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Thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
today,
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
facilitator
and
her
assistant
today,
miss
Ann
Schroeder
and
miss
Robin
Odegaard
Miss
Schroeder
joins
us
from
Florida
Institute
of
government
at
USF
go
bulls
for
over
two
decades.
She
has
worked
with
the
city
and
county
governments,
businesses
and
non-profit
organizations.
A
As
clients
have
included
NASA
Rider
systems,
Coca-Cola
American,
Lung
Association
and
the
Salvation
Army,
she
has
a
master's
degree
from
John
Hopkins
University
at
Baltimore.
In
addition,
Anne
earned
sort
of
certified
excuse
me
certificate
degree
in
advanced
carpentry,
along
with
her
husband,
Ed
personally
built
their
first
home
in
Fort
Myers
in
1979..
Also,
we
have
Robin
oldegaard
program,
planner
and
analyst
from
the
Florida
Institute
of
government
who
will
take
notes
of
the
proceedings
that
will
be
visible
on
the
screen.
A
E
321
Carrington
Street,
it's
a
pleasure
to
see
so
many
familiar
faces
and
when
I
say
that
what
I,
what
I
am
referring
to
is
our
our
common
service
on
the
charter
review.
Commission.
As
many
of
you
know,
I
had
the
pleasure
of
being
appointed
as
a
commissioner
and
serving
with
four
of
the
individuals
sitting
up
here
on
the
dice
today
and,
and
one
of
your
legal
staff
here
today
and
first
I
wanted
to
say,
I
applaud
you
for
taking
the
charter
very
very
seriously.
E
The
provisions
of
the
charter
heard
public
comment
at
every
single
meeting
that
we
did
so
in
the
sunshine
and
made
a
series
of
very
detailed
recommendations
that
were
ultimately
at
the
time
approved
by
Council
and
ultimately
approved
by
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
At
the
time
we
talked
and
debated
about
the
Cadence
of
review
of
the
charter,
and
we
made
a
recommendation
that
the
citizens
ultimately
approved
to
review
it
every
10
years.
E
I
believe
that
that's
the
proper
Cadence
for
it
I'm
not
suggesting
that
if
there
is
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
an
urgent
issue
but
I
would
caution
the
council
to
not
do
what
has
happened
with
the
Florida
Constitution
and
make
it
subject
to
things
that
would
otherwise
best
be
dealt
with
by
ordinance
or
by
other
actions
of
the
city.
Many
of
the
issues
that
are
going
to
be
talked
about
today
are
very
serious
issues.
They
do
need
to
be
addressed.
E
I
would
submit
to
either
that
they
likely
do
not
need
to
be
addressed
in
the
chart
or
they
can
be
addressed
by
ordinance
and
again.
What
caution
you
all
to
not
create
a
Cadence
here
today,
where
we're
reopening
our
Charter
frequently
and
making
the
charter
a
substitute
for
the
the
ordinance
book
so
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I
have
the
utmost
trusted
confidence
in
this
group
and
appreciate
all
that
you're
doing
for
the
City
of
Tampa.
Thank
you.
F
Good
morning,
Keela
mccaskill,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
this
Charter
review.
You
know
earlier
this
year
the
mayor
called
for
transparency
and
accountability
which,
which
I
think
is
great,
because
we
need
that
and
I
just
have
to
believe
that
that
was
her
effort
to
build
trust,
rebuild
Trust
of
the
administration
in
this
city,
particularly
the
citizens,
because,
as
you
all
know,
I
don't
have
to
rehash
that.
But
we've
seen
a
lot.
We
we've
seen
too
much
happen
and
I
believe
it
was
as
the
result
of
the
lack
of
sufficient.
F
So,
as
a
result
of
that,
we
know
that
one
way
out
of
that
is
to
you
know
to
to
adjust
the
charter
I
guess
at
one
time
they
mentioned
it
would
be.
You
know
it
would
go
before
outside
Council
I,
don't
know
if
we
would
trust
that
the
other
option
was
it
would
go
to
a
judge,
but
that's
only
if
there's
a
lawsuit,
so
I
would
feel
comfortable.
If
there
is
an
issue
or
is
there
an
issue
a
chart
or
if
there
is
a
matter
that
comes
before
Council?
F
That
is,
they
don't
agree
with,
because
we
still
don't
have
trust
with
the
state
of
the
attorney
I'd
like
it
to
go
a
request
to
go
to
the
attorney
general
that'd.
Be
the
process,
go
to
the
attorney
attorney
general
for
legal
opinion,
and
then
it
comes
back
because
I
believe
we
have
enough
of
those.
Then
in
fact
they
may
need
to
investigate
some
other
areas.
If
we
continue
to
have
issues
that
comes
before
the
Attorney
General.
So
that's
my
ask
for
that,
and
we,
the
people,
can
entrust
the
opinion
of
the
Attorney
General.
F
Another
one
is
to
address
conflicts
of
interest
as
it
relates
to
the
mayor
now.
City
council
has
to
address
that
in
writing,
and
sometimes,
if
you
don't
give
enough
detail,
they
question
that
I
want
to
know
how
you
address
today
and
even
going
forward.
How
do
we
resolve
the
issues
with
the
conflicts
of
interest
for
the
mayor?
F
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G
The
reason
I'm
here
this
morning
is
to
again
Echo
the
concerns
of
our
community
of
accountability.
We
believe
that
a
charter
review
board
should
hold
all
persons
accountable.
We
have
seen
things
transpire
in
our
communities
where
contracts
have
been
given
to,
and
then
we
financed
you
peeled
by
The
Onion
relationships
are
either
contracts
that
started.
One
way
ended
up
benefiting
others
where
the
community,
and
especially
African-American
communities,
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
bidding
on
the
first
end
of
it.
G
As
far
as
Charter
review
board
and
crb
I
can
tell
you
just
standing
here
and
being
a
member
of
the
NAACP.
It
was
that
organization
that
has
a
long
history
of
standing
in
behalf
of
citizens,
whether
it
was
through
the
lynching
of
black
people
in
the
NAACP
raised
the
banner
saying
that
another
black
man
was
lynched
as
naac
has
continued
to
rise
to
the
occasion
over
the
years
to
express
when
Night
Riders
the
clan
and
also
the
police
has
brutalized
our
community.
I
can
tell
you.
G
It
is
not
an
easy
task
coming
here
this
morning,
because
we
know
firsthand
in
history
of
black
people
when
we
have
stood
to
express
our
issues
regarding
ongoing
oppression,
police
brutality,
the
retaliation
that
comes
with
it
even
down.
Today
we
see
how
people
are
whether
it
was
members
of
the
NAACP
having
their
homes
exploded,
whether
we
just
see
a
recent
case
in
Miami
I
mean
in
New,
York
City,
where
men's
that
was
accused
of
killing
Malcolm
X
have
had
to
reach
a
36
million
dollar
settlement.
G
We
believe
that
if
this
city
is
to
move
forward,
why
not
trust
the
voters?
Why
not
trust
the
voters
and
put
it
on
the
ballot
to
ensure
that
we
can
be
guaranteed
trust
and
accountability?
What
we're
asking
for
is
that
the
city
removes
itself
as
being
the
legal
arms
and
the
eyes
of
the
crb
and
independent
Council
come
in
and
that
that
body
has
subpoena
power.
Why
not?
Everybody
is
being
held
to
a
level
of
accountability,
and
we
are
asked
in
that.
G
You
as
a
Democratic
Party
stand
in
behalf
of
the
community
that
has
been
so
oppressed
as
we
talk
about
voter
suppression
from
Tallahassee.
We
want
we're
watching
to
see
if
you
would
have
the
courage
as
Democrats
to
ensure
that
the
citizens
of
this
community
can
vote
their
choice.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
Don
Griggs.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
here
today,
I'm
here,
to
make
comment
on
the
issue
of
adding
subpoena
power
and
independent
Council
onto
the
ballot
for
the
citizens
of
Tampa.
To
vote
on
I
agree
that
we
need
more
accountability
and
oversight
into
the
Tampa
Police
Department
there's
been
a
number
of
cases.
H
I've
heard
a
lot
of
things
going
around
about
this
being
like
something
that
Fringe
groups
are
asking
for
for
the
kind
of
the
legal
things
that
are
going
to
come
along
with
this.
When
it
comes
to
the
types
of
judges
and
the
types
of
Courts,
it's
going
to
go
through
I
think
that
that
is
all
stuff
that
we
can
come
to
after
we
allow
citizens
to
vote
on
it.
I,
don't
think
you
should
stand
in
the
way
of
people
being
allowed
to
vote
on
this
issue
right.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
I
Hello,
my
name
is
Philip
and
I
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
giving
the
crb
subpoena
power
and
an
independent,
Council
and
I
wanted
to
say
that
the
giving
subpoena
power
to
the
crb
has
worked
in
cities
such
as
Miami
and
Key,
West
and
I
think
it
would
do
great
here
in
Tampa
as
well,
to
make
the
city
a
safer
place
for
everyone
living
within
it
and
I
think
that
giving
giving
the
people
the
power
to
vote
on
this
by
putting
it
on
the
ballot
would
help.
I
A
J
My
name
is
Laura
Rodriguez
and
I'm,
a
member
of
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee.
Good
to
see
you
all
here
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
charter,
Amendment
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important
to
allow
voters
to
vote
on
this.
It's
not
something
that
you
guys
are
deciding
it's
something
that
your
constituents
wants
and
honestly
allowing
voters
to
vote
on
methods
of
public
oversight
over
public
service
is
democratic
and
I.
J
Don't
think,
there's
anything
faulty
about
that
and
we
all
know
that
the
crb
reviews
his
closed
cases
of
the
disciplinary
actions
against
cases
of
police
misconduct
and
I
think
having
all
of
the
evidence
that
can
be
found,
whether
you
know
and
as
time
passes
more
evidence
can
come
up
from
the
original
case,
so
I
think
it
it'll
just
make.
Assessing
these
cases
and
the
severity
of
discipline
applied,
more
democratic
and
more
honest,
and
you
know,
as
one
of
these
so-called
Fringe
groups
I
think
it's
you're
not
listening
to
your
constituents.
J
I'm,
a
constituent
I've
lived
here
in
Tampa
for
10
years,
I
vote
I,
pay
my
taxes
and
to
diminish
what
our
group
is
doing
is
honestly,
like
you
guys
are
listening
to
us.
All.
We've
ever
asked
is
for
Democratic
demands,
we're
not
coming
up
here,
yelling
calling
y'all
names
this
and
the
other,
but
yeah.
J
So
we
think
that
this
is
just
a
democratic
power
that
the
people
need
to
vote
on.
Thank
you.
K
Hello,
my
name
excuse
me,
hello.
My
name
is
Taylor
cook
I'm,
a
member
of
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee.
I'm
also
here
to
speak
in
favor,
of
letting
the
people
vote
on
subpoena
power,
because
it's
kind
of
insane
that
this
is
such
a
big
debate.
When
it's
really
we're
just
asking
you
to
let
us
vote
I,
don't
understand
how
we're
supposed
to
be
a
progressive
Ford
City
and
when
we
have
to
beg
to
be
able
to
vote
on
an
issue
that
people
care
about
and
that
people
have
shown
that
they
want.
K
People
want
more
transparency
in
Tampa.
After
seeing
cases
like
Jonas
Joseph
and
Dominique
Mulkey
people,
black
men
who
were
just
killed
for
one,
a
bag
of
chips,
another
I
don't
know
what
he
was
killed
for
because
the
case
was
covered
up
three
different
times.
So
we
want
subpoena
power.
But
we
want
to
vote
on
this
Democratic
demand.
We
want
to
be
able
to
vote
in
the
March
ballot.
K
We
don't
want
to
have
to
come
here
and
beg
to
be
able
to
vote
for
things
that
the
people
want,
and
that
would
help
the
people
and
because
we
live
here-
and
this
affects
us-
the
police
affect
us.
I
can
hear
their
helicopters
at
3am
every
night,
so
we
just
want
more
transparency.
We
want
more
accountability.
We
don't
understand
why
the
police
are
so
afraid
of
accountability.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
L
Excuse
me
hi.
My
name
is
David
Jones
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee,
I'm,
also
speaking
in
favor,
of
putting
subpoena
subpoena
power
on
this
March
ballot
as
it
stands
right
now,
we're
truly
not
asking
for
a
lot
we're,
not
even
asking
for
it
to
be
pushed
through,
because
that's
not
something
you're
able
to
do
right
now.
L
You
know
the
actual
subpoena
power
reaction.
We're
asking
that
you
allow
the
citizens
of
Tampa
to
vote
on
it.
You
know
allowing
both
like
city
council
I.
Don't
excuse
me
allowing
Buffalo
the
police
department,
as
well
as
like
the
city
office,
to
persuade
y'all
away
from
putting
it
on
the
ballot
putting
it
in
the
face
of
like
the
community
is
undemocratic.
It's
a
neat.
L
It's
essentially
kneecaping
democracy,
something
that
this
country
and
the
cities
were
built
on,
allegedly
allowing
for
the
voices
of
the
people
to
be
shut
down
before
it's
even
allowed
to
you
know
form.
It
is
like
a
moral
is
not
right
and
it's
something
that
y'all
should
actively
fight
against.
L
The
issue
is
like
right
now
in
the
city:
people
don't
feel
that
the
police
is
actively
working
in
their
interest.
People
do
not
trust
the
police
in
the
city.
If
they
did,
we
wouldn't
have
to
come
up
here.
If
they
did,
this
conversation
wouldn't
have
had
to
start
in
the
first
place.
If
they
did,
the
crb
wouldn't
have
had
to
exist.
In
the
first
place,
it
exists
solely
because
the
police
was
lacking,
trust.
L
It
exists
solely
because
the
people
in
Tampa
saw
that
it
saw
that
they
were
not,
you
know,
being
actively
represented
by
their
police
or
whatever.
So
you
know,
if
that
issue
can't
fix
itself
on
its
own,
then
something
needs
to
be
done.
Measures
need
to
be
taken
in
order
to
like
cause
real
change,
to
make
things
better
yeah.
L
So
once
again,
just
asking
that
y'all
put
a
lot
of
folks
to
vote,
allow
the
people
to
vote,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
who
knows
what
we
need
better
than
us,
yeah
and
I
say
this
as
a
district,
seven
resident
and
like
true
for
the
matter
is,
like
you
know,
we're
prepared
to
rally
and
campaign
regardless
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
campaign
around
this
issue.
L
But
if
it,
if
need
bees,
we
will
campaign
against
y'all,
because
silencing
the
people
before
they're
allowed
to
speak
is
not
something
that
should
be
done
by
City
leadership.
Thank
y'all.
N
Good
morning
my
name
is
Joseph
nahaba
again
member
of
the
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee.
Here
again
before
you
ask
you
all
to
do
the
right
thing
and
allow
independent,
Council
and
subpoena
power
to
be
given
to
you
know
the
hands
of
the
voters
to
decide-
and
this
is
a
very
or
should
be
a
very
easy
decision
for
you
all,
because,
really
again,
all
we're
asking
is
to
just
simply
step
aside
right
and
allow
the
people
to
decide
what
they
want
and
clearly
what
they
want.
N
What
they've
shown,
what
they're
coming
out
for
and
have
spoken
about,
you
know
publicly,
is
for
the
crb
to
be
given
these
Powers.
You
know,
but
why
right,
why?
Why
is
there
this
distrust?
Why
is
there
this
issue
of
you
know
secrecy
right
about
this
whole
issue.
Why
is
tpd?
Why
is
the
mayor's
office
so
afraid
of
accountability
and
transparency,
I
mean
as
the
police
or
so
you
know
want
to
say.
If
you
know
you've
got
nothing
to
hide,
then
you
know:
what's
the
problem
right?
N
Well,
that's
what
I
would
say
to
them
that
if
they
really
and
truly
have
nothing
to
hide,
then
this
should
be
a
very
easy
controversy-free
decision
for
them
to
make.
But
you
know,
obviously
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
they
have
a
history
of
misconduct
right,
as
someone
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
the
cases
of
Dominic
Mulkey
Jonas
Joseph,
but
you
know
also
a
little
more
mundane
things
like
blowing
money
out
of
you
know,
strip
clubs
and
gold
teeth,
and
this
sort
of
thing
right.
It's
it's
just
it's
strange.
It's
bizarre
and
I.
N
Don't
know
why,
as
you
know,
supposed
public
servants
police
are
held,
you
know
to
this.
Amazingly
accountability,
free
standard,
right,
I,
don't
think
the
city's
you
know,
sanitation
workers
or
the
district's
teachers
right
are
free
of
any
kind
of
scrutiny.
Why
the
police?
What
gives
them
the
right
to
be
free
of
any
kind
of
scrutiny,
free
of
any
kind
of
Investigation
I?
Don't
understand
it
I,
don't
think
a
lot
of
the
people
here
do
either.
So
again,
all
we're
asking
for
is
for
you
all
to
step
aside
right.
N
A
O
Hey
I'm,
Dave,
Coleman
and
I
was
here
a
couple
of
weeks
ago:
transparency
and
accountability.
Those
things
on
what
I'm
hearing
so
far
this
morning
would
create
trust.
I
have
attended
seven
of
like
eight,
approximately,
that
gun
violence
listening
sessions
that
tpd
has
put
on
and
constantly
over
and
over
again,
the
chief
asks
for
trust
from
the
community.
O
O
I
started
going
to
to
to
those
meetings
and
back
in
February,
I
asked
about
the
the
social
worker
ride-along
program.
O
That's
not
part
of
the
crb,
but
it's
something
that
the
police
department
was
doing
and
it's
a
really
watered
down
program
and
I
was
told
over
and
over
that
they're
designing
it
for
Tampa
they're,
not
copying
St,
Pete
or
Eugene.
What's
so
hard
to
understand
about
a
non-emergency
number
that
a
social
worker
shows
up
on
a
mental
health
issue,
why
can't
we
advance
new
ideas
on
what's
so
wrong
about
providing
a
lawyer?
What's
so
difficult
about
providing
a
lawyer
to
the
crb?
O
You
have
an
opportunity
to
I'm
just
repeating
myself
again
and
again,
but
I
had
this
whole
speech
going
on,
but
you
have
an
opportunity
to
create
trust,
not
demand
it
and
and
a
police
force.
What
kind
of
a
word
is
that
a
police
force
you
know
on
recently
and
I
know
it
had
to
do
with
the
death
of
of
of
an
officer.
But
what
is
a
giant
lion
head?
You
know
about
to
Devour
the
the
bad
guys
in
this
city.
O
What
kind
of
message
do
you
are
you
trying
to
send
to
the
to
the
people
that
are
living
on
Main
Street?
You
know,
I
wrote
all
this
down.
Somebody
brought
up
Dominic
Mulkey
a
Citizens
review
board
that
actually
had
some
power
and
was
able
to
relate
with
the
community
could
answer
some
questions.
Why
do
the
police
say
that
that
that
incident
happened
blocks
away
from
the
store?
It
was
merely
down
the
sidewalk
from
where
the
store
was?
O
Why
were
there
so
many
gun
bullet
holes
in
the
fence
that
I
put
my
finger
in
as
we
went
there
for
the
vigil.
Why
were
were
the
houses,
the
houses
in
the
background,
lit
up
with
bullets?
What
direction
they
they
there's?
A
video
a
screenshot
was
released
of
him.
Turning
a
second
screenshot
where
originally
there
was
a
video
and
I.
O
Don't
know
where
that
video
is
anymore,
where
he
was
walking
hunched
over
with
his
arm
down
like
this
away
from
the
police,
while
the
police
officer
dropped
the
clip
and
added
another
freaking
clip
and
fired
again,
but
only
two
bullets
hit
this
man.
What
you
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something:
to
make
the
crb
stronger
and
to
follow
up
with
what
you
unanimously
voted
for
last
time.
I
was
here
as
far
as
the
social
worker
ride-along
program,
to
do
nothing
with
it.
They
want
to
weaken
nothing
program
that
will
go
nowhere
and
do
nothing.
P
Good
morning,
James
Michael
Shaw
Jr
I'm
a
volunteer
attorney
with
the
ACLU
of
Florida
and
taking
off
of
work
to
be
here
today,
like
a
lot
of
people
behind
me
are,
but
not
all
of
them.
Some
of
them
are
being
paid
to
be
here.
I,
don't
have
much
to
say
that
I
haven't
already
said,
but
but
I
do
want
to
address
a
couple
of
things.
P
I
understand
that
each
of
you
were
paid
a
visit
recently
to
discuss
this
and,
and
you
were
told
that
it
would
cost
a
million
dollars
a
year
to
have
an
independent
attorney
and
subpoena
Authority,
and
the
statistic
that
was
cited
was
that
that's
what
it
cost
Miami
I
bet.
You
weren't
told
this
Miami
employs
a
director,
an
assistant
director,
a
senior
policy
analyst
Three
Investigators,
an
independent
attorney
and
administrative
aide.
Those
salaries
are
what
cost
a
million
dollars.
P
P
The
reason
that
you
need
to
have
a
subpoena
Authority
is
so
that
the
civilian
invested,
so
that
the
civilian
review
board
can
issue
subpoenas
to
non-party
Witnesses.
Ask
your
legislative
aides.
If
the
PBA
Chief
made
this
gesture
at
Frank
Reddick,
they
saw
it,
but
when
the
professional
Sanders
Bureau
investigated,
they
talked
to
two
or
three
people
who
said
I,
didn't
see
it
and
concluded
that
it
never
happened.
That's
why
it
needs
to
have
subpoena
Authority.
Now
I
want
to
talk
to
you.
Also
about
the
the
idea
that
Fringe
groups
are
what's
supporting.
P
This
I
saw
some
of
you
at
the
NAACP
Freedom
fun
dinner
a
couple
of
Fridays
ago
and
don't
tell
me
the
NAACP
is
a
fringe
group.
You
ate
their
chicken,
you
listened
to
their
speakers,
you
applauded
and
then,
and
then
two
Tuesdays
from
now
you're
gonna
vote
like
they're,
a
fringe
group,
because
somebody
told
you
that
they
were
the
American
civil
liberties.
Union
of
Florida
is
not
a
fringe
group.
P
The
people
that
are
in
this
room
took
the
time
off
of
work
because
they
can
we're
all
here
on
behalf
of
the
people
who
can't
the
people
want
to
vote
on
this,
we
had
a
we
commissioned.
A
third
party
poll,
82
percent
of
the
voters
want
to
vote
on
this.
You
were
asked
less
by
your
individual
visits
to
position
yourselves
in
between
the
voters
and
voting
on
something
that
the
voters
want
to
vote
on,
to
stop
them
from
doing
that,
that's
what
you
were
asked
to
do.
P
Don't
do
it
think
about
what
you
what
you
were
thinking
when
you
first
sought
office,
were
you
seeking
office
to
position
yourself
in
between
the
will
of
the
voters
and
their
right
to
vote
on
something
or
were
you
were
you
were
you
seeking
office
so
that
you
can
represent
the
people
that
you
represent?
Thank
you.
Q
Good
morning,
Yvette
Lewis,
president
of
the
NAACP,
first
of
all,
we've
been
around
since
1909..
We
ain't
going
nowhere.
Q
Q
Every
time
we
come
down
here
and
when
I
say
we
I'm
speaking
as
an
African-American,
we
come
down
here,
begging,
asking
and
pleading
for
your
help
for
your
assistance
with
something
I.
Don't
quite
understand.
Why
we're
the
only
race
in
this
city
that
has
to
beg
to
get
the
simplest
things?
But
yet
you
come
to
our
community.
You
sit
there
Zip
T,
you
sit
there
come
to
us
and
have
dinner
with
us
and
we
get
nothing.
But
you
want
our
vote.
You
want
our
support.
Q
I,
don't
understand
why
we
have
to
continue
to
go
through
this
with
y'all.
Let's
say
it
started
back
with
our
ancestors:
let's
go
back
to
the
African-American
cemeteries
that
we
still
haven't
resolved
the
issue
on
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
because
the
land
was
stolen,
We,
Didn't,
Start
biking,
while
black
with
the
police
department
it
started
with
us.
Q
They
started
that
we
didn't
start
crime-free
housing,
renting
wild
black.
They
started
with
us.
We
did
not
start
this.
We
want
to
live
in
a
diverse
City.
We
want
to
live
where
we
have
a
voice
and
what
we
can
have
an
opportunity
for
our
kids
to
go
out
and
play
being
ACP
want
a
safe
community,
but
we
want
people
to
be
held
accountable.
Q
The
hardest
thing
in
the
the
most
frightening
thing
is:
when
you
riding
down
the
street-
and
you
see
them
blue
lights,
get
behind
you
because
you
don't
know,
what's
going
to
entail
hell,
they
feel
their
life.
I
fear
my
life
and
I'm,
the
president,
all
we're
asking
for
you
to
do
and
if
you
want
me
to
say
it
all
we
begging
you
to
do
is
just
vote
to
put
it
on
a
battle
and
let
it
stand
up
or
down
give
it
to
the
people.
Q
Q
Q
The
city
has
tried
to
shut
us
down
because
we
stand
up
and
fight
for
the
people.
We're
gonna
keep
fighting,
because
this
organization
has
been
around
since
1909.
We
ain't
going
nowhere,
so
whoever
you
send
as
your
type
dogs
I
promise
you
I
promise.
You
I
got
a
legal
department
that
will
shut
it
down
and
embark
on
this
city
and
we
will
have
an
all-out
legal
War.
R
R
One
is
through
our
years
of
serving
on
the
board
working
with
various
staff
members
of
the
Tampa
Police
Department.
We
have
made
and
I
say
we
board.
Members
have
made
all
types
of
requests
in
reference
to
the
Town
Police
Department
matters,
every
single
request,
a
request
that
was
fulfilled.
R
We
had
100
percent
support
from
the
Town
Police
Department,
and
everything
that
we
had
asked
for
reference
to
policy
statistics,
presentation
things
of
that
nature.
We
have
not
yet
seen
or
need
subpoena
power.
As
of
the
to
this
moment,
it
has
not
gotten
the
way
of
us
doing
our
responsibilities
to
the
city,
not
stating
we
may
not
need
it
in
the
future,
but
as
of
at
this
point,
it
has
not
created
any
type
of
hurdle
and
that's
doing
our
due
diligence
and
serving
this
community.
R
The
other
statement
is
that
we
did
take
to
consideration
in
discussion
on
our
agenda
and,
however,
we
do
represent
the
people.
This
is
a
democratic
system
that
is
envious
to
the
world,
so
we
do
have
responsibility
to
up
a
whole,
such.
R
Such
stage
so
in
saying
that
we
did
take
a
vote
and
the
members
did
vote
unanimously
to
allow
this
subject
to
be
put
on
about.
So
it
was
an
unanimous
vote
taken
with
the
citizen
review
board.
So
I
want
that
to
take
consideration,
as
well
as
the
support
of
every
request
fulfilled.
Every
Quest
asked
by
members
of
the
citizenry
board
has
been
fulfilled.
110
percent-
and
as
of
this
point,
we
haven't,
we
had
no
need
or
have
not
seen
any
value
in
reference
to
even
obtaining
such
power
or
subpoena
power.
Thank
you.
R
S
S
So
transparagement
Shelby
I
did
meet
with
the
chief
on
Friday
I
didn't
tell
her.
They
would
be
making
a
phone
call
to
the
crb
chairman.
I
did
speak
with
him
for
about
20
minutes
on
the
phone
Friday
evening.
I
believe
yes,
and
he
did
share
his
concerns
with
me.
S
I
won't
air
all
of
the
information
we
talked
about
what
he
did
talk
about
the
vote
and
some
of
the
issues
I
want
to
make
that
clear
for
transparency
that
he
did
tell
me
what
transpired
during
their
time
his
time
at
the
chairman
on
the
board.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
Some
people
are
handsome
and
then
they
begin
to
believe
that
they
look
so
good
that
they
have
certain
rights
over
other
people
and
they
think
their
looks
would
get
them
places,
but
in
the
real
world
it
don't
work
like
that.
That's
not
how
the
real
world
works.
When
people
get
real,
then
people
need
Real,
Results,
real
solutions,
real
suggestions,
people
need
real
representation,
they
need
real
transparency,
they
need
real
accountability.
T
They
don't
need
Talking
Heads,
who
would
think
in
this
city
who
would
think
in
this
world
who
would
think
in
this
world
in
this
whole
world,
with
everything
that's
going
on
from
immigration,
to
separation,
to
separation
from
rights
who
would
think
in
this
world
that
an
African
man
blackened
in
me
would
stand
before
this
podium
and
say
we
don't
need
accountability.
T
We
don't
need
subpoena
power.
Who
would
say
that
who,
in
their
right
mind
would
say
that
you
couldn't
get
Jeff
vanic
to
come
down
here
and
say
that,
but
he
probably
could
but
because
everything's
right
with
it,
you
can
get
the
police
to
say
that,
because
they
know
everything's
not
right
with
them,
they're
quite
familiar
with
the
fact
that
everything's
not
right
with
them.
They
know
how
to
abuse
us
inside
our
communities.
They
know
how
to
abuse
us
when
they
get
us
one
and
one.
They
know
how
they
abuse
Us
in
public.
T
They
know
they
are
they
supposed
to
uphold
the
Constitution
they
supposed
to
hold
a
Bill
of
Rights.
They
supposed
to
hold
Articles
of
Confederation
they
supposed
to
uphold
1776,
Independence
and
250
years
later,
and
we
black
people
down
here
still
begging
for
Independence
and
the
police
still
catch
you
on
the
street
and
ask
you,
may
I
search,
you
may
I
search
your
car,
they
no
good
in
MF
and
well.
You
can
ask
them
that
question.
You
can
ask
them
that
question.
T
If
they
had
a
dead
body
inside
their
home,
you
can
actually
they'll,
say
no
go
and
get
a
subpoena
yeah
go
and
get
a
subpoena.
So
that's
what
the
people
need.
The
people
need
transparency.
We
need
something
and
everyone
should
have
a
voice.
But
what
you
heard
before
me
right
here,
that's
not
a
voice.
That's
someone!
That's
influenced
and
corrupt
by
a
corrupt
system
that
we're
trying
to
get
straight.
The
people
need
subpoena
power.
The
city
needs
it
because
the
city
needs
transparency
and
they
need
it.
They
should
be
up
here
asking
for
it.
U
Good
morning,
I'm
Mauricio
I'm,
a
member
of
the
students
for
Democratic
Society,
and
that's
exactly
what
we
want.
I
believe
that
we
should
be
able
to
vote
on
subpoena
power
and
give
the
crb
the
ability
to
investigate
and
have
their
own
lawyers.
As
he
said,
the
person
before
me.
We
know
that
Tampa
Bay
is
kind
of
known
for
running
like
a
mob.
U
They
keep
their
crimes
hidden
secret
and
it
only
comes
to
light
after
we
push
and
push,
and
maybe
someone
has
some
video
evidence,
and
so
if
we
want
accountability
and
Justice
from
Tampa
Bay
PD
we're
going
to
need
some
transparency
and
so
I
hope
you
guys
allow
us
to
vote
on
subpoena
power
and
crb.
Thank
you.
V
Hi,
my
name
is
Enya
me
and
my
family
have
lived
in
Tampa
for
the
past
15
years
and
I'm
here
to
speak
in
support
of
letting
the
people
vote
on
giving
the
civilian
review
board
subpoena
power
and
independent
Council.
V
In
my
time,
living
here,
I
can
remember
countless
moments
where
the
police
department
betrayed
the
public
trust
for
you
know
in
so
many
words
and
accountability
increases
the
public
trust
every
job
requires
accountability
and
I.
Think
it's
extra
important
when
the
decisions
you
make
at
your
job
are
a
matter
of
life
and
death.
V
I
think
this
is
a
democratic
demand.
It's
letting
the
people
vote
on.
It
I
think
it's
very
undemocratic
that
other
forces
in
the
city
of
Tampa
are
trying
to
sway
your
you
guys
from
taking
this
decision
away
from
the
people.
So
I
hope
that
you
will
make
the
right
decision
and
allow
the
people
of
Tampa
to
decide.
So
thank
you.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Simon
Rowe
I've
spoken
here
before
I'm
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
ballot
measure,
but
to
do
that
I
want
to
clarify,
like
some
things,
about
subpoena
power,
based
on
what
I've
heard.
Personally,
basically,
we
want
regular
people
who
live
in
Tampa
to
have
a
chance
to
vote
on
this,
like
you've.
W
Seen
me
before
you've
seen
a
couple
of
people
here
before
we're
lucky
to
be
able
to
come
to
these,
but
not
everyone
is,
and
if
something
that
a
lot
of
people
in
Tampa
are
able
to
do
is
access
a
ballot
box
right
now,
so
that'd
be
a
perfect
way
to
get
their
feedback,
so
we
are
also
while
we
are
advocating
for
subpoena
power.
We
are
well
aware
that,
because
of
the
law
enforcement
officer,
Bill
of
Rights,
you
cannot
subpoena
police
officers
directly.
W
We
are
aware
of
that,
but
we
still
want
the
CRV
to
have
subpoena
power.
We
still
think
it'd
be
important
for
them
to
have.
It
also
heard
mentioning
that,
like
subpoena
power,
is
some
outlandish
strange
thing
for
like
a
public
body
to
have
when
several
Departments
of
the
city
have
the
Civil
Service
Board,
the
human
rights
board,
the
code
enforcement
board
and
think
sorry,
referencing,
one
article
like
even
the
subpoena
subpoena
power
is
what
city
council
has
I.
W
Think
and
imagine
if
someone
insinuated
that,
because
you
all
have
that
power,
you
were
going
to
like
violate
people's
rights.
No,
that's
not
what
this
is.
It's
a
very
common
feature
of
our
justice
system:
it's
not
a
violation
of
rights
to
subpoena
people,
but
when
people
don't
know
about
it
and
it's
hyped
up
as
this
big
evil
thing,
it's
a
fairly
common
sense
to
man.
That's
why
several
other
cities
here
in
Florida
have
subpoena
power,
even
with
leopore
I.
W
Think
it's
something
important
to
have
I,
don't
know
to
speak
more
personally,
because
thinking
back
about
like
the
crb
members
comments
about
like
the
hurt,
like
people
do
get
hurt
by
police
in
2021,
I
was
arrested
for
trespassing
and
when
I
was
arrested
during
a
pat
down
the
officer
grabbed
the
Packer
I
had
in
my
pants
and
squeezed
it,
it
was
very
violating.
W
It
really
upset
me
as
a
trans
person.
It
did
not
make
me
feel
safe
in
my
own
body.
This
is
not
something
unique
to
me.
This
is
something
a
lot
of
people
experience,
I'm,
just
one
person,
and
even
here
in
Tampa,
like
Jenny
de
Leon,
who
was
murdered
a
year
before
her
murder
was
choked
out
and
tased
by
hcso
officer,
and
we
didn't
even
see
the
body
cam
footage.
We
didn't
even
know
what
happened
until
someone
had
to
get
that
information.
Someone
put
in
an
office
request
in
tally.
Please
let
our
stories
be
heard.
X
This
is
not
like
a
fun
day
at
the
park
for
us,
and
people
clearly
support
this
military,
militarized
police.
Sorry,
it
doesn't
keep
us
safe,
it
doesn't
keep
the
people
of
Tampa
safe,
but
police
accountability
can-
and
this
is
the
first
step
towards
that.
So
why
shouldn't
the
people
be
allowed
to
vote
to
keep
themselves
safe.
Y
Good
morning,
Council
Kelly
Benjamin,
504,
Fern
Street
Tampa
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
some
of
the
comments
from
our
fellow
members
of
the
community
and
provide
some
historical
perspective.
Many
of
you
were
here
several
years
ago
when
this
issue
was
first
brought
in
front
of
the
council.
Seven
years
ago,
when
chairman
Reddick
stood
sat
where
you
are
sitting
today.
Y
Councilman
citro
and
the
motivation
for
accountability
and
creating
a
better
relationship
with
the
police
department
came
out
of
some
of
the
issues
that
were
in
the
news
at
the
time,
obviously
Viking,
while
black,
but
also
incidences
that
occurred
with
interactions
with
the
police
department,
the
horrible
death
of
Jason
Westcott
and
a
few
other
people
that
have
been
in
in
the
news.
Y
This
latest
attempt,
and-
and
it's
it's
really
unfortunate
and
shocking-
that
it's
been
seven
years-
that
the
community
has
been
asking
this
board
for
a
sense
of
accountability,
a
sense
of
a
say
in
the
way
that
communities
are
policed.
That's
all
it
is
to
create
a
better
relationship.
I
know
some
of
you
up.
There
are
Scholars
of
local
history,
the
history
of
Tampa,
the
history
of
our
nation,
we've
seen
some
progress,
I
hope
over
the
last
50
years
during
the
Civil
Rights
movement.
During
what
what
happened?
Y
What
transpired
here,
where,
as
as
councilman
Vieira,
has
pointed
out
on
his
crusade
to
create
lynching
memorials
in
the
city.
We
know
the
history
of
this
city
and
we
know
that
there's
a
legacy
that
still
exists
with
parts
of
the
establishment
here,
a
legacy
with
segments
and
I
think
we
can
do
better,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
that
all
of
you
have,
as
elected
representatives,
to
help
create
the
kind
of
community
that
we
want
to
raise
our
children
in
moving
forward.
Y
This
is
not,
and
it
should
not
be
seen-
and
it's
so
sad
that
some
people
see
this
as
some
big
adversarial
thing.
That's
anti-law
enforcement
that
somehow
Fringe
you
know
it's
it.
It
shows
that
you,
you
live
in
a
little
bit
of
a
bubble
when
you
say
that
there's
Fringe
groups
out
here
and
try
and
marginalize
all
the
people
out
here
who
have
been
asking
for
some
very
clear
standards,
subpoena
power
and
I.
Y
Think
there's
some
issues
that
maybe
the
City
attorney
should
be
considering
in
terms
of
who
she
who
who
this
City
attorney
represents
here.
I
I
urge
this
Council
to
move
the
city
forward
today
with
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
this
issue
and
and
finally
get
you
know
and
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
why
you
know
that
original
push
failed
seven
years
ago,
when
Buck
Court
created
an
executive
order
and
put
all
of
his
people
on
that
Council.
Y
So
there's
a
reason
why
today,
maybe
some
of
these
investigations
aren't
happening
properly
on
the
crb
and
I?
Think
it's
important
to
address
that
issue
and
important
to
address
the
issue
that
we
had
appointments
that
are,
you
know,
pushed
and
tugged
by
mayor
Castro
to
make
sure
that
certain
people
are
not
allowed
on
that
that
board
I.
Think
it's
it's
unfortunate.
Y
Z
Good
morning,
Mr
chairman
honorable
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Kimberly
Hindman
I'm,
the
chief
assistant
State
Attorney,
here
in
the
state
attorney's
office
in
the
13th
circuit
I'm
here
today
to
address
the
issue
of
subpoena
power
with
the
citizens
review
board.
Z
Our
office
stands
for
the
same
principles
as
the
city
of
transparency
and
review.
However,
today
what
I
want
to
talk
about
and
I
know,
Mr
Wiseman
who's,
our
executive
director
has
talked
with
the
council
before
has
talked
with
some
of
you
individually
before
my
goal.
My
purpose
here
today
is
to
talk
about
how
this
affects
the
state
attorney's
office
and
the
function
of
the
state
attorney's
office.
Z
In
addition
to
the
issues
that
some
of
the
other
speakers
have
talked
about,
where
you
have
to
navigate
what
subpoena
power
means,
which
is,
is
that
transactional
immunity?
Is
it
use
immunity?
Z
What's
the
judicial
oversight
over
that
almost
every
one
of
these
cases
involves
a
corresponding
prosecution
and
a
civil
body
acting
and
taking
statements
from
people
creates
problems
with
our
cases.
That's
simply
the
bottom
line.
We
have
had
this
position
since
we
began
the
discussion
about
Saint,
subpoena
power.
I.
Think,
really
in
2017
that
position
Remains
the
Same
today
our
concerns
correspond
to
our
ability
to
prosecute
offenders,
bring
people
to
Justice
and
do
the
work.
The
state
attorney's
office
is
required
to
do
here
in
Hillsborough.
A
AA
S
Davis
chairman,
thank
you
Shelby.
My
question
would
be
today.
You
know
if
you're
saying
this
in
the
European
State
the
hills,
broadcasting
attorney.
What
makes
what
you're
saying
different
than
what
Dave
and
Broward,
and
so
many
others
are
doing,
seems
like
a
conflict
here.
If
you're
telling
me
that
it
will
hinder
versus
they've,
been
doing
it
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
difference
in
mail.
Z
This
is
for
the
public,
I
understand
and
councilman
Goods
I
can't
speak
to
those
other
jurisdictions
and
what
they
do
because
I
don't
operate
there.
I
can
only
tell
you
that
our
office
has
given
this
care
for
consideration
and
talked
about
how
it
affects
our
cases
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
address
this
morning.
Thank
you.
Yep.
AB
Good
morning
my
name
is
EJ
salcinas
and
I
have
been
asked
to
share
with
you
some
of
my
experiences
and
my
career
in
law
enforcement.
Here
I
was
asked
earlier
in
the
preceding.
Does
the
city
council,
in
your
opinion,
have
authority
to
create
a
subpoena
power?
I
would
think
that,
under
your
home
rule,
your
attorneys
will
tell
you.
Yes,
it
is
established
that
you
have
authority
to
create
a
subpoena
power.
AB
AB
AB
The
resident,
State
Attorney's
office
has
the
judicial
authority
to
issue
subpoena
not
just
to
testify,
but
to
produce
documents
and
records
called
subpoena
Duchess
tecum.
The
second
most
powerful
is
your
county,
grand
jury,
the
county,
grand
jury
exists
and
every
one
of
our
67
counties
they
generally
are
presided
by
the
chief
judge
of
the
circuit.
AB
What?
If
the
person
refuses
to
appear?
What?
If
the
person
refuses
to
bring
forth
the
documents
that
you
are
subpoenaing
as
the
citizens
review
board,
you
do
not
have
authority
to
conduct
a
contempt
proceeding
that
is
done
exclusively
by
an
independent
judicial
functionary
that
we
call
a
judge.
Therefore,
the
subpoena
power
is
based
on
a
Judicial
function
and
not
an
administrative
function.
So
sooner
or
later,
if
you
created
The
subpoena
power,
your
board
would
have
to
ask
a
Judicial
officer
in
the
circuit
or
the
county
to
intervene
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
AB
Yes,
sir,
in
closing,
let
me
say
that,
with
the
subpoena
power,
you
cannot
forget
to
the
Constitutional
guarantees
that
are
guaranteed
to
all
citizens
under
the
constitution
of
the
State
of
Florida,
as
well
as
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States,
namely
the
Fifth
Amendment.
If
someone
refuses,
you
cannot
compel
the
person.
AB
If
you
were
in
front
of
a
Judicial
officer,
then
other
issues
could
come
up.
I
alert
you
that
by
giving
a
a
local
committee
a
subpoena
power,
the
other
problem
is
the
Mind
feel
that
you
are
creating
for
that
agency
and
that
is
by
subpoenaing
someone
or
documents.
Are
you
creating
a
transactional
immunity,
a
use,
immunity,
limited
immunity,
plenary
immunity?
Those
are
issues
that
are
very
complicated
and
I
urge
you
have
your
City
attorney
review
those
issues
with
you
so
that
you
can
proceed
constitutionally
and
in
compliance
with
your
wishes
to
serve
the
community.
AC
Good
morning,
Council
Brandon
Barclay,
vice
president
Tampa
PBA
I'm
here
today
discuss
the
crb
for
two
years.
We
helped
negotiate
the
crb
rules,
and
here
we
are
yet
again
and
avoiding
that
entire
two-year
debate.
Let's
cut
straight
to
the
facts,
the
crb
has
not
requested
or
voted
on,
giving
yourself
their
own
power.
You
just
heard
from
the
chairman
himself,
who
said
they
don't
even
need
it.
A
four-year
request,
though,
however,
did
show
that
Mr
Shaw,
the
ACLU
and
Mr
Valdez
on
the
crb
have
been
in
working
extensively
together
to
push
Mr
Shaw's
agenda.
AC
This
is
clearly
laid
out
in
their
emails,
which
indicates
that
there's
a
telephone
calls
and
Zoo
meetings
which
took
which
take
place
regularly
between
the
two
Mr
Shaw's
claim.
That's
for
transparency
that
this
transparency
narrative
is
false.
This
is
about
advancing
the
ACLU,
its
attorney
and
one
crb
member's
opinions,
and
their
agenda
is
fairness.
It's
fairness
to
everybody,
except
for
the
Tampa
police
officer,
and
for
that
we're
going
to
mend
our
entire
Charter
there's
six
levels
of
review
for
a
law
enforcement
officer
in
the
State
of
Florida
I,
know.
I
noticed.
AC
Nobody
here
clearly
laid
that
out
for
you,
criminal
justice,
training,
commission,
Internal,
Affairs
criminal
investigations,
Bureau
State,
Attorney's,
Office
FDLE.
All
of
these
organizations
watch
over
everything.
That's
done
for
them
to
say:
there's.
Zero
accountability
is
laughable
of
the
47
crb
cases
that
have
been
heard.
Only
four
of
those
cases
resulted
in
a
different
recommendation
of
the
47
cases.
Only
four
of
them
was
there
a
disagreement
that
have
currently
been
heard.
AC
AC
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Good
morning,
Carlos
Valdez
I
am
a
member
of
the
crb
and
I
just
want
to
share
and
state
that,
like
my
communication
with
Mr
Shaw
was
to
get
educated
on
different
items
and
aspects
as
it
relates
to
the
discussion
as
it
relates
to
putting
the
these
issues
on
the
ballot.
So
we
did
had
just
one
discussion.
It
was
not
a
relatively
long
discussion
or
any
type
of
planning.
Thank
you.
O
D
A
C
Yes,
sir
Stephanie
Pointer
I
I
found
it
quite
interesting,
something
that
happened
before
this
meeting
that
I've
really
never
seen
before
the
mayor
and
the
former
mayor
boasted
about
it
on
social
media
kind
of
shocking
to
me
and
I
want
to
talk
about
something
completely
different
than
what
most
folks
have
talked
about
and
I
have
to
say
I'm
with
those
folks
that
being
concerned
about,
what's
going
on
behind
the
scenes
in
our
City,
without
having
any
ability
to
make
that
happen,
the
individuals
personally
offended
by
Charter
amendments
might
be
put
on
the
ballot
I'm.
C
Sorry
as
individuals
personally
offended.
Okay,
forget
it.
I'm,
sick
and
tired
of
one
person
denying
the
voters
voice
at
the
ballot
offer
Transportation
twice:
Andrew
Warren's
removal
once
and
of
course,
councilman
dinkfelders.
Forced
resignation
isn't
that
enough,
bullying
for
from
one
person
for
the
voters
of
this
city
for
the
voters
of
the
county,
we
need
to
get
away
from
the
thought
that
P
one
person
gets
to
dictate
terms
to
everyone
in
our
area.
C
C
There
are
so
many
important
items
to
be
addressed
today,
but
my
passion
lies
with
the
absolute
need
to
deal
with
the
ethics
and
investigations
that
have
cost
our
city
325
000
over
the
last
year,
or
so
we
have
a
nonpartisan
ethics
commission,
but
the
investigations
of
both
city
councilman
goods
and
City
councilmen
dingfelder
ignored
that
Commission.
C
Why
that's?
What
I
want
to
know
I
want
to
know
who
had
that
investigation
started?
How
is
that
legal?
When
the
purse
strings
of
this
city
are
held
by
the
people
who
are
sitting
on
that
diocese,
I
had
to
come
here
and
social
media
about
four
of
you
folks
were
on
last
year's
Charter
review.
I
would
argue
that
likely
you
guys
know
better
than
anyone,
because
you
were
on
the
charter
review
why
these
amendments
need
to
be
made.
The
world
is
a
different
place.
Since
2019.
C
C
C
I'd
also
like
to
note
if
the
NAACP
didn't
didn't
somebody
give
them
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
out
of
the
budget.
So
if
they're
a
friend's
organization,
maybe
somebody
should
look
into
that
further,
but
I'm
kind
of
thinking
that
legitimizing
the
NAACP
by
giving
them
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
our
tax
money
kind
of
makes
the
statement
that
they
are
Fringe.
A
real
issue
for
me
have
a
good
day.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
Hi,
my
name
is
Carol
Ann,
Bennett
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
is
to
all
the
problems,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
the
problems
are
and
how
concerned
I
am
about
them
and
how
I
believe
something
needs
to
be
done
and
done
about
it.
C
I'm
very
concerned
that
three
council
members
were
attacked
and
that,
coincidentally,
the
three
council
members
had
a
similar
voting
pattern,
I'm
concerned
that
slap
lawsuits
will
be
used
to
remove
council
members
who
are
only
doing
their
jobs
and
listening
to
the
citizens
I'm
concerned
that
lawsuits
are
being
weaponized
to
put
fear
in
elected
officials,
I'm
afraid
that
the
weapon
of
crushing
legal
fees
will
be
used
to
control
our
elected
officials.
C
C
C
C
C
AE
AE
I'm
sorry
can
I
just
speak
first,
just
in
response
to
some
of
this
and
also
the
treats
last
night.
You
know,
unfortunately,
for
the
mayor
and
her
predecessor,
this
is
the
United
States
and
we
have
a
separation
of
power
in
the
United
States.
We
believe
in
democracy
in
the
United
States.
We
believe
in
a
balance
of
power
in
the
United
States.
AE
The
people
who
formed
our
government
and
also
formed
the
city
and
the
state
formed
it
in
a
way
that
there's
a
balance
so
that
one
person
couldn't
control
everything
and
so
that
the
public
would
have
adequate
representation.
That
representation
has
not
been
able
to
be
shown
because
of
a
lot
of
things
that
have
happened
inside
the
city,
people
come
and
talk
about
modifying
the
the
charter.
It's
always
been
the
charter
that
the
city
council
could
modify
when
we
were
on
the
charter
review.
AE
Commission,
we
added
the
charter
review
commission
coming
back
every
10
years,
so
it's
not
breaking
the
rules
by
doing
that.
That's
one
of
the
ways,
but
the
reason
why
I'm
here
and
the
re
and
my
concern
today
is
there's
a
third
way
of
editing
the
charter
and
that's
by
prior
opinions
of
Prior
City
attorneys.
They
have
made
opinions
that
have
in
effect
changed
the
charter,
for
example
the
the
claim
that
city
council
can't
delegate
subpoena
power
because
we
don't
have
it
it's
in
section.
2.14
I
can
read
it.
AE
If
you
all
want,
we
have
it,
and
so
why
would
a?
Why
would
a
City
attorney
give
a
false
opinion
like
that?
They
said
that
only
the
mayor
can
name
buildings,
that's
not
in
the
charter
either.
There
are
many
many
claims
that
the
City
attorney
former
city
attorneys
have
made
with
two
paragraphs
effectively
changing
the
charter.
This
is
not
Democratic,
even
if
we
vote
on
something
today
it
has
to
go
before
voters.
The
voters
will
decide
this.
So
why
not
let
voters
have
it
it's
a
it's
about
much
more
than
the
crb
here
today.
AE
It's
about
the
balance
of
powers
and
making
sure
that
we
have
adequate
legal
representation
for
the
voters
that
we
represent
and
we
have
to
undo
these
other
things.
There's
been
a
discussion
about
Charter
versus
ordinance
and
I
would
if
the
legal
department
is
now
going
to
make
that
claim
today,
I
would
say,
since
we've
been
discussing
this
for
more
than
a
year.
Why
haven't
they
come
forward
before
now
and
said?
Why
don't
you
put
these
things
in
ordinances?
They
have
not.
AE
We
need
to
provide
oversight,
unfortunately,
for
the
administration
the
city
council
is,
is
tasked
and
voted
to
provide
oversight.
You
know
why
is
it
that
it
took
six
months
for
us
to
find
out
who
made
the
decision
to
not
put
Hannah
Avenue
out
for
vote?
Why
is
it
that
took
us
almost
six
months
to
find
out
that
the
city
of
Tampa
is
under
United
States
Justice
Department
Civil
Rights
investigation
for
the
second
time
in
seven
years?
It's
the
biggest
thing
happening
in
the
city
and
it
took
us
months
to
find
out.
AE
Why
is
it
that
last
week,
I
asked
questions
about
the
incinerator
plant
and
the
staff
would
not
tell
me
the
answers.
They
wouldn't
tell
me
what
the
10-year
costs
were.
They
wouldn't
tell
me
what
the
30-year
costs
were.
Why
is
it?
Then?
We
asked
questions
about
the
Rome
yard
contract.
We
couldn't
get
answers
to
it.
Why
is
it
that
when
we
ask
questions
about
toilet
tap,
they
give
us
different
answers
and
they
try
to
hide
answers?
The
the
public
wants
us
to
provide
oversight
and
to
provide
that
oversight.
We
need
proper
legal
counsel.
AE
Why
is
it
that
there's
lobbying?
Why
is
it
that
yesterday
my
Aid
was
had
a
City
attorney
represented
tpd
and
not
a
City
attorney
representing
city
council,
City
City
attorney
also
represents
city
council.
The
City
attorney
is
supposed
to
be
objective
in
in
representing
its
clients,
or
it's
supposed
to
make
clear
which
client
it's
representing,
and
that
didn't
happen
in
my
briefing
I,
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
them.
Most
importantly,
why
is
the
administration
of
former
Administration
afraid?
What
are
they
afraid
of
the
tweets
last
night
represent
fear?
AE
What
are
they
afraid
of?
Are
they
afraid
that
we're
going
to
provide
more
oversight?
Are
they
afraid
that
we're
going
to
get
proper
legal
counsel?
Are
they
afraid
that
that
the
legal
department
is
going
to
be
objective
and
not
skewed
to
what
they
want?
Are
they
afraid
that
we're
going
to
call
them
out
on
being
lobbyists?
AE
AE
In
fact,
the
mayor
is
probably
below
50
percent
in
popularity
right
now.
That's
why
there's
movement
for
millions
of
dollars
to
try
to
find
somebody
to
run
against
her?
They
it's
time
for
us
to
to
to
represent
this
city
and
provide
proper
oversight
and
get
legal
counsel
that
represents
us.
Somebody
mentioned
a
corporation.
If
there
was
a
corporation
and
I
found
out
that
my
Law
Firm
was
representing
my
opposition
and
and
and
working
against
me,
I
would
fire
them
and
sue
them.
AE
I
would
make
sure
they
get
disbarred,
and
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
amend
this
Charter
we're
going
down
a
path
where
we're
going
to
have
big
problems
in
this
city,
because
we
cannot
go
on
with
with
bias
accounts
of
bias
coverage.
We
need
to
properly
represent
this
city
and
the
voters
of
the
city,
and
we
need
proper
legal
counsel.
Thank
you.
A
AF
We
are
here
for
the
public
today
and
and
I
think
over
the
last
three
years
of
this
Administration
we've
demonstrated
that
as
an
Administration
I
don't
get
into
politics,
I
don't
do
tweets
I,
don't
do
social
media
I
just
come
in
and
work
15
hours
a
day,
along
with
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
to
try
and
get
the
city
to
move
forward,
I'm
going
to
take
literally
three
seconds
and
show
something
that
I
think
is
a
picture
of
a
thousand
words.
AF
I
asked
for
this
picture
and
nobody
else
did
the
reason
I
asked
for
it
is
because
I
went
through
the
CRV
process
with
you,
with
the
police
department,
with
the
public
over
an
extended
period
of
time.
This
was
the
signing
ceremony
where
the
mayor,
the
mayor,
stood
down
the
process
and
moved
together
to
bring
an
ordinance
and
an
executive
order
and
United.
This
is
progress.
We've
been
showing
progress,
I'm
asking
what
is
the
gap
that
we
have
enclosed?
Thank
you
chairman
foreign.
AA
Council
had
directed
me
to
hire
a
facilitator
to
facilitate
the
process
and
the
process
was
set
forth
by
the
facilitator
and
it
was
done
for
a
specific
purpose
and,
frankly,
Council
has
invested
in
having
the
facilitator
to
control
the
process
and
to
be
able
to
achieve
the
outcomes
which
haven't
quite
frankly
and
the
overview
of
the
process
hasn't
even
been
discussed
yet.
So
that
being
said,
Mr
chairman
respectfully
to
you
and
to
the
rest
of
council.
The
purpose
of
having
a
facilitator
is
to
be
able
to
have
a
facilitator
control.
AA
A
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A
AG
Good
morning
before
I
address
that,
if
I
may,
let
me
just
explain
my
role
and
certainly
good
morning
to
the
Commissioners
chair
and
to
council
attorney,
Shelby
and
members
of
the
Administration.
My
role
as
a
facilitator
is
neutral.
I
am
neutral
to
con
to
content.
I
did
help
in
design
the
process
and
may
make
procedural
suggestions.
The
content
comes
from
you
and,
of
course,
from
the
the
public.
AG
My
understanding
also
is
that,
instead
of
a
super
majority
that
we
have
a
vote
of
for
in
order
to
indicate
that
that
particular
issue
will
go
forward,
am
I,
correct,
I,
see
heads
nodding.
Thank
you
for
the
purposes
of
keeping
this
very
visual,
we
have
a
real-time
Note
Taker
that
will
be
putting
information
up
on
the
screen
that
will
be
Wordsmith
later,
because
you
know
word:
smithing
can
be
a
very
delicate
process
and
wordsmithing
will
come
out
of
of
Mr
Shelby's
office
and
we'll
fit
the
timetable
that
has
been
laid
out.
AG
So
back
to
your
original
question,
let
me
put
it
to
the
group
how
you
would
like
to
proceed.
How
many
of
you,
by
show
of
a
vote,
would
like
to
go
in
order
as
it
is
laid
out
in
the
charter
and
I
know.
Most
of
us
have
a
print
copy
am
I
correct
mine
happens
to
be
supplement.
135
you
may
have
supplement
120.
Nevertheless,
we
can
go
by
sections.
AH
Yes,
Mr
Vieira,
yes,
ma'am!
Thank
you.
Can
you
list
the
second
option
just
so
that
we're
all?
Could
you
restate
the
the
two
options?
Just
yes.
AG
The
two
options:
one
option
is
that
whomever
wishes
to
speak
raises
his
or
her
hand
and
said
here's
my
issue
and
we
proceed
in
that
fashion.
The
second
and
perhaps
I,
have
said
these
in
in
the
opposite
manner,
but
nevertheless
the
second
one
is
simply
to
go
in
order
of
how
the
charter
is
laid
out
and
if
that's
your
issue,
that's
when
you
would
speak.
AG
A
AG
AG
AA
Now
Council
I
I
do
not
intend
to
advocate
for
any
of
these.
They
are
not
mine.
They
were
raised
by
Council
over
time
on
a
basis
of
certain
issues
that
are
overarching,
one
of
them
being
primarily
the
separation
of
powers.
So
it's
not
my
intention
to
advocate
for
this.
This
list
and
I
will
assure
you
that
this
list
is
not
necessarily
reflective
of
what
this
particular
Council
wants
to
discuss.
AA
A
AG
A
A
A
AG
A
AE
The
one
of
the
tweets
that
mayor
sent
last
night
was
complaining
that
that
Mr
Shelby's
memo
went
out
at
1am
yesterday.
Our
rules
that
we
agreed
to
a
couple
months
ago
always
said
that
each
city
council
member,
would
present
their
own.
We
don't
have
an
obligation
to
let
the
mayor
know
in
advance
what
we're
going
to
present,
because
that's
the
process
we
agreed
to.
However,
I,
want
to
let
the
public
know
and
just
for
disclosure
to
everybody.
Even
if
we
approve
something
today,
the
mayor
still
can
veto
it.
AE
AE
Then,
even
if
we
approve
it
and
the
mayor
doesn't
object,
then
it
has
to
code
for
two
readings
public
readings
before
So,
for
anybody
who
thinks
we're
going
to
put
something
on
the
ballot
today,
we
cannot
for
anybody
who's
concerned
that
something
is
going
to
be
squeezed
through
without
public
oversight.
We've
we've
got
at
least
three
points
of
public
oversight
Beyond
this
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AG
D
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D
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AI
C
AG
Welcome
back
just
to
reiterate,
then,
with
our
process.
What
we
have
found
is:
it
tends
to
help
if
we
have
a
few
protocols
that
we
can
work
with,
and
we
have
those
up
on
the
screen
as
well
as
over
here
on
a
chart
and
I
will
just
go
through
those
very
very
quickly.
Obviously,
we're
good
at
sharing
the
floor.
Allow
each
person
to
finish
comments
so
that
we're
not
talking
over
one
another
strive
toward
economy
of
words,
if
at
all
possible,
be
succinct.
AG
Your
own
information,
in
other
words,
withhold
personalizing
comments
that,
from
your
experience,
this
is
how
you
would
like
to
present
your
information
and,
of
course,
working
toward
desired
outcomes,
which
is
to
get
through
as
much
as
we
possibly
can,
as
chairman
citro
said,
rather
than
13,
we're
going
to
do
this
in
a
few.
A
few
hours
breaking
at
lunch
at
noon
is
what
we're
working
toward
and
just
a
reminder.
Also
on
the
timeline.
There's
a
memo
that
states
the
first
reading
is
December
1,
possibly
the
second
reading,
December
15th
or
January
5th.
AG
It
goes
to
the
printer
January,
the
20th,
to
be
on
the
ballot
March.
The
7th
and
word
smithing
will
take
place
through
Mr
Shelby's
office.
We
have
real-time
note-taking
and
she
will
change
that
as
needed
as
we
go
through
it
so
it'll
appear,
and
then
you
will
see
changes
based
on
other
kinds
of
of
comments.
AA
AG
AG
A
A
AE
Are
recognized
in
a
prior
in
the
in
some
of
the
original
emotions
we
made
to
this?
We
said
that
we
would
like
the
City
attorney
Ohio
outside
Council,
because
the
city
attorney's
backed
up
there's
no
way
we'll
hit
the
deadline
if
they
do
it
themselves,
so
ultimately
they
have
to
review
it,
but
we
would
they
would
have
to
hire
outside
counsel,
with
input
from
our
attorney.
AE
AG
AI
AI
Then
she
can
recognize
me
no
offense,
but
this
is
I'm
frustrated
because
we
already
talked
about
this.
We're
just
going
down
the
line
section,
one.
Anybody
have
something
on
one,
two,
three
or
four:
no,
okay,
let's
move
on
sorry
I
don't
mean
to
be
snippy,
but
we
have
a
lot
to
cover
and
we
already
discussed
this
just
before
we
went
to
break.
AI
S
Am
I
recognized
ma'am?
Yes,
in
section
104,
you
talk
about
separation
of
powers.
Mr
Shelby
has
laid
out
the
question
in
the
example
the
question,
so
the
public
can
no
question
of
how
to
resolve
dispute
between
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
dispute
interpretation
of
languages
in
section
501
5.01,
a
the
City
attorney,
shall
be
the
final
legal
representative
representative
for
the
city,
the
example
of
a
Curative
language
in
the
event
of
a
dispute
between
the
mayor
and
city
council,
which
cannot
be
reconciled.
The
city
shall
utilize
independent
Council
in
a
court
of
competent
jurisdiction.
S
I
think
that's
we've
seen
that
happen
several
times
and
I
think
when
there
is
a
conflict,
sometimes
I
don't
want
to
say
that
all
the
information
has
been
given
to
the
to
this
Council,
but
at
times
we
have
to
fish
ourselves
and
I.
Just
think
that
the
the
battles
sometimes
are
found
out.
What
fact
versus
fiction
doesn't
happen
all
the
time
and
so
I
I
would
suggest
that
we
look
at
making
sure
that
we
have
that.
S
AG
S
AI
I
agree:
I
think
that
makes
perfect
sense.
My
only
disagreement
is
I.
Do
not
I
believe
council
member
I
I.
Don't
remember
who
spoke
about
it
this
morning
about
sending
it
to
the
AG
and
I
disagree.
I
think
it
should
be
an
outside
independent
Council
that
would
arbitrate
a
dispute
between
the
mayor
and
Council.
So
that's
what
I
would
like
to
see
which
I
I
believe
is
this
language,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
I
would
prefer
that
and
not
the
AG's
office.
AE
AG
AG
AE
Okay,
I
have
something
that
I
would
like
to
proposed
for
a
section
six
as
an
as
a
new
section
point
6.09,
but
it's
it's
relevant
or
an
alternative
to
what
Mr
Shelby
put
down
should
I
should
should
I,
read
this
one
now
or
should,
should
we
hold
the
the
one
that
was
just
proposed
and
discussed
them
both
center
six
I'll
just
read
mine
it.
What
I
would
suggest
is
a
new
section
6.0.
AE
The
the
issue
here
is
that
when
the
the
the
City
attorney
gives
an
edict
which
sounds
like
a
Supreme
Court
ruling,
it
sounds
like
it.
They
are
the
judicial
branch
of
the
city
which
they
are
not,
and
if
we
disagree
with
it,
for
example,
only
the
mayor
has
the
right
to
name
buildings.
It's
ridiculous,
it's
not
in
any
way
described
in
the
charter.
So
how
do
we
resolve
that?
AE
The
only
way
we
can
resolve
it
is
is
if
we
collectively
file
lawsuit
or
we
individually,
file,
lawsuit
and
I
want
to
avoid
lawsuits
and
the
way
I
do
it
in
the
private
sector
is
by
setting
up
an
arbitration
panel,
the
the
two.
If
we
go
before
a
judge,
I
presume
in
less
legal
has
a
different
opinion.
We
have
to
file
a
lawsuit
to
go
before
judge
here's.
What
I
would
recommend.
We
obviously
need
a
conflict
resolution,
so
everybody
who
is
complaining
about
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
charter
number
one.
AE
We
need
a
conflict
resolution
process
because
otherwise
we're
going
to
have
lawsuits.
We've
got
city
council
members
who
have
been
attacked
and
not
protected
by
city,
the
city
attorney,
which
they
should
have
been
by
Charter.
The
charter
clearly
says
in
Section,
8
or
2
under
section
two
defend
the
rights
and
interests
of
the
city
or
any
officer
of
the
city
in
any
suit
or
prosecution
for
any
act
in
the
discharge
of
official
duties,
and
the
City
attorney
has
not
done
that.
And
so
what
is?
What
is
our
option
individually?
AE
We
can
sue
as
a
collective
body.
We
can
sue
what
I
suggest
so
that
we
don't
allow
the
City
attorney
to
become
the
judicial
branch
and
and
change
the
charter.
Without
a
vote
of
the
public.
We
should
have
a
conflict
resolution,
Clause
I'm,
suggesting
6.09,
here's,
the
language,
I
I.
I'm.
Sorry,
here's
the
language
I
propose
should
a
conflict
arise
between
city
council
and
the
mayor,
or
between
either
party
and
the
City
attorney.
AE
Such
conflicts
should
be
resolved
in
a
quick,
objective
and
collegial
manner
so
as
to
best
represent
the
interests
of
the
city
of
the
residents
of
Tampa
and
the
event
of
a
conflict.
The
two
parties
under
coordination
by
the
City
attorney,
will
they
point
an
arbitration
panel
consisting
of
three
arbitrators,
who
will
be
jointly
selected
by
the
two
parties,
either
through
their
attorneys
or
outside
counsel
appointed
by
the
City
attorney.
The
two
parties
will
represent
their
case
to
the
arbitration
panel.
AE
The
arbitration
panel
will
give
their
judgment
on
the
matter
and
both
parties
will
be
bound
by
their
ruling.
The
the
I
think
the
choices
we
go
before
a
judge
or
we
go
before
the
arbitration
panel
or
we
can
call
the
Attorney
General,
but
all
of
those,
the
the
the
judge
and
the
Attorney
General
escalate
some
things
that
the
decision
about
who
can
name
buildings.
AE
It's
ridiculous
that
a
former
City
attorney
made
that
an
edict
and-
and
we
have
to-
we
have
to
figure
out
how
we
how
we
can
navigate
this
it's
easier
and
the
private
sector.
Both
sides
pick
three
arbitrators.
That
way.
It's
it's
clear
that
they're
objective,
what's
happened
in
the
past
is
the
City
attorney
will
pick
an
outside
attorney,
but
that
attorney
reports.
The
City
attorney
City
attorney
reports
to
the
mayor
and
there's
bias
in
that
process.
AG
AE
I'm
saying:
is
there
whether
it's
in
section
one
or
section
six,
we
need
to
choose
one
or
the
other?
It's
not.
We
cannot.
If
we
do
anything
today,
we
need
an
a
conflict
resolution
policy
because
we're
headed
to
multiple
lawsuits
right
now.
The
only
way
to
protect
the
public
when
the
city
Staff
last
week
would
not
give
us
the
information
we
asked
about
the
incentive
plan.
They
won't
give
us
accurate
information
about
the
pure
project
toilet
tap.
They
won't
give
us
the
information.
AE
We
need
the
only
up
the
only
option
we
have
and
then,
when
the
city
attorney
is
defending
them
and
not
defending
city
council.
The
only
choice
we
have
is
to
sue.
That's
not
good
for
the
taxpayers.
We
shouldn't
have
to
sue
to
get
transparency
and
accountability.
So
the
choice
is
we
either
go
to
a
judge
or
we
go
to
arbitration
panel.
I,
don't
know
of
another
choice,
but
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
would
like
to
put
on
the
table
as
options.
AH
Thank
you,
just
I
guess
my
thoughts
on
a
lot
of
issues
that
we're
discussing
today,
I
guess
on
procedure,
not
necessarily
on
substance.
Is
that
we're
dealing
with
Hefty
issues,
changing
the
city
Charter
again,
I'm
not
opposed
to
changing
the
city's
Charter,
like
I've,
said
on
on
issues
with
Duke,
with
due
consideration,
etc,
etc.
We
had
a
meeting
about
a
month
ago
that
we
canceled
at
11
o'clock,
saying
we
didn't
have
enough
time
moved
it
to
today.
Now
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
issues
upon
first
and
formal
impression.
AH
Right
that
may
be
right
may
be
wrong,
maybe
misguided,
maybe
correct,
maybe
reactive
may
not
be,
but
just
the
the
consideration.
Procedurally
that
they're
getting
just
bothers
me.
This
does
not
include
the
crb
changes
by
the
way
which
have
been
around
for
years.
People
are
familiar
with
this
issue.
AH
We
can
deal
with
those
issues
today
and
give
our
thoughts
Etc
et
cetera,
but
on
some
of
these
larger
procedural
issues
going
well,
I
think
this
I
think
that
we're
you
know
trying
to
cram
potentially
a
size,
46
waist
and
a
size,
32
pants
right
now
with
these
issues
and
that's
what
bothers
me
is
a
is
a
procedural
issue.
Is
that
the
time
given
that
should
be
more
thoughtful
and
and
more
Hefty
to
such
issues
again,
that
does
not
include
the
crb
that
should
be
taken
care
of
today.
AH
There's
people
here
for
that
Etc,
just
a
concern
that
I
have
not
saying
I'll
vote
no
based
upon
that,
but
just
something
that
weighs
upon
me
and
I
think
should
weigh
upon
reasonable
folks
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
Man.
AG
AH
Mean
I
I'm,
looking
at
this
Etc
I'm,
not
ready
for
a
public
comment
on
it.
Yet
on
this
particular
proposal,
that's
that's.
The
whole
issue
is
it's
first
impression
you
gotta
think
about
it.
Etc
talk
to
people
who
are
Professionals
in
the
area,
Etc
I
mean
that's,
that's
my
whole
objection.
It's
not
anything
dealing
with
you
again.
We
had
this
issue
scheduled
a
month
ago
and
we
left
at
11
o'clock.
AH
S
S
I,
don't
see
the
the
big
argument
or
have
to
have
outside
people
to
look
at
this
anatomy
and
I
think
the
suggestion
that
Mr
Carlson
just
made
I
mean
you
know,
could
probably
go
along
with
that
I
mean
you
know
to
to
count
on
that.
I.
Don't
see
that
as
a
big
issue
to
to
move
something
forward.
Some
of
these
things
here,
that's
on
our
list
here
are
very
small.
It
can
be
dealt
with
today
and
be
done
with,
and
the
voters
can
look
at.
S
AG
Yes,
Mr
Miranda
thank.
M
You
very
much
I
I've
been
listening
and
not
saying
much
and
you
know.
I've
worked
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
mayor
pole,
America,
Greco,
mayor
Oriole,
mayor
Buckhorn
and
I'm
mayor
Castor,
they're
all
different.
M
They
all
had
a
different
attitude.
They
all
have
different
personality.
Each
one
of
them
were
different,
but
they'll
hold
one
thing
in
gold
and
they
wanted
to
make
the
city
better
than
how
they
found
it.
So
they
proposed
and
they
ran
on
that
platform,
and
you
know
what
that
intuition
of
making
it
better.
It's
what
got
us
where
we're
at
today,
I,
don't
see
it
as
most
of
them.
City
councils.
Other
members,
see
it.
If
I
got
to
tell
somebody
to
go,
he
double
hockey
sticks
I,
go
tell
them
right
to
their
face.
M
I,
don't
need
an
arbitration.
I,
don't
need
a
person
to
try
to
smooth
things
over
because
I
handle
it
one
on
one
not
in
front
of
the
media,
not
in
front
of
the
city
council
to
bring
my
city
down
if
I
have
a
difference
of
opinion,
and
that's
just
my
opinion
and
I'm
not
saying
my
opinion
is
correct.
I,
take
it
right
to
the
right
to
where
it's
got
to
go.
M
So
what
what
I
see
coming
here
from
The
Limited
conversation
we've
had
we're
going
to
create
a
slower
process
to
get
even
longer,
but
now
you're
going
to
interject
another
layer
of
an
arbitrator
or
lawsuit
I
haven't
heard
a
lawsuit
coming,
but
maybe
some
have
I.
Don't
Twitter
I,
don't
go
on
the
internet.
I,
don't
know
none
of
those
things.
M
M
Coming,
let
them
come,
that's
what
the
courts
are
for,
but
I'm
not
going
to
start
setting
bodies
everywhere
for
everything
we
do
to
say.
We
can't
do
this
and
can't
do
that,
and
this
is
wrong,
and
this
is
not
quite
like
I
wanted.
We
have
a
problem
in
my
mind.
The
problem
is
that
we
have
eight
elected
officials
and
we
work
under
the
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
That
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
change
something.
If
you
have
five
votes
anything
their
mayor
does.
M
M
on
a
vote
with
a
union
wording,
firefighters,
pay,
we
agreed
to
a
salary
and
the
mayor
rejected
it.
He
had
the
right
to
do
that
and
on
a
five
to
two
vote
he
was
overturned,
so
it
does
happen.
All
you
need
is
five
votes
of
elected
officials
to
say
yay
or
nay,
no
matter
who
the
mayor
is
so
these
things
that
we're
going
through
now
and
you're
going
to
listen
to
a
lot
more
by
the
time.
We
finish
with
all
this.
M
You'll
be
climbing
a
long
letter
to
hell
because
you
ain't
going
nowhere.
You
got
to
understand
that
system
is.
This
is
a
strong,
mere
form
of
government
that
doesn't
mean
that
that
person
of
the
five
that
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
can
ramble
out
everything
they
want
over
you.
That
means
that
you
have
the
right
to
negotiate
with
five
votes,
and
that's
your
safety
valve
right
there.
M
AG
M
AE
The
problem
in
this
case
is
not
necessarily
between
the
city
council
and
the
mayor's
office,
although
part
of
it
is
because
the
City
attorney
reports
the
mayor,
but
we
have
opinions
of
the
City
attorney
which
in
effect
change
the
charter,
and
what
we
need
is
a
is
a
dispute
resolution
process
to
figure
that
out,
because
if
the
when
the
city
attorney
makes
an
opinion,
if
it's
hard
for
city
council
to
overrule
that
an
example,
we
had
a
case
recently
where
we
found
out
that
the
administration
had
not
put
a
very
expensive
project
up
for
bid
and
and
then
we
asked
to
review
it
and
ask
to
discuss
it
and
then
ask
to
potentially
cancel
the
contract.
AE
AE
The
private
legal
counsel
I
got
said
that
not
only
was
the
city
attorney's
review
of
the
What's
called
the
CCNA
process
incorrect,
but
that
the
the
city
attorney's
attempt
to
stifle
us
was
in
correct
as
well,
and
so
we
should
have
been
able
to
talk
about
it,
but
that,
but
what
the
City
attorney
said
is
that
we
each
would
get
individually
sued
and
the
City
attorney
would
not
protect
us
if
we
even
discussed
it
publicly,
and
so
there's
got
to
be
a
way
to
resolve
that
we
can't.
We
can't
allow
our
own
attorney.
AE
Imagine
if
you
hire
a
private
attorney
for
your
company
or
your
individual,
and
your
own
attorney
is
working
against
you
and
threatening
you
like
that.
They
can
give
you
their
opinion,
but
the
attorney
is
not
the
judge
and
jury,
so
I
would
I,
don't
know
what
your
process
is,
but
I
would
make
a
motion.
I
think
we
should
just
vote
these
up
and
down.
AE
We
don't
need
a
long
discussion
and
so
I
would
just
I
would
just
recommend
unless,
unless
councilmember
Goods
wants
to
recommend
something
else,
I
would
recommend
that
for
conflict
resolution,
I
would
recommend
the
paragraph
I
have
here
6.
a
new
6.09
by
the
way.
What
this,
if
we
say
yes,
what
this
means
is
the
City
attorney
is
going
to
look
at
it.
We
can
have
one-on-one
conversations
with
a
City
attorney
and
then
it'll
be
presented
back
for
first
reading.
AA
AA
O
AG
AJ
City
attorney
I'll
be
very
brief
and
just
focus
on
this
issue.
The
city
cannot
Sue
itself.
The
city
can
not
bring
a
dispute
to
a
court
of
competence
jurisdiction.
If
it's
between
two
parts
of
the
city,
we
can
ask
an
independent
Council
to
provide
an
advisory
opinion
which
has
been
done
in
the
past
when
the
city,
council
and
the
city
didn't
agree
on
something
or
in
the
City
attorney
I
believe.
But
the
city
cannot
Sue
itself.
AE
Arbitration
panel
would
be
in
place
of
the
City
attorney
hiring
outside
attorney,
because
we
know
that
hiring
outside
attorney
ends
up
potentially
having
bias
connected
to
it,
and
we've
seen
how
investigations
have
gone
and
others
which
have
been
directed
by
the
administration
through
the
city
attorney.
And
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
have
a
competent
objective
legal
advice
for
for
the
city
council.
I,
don't
see
how
an
arbitration
panel
is
not
is
not
a
lawsuit.
AE
AE
AJ
A
AJ
AG
AJ
Talk
to
my
office
talk
to
the
administration.
Let
us
set
up
meetings.
We
can
resolve
these
issues.
You
and
I
had
a
discussion
about
the
settlement
process.
I
propose
Solutions
in
a
memorandum
to
you,
you,
you
all
approved
a
process
regarding
naming.
If
you
don't
like
it
now,
we
can
readdress
that
we
don't
have
to
amend
the
charter
to
resolve
differences
of
opinion,
but
I
just
again.
I
I
wanted
to
just
stick
to
the
very
issue
that
was
in
front
of
us.
We
cannot
take
disagreements
between
branches
of
government
to
a
dispute
resolution
process.
AG
Before
that,
I
did
see
another
hand,
yes
Mr
meniscalco.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments.
However,
I
feel
like
we've
been
at
war
with
each
other
for
about
three
and
a
half
almost
four
years,
and
it's
very
unfortunate
because
all
eight
elected
officials
are
good
people,
I
know
them
all
I
work
with
them.
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
them.
However,.
D
B
Discussing
this
issue,
I
know
that
Mr
Shelby,
one
of
the
hardest
working
individuals
I
know,
is
the
first
City
and
first
and
only
city
council
attorney.
We
didn't
have
that
position
until
2004.
Before
that
we
just
had
a
City
attorney.
We
had
the
opinion
of
that
individual
and
their
office,
and
the
position
was
created
for
city
council
to
have
their
own
separate,
independent.
B
B
Unfortunately,
in
the
last
year,
other
things
have
happened
with
other
council
members
that
we,
we
may
not
agree
with,
and
the
charter
is
very
clear
in
what
it
says
in
regards
to
the
city,
defending
council,
members
and
whatnot
I.
Don't
think
that
needs
to
be
changed
or
updated.
We
just
need
to
follow
what
is
existing
in
the
charter
having
this
arbitrator
this
this
third
party
panel
to
settle
disagreements,
I
thought
that
was
settled
when
we
hired
our
city
council
attorney.
B
AA
AA
It
would
have
to
be
vetted
but
I'm,
looking
more
at
the
issue
of
let's
say,
for
instance,
separation
of
powers
and
when
I
look
at
the
separation
of
powers.
That
generates
a
lot
of
discussion
within
the
charter
and
that's
an
overall
arching
discussion
rather
than
going-
and
there
are
things
in
here
that
sometimes
repeat
themselves
with
regard
to
when
these
kind
of
issues
of
separation
of
powers
comes
up
and-
and
maybe
maybe
this
is
not
the
Forum
to
do
that-
and
I
I
I-
don't
want
the
fact
that
this?
AA
What
an
example
is
it's
an
example.
It's
not
something!
It's
not
a
a
recommendation
on
my
part,
if
it's
better,
if
Council
looks
rather
than
what
Curative
language
might
be
because,
frankly,
I
did
not
really
have
an
opportunity,
or
in
a
in
hindsight
to
be
able
to
to
do
that.
It
would
have
been
better
if
had
it
been
vetted
with
the
city
attorney,
they
had
not
have
much
time
to
comment
on
this
and
I.
Don't
think
Council
should
put
much
weight
in
the
language.
AA
I
think
it's
more
important,
Miss
Roder
for
the
overarching
discussions
about
how
to
resolve
some
of
these
issues
and
counsel
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
not
my
recommendations
that
you
take
this
Curative
language
because,
frankly
and
Ms
Ellen
made
that
very
clear,
they
really
haven't
been
fully
vetted,
and
that
is
something
that
is
something
that
I
really
think
is
is
is
hurting.
The
process
is
to
focus
on
that.
AA
AG
AE
Yeah
I
I
would
just
like
to
based
on
what
the
City
attorney
said:
I'm
not
using
the
language
that
was
proposed
by
Shelby
I'm
I'm,
proposing
the
language
that
I
that
I
put
in
here.
But
I
will
modify
my
motion
to
say
that
that
I
would
like
to
move
that
the
City
attorney
look
at
this
language
and
either
edit
it
or
propose
an
alternative
to
present
back
to
council.
AG
AG
Because
that's
one
of
our
outcomes
is
to
look
at
next
steps
and
timeline.
That
makes
sense
yes,
Mr
goods
and
then
it
looks
like
we
want
to
call
for
a
vote
to
move
this
forward.
Yes,
sir,
you.
S
S
S
Our
own
City
attorney-
and
he
tells
us
as
I
said,
but
that's
not
how
it's
been
operating.
That's
not
how
I
have
seen
it
operate.
I've
seen
him
telling
me
and
time
and
time
again
he's
got
on
there
and
say
I
I
have
to
go
through
legal
and
go
to
the
City
attorney
for
approval.
This
isn't
that
I've
heard
that
time
and
time
again,
so
he
does
not
have
the
authority
to
do
certain
things.
He
does
not
as
our
counsel
and
sometimes
it
frustrates
that
sometimes
he
doesn't
speak
up
about
things.
S
I
think
he
should
speak
about.
So
that's
why
I
have
an
issue
with
this,
because
it's
still,
you
have
one
body
who's
still
dictating
what
goes
on
versus.
If
there
is
a
dispute
who's
going
to
settle
the
dispute,
that's
the
issue.
I
have
and
I,
don't
understand
how
this
Council
doesn't
see
that
or
doesn't
understand
it
either.
S
AG
M
You
and
I
stated
earlier:
you
see
the
problem.
The
public
can
hear
the
problem
it
makes
no
difference
through
the
city.
Attorney
is
makes
no
difference
to
the
city.
Council
attorney
is
you're
going
to
have
the
same
problem,
because
that's
the
way
it
is
there's
eight
elected
officials
and
somewhere
along
the
line.
We
can't
even
make
vegetable
soup
because
the
ingredients
are
there,
but
we're
not
folding
it
we're
bowling
it
without
water
and
therefore
you're
going
to
get
nothing
but
slop.
M
M
AG
AG
W
AE
So
I
will
I.
My
motion
is
to
ask
the
City
attorney
to
come
back
on
the
first
reading
that
we
will
decide
at
the
end
of
the
day
with
and
proposed
edits
or
alternative
to
the
following.
The
the
following
would
be
to
propose
a
new
6.09
conflict
resolution.
Should
a
conflict
arise
between
city
council
and
the
mayor,
or
between
either
party
and
the
City
attorney.
Such
conflict
should
be
resolved
in
a
quick
objective
in
collegial
manner,
so
as
to
best
represent
the
interests
of
the
residents
of
Tampa
in
the
event
of
a
conflict.
AE
The
two
parties,
under
coordination
by
the
City
attorney,
will
appoint
an
arbitration
panel
consisting
of
three
arbitrators,
who
will
be
jointly
selected
by
the
two
parties,
either
through
their
attorneys
or
outside
counsel
appointed
by
the
City
attorney.
The
two
parties
will
present
their
case
to
the
arbitration
panel.
The
arbitration
panel
will
give
their
judgment
on
the
matter,
and
both
parties
will
be
bound
by
their
ruling.
AG
AE
AG
M
AA
AG
AA
AG
AE
AE
Can
I
just
make
one
more
comment?
This
puts
our
city
in
grave
danger
and
it's
not
a
personality
conflict.
This
is
a
a
conflict
where
there
is
a
separation
of
powers
and
we
have
to
follow
the
charter
and
when
somebody
inside
the
city
is
not
following
the
charter,
we're
responsible
for
for
sticking
to
it
and
we
have
no
ability
to
fight
it,
and
so
I
hope
that
there
will
be
other
modifications
of
the
charter,
but
this
puts
us
in
grave
danger
of
putting
the
taxpayers
at
risk
here.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AG
AI
AG
D
AI
I
agree:
it's
a
security
we
have
to
solve
this,
but
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
the
example
of
Curative
language
and
take
out
in
a
court
of
competent
jurisdiction.
So
my
motion
is
and
I'm
not
quite
sure,
and
let
me
just
make
the
motion
and
then
maybe
we
can
talk
it
out.
So
my
motion
is
to
add
and
sure
I'll
make
it
a
section
6.09
in
the
event
of
a
dispute
between
the
mayor
and
city
council,
which
cannot
be
reconciled.
The
city
shall
utilize
independent
Council.
AE
AI
Yeah,
well
that
that's
I
guess
my
question
for
my
colleagues
is:
if,
if
our
City
attorney
is
saying,
we
can't
use
that
that
we
shouldn't
that
we
can't
sue
and
if
they're
saying
that
you
know
arbitrators,
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
use
arbitrators,
but
she
is
saying
that
we
can
use
outside
counsel
I'm,
just
not
sure
how
Mr
Carlson.
Did
you
understand
that?
Because.
AE
I
did
not
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
please
to
add
that
that
would
report
to
the
city
council
attorney,
okay,.
AA
AA
AI
AA
This
is
a
interesting
discussion,
because
this
Charter
is
an
organic
document.
It's
a
holistic
document,
one
section
relates
to
the
other
sections
and,
for
instance,
the
the
issue
with
the
separation
of
powers.
AA
It
comes
back
to
the
section
501a
you
haven't
even
gotten
to
that
yet,
and
that
says
that
the
City
attorney
shall
be
the
final
legal
representative
to
the
city.
To
have
somebody
report
back
to
me
does
not
accomplish
anything
pursuant
to
this
Charter,
so
so
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
looking
at
these
things
piecemeal
rather
than
organically,
because-
and
maybe
it
was
a
a.
AA
It
was
not
the
best
choice
to
put
this
in
the
section
where
something
can
go,
because
you're
going
to
find
overlaps
in
sections
other,
where
the
separation
of
power
just
comes
up.
So
the
the
memo
really
makes
things
more
complicated
frankly
than
it
needs
to
be,
because
I
don't
want
Council
to
be
in
a
position
of
making
motions
that
are
going
to
require
the
City
attorney
to
do
some
work
by
first
reading
and
have
it
come
back
and
it
won't
make
it
won't,
it
won't
make
it
to
the
ballot.
AA
The
issue
should
be
whether
it
makes
it
to
the
ballot
by
this
point
in
time.
But
what
I'm
saying
to
you
now
is
that
to
the
maker
of
the
motion
to
have
somebody
report
to
me
does
not
imbue
them
with
any
power,
because
that
would
be
in
violation
of
the
charter
and
we're
not
we're
not
at
that
point
where
we
can
have
this
kind
of
discussion
at
a
you
know
a
workshop
in
in
and
it's
true
over
a
long
period
of
time.
The
city
Charter
review
commission
was
able
to
discuss
these
things
and
debate
them.
AA
But
for
this
like,
for
instance,
this
one
time
this
one
little
subject,
I
think
the
chairman
is,
is
right
in
terms
of
what
effect
this
is
going
to
have
what
is
ultimately
going
to
be
accomplished
by
the
end
of
the
day.
AI
I'll
just
take
out
that
will
report
to
the
city,
council
attorney
and
just
say:
shall
utilize
independent
Council
to
resolve
the
dispute.
Second,.
S
Think
you
still
run
into
an
issue
with
the
with
the
section
five
I
think
still
after
the
independent
Council
has
made
a
really
decision.
It
will
go
back
to
the
city
attorney
for
for
the
the
room,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
509
says
it's
the
ultimate
decision
so
I
think.
What's
the
decision
is
maybe
you're
going
to
put
that
in
for
609
I
think
it
has
to
come
back
to
the
city
attorney.
That
decision
was
made.
S
That's
just
my
rationale,
because
I
think
you're
you're
bumping
in
to
a
situation
because
five
says
the
city
tournament.
The
ultimate
decision,
so
I
think
she's
gonna
make
the
whole
decision
and
you're
saying
we're
going
to
have
an
independent
Council
for
the
dispute.
It
should
go
back
to
the
city
attorney
until
the
decision
can
be
be
before
the
right
and
put
out
my
it's
my
opinion.
S
AG
AE
AG
And
again,
because
it's
organic
if
something
needs
to
change.
This
is
not
final
language
at
this
moment,
we're
simply
trying
to
get
something
on
the
table
that
has
as
much
of
your
input
and
much
of
your
thoughts
as
possible.
We
can
still
go
back.
We
can
Circle
back
and
modify
there's,
not
a
there's,
not
a
final
decision
today.
So
with
the
motion,
this
was
made
by
Ms
hertak
and
she
amended
it
by
taking
out
a
court
of
competent
jurisdiction.
AG
AG
So,
let's
move
forward
article
two
legislative
and
we
have
section
201,
city,
council,
202
qualifications,
203
organizations,
204
a
staff,
205
exercise,
206
ordinances
and
resolutions.
So
on
there's
many
who
would
like
to
comment
on
anything
in
section
two.
Please
raise
your
hand.
If
that's
one
of
your
areas,
I
saw
Mr
Carlson's
hand.
Yes,
would
you
please
call
out
the
section.
AE
AG
AE
This
down,
as
section
2.04
B1,
so
toward
the
end.
What
I
want
to
do
excuse
me
is,
is,
is
further
in
in
defining
the
role
of
the
city
council
attorney
again
we're
going
to
get
the
5.0
in
a
minute,
but
just
add
that
the
we
need
to
explicitly
add
that
the
city
of
city
council
attorney
has
the
right
to
hire
legal
staff
or
outside
counsel,
as
approved
by
city
council.
And
yes,
this
means
not
going
through
the
city
attorney,
because
we
need
objectivity.
AE
What's
the
the
problem
is
that
the
city,
the
city
attorney,
cannot
be
an
employment
law
attorney
a
litigator,
a
charter
attorney
an
Ethics
attorney.
He
can't
know
everything,
although
he
knows
almost
everything.
We
need
to
be
able
to
hire
Specialists
to
answer
questions
when
we
need
them,
and
especially
when
we
get
opinions
from
the
city
attorney
that
we
don't
agree
with,
and
so
we
can
modify
section
five
in
a
minute,
but
the
city
council
attorney
needs
the
ability
to
hire
outside
either
legal
staff
or
outside
counsel.
AE
So
I
would
move
that
we
again
Ask
the
the
it's
not
going
to
be
the
City
attorney.
The
City
attorney
is
going
to
hire
an
outside
attorney
that
will
pick,
but
that
the
City
attorney
through
their
turn,
their
outside
attorneys,
would
review
this
and
and
and
propose
an
ordinance
to
be
presented
at
the
at
the
first
hearing
date
that
we
will
decide
at
the
end
of
the
day.
AI
I
just
had
a
question
of
where
you
want
to
put
this
like
after
in
section
one
after
B1
at
the
end
as
we're,
because
that
says
and
providing
independent
advisory
opinions,
as
requested
by
the
city
council.
AE
AI
AH
Earlier,
thank
you
very
much.
You
know-
and
this
is
a
very
apparently
narrowly
tailored
proposal.
My
my
concerns
with
it
is
number
one
with
the
outside
counsel.
In
other
words,
and
maybe
there's
a
question
for
legal,
is
there
something
that
precludes
or
or
Mr
Shelby?
Is
there
something
that
precludes
Mr
Shelby
from
potentially
retaining
outside
counsel
already?
That
would
necessitate
a
charter.
Amendment
number
one
number:
two,
the
the
potentially
overly
expansive
inclusion
of
quote:
unquote
legal
staff,
which
could
be
so
vague,
I'm
I'm.
AH
Personally,
the
opinion
call
me
naive,
I,
don't
think
Mr
Shelby
and
again
we're
looking
at
the
future
city
council
attorneys.
So
not
just
this
one
but
I,
don't
think,
there's
presently
a
need
for
legal
staff.
I
haven't
heard
that
from
Mr
Shelby
Maybe
I'm
Wrong.
He
can
correct
that
record
if,
if
that
is
so
so
so
again,
my
my
issue
with
this
is:
why
go
through
the
charter
with
us?
AH
If
it's
not
precluded
already,
and
maybe
the
expansive
nature
of
the
legal
staff,
that's
the
one
that
bothers
me
the
most,
but
just
questions
I
pose.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
AG
M
And
I'm
not
opposed
to
making
some
changes
but
the
more
changes
we
make.
The
more
conversation
we're
going
to
have
on
the
changes
us
and
future
council
members-
I,
don't
know
if
the
legal
department
now
upstairs
have
legal
aid
that
does
the
research
I
guess
that's
what
this
is
addressing,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
say
if
they
do
is
very
limited.
Hi
can
I
ask
that
question
of
the
City
attorney
question
may
I.
AG
AJ
M
Sorry,
I
I
made
a
statement
without
knowing
the
answer,
which
is
perfectly
legal
with
me
that
way:
I'm
not
biased.
M
AJ
I
would
say
most
of
the
attorneys
in
our
office.
Do
our
own
research.
We
have
a
few
paralegals
on
staff,
but
I
can
tell
you
from
my
personal
perspective
and
I.
Think
most
of
the
attorneys
in
my
office
are
that
way.
Even
if
we
have
a
law,
Clerk
or
or
a
paralegal
due
preliminary
research
for
us,
we
always
follow
up
with
our
own
okay.
D
M
Going
to
create
another
legal
firm
and
we're
going
to
have
two
firms
and
two
different
opinions,
we
have
to
come
to
some
common
sense
grounds
where
we
can
live
together.
That's
the
problem
we
got
in
the
world,
that's
the
problem.
We
got
in
Washington
and
I.
Don't
want
that
problem
in
Tampa.
Thank
you.
AA
The
to
have
an
outside
counsel
still
comes
back
to
the
issue
of
separation
of
powers
in
the
role
of
the
City.
S
AA
Well,
in
the
18
years
that
I've
been
doing
this
job
I've
not
had
that
that
that
help
and
I've
I
mean
certainly,
this
council
is
different
in
a
lot
of
respects
and
if
I
do
have
any
concerns,
I
do
have
the
opportunity
to
to
to
be
able
to
address
them.
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
relevant,
that
with
the
time
constraints
being
what
this
is,
whether
this
is
necessary
to
be
in
the
charter.
AA
That's
my
position:
are
you
asking
me
you're
asking
me
a
staffing
question
right
now
and
and
that's
outside
the
scope
of
this
Charter?
Do
you
saying
okay,
so
you're
saying
now
do
I
need
to
have
the
opportunity
to
hire
legal
help
if,
if
I
need
it,
if
you
as
of
right
now,
the
answer
is
no
as
of
right
now,.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
Mr
Shelby
for
answering
that.
But
my
question
is:
why
do
we
have
to
put
this
on
the
chart
or
don't
we
have
money
within
our
City
Council
budget?
Should
we
need
to
hire
a
legislative
aide
or
a
legal
aid
or
whatever?
If
that
arises,
you
said
at
this
point.
No,
but
the
money
is
there
to
expand.
You
know
in
your
department
in
Your,
Capacity,
correct,
well,.
AA
The
answer
is:
if
it's
additional
staff-
that's
that's
at
the
end
of
section
2.04,
it
brings
it
up
how
you
can
be
able
to
do
that.
I
was
thinking
if
I
I
would
say,
and
I
I
really
don't
want
to
discuss
this
publicly.
But
I
was
thinking
of
having
conversations
with
the
city
attorney
with
regard
to
you
know
the
use
of
a
paralegal
if
I
should
need
one,
but
I
haven't
discussed
that
with
her
personally
or
publicly
I.
Didn't
anticipate
that
so
the
answer.
AA
AG
AE
W
AE
If
the
city
council
attorney
wanted
to
hire
outside
counsel
or
hire
his
own
staff,
in
your
opinion,
is
that
allowed
by
the
charter
as
it
stands
down.
AE
AJ
If
you're
asking
the
question
about
the
power
of
that
outside
opinion,
which
I
think
was
what
Marty
was
getting
to
earlier,
the
charter
still
says
that
the
City
attorney
is
the
final
legal
opinion
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
if,
for
example,
Mr
Shelby
wanted
to
hire
outside
counsel
to
help
him
with
an
issue
that
he
wasn't
comfortable
opining
on,
he
could.
But
it
would
still
ultimately
be
up
to
our
office
to
determine
whether
that
was
the
position
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
AE
AE
As
far
as
I,
remember
and
I'll
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
but
I
think
at
least
one
of
your
predecessors
said
no,
they
have
to
be
hired
by
the
City
attorney
and
then
they
can
work
with
the
city
council
attorney.
But
the
reason
to
put
this
in
there
is
so
that
no
City
attorney
can
interpret
the
charter
following
that
narrow
line.
AE
AJ
If,
if
the
purpose
of
getting
the
outside
counsel
is
to
arrive
at
a
final
decision
of
the
city,
then
no
because,
ultimately
that's
our
office.
If
the
purpose
of
getting
outside
counsel
is
just
to
get
another
objective
opinion
which
can
then
be
reviewed
by
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
have
no
objection
to
that
and
there's
no
reason
I
should
but.
AE
Like
on
the
on
the
situation
years
ago,
around
the
crb,
when
the
former
mayor
said
I
only
I
alone
have
the
right
to
set
up
the
crb
and
city
council
said
no
former
City
attorney
one
of
your
predecessors
hired
an
outside
attorney
who's
very
well
respected,
but
came
back
with
an
opinion
that
supported
what
that
mayor
said.
The
city
council
members
I
knew
objective
that
didn't
agree
with
it.
If
that
happened
now,
then
then
we
could
hire
an
outside
counsel.
That
would
also
give
give
city
council
an
independent
review.
AE
AJ
Wasn't
about
the
creation
I
mean
it
was.
It
arose
during
the
discussion
about
the
creation
of
the
crb
But.
Ultimately,
she
was
opining
on
whether
there
was
a
conflict
between
the
council
and
the
mayor
and
what
the
role
of
the
City
attorney
was
and
I
agree
with
her
opinion
and
I'm
happy
to
share
it
with
all
of
you.
AJ
AE
Another
example
that
the
former
City
attorney
said
that
only
the
City
attorney
has
the
right
to
sign
contracts
for
settlements
and
and
pay
those,
and
so
if,
if
we
disagree
with
that
and
City
attorney
hire
is
an
outside
Council
former
Bart
president
to
opine
on
that
and
is
Marty
allowed
to
hire
former
bar
president
to
opine
on
it
also,
and
then
we
can
get
both
former
fire
presidents
to
stand
up
and
say
what
their
opinions
are
and
if
they
disagree
sure
the
city
attorney's
opinion
is
the
final
opinion.
AE
But
but
we
will
then
have
you
know
equally
prestigious
person
who
who
may
disagree
with
the
person
the
City
attorney
brings
for
it.
But
you're
saying
it's
a
it's
okay
by
the
charter.
Now
that
the
city
council
attorney
could
hire
that
person,
the.
AJ
City
council
can
hire
additional
staff
to
assist
Fitness
legislative
functions
with
five
votes,
and
if
that
staff
is
used
to
hire
an
outside
counsel
to
provide
an
opinion,
there's
nothing
in
the
charter
that
would
prevent
that.
But
but
again,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
ultimately
my
determination,
whether
that
is
the
final
legal
opinion
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
AE
So
to
my
colleagues,
we
have
this
City
attorney
on
the
record
and
we
know
that
she's
different,
so
we're
not
criticizing
her
for
past
mistakes
of
City
attorneys,
but
we
we
have
her
on
the
record
saying
we
can
do
this.
However,
we
I've,
if
I
remember
correctly,
I've
heard
other
City
attorneys
opined
differently
and
so
I
would
recommend
that
we
pass
this
because
it's
it's
better
to
have
it
clear
in
the
charter,
rather
than
have
any
ambiguity
that
could
be
disputed
by
some
future
City
attorney
thing.
AG
Mr
Carlson,
if
I
may
paraphrase
what
I
heard
based
on
this
discussion
just
so
that
there's
Clarity
is
words,
make
a
difference,
meaning
because
somebody
inhabits
a
particular
office
that
person
may
change
you
want.
It
stated
such
that
no
matter
who
is
serving
in
that
position
that
the
opinion
is
clear
of
what
the
city
council
attorney.
What's.
AE
AE
This
is
really
important,
because
the
only
person
who
reports
to
us
besides
our
aides,
is
the
city
council
attorney.
If
that
person
is
not
able
to
get
objective
advice
then,
and
for
us
then,
then
we
rely
on
the
city
attorney's
office,
which
in
the
past
I
think
has
not
always
represented
city
council
which,
by
the
way,
the
charter
clearly
says
that
the
City
attorney
does
represent
city
council.
Not
only
collected
leave
it
individually,
and
so
we
need
to.
We
need
to
stop
saying
that
it
doesn't
all
right.
Thank
you,
I
I
would
suggest.
AE
I
would
I
make
I
would
like
to
move
that
that
that
we
ask
the
city,
the
city
attorneys
outside
attorney,
to
come
back
on
the
date
that
we
will
agree
on
as
the
first
reading
with
a
new
an
edited
version
of
the
following.
A
new
section,
2.04
B3
quote
higher
legal
staff
or
outside
counsel,
is
approved
as
approved
by
city
council
and
again,
this
is
defining
the
role
of
a
city
council
attorney.
AE
AG
F
AE
AE
M
Hand
and
then
Mr
Viera.
Let
me
say
that's
what
elections
are
for
to
someone
to
get
elected,
whether
it's
anyone
on
the
board
or
not,
and
that's
that's
the
only
way
of
doing
it.
However,
that
being
said,
it's
it's
really
sad
when
you
have
to
bring
up
an
election
during
a
budget
hearing
or
not
a
budget
hearing,
but
a
review
of
the
charter
and
there's
nothing
to
fear
in
an
election.
M
M
All
of
it
doesn't
pay
for
the
police
and
fire.
In
fact,
there's
about
26
million
dollars
short.
So
when
I
look
at
these
things,
it's
imperative
that
we
understand
that
the
Public's
money
should
be
spent
wisely.
I
have
her
no
evidence
from
the
city
council
attorney.
He
said
no.
When
he's
asked,
if
he
needed
any
more
help,
we
have
to
have
continuity
and
you
have
to
believe
in
each
other,
and
you
have
to
trust
each
other
before
you
take
a
step
forward.
If
you
don't
you're
going
to
fail
and
there's
where
we're
at.
AH
Yes,
ma'am,
please
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
just
respectfully
caution:
All
City
Council
Members
about
the.
How
should
I
put
it
straw,
man
of
a
strong
woman,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
of
the
mayor.
There
are
certain
things:
I
agree
with
the
Maryland
there's
certain
things:
I've
disagreed
with
Amir
and
I.
Remember
on
the
issue
of
the
the
so-called
Crime
Free
housing
program
was
requested
to
support
that
I
said
no
I
do
not
support
that
I'm
going
to
come
out
very
strongly
against
it.
AH
Just
the
way
that
is,
there
are
certain
things
that
I
agree.
There's
certain
things
I
disagree
when
it
comes
to
our
Charter
amendments.
There
is
one
that
I
have
committed
to
vote
for,
or
I
disagree
with
the
executive
on
my
votes
have
to
do
with
and
I'm
only
speaking
on
behalf
of
myself,
my
votes
have
to
do
with
what
I
think
about
the
process.
What
I
think
about
each
individual
issue
that
comes
up
has
nothing
to
do
with
my
relationship
with
the
mayor
with
with
with
anyone
else,
just
my
opinion.
AH
I
I
firmly
respect
the
hard
work,
the
the
the
analytical,
the
the
the
analysis
Etc
that
councilman
Carlson
is
put
into
all
these
I
really
really
do,
which
is
why
they
each
deserve
scrutiny
and
rationale
as
to
how
you're
going
to
vote
in
each
because
I
I
respect
that
110.
But
again,
as
for
me
in
my
house,
that's
the
rationale.
I
use
for
each
vote
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
anybody
else,
as
in
the
past
Etc,
it's
just
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
thank.
AG
AG
O
AE
AG
AI
Yes
and
to
add.
AI
AG
AI
AI
M
AG
AG
AA
This
goes
back
to
separation
of
powers,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
the
issue
of
the
the
ability
to
home
rule
authority
of
the
city
council,
and
this
is
a
much
bigger
discussion
frankly.
But
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up-
and
it
was
raised
is,
does
the
an
executive
order,
preempt
preempt,
the
city
council
from
subject
matter
to
be
able
to
have
an
ordinance
that
would
be
reflective
of
the
public
policy
that
was
in
the
form
of
law
and
that
actually
this
goes
back
to
the
2015
crb.
AA
And
what
happened
was
that
city
council
was
contemplating
doing
an
ordinance.
The
mayor
executed
an
executive
order,
and
the
mayor
was
quoting
the
newspaper
saying.
The
city
council
no
longer
had
jurisdiction,
words
to
that
effect,
because
it
could
not
have
an
ordinance
because
there
was
the
executive
order
and
it
was
not
subject
to
city
council
getting
involved
in
that.
That
was
the
basis
of
that.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
role
under
home
rule
of
city
council?
That
goes
back
to
the
separation
of
powers
issue
and
the
question
is.
AA
It's
it's
the
kind
of
question
that
it's
an
overarching
question
and
if
it's
a
form
of
government,
certainly
with
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government,
that
it's
a
public
policy
question
whether
or
not
the
council
wants
to
give
greater
weight
to
law,
to
be
able
to
override,
perhaps
an
executive
order,
and
that's
what
goes
back
to
what
Mr
Miranda
said.
The
mayor's
remedy
to
that
is
a
vote
of
five
excuse.
G
M
The
City
Attorney
at
that
point
is
the
one
that
says:
who's
right
and
who's
wrong.
Did
it
ever
get
to
the
city?
Attorney
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
recall
that
debate.
I
know
there
was
at
the
beginning
of
the
formation.
There
was
some
conversation
until
who
was
going
to
appoint
the
the
board
and
how
many
individuals
are
going
to
be
on
the
board
and-
and
we
settled
something
on
some
formula
where
it
was
at
the
end
very
equitable
and
everybody
agreed
to
it
and
that's
how
the
board
was
formed.
M
That
doesn't
mean
in
the
beginning
there
was
not
a
toggle
between
difference
of
balances
and
that's
what
that
that
Court
law
does
that
lady
holding
the
two
sides
who
is
Ryan?
Who
is
wrong?
Doesn't
matter
it's
a
results
that
really
matter.
So
what
we're
looking
at
it
for
substance?
Are
we
looking
at
it
for
whatever
reason,
if
that.
S
Goods
I'm
confused
I,
don't
see
how
an
executive
order
would
override
in
ordinance
of
law
when
the
book
Collision
states
in
the
charter
that
city
council
sets
legislation
for
this
city
and
the
it's.
The
job
of
the
mayor
is
to
carry
out
the
orders
of
city
council
for
executive
for
for
legislative
legislative
body,
so
I
don't
know
how
an
executive
order
would
would
would
overturn
an
ordinance
on
water.
This
Council
puts
in
I
do
see
the
part
of
putting
the
language
in.
S
That
executive
order
cannot
be
in
conflict
with
an
ordinance
or
legislative
law
about
his
Council,
so
I
could
support
that
today,
because
that
would
be
right.
An
executive
order
cannot
be
in
conflict
with
an
ordinance
of
this
Council.
What
the
charter
already
says
that
we
set
the
tone
and
the
rules
for
long.
AG
AE
Two
quick
examples:
the
example
of
the
crb.
The
whole
problem
with
the
crb
is
that
folks,
that
are
in
the
room
and
others
that
aren't
try
to
create
the
crb
in
a
certain
way
back
in
2015
and
the
last
mayor
disagreed.
So
he
passed
an
executive
order
and
then
those
of
you
who
are
on
Council
know,
city
council,
think
there's
this
whole
fight,
where
the
City
attorney
got
involved.
AE
Hired
outside
Council
city
city
council
passing
ordinance
anyway,
and
there
was
kind
of
a
compromise
of
having
both
of
those,
but
that
was
never
tested
as
to
which
one
would
stand.
And
then,
when
we
redid
the
crb,
with
the
picture
that
Mr
Bennett
showed
supposedly
the
old
or
executive
order
was
superseded.
That
was
part
of
the
deal
and
then
the
new
executive
order
was
there.
But
let's
say
the
the
naming
process,
the
naming
a
building
so
I'm.
Just
using
this
as
a
simple
example,
because
it
doesn't
bring
in
a
lot
of
other
issues.
AE
But
it
is
a
very
simple
thing
that
was
the
new
process
was
put
in
place
by
executive
order
and
there
are,
whereas
Clauses
in
there.
That
say
that
only
the
mayor
has
the
right
to
name
buildings,
and
the
legal
department
agrees
with
that.
So
if
we
pass
an
ordinance
that
says
we're
going
to
name
something
or
if
we
pass
an
ordinance
that
says
only
city
council
has
the
right
to
name
buildings,
then
we're
going
to
have
a
legal
test.
AE
That's
why
I
thought
we
needed
a
conflict
resolution
Clause,
because
if
the
City
attorney
disagrees
and
and
says
that
the
that
the
mayor's
executive
order
supersedes
the
city
council's
ordinance,
then
we
have
a
conflict
because
we
have
a
legal
opinion
that
doesn't
agree
with
what
we
the
way
we
read
the
charter,
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
clarify
this
I
would
be
in
favor
of
and
if
there's
not
a
second
I'll.
Second.
AG
S
Think
it's
clear:
the
charter
says
that
no
order
would
be
in
Conflict,
well,
executive
order
of
being
conflict
with
a
the
legislative
body,
so
this
lady
body
put
in
an
ordinance
it's
the
mayor's
job
to
carry
out
that
legislative
due.
S
B
2015,
when
that
issue
came
up
regarding
the
creation
of
the
crb,
from
my
understanding
the
opinion
from
the
city
attorney
at
the.
B
In
the
executive
order,
thing,
I
disagree
with
I,
think
ordinance
shows
existing
ordinance
and
I
asked
this
question
I.
Think
of
the
city
council
attorney
seven
years
ago
that
city
council
had
the
authority
to
do
that.
It's
clear
in
the
charter,
it's
clear
from
I'm
not
going
to
cite
the
ordinance,
but
the
information
is
there
that
didn't
go
to
a
further
discussion,
because
the
settlement
was
reached
with
that
mayor.
B
How
do
I
know
that,
because
I
tried
to
to
work
it
out
with
him
and
and
we
ended
up
moving
forward
without
escalating
it
to
a
bigger
issue.
However,
it's
already
existing
in
the
charter.
It's
somebody
decided
to
interpret
it
their
way.
I
can
read.
I
have
I
even
have
an
English
degree
on
my
on
my
wall
in
my
office,
that
that
shows
it.
I
am
whatever.
V
B
You
know
I
I
have
interpreted
it
correctly
back
then
it's
clear.
It's
someone
gave
a
different
opinion
in
2015
that
I
so
disagree
with,
but
I
don't
see
the
necessity
of
having
to
change
that
I
mean
myself
I'm,
not
an
attorney
an
attorney.
Anybody
else
could
clearly
interpret
it
if
they
read
that
we
have
the
authority
under
ordinance,
which
is
the
existing
law
that
we
can
create
these
boards
and
whatnot.
So
in
that
case,
we
just
we
disagree,
but
it's
already
clearly
stated
in
the
charter.
AG
So
there's
no
need
as
you're
stating
to
have
this
exact
modification.
Yes,
Mr
did
you
also
have
a
22nd.
AH
Comment
20
seconds:
yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
and
again
it
appears
to
already
it's
it's
almost
like
a
restatement,
a
fact
or
a
restatement
of
already
something
that
exists
within
the
charter
in
our
present
law.
Therefore,
it
makes
it
unnecessary.
It's
not
a
hurt,
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
adverse
consequences
of
it.
I
just
I
I
haven't
seen
the
case
presented
on
why
a
restatement
of
a
present
Charter
language
in
effect
should
be
incorporated.
That's
my
question
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Man
would.
AG
AH
In
other
words,
it
may
I,
yes
may
I.
In
other
words,
it's
my
understanding
that
already
an
executive
order
does
not
override
an
ordinance.
That's
always
been
my
understanding,
in
other
words,
is
there.
In
other
words,
my
question
if
I
may
is,
why
is
this
necessary,
something
that
is
a
restatement
already
of
our
reality?
That's
the
question
that
I'm
posing
I'm,
posing.
AG
AG
I
I
hear
your
question:
Mr
Goods.
S
I,
don't
know
what
time
frame
we
in
but
I,
really
don't
yeah
it's
been
stated,
but
Mr
Manukau
was
said.
There
was
an
issue
you
might
have
worked
it
out,
but
it
wasn't
clear
to
others
who
may
have
the
great
English
degree
that
you
have
to
understand
and
for
Mr
Vieira
to
say:
I
mean
it's
yeah.
It's
here,
I
can
read
it
all
day
long,
but
obviously
there's
been
conflict.
So
how
do
you
resolve
conflict?
You
make
sure
that
people
can
see
where
it
needs
to
be
so.
They'll
never
have
this
issue
again.
S
So
if
it's
in
section
401
that
in
Executive
Order
In
conflict
with
low
ordinance
shall
be
voted,
I
don't
see
the
big
issue
of
putting
that
in
number
and
number
4.1
is
number
12.
it.
It
stays
there
again
in
the
chart
again,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
there.
So
there's
no
misinterpretation
of
of
that
rule.
So
I
don't
understand
how
we
I
just
don't
understand
today.
S
What
we're
doing
here,
I,
just
don't
and
and
to
me
I,
don't
say
the
word
political,
but
some
of
this
stuff
is
common
sense
to
me,
especially
for
patrol
one.
Yes,
it's
down
for
the
charter,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
the
mayor's
section
that
in
a
second
we're
in
conflict
with
a
lord,
it
should
be
boy
so.
S
AG
AE
Just
like
the
example
that
Mr
chair
council
member
Mattis
calculate
there
are
many
interpretations
by
the
City
attorney
that
haven't
been
correct,
and
so
we
need
even
if
it's
redundant,
we
need
to
clarify
it
so
that
for
each
Futures,
City
attorneys
know
clearly
what
the
charter
says.
We
had
a
City
attorney
come
to
us
when
we
started
talking
about
the
crb
a
couple
years
ago
and
said
city
council
cannot
delegate
a
subpoena
power,
because
city
council
doesn't
have
subpoena
power.
AE
I
will
read
section,
it's
short
section:
2.14
investigations
and
the
exercise
of
its
legislative
powers.
This
Council
or
any
special
committee
thereof,
shall
have
the
power
to
conduct
such
investigations
that
hold
such
hearings
as
the
council
shall
deem
necessary,
expedient
and
proper,
and
shall
have
the
power
to
compel
the
attendance
of
witnesses
and
production
of
evidence
by
the
issuance
of
all
forms
of
subpoena
and
shall
have
the
power
to
punish
for
blah
blah
blah
and,
and
so
the
point
is
that
we
get
these.
AE
We
get
these
opinions
can
I
ask
City
attorney
a
simple
question
and
I
don't
want
to
go
back
and
opine
on
all
these
all
these
past.
It's
a
separate
discussion
about
the
former
inaccurate
interpretations,
but
I
just
want
to
ask
your
interpretation:
does
the
charter
now
say
that
in
ordinance
supersedes
an
executive
order.
AE
AJ
AE
AJ
The
charter
there
wasn't
right
there,
that's
why
I
don't
want
to
go
into
this
issue,
ignore
that
advice
at
your
own
risk.
It
was
based
on
case
law.
Is
my
understanding
and
I'm,
not
the
expert
on
this,
but
it
was
based
on
case
law.
The
court
is
always
going
to
look
to
a
subpoena
to
determine
whether
the
party
issuing
it
had
the
power
to
do
so.
AE
AE
AJ
Preceding
that
the
the
example
that
you
keep
describing
back
in
2015
the
issue
wasn't
whether
executive
order
Trump's
ordinance.
The
issue
was
whether
the
city
council
had
the
authority
to
adopt
an
ordinance
that
governed
practices
of
a
police
department
that
only
the
mayor
had
the
authority
to
manage.
That
was
the
issue,
so
it
really
wasn't
a
question
of
executive
order
versus
ordinance.
AJ
AE
AJ
I
would
can't
a
mayor's
executive
order
will
be
void
if
it
isn't
consistent
with
law.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
redundant.
I
think
this
was
what
councilman
Vera
was
trying
to
say.
We
don't
need
to
amend
the
charter
to
say
that
you
can't
do
something
against
the
law.
We
already
know.
We
can't
do
something
against
the.
AE
Law
and
if
we
get
a
new
interpretation,
a
charter,
is
it
against
the
law?
Pardon
if
we
get
if
an
executive
order
was
done,
based
on
an
opinion
of
a
City
attorney
and
and
a
new
City
attorney.
An
outside
attorney
shows
that
it's
a
wrong
interpretation
of
the
charter
that
isn't
it
then
against
the
law
and
it
would
be
void.
AE
AE
Following
you,
there
are
past
opinions
where
prior
City
attorneys
said
that
the
the
mayor
had
certain
rights
and
if,
if
you
have
a
different
opinion
or
if
an
outside
counsel
comes
in
and
has
a
different
opinion,
then
does
that
mean
that
all
of
those
executive
orders
based
on
the
former
opinion,
are
now
void?.
AE
AJ
You'd
have
to
look
at
the
facts
of
that
particular
case.
What
was
the
subject
matter
of
the
ordinance?
What
was
the
subject
matter
of
the
executive
order?
Did
Council
have
the
authority
to
adopt
the
ordinance
did,
or
is
it
governed
by
something
that
the
mayor
has
control
over
and
that's
why
you
know
again
going
back
to
the
crb?
That
was
the
argument
that
the
mayor,
only
the
mayor
had
the
authority
to
manage
the
Affairs
of
the
police
department,
so
only
he
could
do
it
by
executive.
AJ
You
know
create
the
crb
by
executive
order,
but
again
it
was
very
fact
specific
and
I'm.
Probably
you
know
talking
about
at
a
30,
000
foot
level
and
I
think
there
was
more
to
it
than
that.
But
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
facts,
but
I
think
the
point
being
any
executive
order.
That's
inconsistent
with
the
law
is
void
and
you
don't
again
you
don't
need
to
say
the
object.
AE
AG
AG
Mr
goods
and
then
it
looks
like
we
need
to
make
a
decision
on
this.
Yes,.