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D
Thank
you
for
moving
up
the
administrator
update,
really
on
behalf
of
the
administration.
I
just
wanted
to
come
in
and
welcome
our
new
council
member
council
member,
her
attack
to
the
family
of
the
city
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
you.
So
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
point
of
privilege
on
that
update,
since
we
didn't
have
anything
else
on
the
agenda
and
congratulate
you
on
your
position
and
looking
forward
to
serving
with
you.
So
that's
all
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
All
right,
we'll
go
to
item
number
63..
We
do
have
to
swear
everybody
in
correct
on
this
one
or
no.
Yes,.
E
B
E
B
Oh
motion
to
open
for
motion
from
councilman
sierra:
do
we
have
a
second
okay?
Second
from
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor
all
right,
I
all
right.
The
two
cases
are
open.
Go
ahead.
E
B
E
The
address
of
2707
west
fig
street
council
at
this
time
might
ask
that
you
receive
or
file
any
ex
parte
written
communications
pursuant
to
florida
statutes,
286.0115
and
if
you
had
any
ex
parte
communications
verbally
that
you
please
disclose
them
at
the
front.
At
the
start
of
the
hearing.
That
being
said
in
motion,
and
second,
please
emotionally
stephen
file
any
ex
parte
written
ex
parte
communications
relative
to
these
hearings.
All.
G
I've
previously
provided
mr
shelby
a
copy
that
you
guys
were
also
provided
were
copies
of
the
relevant
code,
sections
sample
motions
and
the
rules
of
procedure
for
this
particular
item.
The
standard
of
review
for
the
petition
for
review
is
a
de
novo
standard
overview.
According
to
code,
section
27-61
sub-section
j-2
that
subs.
That
code
section
means
that
this
city
council
can
accept
new
evidence,
take
public
testimony
and
make
your
own
decision
on
whether
or
not
this
application
meets
the
criteria
established
in
code.
G
Those
actions
are
to
affirm
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
thereby
deny
the
request
for
the
design
exception
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
thereby
grant
the
design
exception
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
mikulski,
who
will
also
need
to
be
sworn
in
if
he
hasn't
already
been
sworn
staff.
Member.
H
Okay,
can
everyone
see
the
powerpoint.
H
Okay,
just
a
moment,
let
me
now,
can
you
see
it
full
screen.
H
H
I
won't
read
through
all
of
these,
but
I
will
go
to
the
findings.
We
found
it
inconsistent
relevant
code
section
if
an
existing
law
is
adjacent
to
an
open
and
used
public
alley,
vehicle
access
to
the
site
shall
be
provided
from
the
alley
as
a
primary
vehicular
access
point
provided,
meets
the
minimum
standards
referenced
in
27
to
83.12.
H
And
the
following
slide
is
the
criteria
of
why
we
denied
the
application.
The
first
is
that
the
exception
either
interferes
with
the
rights
of
others
is
providing
the
shepherds
and
jurors
to
the
public,
health,
safety
and
general
welfare,
and
my
comments
are
in
italics,
so
so
a
common
issue.
I
know
you
guys
have
probably
been
made
aware
of
recently
the
the
proliferation
of
new
driveways
in
in
west
tampa.
H
It's
the
it's,
not
a
trend,
that's
consistent
with
the
prevailing
historic
development
pattern,
and
it's
it's.
It's
not
ideal
for
pedestrian
safety
as
it
increases
the
number
and
size
of
conflict
points
on
sidewalks,
and
it
also
interferes
with
on-street
parking
opportunities,
as
you
have
the
driveways,
especially
a
double
car,
with
driveways
eating
up
a
lot
of
that
curb
space.
It
eliminates
the
the
opportunity
for
on-street
parking.
H
Second
item:
the
exception
is
the
minimum
possible,
the
alley
is
paved
and
usable
and
there
was
nothing
unique
about
it.
That
would
allow
us
to
approve
the
design
exception.
Number
three
is
the
approval:
exception
of
standards
of
approval
is
necessary
to
ensure
the
adjustment
is
not
does
not
constitute
a
grant
of
special
privileges.
H
So
19
of
43
building
permits
that
have
been
applied
for
since
the
west
temple
code.
This,
since
this
alleyway
code
was
changed,
have
a
have
complied
with
the
ali
requirement
and
I'll
go
into
that
on
the
next
slide.
H
Some
some
there
are
some
some
building
permits
that
we
did
approve
the
to
not
use
the
alley,
because
those
are
determined
to
be
non-usable.
City
council
has
overturned
a
couple
one
of
these
in
the
past,
and
some
of
these
were
also
existing.
Permit
applications
that
were
in
before
the
code
was
changed,
so
we
we
had
to
follow
through
with
the
the
old
design
and
final
item.
The
exception
is
consistent
with
any
applicable
specific
plans.
H
Again,
the
purpose
of
the
overlay
is
to
ensure
that
all
types
of
new
developments
and
major
renovations
are
compatible
with
the
building
structural
orientation,
design
elements,
lot.
Dimensional
requirements
and
other
spatial
relationships
within
the
west
tampa
area,
so
prominent
forward
facing
grudges
are
not
consistent
with
the
historic
pattern
of
west
tampa,
which
was
the
impetus
of
the
code
change
to
begin
with.
Here's
the
the
permits
that
were
applied
for
in
west
tampa
from
about
the
time.
The
code
was
changed
for
the
alleyway
code
requirement.
H
This
was
about
february
february
of
2021,
so
these
are
the
permits
from
2021
february
2021
to
december
2021..
So
there
have
been
out
of
the
43.
There
have
been
19
that
have
met
the
alleyway
requirements
and
now
we'll
go
to
some
photos
of
the
site.
Here's
the
subject
site
2707
west
fig
the
alley
way's
in
the
rear
behind
that
wooden
fence.
H
H
So
here's
the
entrance
of
the
alley
on
the
west
and
this
in
the
photo
on
the
right
I
apologize.
I
apologize.
The
photo
on
the
left
is
the
entrance
of
the
alley
photo
on
the
right
is
about
halfway
down
and
then
the
photo
on
the
right
of
this
screen
is
the
eastern
edge
of
the
alley.
Looking
back
to
the
west
and
in
the
photo
on
the
left.
H
This
is
a
a
newer
home
that
was
approved,
and
you
can
see
that
kind
of
that
notch
cut
out
in
the
fence
on
the
left
is
where
this
they
are
providing
their
required
visitor
spot.
So
this
was
the
this
was
an
ex
a
new
building
and
the
in
order
to
meet
the
visitor
spot
requirement.
H
They
proposed
using
the
alley
for
vehicle
access
and
I'll
show
you
that
here
that
that's
2704
west
gray,
which
is
in
the
yellow
just
to
the
right
of
the
subject,
property
and
here's
the
approved
building
plan
and
you
can
see
their
guest
guest
parking-
is
being
met
down
the
alley.
This
was
again.
This
was
before
they
were
required
to
use
the
alley
for
vehicle
access.
H
However,
they
so
they
do
have
bigger
driveways
up
front,
but
their
required
spot.
They.
They
determined
that
in
this
case,
that
the
alley
met
there,
you
know
that
they
were
able
to
use
it
to
meet
their
and
to
meet
their
vehicle
spot
guest
required
spot.
And
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Are
there
any
questions?
Thank.
B
I
Hello
good
afternoon,
I
bought
this
house
in
2017..
Please.
I
I
This
new
rule
change
happened
in
february
2021,
with
zero
notice
to
the
community.
I
got
no
letter
that
this
was
even
happening,
but
for
me
to
do
this
design
exemption,
I
have
to
go
to
the
properties
appraisals
office,
send
out
all
these
certified
letters
put
up
a
sign,
but
I
got
no
notice
that
this
was
happening.
I
had
the
house
torn
down,
not
knowing
about
this
rule
change.
So
now
I
got
an
empty
lot
with
no
house
on
it,
and
you
know
this.
This
lot
is
only
97
feet.
I
I
Driveway
this
is
the
new
house
right
next
to
my
lot
garage
and
driveway
driveway
driveway
new
house
is
on
gray
garage
and
driveway
garage
and
driveway
garage
and
driveway
garage
and
driveway,
and
then
these
are
four
town
homes
that
were
built
on
gray,
garage
and
driveway.
I
would
be
the
only
house
that
has
to
drive
down
and
maintain
the
whole
alley.
I
I
I
I
I
I've
got
to
worry
about
that
now
when
I'm
gone
for
24
to
48
hours,
we're
you
know
this
is
supposed
to
help
with
parking
on
the
street,
giving
me
only
two
spots:
it's
a
four
to
five
bedroom
house
where,
when
my
daughter
gets
older
where's
her
car
gonna
go
with
only
two
spots.
Now
she's
gonna
be
parking
on
the
street
when
I
have
family
over
my
wife's
mama's
about
to
retire
lives
in
st
louis
and
going
to
start
spending
months
down
here
at
a
time
because
we
just
had
a
baby.
I
Where
is
she
going
to
park
she's
now
going
to
have
to
park
on
the
street
my
truck's
going
to
be
on
the
street?
This
is
going
to
add
way
more
clutter
on
the
street
than
if
you
just
gave
me
a
driveway
there's.
I
think
only
one
house
has
a
piece
of
sidewalk
there's
no
sidewalk,
so
there
would
be
no
sidewalk
unblocking.
I
can
fit
four
cars
and
still
put
a
sidewalk
and
it
won't
be
blocked.
I
I
mean
it's
just
a
it's
a
huge
safety
concern,
knowing
that
my
wife
would
have
to
you
know,
get
her
groceries
out
in
this
alley.
Walk
to
the
front
of
the
house,
I
mean
I
I'm
a
firefighter
station
three
at
kennedy
and
willow.
I've
seen
some
crazy
things
happen
in
these
neighborhoods
and
I
don't
want
my
wife
to
have
to
drive
down
and
use
the
alley.
I
mean
it's
just.
I
just
think
that
that
having
two
means
of
egress
is
just
asinine
and
then
there's
people
who
claim
that
fire
and
police
use
these
alleys.
I
B
Have
any
questions
for
the
gentleman
hearing?
None.
We
have
one
registered
person
for
public
comment.
If
sandy
sanchez,
I
believe
yes
sandy
sanchez
is-
is
on
please
unmute
yourself
and
please
activate
your
camera.
So
we
can
see
your
face.
B
Okay,
let's
see
if
we
change
the
screens
here
and
yes
ma'am.
J
B
J
A
J
My
name
is
sandy
sanchez.
I
live
at
2705
big
street
right
next
door
to
the
applicant,
but
before
I
begin
chairman
maniscalco
and
council
members,
I
was
not
scheduled
to
speak
on
this
item
until
the
last
minute,
mr
carlos
ramirez
who's
been
working
with
the
city
to
rework
some
of
the
semantics
and
tweaks
of
the
overlay
was
called
away
on
a
personal
emergency,
so
I
would
request
an
additional
minute
if,
if
I
need
it,
please.
J
J
J
First,
let
me
explain
that
in
on
april,
2021
ice
personally
spoke
to
the
applicant
and
explained
the
changes
in
the
west
tampa
overlay.
I
knew
he
was
getting
ready
to
tear
down
this
house,
so
I
wanted
to
make
him
aware
of
the
of
the
guidelines
before
he
submitted
his
plans.
So
let
me
make
that
very
clear.
The
original
intent
of
the
changes
to
the
west
tampa
overlay
were
to
make
our
streets
safer
for
all
users,
especially
our
vulnerable
population
of
kids,
elderly,
handicapped,
etc.
J
Safety
between
the
pedestrians
and
the
vehicles
parked
cars
parked
on
the
street,
forced
pedestrians,
children,
wheelchair
users
in
the
street,
where
they
could
be
hit
by
a
drive
car
car
driving
by
the
majority
of
the
neighborhoods
on
the
west.
Champ
overlay
have
no
sidewalks
the
officers
of
the
changes.
J
I
live
next
door
to
the
applicant.
We
have
an
advocate
that
is
wide
enough,
clear
enough,
already
improved
and
is
kept
clean
by
myself.
I
paid
to
have
that
alley
cleaned
about
every
six
weeks.
The
location
is
a
prime
example
of
where
we
should
have
ali's
access
per
mr
mccluskey
of
urban
planning's
report.
J
The
existing
alleyway
is
paved
and
usable,
and
there
is
no
unique
site
constraint
preventing
use
of
the
alley.
Unquote,
there
are
other
new
belts
on
the
block
of
2704
fig
street,
which
is
right
across
the
street
from
us.
There
are
three
town
homes
being
built
across
the
street
before
they
began
to
build.
They
revised
their
plans
to
meet
the
overlay
and
provide
alley
access
for
all
three
townhomes
at
2701
westbig,
which
is
to
the
east
of
us.
J
The
property
directly
to
the
wreaths
has
recently
been
purchased
by
des
moines
homes
and
the
original
home
has
been
demolished
and
the
lots
have
been
split.
They
will
also
be
required
under
the
west
tamper
overlay
to
provide
alley
access
for
parking.
As
again,
this
alley
is
wide
enough
clear
enough
and
already
improved
for
vehicle
use.
As
you
can
see,
the
petitioner
will
not
be
the
only
one
on
the
block
with
alley
access.
J
There
are
six
new
homes
at
different
stages
of
construction
on
this
block,
all
with
easy
access
to
alleys
that
fall
within
the
criteria
of
the
west
tampa
overlay.
Remember
originally
all
of
you
voted
for
the
west
ham
overway.
We
ask
that
you
continue
to
support
the
overlay
and
vote
against
this
design
exception
and,
as
I
quote
again
from
urban
planning,
the
existing
alley
is
paved
usable
and
there
is
no
unique
site
constraint
preventing
the
use
of
the
alley.
Please
vote
to
keep
the
existing
ruling
intact
and
deny
this
exception.
Are
there
any
questions.
B
All
right
do
we
have
anybody
else
in
the
public.
That
was
the
only
registered
public
comment.
Individual
anybody
in
the
public.
B
I
I
I
And
the
letter
sent
in
by
ramirez
I
drove
by
it
today
because
I
saw
that
he
sent
in
opposing
it.
He
has
a
driveway
in
the
front,
doesn't
use
the
alley.
So
these
people
are
arguing
that
everybody
other
people
have
to
use
ali,
but
they
don't
that's
a
big
problem
and
this
was
voted
in
february,
but
no
one
knew
that
this
was.
This
was
going
to
happen.
I
talked
to
some
builders
and
they
said
they
were
blindsided
by
this
I
was
blindsided
by
this
I
tore
my
house
down.
I
could
have.
I
I
On
lincoln
and
lindman
I
mean
I
can't
go
anywhere
else
and
I
it's
not
feasible
to
have
a
garage
on
that
tiny
lot
with
that
on
the
alley
on
a
tiny
little
alley,
I
mean
there's
just
when
I
talk
to
people
they're
like
how
can
they
make
you
use
the
alley
that
is
before
you
could
choose
to
use
the
alley
or
not?
That's
the
perfect
setup.
Why
force
people
to
use
to
have
to
use
an
alley?
I
mean
this
is
financially
killing
me
because
I
ordered
windows
back
in
october.
I
Thinking
that
I
was
going
to
have
this
house
because
they're
six
to
nine
months
out,
I
have
22
000
of
windows
that
just
got
here
now.
Where
do
they
go
because
now
you're
gonna,
they're
gonna,
say
I
can't
use
this
house.
So
I
have
these
windows
that
are
for
a
house.
I
can't
build
so
I
this
has
caused
my
family,
some
serious
heartache-
and
this
is,
you
know,
life-changing
for
me.
I'm
not
some
mass
builder
trying
to
come
in
and
you
know
change
a
rule.
I
was
in
this
house
before
the
rule
change.
I
I
had
a
carport
in
a
driveway.
I
should
be
able
to
continue
to
have
front
access
and
they
say,
keep
cars
off
the
street.
This
is
going
to
put
more
cars
on
the
street
when
you
can
park
two
cars
in
a
garage
I
mean
these
houses
are
four
to
five
bedrooms.
That's
four
to
five
people,
six
people
that
can
drive
a
car
where
do
their
cars
go.
There's
no
driveway!
Only
a
two-car
garage
they're
gonna
be
in
the
street.
Now
our
streets
are
gonna,
be
really
overrun
with
all
the
parking
on
the
streets.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Oh,
you
know
I'll
just
say
real
quick,
because
you
bought
your
house
in
2017
and
it
had
you
set
a
carport
in
a
driveway
and
everything
that
you
argued
regarding.
B
You
know
the
width
of
the
alley.
You
drive
a
truck.
You
know
your
wife,
your
you
know
everything
that
you
said.
I
mean
that's
besides
the
point,
but
I
mean
I
would
be.
I
don't
know
how
other
council
members
feel
and
we'll
go
to
everybody,
but
I'm
in
support
of
overturning
the
denial.
B
I
B
No,
more
importantly,
is
that
you
bought
a
you
bought
the
house
in
2017
before
these
changes
were
implemented
and
that
house
had
a
carport
in
the
driveway.
So
I
mean
I
just
you
know
I
I
understand
you
know
we
change
the
rules
and
whatnot,
but
you
know
we
should
make
an
exception
here,
because
you've
been
invested
five
years
and
you're
waiting
and
you
know
it's,
you
know
I
I
get
it
so
does
do
any
other
council
members
have
any
concerns
or
questions.
B
No,
we
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
the
motion.
Okay,
so
may
I
have
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
some
move.
We
have
motion
councilman,
sitro,
second
councilman
good,
all
in
favor
all.
K
K
In
item
number
63
de1-22-95,
I
moved
to
overturn
the
zoning
administration's
deny
excuse
me
overturn
the
zoning
administration
denial
for
design
exception.
On
this
case,
the
petitioner
has
presented
the
fact
that
most
of
the
housing
on
the
street
have
parking
a
garage
in
the
entrance,
the
front
of
the
properties
and
that
the
irregular
lot
design
is
an
inconvenience
to
the
property
owner
for
the
parking
in
the
rear.
E
For
the
purposes,
if
you
can
just
if
you
can't
state
the
sections
relative
to
this.
K
I'm
sorry
sections
27-60
and
27-241.
B
We
have
a
motion
for
councilman's
teacher.
Do
we
have
a
second
second?
Second
from
councilman
vieira,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
E
G
Good
afternoon
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I'm
here
on
item
number
64
for
a
petition
for
review
that
was
filed
for
de122-50
for
the
property
located
at
2423
west
state
street,
the
petitioner
for
this
case.
G
The
standard
of
review
is
guided
by
city
of
tampa
code,
section
27-61,
sub-section
j-2,
which
states
that
city
council
can
accept
new
evidence.
Take
public
testimony
and
after
hearing
all
the
evidence,
city
council
on
its
own
can
determine
whether
or
not
the
application
meets
the
requirements
of
27-241,
subsection,
c25
and
c7,
and
also
27-60.
G
After
hearing
from
staff,
mr
a.d
mikulski,
regarding
the
decision
of
the
staff
for
this
application
and
the
overview
of
the
application
city,
council
kim
affirmed
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
thereby
deny
the
request
for
the
decide
design
exception
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
and
thereby
grant
the
design
exception
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
mikulski.
B
All
right
just
make
it
bigger
and
we'll
yeah
just
yeah.
H
Okay,
it's
de
2250
2423
west
state
street.
This
is
in
the
west,
tampa
overlay
and
similar
to
the
previous
case.
This
one
is
requesting
ali
or
allow
vehicle
access
to
the
street
in
lieu
of
the
alley
and
there's
an
additional
request
to
have
the
to
waive
the
required
finish
floor.
Elevation
of
24
inches
above
surrounding
grade,
which
is
a
requirement
of
the
west
tampa
overlay.
H
H
And
also
inconsistent
with
the
second
request
of
the
floor
height,
which
is
I'll,
be
that
the
intent
of
requiring
this
a
shred
of
the
code,
the
intent
of
requiring
an
elevated,
finish
floor
for
residential
development,
is
to
encourage
compatible
design
with
the
historic
housing
styles
which
are
characteristics
of
the
west.
Tampa
community.
The
finished
floor
height
of
all
new
single
detached
single
families,
semi-detached
single-family
attached
and
multi-family
residential
structure
shall
be
a
minimum
of
24
inches
above
the
finish
grade.
H
H
And
again,
the
findings.
It's
the
again.
The
pro
efficient
of
new
driveways
and
double
car
driveways
is
detrimental
to
the
pedestrian
safety
and
increases
the
number
of
conflict
points
on
sidewalks
and
to
be
built
sidewalks.
And
while
we
know
that
there
is
a
lack
of
sidewalks
in
throughout
the
city,
especially
west
tampa,
we
expect
that,
with
the
recent
sidewalk
changes
that
we
are
going
to
be
building
a
lot
more
sidewalks
so
and
again,
it's
the
to
also
preserve
the
on-street
opportunity,
opportunities
for
on-street
parking
so
and
point
number
four.
H
The
exception
is
the
minimum
possible.
The
existing
alley
is
paved
and
usable
and
there
are
no
unique
site
contraints
that
prevent
compliance
with
the
code
section
and
there's
also
no
unique
site
topography
issues
preventing
the
required
24-inch
finish
floor.
Elevation
point
number
five
of
the
criteria
again.
This
is
same
as
the
previous
case.
19
of
the
43
building
permits
complied
with
the
new
recruit
requirement
for
the
alley
to
to
require
ali
access.
We
haven't
had
any
anyone
request
to
waive
the
24
inch
finish
floor
elevation.
H
So
this
is
that's,
that's
there's
nothing
to
compare
it
to,
and
the
last
point
is
that
the
exception
is
consistent
with
any
applicable
specific
plans.
L
My
question
and
what
are
you
telling
me
if
I'm
going
on
a
trip,
miss
miss
mascalcon,
miss
pascal
question,
for
you.
G
Kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Yes,
that
is
correct,
abby
philly
came
before
you
and
gave
a
presentation.
I
believe
it
was
a
workshop.
I
don't
recall
the
date,
but
miss
feely
did
come
before
you
to
give
an
update
on
that.
L
H
H
Here's
the
alley
again,
it's
about
a
14
valley,
weight
right
away
is
14
feet.
The
pavement
is
about
nine,
but
varies
this.
The
pavement
is
in
much
better
condition
than
the
previous
alley
that
fence
you
could
see
on
the
right
side
that
the
fence
leaning
into
the
alleyway,
that's
the
behind
the
subject
property.
So
there
that's
going
to
be
being
removed
when
they,
when
they
do
con
when
they
start
construction-
and
that
is
that,
is
it
any
questions
for
staff
any.
B
M
M
B
M
Bryant
donovan,
my
address
is
301
west
platte
street
number
216
tampa
florida
33606,
I
represent
the
applicant
at
the
time
of
this
application.
It
was
maestro
vita
incorporated
it's
now
sandra
santos
she's,
the
record
owner
of
this
parcel.
It's
2423
state
street.
You
can
see
the
design
the
proposed
design-
that's
been.
M
Santos
has
been
eagerly
waiting
for
construction
absent
this
issue
now
previous
prior
to
getting
before
city
council,
the
24
inch
design
exception,
that's
been
essentially
withdrawn
by
the
applicant,
we're
not
pursuing
that.
This
is
clearly
on.
This
is
solely
on
the
alleyway
issue
and
the
reason
for
the
alleyway
issue
that
we
take
particular
issue
with
is
the
the
fact
of
I'm
sorry.
I'm
trying
to
go
to
the
next
thing
is
the
fact
that
this
alley
access
provision
is
too
broad
and
too
inclusive.
This
the
city
council
has
dealt
with
this
on
a
number
of
occasions.
M
In
fact,
as
far
back
as
october
council
member
miranda
cited
to
the
need
for
this
historic
use,
the
historic
use
of
alleyways
in
the
west
tampa
overlay
has
been
for
library
and
service.
Mr
miranda
went
through
a
great
discussion
about
how
that's
where
folks
used
to
get
their
trash
cans.
That's
what
this
use
was.
It
wasn't
ever
proposed
to
have
main
access
to
a
lot
go
through
the
alleys.
M
Now
this
lot
in
question
that
we're
looking
at
27241c25
if
an
existing
lot
is
adjacent
to
an
open
and
used
public
alley,
vehicular
access
to
the
site
shall
be
provided
to
the
alley
as
the
primary
vehicular
access
point.
It's
our
contention
that
this
alleyway
is
not
open
and
used
in
a
manner
consistent
with
the
building
plan
in
looking
at
the
overlaying
area,
and
I've
got
a
number
of
aerials
this.
Hopefully,
this
is
clear
enough.
I've
tried
to
make
it
as
big
as
I
can
you'll
see
a
big
red
placard.
M
M
This
alley
is,
at
you
know,
on
flat,
14
feet
wide,
we've
got
photographs
and
it
may
be
hard
for
the
council
to
make
out,
but
you
should
see
a
tape
measure.
That's
in
the
middle
of
this
alleyway.
The
applicants
have
actually
measured
a
portion
of
the
alley.
This
measurement
was
seven
feet.
One
inch
that's
significantly
below
the
nine
foot
threshold.
M
Then,
when
she
has
to
leave
she's
going
to
have
to
back
up
to
that
same
seven
foot
alleyway
and
try
to
make
it
out
without
damaging
a
neighbor's
fence
or
damaging
her
vehicle
or
tearing
up
her
lawn.
So
in
looking
just
at
the
use
of
this
area
historically,
and
what
what
the
the
current
code
requires,
it
would
fit
a
design
exception.
Just
on
the
basis
that
a
seven
foot
paved
area
cannot
you
can't
pull
into
a
driveway
at
that
point,
my
client
drives
a
honda
civic,
for
example,
and
still
that
turn
is
difficult
to
make.
M
Now,
as
we
go
back
to
the
alleyway
definition,
it
must
meet
the
minimum
standards
referenced
in
twenty
seven.
Two,
eight
two,
eight
three
point:
one
two:
well,
we've
actually
looked
at
what
that
requires,
and
for
this
because
it's
a
90
degree
turn
it
has
to
fit
that
parking
requirement,
you're
dealing
with
it
at
least
and
I'll
try
to
share
this
on
the
elbow.
M
This
is
the
off
street
parking
space
standards
that
would
be
required
under
24,
see
the
alley
access
provision
because
it's
a
90
degree
turn
it
would
require
an
aisle
width
between
stalls
at
24
feet.
You
don't
have
that
within
the
alley,
so
just
based
on
the
valley
requirement,
it
doesn't
meet
the
minimum
standards
as
required
by
the
by
its
own
code,
so
because
of
that,
it's
another
grounds
we're
asking
for
the
design
exception.
M
M
That's
the
subject
that
subject
parcel
will
be
torn
down
and
replaced
with
our
proposed
design,
the
neighbor
to
the
left
and
to
the
right
both
use
street
accents,
in
fact,
the
yellow,
newer
construction
home
utilizes,
a
u-shaped
driveway,
which
is
that
it
accesses
the
street,
not
in
one
point,
but
two
points:
we've
gone
even
further
than
that,
though,
not
only
does
the
entire
neighborhood
use
the
streets,
they
use
all
the
streets,
they
actually
support.
Ms
santos,
her
her
proposed
design
exception,
she's
gathered
13
signatures
from
the
surrounding
neighbors.
M
That
say,
they're
all
agreeable,
and
this
is
attached
to
her
to
our
petition
that
was
filed
ahead
of
today
for
the
design
exception
review.
These
are
all
of
her
neighbors
you'll
know:
2421
state
street
2425,
state
street
242
state
street
2424
state
street,
all
of
the
neighbors
in
that
in
that
neighborhood
actually
support
the
design
exception
by
continuing
the
historic
use
of
using
the
street
and
utilizing
that
street
to
have
vehic
to
have
access
to
the
front
of
the
property.
As
the
prior
applicant
indicated.
M
These
these
alleys
are
too
they're
too
narrow
for
fire
departments
they're
too
narrow
for
anyone
to
to
use
from
a
public
safety
standpoint
and
that's
part
of
what
the
historic
or
what
the
west
tampa
overlay
stands
for.
It's
designed
to
increase
safety
and
further
that
end,
if
the
police
aren't
expecting
to
go
down
an
alleyway
to
access
someone's
home
in
the
event
of
an
emergency,
now
you're
having
essentially
emergency
services
enter
through
the
through
the
rear
of
a
building.
M
If
this
design
exception
is
not
granted,
requestably
I'd
reserve
the
rest
of
my
time
for
rebuttal.
I
know
I
believe,
there's
a
public
comment
that
may
be
yeah.
You.
B
Still
get
rebuttal
anyways
if
you
stay
within
your
15
minutes,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
at
this
time?
B
Nope
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anybody
here
to
speak?
If
not,
I
know
miss
sandy
sanchez
is
also
registered
for
this
item.
B
All
right,
I
see
no
one
here
in
the
public
if
we
can
go
to
sandy
sanchez,
you've
already
been
sworn
in,
so
just
turn
your
camera
on
and
please
state
your
name.
J
The
original
intent
of
the
changes
to
the
west
tampa
overlay
were
in
part
to
make
our
streets
safer
for
all
users,
especially
our
vulnerable
population.
Although
it
may
seem
like
it's,
not
a
big
deal
blocking
the
sidewalk
forces,
pedestrians
and
children's
wheelchairs
to
use
the
streets.
The
majority
of
the
neighborhoods
under
west
tampa
only
have
no
sideways.
J
J
As
I
said
before,
the
authors
of
the
changes
the
west
tampa
cra
are
continuing
to
work
with
staff
to
expand
the
language
and
provide
other
solutions.
Since
we
realize
a
one-size-fits-all
solution
is
not
practical,
we're
looking
for
different
options,
mr
colon,
the
contractor
thought
out
of
the
box
and
has
given
us
another
option.
J
While
this
alley
is
clear
and
wide
enough,
we
feel
that
he
has
fulfilled
the
intent
of
the
west
tampa
overlay
by
creating
this
long
driveway
to
keep
the
cars
off
the
street.
I
personally
commend
mr
colon
for
studying
the
overlay
and
designing
home
that
appears
to
fulfill
the
original
intent
of
making
our
streets
safer.
J
If
there
are
no
other
exceptions
to
be
considered,
and
if
the
driveway
is
at
least
35
feet
long,
it
appeared
as
it
appears
on
the
plans.
I
recommend
that
you
allow
the
design
exception
for
the
property
at
2423
west
street
west
state
street,
but
only
under
those
exceptions
and
I'd
like
to
add
a
couple
of
things.
Gentlemen:
when
people
when
the
applicants
apply-
and
they
show
the
neighborhoods,
these
houses
are
built
in
1930
1940..
J
B
G
The
rebuttal
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
provided
the
sample
motions
but
based
upon
the
agent's
presentation
that
they
are
not
going
forward
regarding
the
floor
height
and
if
you
can
just
confirm
that
on
the
record,
then
for
the
sample
motion.
If
city
council
could
withdraw
that
code
section
as
a
consideration
for
the
motion
and
that's
that
code
section
specifically
is
27-241
subsection,
2
c7,
that's
the
one
that
says:
ali
access.
Only
correct
ali
access
is
27.
241,
subsection,
2c5.
M
B
Thank
you
anything
else.
That's
it!
You
moved
your
clothes
from
motion
clothes
from
councilman
good
center
for
councilman
c
troll
in
favor,
all
right
all
right.
What
is
the
pleasure
of
counsel.
F
See
attorney
correct
me
if
I
missed
something,
but
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
overturn
the
zoning
administrator's
denial
design,
exception
application,
de1
22050,
because
the
applicant
has
met
the
necessary
standards
they
have
provided.
In
addition,
they
provided
sufficient
space
for
for
cars
and
also
pedestrian
access
and
accommodating
an
older
home.
B
We
have
a
motion
from
councilman
carlson
secretary
councilman
sietra,
all
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you,
you're
good.
Thank
you
very
much
we're
going
to
take
a
five
minute
recess,
so
we
can
get
staff
and
everybody
else
situated
before
we
continue
with
the
agenda
and
then
we'll
be
back
thanks.
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
O
O
Joe
johnson,
chairman
of
the
budget
and
finance
committee,
citizens,
budget
and
finance
committee
today,
I'm
just
here
to
kind
of
touch
on
where
our
committee
is
going.
We
already
know
where
we've
been,
but
we
want
to
discuss
where
we're
going,
and
you
know
working
collaboratively
with
the
administration
with
the
departments,
mainly
the
budget
department
and
all
the
other
departments.
O
So
with
that,
the
committee
met
yesterday
as
we
do
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
we
discussed
some
of
the
processes
that
have
been
in
place
as
pertaining
to
how
we
meet
with
the
departments
and
how
we
obtain
information
from
the
departments-
and
you
know,
had
a
brief
conversation
with
the
cfo
dennis
rogero
and
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
continue
to
meet
with
the
departments.
O
So
that
means
that
originally
we
asked
to
meet
quarterly
with
the
department.
So
we
can
kind
of
see
where
the
departments
were
as
it
pertains
to
numbers
and
projects
that
they
were
working
on
currently
and
projects
that
they
had
coming
up
in
the
future
forecasted
in
the
future.
So
we
think
we
feel
that
it's
best,
if,
when
chief
staff
and
the
budget
office
is
constructing
the
new
fiscal
year
budget,
that
we'll
be
a
part
of
that
process.
So
that
way
we
can
ask
questions
and
receive
the
answers
and
we
can
formulate
better
recommendations
to
counsel.
O
So
I
think
that
I
feel
that
myself
and
cfo
o'hara
we're
on
the
same
page
with
that,
and
I
think
that
with
some
of
mr
shelby's
input
and
also
mr
massey,
I
think
that
everybody
is
aligned,
but
I
did
have
a
question
because
I
I
don't
want
it
to
be
any
confusion.
I
know
there's
a
resolution
that
was
put
in
place
that
formed
this
committee
back
in
2008,
but
today
this
current
council.
The
question
is:
what
is
the
expectation
of
this
council
as
it
pertains
to
the
budget
and
finance
the
citizens
budget
and
finance
committee?
O
N
My
question
is
to
myself
is
what
a
mr
johnson
of
yours
committee,
when
you
first
took
it
in
I
I
mean
I'm
not
against
anything
or
for
anything
at
any
time,
but
the
finance
committee
has
always
received
outstanding
reviews
not
from
us
but
from
other
agencies
throughout
the
course
that
I've
been
here.
So
what
are
we
looking
for?
I
guess
your
question
is.
O
N
O
Well
again,
when
you
look
at
the
resolution,
the
resolution
was
clear
as
pertains
to
the
function
of
this
committee,
and
that
is
to
look
at
the
budget,
look
at
the
budget
and
meet
with
the
departments
and
make
sound,
economical
recommendations
to
council,
and
I
think
that
over
the
past
two
years
and
no
slight
to
my
predecessor,
but
I
believe
that
over
the
past
two
years,
under
my
guidance
as
chairman,
we've
done
that,
but
in
doing
so
and-
and
I
like
to
say,
I'm
a
straight
shooter-
you
know
some
people,
therefore
some
people
they
are
not
for
so
again,
this
is
a
council
committee.
O
O
So
that's
I
I'm
clear
on
the
resolution
right,
but
I
mean.
O
Yeah,
but
I
think,
moving
forward,
you
know
not
think
but
phil
moving
forward.
You
know
we
sat
down
the
administration's
been
great.
You
know,
they've
allowed
their
department
heads
to
come
and
meet
with
us.
Sometimes
they
could.
It
could
be
a
little
heated
because
we're
trying
to
get
information-
and
you
know
some
people
like
it-
some
people
don't,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
think
that
we've
accomplished
a
lot
of
great
things
of
this
committee
council
and
also
the
administration.
O
That
we
can
approve
a
problem
sure
I
I
I
don't
think
that
the
committee
you
know
has
things
that
need
to
improve
upon.
I
think
just
the
process
of
understanding
and
of
what
council
and
the
administration
is
looking
for.
Those
when
I,
when
I
reference,
approve
upon
that's
what
I
reference,
because
there
are
times
where
there
is
a
disconnect
and
there's
a
disconnect
because
of
the
information
that
we
obtain
and
then
that
we
convey
some
people
may
like
it.
O
O
So
that's
what
that's
what
I,
what
I,
what
I'm
addressing
but
again
I've
had
the
conversation
with
the
cfo,
and
I
think
that
moving
forward,
I
I
think
the
train
will
continue
to
move
in
the
right
direction
and
we
understand
that
sometimes
we're
going
to
agree
to
disagree,
but
it's
nothing
personal.
It's
policy.
N
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
personal
top
guy
either.
If
I
got
to
say
something,
I
say
it,
no
matter
what
happens,
how
it
falls
to
the
left
or
to
the
right,
even
if
it
falls
in
the
center,
I'm
happy
now,
I'm
happy
the
way
as
long
things
are
growing
in
the
process
of
getting
the
betterment
for
the
city
and
the
taxpayers
all
right.
So
what
I'm
saying
is,
I
still
don't
understand.
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
in
putting
into
the
conceptual
concept
of
what's
going
on,
have
you
found.
O
Well,
councilman
miranda-
I
I
I
believe
you
know
a
couple
of
months
ago.
You
know
there
was
a
memo
that
was
written
based
on
information
and
having
a
meeting
with
a
certain
department
and
it
ruffled
a
little
feathers.
Okay.
We
have
yet
to
really
discuss
that.
So
right
now
at
this
at
this
this
this
meeting,
I
I
will
not
discuss
that.
O
K
Going
back,
you
said
you
wanted
to
be
part
of
the
process
and
that's
what
the
advisory
board
is
is
part
of
the
process,
but
going
to
what
your
statement
was,
you
want
to
be
part
of
the
process.
Are
you
talking
about
the
actual
making
of
the
budget,
or
are
you
talking
about
the
process
that
when
the
budget
is
finished,
your
committee
overlooks
at
it
overlooks
it
and
then
comes
back
from
reports
to
us
to
see,
if
maybe
we're
wanting
to
add
something
or
detract
something
from
that
budget
which
part
of
the
process?
O
Order
in
order
for
us
to
make
sound
recommendations
to
council
in
years
past,
we've
always
met
around
may
or
june,
and
at
that
time
the
budget
is
pretty
much
constructed.
Am
I
am
I
safe
to
say
that
chief
or
a
little
early?
Okay,
so
once
once
the
the
process
starts,
we're
really
not
seeing
what
is
actually
in
the
budget.
O
Okay,
what
the
numbers
are
that
the
administration
is
asking
for
until
after
the
mayor
presents
so
once
the
mayor
present
or
have
presented
in
the
past,
then
we
take
a
look
at
previous
year's
budget
and
we
look
at
what
the
the
new
fiscal
year
budget
is
going
to
be,
and
then
we
sit
down
and
we
discuss
prior
fiscal
year
budget
and
upcoming
fiscal
year
budget
and
try
and
make
the
best
decision
possible
as
pertains
to
recommendations.
O
So
what
we're
asking
is
on
a
year-over-year
basis,
going
forward
with
this
committee,
whether
I'm
on
this
committee
or
whoever's
on
this
committee.
The
right
thing
to
do
is
to
kind
of
be
involved
in
somewhat
of
that
process
and
that's
where
meeting
quarterly
or
monthly,
with
the
departments
just
to
kind
of
see
where
their
num,
where
they're
at
with
their
numbers
currently
and
what
their
numbers
are
looking
for
coming
up.
So
every
every
year
go.
K
O
No,
we
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
creation
of
the
budget.
We
just
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
as
to
so
when
you
look
at
a
budget
from
a
business
perspective.
You're
constantly
monitoring
your
your
balance
sheet
every
year,
every
month
right,
so
basically
every
every
earmarked
dollar
that
the
administration
has
earmarked
for
a
project
or
for
a
contractual
service
or
whatever
services
is
out
there.
O
You
still
have
to
account
for
where
that
money
is
going
and
what's
coming
in
right
so
next
year
you
know
exactly
where
you
need
to
set
your
budget
levels
at
okay.
So
as
a
the
budget
and
finance
committee,
when
I
look
at
the
scope
of
when
you
talk
about
budget
and
finance
you're,
looking
at
numbers,
you're,
fiscal
hawks,
your
job
is
to
monitor
the
funds
and
make
sure
that
either
we
are
on
target
below
target
or
above
it
and
if
you're
above
it.
What
is
the
explanation
of
it?
So
we
don't
want
to
be.
O
K
O
Needs
to
be
during
the
process
of
the
budget
being
constructed
so
probably
right
towards,
I
would
say,
the
middle
or
or
the
end,
but
because
we've
had
an
opportunity
on
a
quarterly
basis
or
monthly
basis,
to
take
a
look
at
the
current
fiscals
and
looking
at
what
their
projections
are
going
into
the
new
fiscal
year.
That
gives
us
a
better
idea
and
understanding
as
to
where
the
budget
is
going
to
be
going
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
you
look
at
your
currents,
you
look
at
your
projections
and
you
have
enough
time
to
individually.
O
A
I
L
Well,
I
know
there
have
been
some
good
people
that
worked
on
this
committee.
What
I
can
say,
mr
johnson,
from
what
the
community
has
said.
I
mean
the
broad
holy
spirit
of
everyone
in
the
city
said:
you've
done
a
hell
of
a
job
for
two
years.
My
friend,
thank
you.
That's
what
the
people
say
who
are
watching,
not
just
because
I
selected
you
to
be
on
that
committee,
but
what
the
people
say.
L
I
know
you're
a
finance
guy.
I
know
your
money
guy,
that's
why
I
said
to
other
cows
when
I
was
cheering
you
need
to
have
people
on
that
board,
not
just
because
of
a
friend
but
people
who
know
money
who
know
budgets
just
having
somebody
on
the
board
who
don't
know
how
to
do
spreadsheets.
I
don't
know
how
to
really
organize
money.
It
wastes
the
time
and
wasted
time
with
the
committee
you
know.
L
I
know
there
have
been
some
challenges
with
the
committee
because
finding
out
the
committee
was
not
operating,
where
should
we
be
operating?
What
mr
shelby
tells
me
so
that
brought
a
light
on
the
committee
and
to
get
things
to
where
I
believe
the
resolution
was
intended
for
and
when
I
look
at
the
resolution
when
I
look
at
what
the
committee
for
the
committee
is
supposed
to
be
an
oversight.
L
Yes,
there
are
oversight
of
what
we're
spending,
what
we're
doing
and
how
we're
spending
our
money
on
projects
or
whatever
and
in
the
medical
recommendations
to
this
council
and
as
this
council,
we
look
at
what
the
budget
and
finance
committee
has
advised
us,
because
we
don't
have
staff
to
go
over
and
see
what
mr
rajero's
doing
what
the
chief
of
staff
is
doing.
What
anybody's
doing
to
say,
we
don't
have
that
staff,
like
other
other
agencies,
may
have
a
staff
that
can
can
give
us
information,
say
well
they're
doing
this,
but
we
don't
agree.
L
But
even
the
charter
says
we
should
have
an
honor,
an
analyst
whatever
happened.
A
bunch
of
that
was.
It
says
that
name,
so
we
haven't
been
following
our
own
chart
about
not
having
that
person
to
be
able
to
tell
us
in
the
operating
system
on
what
we
need
to
be
doing,
what
we
don't
need
to
be
doing
so
by
mirror
alone
we're
violating
our
own
rules.
L
I
look
at
the
budget,
the
finance
committee,
to
be
able
to
talk
to
the
department
heads
when
they
have
the
meetings,
whatever
whatever
something's,
not
right.
When
the
cubans
say
we
believe
this
should
happen.
We
believe
that
it
may
be
alabama.
They
may
be
doing
a
great
job
and
get
awards
and
everything,
but
still
sometimes
internally.
We
can
do
things
a
little
bit
better
because
you
might
be
doing
things
way
better
than
other
people.
Are
you
get
your
work
because
you're
doing
things
better
than
other
people
are
doing?
That's
the
way
things
go.
L
I
believe
we
do
got
a
good
finance
department,
but
again
the
way
I
look
at
it
and
the
way
I
see
it
is
it's
a
resolution
and
that
committee
is
an
oversight
of
the
city
and
to
give
recommendations,
sound
recommendations
to
this
council
for
us
to
support
or
not
to
support.
So
that's
how
I
look
at
I
I
I
want
to
get
your
take
on
what
I
just
said,
but
that's
when
I
read
it,
that's
how
I
take
it.
O
I
mean
when
you,
when
you
read
the
resolution.
The
resolution
is
very
clear.
I
mean
I've
read
the
resolution,
you
know
probably
about
10
times.
I've
also
looked
at
the
ordinance
as
it
pertains
to
the
budget
as
it
pertains
to
council
basically
being
in
control
of
the
budget.
O
Until
you
approve
the
budget
for
the
mayor
to
operate
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
everything
you
said
is
correct,
but
I
I
think
that
you
know
there
there's
there's
recommendations
at
times
that
this
committee
has
made
to
counsel-
and
you
know
council
itself
has
you
know
overlooked
and
I'll
just
give
an
example.
You
know
this
city
is
growing.
O
It's
growing
tremendously.
The
census
said
the
city's
growing
it.
It
grew
25
percent.
But
if
you
look
at
the
continued
development
of
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
since
this
data,
it
came
it
it's
posted,
but
the
city
is
constantly
growing.
So
it
said
we
grew
25,
but
I
can
tell
you
if
you
just
look
at
it,
we're
probably
at
about
I'll,
say
37
to
44.
O
With
that
we
talked
about
just
what
you
said.
You
know
making
sound
recommendations
and
one
of
the
recommendations
that
we
made
was
an
expansion
of
city
council's
budget.
We
we
recommended
it
as
a
committee
there's
another
thing,
there's
a
few
other
things
that
we
recommend
it,
but
it's
up
to
this
council
to
listen.
You
can
have
the
committee,
but
when
the
committee
members
make
their
recommendations
to
council
sound
recommendations,
it's
it's
it's
up
to
you
to
really
digest
it
and
discuss
it
amongst
council
members
and
either
say
yay
or
nay.
O
Instead
of
just
saying,
nay.
In
the
spur
of
the
moment,
we
we
recommended
that
your
budget
be
expanded
and
in
the
spur
of
the
moment
there
was
a
few
councilmen
who
said
absolutely
not
so
when
I
asked
the
question:
what
is
the
expectation
of
this
committee
as
it
pertains
to
the
budget
and
finance
committee?
I
ask
that
question
based
on
past
recommendations
that
we've
made
recommendations
when
it
comes
to
spending
money.
Everyone
approves
recommending
certain.
O
N
I'm
just
thinking
of
myself,
if
I
in
any
way,
maybe
the
problem
that
I
have
with
myself
is
that
I'm
81
I
still
like
to
work
at
least
75
hours
a
week
and
I
like
to
give
whatever
I
have
to
society
and
to
whatever
I
can't
afford.
However,
when
you
were
explaining,
you
were
talking
first
about
the
numbers
of
let's
say
2022
and
you're,
going
to
look
at
the
2023
budget,
so
you're
looking
at
the
numbers.
How
they're
coming
in
am
I
correct,
which
is
their
statement,
was
correct.
N
O
No,
what
I'm
saying
is
when
we
make
the
recommendations,
instead
of
being
quick
on
certain
things.
Instead
of
being
quick
to,
you
know,
say
no,
which
was
done.
You
know
this
past
year
because
it
came
about
four
weeks
ago
as
pertains
to
ul's
budget
being
increased,
and
it
was
also
mentioned
that
we
had
made
that
recommendation
as
a
committee.
But
when
you
go
back
and
see
that
you
know
basically,
the
information
fell
on
deaf
ears
is.
O
Is
the
statement
that
I'm
going
to
make
here
and
I
do
not
mean
offend
anyone,
but
again
it
goes
back
to
collaboration
and
cooperation.
O
N
I
I
agree
with
you
at
the
same
moment,
I
I'm
hesitant
to
say
that
you're
100
correct,
because
even
if
we
hire
a
budget
analyst
like
you're
going
to
agree
with
me,
it
can
feel
the
same
way,
and
I
appreciate
that,
even
if
you
hire
budget
analysts,
that
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
agree
with
everything
he
or
she
says.
And
so
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that,
just
because
you
have
someone,
you
don't
have
to
take
the
advice
to
anyone,
including
myself,
to
myself.
F
Thank
you,
sir.
I
want
to
compliment
you
also.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
compliments
about
you
and
the
committee
in
the
community.
So
thank
you
for
what
you've
done
and
everyone
else
done.
I
mean
I
read
the
charter
again
last
night.
F
Clearly
it
shows
that
we
have
approval
over
the
budget
and
the
mayor
presents
the
budget
and
we
approve
it,
but
it
I
don't
believe
the
charter
was
ever
meant
as
a
rubber
stamp
and,
and
we
shouldn't
be
seeing
the
budget
last
minute
and
approving
it
without
knowing
what's
in
it.
I
think
just
the
summary
last
year
was
like
138
pages,
which
I
think
we
all
read,
but
the
longer
version
was
like
a
thousand
pages
and
so
having
having
a
second
set
of
eyes
to
look
at.
F
F
Second,
is
to
find
ways
to
save
money
and
and
third
is
to
have
the
council
perspective
and
on
the
second
opinion,
it's
you
know
we're
presented
by
staff,
but
it's
great
to
have
volunteers,
especially
with
expertise
like
yours
to
look
at
it
and
just
tell
us
what
you
think.
You
might
see
things
that
we
didn't
see
and
you
have
and
also
you
are
able
to
get
much
more
in-depth
briefings
and
committee
briefings
and
everything
number
two
is
ways
to
save
money.
F
You
all
you
all
found
some
ways
to
save
money
that
you
suggested
and
it's
not
you
know,
and
any
administration
should
not
take
that
as
critical.
It's
just
it's
just
additional
feedback.
You
know
clearly
from
the
discussion
we
had
last
week.
We
need
to
put
some
parameters
around
the
ccna
process.
You
know
hannah
avenue
should
have
been
put
out
for
bid
and
it
it.
You
know
that
that's
something
who
knows
how
much
we
could
have
saved
millions
of
dollars,
probably
toilet
tap.
F
If
we
don't
do
that,
we'll
save
billions
of
dollars,
and
so
you
know,
there's
there's
physical
impact
on
all
these
things.
Number
three:
the
council
perspective.
Just
like
we
have
a
city
council
attorney.
We
should
have
the
budget
advisor,
but
in
lieu
of
that
we
have
you
all
as
volunteers
to
look
at
it
and
it's
good
to
get
good
to
have
our
eyes
and
ears.
F
I
mean
if
everything,
if
the
staff
work
for
the
mayor,
and
so
it's
not
that
anybody
did
anything
wrong
but
they're
working
for
the
mayor
and
one
of
the
things
you
all
found
last
year
was
like
70
million
dollars
in
slush
funds,
and
I
think
staff
objected
to
that
term.
But
it
was
money
stashed
away
that
that
I
think
we
would
have
rather
had
be
applied
to
parks
or
sidewalks
or
some
other
project
set
constituents
where
the,
where
the
front
door
to
the
constituents
complaining
about
things.
F
F
But
for
sure
the
public
doesn't
want
us
to
raise
taxes
and
a
lot
of
people
are
upset
because
people
who
are
new
here
and
didn't
realize
that
they're
that
the
person
before
them
was
homesteaded
and
their
taxes
have
gone
up
they're
mad
because
they
think
we
raised
their
taxes,
even
though
we
didn't
and
people
are
upset,
because
the
value
of
their
homes
have
gone
up
and
their
taxes
gone
up.
I
think
periodically
it's
our
duty
to
do
a
forensic
audit
just
just
so.
F
F
Last
thing
I'll
say
is
that
since
city
council
has
the
approval,
the
final
approval
on
the
on
the
budget,
one
of
the
questions
every
mayor
asks
is
they
come
to
each
city,
council
member,
at
least
four,
and
they
say
what
do
you
want?
F
F
Why?
Because
once
you
do
that
the
way
some
mayors
do
it
is
they
take
they
give
you
that
and
then
they
think
they
control
your
vote
out
to
that.
Why
should
you
do
that?
Do
you,
like
orlando
good,
said
a
couple
years
ago
and
asked
for
a
million
dollars
for
a
park
in
your
district?
So
if
he
had
asked
the
mayor
for
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
park,
he'd
have
to
negotiate
back
and
forth
and
come
and
ask
city
council
for
a
million
dollars
for
his
part.
F
Well,
then,
he
doesn't
have
to
give
up
all
his
other
votes
for
having
negotiated
that,
and
I
think,
knowing
more
about
the
budget
and
knowing
about
our
colleagues
and
how
we
want
to
support
each
other
and
how
the
budget's
put
together
there's
a
lot
of
power
in
the
in
the
in
city
council.
It's
not.
We
have
a
strong
mayor
former
guy.
All
that
technically
means
is
that
the
mayor
doesn't
sit
on
city
council.
F
It
doesn't
mean
that
they're
a
dictatorship,
the
power
they
have
is
if
people
cut
side
deals
with
them,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do
that.
Our
answer
if
a
mayor
asks
us,
what
do
you
want
is
no,
it
always
should
be.
No
ask
city
council
for
it.
Instead
ask
city
council
to
put
in
the
budget,
make
a
motion
of
city
council
and
we'll
support
each
other,
and
then
we
don't
have
to
sell
our
votes.
Thank
you.
P
Very
much
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know-
and
I
wanted
to
councilman
carlson
said
some
very
great
things
that
I
agree
with.
I
want
to
respectfully
dissent
on
the
issue
of
of
districts
and
and
asking
for
funds.
I
can
give
you
two
good
examples
that
I
think
are
illustrative
and
maybe
other
people
have
done
it
different,
I'm
just
speaking
for
louis
vera.
Here
I
remember
fire
station
13
and
help
for
fire
station
13..
I
approached
the
administration
on
help
for
fire
station
13..
I
worked
on
it.
P
We
worked
with
joe
greco,
then
president
of
of
tampa
firefighters
on
local
754.
P
I
even
did
a
spend
a
night
at
station
13
to
illustrate
and
put
pressure
on
on
all
stakeholders
on
how
we
need
another
fire
station
out
there,
because
that's
the
busiest
station
in
the
in
the
city
of
tampa
one
of
the
50th
or
so
busiest
stations
in
the
united
states
of
america.
So
I
work
towards
that
and
built
towards
that
over
like
a
year,
a
lot
of
work,
I'm
a
very
hard-working
elected
official.
You
take
another
one:
the
disability
park
that
started
back
in
2017
with
bob
buckhorn.
P
When
I
said
hey,
look
I'd
like
to
have
50
000
in
the
budget
for
for
design
for
that
park
and
then
I'll
leave
it
to
the
next
mayor
to
work
with.
We
got
that
in
didn't
get
in
the
budget
in
19
got
part
of
it
in
20,
part
of
it
in
21,
took
about
four
years
of
lobbying,
I
never
traded
votes.
It
was
something
from
my
heart
and
you
know
two
of
the
big
issues
I
care
a
lot
about
are
first
responders
and
disabilities.
P
So
again
you
know
there
are
different
ways
and
and
no
nobody's
right
nobody's
wrong,
but
just
my
way,
I
guess
if
you
will
so
in
that
regard,
but
I
also
wanted
to
agree
with
what
a
lot
of
folks
said,
including
councilman,
carlson
goods
and
others
about
the
work
of
y'all's
committee
that
you,
you
work
a
lot
obviously
and
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
you
don't
get
paid
right,
that's
correct
and
it's
obvious
that
you
put
a
lot
of
time
into
it.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
without
it
without
a
a
doubt.
P
You
know
I
remember
one
time
and
to
illustrate
the
view
that
I
think
of
this.
This
committee
should
be
doing
you
go
back
to
our
discussion
in
2017
on
the
millage,
your
committee,
you
weren't
there
had
recommended.
I
think
it
was
a
0.9
raising
the
millage.
We
wound
up
raising
at
0.475.
P
I
think
I
believe
it
was
that
year
by
one
vote.
It
was
a
4-3
vote,
so
you
know
this
committee
came
out.
We
tasked
them
with
the
with
the
duty.
What
do
you
think
about
this
when
it
pertains
to
future
revenue?
You
all
came
out
with
a
very
controversial
position
that
by
the
way,
no
one
on
council
ever
adopted,
I
think
we
begin
with
point
six.
I
recall
if,
if
memory
serves
me
right,
so
it
is
up
to
y'all
to
to
go
out
there
and
be
tasked
with
things.
P
One
thing
I
would
love
to
see
all
to
do.
Consistent
with
what
I
said
about
public
safety
is,
is
about
how
do
we
get
money
in
the
budget
through
various
means
for
our
public
safety
needs?
You
spoke
very
well
about
the
fact
that
we're
a
big
growing
city
and
whatnot.
We
have
obvious
challenges
in
north
and
new
tampa
continue
to
have
challenges
in
east
tampa
west
tampa
with
all
that
workforce
housing
continues
to
grow,
we're
going
to
need
more
fire
stations
and
police
officers
out
there
downtown
tampa.
P
You
see
all
the
growth
we've
had
in
10
or
12
years,
no
new
fire
stations
there.
So
the
issue
is:
how
are
we
going
to
build
that
bridge
financially
to
paying
for
the
things
that
we
need?
Not
that
we
want
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
once
that
we
need
so
maybe
that's
something
that
you
all
could
work
on.
I
would
suggest,
which
is
to
look
at
public
safety,
to
look
at
how
to
fund
that
in
the
future.
What
can
we
use
for
that?
P
O
Looked
right,
so
let
me
let
me
touch
on
what
your
statement
council
beer.
You
know,
we've
done
just
that.
I
believe
that
when
we
presented
for
fy
22
at
the
time
chairman
good's
advised
myself
at
the
behest
of
chairman
goose,
advised
that
myself
and
cfo
in
the
budget
office
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
we
did
that
and
we
when
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
with
the
budget
office,
one
of
the
things
we
asked
for
was
for
2.6
million
of
staff
and
level
increases
for
for
the
city.
O
We
asked
for
additional.
We
said
we
actually
said,
take
five
million,
that
five
million
arpa
money
and
allocate
it
to
affordable
housing.
So
when
we
went
back
and
we
met
with
the
budget
officer,
mr
perry
is
not
here
and
you
know
if
he
wants
to
get
on
the
line,
but
we
we
met
and
mr
perry
actually
came
back
and
said
you
know
what
instead
of
2.6
million
dollars,
we
found
an
additional
3
million.
So
we
can,
we
can
add.
O
Instead
of
2.6,
we
can
do
5.6
right
and
then,
when
it
came
to
affordable
housing.
When
we
asked
for
the
5
million
to
be
of
that
arpa
money
that
was
going
to
solid
waste
redirected
to
affordable
housing,
mr
perry
came
back
and
said
that
they
found
18.4
million
dollars
in
federal
and
state
funds,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
we're
not
just
talking
about
you
know
the
million
dollars
of
staffing,
a
council
budget
increasing
we're
talking
about
broad
scopes.
O
When
we
look
at
we,
we
look
at
everything
as
a
committee
and
we
discuss
it
and
when
we
come
up-
and
we
present
that's
because
we
had-
we
went
through
a
thorough
process
to
derive
at
those
recommendations
that
we
present
to
council.
So
and
if
you
go
back
two
years
we've
asked
we've
stated
pd
they
needed
to
upgrade
their
fleet
right.
It's
it's
an
eyesore
out
on
the
street.
They
should
not
be
driving
around
in
old
crown
victories,
so
we've
advocated
for
everything
I
mean
when
they
were
looking
at
the
body.
O
Cams
we
came
and
said
body
cams
is
a
must,
let's
get
it
done
so
we
we
advocate
for
everything
that
we
see
because
we've
done
a
deep
dive
or,
I
won't
say,
a
deep
dive.
We've
done
lean
dives
and
if
you
are
sick
in
the
six
sigma
community,
which
I
am
that's,
what
we've
been
doing
and
we're
trying
to
do
more
of
a
deeper
dive.
So
we
have
a
better
understanding
as
it
pertains
to
how
the
administration
formulates
their
budget
and
come
to
council
and
say
this
is
what
we
need
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
O
So
right
now
we
have
been
we've
been
tracking,
but
we
have
been
tracking
at
the
pace
that
we
really
need
to
in
order
to
make
the
best
sound
recommendations
to
this
council
to
approve
the
budget
for
the
the
city
of
tampa
to
operate.
We
need
more
time
with
the
departments
or
with
the
budget
office
so
that
we
can
understand
how
they're
constructing
their
budget
as
pertains
to
the
economics.
P
My
point
on
that
is
is
that
if
any
of
us
disagree
with
any
of
your
recommendations,
just
like
council
members
disagreed
with
that
millage
rate,
I
promise
you.
It
comes
after
a
lot
of
thoughtful
consideration
as
well
as
I
I
hope
from
all
of
us,
deference
to
the
time
that
you're
putting
in
without
compensation
which
we're
all
appreciative
for
so
thank
you.
A
I'm
I'm
still
pretty
new
at
this,
but
honestly,
if
you
were
to
ask
what
I
want,
I
think
mr
vera
had
councilman
vera
had
a
very
good
point
of.
You
were
saying
that
you
had
recommended
a
0.9
millage
rate
which,
or
previous
previous
councils
had,
and
what
I
would
really
love
to
see
is
sort
of
a
like
a
dream
and
then
something
more
realistic
if
we
have
the
money.
This
is
what
I'd
really
like
to
see,
but
if,
if
we
don't
have
the
money,
this
is
where
we
really
need
to
spend
it.
A
O
I
I
think
that
we're
we're
here
as
it
states
on
the
agenda
and
we
don't.
We
don't
want
to
go
back
to
yesterday.
This
is
today,
so
how
do
we
move
forward?
And
I
think
that
myself
and
the
cfo
we're
on
the
same
page?
O
We
we
want
to
be
collaborative
and
work
together
and
be
more,
this
committee
being
more
involved
as
pertains
to
monitoring
the
the
budget
and
bringing
things
to
the
cfo's
attention
and
to
the
chief
of
staff,
attention
and
updating
council
as
to
where
the
current
budget
is
so
that
when
the
new
budget
is
being
constructed
and
being
approved
for
operation
that
everybody's
on
the
same
page,
I
think
that's
if
you
go
back
to
the
resolution,
that's
what
this
committee
is.
This
committee.
Is
it's
a
fiscal
hawk
committee?
O
You,
if
you
don't
understand
the
economics
of
you
know
of
the
city,
and
you
don't
understand
budgets,
then
you're
wasting
your
time.
N
You
very
much
both
mr
o'hara,
mr
johnson,
since
I
have
you
both
in
front
of
us.
What.
N
At
both
of
you
to
collaborate
and
work
together
is
that
I
think
you
have
one
more
bite
at
the
cip
tax
and
then
it's
fine
at
the
end
in
2026
it
ends.
Am
I
correct?
Yes,
sir,
so
you
have
one
more
bite.
What
was
the
last
amount
that
we
took
in?
Do
you
remember
not
not
actual
figures
around
about
all
right.
N
Commas:
yeah!
Yes,
so
what
I'm
saying
is
this
you're
going
to
have
a
need?
Not
only
today
for
replacement
of
vehicles
and
the
replacement
of
vehicles?
Today
you
know
a
fire
truck
cost
you
800,
000,
complete
and
maybe
more
of
the
big
ones
and
you're
looking
at
the
transport
of
an
ambulance
cost
you
five
times
what
it
did
when
you
first
started.
N
So
even
if
you
have
a
bump
up
because
of
the
value
you
look
at,
there
was
coffee
and
the
value
of
that
going
up,
you're
going
to
be
a
status
quo,
maybe
a
little
behind
as
we
know,
and
you
know,
and
all
of
us
know
all
the
money
collected
in
the
city
of
tampa
on
adverb
taxation,
including
homes
and
buildings,
and
everything
else
does
not
cover,
as
you
well
know,
and
you
well
know
both
of
you:
the
cost
of
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department.
That's
correct!.
N
But
that
doesn't
cover
that
and
it's
still
about
50
million,
I
must
say
50
million
short
of
covering
both
of
those
divisions
which
is
well
needed,
and
it's
public
safety.
That's
what
the
public
need
number
one.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
between
you,
gentlemen,
both
the
city
and
the
advisory
committee
get
together
and
find
out.
N
Because
now
electric
vehicles
certainly
has
a
lot
less
repairs,
but
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
more
costly
to
some
degree,
because
I
see
now
it's
happening
and
there's
50
million
excuses
as
to
why
it's
going
to
cost
more
and
you
go
buy
one
now
they
want
five
or
ten
thousand
over
over
you.
Even
even
some
of
the
manufacturers
are
telling
the
dealers
don't
do
this
we're
going
to
take
the
dealership
away
from
you-
and
that's
happened
already
in
two
large
manufacturers
in
this
country.
D
N
Whoever
sits
on
that
side
of
the
aisle
on
this
side
of
the
aisle
is
going
to
be
up
the
creek
without
a
paddle
like
they
used
to
say
so.
It's
a
both
of
you,
gentlemen,
along
the
chief
of
staff
of
the
current
mayor
and
the
current
council,
has
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
do
these
things
and
how
we'll
continue
the
achievement
of
the
service
level
that
the
public
expects,
because
we're
way
behind
on
cutting
on
manufacturing
the
cost
of
money
to
do
the
roads
that
we
need.
N
The
number
one
complaint
that
we
receive
is
when
you're
going
to
pay
the
roads,
and
I
understand
that-
and
these
things
are
coming.
However,
you
got
the
pipes
program
going
at
the
same
time
that
you
got
to
prepare
the
roads,
so
you
can't
repair
the
roads
until
you
put
the
I
mean
this
is
me.
Thinking
like
I
do
how
you're
going
to
put
tear
up
the
road
and
then
tear
it
up
again
and
put
the
pipes
and
then
cover
it
again.
N
You
can't
do
that
because
it's
double
the
cost
and
these
cost
of
what's
costing
the
city
and
analytically
you're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
what
percent
over
2023
to
2022
is
it's
going
to
jump?
Because
now
you
can't
tell
me
no
one
can
tell
you
what
an
air
flight
plane
is
going
to
cost
because
they
change
daily.
No
one
can
tell
you
most
of
the
prices
and
you
go
to
the
store.
Now
you
go
see
the
milk
yeah.
They
got
milk,
but
you
go
to
that.
N
Other
milk.
That's
got
in
the
little,
not
a
plastic,
but
the
square
type
they're
out.
I
don't
see
a
walmart.
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
other
places,
so
there's
going
to
be
some
shortages
coming
in
this
country,
and
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
be,
but
I
can
I
guarantee
you
by
looking
at
the
shelf
and
the
big
companies
like
publix
at
walmart,
there's
something
coming
in
this
country
that
we
haven't
seen.
N
O
I
think
if
I,
if
I
may
on
that,
I
think
you
know
being
in
the
in
the
the
private
sector
rather
than
being
in
the
public
sector.
One
of
the
things
about
being
in
the
private
sector
is,
and
I
go
back
to
monitoring
your
budget
you're,
always
monitoring
your
funds
right,
you
you,
when
you
look
at
the
public
there's
no
there's
no
slight
to
you,
know
anyone
in
a
position,
but
the
reality
is
from
from
local
state
to
federal.
O
O
I'm
actually
looking
at
my
profits
and
my
loss,
and
I
have
to
say
I
had
more
going
out
than
I
had
coming
in
what
was
the
cause
of
that
and
if
you
go
back
to
2004-2005,
when
delta
airlines
had
to
file
bankruptcy,
some
say
it
was
because
of
the
fuel,
but
I
can
tell
you
it
was
not
because
of
the
fuel
it
was
because
of
the
mismanagement
of
the
purchasing
and
procurement
department
as
well
as
accountant.
You
know
a
a
pallet
of
terry
wipes
that
should
have
cost
the
company
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
O
They
would
be
in
charge
sixteen
hundred
dollars
and
there
was
no
measurements
in
place
to
monitor
that.
So
what
happened
was
you're
over
spending
for
items
that
you
should
not
be
overspending
on
and
that
also
seeps
over
into
the
public
sector.
Where
you
put
these
contracts
out
to
bid
and
again
I'm
not
talking
about
procurement,
I'm
just
giving
an
example.
You
put
these
contracts
out
to
bid
and
what
happens?
Is
they
come
in
at
this
at
this
price?
O
And
you
say
it's
competitive,
but
it
really
is
not
competitive
right
because
you're,
paying
you're
overpaying
for
something
that
you
really
should
not
be
overpaying
for,
but
you're
overpaying
for
it
because
you're
a
government
entity-
and
I
think,
when
it
comes
to
the
cit
when
it
runs
out
in
2026
the
the
way
to
to
overcome
that,
is
to
monitor
your
spending
and
make
sure
that
you
are
being
competitive
with
the
services
that
you
are
contracting
out
and
especially
as
it
pertains
to
supply
chain
management
as
it
pertains
to
security
or
whatever,
whatever
services
you're
contracting
out.
O
You
need
to
make
sure
that
you
are
really
getting
the
best
bang
for
your
buck
and
that's
not
performance.
That
is
what
is
it
going
for
in
the
public
sec
in
the
private
sector,
right
as
in
the
private
sector.
We
do
this
every
day
we
get
three
bids.
We
look
at
it
and
make
sure
that
it
is
competitive
to
what
we
need
and
it's
right
at
cost.
That's
something
that
that's
how
you
can
overcome.
O
N
In
your
division,
in
your
in
your
committee
ever
discuss
anything
about,
I'm
not
anti-sport,
I'm
anti-building
a
building
for
sports,
there's
a
vast
difference
and
you
got
to
make
consideration
what's
going
to
happen,
because
if
it
does
happen,
there's
a
thing
called
development
rights-
and
I
talked
about
this
some
time
back.
What
does
that
mean?
And
what
does
that
affect
the
budget?
N
So
these
are
the
things
that
your
committee
should
be
looking
at,
in
my
opinion,
to
find
out
where
we
stand
and
make
recommendations,
and-
and
I
really
would
be
appreciative
of
whatever
you
come
up
with-
because
it's
something
that
is
needed-
I
all
that
without
me-
you
can't
live,
listen,
they
can
live
without
me
and
a
lot
of
more
than
others
than
me.
So
it's
about
the
public's
need
and
necessities
first,
and
only
first
after
that,
I'm
not
willing
to
give
it
away.
N
I'm
wanting
to
help,
but
I'm
not
going
to
give
development
right,
so
they
can
say
they're
going
to
pay
me
back
with
my
money
on
the
50.
Then
ask
me
for
the
50
in
essence:
they're
getting
it
for
free,
not
only
that
when
there's
another
contract
coming
up
now,
I
believe
it
ends
in
2026..
Everything
ends
in
2026.,
the
big
stadium,
donald
dale
mabry.
That
also
ends
in
2026.
N
D
N
Going
to
be
essentially
positive
or
negative,
because
it
depends
what
we
do
and
from
what
I
hear
they're
looking
at
something
over
half
a
billion
dollars
so
just
be
prepared,
and
you
and
I
already
lost
our
because,
but
I'm
trying
to
be
joking
about
something,
that's
very
serious.
It's
it's
about
something
that
we.
If
we
didn't
have
all
these
debts,
we
may
not
have
the
problem
that
we
have
today
in
what
affordable,
housing.
F
Just
something
quickly:
yesterday
the
mayor
had
a
press
conference
on
accountability
and
transparency.
F
Most
of
the
comments
she
made
were
about
city
council,
but
I
feel
like
we're
pretty
transparent,
accountable,
we're
here
in
front
of
the
public
two
or
three
times
a
week,
public
lines
up
as
they
did
this
morning
and
they
blast
half
or
most
of
us
every
week,
and
so
we
hear
directly
from
the
public
we
get
emails.
We
get
calls
we're
out
in
the
community
meeting
with
the
public
all
the
time
and
we're
directly
accountable
to
the
public.
F
What
I
hear
the
most
request
is:
more
transparency,
accountability
for
the
administration
and
not
just
this
administration,
but
any
administration,
because
the
public
doesn't
see
the
inner
workings
of
it
and
you
have
seen
how
difficult
it
is
to
navigate
the
inside
of
it.
And
I
know
you
all
have
had
some
pushback
on
some
meetings
and
some
questions
you
all
have
asked.
F
But
what
I
would
do,
if
I
were
you
all-
and
this
is
not
being
cheeky,
but
I
would
print
out
the
headlines
from
today's
articles
that
say
mayor
castro,
wants
accountability
and
transparency
and
showed
them,
and
hopefully
chief
of
staff,
would
back
you
up
and
say
this
is
what
the
mayor
wants.
This
is
what
she
said
to
the
public
she
wants,
and
so
what's
wrong
with
answering
the
questions.
F
F
Your
committee
is
transparency
and
accountability
toward
us
and
transparent
transparency
and
accountability
towards
the
public,
because
you
all
represent
thousands
of
people
that
you
know
you
all
are
very
well
networked
and
knowledgeable
in
the
community
and
you
so
you
can
be
ambassadors
and
if
the,
if,
if,
if
you
or
we
happen
to
disagree
with
something
administration,
is
doing
that's
fine,
we
should
all
be
able
to
agree
to
disagree,
but
but
if,
as
long
as
everybody's
transparent
accountable.
Thank
you
thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
hello,
council
dennis
rojero,
chief
financial
officer,
congratulations,
ma'am,
but
before
I
forget,
I
forgot
that
we
both
congratulate
you.
I
I
didn't
step
over
here
to
inhibit
any
discussion
or
to
cut
short
any
questions.
Mr
johnson,
you
know
had
referenced
me
a
couple
of
times
and
referenced
and
said
a
statement
that
I
agree
with.
I
think,
philosophically
we
are
on
the
same
page.
Of
course,
councilman
carlson
you
and
I
have
have
talked
mr
johnson
and
I
have
discussed
most
recently
out
there
met
with
the
chief
of
staff.
D
I
want
to
thank
and
credit
mr
shelby,
the
city
council
attorney
for
facilitating
many
discussions
in
the
background
leading
up
to
this
meeting
and
the
reason
I
bring
all
this
up
is.
I
think
this
motion
is
very
well
timed,
so
I'm
glad
you
made
it.
I
think
we're
well
positioned
from
a
timing
perspective
to
go
forward
in
not
only
monitoring
the
current
year
budget
but
developing
the
fiscal
year
23
budget
again,
you
recall,
council's
budget
development
process
typically
starts
with
our
presentation
to
you
next
month
of
the
mid-year
review.
D
That's
going
to
coincide
very
closely
with
the
citizen
advisory
committee's
next
meeting.
I
think
that's
very
well
timed
we'll
bring
to
you
where
we
think
we
are
in
this
year,
we'll
have
about
a
half
of
fiscal
year's
information,
we'll
bring
to
you
where
we
think
we're
going
again
nicely
coinciding
with
the
start
or
I'm
sorry.
D
So
it's
well
timed.
I
think
we're
well
placed
going
forward
with
a
regular
periodic
schedule.
It
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
about
a
month
for
not
only
review
internally
from
the
administration's
perspective
review
externally
by
the
citizens
advisory
committee
and,
if
you'll
recall
last
year,
that's
also
the
kickoff
for
our
one-on-one
meetings,
with
each
of
you
to
inquire
as
to
what
your
priorities
are.
Last
year,
each
council
member
got
at
least
one
one-on-one
meeting.
Some
of
you
wanted
more.
So
we
had
more
you'll.
Also
recall
you
added
a
budget
workshop
last
year
in
august.
D
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
feedback
I
got
from
that
workshop
was
very
positive.
I
thought
it
was
very
useful.
It
allowed
us
to
transition
from
the
initial
one-on-one
meetings
with
your
input
to
meet
with
you
again
after
you
receive
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
and
get
additional
input
further
to
the
citizens
advisory
committee.
As
mr
johnson
and
you
all
have
referenced,
you
know,
they've
got
a
long
history
of
providing
recommendations
during
the
budget
process
that
either
are
incorporated
into
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
or
eventually
are
incorporated.
As
you
adopt
the
budget
in
september.
D
D
As
mr
vieira
pointed
out,
you
won't
always
agree
with
the
citizens
advisory
committee
and
we
won't
always
agree
with
the
citizens
advisory
committee
and
the
council
won't
always
agree
with
the
administration,
but
at
least
if
we've
surfaced
the
information,
if
we've
vetted
it
and
can
speak
to
it
from
a
financial
perspective,
then
I
think
all
parties
have
done
their
job.
So
I
appreciate
your
work.
D
The
work
of
the
committee-
and
you
know,
philosophically,
where
we're
heading
I'd,
also
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
the
chief
of
staff
for
his
participation
and
assistant
city
attorney
or
chief
deputy
city
attorney
morris
massey.
Having
said
that,
I'm
prepared
to
take
input
now,
I'm
prepared
to
take
input
either
on
what
your
priorities
are.
When
you'd
like
to
begin
sharing
more
information
with
us
when
you'd
like
to
begin
meeting
et
cetera
and
we'll
be
prepared
for
that
throughout
the
budget
process,.
O
That
we
we
do
need
from
a
committee
standpoint
is
a
little
more
support.
We,
I
love
mary
bryan
right,
but
I
think
we
need
you
know
someone
who
can
keep
up
with
the
minutes.
Okay,
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
designated
place
to
meet
all
right,
so
we
need
a
little
more
administrative
support
for
the
committee
right
now.
O
B
I'll
collaborate
with
the
chief
of
staff,
our
city
council,
attorney
my
legislative
aide.
Of
course,
the
chair
of
the
the
finance
committee
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
to
offer
better
support
again,
the
city's
growing.
You
know,
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
and
we
gotta.
We
have
to
keep
up
with
that
growth.
B
B
F
Committee
was
created
and
I'm
not
trying
to
start
a
big
discussion
or
fight,
but
jose
joseph.
I
wonder
you
know
in
in
the
in
trying
to
promote
collaboration.
Can
we
modify
the
the
makeup
of
the
committee
to
add
two
appointees
from
the
mayor
or
is
that
is
that
too
difficult.
E
If
I
can
address
that,
mr
chairman,
this
this
committee
was
created
in
2008
and
the
and
the
the
resolution
was
amended
in
2011.
council
didn't
have
a
copy
of
it.
Today
I
didn't
know
we
were
going
to
go
this
far
in
depth
into
that,
but
obviously
an
11
year
old
resolution
needs
to
be
revisited
and
brought
up
to
speed,
and
we
have,
to
you
know,
apply
it
consistently.
E
If
you
want
to
have
the
kind
of
support
that
was
talked
about.
This
was
something
that
was
raised
by
the
committee.
Is
the
fact
that
if
you
do
want
to
make
it
with
a
mayoral
appointment
and
expand
this
and
get
the
support
you
need,
you
can
create
this
by
ordinance
and
make
this
with
the
mayor.
Certainly
approval
a
standing
board.
F
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
modify
the
resolution
for
the
creation
committee
to
ask
the
mayor
if
she
was
to
invite
the
mayor
to
to
appoint
two
appointees
to
the
committee.
B
E
O
O
Yesterday,
one
of
the
committee
members
made
a
a
motion
to
that
effect
of.
O
B
F
F
We
just
have
a
separate
agenda
item.
I'm.
F
Well,
can
I
just
add,
can
I
make
a
motion,
while
he's
here
just
to
add
to
may
10th
to
the
gym
on
may
10th,
a
discussion,
a
discussion
with
staff,
about
the
possibility
of
adding
two
mayoral
appointees
to
the
budget
finance
committee?
One.
O
Of
the
other
things
that
I
will
say
since
we're
on
this
topic,
we
only
get
to
brief
council.
You
know
once
once
a
year
and
I
think
that
that's
a
disservice
to
council,
because
you're
not
well
informed
as
to
the
progress
of
the
committee
and
the
administration
when
we
meet
with
the
department,
so
it
would
be
up
to
you
all.
You
know
I'm
a
quarterly
guy.
Okay,
we
meet
monthly
and
we
don't
have
to
brief
you
monthly,
but
at
least
quarterly.
O
F
Oh
sorry,
okay,
19.
may
19th
to
return
on
may
19th.
That
has
to
have
to
return
on
may
19th
with
to
discuss
the
possibility
of
adding
two
mayoral
appointees
to
the
budget,
finance
committee
and.
B
B
Right,
we
have
a
much
from
councilman
carlson
secretary
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor.
K
E
F
No,
he
I
think
he
was
just
asking
us.
I
mike
my
question
is
chief
chief
in
it.
Could
you
just
tell
us
how
many
times
did
we
meet
last
you
all
presented
to
us,
but
how
many?
How
many
meetings
did
we
have?
What
was
the
process
you
took?
I
thought
the
process
you
did
last
year
was
good.
I
just
wanted
to
know,
since
we
can't
talk
to
each
other
in
between
meetings.
I
was
wondering
if
anybody
wanted
to
modify
that
process
in
any
way.
F
D
You
know
we
increased
an
opportunity
to
work
with
the
social
action
and
arts
funds
community
to
and
get
a
lot
of
input
from
council
to
work
on
those
non-profit
groups
to
see
how
we
can
support
them
because
they
are
filling
a
lot
of
gaps
and
council's
input
was
invaluable.
On
that.
D
So
to
answer
the
clock,
question
actually,
chief
roger
had
put
together
kind
of
a
timeline
of
engagement,
and
I
I
defer
to
him
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
sequencing
and
I
think
we
can
and
again,
as
what
I
heard
today
in
the
testimony
of
the
the
chairman
of
the
citizen
advisory
committee.
D
We
do
need
more
lead
time
to
have
a
better,
more
fluid
presentation,
chief
of
hair,
and
I
always
talk
about
the
budget
midpoint
review,
which
should
be
coming
up.
That's
a
great
chance
to
cycle
in
the
budget
finance
committee
to
see
how
well
we
are
in
sync
for
the
first
six
months
of
the
first
quarters
of
fy22
and
then
also
start
those
planning
nuggets
for
fy23
of
chief.
Do
you
want
to
augment
that?
D
Thank
you,
sir,
and,
as
I
said,
it
really
is
very
good
timing,
because
we'll
be
coming
to
you
with
the
mid-year
review
next
month,
coinciding
with
the
next
meeting
of
the
citizens
advisory
committee
somewhat
and
then
from
there.
If
you'll
recall
last
year
again
we
hit
the
ground
running
with
one
on
one
meetings.
Again,
we
wanted
to
get
as
the
chief
of
staff
said,
your
input
as
soon
as
possible
as
we
crafted
next
year's
budget
throughout
that
process.
D
You
had
the
budget
workshop
as
I
mentioned,
but
we
also
took
questions
and
provided
answers
again.
I
think
I
mentioned
some
of
you
wanted
more
than
just
one
just
one
meeting,
so
we
provided
that
and
we
can
meet
as
often
and
as
frequently
as
you'd
like
philosophically
I
would
prefer
more
meetings,
so
we
keep
abreast
of
what
your
priorities
are
and
what
those
priorities
remain
throughout
the
process.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
our
intent
to
ambush
anybody,
and
it's
certainly
not
your
intent.
D
I'm
sure
to
give
us
information
too
late
for
us
to
easily
act
on,
but
again
we
can
be
very
flexible.
Would
you
like
a
more
meetings?
Would
you
like
earlier
or
more
frequent
workshops
and
that's?
Why
again,
I'm
thankful?
This
motion
occurred
right
now.
This
is
the
perfect
time
to
start
discussing
that.
Thank
you.
B
C
Yes,
good
afternoon,
I
guess
I
can
almost
say
good
evening
council
good
afternoon,
usia
win
ma'am
welcome
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
I
submitted
a
report
regarding
oc,
win,
administrative
neighborhood
and
community
affairs.
I
submitted
a
memo
regarding
vila
brothers
and
I
just
wanted
to
update
council
on
what
has
occurred
since
the
memo
was
submitted
last
week,
as
it's
stated
in
the
memo
that
we
were
on
the
29th
we
were
meeting
with,
and
we
have
let
me
get
my
papers
right
here.
C
We
have
selected
a
consultant,
an
engineering
consultant
for
villa
park,
brothers
park.
That
is
important
because
the
in
the
park
there
we
have
drainage
issues
so
before
we
start
with
the
repairs
with
the
park
improvements,
it's
important
that
we
get
the
infrastructure
piece
right
since
that
time.
C
C
C
We
will
be
installing
pickleball
court
areas
from
some
of
the
repurposed
basketball
courts
and
then
we
will
be
replacing
the
ballers
on
the
west
end
of
the
park
with
an
ornamental
fence.
So
I
just
wanted
council
to
know
that
we
know
that
this
has
been
in
discussion
for
a
while
we're
starting
the
actual
motion
on
getting
the
park.
Repairs
done.
B
Okay,
and
is
there
a
an
end
date,
a
goal
date
for
all
these
things.
My
issue
is
a
couple
of
things,
mrs
martha
villa's
health.
I
want
her
to
see
this
while
she
is
with
us.
B
I
was
here
for
julian
lane
and
that
was
a
mother's
day
weekend
deadline
and
it
got
done.
I
see
other
deadlines
and
it
gets
done
the
hannah
project,
the
whole
city
center.
I
think
it's
a
year
out.
Construction
has
already
started
and
it's
going
to
get
done
and
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
great
and
whatnot,
but
with
this
park
I
mean
time
is
of
the
essence.
Considering
everyone's
been
very
patient.
B
I
did
my
due
diligence
in
voting,
how
I
had
to
vote
and
support
what
I
have
to
support
in
order
to
make
sure
the
financing
was
done
with
this,
but
I
mean
what
what
do
I
tell
mrs
vela.
C
So
councilman
manuscako
after
we
have
the
final
site
assessment
report
from
the
engineer
we
did
the
site
walkthrough
last
week
I
will
have
a
very
more
definitive
answer
in
terms
of
when
we
can
actually
get
started.
B
B
If
you
could
just
contact
my
office
directly,
no
no
need
to
come
here,
but
you
know
I'll
communicate
with
the
neighborhood
I'll
communicate
with
mrs
villa
and
we'll
go
from
there.
But
time
is
of
the
essence.
This
is
you
know
it's
it's
life
and
death
at
this
situ.
You
know
at
this
point
I'm
not
trying
to
be
dramatic,
but
it
would
be
an
honor.
It
would
be
wonderful
for
her
to
see
the
park
at
least
too
close
to
completion
whatever,
while
she's
still
with
us.
So
I
appreciate
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
C
C
B
I
have
well
councilman
beer,
we
have
73.
Is
the
fire
station.
F
Go
to
the
same
good
night.
Yes,
can
I
just
say
this?
I
I
know
you,
you
know
this
and
thank
you
for
for
for
taking
on
the
viola
brothers
park.
I
think
you
know
this,
but
all
of
us
are
interested
in
this
park
and
it's.
F
C
Yes,
so
item
number
76,
I
submitted
a
memo.
The
request
was
to
form
a
youth
advisory
council
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
regarding
the
memo
or.
L
C
Yes,
sir
I'll
be
glad
to
gladly
so
in
response
to
the
our
intent
or
the
ask
to
form
a
youth
advisory
council.
What
we
reported
councilman
gooch,
is
that
the
parks
and
recreation
department
under
my
leadership,
we
formed
a
parks
and
recreation
advisory
council
and
what
that
means
is
that
we
did
not
solely
focus
on
internal
of
our
internal
partners
or
staff.
C
We
formed
a
partnership
with
the
ymca,
the
boys
and
girls
club,
the
skills
center,
as
well
as
hillsborough
county's
parks
and
recreation
departments,
temple
terrace,
hillsborough,
county
and
plant
city.
So
the
purpose
of
that
is
for
all
of
us
to
work
collaboratively
to
not
only
address
the
youth
sports,
but
some
of
the
other
issues,
the
education
and
how
we
on
board
the
coaches
and
volunteers,
so
that
we
can
have
some
consistency
within
those
processes.
L
That's
that's
really
not
what
I
was
looking
for.
That's
when,
with
the
challenges
we
have
on
a
lot
of
youth
sports
activities,
I
understand
you're
trying
to
get
a
big
spectrum,
but
that
wasn't
a
spectrum
that
I
was
looking
for
and
the
direction
I
was
looking
for.
What
I
was
looking
for.
We
have
a
lot
of
youth
sports
issues
and
the
boys
and
girls
club
ymca.
L
They
don't
handle
a
lot
of
the
issues
or
the
day
that
we
have
at
some
of
our
recreation
facilities
where
some
of
our
outside
non-profit
organizations
as
it
relates
to
youth
sports.
There
are
a
lot
of
issues
going
on
youth
sports
dealing
with
background
issues
we
get
calls.
I
quote
all
the
time
about
background
issues,
fields
a
lot
of
different
things
are
going.
A
lot
of
fights
have
been
happening,
structure
wise,
not
enough
fields.
L
People
are
fighting
over
fields
so
dealing
with
the
county,
temple,
terrace,
plant,
city
and
and
and
all
those
four
entities.
I
was
looking
more
of
a
youth
sports
commission
to
where
you
could
address
those
issues.
The
bigger
issues
I
mean
we
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
education,
but
we
got
some
other
issues
at
the
bottom
down
here
that
we
need
to
address
now,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
chaos
within
the
whole
county
as
it
relates
to
youth
sports.
L
C
Sir,
if
I
may
counseling
good
so
part
of
that
of
this
advisory
council
is
to
have
those
subcommittees
who
will
actually
address
education
or
address
youth
sports
or
those
particular
areas
of
interest.
C
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
make
sure
if
I'm
addressing
what
you're
looking
for,
if
we
can
have
a
discussion
offline,
and
so
I
can
integrate
what
your
concerns
are
into
the
overall
overarching
committee
to
make
sure
that
they
are
in
fact
addressed.
Let.
L
Me
find,
but
I
think
I
think
the
park
director
and
I
think
one
of
her
chief
assistants,
oh
gosh.
I
can't
think
why.
Why
is
that
naked?
It's
over
all
the
youth
sports
components.
We've
met
several
times,
we've
met
years
and
years
years
after
they
pretty
much
know
where
what
we're
talking
about
because
they
agree.
This
is
something
we
need,
but
heaven
that's
heaven
pretty
much
know
what
we're
looking
for
when
we
need,
but
we're
gonna
have
a
discussion,
but
I
think
we
have
some
issues
that
relates
to
football
baseball.
L
Some
of
the
issues
that
we're
having-
and
I
I'm
still
hearing
so
I'm
just
hoping
that
we're
gonna
there'll
be
a
real
discussion.
I
know
the
county
is
talking
about
domestic
discussion
about
the
county
and
the
city
trying
to
do
some
things
as
it
pertains
to
you
football
because
of
the
issues
that
have
been
coming
up.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
focused
on
versus
your
big,
broader
picture
with.
That
is
a
need
as
well,
but
the
big
need
is
down
here
at
the
bottom,
with
the
youth
sports.
B
P
Sure
I
know
that
let's
see
these
73,
I
did
a
motion
to
have
that.
Come
back
to
us
in
two
months,
74,
I'm
fine
with
that.
If
anybody
wishes
to
speak
on
that,
I
mean
I
think
the
memo
speaks
for
itself
at
this
time.
Oh
in
75,
chief
trip,
I
was
told
you
weren't
going
to
be
here
so
go
ahead.
Ma'am.
G
And
councilmember
vieira-
I
did
speak
on
this
on
the
last
special
meeting
concerning
that
zip
code
has
forced
part
of
the
master
plan
that
we're
going
to
try
to
do
for
the
entire
city
as
far
as
report
response
time.
So
I
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
that
to
that
or
just
continue,
that
is
part
of
that
master
plan
that
we're
looking
to
implement
some
additional
resources
for
that
area.
To
decrease
that
time.
G
P
You,
sir
yeah,
and
thank
you
ma'am
for
your
work
in
that
regard.
All
I'll
have
a
further
discussion
on
this.
In
the
eight
weeks
when
it
comes
back
to
us,
you
know
there.
There
are
things
that
we
need
long-term
visions
for
again
we're
talking
about
the
workforce,
housing
in
in
west,
tampa,
that's
coming
up,
etc.
Then
there's
more
issues
that
require
more
immediate
triage
type
of
help
and
response,
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
waiting
times
in
three
three
six
four
seven
are
for
that.
P
I
mean,
I
believe,
they're
they're,
sometimes
11,
12
13
minutes.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
in
that
regard,
so
I
I
know
that
that
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
this,
who
may
have
any
interest
in
this
issue
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
tampa
fire
rescue
is
looking
for,
which
is
number
one
looking
to
have
a
cut
through
access
from
morris
bridge
road
into
k
bar
ranch
to
address
those
times
and
additionally
fire
station.
P
I
guess
it
would
be
24
we
got
23
in
2019,
I
believe
it
was
25
is
about
to
come
up
for
north
tampa
and
24
would
prospectively
be
for
k-bar
ranch
and
we've
talked
about
something
potentially
as
a
medical,
only
unit
there
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
So
I
I
do
want
this
to
come
back
to
us
relatively
soon
again,
just
given
the
the
the
urgent
human
issue
here,
I
guess,
if
you
will
so
so,
that's
it
we'll.
P
B
Q
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
very
much.
Council
stephen
benson
city
planning
director
welcome
councilmember
hertek
here
today
with
planning
commission
staff.
I
believe
they
have
a
presentation
that
we'd
like
to
pull
up,
and
the
purpose
of
this
presentation
today
is
to
report
back
on
council's
request
that
staff
and
the
planning
commission
look
into
ways
to
promote
more
mixed-use
development
throughout
the
city,
and
I
believe
I'm
going
to
be
handing
it
over
now
to
jay
and
sophia
with
the
planning
commission.
R
Thank
you,
mr
benson
good
afternoon
council
and
welcome
ma'am.
My
name
is
jay
collins
with
the
planning
commission
staff,
and
I
am
here
today
with
sophia
guaranteva
on
next
slide.
Please
staff
is
here
today
to
actually
provide
for
you
that
update
that
mr
benson
spoke
of
next
slide,
that
thank
you
that
mr
benson
spoke
of
specifically
about
mixed
use:
development
within
the
city
of
tampa.
R
We
have
actually
provided
a
memo
that
we'll
speak
to
a
little
bit
and
we've
also
provided
already
the
study
to
this
body,
which
is
on
file
with
you
guys
again.
This
is
going
back
to
that
december,
2nd
meeting.
One
of
the
things
that
was
talked
about
december
2nd
meeting
was
the
city
of
fort
lauderdale.
The
city
of
fort
lauderdale
does
have
a
mixed-use
residential
category
and
it
has
a
requirement
for
a
10
set-aside
of
a
second
use.
Next
slide,
please
that
actual
category
has
not
been
implemented
within
the
city
of
fort
lauderdale.
R
It
exists
within
its
comprehensive
plan,
but
it
does
not
exist
on
the
land
use
map,
so
it
is
not
actually
being
utilized
by
the
city
of
fort
lauderdale
to
take
it
one
step
further.
There
is
not
actually
any
zoning
for
it,
so
we
called
up
the
city
of
fort
lauderdale
as
any
good
student
would,
and
we
asked
the
question
so
what's
up
what
gives
so
one
other
thing
that
we
had
a
conversation
with
them
about
policy?
R
Was
the
city
of
fort
lauderdale
immediately
started
talking
about
their
activity,
centers,
which
actually
incentivized
mixed
use
development
and
provide
an
area
for
that
mixed-use
development
to
go?
They
talked
about
their
transit-oriented
development,
they
have
tri-rail
heavy
rail.
They
have
bright
line
that
rail.
They
have
street
car
through
downtown.
R
They
have
some
bus
rapid
transit,
so
they
basically
told
us
that
they
have
an
incentive
program
and
they
have
some
secondary
planning
and
they
have
some
infrastructure
about
where
that
mixed
use
goes,
that
mixed
use
category
actually
went
into
their
plan
in
2005.,
so
it's
been
sitting
in
there
for
that
long,
but
it
has
not
actually
been
implemented.
Okay,
like
any
good
student,
we
said
well,
what
can
we
take
from
fort
lauderdale
and
actually
see
how
we
can
apply
that
in
the
city
of
tampa,
even
though
they
haven't
applied
it?
What
can
we
do
so?
R
R
So
this
is
some
of
the
language
that
we
actually
have.
That's
provided
in
that
memo
to
you,
it's
provided
to
you
in
a
strikethrough
underline
from
tampa's
comprehensive
plan.
What
we
want
to
talk
about,
though,
is
the
process
of
how
you
go
about
having
these
types
of
developments,
so
the
language
is
optional.
The
language
is
not
to
say
whether
you
are
consistent
or
inconsistent.
R
This
is
a
procedural.
The
consistency
findings
are
compatibility,
issues,
the
use
issues
and
other
things.
This
is
more
of
a
procedural
issue
that
procedural
issue
we
talk
about
is
will,
in
layman's
terms,
talk
about
the
size
of
a
building.
The
size
of
a
building
is
the
floor
area
ratio
that
you
have
for
it.
So
in
the
city
of
tampa's
comprehensive
plan
for
some
of
these
categories
that
are
in
each
and
every
one
of
your
districts,
community,
commercial,
35,
community
mix,
use
35.
R
Today,
anytime,
you
want
to
go
from
a
1.5
to
a
2.0.
There
are
a
variety
of
different
things
that
you
can
do
in
the
comprehensive
plan
to
get
there.
One
of
them
is
to
provide
mixed
use.
However,
there
is
no
threshold
for
what
that
mixed
use
is.
So
that's
what
we
are
putting
into
the
plan
here
for
you
to
give
us
some
feedback
on
is
that
threshold,
so
the
idea
of
it
would
be
if
I
don't
beat
five
percent
or
the
1500
square
feet.
Whichever
is
greater.
R
R
So
that's
part
of
the
way
in
which
the
city
operates
itself,
as
it
looks
for
intensity
in
these
land
uses
basically
you're
tearing
yourself
every
time
you
go
to
another
tier,
the
city
has
another
type
of
agreement.
It
wants
you
to
do
or
other
provisions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
or
of
your
code
that
you
must
meet
so
the
language
that
is
out
there
today,
for
you
is
for
consideration
of
actually
establishing
a
threshold.
R
If
you
meet
that
threshold,
you
would
not
have
to
go
into
a
bonus
provision
agreement
and
we've
taken
this
one
step
further
to
actually
expand
this
idea
from
not
only
the
arterials
within
the
city
of
tampa,
but
also
the
collectors
within
the
city
of
tampa,
which
again
gives
better
guidance
on
future
mixed-use
development
within
our
city
and
our
neighborhoods
next
slide.
Please.
So
what's
next
we're
here
we'd
like
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
you?
Obviously
we
provided
you
some
strike
through
underlying
language.
You
can
go
ahead
and
tell
us
we
like
that
language.
R
Let's
go
forward
with
that
language.
When
can
you
actually
have
that
language
within
the
comprehensive
plan?
That
would
be
six
to
nine
months
to
actually
do
a
text
amendment.
If
you
all
say
this
is
good,
but
it's
not
going
far
enough.
We
have
some
ideas
in
what
can
we
do
about
that?
We
would
most
likely
roll
that
into
the
future
land
uses
update,
which
is
ongoing
right
now
and
would
probably
be
coming
to
this
body
sometime
in
2023.
R
K
You
very
much
thank
you
very
much
for
your
report.
I
knew
that
you
and
mr
benson
could
could
come
to
to
us
with
some
directive.
This
whole
subject,
I
believe,
started
with
a
former
councilman
and
myself
saying:
okay,
we
we
have
a
developer
coming.
In
said
they
want
the
term
mixed
use
on
their
buildings
and
they
have
a
30
000
square
foot
building
but
they're
only
having
500
square
foot
of
retail.
K
To
me
that
wasn't
mixed
use,
then
my
thought
is
always
how
do
we
make
our
community
more
walkable,
more
bikeable
when
you
build
a
building
and
after
you
get
home,
you
have
to
get
back
in
your
car
to
go
out
and
do
something
else:
the
ground
floor,
retail
bar
restaurant
small
shop?
That
is
the
idea
to
keep
the
people
walking
and
biking
if
not
on
a
scooter
case.
In
point
water
street
spp
just
opened
up
their
ground
floor.
K
K
In
my
opinion,
if
someone
is
going
to
come
before
us
as
a
mixed
use,
there
should
be
that
threshold
that
they
should
have
to
meet
and
have
the
burden
of
proof
to
present
to
us
on
the
reasons
why
that
threshold
can't
be
meet
I.e,
they're
at
a
dead-end
road,
I.e,
the
the
the
density
is
not
quite
there
for
it
yet.
K
B
A
R
Sure
that's
a
very
good
question
so
currently
from
our
work
with
the
city
of
tampa.
Currently
a
lot
of
what
you're
getting
is
coming
in
around
two
and
a
half
to
three
percent
on
the
mixed
use.
We
went
to
five
percent.
It's
an
ask
above
what
the
market
is
bringing,
but
again
the
five
percent
threshold
is
to
get
you
out
of
actually
going
into
that
bonus
provision,
agreement
and
ma'am.
R
R
But
what
we
are
saying
is
a
minimum
of
five
gets
you
out
of
the
bonus
provision
agreement,
and
that
is
irrespective
to
where
you
are
in
the
city
as
well,
because
we
did
not
look
at
this
as
a
real
estate
professional
who
might
say,
one
neighborhood
is
hotter
for
development
than
another.
Again
we
are
land
use
planners,
not
commercial,
real
estate
professionals.
A
Would
you
consider
possibly
having
a
higher
percentage
for
those
main
roads
versus
a
smaller
percentage
for
arterials?
Is
that
a
possible
consideration.
R
Yes,
ma'am-
this
is
part
of
this
conversation
is
to
get
that
type
of
feedback
from
this
group.
Yes,
okay,.
K
K
Q
Provide
a
clarification
that
this
would
just
be
for
projects
that
seek
to
maximize
their
development
potential,
so
you'll
still
get
projects
that
come
in
under
a
one
that
will
not
have
a
second
use.
That's
how
your
future
land
uses
are
structured,
their
incentives,
they're,
not
requirements
across
the
board.
That's
what
the
planning
commission
was
able
to
find
in
their
research
we're
just
not
we.
Q
I
think
that
in
principle
we
agree
that
the
more
you
know
mixing
of
uses
and
assuming
we
can
actually
fill
those
spaces
the
better,
but
the
devil
is
in
the
details
of
each
project
and
depending
upon
where
the
project
is
located.
If
it's
on
an
arterial
roadway,
if
it's
really
isolated
and
doesn't
even
touch
the
arterial
except
for
a
small
piece,
you
know
should
that
project
really
have
to
provide
the
same
level
as
a
project.
That's
maybe
at
a
crossroads.
Q
So
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
solve
that
with
this
far
incentive.
We
think
there
are
other
measures
like
looking
at
parking.
Looking
at
some
of
the
provisions
in
the
code
that
speak
to
the
frontage
requirements
and
the
design
standards.
There's
a
lot
more
ways:
we
can
skim
this
cat
and
we
feel
like
this
is
a
reasonable
start,
but
we're
also
happy
to
look
at
you
know
a
higher
amount
and
come
back
with
more
information.
F
Yeah
to
councilmember
hertek,
I
know
you're
into
planning
and
and
neighborhoods
and
everything
the
planning
commission
staff
are
outstanding
and
I
I
you
probably
know
a
bunch
of
them,
but
they'll
meet
with
you.
Whenever
you
want,
and
mostly
we
hear
from
them
about
land
use
issues
and
they're,
so
much
more
capable
than
that,
and
they
have
brilliant
ideas,
and
I
I
would
recommend
you
listen
to
them
and
stephen
benson,
you
know,
has
just
joined
in
this
new
position
and
he's
outstanding
and
two,
the
cfo
and
chief
of
staff.
F
If
they're
paying
attention,
I
would
put
money
in
putting
two
or
three
more
people
like
steven
benson
in
the
city.
If
we
do
that,
we'll
completely
transform
this
city,
so
we
take
his
vision
and
put
other
people
like
that.
In
there
we
will.
We
will
really
help
the
city.
My
question
to
you
is
at
the
end
of
your
document,
you
kind
of
allude
to
us
making
a
motion
for
a
next
step.
What
do
you
want
us
to
do.
R
So
we
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
provide
you
with
strike
through
underlying
language.
We
thought
that
was
part
of
what
you
wanted
coming
forward
was
what
is
the
next
step,
so
we
provided
you
with
some
language
to
ponder
on
to
chew
on,
and
I
have
already
heard
a
couple
of
folks
ask
for
a
little
bit
additional
clarification
to
that
language,
perhaps
the
tiering
of
it.
So
with
that
in
mind,
staff
can
go
ahead
and
continue
this
conversation
that
would
then
be
rolled
into
the
future
land
use
element.
R
So
again,
that
would
not
be
something
that
would
come
back
to
this
body
in
you
know
a
couple
of
months
as
a
plan
amendment
this.
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
right
now
can
come
back
in
a
couple
of
months
as
a
plan
amendment,
but
if
I
roll
it
into
the
future
land
use
update.
That
is
a
much
larger
process,
and
this
is
just
one
part
of
a
much
larger
process
for
the
future
land
use.
Council.
K
Q
Down
the
road
yeah
we
we
would
be
asking
for
a
motion
as
to
whether
or
not
this
should
be
a
standalone
amendment,
or
we
should
go
with
the
plan
update
which
we
presented
to
you
on
recently.
So
we
can
take
what
we
have
now
try
to
massage
it,
based
upon
the
the
guidance
that
was
provided
and
come
back
with
an
amendment,
or
we
can
put
it
on
that
docket.
For
the
plan
update
to
review.
Those
are
the
two.
This.
A
Ma'am
susan
johnsonville's
legal
department-
just
to
add
to
that
I
mean
you,
you
do
have
a
growth
management
workshop
coming
up
in
your
june
on
june
23rd,
and
so
something
that
you
know,
staff
can
continue
to
tweak
and
we
can
bring
additional
information
back
to
you
at
that
time.
Just.
E
B
E
K
On
the
recommendations
that
were
given
to
us
today
in
this
meeting,
we
would
like
for
this
to
come
back
on
june
23rd
june
23rd.
B
B
staff
was
not
asked
to
be
present
on
this.
These
are
multi-million
dollar
items.
So
for
item
67,
may
I
have
someone
move
the
resolution
motion
from
councilman
citro.
Second
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
any
opposed
item
number
68,
some
moved
emotion
from
councilman
sitro,
second,
from
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
item
number
69
motion,
councilman,
citro,
second
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
item
number
70
is
part.
One
of
two
motion
moved
motion:
councilman
councilman,
rand,
all
in
favor
aye.
B
Any
opposed
and
item
number
71
moved
motion
from
councilman
citrus
councilman
miranda,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
I
see
miss
feely
in
the
room
and
we
are
going
to
discuss
this,
adding
an
additional
city
council
meeting
to
address
the
substantial
backlog
and
land
use
hearings.
Yes,
ma'am
go
ahead,
good.
A
Afternoon,
council
and
welcome
councilwoman
hertek,
it's
very
nice
to
have
you
in
the
days
we
are
here
today.
I
was
here
last
week
to
discuss
with
you
additional
opportunities
for
meetings.
I
did
file
a
memo
and
provided
some
opportunities.
We
had
a
brief
discussion
last
week
and
happy
to
think
the
motion
was
to
come
back
today
to
discuss
the
actual
dates
that
we
would
be
considering
adding
those
cases
too.
B
What
is
the
pleasure
of
counsel
if
anyone
has
looked
at
the
dates?
I'm
happy
with
anything
I'm
wide
open
if
there's
anything
specific,
I'm
happy
to.
B
B
B
B
Be
a
land
use,
so
we
would
have
two
land
use
hearings
evening,
hearings
in
a
month
and
then
one
alcoholic
beverage
and
this.
A
B
A
E
Sir
and
the
other
question
was,
and
I
believe
it
was
council
member
vieira
talked
about
the
continuation
or
not
of
the
tuesday
commendation
meetings
through
the
end.
P
P
Thank
you
yeah.
I
I
would
suggest
just
so
that
we
respect
council
members
time
because
a
lot
of
us
have
other
of
private
sector
employment,
etcetera,
etcetera
that
when's
the
last
set.
I
think
june.
E
P
B
E
Including
city
employees,
excellent,
excluding
then
the
last
one
looks
like
take
your
time.
Thank
you
perhaps,
may
let
me
take
a
look
faster,
faster.
E
It's
april
what
okay,
that's
right,
yeah
april
willy
wonka
or
something
so
there's,
actually
the
only
the
only
commendations
that
are
set
now
are
this
month
next
tuesday,
and
then
after
that,
I
don't
believe
it
according
to
this
calendar,
unless
any
council
members
have
said
it.
Madam
clerk,
I
don't
see
any
commendations
for
anything
other
than
the
police
officer,
the
firefighter
and
the
atu.
P
So
what
do
you?
What
I
would
suggest-
and
let
me
know
if
y'all
just
to
mitigate
some
of
that
is-
is
that
maybe
we
do
the
maybe
then
we
begin
in
june.
We
put
that
off
until
december
and
then
we
just
have
police
and
fire
and
atu
during
regular
hearings,
and
then
we
severely
limit
other
commendations
again.
If
there's
something.
N
N
A
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
but
if
you
wanted
to
just
take
those
days
off,
why
not
every
month
that
we
have
an
extra
land
use
meeting,
we
don't
have
commendations
and
then
the
other
months
so
say
july.
We
do
have
a
commendation
on
tuesday
yeah.
B
E
B
A
E
B
You're,
we'll
be
one
council,
member
short
well,
no.
A
E
B
A
A
The
third
additional
evening
would
be
october
6th.
E
Except,
except
for
the
fact
that
the
commendations
for
that
month
that
have
been
scheduled
would
then
be.
If
I
understand
mr
vieira's
position
would
be
then
put
on
a
regular
day,
but
it's
only
the
city
employees.
Yes,
so
it's
not
that
you
lose
that
month
for
giving
those
commendations
they
just
go
to
a
regular
accountant.
E
Atu,
police
and
buyers-
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
clerk
who's
going
to
compare,
prepare.
This
calendar
gets
it
okay,
very,
very
good,
and
that
tim
understands
that
and
councilmember
seachell's
office
he's
as
long
as
he's
fine
with
that.
Okay.
Next,
please
miss
philly.
I'm
sorry!
That's.
A
B
Q
E
Now
that
you
have
a
full
council,
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
either
you
personally
or
through
your
office,
to
confirm
the
dates.
I
will
tell
you
that,
because
april
is
filled
up
with
already
noticed
public
hearings,
one
of
the
major
challenges
was
having
the
accessibility
of
this
room.
Obviously,
you
want
this
televised
and
covered
the
date.
The
day
of
the
week
that
seemed
to
work
best
in
may
was
monday,
and
I
checked
three
dates
in
may
and
the
date
where
the
room
is
available.
E
E
And
it's
a
monday
and
and
I'm
keeping
my
fingers
crossed
that
everybody
can
make
it,
because
that
was
the
purpose
of
the
cancellation,
and
that
was
the
purpose
of
the
facilitator
of
making
themselves
available
not
on
that
date.
But
on
whatever
day
you
reschedule
it.
Mr
shelby,
that
is.
B
E
Not
well
rather
than
charter
review,
just
special
calls
a
special
call
workshop
on
on
the
charter.
Yes,
because
it's
really
not
a
review.
P
Couple
things
there
was
confusion
today
on
the
usf
student
government,
folks,
who
were,
I
think,
going
to
be
coming
and
they're
actually
going
to
be
coming
with
a
consent
of
this
council
on
april
21st,
and
I
would
motion
for
usf
student
government
instead
of
coming
today,
to
just
to
be
briefly
recognized
for
a
minute
at
the
start
of
the
meeting
on
that
day.
Yes,.
B
P
And
then
you
know
I
was
doing
some
reading
and
I
saw
that
the
first
woman,
apparently
who
came
on
to
tampa
police
department,
was
lenora
and
booth
who's.
Actually,
the
late
mother
of
clara
reynolds
with
the
crisis
center
was
from
1973,
which
next
year
would
be
50
years.
The
tampa
police
department
has
had
women
officers,
so
I
wanted
to
motion
to
request
the
administration
for
some
sort
of
a
memorial
or
something
for
50
years
of
women
police
officers,
beginning
with
lenora
and
and
since
that's
for
next
year.
P
I
would
love
to
see
that
during
women's
history
month,
if
at
all
possible
during
march
of
2023
and
and
that
maybe
they
can
come
back
with
an
idea
for
us
in
gosh.
Mr
shelby,
can
we
schedule
in
october
october.
B
P
B
20Th
under
staff
reports
will
be
the
date
and
that's
it
if
I
may
motion
from
councilman
vieira
secretary
miranda,
all
in
favor
all
right
all
right
any
opposed
anything
else.
No
sir,
thank
you
that
was.
That
was
a
great
motion
because
of
it
is
absolutely
we
have.
You
know
in
in
1971
the
first
woman
on
city,
council,
1973,
first
woman,
police
officer,
so
good.
Let
them
be
acknowledged.
They
deserve
it,
amen,
councilman
cetra,
thank.
K
You,
mr
chair,
as
many
of
you
know,
I
am
on
the
tampa
bay
regional
planning
council
and
this
last
two
days
there
has
been
a
regional
summit
for
our
resiliency
and
I
just
want
to
mention
that
city
of
champ
in
hillsborough
county
won
top
honors
with
awards
going
out
just
to
name
a
few
joe
lopano
with
tampa
international
airport.
One
won
the
hermann,
w
goldner
award,
the
build
environment
award,
went
to
harvest,
hope
park,
investment
plus
vision,
equals
change,
and
that
was
part
of
the
university
area.
Cdc!
Congratulations!
K
K
Conference,
congratulations
which
brings
me
to
my
motion
to
have
the
sustainability
and
resiliency
officer
to
appear
before
council
to
provide
an
update
on
the
resiliency
action
plan
that
was
presented
last
may
and
discuss
the
progress
work
that
we
have
made
and
the
upcoming
projects
and
objectives,
and
on
that
date,
council.
Excuse
me,
mr
chair,
I'm
looking
at
either
may
19th
or
may
5th,
which
is
ever
more
convenient.
K
K
No!
Yes,
that
that
would
be
fine
all.
B
P
Nothing,
that's
it.
Thank
you
sure,
yeah,
I
see
one
it.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
mention,
which
I
should
have
mentioned,
which
some
of
us
may
not
know
this,
but
one
of
the
earliest
women
police
officers
in
the
city
of
tampa
was
actually
joe,
greco's
mom.
So
a
lot.
N
B
You're
doing
good
you're
doing
good,
yes,
ma'am,
council
member,
her
attack.
B
F
You
all
seem
to
be
okay
with
limiting
the
number
of
accommodations.
If
you
disagree,
let
me
know,
but
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
each
council
member
to
limit
accommodations
to
five
each
per
year.
F
B
P
E
E
F
Yeah
I
was
asked
by
the
I
just
got
this
little
while
ago
I
was
asked
by
the
healthy
bones,
tampa
bay
coalition
to
pass
a
proclamation
for
may
as
osteoporosis
awareness
month.
I've
never
done
a
proclamation.
Do
we
do
proclamations.
F
J
E
F
F
F
Because
people
are
really
concerned
that
the
that
the
process
is
is
is
slow
and
it
could
be
budget
that
we
don't
have
enough
staff
or
it
could
be.
You
know
they
started
to
describe
what
the
solutions
were
so
anyway.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
development
staff
to
report
on
may
19
about
how
they
plan
to
reduce
the
time
for
permitting
and
land
use
applications
before
they
come
to
council.
F
B
C
I
H
B
B
P
B
Thank
you
very
much.
The
next
is
a
motion
to
present
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
interim
findings
by
consultant
acom,
aecom
15,
minute
presentation
april
21st
2022,
which
is
a
regular
meeting
motion.
B
And
then
I
have
a
request
that
we
pay
close
attention
that
I
pay
the
chairman
plate
in
general,
that
we
pay
close
attention
to
motions
made
under
new
business,
hear
out
the
entire
motion,
just
in
case
there
needs
to
be
discussion.
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
just
you
know:
that's
really
it
so.
Basically
what
I
typed
up
here,
my
type
tough
way
that
we
pay
close
attention
to
the
emotions
that
are
made
under
new
business
just
in
case
there's
no
need
for
discussion
or
not,
and
that's
it.
B
Oh
no,
I
got
I
got
them
here,
so
I
I'm,
you
know
tons
of
papers
so
another
one.
Is
the
local
housing
assist?
What
oh?
That
was
just.
A
B
B
A
B
The
local
housing
assistance
plan
for
a
presentation
to
come
to
council
april
21st
2022
to
to
present
the
final
lhap
findings
from
the
florida
housing
coalition
before
we
submit
it
prior
to
the
florida
housing
coalition
on
may
2,
so
that
we
get
this
local
housing
assistance
plan
outlining
how
grant
funds
will
be
used.
We
have
deadlines
of
may
2nd
2022
I'd
like
that
to
come
to
council
april
21st
202
at
9
00
a.m.
Exactly.
B
B
April
21st
under
staff
reports
correct
okay.
So
this
is
a
presentation
under
staff
reports
or
a
report
regarding
the
opportunities
on
prospectus
and
market
report
april
21st
under
staff
reports.
We.
P
E
A
B
The
april
28th
workshop
so
I'd
like
to
modify
my
previous
motion
so
that
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
interim
findings
by
the
consultant
acom.
A
15-minute
presentation
come
to
us
at
the
april
28th
workshop
meeting.
B
E
And,
mr
chairman,
if
that
is
going
to
be
a
presentation
by
aecom,
did
you
want
to
make
that
earlier
in
the.