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Here
we
have
the
citizen
review
board,
I
don't
know
who
will
be
presenting.
C
City
attorney,
yes,
ma'am
before
you
begin.
How
long
do
you
think
for
your
presentation.
C
We
can
finish
our
presentation
in
about
15
minutes.
Okay,
my
my
thoughts
are
that
you
do.
B
We
come
back
depending
on
the
time
either
1
or
1
15,
and
we
come
back.
You
know
with
clear.
B
Heads
and
we
continue
the
discussion
there
and
move
on-
is
there
any
objection
from
counsel.
B
D
But
just
the
sooner
the
better
I've
got
some
issues
coming
up
around
three.
I
don't.
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C
C
E
E
Discussion
we've
had
on
this,
and
it
started
with
us
having
a
discussion
about
changing
it.
E
E
E
And
we
have
been
having
with
the
public
and
in
the
last
round.
I
think
I
was
the
one
that
delayed.
E
The
last
discussion,
but
aclu
people
in
the
community
and
the
pba
were
both
unhappy.
But
now.
E
E
Make
to
it,
but
but
the
purpose
of
delaying
it
and
having
these
conversations
is
so
that
we
could.
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C
Okay,
as
you
can
see
the
last
time
that
this
agenda
item,
the
crb
revisions
was
discussed.
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C
The
comments
from
the
pba,
the
aclu
councilman
ding
felder
all
be
considered
and
for
a
new
draft.
C
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C
To
your
point,
councilman
carlson,
we
have
been
discussing
the
substance
of
these
changes.
C
And
with
the
aclu
and
with
the
pba
and
that
we
all
had
with
each
other
and
and
in
my
view,.
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C
And
actually
one
that
was
suggested
by
the
mayor
and
that's
a
complaint
tracking
process.
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C
F
F
Ordinance
right
now
the
citizens
review
board
looks
at
quote:
please
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
Before
you
today,
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
clearly
see
is
before
what
we
currently
have.
F
F
But
I
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
changes
and
some
of
the
ones
that
ms
grimes
just
mentioned.
F
Number
one:
the
the
proposed
ordinance
expands
exponentially
the
type
of
cases
that
the
crb.
F
F
F
Discrimination
falsifying
time,
welfare
fraud
or
even
stealing
evidence
from
the
property
room.
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F
F
And
also
creating
a
crb
website
simply
so
that
there
is
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
know.
F
About
the
car
be
have
information
in
in
a
way
that
basically
brings
the
crb
to
the
forefront.
F
To
be
any
change
to
the
use
of
force
policies
within
the
city
of
tampa
by
the
police
department.
F
An
explanation
to
the
crb,
which
means
an
explanation
to
the
public
about
why
something.
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F
Important
for
the
crb
to
focus
on
we've
also
built
more
community
engagement
into
the
current.
F
F
Attention
and
their
business
to
make
sure
they
are
carrying
out
the
public's
mission
we've
built.
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F
The
tpd
legal
advisor
and
that
would
be
a
neutral
assistant
city
attorney,
who
is.
F
And
so
that
that
that
person
will
have
some
semblance
of
neutrality.
But
on
top
of
that.
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F
What
kind
of
recommendations
have
been
made?
What
kind
of
changes
have
been
implemented
based.
F
Board's
intended
purpose
is
ultimately
I'm
glad
that
councilman
carlson
spoke
up,
because
I
kept.
F
Produced
a
product
that
we
believe
is
balanced
all
of
those
interests
and
those
are
the.
F
Highlights
of
the
additional
changes
that
we
are
proposing
to
the
current
crb
ordinance.
B
C
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
where
we
are
now,
is
I'm
sorry,
one
more
slide
past
that
one.
B
Okay,
where
we
are
now
is
how
do
we
move
forward
from
here?
Well,
there's
some
next
steps
that
I.
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C
Hiring
process
the
tpd's
discipline
process
and
any
new
standard
operating
procedures.
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C
C
C
Is
is
creating
the
crv
website
to
make
the
crb
more
transparent,
more
more
information
about
the.
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C
The
crb,
because
of
that
there's,
a
lot
of
training
that
is,
is
going
to
be
required.
C
When
you
have
these
late
night
meetings,
it's
very
difficult.
You
know
to
to
give
each
matter.
C
The
attention
that
it
deserves,
so
I
think
it's
important
for
council
in
in
considering
these.
C
Necessary
changes,
if
appropriate.
So
I'd
just
like
to
close
by
saying
that
at
this
stage,
given.
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The
the
breadth
of
the
changes
and
and
the
extent
of
the
training
that's
going
to
be
required.
C
And
and
that
it
be
scheduled
for
first
reading
and
discussing
it
with
mr
shelby,
and
I.
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A
B
B
All
right
we'll
go
back
to
the
discussion
on
the
crb.
The
presentation
was
completed
by
our.
B
Legal
department,
council
members-
I
know
you
had
questions,
wasn't
it
carlson
carlson.
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And
when
I
look
at
all
those
things
I
I
look
at
my
council
members.
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I
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I
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If
I
may
councilman,
I
remember
that.
Well,
that's
one
in
temple
terrace,
and
I
remember
that
well.
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You
know
you
said
it,
you
said
it
all,
and
you
said
it
very.
I
don't
know
you,
you
said
it.
B
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D
Because
it
was
the
first
time
that
I
was
ever
yelled
at
in
public
and
to
code
elvis
presley.
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D
Cop,
you
give
me
a
gun,
I'll
probably
shoot
my
foot
off,
but
but
you
know
I
I
think
that's
certainly.
D
The
kind
of
change
that
we
need
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
things
that
we've
done
here
in
the.
D
City
of
tampa
in
in
some
a
lot
of
it
by
the
cash
administration,
some
of
it
through
working.
D
Taking
a
look
at
as
I'll
talk
about
this
crb
ordinance
put
forth
by
the
mayor.
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D
D
D
With
regards
to
committing
up
to
a
million
dollars
again
a
lot
of
money
that
we
all
support
in.
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D
I
I've
always
said
from
the
very
beginning.
You
know,
there's
an
old
saying
that
I
believe
in.
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D
Within
our
growing
city,
with
the
the
the
service
that
our
residents
and
our
constituents.
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D
Know
like
many
of
y'all
in
the
last
year,
we've
had
a
lot
of
talks.
I
I've
talked
to
activists,
I've.
D
Met,
I
remember
going
with
the
mayor
to
to
a
couple
of
meetings
and
talking
with
activists
etc.
D
I
went
to
the
crb
about
maybe
eight
or
nine
months
ago
or
so
talk
to
folks,
there
etc.
I've.
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D
Especially
for
folks
who,
who
have
potentially
violent
violence,
occurs
in
their
job.
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D
D
A
little
bit
to
this
ordinance
right
that
will
go
a
really
long
way
in
terms
of
making
it
better.
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D
D
The
naacp
position
we
could
just
throwing
that
out
there
have
that
confirmed
by
tampa
city.
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D
D
Agenda
that
really
really
helps
me
the
moment,
because
there
has
been
a
moment.
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J
Very
very
well
first,
I
I
just
want
to
say
about
this
ordinance
that
I
have
heard
from
the
aclu.
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J
J
B
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Anybody
else,
councilman
carlson
yeah,
just
to
go
back
to
the
genesis
of.
E
This,
I
think
everybody
knows
in
case
anybody's,
watching
for
the
first
time
2015
the
tampa.
E
That
they
asked
for
was
a
citizen
review
board
the
the
former
city
council.
Some
of
you
are
on
it.
E
E
E
E
Cleaning
up
some
of
the
charter
issues
as
well
on
this,
but
if
we're
just,
if
we're
cleaning.
E
It
up
and
making
it
similar
to
other
charter
review
or
citizen
review
boards.
Several
has.
E
Said
on
the
charter
review
board,
then
then
it
it
that
by
itself
shouldn't
be
controversial.
E
We're
we're
just
trying
to
clean
up
and
and
make
it
more
effective
the.
So
I
want
to
thank.
E
That
that
the
mayor
presented
her
first
version
several
months
ago,
I
had
already
set
up
a
meeting.
E
E
E
E
Said
that
there
were
perceived
or
civil
rights
violations
and
anybody
who
wants
to
freshen.
E
E
E
E
Reason
why
it
was
set
up
the
this
way.
Last
time
is
from
the
last
mayor's
executive
order,
because.
E
Killing
the
tampa
bay
brand
hurting
our
our
alliances
in
lots
of
different
places,
but
this.
E
Is
is,
is
a
was
a
huge
civil
rights
violation.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
if
we
get
a
bad
mayor.
E
Appoint
one
candidate
and
then
the
mayor
would-
and
this
is
not
about
this
mayor-
just
making.
E
E
E
Mayor
also
offered
a
seat
to
the
aclu
and
they
declined
because
it's
against
their
bylaws.
But.
E
Anyway,
I
think
we're
close
to
a
good
compromise
at
this
point.
There
are
some
things:
the
community.
E
E
E
B
B
G
I
can
hear
each
other,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
comments
I've
heard
in
the
past,
but.
G
They
had
those
opportunities
that
they
all
had
different
personalities.
G
G
G
Process
of
acceptance
much
viable
for
all,
is
it
amending
the
province
original
one?
Yes,.
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G
G
G
G
I
support
what
the
mayor's
put
on
I
out
of
the
11,
I'm
not
certain
how
the.
G
And
I
I
think
it's
good
for
society.
I
think
it's
good
for
the
citizens.
G
G
G
B
I
Thing
out
my
last
comments:
whatever
we
decide
today
to
do,
there
was
one
portion
when
I.
I
I
Because
I'd
like
the
this
council
to
direct
our
city
council
turn
to
draft
any
suggested
revisions.
I
I
I
B
All
right:
well,
I
think
everything
has
been
said
I'll
I'll
go
to
you.
Councilman
dingfeld.
B
B
Told
us
in
such
detail
your
story
growing
up
your
story
as
to
how
and
what
inspired
you
to.
B
Councilman
miranda,
I
was
here
in
2015.,
I
got
elected
and
I
got
sworn
in
in
april.
B
Makes
everybody
happy,
but
you
know,
having
been
part
of
this
discussion
for
almost
six
years
now.
B
B
B
K
Thank
you
to
all
my
fellow
council
members
for
your
eloquence,
especially
councilman
goods,.
K
Appreciate
your
guidance,
I
also
appreciate
our
city
attorney,
gina,
grimes
and
and.
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K
K
Of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
earlier,
these
these
tweaks
and
these
questions
are
not.
K
Anyway,
my
first
question
ms
grimes
is
in
in
in
paragraph
c1
and
g1
when
I'm
reading
them.
K
K
C
That
was
an
issue
that
was
raised
by
the
aclu
in
their
letter
and
it's
it's.
It's
not
accurate.
C
C
C
C
Their
ability
to
review
various
different
matters-
okay
and
I
I
had
a
feeling
you
were
going.
K
Of
what
the,
what
the
final
punishment
is
for
that
particular
officer.
K
K
C
K
Doesn't
agree
with
the
the
chief's
decision
to
you
know
to
not
punish
that
officer
at
all.
I
would.
K
C
But
you
know
that
they
will
have
a
complaint
tracking
system,
so
they'll
get
to
see
each
and.
K
K
Is
is,
is
this
issue
on
an
e1f
which
has
to
do
with
qualifications
of
board
members.
K
K
K
You
know:
does
that
potentially
disqualify
them?
I
think
I'd
like
to
know
the
answer
to
that.
K
C
Councilman
calendar,
the
intent
for
e1f
was
that
stem
from
conversations
with
the
aclu.
F
The
original
version,
I
believe,
of
this
ordinance
or
the
draft
the
first
draft.
F
Ordinance
was
that
no
one
who
had
been
arrested
was
going
to
serve
on
the
board
at
all
and
the.
F
Aclu
was
arguing
the
point
about
different
kind
of
crimes,
etc
that
a
person
may
be
convicted.
F
Misdemeanor
and
we
made
it
specific
to
try
and
capture
those
people
that
the
aclu
was
concerned.
F
K
K
F
F
Same
thing
as
the
one
beloit,
which
is
what
kind
of
neutrality
do
you
have
if
you
have
sued
the.
F
F
Be
some
time
frame
that
has
passed
between
when
the
event
happened
and
your
service
that.
F
K
K
C
C
Other
law
enforcement
agency-
they
also
are
not
going
to
be
permitted
to
be
on
the
crb.
K
Right,
mr
chairman,
let
me
get
to
the
to
the
meat
of
these
in
regard
to
the
selection
of
members.
K
I
can't
remember,
I
think
that
was
going
to
be
making
motions
now
or
just
discussion.
K
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
on
some
notions.
Well,
we
had
councilman
vieira
had
perhaps
mentioned.
K
Right,
councilman
vieira,
in
regard
to
the
independent
council,
I
agree
with
you
completely.
K
In
city
government-
and
I
don't
mean
to
speak
for
you,
ms
grimes,
but
that's
what
I
think
I've.
K
K
And
mr
ding
filler
and
reference
reference
to
that.
You
have
two
good
points
there,
but
I.
I
K
On
on
what
what
her
preference
is
on
that,
I
do
want
to
give
deference
to
to
her
as
related
to.
K
The
role
of
the
city
attorney
within
the
charter.
I
think
it's
up
for
argument,
but
you
know
I'm.
K
B
Yes,
go
ahead.
I
just
want
to
point
out
one
thing:
there
is
a
difference
between
independent
council.
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C
C
C
C
Don't
expose
the
city
to
liability
employing
outside
counsel
is
part
of
the
legal
affairs
of.
C
The
of
the
city,
I
I
believe
that
the
issue
of
independent
counsel
or
outside
counsel.
C
C
C
C
Addresses
the
concern
of
wanting
some
independent
individual
attorney
to
advise
the
board,
not
not.
K
K
K
K
K
The
old
ordnance,
completely
in
regards
to
the
number
of
folks
that
that
are
on
the.
K
That
serve
on
this.
I
agree
with
mr
carlson
that
that
each
council
member
should
appoint.
K
K
K
K
B
D
So
to
speak,
you
know,
council
is
always
independent.
I
or
should
be
and
and
and
mind.
D
D
Carrier,
it
should
never
be
it's
to
their
insured,
my
client,
so
that's
an
issue
of
fidelity
that.
D
D
D
D
D
D
This
can
be
merely
done
through
a
tweak
and
the
motion.
What
I'm
looking
at
is
because
I
understand.
D
There's
expenses
involved
with
this,
etc
merely
contracted
out
no
more
to
be
to
be
no
more
than
10.
D
Hours
a
month
save
with
the
consent
of
the
city
attorney's
office
at
150
an
hour.
That's
what
I'm.
D
Seeking
I,
I
don't
believe
that
there's
the
the
meetings
go
significantly
more
than
that.
Maybe.
D
D
Making
that
motion.
Secondly,
with
regards
I
need
to
address,
I
need
to
address
these
changes.
C
C
Order
to
train
the
board
members
as
to
their
new
duties
and
responsibilities.
Far
more
than.
C
C
We
go
back
to
whether
or
not
that
you
can
direct
the
affairs
of
the
legal
department.
C
These
changes,
so
I
just
need
to
go
on
record
as
saying
that
the
other
issues
that
you.
C
Brought
up
about
the
appointments
I
can
address
at
the
end
of
everybody's
comments,.
D
Man,
mr
chair,
thank
you
and
obviously
miss
grime's
points
are,
are
well
taken
and
again.
D
I
want
to
make
sure
with
regards
to
the
hour
over
and
certain
amount
would
be
at
miss.
D
D
Service
board
attorney
has
paid,
for
example,
but
but
there
are,
if
you
go
to
some
of
these.
D
Councilman
carlson
wishes
to
make
a
motion
in
that
regard.
My
position
in
that
regard,
you
know.
D
D
D
A
very
tiny
change,
but
that
I
think,
would
be
very
significant.
Thank
you.
C
C
D
Let
me
ask
our
our
own
independent,
our
own
counsel,
mr
shelby,
may
I
do
that
as
a
request
or
as
a.
H
H
And
obviously
I
I
don't
know
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not
to
for
clarification.
H
D
D
That
we
are
responsible
in
that
regard
again,
my
rationale
being
that
a
lot
of
boards
here
in
the.
D
City
of
tampa,
whether
by
statute
or
or
via
other
means,
have
their
own
outside
counsel,
very
small.
D
C
C
D
I
may
have
misspoken
by
the
by
the
word
many
but
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
does
our
civil.
D
A
side
my
my
apparently
incorrect
assumption
is
to
the
rationale
for
the
civil
service
board.
D
D
C
C
C
New
to
the
city
and
would
be
able
to
to
provide
legal
advice
to
the
crv.
I
recall
I
was
just
asking.
I
I
like
the
way
mr
shelby
does
business
regardless.
If,
if
whatever
conflicts
he
may
have
with
the.
I
I
Was
talking
about
so
are
you,
mr
chairman?
Thank
you
just
real
quick,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
but.
H
To
follow
up
councilman
goods,
because
you
brought
an
interesting
point:
that
provision
for
a
city.
H
And
what
that
does
is
that
sets
forth
the
the
duties
and
responsibilities
also.
H
Who,
in
fact,
the
city
council
attorney
answers
to
and
is
hired
and
fired
by?
So
that's
all
set.
H
H
Grimes
stated,
I
am
an
employee
of
the
city,
but
my
duties
and
responsibilities
are
set
forth.
H
H
B
He
would
be
dedicated
to
strictly
the
the
citizens
review
board.
I'm
sorry,
civilian
review.
B
30
years
has
no
ties
to
the
police
department
and
if
I
remember,
I
wasn't
here
from
what
I
was.
B
B
B
D
Councilman
and
if
I
may,
you
know
the
the
motion
merely
makes
the
request.
D
And
what
not,
where
we
can
have
a
more
robust
discussion
on
some
of
the
implications
of
this?
I.
D
Guess
if
you
will,
but
my
motion
still
stands
mr
shelby
for
a
second
to
the
motion,
I'm
sorry.
B
Not
yet
councilman
vieira
has
made
a
motion,
is
there
a
second?
Can
you
restate
the
motions,
jim
no.
I
Sure
my
motion
is
to
have
strike
or
to
have
tampa
city
council
request
that
the
that
the.
B
K
K
K
We
disagree
in
terms
of
how
we
get
there,
but
I
think
we
let
the
community
decide.
K
K
B
You're,
muted,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
if
I
remember
what
the
charter
says
specifically.
G
G
G
G
G
G
I
I
I
Get
the
driver,
the
chauffeur
move
and
then,
if
you
have
a
subject
ordinance
that
you
want
to
put.
I
D
D
Discussion
on
this
narrowly
tailored
issue
as
to
the
charter
relevancy,
with
with
the
with.
D
B
Roll
call
vote
and
discussion
any
discussion,
councilman
vera-
just
really
fast.
On
this,
I
do.
D
That
a
a
split
of
five
to
four
six
to
five,
whatever
it
may
be,
would
be
much
better
than.
D
This,
I
think
that
a
seven
to
one
split
goes
from
one
extreme
to
the
other
again
tampa
city.
D
D
Councilman
carl
sorry,
councilman
miranda,
councilman.
G
G
G
So
I
think,
that's
equity.
I
don't
believe
that
there's
no
way
a
slap
at
this
administration.
G
G
G
G
K
The
maker
of
the
motion,
mr
carlson,
to
clarify
the
mayor
would
the
one
of
the
mayor's
four
votes.
K
Language
to
make
sure
that
that
no
no
existing
person
got
bumped
off
councilman
carlson
in
other.
K
E
E
E
Just
added
to
be
appointed
upon
the
expiration
of
the
terms
of
the
current.
B
B
B
B
B
You
know,
I
think
this
is
the
right
way
to
to
go,
so
I'm
going
to
definitely
support
this.
B
Vieira
and
if
I
may,
I
I
want
to
see
more
specifics
on
this
again,
I've
been.
D
H
I'm
sorry
interrupt
councilman
and
if
you'd
like
to
go
first,
I
just
had
a
question
for
mr.
H
Specific
to
the
motion,
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
if
that's
acceptable
to
the
maker.
H
What
councils
direct
yeah-
and
I
just
want
to
see
that?
That's
all
that's
all
I
do
out
of
out.
D
I
I
E
Several
of
you
talked
about
the
the
quality
of
the
people
that
are
on
the
board
now
and
I've.
E
K
I've
got
a
couple
of
them
number
one.
Unless
councilman
goods
wants
to
make
it.
K
K
C
C
C
C
C
C
That
the
creation
of
the
crv
in
in
the
form
that
it's
now
drafted
and
with
these
additional.
C
Changes
is
still
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
mayor.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
miss
jim.
I
E
I
I
I
I
Know
I
have
two
other
members
that
sit
down,
so
we
with
mr
chelby.
You
know
I'm
sure
after
this
all.
I
Have
to
be
changed
that
I'm
just
saying
that's
gonna
have
to
be
changed.
Councilman
felder,
mr
b.
C
C
I
H
Councilman
goodes
was
just
to,
and
I
believe
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this.
H
With
the
city
attorney
to
be
able
to
flesh
out,
perhaps
the
whereas
clauses
and
also.
H
H
H
H
For
first
reading,
I
certainly
will
work
closely
and
and
give
her
a
draft
and
let
her
review
that.
K
K
K
K
K
B
E
Charter
review
commission
several
of
us
were
on
it
things
popped
up
that
I
think
several
of
us.
E
Don't
remember
happen
and
I
can
tell
you
that
in
the
in
those
meetings.
E
E
Much
appreciate
having
ms
grimes
and
I've
known
her
for
a
long
time
and
I
trust
her.
I
always
try.
E
Ms
grimes,
her
team
chief
bennett,
who
we
haven't
mentioned
yet,
and
the
mayor
herself
have
all.
E
Even
though
we're
tr
tweaking
this,
some
and
and
even
changing
some
of
the
perceived
powers.
E
Either
accept
it
or
work
with
us,
and
so
I
would
like
to
put
these
proposals
forward
in
good.
E
Faith
and
and
hope
to
hear
good
news
whenever
it
comes
back
and
just
you
know
thanks.
A
B
K
K
Off
the
panel
that
that
that's,
why
the
ordinance
currently
reads
so,
I
would
just
say.
K
I
would
direct
the
legal
department
clarify
that
provision,
so
a
mere
misdemeanor
arrest.
B
And
you
shouldn't,
you:
don't
have
to
throw
the
book
at
him
just
because
of
that
we're
humans.
B
Roll
call
vote
councilman
goodes.
Let
me
make
sure
I
have
it
correct.
I
Time
are
we
saying
that
person's
dismissed
until
their
case
is
clear?
I
have
so
many.
I
The
board,
if
you,
if
you're,
arrested
and
pending
some
charges,
how
long
are
you
going
to
wait.
I
K
K
K
I
I
I
F
Tampa
police
department,
and
so
that
is
why
we
limited
it
only
to
arrests,
regardless
of.
F
Because
it
does,
as
councilman
says,
there
will
be
the
perception
that
the
person
cannot
be.
F
K
Vote
on
this,
if
I
got
a
second
wait,
wait
we
have
vieira,
you
had
your
hand
up
now.
Everybody
can.
B
J
J
J
J
G
G
G
G
B
A
B
B
Sure
that
the
directing
the
legal
department
to
to
fix-
I
don't
have
the
provision.
K
Fix
fix
the
qualification
provision
which
would
allow
for
somebody
to
continue
to
serve.
D
D
D
Yes,
mr
show,
and
and
and
if
I'm
incorrect
I'd
ask
that
ms
richardson
confirms
that
I
believe.
H
I
I
K
K
Any
any
currently
serving
board
member
would
be
to
temporarily
take
a
leave
during
the
pendency.
E
B
K
Which
is
I'd
like
to
direct
legal
to
to
draft
charter
language?
And
maybe
they
don't
even
have.
K
K
Charter
language
related
to
independent
council
that
that
the
crb
may,
at
its
discretion,.
K
K
K
K
F
Councilman
disappointed
clarification.
I
understand
that
people
have
been
talking
about.
F
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
J
I
just
wanted
to
separate
the
conversation
between
legal
and
between
council
and
it's
been
done.
J
K
My
first
motion
would
be
that
the
question
of
independent
counsel
go
on
the
ballot
we'd.
K
Ask
legal
legal
staff
to
bring
that
back
to
us
in
our
first
meeting
in
april
with
language
to
go.
K
K
Outside
counsel,
if
that's
the
board's
desire,
second,
we
have
a
second
from
councilman
carlson.
B
J
J
H
H
H
It
came
to
the
matter
of
something
that
involved
something
related
to
the
city
charter.
H
H
Language,
but
I
think
maybe
ms
grimes
would
like
to
address
her
position
about
it,
because.
H
D
I
don't
have
anyone
able
to
pick
up
my
son
and
just
because
I
want
to
vote
on
everything,
but.
D
Just
okay,
anybody
else,
I
think
I
think
I
would
like
to
offer.
I
I
appreciate
your
remarks.
C
B
E
E
B
K
Independent
counsel-
and
we
would
put
that
on
as
a
charter
charter
question
for
the
citizens.
B
K
The
last
notion
very
similarly
would
be
to
direct
the
legal
department,
mrs
crimes,
to.
K
K
On
the
subpoena
power,
but
but
you
know
what
I'm
not
I'm
going
to
pull
back
on,
that
express.
K
K
K
K
C
C
K
B
C
C
Exists
with
all
these
changes
that
you've
provided
today,
it's
going
to
take
some
time.
B
We
have
a
second
from
councilman
goodes,
any
discussion.
D
B
I
The
council's
legal
is
getting
real
overloaded
and
you
know
it
could
be
frustrating.
I
know
they.
I
Before
the
next
election
or
whatever,
then
we
can
bring
that
down
to
maybe.
E
Yeah
with
those
express
limitations,
I
would
I
would
vote
in
favor
of
it
after
we
get
this.
E
Version
approved,
and
so
if
if
if
if
it
comes
to
vote
now
I'll
vote
against
it,
but
if
it
comes
back.
E
K
B
Mr
chair,
I
need
to
run.
If
I
may,
I
apologize
to
everybody.
This
is
only
for
the
month
of
february.
D
H
The
motion
is
withdrawn.
We
need
to
make
a
motion
on
the
overall
councilman
carlson.
B
This
draft
here
I
I
would
like
to
move
that
that
that
legal
work
with.
E
City
council
attorney
to
come
up
with
a
draft
a
revised
draft
ordinance
for
first
reading.