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Is
it
sure?
Thank
you,
sir.
Good
morning,
council
members.
Good
morning
we
have
Pastor
Travis
Lowe
serves
as
director
of
Trinity
angelican
Church
in
Hebrew
City,
which
is
planted
along
with
his
wife
McHale
in
the
spring
of
22
2022.,
both
ordained
clergy
and
the
angelican
church
in
North
America.
They
enjoy
coffee
reading
and
spending
time
with
their
son.
Rowan
Travis
received
a
bachelor's
degree
in
religious
studies
from
University
of
South
Florida
and
is
pursuing
a
master's
of
Arts
in
theology
at
Reformed,
Theological
Seminary.
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Let's
pray
almighty
God,
we
come
before
you
this
morning,
knowing
that
in
Holy
Scripture,
you
say
that
we
should
pray
for
those
who
are
in
Authority
for
those
who
are
in
positions
of
leadership,
and
so
we
do
that
gratefully
and
gladly
Lord.
We
lift
up
every
person
in
this
chamber
the
councilmen
and
Council
women
who
are
leading
our
city
God.
We
know
that
those
who
are
in
leadership
are
charged
with
the
task
of
leading
in
a
way
that
is
just
and
right
and
good,
and
that
requires
wisdom
and
so
father.
E
We
ask
that
you
would
give
these
leaders
wisdom
in
abundance,
that
you
would
grant
them
discernment
and
knowledge
by
the
power
of
your
spirit,
God.
We
ask
that
you
would
give
each
of
them
the
mind
of
Christ
who,
although
he
was
Lord,
took
on
the
form
of
a
servant.
God
I
pray
that
you
would
give
them
the
minds
of
servants
and
that
they
would
see
themselves
as
servants
for
the
people
of
this
city
and
God.
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We
ask
that
in
all
of
the
deliberations,
all
of
the
decisions
that
are
made
today
God
that
they
would
be
guided
and
governed
in
a
way
that
is
good
and
right
and
true,
and
we
do
pray
for
the
people
of
this
City
Tampa
God.
We
pray
that
you
would
lead
them
to
flourishing
and
to
abundance
and
to
Joy.
We
ask
all
these
things
in
the
name
of
the
father
and
of
the
son
and
of
the
Holy
Spirit,
and
we
say
Amen.
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H
Good
morning,
Mr
chairman
members
of
Tampa
city
council,
members
of
the
public
Mart
in
Shelby,
the
city
council,
attorney
I'm,
going
to
be
very
brief.
Today.
People
are
very
familiar
with
the
guidelines
as
they
are
they're
listed
in
the
agenda
they're
listed
in
the
notice,
and
it
allows
for
the
use
of
communication,
media
technology
or
CMT,
which
requires
pre-registration
and
again
those
instructions
are
available
to
the
public
online
I
would
ask
that
Council
waive
the
rules
to
allow
for
the
use
of
CMT
until
we
change
the
rules.
We.
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C
It's
my
understanding
that
agenda
item
number
two
file,
number
e
2022-8
chapter
27
is
asking
to
be
continued
until
February
23rd,
2023.
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C
To
believe
that
agenda
item
number
nine
is
being
asked
to
continue
until
January
26th
2023
file,
number
cm22-76.
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Ministry.
Yes,
thank
you,
sir.
Let
me
if
I
may
continue
that
all
the
way
to
the
March
20,
whatever
it
is,
Workshop,
that's
we
don't
have
many
there.
If
I
may
March.
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C
March
23
2023.,
please
motion
made
by
councilman
the
era
seconded
by
councilman
Miranda
Rocco
vote.
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I
have
a
motion
made
by
councilman
Miranda
seconded
by
councilman
Maniscalco
roll
call,
Vote.
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N
Yeah
I
think
that
I
I
don't
know
what
city
council's
rules
are
in
regard
to
workshops,
but
some
of
the
items
that
we
moved
we
put
on
the
agenda
at
six
or
more
months
ago,
and
some
of
them
they
all
move
for
different
reasons,
but
some
of
them
we
moved
because
suddenly
a
whole
bunch
of
these
real
estate
issues
ended
up
on
this
agenda
and
I.
N
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
limit
to
how
many
Workshop
items
that
we
can
put
on
and
then,
if,
if
the
administration
or
other
City
Council
Members
come
back
and
want
to
add
more,
then
we
draw
a
hard
line
because
otherwise
we
have
to
keep
moving
these
all
the
time.
It's
as
we
always
say
it's
our
house
or
it's
our
agenda,
but
somehow
half
the
agenda
ended
up
being
things
that
I
think
City
Council
Members
didn't
put
on.
M
Yeah
I
I
agree,
but
I
also
think
that
having
them
topical
helps
having
them
all
on.
A
similar
topic
allows
us
to
talk
about
like
this
is
mostly
focused
on.
M
M
Most
of
them
today
fit
that
mold,
but
it
just
seems
like
it
would
be
nice
to
try
if
we
can
so
that
the
public
is
focused
on
one
thing
and
we're
focused
on
one
thing:
I'm.
Sorry,
no.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
just
going
to
direct
council's
attention
to
a
recent
Memo
from
the
chief
of
staff,
where
he
proposes
setting
forth
workshops
specifically
designed
at
certain
times
of
the
year
for
certain
items
from
the
administration
on
certain
general
areas,
and
that's
something
that
Council
I
ask
that
you
take
a
look
at
because
when
we
do
change
these
rules,
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
be
consistent.
H
The
the
rule
for
the
workshop
is
a
workshop
shall
be
defined
as
a
meeting
of
the
city
council
held
for
the
purpose
of
council
being
informed
on
And,
discussing
matters
of
special
concern
that
require
time
in
excess
of
that
usually
afforded
for
staff
reports
at
a
regular
meeting.
And,
as
you
know,
our
staff
reports
are
getting
more
numerous
and
lengthier.
So
I'd
ask
the
council
to
give
consideration
to
how
it
wants
to
structure
its
workshops
and
certainly
give
me
direction
and
I'd
be
able
to
assist
the
chair
in
and
implementing
that
in
its.
O
Morning,
Mr
chairman
good
morning,
Council
good
morning,
public
John,
Bennett,
Chief
of
Staff,
just
listening
to
the
conversation
I'll
be
brief
and
I
appreciate
Mr
Shelby,
bringing
forward
that
suggestion
and
what
I
have
analyzed
over
the
years
is
that
there's
about
nine
workshops
a
year
I
was
trying
to
Target
six
of
those
in
that
semi-annual
approach,
not
to
just
say
that
this
is
the
only
space
that
can
happen,
but
two
for
parks
and
Public
Safety,
two
for
Housing
and
Development
and
Economic
Opportunity,
and
two
for
infrastructure
and
mobility.
O
And
then
that
also
brings
in
two
more
for
the
budget,
mid-year
report
and
then
also
a
budget
Workshop
after
the
mayor's
presentation
of
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
that
would
make
up
eight
opportunities
and
then
February
was
the
one
that
I
kind
of
left
open
for
you
know
whatever
else
might
come
up
during
the
calendar
year
of
the
fiscal
year
and
then
there's
typically
a
gap
in
November
and
December
and
then
in
the
summer.
O
So
again,
that's
why
I'm
looking
at
nine,
whether
there's
one
missing
in
June
or
July,
has
to
be
discussed,
but
that
would
essentially
take
care
of
nine
workshops
as
placeholders
for
these
larger
Workshop
issues
so
but
we're
flexible
and
supportive.
So
whatever
the
chair
and
Council
come
up
with
we're
happy
to
support.
Thank
you.
H
Yes
and
to
council
member
Carlson's
Point.
That
also
raises
the
issue
that
there
are
things
that
Council
brings
forth
individually,
that
are
sometimes
of
a
time-sensitive
nature
that
sometimes
we
require
a
little
bit
more
work
and
a
little
bit
more
time.
So
it
would
have
to
work
within
some
sort
of
framework,
because
certainly
Council
does
not.
H
If
February
is
the
only
open
Workshop,
you
don't
have
really
one
workshop
for
city
council
once
a
year,
so
it
has
to
be
some
sort
of
a
blend
and
that's
something
that
I'm
willing
to
work
with
the
chair
and
the
chief
of
staff
and
the
administration
to
be
able
to
to
effectuate,
but
I
I'm
Wrecking
I
recognize
that
Council
also
needs
to
have
its
opportunity
to
bring
forth
things
on
a
time-sensitive
nature
in
a
timely
manner.
Customer
Carlson.
N
It's
the
opposite:
these
are
City
council's
workshops,
city
council
hears
from
the
public
every
day,
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
public
in
a
few
minutes,
and
we
bring
up
issues
that
we
think
are
important
for
to
review
and
that
we
want
the
staff
to
ruin
what
Chief
staff
just
presented
is
this:
the
administration
is
going
to
control
nine.
N
You
know
what
happened
to
separation
of
powers
I,
don't
understand
why
the
City
attorney
is
not
stepping
up
saying
that
the
administration
is
trying
to
usurp
the
power
of
of
independent
powers
of
city
council
I
mean
there's
a
separation
of
power.
Here,
we've
got
issues.
We've
got
serious
substantive
issues
that
we
were
supposed
to
discuss
today
and
then
it
suddenly
became
real
estate
themed.
N
Even
though
we
we
booked
some
of
these
six
or
eight
months
ago
and
what's
happening
is
that,
based
on
the
schedule
he
just
described
one
time
a
year,
is
city
council
going
to
be
able
to
put
something
on
the
agenda.
Imagine
that
Council
councilman
Vieira
wanted
to
bring
up
apprenticeship,
program
or
or
something
related
disability.
It
doesn't
fit
any
of
those
themes
that
just
came
up.
It
doesn't
give
us
any
flexibility
whatsoever
to
what
it
is.
Is
the
administration
programming?
N
You
know
what
they
want
us
to
hear
and
we
have
the
right
to
ask
them
they
can
they
can
Lobby
us?
You
know,
as
they're,
doing
on
a
lot
of
issues
already
and
try
to
see
if
we
can
bring
up
their
issues
but
handing
over
the
workshops
to
them.
You
know
we
already
hand
over
most
the
regular
agenda
to
them.
When
is
it
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
bring
up
the
issues
that
constituents
want
us
to
bring
up.
I
I
Whether
we
have
one
item
or
15
items
or
20
items
and
the
public
is
the
one
that
we
serve
the
eight
of
us
that
includes
the
administration,
the
city
council,
members,
so
I'm,
not
against
anything,
that's
happening
I'm
for
giving
you
want
an
item.
You
want
six
or
seven
or
eight
items
cut
off.
That's
fine,
but
I
suggest.
Maybe
the
chair
can
have
more
direct
conversation
with
what's
going
on
on
the
agenda.
I'm,
not
saying
you
don't,
sir,
but
maybe
you
can
say
hey
we
got
too
many.
I
We've
got
to
stop
it
here
and
when
we
have
it
on
Council
discussion,
we
haven't
had
the
first
one.
Yet
we've
got
about
almost
20
minutes
already
discussing
an
item,
that's
not
on
the
agenda,
so
these
are
the
things
that
you've
got
to
look
at.
We've
got
to
be
time,
focused
and
realize
and
I'm
not
saying
we
don't,
because
we
do,
but
I
don't
like
to
bicker
about
things
that
are
small
and
I'm
not
saying
this
is
small
I
want
something
done
when
it's
on
the
agenda
completed
already
today.
I
We
have
how
many
continuations
from
this
agenda
to
another
agenda,
so
that
agenda
then
is
going
to
be
full
without
even
starting
it,
because
we
moved
some
items
from
one
area
to
the
other
area.
So
it's
not
what
side
you're
on
or
the
other
side.
This
is
about
all
of
us
playing
in
the
same
field
to
have
the
same
goals
and
make
sure
that
the
Public's,
the
winner,
that's
all
I,
got
to
say
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
not
doing
that,
but
we
have
to
find
a
better
way
of
defining
it.
That's
all
because.
L
Revere,
thank
you.
Mr
chair,
you
know
so
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
motion
in
place
to
ask
the
chair
to
work
with
our
Council
on
just
three
basic
issues:
to
limit
the
number
of
workshops
that
are
put
on
the
agenda
very,
very
simple
to
a
certain
amount.
L
They
can
come
up
with
a
proposal
deal
with
if
there
are
any
issues
with
the
administration
with
things
that
are
being
put
on
the
agenda
Etc
to
have
a
policy
so
that
the
issues
can
be
weighed
out
and
then
dealing
with
staff
reports
and
then
have
it
come
back
in
two
weeks.
That's
it
end
of
story.
L
My
motion
is
simply
to
have
the
chair
and
our
attorney
Mr
Shelby
just
work
on
a
policy
to
limit
the
number
of
workshops
that
can
be
proposed
either
from
each
council
member
on
an
agenda
whatever
it
may
be.
That
includes
working
with
the
administration
on
things
that
are
brought
on
again
to
have
a
holistic
point
of
view,
as
well
as
limiting
staff
reports.
We
do
that
and
we
solve
99
of
our
problems.
Well,
maybe
60
whatever,
but
we
solve
a
great
many
of
our
problems.
K
C
Is
that
is
that
good
for
for
reading
restating
the
motion?
Thank
you.
Okay.
Any
further
discussion,
councilman
Goods
you.
D
You
cannot
keep
saying
that
you're,
the
head
coach,
the
chairman,
is
the
quarterback
quarterback
runs
the
show
but
you're
the
head
coach
to
kind
of
get
the
overview.
The
scheme
a
little
bit
and
again
Mr
Beer
brought
the
point
working
with
the
chair.
I,
don't
know
the
kind
of
relationship
you
have
with
the
chair
or
not,
but
I
think
that
some
of
these
issues
are
coming
up
you're
in
the
chair
and
he
can
battle
these.
D
D
So
again,
I
don't
want
to
say
that
again,
I
think
a
lot
of
accounts
are
feeling
that
way.
Now,
sir,
so
I
just
want
you
to
be
the
coach
and
the
chairman
can
be
the
quarterback,
but
I
think
the
coach
needs
to
kind
of
lead
the
quarterback,
how
we
need
to
run
I
appreciate
this
right.
I'll
give
back
sir.
C
In
the
comments
Council,
we,
we
are
a
different
Council
than
any
other
councils
come
before
us,
we're
hearing
more
and
more
and
more
and
more
at
each
one
of
our
Council
meetings,
whether
it
be
workshops,
whether
it
be
staff
reports,
rezonings
a
B's
Council
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
another
day,
maybe
two
more
days
a
month.
If
we're
going
to
take
care
of
the
business
of
the
city.
C
Let's
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
Council
of
Vera's
motion.
G
D
D
Good
before
we
get
started
since
we're
talking
about
days
and
so
forth,
Mr
Shelby
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
write
this
down
for
to
be
put
on
the
charter
review.
This
Council
and
this
city
has
grown
tremendously.
D
I
mean
tremendously
we're
no
longer
a
little
city.
This
is
a
full-time
job.
It's
no
longer
part-time
jobs,
indicated
by
supervisor
elections,
saying
part-time
I'm,
going
to
recommend
at
the
charter
review
that
this
Council,
the
city
Charter,
be
changed.
The
city
council
will
be
a
full-time
position.
The
hours
that
some
of
us
are
working
are
out
there
in
our
communities.
It's
tomorrow,
some
families
and
again
it
needs
to
be
stated
as
such,
because
this
this
position
is
no
longer
part-time.
So
I
want
to
have
that
discussion
during
the
charter
review
session.
L
C
B
C
Let's
go
yes,
ma'am,
you
I
understand.
You
would
like
to
have
a
jet
item
number
one,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
and
fifteen
all
heard
together.
Yes,.
Q
Sir
good
morning,
Council
Nicole
Travis,
administrator
of
development
and
Economic
Opportunity,
we
submitted
a
memo
to
you
requesting
that
those
items
be
bundled
together.
These
are
items
that
you
requested
for
us
to
come
back
to
you
in
a
workshop
form.
That's
why
we're
here
miss
feely
and
Mr.
Cotton
are
going
to
present.
Most
of
those
items
to
you
number
item
number
15.
While
it's
on
your
agenda,
I
have
to
beg
your
forgiveness.
I
dropped
the
ball
in
uploading.
Q
The
items
to
sire
so
I
have
a
handout
for
you,
you're,
not
taking
any
action
on
community
benefits
agreement.
It's
strictly
informational.
We
did
public
engagement,
and
so
we
would
like,
if
you
would
indulge
us
in
allow
us
to
hand
out
those
walk
on
these
items.
For
you
today,
I've
heard
you
loud
and
clear
wanting
the
items
ahead
of
time
and
it
was
in
my
inbox
and
I-
dropped
the
ball.
So
I'm
asking
for
your
Indulgence
to
allow
us
to
present
that
information
to
you
today.
If
you
would
please,
without.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
Council
I
just
want
to
bring
this
to
your
attention
when
you
have
these
items
bundled
together,
particularly
when
it
affects
changes
in
the
code
and
I've
spoken
with
Miss
Feeley
about
this
earlier
this
morning.
What
I
recommend
strongly
is
that
what
you
do
is,
when
you
finish
a
subject
matter
within
that
presentation,
you
act
on
a
decision
point
if
there's
a
decision
point
to
be
made
rather
than
hearing
the
whole
presentation
without
interruption
and
then
having
to
recall
the
first
item
after
the
six
or
seven
items
have
been
brought
up.
H
C
R
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Stanley
gray
and
I
reside
at
3020,
West
Harbor,
View,
Avenue
I'm.
Also
here
representing
the
interests
of
the
Urban
League
of
Hillsborough
County,
located
at
1250
Ray
Charles
Boulevard
I'm,
asking
you
to
support
and
legitimize
as
well
as
legislate
all
issues
pertaining
to
the
acceptance
of
accessory
buildings.
R
S
Good
morning
Council,
my
name
is
Nathan
Hagan
representing
MB
Tampa.
Today
we
have
I'm
focusing
on
it
to
three
dollars
as
well.
I
think
that's
the
most
important
item
on
the
agenda
today.
I
just
want
to
focus
on
on
what
I
believe.
The
mission
is
of.
Why
we're
talking
about
this
right
now
we
have
an
affordable
housing
crisis.
Accessory
dwelling
units
have
many
different
perspectives.
The
way
people
looked
at
that,
but
the
way
that
we
need
to
look
at
it
today
is
how
does
this
provide
housing
for
people
who
need
it?
S
So
I
would
just
emphasize
the
goals.
In
my
mind,
of
these
changes
are
to
create
as
much
affordable
housing
as
we
possibly
can.
So
when
we
look
at
the
options,
there
are
ways
to
bicker
about.
Oh
well,
people
are
going
to
say
stuff
about
accessory
or
about
airbnbs,
which
we
can't
regulate.
We
know
we
can't
that
nuisance
is
not
a
good
reason
to
say
no
to
affordable
housing.
S
So
I
would
just
ask
Council
to
keep
that
in
mind
today,
as
we
have
these
discussions,
in
particular,
I've
heard
from
neighborhoods
as
I've
gone
out
and
spoke
to
folks
that
the
height
restrictions
are
going
to
be
a
contentious
topic
when
it
comes
to
voting,
and
so
will
the
setbacks
again.
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
appreciate
how
those
might
affect
whether
units
will
be
built
or
not
be
built
to
the
extent
that
they
will
not
be
built.
That
should
undermine
criticism
to
those
items.
S
S
S
We
should
allow
it
Citywide
that
includes
in
South
Tampa
into
the
few
places
in
North
Tampa.
That
would
not
be
prohibited
by
deed
restriction.
Those
places
should
be
eligible
to
have
them
as
well
as
well
as
Ebor
I.
Don't
think
eboard
is
considered
under
this,
this
change,
so
why
wouldn't
people
be
able
to
have
access?
We
need
that
as
soon
as
possible
and
finally
and
I
think
this
goes
back
to
what
Stanley
was
saying.
Is
this
can't
just
be
for
homeowners
and
people
who
are
occupying
the
primary
structure?
S
There
are
landlords
who
would
like
to
build
more
housing
and
to
rent
it
out
at
affordable
rates.
Not
all
of
them
will
be
affordable,
but
actually
for
adu's,
probably
a
good
deal
than
will
be,
and
you
have
non-profits,
maybe
who
would
like
to
operate
properties
that
have
accessory
dwelling
units,
but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to,
and
the
current
what's
being
proposed,
so
I
would
ask
to
remove
any
restrictions
on
the
primary
residence
being
occupied
by
the
by
the
homeowner
I.
S
Don't
think
that's
going
to
help
us
build
more
units,
I
understand
why
people
have
that
perspective,
but
I
I
would
just
ask
not
not
to
have
those
things.
So
those
are
my
recommendations
for
today
and
I
I.
Hope
that
city
council
takes
this
as
an
affordable
housing
issue,
not
as
a
nuisance,
minimization
issue.
Thank
you.
T
T
I
just
when
I
used
to
come
down
here
a
long
time
ago.
They
didn't
have
a
white,
a
black
man
sitting
up
there
and
didn't
have
a
white
woman
sitting
up
there.
It
was
all
white
men
and
we
thought
about
we
having
a
black
man
sitting
up
there
and
a
woman
sitting
up
there
we'll
get
some
results,
but
it
seemed
like
everything
got
worse.
You
know
you
all
know
that
I'm
gonna
keep
my
trust
in
God.
T
I
didn't
come
down
here
with
my
walk
of
the
day,
because
I
fell
in
the
elevator
last
week,
I'm
not
a
policeman
got,
they
had
to
get
me
up
now.
I'm
walking
with
this
thing
came,
and
it's
worth
it
in
my
Walker,
but
I'm.
Trying
to
do
the
best
I
can
stand
up
for
the
righteousness
of
our
people
are
any
of
y'all,
a
civil
rights
lawyer.
T
If
you
do
I
need
you,
because
I
get
no
results
at
my
church
and
I'm,
a
senior
citizen
I'm
on
a
fixed
income
and
y'all
treat
me
worse
than
they'll
treat
some
of
y'all.
Damn
dogs
and
I'm
trying
to
do
the
best
I
can
to
try
to
keep
my
congregation
coming
back
and
worship
God
Almighty,
because
that's
what
it's
all
about
and
I'm
happy
to
be
here
today,
all
the
painful
but
I
thank
God
that
I
am
here,
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
speaking
for
the
black
folks.
T
Now
I
speak
for
everybody
because
I'm
a
preacher
and
that's
what
it's
all
about.
We
want
everybody
to
go
to.
Glory
everybody
be
up
there
with
Jesus
Christ.
It
is
coming
that
day,
one
day
when
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
come
down
here,
we'd
be
dead
and
be
gone
on
the
glory.
But
you
know
what
I'm
happy
to
come
down
here,
because
we
can
see
I
asked
a
young
lady
at
the
other
day.
Hey.
Why
are
you
don't?
Come
down
to
the
council
meeting,
no
more,
you
go
around.
They
ain't
gonna!
T
Do
nothing
for
me.
You
don't
know
about
anybody
about
it!
That
look
like
a
I
said.
Well,
my
duty
might
change
see.
I
was
born
in
1938.
I
was
born
before
a
whole
lot
of
you
I.
Just
thank
God
that
I
am
still
here
and
still
alive
and
still
kicking,
but
I
want
you
all
to
do
something
for
me.
Do
what's
right
for
all
people,
that's
the
black,
the
Mexican,
the
Jews,
the
white,
big
white
folks
and
everybody
else.
T
U
U
So
that's
unfair
to
the
voters,
who
put
you
all
up
there
to
have
this
ignorance,
people
coming
out
here,
begging
for
fifteen
hundred
dollars
for
Juneteenth
for
a
park
and
34th
Street
black
people
have
bigger
issues
than
that
and
all
this
ignorant
stuff
y'all
doing
don't
make
any
sense,
absolutely
positively.
No
sense
and
it's
unfair
insulin
fairs
hurtful
and
is
harmful,
nothing
more,
nothing
less
and
that
need
to
change.
Invocations
need
to
be
removed
from
the
agenda
or
allow
equal
time
or
rebuttal
response.
This
agenda
should
show
respect
to
the
African
people
in
this
city.
U
By
placing
a
reparations
item
under
agenda
this
city
is,
most
cities
are
on
automatic.
These
City
Council,
Members
or
representatives
are
just
guardians
of
capitalism
and
Distributors
of
tax
money
collected
from
the
masses
of
people
who
are
disrespected
year-round
until
it's
election
time.
The
only
time
these
talking
has
set
up
step
up
to
the
plate
is
when,
when
the
game
is
over,
did
they
step
up
to
the
plate
on
150
million
dollar
project
that
was
going
on
before
Council
discussion?
No,
did
they
step
up
to
the
plate
on
an
18
police
pay
increase?
U
No,
they
don't
even
know
how
much
the
increase
was
going
to
be,
they
just
say
18,
and
they
don't
tell
the
taxpayers
nothing.
Did
they
step
up
to
the
plate
on
a
one
billion
dollar
budget
that
got
stuff
down
this
City
throw
a
budget
with
nothing
in
it
for
26
percent
of
the
African
Community?
No,
did
they
step
up
to
the
plate
when
the
police
is
out
abusing
the
African
Community?
No,
did
they
step
up
to
the
plate
to
solve
or
resolve
any
real
problems
inside
the
African
Community?
U
No,
this
city,
council
or
any
other
city
council
before
it
has
done
one,
not
one
single
thing
for
African
people
or
the
African
Community.
That
is
why
surreal
housing
crisis
in
this
city
and
other
cities,
but
in
reality
it
isn't
the
housing
crisis.
It's
a
global
transition,
a
new
wave
of
white
Manifest,
Destiny
white
people
now
have
never
seen
it
where
white
people
are
moving
white
people,
normally
you're
moving
Indians
and
other
indigenous
people
off
their
land.
U
V
You
getting
old
man
I
have
to
sit
down
Joe
Robinson
first
of
all,
running
for
second
vice
president
of
the
NAACP
on
November
15th
I
need
everybody
vote
to
get
it
straight.
Talk
about
item
seven
Miss
Philly,
talking
about
text
amendments
to
assessment
dwelling
units
we
lead
them
in
West,
Tampa
Charlie.
V
A
30-year
plan
on
incinerator.
I
want
to
hear
that
really
clear,
because
I
think
we're
going
somewhere
with
that.
We
don't
want
to
lose
that
Jewel,
that's
a
sustainable
plant
if
done
right
and
one
of
the
experts
on
it
Community
benefit
agreements,
didn't
have
any
backup
in
here,
but
I
could
read
it,
but
I
think
I
got
it.
We
got
one
on
Rome
yard.
V
Hopefully
this
one
here
might
be
worth
saying:
don't
know
yet
16.
DPR
Now
Behold
my
thoughts
on
that
there's
a
whole
page
of
stuff
here
about
minority
business
and
that
the
expert
in
this
area
on
minority
business
and
then
nobody
asking
me
nothing
in
17,
Hannah,
apprenticeship,
program,
ain't
at
the
ground,
yet
listen
I
come
down
here
and
be
all
day
see
I
decided
to
take
a
day.
V
I
wanted
to
see
her
observe
and
document
face
to
face
and
I
ain't
even
got
my
mask
on,
because
I
ain't
worried
about
covert
and
all
that
you
know
if
I'm
gonna
go
I'm
gonna
go.
But
let
me
say
this
I've
been
helping
this
city
for
decades
decades,
everybody
calling
the
good
bad
ugly.
You
know
they
hate
me
and
all
that.
But
one
thing
about
Joe,
Robinson
I
tell
you
something
you
better
do
something
about
it,
you
better
take
it
seriously
and
that's
going
for
everybody.
Listening
the
NAACP
everybody!
V
Listen
to
what
I'm
saying
School
Board
too
listen.
I,
know
a
lot
and
I
do
a
lot
and
I
ask
for
not
one
dime
back
zero
and
I.
Think
all
y'all
know
that
and
I
go
to
church
every
Sunday
right
Guido.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
this
I'm
here
to
help
not
destroy?
And
the
problem
you
have
is
that
we
got
a
growing
city.
We've
got
so
many
different
things
being
designed.
We've
got
so
many
people
coming
to
town.
We
got
so
much
development.
Y'all
ain't
got
enough
time
for
the
gym
to
carry
that.
V
That's
what
you
was
talking
about
for
20
minutes
this
morning,
like
Charlie
said
you
got
to
figure
out
more
time.
We
got
to
figure
out
more
time
to
handle
the
business
of
the
city.
This
is
the
most
complex.
It's
ever
been.
We
had
a
regular
Mickey
Mouse
budget
20
years
ago.
We
got
a
billion
dollar,
but
things
are
growing,
but
not
the
time
to
spend
on
them.
So
I
ask
that
you
do
spend
more
time
pick.
V
Another
date
come
on
Saturday,
whatever
you
got
to
do,
get
the
backlog
taken,
care
of
and
then
you'll
be
back
to
normal.
So
as
soon
as
you
get
your
backlog
done
and
I
got
a
business
I
do
my
backlog.
That's
why
you
ain't
seen
me,
but
I
ain't
got
nothing
to
do
to
January
2023,
but
to
find
out
what's
going
on,
tell
the
truth
and
keep
everybody
around
here
happy
and
let's
cut
this
nonsense
out,
because
I'm
gonna
be
here
with
you
all
day
document
the
future
reference.
But
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
W
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry
I'm
out
of
breath,
because
I,
but
public
comment
was
at
the
end.
Then
I
thought
it
was
up
on
at
the
beginning
and
then
I
heard
Mr
Shelby
as
I
was
in
the
car
driving
say
you
were
going
to
take
it
after
every
item,
so
I'm
gonna
go
now
since
I
barely
made
it.
My
name
is
Susan
Swift.
My
address
is
3621
South
hesperity
Street
in
Tampa
and
I'll
take
a
deep
breath
and.
W
Get
to
my
comments,
I'm
here
about
the
text,
amendments
so
I'm,
going
to
bundle.
My
comments
here,
I
think
I
have
a
unique
perspective
on
this
and
qualifications
I'm.
Here
today,
representing
myself
as
a
certified
planner
and
a
resident
and
Homeowner
of
the
city.
W
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
I
was
the
zoning
director
for
the
city
for
11
years
in
the
80s
and
the
90s
and
I
opened
the
Construction
Services
Center
and
I
wrote
much
of
the
zoning
code,
which,
admittedly,
has
had
great
and
not
so
great
changes,
since
that
edition
of
it
I
feel
so
strongly
about
some
of
these
text.
W
Amendments
that
are
proposed
today
that
I
actually
took
the
day
off
to
speak
in
person
today
and
I
apologize
for
my
breathing
and
I
also
offer
in
advance
to
meet
with
any
of
you
to
discuss
the
the
drafts
of
these
in
more
detail
and
the
implications
that
they
have
on
the
ground
when
applied.
There
are
several
that
are
great
Concepts,
but
as
written
and
perhaps
unenforceable
in
some
cases,
either
way.
W
I
heard
some
items
were
removed,
I
couldn't
keep
track
of
what
they
were
so
I'm
going
to
tell
you
by
title,
not
number
which
ones
I'm
speaking
on
today
and
I.
I
have
other
concerns
about
some
of
the
others,
but
these
are
the
three
that
I
find
most
important
and
my
my
biggest
and
those
are
the
accessory
dwelling
units
multi-family
and
townhouses
in
all
commercial
districts
and
arterial
and
collectors
which
and
I
will
also
provide
written
comments.
But
I
as
I
said,
I
feel
really
strongly
about
this.
W
There,
the
accessory
dwelling
units
I
think
well,
all
of
them.
I
think
these
three
are
major
changes
in
policy
that
weren't
being
in
the
Plan
update,
not
not
presented
as
tweaks
to
the
zoning
code,
and
those
are
those
three
that
I
mentioned
the
accessory
dwelling
units
and
the
other
two
I
will
give
you
30
seconds
more.
Thank
you
and
the
accessory
drawing
units
I'll
get
to
it
doubles
the
density
in
these
three
areas
of
the
city,
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
have
a
comprehensive
plan.
W
If
this
little
tweak
will
do
that,
the
number
of
lots,
single-family
lots
that
will
now
have
two
I-
would
ask
you
to
ask
how
many
Lots
there
are
in
these
three,
it's
basically
a
third
of
the
city,
so
we're
doubling
the
density
and
a
third
of
the
city.
W
It's
the
having
no
parking
I,
don't
know
where
the
arbitrary
arbitrary
numbers
seem.
They
seem
arbitrary
to
me
no
parking
for
small
units.
Where
are
they
going
to
park?
We
don't
have
good
Transit
same
thing
for
900
square
foot
units.
There's
no
written
part
of
this.
W
That
says
you
can't
have
a
garage
and
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
a
swimming
pool,
and
this
and
that
on
a
five
thousand
or
six
thousand
square
foot
lot,
we
have
storm
water
problems
in
Tampa,
I'll
I
will
also
say
the
most
egregious
is
that
it
allows
adus
in
non-conforming
structures
some
things
that
people
have
been
waiting
decades
for
a
non-conforming
structure
to
go
away
now,
people
are
actually
going
to
put
a
make
it
a
unit
and
make
money
off
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
C
H
Mr
chairman,
an
interesting
point,
was
raised
with
regard
to
public
comment
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
how
Council
wants
to
address
it
at
this
Workshop
we
have.
Multiple
items
are
all
being
heard
at
the
same
time
with
regard
to
how
you
wish
to
take
public
comment.
H
C
H
No,
when
I
talked
with
you
yesterday
with
regard
to
Tuesday's
special
call
Workshop
this
Workshop
I,
I
I,
actually
I,
don't
have
the
notice
in
front
of
me.
I
could
pull
it
up,
I,
don't
know
how
it's
been
noticed,
but
the
question
that
I
have
is
when,
when
the
administration
asks
that
you
combine
items,
the
question
is:
how
does
that
affect
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
be
heard
at
your
Workshop,
considering
you're,
discussing
public
policy
and
formulating
public
policy
at
this
time,
based
on
input
from
the
administration?
H
H
I
know
the
council
has
been
getting
letters
from
people
relative
to
to
some
of
these
items,
but
in
terms
of
knowing
how
to
proceed
for
the
purposes
of
this
Workshop
I
would
just
like
some
sort
of
clarity
for
the
purposes
of
the
Public's
education.
N
Yep
so
I
don't
know
what
their
rules
are
but
haven't.
We
recently
been
allowing
people
to
speak
to
each
item
and
and
then,
if
we're
bundling
a
bunch
of
them
together,
I
guess
they
have
to
speak
at
one
time.
But
part
of
part
of
my
question
is
the
previous
question
or
spoke
to
three
of
the
items,
and
so
what
do
we
do?
Does
she
have
the
right
to
speak
to
the
other
items,
also
that
she
didn't
speak
about
or
or
as
she
just
used
her
opportunity
to
speak.
H
Well,
that's
the
question.
She
indicated
that
she
took
the
day
off
to
be
here
and
I.
Don't
know
what
what
I
mean
I
could
tell
you
what
council's
stated
rules
are.
I
have
asked
this
Council
several
times
for
an
opportunity
to
have
a
workshop,
perhaps
not
a
workshop,
but
a
special
discussion
meeting
in
the
sister
cities
room
or
the
mascot
room
to
talk
about
these
things
offline.
If
we
can.
H
Certainly,
we
didn't
notice
public
meeting,
but
I
just
need
to
be
clear
now
that
when
a
memo
comes
in
from
the
administration
asking
that
the
items
be
bundled,
does
that
then
take
one
two
three
four
five,
six
seven
items
and
combine
them
to
be
able
to
talk
to
Council
in
three
minutes
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
That's
just
all
I
need
to
know
is
just
some
sort
of
clarification
because
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
be
consistent
for
the
person
yeah.
N
I
I
would
just
say
that
folks
have
to
speak
to
the
bundled
items
together.
I
I
assume
that
would
mean
three
minutes,
but
if,
if
we
wanted
to,
we
could
give
them
four
because
it
because
otherwise
they
would
have
three
minutes
each.
N
But
to
the
to
the
previous
speaker,
I
would
say
if,
if,
if
we
have
items
other
than
the
three
that
she
spoke
to
just
like,
we
would
normally
she
would
have
the
right
to
speak
to
all
the
other
items
individually
and
if
and
if
in
the
bundle
there
are
ones
that
she
didn't
speak
to.
Then
she
would
have
the
right
to
speak
again
and
same
thing
with
anybody.
H
Okay,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
because
I
just
want
to
council
to
know
what
the
existing
rules
are,
because
the
subject
to
change
the
council's
ruled
its
council's
meeting
public
comment
on
the
matter,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
workshop,
shall
be
taken
up
to
a
total
of
30
minutes
at
the
end
of
each
Workshop
agenda.
Item
three
minutes
per
speaker.
No
official
excuse
me.
H
No
official
action
on
the
matter,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
workshop,
shall
be
taken
during
or
after
a
workshop
unless
the
public
is
afforded
the
opportunity
to
comment
prior
to
action,
and
that
is
again
subject
to
revision,
but
that's
for
another
day,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
today's
Workshop
how
you
wish
to
handle
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
guidance
and.
I
Councilman
Miranda
I
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing:
the
public
listen
to
us
and
they're
saying
what
are
they
talking
about?
Yes,
is
it
all
the
same
item
or
is
it
all
the
ones
that
we
took
off
that
are
going
to
be
under
one?
What
is
it
one?
Three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
and
fifteen
together
we've
been
talking
now
for
50
minutes
and
we
haven't
had
one
item
yet
on
the
agenda
and
that's
fine
with
me.
However,
we
could
have
done
one
and
three
and
four
more
likely
by
now.
I
I
Maybe
one
of
those
or
maybe
none
of
those,
maybe
all
together,
but
I
believe
they're
entitled
to
speak
on
each
item
and
take
listen
to
it.
They're
the
public
they're
not
used
to
what
we're
doing
here
and
they're
entitled,
in
my
opinion,
to
hear
item.
One
here
item
three
item,
four
individually
and
listen
to
what
we're
saying
so
there'll
be
no
mistake
on
what
we've
done
or
what
we
have
not
done.
I
C
Q
Man
just
make
a
comment
on
that.
The
bundling
is
just
for
us
to
put
the
subject
matter
together.
It's
not
for
us
to
necessarily
not
hire
the
public.
Each
item
is
a
separate
item
will
be
presented
that
way
and
it's
you
can
take
public
comment
and
should
take
public
comment
after
each
one
of
the
items
we're
just
putting
all
the
subject
matter
items
together.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
X
Yeah
how's
everybody
today
my
name
is
Michael
Randolph
and
I'm
with
the
West
Tampa
CDC
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
a
very
important
meeting.
That's
coming
up
that
affects
all
of
us.
The
title
of
the
meeting
is
reducing
Street
balance,
a
national
approach.
X
The
subtitle
is
help
Public
Safety
and
economic
development
connecting
the
docs
together,
let's
bring
together
vendors
Investors,
Business
residents,
government,
the
private
sector,
as
well
as
the
public
sector.
The
meeting
is
going
to
be
discussing
from
Nick
from
communities
from
around
the
nation
to
talk
about
what
they're
doing
in
that
Community
to
reduce
violence.
As
you
know,
in
Baltimore
right
now,
City
around
the
nation
cities
are
needing
in
Baltimore
to
talk
about
the
problem
with
Public
Safety.
X
As
a
matter
of
fact,
Department
of
Justice
is
going
to
be
attending
our
meeting
because
they're
very
interested
in
the
model
that
we're
doing.
In
addition
to
that,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
Bone
Yard
deal
related
to
benefit
Community
benefit.
There
was
the
West
Tampa
CDC
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
Florida
Department
of
Transportation
in
the
partnership
with
West
Sanford,
to
create
over
100
out
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
West
Tampa
Technology
Center.
X
What
building
the
job
creation
center,
as
well
as
have
people
to
talk
about
the
West
Tampa
CAC.
As
you
know,
there
are
different
types
of
programs
available
for
residents
and
commercials
that
people
get
grants
in
the
CAC
area.
In
addition
to
that,
we're
going
to
have
representative
local
Regional
and
federal
government
to
have
a
discussion
about
what's
going
on
in
the
community.
It
is
so
important
that
we
address
the
issue
of
violence
in
our
neighborhood.
X
This
meeting
addressed
that
issue,
not
but
as
a
problem,
but
as
a
solution
and
I
encourage
everybody
to
attend
that
meeting.
You're
going
to
be
surprised
at
what
they're
doing
around
the
nation
to
reduce
violence
in
some
of
the
most
good,
the
best
the
best
of
community
in
our
nation.
That
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
the
31st,
which
is
Monday.
You
can
email
us
at
West,
Tampa,
CDC,
gmail.com.
X
Y
Hi
Caroline
Bennett
I
wanted
to
speak
at
the
time
that
the.
Z
Daily
Deputy
Administrator
development
and
growth
management
I
don't
want
Miss
Swift
to
miss
the
conversation
that
we're
having.
So
we
are
here
today
on
items,
one
three.
Z
Sorry,
one
three
four
five,
six
seven
and
eight:
those
are
all
text
Amendment
items.
As
Miss
Travis
stated,
we
are
going
to
present
each
item
independently.
These
items
have
been
traveling
together
in
front
of
you,
since
the
June
23rd
Workshop,
when
we
first
brought
them
to
you
in
concept-
and
we
said:
do
you
counsel?
Z
These
are
the
things
that
we'd
like
to
work
on
and
we
went
through
all
of
them
and
why
we
were
doing
them
and
then
said
to
you
if
we
have
your
approval
today,
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
get
started
now
on?
Actually
writing
the
text
for
these
I
sent
a
memo
on
September
15th
with
the
actual
text
that
was
associated
with
each
of
these
changes.
We
had
a
public
information
Workshop
last
week
that
information
Workshop
went
for
almost
four
hours.
We
took
each
item
independently.
We
heard
from
the
public
independently
on
each
of
those
items.
Z
Miss
Poyner
was
there
Ms
Zimmerman,
Miss
Swift
was
in
attendance.
We
had
I
believe
we
had
93
registered
and
57
attended
that
public
information
workshop
and
now
we're
here
today
to
talk
back
through
those
items
with
you
again
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
do
have
a
presentation.
Z
Yes,
I
can
okay,
so
just
to
go
over
that
little
bit
of
background,
which
I
just
did
we'll
talk
about
that
a
moment
we're
going
to
go
through
each
of
the
Amendments
and
a
summary
of
the
public
information
meeting
that
we
conducted
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
about
where
we
are
on
process,
schedule
and
timeline
and
then
take
any
questions
and
answers
here.
Z
One
item
the
last
one:
that's
shown
there,
the
West
Tampa
overlay
District
we.
This
was
the
discussion
of
the
alleys
with
the
change
of
the
shell
in
the
May
that
was
back
a
while
ago.
Stephen
has
been
working
with
West
Tampa
on
that
we
did
have
a
text
change
for
that.
Unfortunately,
that
text
change
was
not
noticed
for
today.
Z
So
it's
in
the
presentation,
we're
not
we'll
talk
to
you
about
it.
In
concept
today,
and
then
we
were
going
to
ask
for
November
17th,
but
since
it
was
not
on
the
agenda
today,
we
do
not
want
to
take
any
action
on
that,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
it
continues
traveling,
because
that
was
in
response
to
the
design
exceptions.
If
you
may
recall,
with
a
change
that
happened.
Z
That
said,
new
construction,
May
access
an
alley
and
now
it
says,
shall
and
then
we
were
having
people
come
in
and
ask
for
design
exceptions
to
not
access
the
alley.
You
might
recall
this
was
that
one
house,
in
the
middle
of
the
block,
where
all
the
driveways
faced
the
street
and
the
new
code
was
requiring
them
to
then
access
via
the
alley,
and
it
had
started
some
other
discussions.
So
we'll
talk
about
that
as
well.
Z
But
that
is
not
an
agenda
item
and
again
I'll
take
the
Maya
culpa
and
say:
may
I,
please
ask
for
that
for
November
17th,
because
it
was
not
properly
noticed
for
today's
hearing,
as
I
mentioned
to
you,
this
is
the
July
2022
Amendment
cycle.
It
has
12
changes.
We
came
to
you
in
Concept
in
June
23rd.
We
talked
to
you
about.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
How
does
this
work
and
I'm
going
to
as
we
talk
about
each
one?
Z
I'll
give
a
brief
brief
refresher
on
where
we
were
on
that
we
provided
the
specific
language
in
a
memo.
It
was
a
memo
that
had
an
exhibit
for
each
of
these,
with
strikethrough
underlined
to
you
back
in
mid-september
and
I
came
and
actually
said
to
you,
I
sent
you
guys
this
memo
I'm,
giving
you
the
language
today
we're
going
to
come
back
in
October,
we'll
talk
about
it
then,
but
I
wanted
to
give
the
public
time
I
wanted
to
give
you
time.
Z
I
want
to
give
everybody
time
to
take
a
look
at
that,
and
then
we
did
hold
the
public
information
session.
We
also
did
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
briefing.
We
have
not
gone
for
hearing.
That
hearing
would
be
Monday
of
next
week,
depending
on
the
action
that
you
take
today,
so
we'll
see
where
that
goes
and
we'll
handle
that
accordingly,
so
agenda
item
number
one,
this
was
the
alternative
design
exceptions.
Z
This
first
step
was
just
addressing
public
notice
for
setbacks.
Right
now,
if
you
come
in
for
a
design
exception
anywhere
in
the
city
that
is
not
in
an
overlay
District,
you
provide
public
notice.
Z
This
change
will
now
require
that
if
you
are
in
an
overlay
and
you're
coming
in
for
a
setback
reduction,
you
are
required
to
provide
public
notice.
This
was
an
inconsistency
in
the
code.
This
was
brought
up
by
Miss
Sanchez
and
a
number
of
others
that
well
in
an
overlay
when
you're
getting
a
setback
reduction,
nobody's
getting
notice.
Z
We
said
you're
correct
here.
We
are
we'd
like
to
make
that
change
where,
if
you
are
doing
a
setback
reduction
in
any
of
the
overlays
East
Tampa
West,
Tampa,
Kennedy,
Boulevard
overlay,
West,
Shore
overlay
and
you're
coming
in
administratively.
For
that
request,
you
will
now
provide
public
notice.
That
notice
will
be
consistent
with
27
149
I
believe,
which
is
the
general
notice.
It
would
be
the
250
feet
and
it
would
be
a
mailing
and
the
surrounding
Property
Owners
would
be
notified.
That
is
the
first
change
before
you
today.
That's
item
number
one.
C
V
Joe
Robinson
2338
West
Palmetto
Street
in
West
Tampa
in
a
vice
chair
to
West
Tampa
CDC
on
this
one
I,
don't
have
any
objections
to
this.
It's
something
that
need
to
be
done.
We
found
this
out
when
we're
getting
the
so-called
Good
Neighbor
notices,
and
there
was
an
issue
that
came
up
where
we
wasn't
getting
these
design
reviews
because
they're
administrated
me
pretty
much,
but
this
will
solve
the
problem
and
it
gives
better
notice.
V
C
Y
You
hear
me
I
I
support
this
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
alignment
with
the
rest
of
the
code
and
I'd
like
to
thank
Mr
cotton
for
bringing
this
forward.
Thank
you.
Y
I
Councilman
I
just
want
to
Clarity.
This
is
the
only
thing
that
number
one
is
about.
Yes,
sir.
Yes,
sir,
unless
I
got
the
wrong
thing
here,
it
says
number
one
and
I
turn
it
back
here
and
it
talks
about
accessory
structures
and
allowing
single-family
attached
or
multi-family
to
be
permitted
in
offices
and
districts
and
so
forth.
That's
not
here.
That's.
I
K
I
we've
heard
from
the
from
the
public
and
I
would
agree
with
this.
Do
you
just
need
a
motion
after
discussion
that
we
move
forward
with
this?
Okay.
M
M
K
So
move
to
move
forward
with
section
27-60
on
the
alternative
design
exceptions
regarding
the
setback,
reduction
requests
and
public
notice
requirements
in
the
overlay
District
a.
C
Z
The
next
item
agenda
item
three,
as
you
just
mentioned,
this
is
the
codification
of
our
downtown
design
review
process.
The
downtown
design
review
process
has
been,
in
effect
for
a
while,
there's
been
a
placeholder
in
the
code
for
the
codification
of
that
process,
but
the
process
was
never
codified.
This
is
this
section
which
takes
a
process.
We've
been
doing
now
for
several
years,
when
the
downtown
code
was
updated
to
be
a
form-based
typed
code,
it
had
a
administrative
process
when
a
project
comes
through
to
ensure
compliance
with
those
form-based
objectives.
Z
C
V
Is
Jill
Robinson,
2338,
Government,
Street,
Tampa
Florida,
since
I
might
be
getting
some
property
downtown.
This
is
necessary
because
there's
some
vacant
Lots
downtown
and
what
we
need
in
the
city
and
you're
doing
the
right
thing
today.
You're
getting
this
thing
together,
you're
codifying
it
back
when
Charlotte
was
around.
You
know.
This
stuff
was
just
like
walk
over
here
and
do
that,
but
this
will
make
it
clear
to
anybody
coming
into
town
downtown
that
you're
part
of
a
code.
You
have
an
appeal
right
and
you
can
do
that.
V
C
I
No
as
long
as
I
have
no
question
as
long
as
it's
only
for
that,
not
for
any
non-conforming
structure
to
be
added
to
another.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Miss
feeling
do
you
need
a
motion.
Z
Z
Thank
you,
Council
Abby,
feely,
addendum
item
number.
Four
is
also
in
concept:
A
clo,
a
code
cleanup,
sorry
they're,
one
of
a
reason,
privately
initiated
text
amendment
that
was
done
by
Mr
michelini
addressed
townhome
design,
and
this
talked
about
allowing
residences
to
face
interior
courts
rather
than
Street
rights
of
play.
You
see
this
a
lot
in
a
lot
of
PD's.
Most
familiar
to.
You
would
be
probably
the
letter
carriers
that
came
recently.
Z
There
are
two
places
in
the
code
where
these
town
home
design
standards
exist.
One
is
for
single-family
attached
design
standards
that
is
fee,
simple,
Town,
Homes,
okay,
the
second
one
is
for
multi-family
town
home
style.
Those
are
rentals
when
it
is
not
plotted.
Mr
Michelini's
Amendment
changed
one
of
those
two,
but
not
the
other.
So
staff
was
making
this
change
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
code
was
consistent
for
either
rental
type,
townhome
or
fee
ownership
town
home
in
terms
of
design.
That's
all
that
this
amendment
is
doing.
C
M
I,
don't
support
this
I
think
it's
just
not
a
good
idea,
because
if
we
don't
make
them
make
Developers
focus
on
the
street,
it
will
not
happen.
So
not
only
do
I
not
like
this
I,
don't
believe
I
was
here
for
that
other
Amendment.
So
I
would
like
to
take
that
one
back.
That's
that's!
My
personal
stance
on
this
I
do
not
agree
with
this
at
all.
M
People
who
have
town
homes
and
single
family
attached
developers
just
need
to
do
a
better
job
about
making
them
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
instead
of
just
shove
in
on
a
lot,
and
if
we
we
allow
this,
then
we're
just
going
to
continue
to
show
things
in
on
a
lot
and
I.
Just
do
not
agree
with
that,
and
that's
exactly
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
public.
Everyone
is
saying.
Absolutely
not
we
want
we.
We
want
to
encourage
Street
facing
and
interaction
with
the
street.
Now
what
that
might
require
is
change
and
I
know.
M
A
lot
of
this
happens
is
because
of
our
requirements
for
green
space
and
I
would
be
happy
to
to
take
a
look
at
that,
because,
if
we're
adding
these
town
homes
that
we're
adding
density,
I
think
Green
Space
the
way
they've
been
putting
it
in
just
looks
wrong.
M
It
doesn't
fit
if
you
look
on
Florida
Avenue,
most
recently,
there's
some
development,
just
north
of
Flora
Braska,
where
you,
where
they
put
like
seven
magnolia
trees
next
to
one
another
and
makes
no
sense
a
they're
all
gonna
die
because
they
don't
have
enough
space,
but
there's
no
connectivity
to
that
street.
So
how
do
we
work
on
that?
How
do
we
change
the
the
landscape,
design
or
the
green
space,
rather
so
that
those
can
face
the
street
more
welcomingly,
more
close
to
the
street?
M
Maybe
just
look
at
things
a
little
bit
differently,
because
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
these
people
mostly
hate
them
because
they're
just
not
connecting
so
I
think
we
could
do
we
all
like.
We
do
a
better
job.
D
V
V
They
were
going
to
try
to
put
four
over
there
and
we
fought
that
and
thanks
to
Abby
that
didn't
happen,
because
it's
rn16.,
even
and
and
so
this
issue
of
facing
the
street
is
really
good,
because
one
thing
is
as
a
emergency
vehicle
I
know
where
they're
going,
you
got
to
go
ahead
and
then
you
know
they
looking
for
addresses
with
the
ambulance
is
coming
now.
You
got
multiple
units
and
they
lying
like
that.
V
Like
the
one
on
Florida,
Avenue,
I
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
straight
and
if
somebody
really
wants
to
change
it,
this
way
is
to
ask
for
waivers-
and
this
way
to
get
stuff
done,
but
that'll
be
more
like
a
one-off,
instead
of
it
being
an
automatic
the
next
product.
What
the
issue
is,
if
people
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
the
one-off
process,
so
I'm
not
supporting
this
one
either
because
I
got
one
in
front
of
me.
V
It's
been
put
on
a
75
foot,
lock,
Sally
and
it's
doing
a
great
development
but
I'm
going
to
Scag
the
only
house,
man
I'm
sitting
on
four
five
lines.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
is
that
to
have
this
sideways?
The
guy
would
have
jammed
it
in
there
and
then
what
happens
is
I
got
parking
issues.
V
I
got
to
be
the
parking
Patrol
man
across
the
street,
and
the
only
thing
I
got
to
say
is
that
they
took
up
their
curve,
their
their
18
inch
by
four
inch,
Granite
historical
curve,
Channing
on
a
Brick
Street,
and
that
is
no
more
curb.
Now
they
got
dried
with
it.
It's
pulling
up
and
I
swear
to
curb
at
I.
Think
I
left
a
mess
with
you,
Mrs
Abby.
Yesterday
ain't.
V
S
Good
morning,
Council
Nathan
Hagin.
This
is
a
very
nuanced,
not
really
important
issue,
but
I
I
want
to
call
out
that
I
think
it's
very
strange
that
we're
regulating
rental
type
units
differently
than
these
platted
owned
Parcels
I
think
that
the
fact
that
there's
a
different
set
of
rules
for
different
types
of
people
and
that's
part
of
the
code
is
very
concerning
to
me
so
I
would
love
to
see
that
address
I,
don't
really
care
which
direction
we
go,
but
I
also
want
to
call
out
that
they're.
S
A
theme
in
the
comments
that
I
hear
about
issues
like
this
is
that
there's
basically,
this
is
again
me
being
a
little
bit
facetious
a
war
on
town
homes
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
where
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
neighborhood
people
who
own
single-family
homes
are
fighting
Town
Homes
every
corner,
every
opportunity
they
have
in
January
or
February.
We're
gonna
have
a
discussion
about
quad
plexes.
S
If,
if
that
doesn't
get
bumped
from
that
Workshop,
you
know
we
can't
build
anything
but
Townhomes
if
you're
not
building
an
apartment,
complex
or
single
family
home.
So
the
more
we're
discouraging
town
homes
and
we're
not
making
progress
on
any
other
types
of
missing
middle
we're
not
moving
forward
at
all,
so
in
fact
we're
moving
backwards.
S
So
I
would
just
you
know:
I
I,
don't
really
care
about
this
particular
item
but
consider
the
broader
context
of
of
what
we're
doing
to
fight
townhomes
and
making
no
progress
spending
all
that
time,
fighting
town
homes
and
making
no
progress
on
these
other
opportunities
to
create
housing
and
also
what
what
does
it?
What
standard
is
it
set
to
the
community
that
you
know
we're
a
city
council
that
doesn't
like
town
homes
and
you
know
we're
gonna?
S
You
know
the
reason
why
people
are
fighting
these
are
are
not
just
because
they
are
face
they're
not
facing
the
street,
because
every
door
can't
face
the
street
on
every
type
of
missing
middle
housing
that
exists.
You
know
so
that's
kind
of
convoluted,
but
there's
a
bigger
context
here
when
I
see
these
kind
of
items.
So
thank
you.
Y
Yes,
sir
I
do
I
upgrade
the
Giant
submission,
because
that's
the
kind
of
density
and
I'm
not
even
against
the
townhouses,
but
when
you're
talking
about
35
feet
on
top
of
being
built
up
10
feet,
you
have
a
huge
building,
seven
feet
from
somebody's
next
door
and
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
I
sent
you
guys
a
data
set
for
the
last
four
evening.
Meetings
attached
to
one
of
my
emails
and
of
those
24
were
misnoticed,
go
figure
and
most
of
them
directly
applied
to
this
particular
issue.
Y
I
live
in
the
neighborhood,
that's
12
single-family
homes
and
36
townhouses
they're
beautiful.
They
are
duplexes
they're,
not
35,
feet
high.
They
did
a
fabulous
job,
setting
them
on
smaller
Lots.
It
can
be
done.
I
would
also
offer
that
casabella
Circle
should
be
an
example
of
how
you
can
have
inward
facing
properties,
but
to
just
give
card.
Blanche
I
have
to
agree
with
councilwoman
hertak.
Y
It
shouldn't
have
passed
in
the
first
place
and
I
would
also
offer
that
if
you
take
a
little
bit
of
time,
I
would
suspect
that
the
same
development
representative
that
got
it
passed
before
probably
misnoticed
on
most
of
these,
so
you
guys
go
figure
on
who's
the
misnotice
and
who
wants
it
the
most,
but
I
have
a
neighborhood
right
now,
it's
a
missed
notice,
but
this
particular
situation
where
they're
going
to
back
up
to
a
single
family,
1970s
house,
that's
one
story
and
these
people
will
be
looking
45
feet
up
at
the
building
next
door
to
them.
Y
Y
Hi,
my
name
is
Caroline
Bennett,
basically,
I
agree
with
everything.
Councilwoman
heart
attack
and
councilman
Goot
said
and
I
also
agree
that
there
are
times
when
that
can
be
done
and
those
can
be
dealt
with
like
what
Stephanie
talked
about
the
casabella.
But
carte
blanche
is
not
the
way
to
go
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
and
I
also
agree
with
Nathan,
they
shouldn't
be
different,
but
I,
don't
think
they
should
be
changed
this
way
they
should
be.
The
one
that
was
changed
should
be
changed
back.
Y
I
also
want
to
address
the
whole
issue
of
missing
metal.
Part
of
the
problem
with
the
missing
middle
in
this
city
is
all
the
residences
that
are
being
torn
down
to
create
gigantic
Mansions
or
the
apartment
complexes.
Where
average
people
can
afford
it
and
they're
being
torn
down
and
every
apartment
now
is
two
or
three
times
the
square
footage
of
the
original
there's
no
additional
units,
so
they're
not
increasing
density
they're,
just
making
each
one
grander,
they're
the
height,
they're,
maximizing
or
asking
asking
for
exceptions.
Y
Y
There
were
people
who
got
up
and
spoke
at
the
vrb
who
said
I
would
have
purchased
that
home
I'm
a
single
person
and
that
would
have
been
within
my
price
range
I
would
have
purchased
that
old
home.
But
this
six
bedroom
house
is
out
of
my
price
range
and
it's
ruining
the
neighborhoods.
We
need
these
older
apartment
complexes.
We
need
these
older
duplexes.
We
need
these
older
single-family
homes
that
are
modest
and
affordable
and
they're
all
being
eliminated
in
favor
of
luxury,
gigantic
housing
and
that's
a
big
part
of
the
problem.
Thank
you.
M
I
just
want
to
say
it's
not
an
issue
for
me
of
disliking
Town,
Homes
I.
Just
think
that
they're
not
right
for
every
lot,
and
we
should
be
looking
at
facts
which
I
know
aren't
Town
Homes
I
know
they
have
a
different
name,
but
but
we
could
do
instead
of
three-story
for
one
town
home.
It's
three
stories,
one
on
each
level
I
mean
that
go
further
back
into
a
lot.
There's
so
many
different
things
that
we
and
that's
the
missing
middle.
M
N
Councilman
Carlson
yeah,
just
I,
agree
with
the
comment
councilmember
her
Tech
said
just
now
and
also
before,
but
to
to
Nathan's
Point
Nathan
brings
a
lot
of
good
thoughts
and
ideas
and
I
appreciate
him.
Pushing
on
this
I,
don't
I'm,
definitely
not
against
Town,
Homes,
I
and
I.
Don't
think
this.
This
board
is
I'll,
just
speak
for
myself.
A
second
I
think
there
are.
There
are
different
ways
that
developers
and
their
representatives
approach
these.
N
If
they,
if
they
come
in
and
they
they
mostly
fit
the
configuration
and
existing
entitlement
and
they
want
small
changes
and
they're
they're
consistent
with
the
size
scale
and
in
some
cases
the
design
of
the
neighborhood.
The
neighborhood
doesn't
object
to
it
at
all.
But
what
happens
is
the
the
opposite?
If
the?
If
they
refuse
to
talk
to
the
community
or
they
don't
have
a
dialogue
with
Community,
they
don't
listen
to
them
and
then
they
come
in
with
I'm
using
worst
case
scenario.
But
then
they
come
in
with
a
Suburban
design.
N
That's
a
big
box,
that's
tall
and
out
of
scale
and
and
then
they
try
to
get
all
kinds
of
variances.
Those
are
the
cases
that
have
problems
and
so
and
then
also
if
you
can
put
five
in
minutes
and
you
want
to
put
10,
then
you
might
run
into
problems.
So
if,
if
folks
are
reasonable
work
with
the
community
and
work
within
the
guidelines
of
the
law
and
the
existing
entitlements
and
what
small
exceptions
I
think
we
approve
them,
almost
all
the
time,
I
think.
Z
Z
Thank
you
and
then
I
have
the
one.
Also,
that
is
the
multi-family
standards
and
the
the
current
language
that
said
the
ground
floor,
entrances
front
doors
to
the
dwelling
unit
shall
face
the
street
right
away,
not
including
in
alleys
rather
than
the
side
or
corner
lot
lines.
Entrances
May
face
interior
courts,
plazas
or
similar
design
element.
Z
And
then
this
was
the
one
that
was
changed
by
Mr
michelini,
because
now
you
see
it
no
longer
says
as
an
alternative
design
through
the
zoning
administrator
that
number
one
there.
That's
the
one
that
had
recently
been
modified
and
then
we
did
have
the
diagram
to
show
that
on
these,
what
happens
is
they
could
build
those
first
two
on
the
far
right
that
are
on
the
street,
but
then
they
would
need
an
exception
for
the
remaining
eight
unit
or
the
remaining
eight
units
that
are
shown
up
there.
Z
So
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
counsel
to
keep
the
code
the
way
it
is
that
it
requires
alternative
design
by
either
the
zoning
administrator
or
coming
before
Council
as
the
portion
of
a
PD,
then
I
would
say
that
we
need
to
go
back
and
modify
the
one
that
was
recently
done
in
order
to
put
it
back
to
the
way
that
it
was.
M
27-282.9
is
that
10.,
sorry
10.
and
then
also
my
second
motion.
Well,
I.
Guess
I
need
to
do
that.
One.
First,
anybody
we.
C
M
My
other
one
is
a
motion
for
staff
to
come
back
with
ideas
to
encourage
townhouse
style
homes
to
face
the
street,
possibly
looking
at
reducing
Green
Space
and
also
looking
at
some
design
standards.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
the
appropriate
place
for
that,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
what
I'm
hearing
from
my
colleagues
and
from
the
public
today
is
that
they
just
don't
fit
so
I
know
if
we
had
some
design
standards
that
could
help.
N
Yeah
comment
real
fast:
this
Council
didn't
approve
it,
but
there
are.
There
are
town
homes
that
have
been
built
in
Hyde
Park
in
the
last
10
or
15
years,
and
when
you
drive
by
them
they
look
like
single-family
homes,
but
there
are
like
four
units
inside
it,
but
the
wit,
but
they
designed
them
in
the
Arc
in
a
way
that
you
can't
tell
and
they're
I
think
the
point
is,
there
is
a
way
to
get
density
while
being
sensitive
to
the
surrounding
area.
N
M
I
also
noticed,
if
you
go
back
to
the
actual
ordinance
itself,
could
you
go
one
one
back
or
two
back
or
obviously
we
should
try
to
make
these
similar?
We
should
try
to
have
these
mirror
each
other
and
one
thing:
I,
don't
like
in
the
current
language
is,
it
says,
ground
floor
entrances
to
the
dwelling
unit
shall
face
the
street
right
away,
not
including
alleys
and
I.
Think
that
if
we
really
want
to
work
on
density
and
inclusion
of
things,
why
can't
they
face
the
alley.
Z
We
can
talk
about
that
when
we
come
back.
There's
a
long
history
to
that
and
it's
part
of
what
happened
in
curiosity
oscarana
when
they
were
going
in
that
way.
Alleys
typically
don't
have
the
same
amount
of
capacity
and
are
not
designed
in
the
way
that
a
street
is
designed
and
you
have
activity
going
on
in
the
alley
that
was
not
conducive
to
the
entries
to
those
units
occurring
there.
Z
We
have
presentations
I'm
happy
to
share
with
you
of
I,
don't
want
to
say
the
obliteration
of
our
alleys,
but
the
other
thing
is
when
I
EMT
or
fire
comes
down
and
you're
having
a
heart
attack.
You
can't
be
addressed
off
an
alley,
so
they're
going
to
the
front
of
your
unit.
It's
a
there's.
A
couple
facets
related
to
that
and
I'm
happy
to
get
into
that
when
we
come
back
and
have
that
discussion
related
to
the
single
family
attached,
I.
M
Also
but
I
think
that's
a
larger
discussion.
We
need
to
have
about
alleys.
We
already
have
the
alleys
they're
there.
We
don't
maintain
them
they're.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
with
our
alleys,
but
if
we're
really
talking
about
density
and
increasing,
we
have
to
look
at
every
possible
way
and
I.
Think
that
if
you
look
at
any
big
city,
you
will
see
people
who
who
come,
who
have
residences
off
of
valleys.
M
So
I,
don't
think
that
history
and
what
has
happened
in
an
alley
before
is
what
should
stop
us
I
think
we
should
think.
How
do
we
improve
that?
Ali?
Yes,
I
know
that
costs
money,
I
know
that
takes
time,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
longer
term.
This
city
really
needs
to
look
at
for
affordable
housing.
We
absolutely
we
have
such
deep
lots
and
that's
part
of
what
these
issues
of
these
Town
Homes
is.
If
we
just
had
four
places
that
have
alleys,
why
can't
they?
Why
can't
they
face
an
alley?
M
I
mean
you
go
to
Seattle:
they
they
have
full-on
houses
that
face
alleys
and
yes,
they've
had
to
work
to
make
their
alleys
better.
But
they're
not
really
that
much
bigger
than
ours.
I'll
say
that
so
I
I
really
would
love
a
further
discussion
on
how
to
make
alleys
inviting
and
I
mean
this
may
be.
This
may
be
something
for
much
further
in
the
future,
but
I
think
we
should
keep
that
idea.
There
I
I
would
love
to
take
away,
not
including
alleys
from
that
language.
Council.
C
N
Yeah,
you
know
I
I
vote
against
most
of
the
alley
vacations
because,
especially
in
South
Tampa
alleys
are
so
important.
I
understand
some
neighborhoods,
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
or
people
have
vacated
part
of
the
parts
of
them,
but
we
need
a
better
Alley
maintenance
program
because
we
have
trees,
blocking
them
and
and
and
garbage
trucks
now
have
refused
to
go
to
certain
neighborhoods
because
of
it.
But
my
old
house
in
Hyde
Park,
the
I,
didn't
build
it.
N
It
was
a
1921
house,
but
the
garage
was
built
facing
the
the
alley
and
and
all
of
my
neighbors
went
in
and
out
through
the
alley
and
a
lot
of
people
have
some
kind
of
dwelling
unit
above
their
garage,
and
so,
if
you're
talking
about
adus,
you
especially
need
to
be
able
to
put
the
parking
in
back,
and
you
know,
design
standards,
mostly
in
cities,
are
putting
parking
in
back
instead
of
Designing
the
street
level
to
to
be
heavy
on
garages.
It's
it's
inviting
to
people
and
you
put
the
garage
in
the
back.
D
I,
look
at
Public
Safety
in
the
alleyways.
Alleyways
are
horrible
in
Tampa
and
the
garbage
man
many
many
moons
ago,
Mr
Randy's
to
go
through
that
no
and
allies
are,
the
trucks,
are
bigger.
Now
cars
are
bigger
now
and
they're
not
maintained.
So
if
you're
talking
about
Alleyways,
you
gotta
look
at
a
maintenance
plan
for
an
alley
one
anyway,
but
I
don't
know.
D
If
I
really
could
support
down
the
road
I
mean
I
can
see
a
garage
in
the
back
of
an
alley
but
for
a
place
to
be
facing
an
island
just
aesthetically
and
for
the
community.
I
just
don't
know
about
that,
but
I
can
see
utilizing
yeah,
but
just
as
far
as
the
design
having
an
alley
in
the
front
door
facing
out
I'm.
Just
not
sure
on
that.
D
I
Memorandum,
you're
absolutely
correct
and
those
things
councilman
Goods
Ali's
at
that
time
were
for
garbage
trucks
to
go
by,
but
they
were
different.
They
had
four
individuals
and
it
wasn't
that
wide.
It
wasn't
that
long
and
it
wasn't
that
heavy
Mary
carried
a
fifth
of
what
we
carry
now.
I
There
was
a
driver,
two
throwers
and
one
catcher,
and
it
would
throw
in
and
every
day
and
I,
don't
know
how
they
didn't
break
their
backs,
but
evidently
they
survived
and
what
we
have
now
are
monstrous
trucks
that
are
not
even
comparable
to
what
we
had.
What
we
had
then
compared
to
now
is
like
having
a
mini
car,
a
half
the
size
of
a
Volkswagen
compared
to
what
we
have
now,
that
picks
up
tons
and
tons
of
it
and
takes
it
out
to
the
to
the
plant
to
get
burned
and
disposed
of.
I
So
things
have
changed.
The
alleys
have
not
gotten
any
bigger.
They
were
drafted
that
way
most
of
the
alleys
that
I
remember
and
Ybor
City.
Are
there
a
lot
of
them
in
West
Tampa?
If
you
do
a
really
a
study,
look
at
them,
50
percent,
don't
have
an
alley.
It's
already
been
closed
years
ago
and
the
other
percent
have
an
alley
that
cannot
make
a
turn
into
a
house
because
of
the
width
of
the
alley,
I'm,
not
saying
that
all
of
them
can't
make
a
turn,
but
most
of
them
I,
don't
believe,
can.
M
I
just
want
counsel
to
think
about
this,
because
we're
going
to
be
having
a
discussion
about
adus,
where
do
they
face
those
entry
doors
face
the
alley
for
most
part,
and
so
what
we're
saying
is
they're
good
enough.
I
mean
a
lot
of
them.
Can
the
the
neighborhoods
that
I'm
in
are
are
Adu
the
front
door
faces
the
alley,
so
I
I,
don't
think
we
should
not
I
I
think
we
should
discuss
this
more
because
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
adus
will
face.
M
That's
how
that's
where
our
parking
is
from
the
alley
from
our
Adu.
We
have
multiple
adus
in
our
neighborhood
that
actually
enter
from
the
alley
and
those
citizens
I
mean
it
kind
of
feels
like
we're.
Not
I
mean
don't.
They
deserve
a
good
front
space.
M
We'll
talk
about
that,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
right
now
we
already
have.
We
already
have
accessory
dwelling
units
that
face
the
alley,
so
I
I
think
that
expanding
that
isn't
outside
of
the
realm
of
what's
already
occurring
in
the
city.
So
anyway,.
C
Councilman
cross
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
further
discussion
I
am
going
to
vote
Yes
on
this,
but
you
you
touched
on
one
thing:
permeable
space
taking
away
Green
Space.
We
already
have
constituents
that
are
out
there,
calling
our
offices
about
flooding
that
comes
from
another
building
onto
their
property
or
excessive
flooding
that
runs
off
of
housing.
That
is
too
big
for
the
lot
into
their
streets.
So
I
am
going
to
vote
with
you
on
this
one,
but
I
want
to
bring
this
up
in
further
discussions.
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
aye.
C
M
Do
want
to
make
another
motion
about
alleys,
but
I
want
to
work
with
Stephen
on
that
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
like
timing
and
like
the
depth
of
discussion
about
Ally's.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
would
like
to
bring
that
forward
in
a
future
meeting.
I
will
have
a
motion
about
having
a
deeper
discussion
about
our
alleys,
so.
Z
Thank
you,
Abby
feely
agenda
number
item
number
five
is
to
discuss
the
ability
for
single
family
attached
and
multi-family
residential
to
become
a
permitted
use
in
our
commercial
districts
right
now,
oops
I
went
the
wrong
way.
Sorry
right
now,
multi-family
residential
and
single
family
attached
are
permitted
in
our
commercial
districts
as
an
S1,
a
special
use
one,
and
there
are
two
criteria
that
go
with
them.
Z
So
if
you're
in
a
commercial
General
zoning
district-
and
you
would
like
to
put
apartments
in
there,
you
could
come
in
through
an
administrative
process
and
there
are
two
criteria
that
go
with
that
process.
The
first
is
that
you
are
on
an
arterial
or
collector
Street,
and
the
second
is
that
you
follow
the
RM
24
standards,
the
residential
multi-family
24
standards.
So
if
you
meet
those
two
criteria,
you
are
a
provable
as
a
permitted
use
within
the
commercial
District.
Z
So,
for
example,
you
have
a
commercial
piece
of
property
on
Florida
Avenue
and
you
would
like
to
develop
that
with
a
five-story
apartment
building,
you
come
into
zoning,
it
comes
as
a
conditional
use.
You
bring
a
site
plan.
You
show
that
you
meet
those
two
conditions,
one
that
you're
on
an
arterial
or
collector
Street
and
two
that
you
meet
the
arm
24
standards.
Z
What
is
before
you
today
is
to
make
that
not
have
to
go
through
the
conditional
use
process
to
allow
it
as
a
specified
use,
so
there
would
still
be
criteria
for
that
apartment.
Building
to
come
in
it
just
would
not
have
to
go
through
a
special
use
process.
It
could
go
to
permitting.
Z
So
this
was
a
process
Improvement
to
try
to
make
that
those
opportunities
a
little
bit
more
available
for
those
developments.
So
the
and
again
feeding
back
to
the
inventory
and
the
available
land
to
create
housing
opportunities
within
the
city,
so
I
think
I
just
went
through
all
that,
so
this
would
be
to
allow-
and
this
would
be
either
town
home
or
multi-family
residential,
and
this
would
be
for
the
RO,
which
is
residential
office,
the
ro1,
the
op,
which
is
Office
Professional,
op1,
CN,
commercial,
neighborhood,
CG,
commercial,
General
and
CI
commercial
intensive
districts.
Z
There's
the
current
code
with
those
two
criteria
that
I
just
went
over
direct
access
to
an
arterial,
collector
and
then
the
rm24
standards,
which
is
a
25
foot
front,
a
15,
foot,
rear
and
seven
foot
sides
and
then
also
on
the
arm
24.
Once
you
get
over
35
feet,
you
have
to
step
the
building
in
additional
setback.
Z
Those
criteria
that
are
there
is
the
special
use
would
now
become
specified
use
criteria,
so
it
would
say
when
you
are
doing
multi-family
in
a
non-residential
zoning
District.
These
would
be
the
criteria
that
you
would
follow
and
the
first
is
when
you're
located
in
an
office
and
or
commercial
District,
you
would
meet
the
dimensional
regulations
of
the
underlying
zoning
District,
except
for
the
side
and
rear
yards,
which
would
be
no
less
than
10
foot.
D
D
How
do
we
put
something
to
make
sure
that
we're
benefiting
when
we're
doing
a
lot
of
this
stuff
and
certainly
I
know
a
lot
of
projects
will
be
coming
online
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
benefit
out
of
it.
So
how
do
we
benefit?
How.
Q
Q
Q
So
you
have
options
when
you
have
well.
This
gets
a
little
into
your
future
land
use
and
it
gets
into
the
height
limitations
and
we
have
caps
in
certain
areas,
but
there's
things
that
you
want
as
a
council
that
you've
talked
about
housing,
affordability
being
one
of
them,
so
you
can
start
looking
at.
How
do
you
incentivize
housing
affordability,
with
going
higher
and
doing
taking
the
cap
off?
Probably
in
certain
areas?
Q
N
A
statement
and
a
question
we're
we're
in
a
housing
crisis
just
like
most
the
rest
of
the
country
or
the
parts
of
the
country
people
are
moving
to,
but
we're
also
in
an
economic
crisis.
Tampa's
been
an
economic
crisis
for
10
11
years
and
then
before
that
the
Great
Recession
and
we
paint
a
pretty
picture
of
how
Tampa
is
doing
because
the
region
is
doing
well,
but
you
know,
as
I
say,
go
to
Tampa
scorecard.com
or
if
you
want
go
to
the
Census
Data
yourself,
Tampa
has
not
done
well.
We've
failed
economically.
N
In
the
last
11
years,
we've
gone
sideways
compared
to
cities
like
Charlotte,
Austin,
Atlanta,
That,
Grew,
their
economies
and
the
disparities
between
rich
and
poor
and
black
and
white
and
men
and
women
have
are
terrible.
Our
home
ownership
rate
is
terrible.
My
point
is
that
we've
got
to
grow
our
economy
and
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
we've.
N
We
we
had
20
years
of
an
economic
crisis
and
Tampa
is
just
not
doing
well
we're
going
to
say,
there's
no
place
to
put
businesses
anymore
and
so
I'm
I'm
gonna
as
I
see
the
economic
numbers
getting
worse,
I'm
more
and
more
scared
about
converting
all
of
our
commercial
industrial
land,
because
we
need
it
to
grow
the
economy.
We
can't
just
have
people
sitting
in
apartments
working
remotely
in
New
York.
We
need
companies
actually
based
here.
We
need
businesses
here,
and
some
of
them
have
to
be
logistically.
N
So
my
question
is:
is
there
a
way
that
we
could
limit
this?
Just
to
what
I
would
call
Shop
houses
where
we
mandate
where
it's
it's
got
to
be
mixed
use
instead
of
also
single
family,
and
then
we
we
mandate
that
it
has
to
be
commercial
on
the
ground
level
or
or
the
first
and
second
level
and
then
and
then
housing
on
top.
Z
So
Abby
Philly,
so
right
now
our
code
speaks
to
this
being
allowed
within
the
commercial
districts.
It's
just
as
a
conditional
use.
It's
allowed.
You
can
do
it
today.
You
just
come
in
with
an
application,
so
we're
not
creating
something
that
isn't
allowed
today.
It
is
allowed
today
what.
AA
Z
We're
just
taking
it
from
one
application
process,
which
is
the
special
use,
application
process
or
conditional
use
application
process
with
those
two
criteria
and
making
it
a
specified
use.
So
you
no
longer
have
an
added
layer
of
having
to
file
a
conditional
use
application,
but
the
criteria
still
are
there
today.
That's
why,
in
some
of
the
discussions
we've
heard
from
the
public
you're
taking
away
commercial
it's
allowed
today
it
comes
to
you
many
times.
You
see
it
on
appeal
as
the
arterial
or
collector
issue
for
the
commercial
property,
because
they
didn't
meet
that
first
criteria.
N
Similar
to
what
councilmember
hertek
said
on
the
other
issue,
I
I
wish
we
could
go
backwards
and
I'm
okay
in
in
certain
areas.
We
provide
lots
of
density,
put
lots
of
unit
housing
units
on
top,
but
we've
got
to
protect
the
ground
level
for
commercial,
so.
Z
We
do
have
a
permitted
use
within
all
of
those
commercial
districts.
That's
called
storefront
residential
storefront
residential.
You
may
have
non-resie
on
the
ground
floor
or
behind,
and
you
may
have
residential
above,
and
that
is
a
permitted
use
today.
So
if
anybody
was
out
there
wanting
to
do
that,
they
could
do
it
today
and
go
straight
into
the
permitting
process.
Q
Q
It
shortens
the
length
of
time
of
the
application.
What
you're
talking
about
I
understand
it's
greater
than
like
this
is
real
estate
that
we're
talking
about
now,
you're
talking
about
larger
economic
impacts,
where
we
should
be
looking
at
Workforce,
the
type
of
jobs
yeah.
AB
N
The
housing
then
we're
and
so
I'd
rather
I'd,
rather
toughen
it
up
at
least
at
the
ground
level.
So
if
you
do
this,
then
there's
no
notice
to
the
to
the
neighbors
that
that
you're
getting
what.
Z
N
Yeah
I
won't
support
this
I.
The
reason
why
I
went
through
the
whole
thing
is
I
would
whatever
my
colleagues
do,
I
wish
we
could
go
back
to
heavy
multi-use.
You
know
the
multi-use
loophole,
we
have
now
I
think
they
can
put
100
square
feet
and
they
build
500
units
of
housing.
I
think
we
in
commercial
areas
in
particular,
we
need.
N
We
need
a
like:
a
a
mandate
for
the
ground
level,
at
least
or
or
10
or
20
percent,
or
whatever
the
percentage
is
that
it
has
to
remain
commercial,
because,
where
else
are
our
business
is
going
to
go,
we're
going
to
have
no
no
place
for
people
to
earn
money
to
afford
these
these
houses.
The
reason
why
we
have
a
housing
problem.
N
Yes,
there
there's
a
shortage
of
units,
but
their
their
rent
prices
are
going
up,
but
wages
are
not
keeping
up
with
it,
because
we've
been
recruiting
crappy
jobs
through
the
EDC
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
build
our
own
jobs
instead
of
recruiting
and
subsidizing
jobs
from
outside
that
don't
pay
very
much.
Thank
you.
M
Council
member
Carlson
I
just
want
to
say
we
can
go
back.
Like
don't
say
we
wish
we
could
go
back,
we
can.
We
can
make
these
changes
and
I
think
we
should
I
completely
agree
with
you
and
yes,
it
is
a
huge
problem
right
now,
where
they
put
in
this
incredibly
tiny
piece
of
commercial
and
then
the
rest
of
it's
built
out.
I
can
think
of
multiple
examples
where
it
just
it
gets
me.
M
There's
a
in
North,
Hyde,
Park,
there's
a
duckweed
on
a
corner
and
then
just
nothing
but
parking
wall
and
I
mean
that
duckweed
is
absolutely
packed.
It's
busy
all
the
time.
Now
that
area
is
a
walkable
neighborhood.
We
cannot
get
that
back.
We
cannot
get
that
Frontage
space
backs
and
so
I
completely
agree.
M
We
we
need
to
support
this
I
would
I
would
need
to
have
a
guarantee
that,
in
a
commercial
district
and
again
that
you're
saying
that
they
can
already
do
this,
then
I
would
love
to
find
a
way
to
roll
it
back
and
find
a
way
that
we
demand
commercial
on
a
in
any
of
these
units
that
have
what
is
it
that
fit?
Those
two
things
with
the
arterial
Road
and
the
RM
24
is
that
the
requirement
so
like
the
other
thing
would
have
to
be.
Q
That
out
yeah
allow
us
the
opportunity
to
go
back
and
look
at
that.
If
you
talk
through
the
rest
of
the
criteria
and
stuff
that,
let
us
know
what
you
like,
what
you
don't
like,
I
I
hear
the
com.
We
hear
the
comments
and
we
were
just
whispering
to
each
other
that
we
think
there's
some
tweaks,
that
we
could
make
and
some
suggestions
that
we
could
come
up
with.
C
AA
C
C
All
right
are,
we
finished
with
comments
or
questions.
C
Yet
Miss
Swift,
you
wanted
to
speak
to
this
agenda.
Item
number
five.
W
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
council
member
Carlson
and
her
tack.
I
would
like
to
see
this
rolled
back,
although
I
pleasantly
surprised
to
hear
that
this
is
one
of
the
items
that
I
was
talking
about.
That's
really
such
a
major
policy
change
that
it
needs
to
be
a
comp
plan
Amendment.
If
it's
going
to
go
forward
that
way
and
I
recognize
it's
already,
especially
use
one,
but
this
would
make
it
blanket,
and
my
my
reasons
are
this
was
it's
again.
W
W
That
in
itself
makes
a
lot
of
bad
uses
next
to
another
use
that
maybe
they
shouldn't
be
next
to
each
other
like
Houston
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
we
want
I,
don't
think
we
want
just
to
get
a
housing
more
affordable,
because
you
can
build
it
anywhere
because
five
years
from
now
then
you're
going
to
have
those
people
up
here
not
liking.
What
they're,
next
to
so
I,
do
think
this
should
be.
W
If
it
moves
forward,
it
should
be
a
comprehensive
Plan
update,
discussion,
I,
the
the
I
think
you
should
ask
for
a
map
of
how
all
these
districts,
when
you
see
the
map
of
all
these
districts,
it's
the
whole
city.
That's
just
going
to
have
you
know
35
or
60
foot
high.
You
know
that
that's
all
the
dimensional
regulations
is
a
whole
other
thing
that
are
not
in
my
three
minutes
and
then
something
that
is
definitely
not
in
my
three
minutes
and
very
detailed
that
you
need
a
flow
chart
to
follow.
W
Is
this
rm24
design
standards
and
how
they're
being
applied
and
how
you
are
you
all
are
being
allowed
to
appeal
things
that
I
don't
think
we're
even
meant
to
move
forward
in
and
out
from
a
developer's
application,
and
so
you,
the
single
family,
neighborhood,
doesn't
really
have
reliance
on
the
code,
because
it's
all
confusing
thank.
D
And
I
respect
all
comments.
I,
my
age
has
brought
me
some
information
and
you
know
people
people
are
watching
and
housing
is
critical.
Mr
Man
I
said:
where
are
you
going
to
put
them?
You
know
if
someone
just
sent
me
building
subsidized
low-income
housing,
actually
lifts
property
values
in
a
neighborhood,
contradicting
them
be
concerns
commentary
the
concentration
of
subsidized,
low-income
housing
developments
isn't
as
bad
as
residents
fear
again.
It
actually
increases
property
values
at
faster
rate
than
other
neighborhoods.
You
know
people
out
there
when
you
use
the
word
subsidize
or
low
income.
D
You
look
at
just
all
poor
people.
Well,
certain
incomes
level
doesn't
mean
that
you're
just
at
the
bottom.
Just
that
you,
just
at
a
rate
that
you
can't
sustain,
doesn't
mean
bad
people.
You
know
section
A,
all
people
are
saying
are
bad
people,
so
people
do
have
decent
jobs
and
careers,
but
they
just
can't
sustain
to
be
where
they
need
to
be
so.
I
want
us
to
think
about
that,
because
you
know
no
matter
what
you
do.
D
D
So
my
biggest
concern
you
need
commercial
at
that
bottom.
I
totally
agree
because
you
can
have
the
local
guy
who
maybe
live
in
that
apartment
company
can
be
the
local
barber
for
everybody
in
the
in
the
in
the
building.
Miss
Jones
will
do
cakes
and
pies.
Her
and
a
few
friends
might
can
have
a
face
there
and
have
some
good
soul.
D
Food
Dentistry,
so
I
agree
with
the
bottom
level
being
commercial
like
just
having
to
build
that
somebody
got
a
bunch
of
space
in
there,
ain't
doing
it
with
it,
but
actually
having
some
curse
moisture
in
there,
but
making
sure
you
got
housing
at
that
top
level.
So
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
people
are
watching
again,
people
are
are
noticed.
Thank
you.
I
And,
along
with
councilman
good
comments
in
today's
society
is
a
little
different
than
many
years
back.
If
you
just
look
at
what
you're
paying
for
your
homeowners
insurance
policy
and
your
automobile
insurance
policy,
I
guarantee
you
it's
five
thousand
dollars
between
both
of
them.
That
seems
like
a
lot
of
money,
but
if
you
have
a
mortgage,
you
have
to
have
the
housing
you
have
to
have
that
and
you
can't
drive,
even
though
a
lot
of
people
driving
without
insurance.
I
I
And
when
you
look
at
it
at
a
salary
of
let's
say
forty
thousand
forty
five
thousand
dollars
and
you
have
a
wife
and
two
kids
and
you're
losing
five
thousand
just
on
those
two
items.
What's
going
to
happen,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
the
payment.
That's
what's
going
to
happen
so
we're
caught
in
the
middle
between
Rising
prices,
not
because
of
what's
Happening
Now,
not
because
of
the
expenditures
by
whoever's
in
government
and
so
forth,
and
so
on,
and
the
top
notch
of
federal
government.
I
You
can't
even
ride
the
bus
for
80
a
month.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
let's
face
reality
in
reality
is
it's
everything
is
overpriced,
so
don't
catch
a
cold
because
if
you
don't
have
insurance
you're
in
trouble,
so
those
are
the
things
that
we're
facing
in
this
country.
The
whole
world
is
facing
in
this
country
and
if
we're
things,
we're
bad
off.
Just
look
at
another
country
see
and
you
compare
yourself
to
them
and
you're,
not
as
bad
off
as
you
think,
but
anyway,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
councilmanas
thank.
K
You
very
much
I
like
to
compare
it
to
the
historic
Ybor
City
model,
which,
if
you
look
at
it
7th
Avenue,
it
was
businesses
all
on
the
bottom
floor
and
a
lot
of
people
lived
up
top
and,
like
councilman
Goose
said
you
could
have
the
barber
that
lives
on
the
second
floor
that
has
its
place
below
whatever
it
is,
but
you're
eliminating
a
lot
of
costs
because
people
are
in
that
live
work
environment
and
then
you
create
better
opportunities
while
cutting
the
cost
of
living
overall,
because
you're,
not
spending
so
much
money,
but
at
the
same
time
it
creates
the
density.
V
You
for
the
public
comment,
since
we
throwing
credentials
out
I'm
a
licensed
professional
engineer
in
the
State
of
Florida,
since
1982
Mr,
Carson
and
I
do
consultant
engineering
for
a
living.
So
this
is
a
real,
relevant
subject
matter
to
be
zoned
in
here
in
housing
and
I've
done
it
already.
You
do
work
for
the
City
of
Tampa
and
several
other
agencies
around
here
include
the
Bucks.
V
Let
me
just
say
this
I
look
at
this
as
more
of
a
process:
change
for
more
efficiency,
The
Substitute
discussion
that
y'all
are
having
dealing
with
the
above
I
have
property.
That's
on
the
arterial,
that's
rem50
already
24
rm16
just
like
this,
but
it's
residential
I
refuse
to
knock
down
my
wood
frames
and
I
can
do
exactly
whatever
y'all
are
talking
about
doing
above
and
even
in
West
Tampa.
V
We
have
a
of
a
vanilla
shell
program
to
encourage
you
to
have
retail
on
the
bottom
and
they
have
residential
up
top,
where
you
can
rehab
with
the
Marvin
Knight
listening
to
this
Marvin
night,
get
over
there
and
do
what
we
talking
about.
But
let
me
say
this
tying
into
this
long
discussion
about
alleys.
V
Let
me
just
give
you
some
engineering
reasons.
The
size
of
the
trucks
like
Charlie
said
I
used
to
remember
when
they
used
to
pick
him
up
in
the
back,
the
skank,
the
only
house
I
used
to
be
back
there
watching
them
and
had
to
go
there,
the
surfaces
of
alleys.
What
type
of
surface
is
it
is
an
issue.
The
city
has
not
cataloged
or
done
an
assessment
of
any
alleys.
V
They
couldn't
tell
you
what
Alias
anywhere
my
alley
was
supposed
to
be
closed,
I'm
paying
taxes
on
half
of
it
to
find
out
that
it
ain't
been
really
vacated,
but
it
was
vacated.
Alleys
are
a
problem
because
they're
not
cataloged
and
they're,
not
documented.
Also,
classification
of
allies.
Is
it
closed
vacated.
You
know
flooding
which
you
had
over
there
trip
Heights.
Let
me
just
tell
you
what
West
Tampa
did
last.
AB
V
Allocated
250
000
to
be
you
know,
we
Innovative
in
West
Hampton
and
we're
gonna
set
the
bar.
We
have
approved
at
least
it
ain't
been
approved
by
other
people,
I'm
sitting
there
looking
at,
but
the
approved
alleys
to
be
studied
this
guy
sitting
right.
There
came
and
made
a
presentation,
and
we
said:
I
made
the
motion.
We
gonna
put
money
on
these
alleys
in
West
Tampa.
We
want
to
know
what
they
are.
They
not
catalog
weather
Zone.
Get
me
a
map,
GIS
it
and
deal
with
it.
V
You
cannot
solve
an
engineering
problem
without
having
the
doc
the
information.
You
know
you
can't
solve
a
problem
without
the
giving
you
know,
so
we
got
to
get
that
identify
what
we
doing.
Okay,
we
got
to
identify
what
we're
doing
what
we
have.
That's,
why
you
have
it
on
this
ball
of
confusion,
someone
why
some
of
that
they
have
not
been
cataloged,
they
have
not
been
determined
and
the
city
will
tell
you
they
don't
even
have
a
standard
for
Alley
surface
we've
got
to
deal
with
that
somehow
is
a
break.
V
Somebody
else
is
a
grandma
somebody.
They
don't
know
what
you
got
out.
There,
okay,
so
we
the
side
as
Engineers
we're
smart
guys,
let's
just
start
with
documenting
what
we
have
finding
out,
what
condition
our
generating
map
that
shows
every
one
of
them,
at
least
in
our
CRA,
and
put
250
000
Up
In
Motion
passion,
naturally
to
get
it
done.
V
So
we
are
ahead
of
this
game
with
Alice,
because
we're
tired
of
him
at
these
ass.
Okay,
because
they
construct
it
depends
their
situationals
we're
in
a
historic
district,
just
like
Ybor
city
is,
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
some
of
that
fabric.
So
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
you
know:
let's
have
that
discussion
on
Alex,
but
this
thing
is
about
trying
to
it
make
efficiency
from
having
to
a
specified
use
from
having
a
special
use
on
this.
V
This
is
addressing
the
process
of
making
things
more
efficient,
but
it
really
doesn't
matter
because
I
think
that
now
that
you
guys
got
the
gist
of
what's
going
on,
you
see
that
we
got
a
lot
of
processes
and
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
since
y'all
ain't
got
this
time
like
we
used
to
have
we
got
all
this
stuff
coming
in
the
more
you
make
process
efficient,
the
better
you're
going
to
be,
and
we
can
have
that
such
a
discussion
down
the
road
but
right
now
it's
about
efficiency
of
processes,
and
that's
why
I
came
down
here
because
I
got
plenty
to
do,
but
once
again
those
alleys
West,
Tampa
c-r-a-c-h-e,
already
way
ahead
of
y'all.
S
Nathan
Hagan,
that
was
an
awesome
comment,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
emphasize
something
that
I
notice,
as
as
somebody
who
watches
these
meanings
a
lot
and
and
talks
to
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community.
There's
we
have
we've
developed
a
culture
which
you
can
look
at
our
PD
process
as
as
the
best
embodiment
of
that.
Where
we
see
we
look
at,
we
ask
ourselves:
how
can
we
solve
the
problems
that
we
have
with
development
in
our
community
and
consistently?
S
The
answer
is,
or
the
incentives
have
aligned
or
just
conspicuous
I've
noticed.
The
answer
is
process
is
actually
that
we
don't
want
to
make
things
better.
We
want
to
add
more
process,
so
we
can
catch
bad
things
in
in
in
as
they
go.
You
know
when
I
work
with
neighborhoods
I'm
and,
let's
say
I'm,
supporting
a
project
and
they're
fighting
a
project
I,
don't
we
all
agree
that
the
code
needs
to
be
better,
but
we
don't
have
time
to
talk
about
that.
S
We
all
we
can
do
is
talk
about
the
process
that
we're
in
the
midst
of
and
so
I
would
just
say.
As
generally,
this
Council
needs
to
be
very
aggressive
at
taking
steps
to
reduce
process
so
that
we
can
focus
on
what
actually
needs
to
be
fixed,
which
is
Our,
Land
Development
code,
which
everybody,
whether
you're
a
developer,
a
neighborhood
Advocate,
an
elected
official
anybody,
nobody
likes
it.
We
want
a
lot
of
changes.
We
don't
have
time
to
make
changes,
because
we
have
so
much
time
being
spent
on
process.
S
We
also
you
know
on
that
line.
We
talked
a
lot
about
subsident
policy
here
when
this
is
processed,
so
we
opened
Pandora's,
Box
and
I'm
just
comment
on
those
a
little
bit.
You
know,
Florida
rising
in
the
tenant.
Union,
don't
show
up
these
meetings,
the
majority
of
people,
depending
on
what
number
you
look
at
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
are
renters.
Today,
it's
very
close
and
it's
getting
it's.
S
If
you
know
anything
about
our
comp
plan,
changes
coming
up
like
there's
going
to
be
even
more
renters
in
the
future,
so
I
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
You
know.
First
of
all,
this
does
not,
as
far
as
minors,
understanding
how
I
was
explained.
There's
not
going
to
be
a
change
in
where
you
can
do
RM
24
on
Commercial
city-wide.
It
sounds
like
you
can
already
do
that,
any
any
commercial
zoning
anywhere
city-wide.
S
All
this
does
is
improve
the
process,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
something
that
I
can
never
emphasize
enough
is
like
if
you're
building
a
500,
a
300
unit
apartment
complex,
that
houses,
500
people
and
we're
afraid
that
in
three
or
four
years,
10
or
15
neighbors
are
going
to
come
and
say
these
500
new
neighbors
of
mine
destroyed
my
life.
S
S
We
should
consider
that
when
we
talk
about
multi-family,
whether
multi-family
is
appropriate
and
whether
it
destroys
my
neighborhood
all
over
the
place,
because
the
truth
is
people
need
housing
and
to
the
data
that
you
showed.
If
you
look
at
the
data,
more
housing
solves
it
and
we
need
to
do
things
like
fix
the
code
so
that
we
have
affordable
housing
bonuses
that
are
really
that
actually
people
take
advantage
of
I
can
stop
there,
because
you
know
I
can
talk
forever,
so
I'll
be
up
again
in
three
minutes.
Thank.
M
I
want
to
say
that
I
I
mean
I,
understand
that
this
is
about
process
and
I
I,
don't
disagree
with
making
the
process
easier,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
have
some
safeguards
on
it
and
that's
the
concern
that
I'm,
seeing
and
since
I
am
not
an
expert
at
this
I
am
asking.
How
do
we
add
that
Safeguard
until
we
get
the
code
that
we
want,
which
I
know
is
a
much
larger
or
the
code
re
refresh
that
we
need
that's
a
much
larger
process?
M
I
think
that's
what
all
of
us
are
concerned
about
is
if
this
is,
these
are
technically
already
allowed.
But
how
do
we
stop?
What
we're
all
seeing
of
these
500
square
foot
commercial
like
how
what's
our
stop
Gap
until
we
get
those
code
changes
to
make
sure
that
we
get
what
we
need
to
encourage
our
Economic
Development
as
well
as
housing.
Z
Abby
Philly
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
that
the
example
you
keep
giving
of
the
500
square
feet,
that's
in
a
multi-family
residential.
Those
are
PDS
that
have
come
to
you
to
get
the
bump
up
for
additional
far
by
doing
two
uses
and
those
have
been
come
before
this
Council
and
this
Council
has
approved
them
and
Stephen,
and
the
Planning,
Commission
and
and
myself
and
Eric
we're
working
through
what
that
minimum
for
those
requests
are
so
that
that's
one
element
of
this,
but
that's
coming
to
you
under
a
different
umbrella.
Z
What
this
is
is
like
I
said
this
is
allowed
today
through
a
special
use
process,
and
what
we're
asking
for
is
that
we
move
that
from
a
special
use
process
into
a
specified
use
process
where
they
no
longer
have
to
come
for
that.
Second
layer.
If
they
are
meeting
these
criteria
they
would
be
allowed
to
go
to
to
permitting
and
I
can
show
you
I'm
happy
to
go
back
and
show
you
and
pull
for
you.
Z
If
you
are
in
a
commercial
district
and
you
meet
these
two
standards,
you
are
allowed
and
I'm
not
trying
to
change
any
of
that
when
I'm
trying
to
change.
Is
that
we're
not
we're,
saying
hey
if
I'm
allowed
today
under
these
two
criteria?
What
if
I
was
made
easier
by
being
allowed
and
I
still
have
to
meet
criteria?
It's
not
a
free-for-all!
Z
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
where
we've
required
non-residential
first
floor
hours
in
the
channel
District,
it's
taken
us
25
years
to
get
those
required
retail
spaces
filled
because
Channel
district
has
just
approached
a
threshold
population
that
can
support
those
types
of
businesses
and
make
it
profitable
for
the
small
businesses
to
be
able
to
go
into
those
spaces
that
we
required.
Many
of
those
spaces
have
sat
vacant
for
many
many
years,
a
decade
where
there
was
no
use
in
them.
Z
They
were
a
ground
floor
with
a
least
pleased
here,
so
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
number
of
different
things:
storefront
residential
as
I
mentioned.
If
a
developer
wanted
to
go
in
today
and
build
non-residential
on
the
first
floor
and
residential
above,
that's
not
even
a
special
use,
it's
permitted.
It
could
happen
tomorrow
for
those
people
if
they
were
making
those
choices.
Z
Asking
for
either
single-use
residential
or
single
use
or
residential
with
some
portion
of
non-residential,
but
that
was
just
to
get
that
additional
intensity
bump
so
happy
to
take
this
discussion
in
any
of
those
directions
with
you,
I
think
our
intent,
as
was
mentioned
here
today,
was
this:
was
a
process
Improvement
to
look
at?
What's
coming
to
you,
either
on
appeal,
limiting
those
appeals,
if
we
think
it's
appropriate
as
a
conditional
use,
making
it
a
specified
use
but
happy
to
to
take
Direction.
Q
This
is
on
the
heels
of
the
previous
Workshop,
when
we
were
in
the
midst
of
having
our
rent
stabilization
conversations
when
we
were
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
solving
and
process
improvements,
policy
changes
and,
and
how
can
we
continue
to
help
with
the
housing
challenges
that
we
have?
This
specified
use
this
process.
Improvement
is
strictly
a
process
Improvement
that
came
on
the
heels
of
a
previous
Workshop
that
we
had
earlier
in
the
year
brought
back
to
you
today.
Q
M
But
to
to
council
member
Carlson's
Point
earlier
and
council
member
Goods
point.
M
It's
rare,
it's
very
rare,
so
I,
it's
our
job
to
figure
out
ways
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing
and
incentivize,
Economic,
Development
and
I
am,
and
while
this
is
a
process
issue,
my
my
bigger
concern
and
what
I'm
hearing
my
colleagues,
colleagues
bigger
concern
is
what
happens
in
the
future,
because
those
Channel
Side
places
are
now
filling
up
and
if
they
weren't
there
to
begin
with,
they
wouldn't
have
anything
they
wouldn't
have
any
place
to
go.
I
think
that's!
M
That's
my
concern
and
I
think
that's
what
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
councilmember
Carlson's
mouth,
but
he's
nodding.
So
that
is.
That
is
my
concern
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
prepared
for
what
this
city
is
becoming
and
the
affordable
housing
issue
like
we
aren't
having
enough
people
coming
in,
saying:
hey,
we
want
to
build
affordable
housing.
So
that's
that's,
not
an
ins.
We
need
incentivized
or
requirements,
but
I
think
the
ground
floor.
Commercial
is
kind
of
a
no-brainer.
We
could
do
that.
Q
So
if
I
may,
I'll
I'll
tell
you
from
experience
right
when,
when
there's
requirements
for
commercial
ground
floor
in
a
building
where
the
they're,
not
their
population,
is
not
there
to
sustain
the
commercial,
sits,
it
sits
vacant
and
it's
a
cost
to
it's.
It's
a
unbearable
cost
of
developers
sometimes,
and
so
when
you're
negotiating
these
deals,
I
just
you
can
put
it
in
there,
but
I.
Q
I
100
agree
with
that,
because
once
you
give
it
away
or
once
you
once
it's
gone
right,
but
that's
not
this
process
process
and
making
it
a
requirement
that
there's
commercial
on
the
ground
floor
I'll
tell
you
developers.
If
there
is
enough
population
there
to
make
it
economically
work,
they
get
more.
They
get
a
bigger
return.
Q
They
need
to
occur
somewhere.
So
if
we
continue
having
zoning
changes,
which
is
not
this
conversation,
if
we
continue
having
zoning
changes,
changing
property
from
industrial
to
commercial
to
just
residential
use,
you're,
not
safeguarding
from
that
in
the
future
and
I
hear
you
100
percent,
and
we
can
figure
that
out
and
I.
If
you
want
to
make
a
motion
for
us
to
come
back
after
some
research,
we
could
definitely
do
that,
but
addressing
exactly
what
your
concerns
are
in
councilman
Carlson's
concern
is
not
in
this
specified
use
issue.
M
Okay,
thank
you
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
more
thing
and
I
know:
councilman
Carlson
wants
to
say
something
I,
just
the
biggest
fear
is
that
we
do
this.
Our
commercial
space
becomes
residential
and
where
does
the
commercial
space
go?
The
county
I
don't
want
them
to
have
any
more
I
want
us
to
have
that
we
want.
We
want
the
businesses
to
stay
here,
so
people
can
walk
or
take
transit,
not
drive
out
of
the
city
to
work,
and
that
is
that's.
That's
huge.
That's
huge
for
taxes,
that's
huge
for
quality
of
life.
Q
I
get
that,
and
so
my
response
to
that
is
when
you
have
planned
development
applications
that
come
before
you
that
are
asking
for
some
of
those
changes
as
a
as
a
council
and
a
board,
you
really
need
to
think
about.
You
know.
Are
you
safeguarding?
You
need
to
think
about
those
these
issues
and
big
picture
items
that
you
want,
because
right
now
we're
PD
Capital
like
we
have
a
bunch
of
PDs.
Q
You
know
to
do
that
and
we've
talked
we've
talked
about
transitioning
and
getting
our
way
out
of
that,
but
there's
some
safeguarding
to
happen.
That
needs
to
occur.
I,
hear
you
loud
and
clear.
If
you
make
a
motion
to
even
if
you
don't
make
them
we'll,
follow
up
on
that
and
let
you
know
how
we
can
follow,
but
that's
not
in
this
specified
use
piece
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
very
much.
Thank
you.
N
I'm:
okay,
having
that
as
a
separate
discussion,
if
councilman
or
sorry,
chair,
seat
or
council,
member
or
Tech,
want
to
make
the
motion,
but
just
to
reiterate
the
point:
we've
got
an
economic
crisis
in
our
community
and
that's
causing
people
not
to
be
able
to
afford
to
rent
or
buy
homes
and
we've
got
us.
N
We've
got
to
solve
that,
and
you
know:
I
I've
been
very
involved
in
economic
development
in
St,
Pete
and
Pinellas
over
the
years,
because
the
Tampa
one
you
have
to
be
an
Insider
of
an
Insider
to
get
involved
in
it
and
the
biggest.
If
you
look
at
the
numbers,
St
Pete
EDC
runs
circles
around
the
one
here
and,
and
Pinellas
and
Saint
Pete
economically
run
circles
around
Tampa,
and
the
reason
is
that
is
that
they
do
a
really
good
job
of
Economic
Development.
N
N
If
they
had
planned
better
and
had
more
office
space,
they
would
get
all
the
deals
in
the
region
and
and
we've
got
to
protect
this
land
and
at
some
point
it's
it's
a
go,
no
go
where
somebody
wants
to
convert
commercial
or
industrial
and
I'll
include
Maritime
land,
because
we've
got
to
protect
that
too.
N
We
say
you
either
you
either
keep
some
level
of
commercial
industrial
on
your
property
or
you
can't
do
something
there.
We
need
housing,
yes,
but
we
have
to
have
jobs,
we
have
to
have
higher
paying
jobs
and-
and
we
have
to
protect
that-
and
why
is
it
that
we
we
can't
and
before
somebody
runs
the
Business,
Journal
and
says?
Oh
city
council,
is
against
developers
we're
not
at
all
we're.
We
approve
almost
all
the
projects
that
are
out
there.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
be
look
20
years
or
30
years
in
advance.
N
I
might
not
be
around
here
when
the
port
after
the
port
gets
completely
plowed
over
with
condos,
but
then
we're
going
to
lose
our
biggest
economic
engine
in
our
region.
In
30
years,
people
are
going
to
be
upset
about
it.
When
there's
when
we
hit
the
situation
like
Saint,
Pete
and
penels,
where
there's
no
more
office
space,
somebody
in
the
future
is
going
to
be
really
upset.
Why
is
it
that
we're
in
a
cycle
right
now?
N
Why
is
it
that
there
are
so
many
apartments
being
built
and
not
Office
Buildings,
because
that's
where
the
capital
is
going
I
mean
we
all
talk
to
developers
all
the
time
we
know
that's
where
the
capital
markets
are,
they.
They
did
condos
before
2008,
now,
they're
doing
apartments
and
they're,
not
funding
Office
Buildings,
and
just
because
the
capital
markets
are
not
temporarily
funding.
Office
Buildings
does
doesn't
mean
they're,
not
in
the
future.
N
In
10
years,
when
the
capital
markets
switch
and
they
start
funding,
Office
Buildings
again
we're
going
to
be
desperately
looking
for
space,
and
so
we
have
to
be
really
good
stewards.
We
have
to
think
you
know
10
20
100
years
in
the
future.
Hopefully
Tampa
will
still
be
here
and
not
become
a
lake
and
or
or
part
of
the
bay
and
we'll
have
a
vibrant
City
that
we'll
be
glad
that
we
made
some
tough
decisions
now.
Thank
you.
Awesome.
I
Y
Yes,
sir,
can
you
hear
me
yes?
First
of
all
what
councilman
Carlson
was
just
talking
about
has
already
happened
in
this
city.
It's
called
south
of
Gandy
west
of
Dale
Mabry.
We
are
a
food
desert.
Where
would
we
put
a
grocery
store
beats
me
because
most
of
our
commercial
land
has
been
changed
to
residential.
In
the
past
three
to
four
years
we
have
taken.
The
brunt
of
this.
Y
I
cannot
I
fail
to
understand
how
we
can
make
these
blanket
commitments
to
density
and
ignore
that
we
have
a
chha.
We
are
currently
in
the
middle
of
a
500
000
study
of
the
chha
within
the
city
of
Tampa.
Y
How
can
we
make
these
changes
that
will
dramatically
impact
the
density
without
the
evidence
from
that
I'm
sorry,
but
SOG
has
already
been
pillaged
for
all
its
commercial
and
Industrial
land,
and
yes,
I
understand
that
this
is
su1
but
I'll
point
out
to
you
that
we've
had
an
su1
in
the
last
year
or
so
that
we
asked
for
changes
from
the
developer
because
we
knew
it
was
coming.
The
developer
didn't
just
get
to
come
in
and
do
what
they
wanted
and
the
neighborhoods
actually
asked
for
something
that
was
very
small.
Y
It
cost
probably
about
a
thousand
dollars
to
have
it
done,
and
the
developer,
who
was
very
gracious
about
doing
it?
So
if
it's
done
behind
closed
doors
without
any
interactions
with
the
community?
Is
that
going
to
be
positive?
And
the
answer
is
no
so
and
that
wasn't
it
was
a
special
use
one
and
they
did
what
we
asked
him
to
do
and
we're
not
talking
I
mean
seriously.
Y
Y
and
we
have
a
we're
working
on
a
comp
plan.
This
is
going
to
be
44
years
older
and
we're
going
to
marry
them
up
together.
Won't
that
be
an
odd
set
so
up
against
this
and
I'm,
not
even
against
this
for
the
whole
city,
I'm
against
it
for
anything
in
the
chha.
Why
would
because
people
don't
evacuate
from
commercial
properties?
They
evacuate
from
their
homes.
Thank
you.
F
C
Sorry,
this
Miss
Caroline
Bennett,
are
you
online.
Y
Hi
this
is
Carol
Ann,
Bennett
I,
just
wonder.
I
know
it
may
not
be
exactly
on
topic
for
what
they're
presenting
but
I
want
to
reiterate.
Some
of
the
points
the
council
members
made,
the
the
jobs
are
just
as
important
as
housing
and
Rattlesnake.
Y
Looking
for
a
piece
of
property
that
has
both
a
port
and
a
railroad
spur,
it
was
unique,
it
was
valuable
and
it
could
have
continued
to
provide
good
paying
jobs
and
that
is
gone
and
you're
not
going
to
get
it
back
and
you're
not
going
to
create
more
land.
That
has
a
railroad
spur
and
a
port.
I
am
a
little
unclear
on
on
this,
and
maybe
Addie
can
clear
it
up
for
us,
but
the
special
use,
one
I
I
heard
her
say
that
it
requires
notice.
Y
I'm
I'm
wanting
to
know
was
that
notice
like
the
Hazardous
tree
notice,
where
it's
like
letting
you
know
that
something's
happening
and
you
can.
You
can
write
an
email
about
it,
but
there's
no
vote.
There's
you
know
the
the
input
from
the
public
is
not
really
taken
into
consideration.
It's
based.
The
decisions
are
based
on
what
the
code
allows,
that
that
makes
a
difference
and
if
it's
something
that's
just
done
administratively
like
the
final
of
the
fdns
and
the
Hazardous
tree,
that
makes
a
difference.
I'm
just
a
little
unclear
on
that.
C
M
Z
So
the
special
use
one
right
now
you
would
come
in
with
the
special
use
one
you
would
have
to
meet
the
two
criteria.
You
have
to
be
on
an
arterial
or
Collective
Street,
and
you
have
to
meet
the
RM
24
standards.
If
you
meet
those
two,
it
is
approvable
without
you
met
the
criteria
that
then
shifts
it
from
being
conditional
to
being
approved
it.
Basically,
the
code
is
saying:
if
you
meet
these
two
criteria
for
this
use
through
this
administrative
process,
that
use
is
permitted.
Z
It
does
require
public
notice,
but
the
public
notice
would
be
to
those
two
criteria
which
make
that
use
appropriate
and
the
the
public
notice
is
a
notice
process.
Comments
are
brought
in,
but
it
is
not
it's
not
applicable
as
if
it
were
coming
to
you
as
a
PD
and
those
criteria
being
met
or
they're
not
being
met,
and
then
the
public
input
comes
in
and
then
you
take
that
input
in
another
way.
Z
What
we're
saying
is
that
could
happen
without
it
having
to
pay
for
a
separate
application
and
that
other
layer
of
the
onion
to
the
system
if
we
set
those
criteria
in
a
way
that
they
still
have
to
meet
them,
it
would
just
be
met
at
the
time
of
Permitting
in
lieu
of
it
being
met
through
the
special
use.
One.
Z
The
other
thing
I
don't
have
today,
I
can
I
can
bring
you
back
over
the
past
five
years.
How
many
s1s
have
been
processed
for
residential?
How
many
you
know
to
show
you
this
is,
has
been
eight
projects
or
it's
been
108
projects.
I
think
what
happens
is
if
they
don't
meet
the
arterial
collector.
It
comes
to
you
on
appeal,
they're
getting
approved,
so
we're
creating
a
10-month
process
where,
if
we
just
set
it
as
a
specified
use,
it
could
be
happening
so.
Z
I
just
want
I
mean
we.
We
talked
about
this
in
June.
We've
talked
about
this
in
September.
We've
talked
about
this
several
times,
so
I
mean
it's
your
your
pleasure,
we've
been
bringing
it
and
we've
been.
You
know
passing
that
litmus
test.
So
here
we
are,
and
it's
it's
at
your
pleasure.
If
no
action's
taken
today,
it
will
stay
in
the
special
use
area.
It
will
still
be
allowed
the
way
that
it
is
today
it's
happening
under
special
use
and
we'll
continue
to
operate.
That
way
and
that's
not
a
problem
either.
N
I
I
appreciate
you
all
doing
the
hard
work
and
bringing
it
back
and
as
as
much
as
we're,
arguing
we're
just
we're,
arguing
the
point
not
arguing
with
you
all
and
seriously
on
this
topic.
I,
you
know
we
can
receive
and
file.
I
know
there
are
other
emotions
that
are
going
to
be
made
later
related
to
this,
so
it
all
of
it
is
good
information,
it's
good
to
have
a
community
discussion.
Thank
you.
I
Q
Right
yeah,
you
could,
and
that
would
be
in
action
that
would
be
inaction
and
we
won't
do
anything
with
it.
Just
understand
that
when
we
just
understand
that
where
we
are
today
is
from
your
direction
that
you
have
asked
us
to
come
back
with
a
couple
of
times,
so,
however,
you
want
to
proceed.
It
is
your
process
to
tell
us
one
way
or
another.
We've
just
been
before
you
we're
here
today
with
the
comments
that
we've
received
in
the
two
meetings
that
we've
had
before.
N
I
I
think
chairs,
citro
and
maybe
council
member
hertech
have
some
emotions
for
later,
but
unless
they
want
to
do
it
now,
we
we
receive
and
file
the
report
right.
C
Thank
you.
I
wish
to
I
move
to
take
the
direction
of
Staff
in
the
new
special
use
criteria
for
the
multi-family
within
commercial
districts,
establishing
a
specified
use
with
the
criteria
that
is
listed
below
on
this
documentation.
C
I'm
sorry,
this
is
an
agenda
item
number
five,
which
is
file
number
e,
20
22-8
chapter
27,
and
it
deals
with
the
27-282.
C
F
M
Q
M
I
know
I
know,
but
this
is
this
is
this:
is
this
is
a
topic
that
I
think
we
should
revisit
when
we
talk
more
about
commercial
space,
I
think
if
we
had
can
so
I
would
like
to
receive
and
file
and
bring
this
back
as
part
of
that
motion
that
we
will
create
and
I'll
probably
bring
back
tonight
just
so,
we
can
have
a
deeper
discussion
on
protecting
that
and
I
I
guess.
What
we're
saying
is
those
that
that
right
now
can
happen,
but.
C
N
Across
I,
just
I,
don't
know:
if
do
we
have
Miss
Johnson
Velez
here
from
the
attorney's
office,
but
I
think,
probably
for
the
record.
We
ought
to
say
that
in
all
of
these
cases,
where
we
are
describing
in
all
of
these
discussions,
we're
describing
certain
specific
projects
that
may
have
happened
in
the
past
and
I
I.
Think
just
for
the
record.
N
C
And
just
to
clarify
my
motion
was
for
this
specified
use.
However,
I
do
want
to
have
it
in
depth,
ground,
floor,
commercial
and
again
put
the
onus
on
on
the
developers.
If
they
say
it's
not
going
to
be
a
financially
feasible
for
them
to
do
it.
That's
fine
bring
it
to
us
and
let
us
decide
on
that,
but
we
should
have
a
blanket
commercial
use
within
larger
structures,
but
then
multi-family
structure,
all
right.
Let's
go
to
agenda
item
number
six
file.
Number
e!
22!
Excuse
me:
20
22-8f27.
This
feeling.
Z
Thank
you,
Abby
feely
item
number
six
is
to
allow
non-residential
access
to
local
Street.
This
is
one
of
your
top
10
waivers
that
comes
before
you
in
PDS.
A
PD
has
never
been
denied
for
asking
for
the
access
to
the
local
we
talked
about
this
and
where
it
would
be
appropriate.
The
West
Shore
overlay
allows
access
to
the
local
for
non-residential
and
the
Kennedy
overlay
allows
it.
It's
also
allowed
in
Seminole
Heights
when
you
are
within
a
certain
a
certain
distance
from
the
arterial
or
The
Collector.
So
we
had
brought
this
in
June.
Z
We
had
talked
through
this
and
what
we
are
suggesting
is
that
it
would
be
permitted
if
it's
no
further
than
150
feet
from
the
intersection
I
do
have
to
just
show
you.
This
is
the
Chick-fil-A
and
Tahitian
Inn
on
Dale
Mabry,
the
Chick-fil-A
was
a
PD.
Their
first
waiver
was
access.
The
local
Street,
also
the
Tahitian
Inn,
has
access
to
the
local
Street.
Those
are
within
that
150
foot
distance
and
through
this
code
change
those
those
would
be
allowed
right.
Z
Now
you
can
access
the
local
when,
like
fdot
denies
you,
you
have
no
other
access
but
to
access.
But
this
has
come
to
you
on
most
of
your
PDS
I.
Don't
you
might
want
to
look
tonight
and
see
how
many
oh
tonight's,
alcoholic
beverage,
sorry
or
on
your
next?
But
this
is
one
of
the
top
10
waivers,
that's
granted
by
Council
through
the
PD
process
that
would
allow
for
commercial
development
to
move
forward
with
that
as
long
as
they're
within
150
feet
of
the
arterial
or
collector.
C
Councilman
Miss.
K
Feely
explained
it
all
and
historically
speaking,
I
don't
think
an
application
has
been
denied
or
the
request
for
this
has
been
denied,
at
least
that
you
can
remember,
or
maybe
ever
so,
it's
a
no-brainer,
if
not,
but
we
would
I
mean
we,
we
hear
from
we're
gonna
hear
from
the
public
now,
but
it
would
be
a
totally
different
discussion.
So
I
think
this
is
a
an
easy
one
to
move
forward
with.
C
So
some
of
us,
some
of
us
would
have
said
no
on
some
of
these
things.
Some
of
us
would
have
said
no
on
on
other
things,
but
you
are
correct.
It
did
pass.
Is
there
anyone
in
Chambers
that
wishes
to
speak
to
agenda
item
number
six
foreign.
W
W
This
is
allowing
access
150
feet
further
in
onto
or
off
of
the
arterial,
collector
and
I
do
agree
that
dot
a
lot
of
times
causes
this
problem,
but
to
the
chairs
point
just
because
it's
been
approved
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
neighborhood
that
it's
potentially
impacting
shouldn't
be
made
aware
of
that
before
you
know,
before
it's
approved
and
I.
Also
wonder.
W
Excuse
me
how
many
PDS
were
just
for
this
for
this
item,
or
did
the
PD
ask
for
a
lot
of
other
waivers
or
changes,
and
it
it
goes
back
to
the
compatibility
issue
and
the
last
thank
you
for
making
your
decision
on
the
last
item,
because
this
get
gives
people
who
have
potential
impact
to
comment,
and
they
may
all
get
approved,
that's
great,
but
it
by
approving
this
procedural
change
that
eliminates
it,
and
maybe
that
means
they
shouldn't
have
to
go
through
a
whole
PD.
Maybe
there's
a
different
procedure.
W
W
This
makes
it
sound
like
it's
a
condition,
but
it's
not
a
condition.
This
is
actually
allowing
an
allowance
of
and
changing
the
rule
that
it
changes
number
one.
It's
not
like
a
condition.
So
that's
how
this
issue
on
the
rm24
I
think
has
come
up
a
couple
of
times,
because
this
the
map,
the
map,
is
black
and
white.
It
says
functional
class
arterial,
collector
you're,
either
on
that
map
or
you're.
W
S
Nathan
Hagan
this
one
isn't
about
housing,
so
much
as
it
is
about
Transportation,
actually
I.
Think
I
was
talking
to
Justin
Wills
about
this
the
other
day.
So
I
don't
speak
for
him,
but
there's
a
big
problem
with
having
driveways
on
roads
like
Kennedy
in
Florida.
S
There
are
many
people
in
the
city
who
would
like
to
see
one
day,
a
good
bus
system
and
maybe
even
better
on
those
roads
and
the
more
curb
Cuts
you
have
the
more
difficult
it
is
to
have
a
pedestrian
Transit,
oriented
right-of-way,
so
I
I
would
encourage
the
city
to
go
as
far
as
they
can
to
to
preserve
curbs
in
those
areas
so
that,
when
we
finally
do
have
in
50
years
or
in
our
great
grandchildren's
life,
an
opportunity
to
add
transportation
to
those
routes,
I
think
the
compromise
on
on
Fowler
was
putting
the
brt
in
the
middle
of
the
street
instead
of
the
side,
because
there
were
too
many
curb
Cuts.
S
J
Hello,
Justin,
willitz,
3203,
North,
Bailey,
Street,
Tampa
Heights,
just
wanted
to
say,
I
support
this
I'm.
Currently
a
transportation
consultant
I
spent
a
couple
years
at
heart,
so
I'm
here
to
speak
on
some
other
issues
more
specifically,
but
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
local
money
and
D.O.T
money
trying
to
address
the
issues
created
by
access
to
these
arterials.
So
this
is
just
logical
to
help
play
the
long
game
and
improving
our
safety.
So
just
here
to
support
that
and
talk
on
some
other
items
later.
V
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
Joe
Roberts
23rd
on
the
street
I
support
this
as
well
from
a
transportation
standpoint
and
I've
got
property
owned
commercial
residency,
you
name
it
and
it
does
make
sense
what
they're
trying
to
do,
because,
like
I
just
told
you
even
on
my
residential
I,
just
lost
50
75
feet
of
historical
Granite
curbing
so
now
it's
no
longer
dead,
so
I
got
a
curb
cut
on
a
residential,
not
even
Commercial,
Street.
Okay,
right
now
in
front
of
me,
I
got
to
look
at
okay,
so
I'm
home
for
keeping
curves.
Y
Absolutely
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
recall
that
that
Chick-fil-A
from
the
community,
not
that
I,
don't
eat
there
and
don't
enjoy
it,
but
there
was
quite
a
bit.
The
other
thing
is
we
have
enough
problems.
I
and
I.
Know
you
guys
here
and
know
it
better
than
anybody
that
we
have
enough
issues
on
residential
streets
with
people
busting
through
neighborhoods
doing
twice
the
speed
limit
everybody's
crying
the
blues.
We
keep
throwing
up,
stop
signs,
they're,
begging
for
Speed,
bumps
and
speed
humps
how's
this
going
to
prevent
that.
Y
Oh
wait!
It's
not
it's
going
to
do
the
polar
opposite!
It's
going
to
increase
the
traffic
on
our
neighborhood
streets.
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
I
forgot.
Y
My
point,
but
bottom
line
is
that
I
think
it's
a
bad
idea
until
we
get
our
public
transportation
ducks
in
a
row,
because
we
have
to
cut
down
these
people
cutting
through
side
streets,
and
that
was
one
of
the
problems
with
the
Chick-fil-A
and
I'll,
be
the
first
person
to
tell
you
we
cut
through
behind
the
Chick-fil-A
and
come
in
from
the
back
way
every
single
time.
So
I
and
again,
I
will
point
out
to
you.
We
don't
need
to
do
this
south
of
Gandy.
Thank
you
have
a
good
day.
Y
Hi
this
is
Caroline
Bennett
I'm,
going
to
pass
on
this.
One
I
don't
feel
like
I
have
enough
expertise
to
comment.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
I'm
gonna
support
this
because
a
f
dot,
hates
curb
cuts
and
anytime
you
try
to
get
something
through
it's
it's
incredibly
difficult,
because
then
that
can
kill
a
project
and
my
concern
to
go
back
to
our
earlier
conversation
is
commercial
and
include
an
Economic,
Development
and
yeah
I.
Just
we
can
add
more
stop
signs
that
has
been
mostly
successful.
Honestly.
Eventually,
the
city
will
be
a
stop
sign
at
every
corner
and
I'm
I'm
totally
fine
with
that,
but.
M
I
mean
just
as
Miss
pointer
said,
she's
already
using
those
back
streets,
and
why
do
you
use
the
back
streets
because
Dale
Mabry
is
packed
up?
Why
is
Dale
Mabry
backed
up
I'm
using
it?
Just
with
this
visual
that
you
have
on
the
screen?
Why
is
Dale
Mabry,
backed
up
because
everybody's
trying
to
turn
right
in
a
curb
cut
so
anyway,
I
I
will
I
move
this
I,
don't
like?
What's
the
wording,
how
do
we?
How
are
we
doing
this.
M
A
K
Z
Yes,
it
will
go
to
Abby,
Philly
it'll
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
Monday
night,
and
then
it
would
come
back
to
you
on
first
reading,
yeah.
F
N
Z
Yes
and
I
just
want
to
I
failed
to
mention
that
when
we
first
brought
this
Mr
bday
was
included
with
us,
as
well
as
to
the
safety
of
people
pulling
out
directly
onto
you,
know:
Dale
Mabry,
at
a
45
or
50
mile
an
hour.
It
is
actually
safer
for
them
to
go
out
and
go
to
the
intersection
versus
having
the
intersection.
The
curb
cut,
the
intersection,
the
curb
cut.
So
this
was
in
support
of
vision,
zero
as
well,
and
we
had
brought
that
as
part
of
the
original
presentation
in
June.
Z
N
Where
does
the
150
number
come
from?
Is
that
is
that
a
standard
by
the
other
cities
use
and
I
wonder?
Do
you
have
any
idea
how
far
these
these
areas
that
you
circled
in
only
one
looks
like
50
and
another
75,
maybe
I,
but
I
can't
that.
Z
Z
Seminole
Heights
and
in
Westshore
that
it's
150
feet
right
now
and
we
use
that.
So
this
would
be
consistent
with
what
we
have
in
our
overlays
that
currently
allow
it,
because
in
the
in
West,
Shore
overlay,
Kennedy
overlay
and
Seminole
Heights,
it's
currently
allowed
in.
F
C
Z
C
Z
Okay,
Abby
feely
item
seven
and
eight
are
related.
Z
Yeah
I
am
thank
you.
These
are
all
related
to
the
adus.
I
see
the
time
is
10
minutes
till
noon.
This
is
going
to
be
a
lengthy
discussion,
so
I
these
are.
This
is
the
last
item
related
to
text
changes
creating
the
specified
use
for
the
Adu
from
the
feedback
we've
heard
from
the
public,
I
I
think
there
it
may
take
a
bit
so
I
just
want
to
ensure
it's
the
pleasure
Council
to
move
forward
with
this.
At
this
time,.
Q
C
Let's,
let's,
let's
do
let's
do
15,
then,
let's
move
on
to
15.
Q
Good
morning,
Council
Nicole,
Travis,
administrative
development
and
Economic
Opportunity,
Rob,
Rosner
and
Elise
drum
go
will
present
the
community
benefits
agreement
to
you.
You
received
that
handout
earlier
this
morning.
Thank
you
for
your
Indulgence
and
we
could
get
this
before
you
break
for
your
lunch
time.
AC
Elise
drum
go
Deputy
Administrator
for
development
and
Economic
Opportunity.
As
administrator
Travis
mentioned,
we
have
a
report
for
you
on
community
benefits
agreements
back
in
June.
You
all
asked
for
this
ordinance
to
come
back
before
you,
so
we
did.
We
do
have
a
draft
of
that
today.
So
staff
looked
at
some,
some
different
ordinances
from
Saint,
Pete,
Detroit,
Miami
and
also
Cincinnati,
and
then
we
put
that
together
to
figure
out
how
it
would
be
applicable
here
in
Tampa.
AC
So
what
you'll
hear
is
a
presentation
programmatically
on
what
the
community
benefit
agreement
looks
like
or
could
look
like
here
in
Tampa,
Rob
Rosner
will
present
that
to
you
and
then,
after
that
our
assistant,
City
attorney
Susan
Johnson
Velez
will
present
three
things
to
you.
She
has
the
ordinance
that
would
establish
the
CBA.
She
also
has
the
resolution
that
would
create
the
community
benefit
advisory
Council.
That
would
help
make
sure
that
we
have
a
compliance
with
the
CBA
and
then
also
the
third
item
she
has
is
a
resolution
approving
the
CBA.
AC
It's
an
information
sheet
was
which
is
a
set
of
guidelines
that
would
guide
the
community
and
developers
in
collaborating
throughout
that
process.
So
at
the
end
of
the
presentation-
and
our
goal
would
be
to
provide
you
with
some
dates
that
we
can
set
it
for
a
public
comment
that
way
we
can
move
it
forward,
which
is
something
that
you
all
have
asked
for.
I'll
take
a
seat
and
I'll
I'll
be
taking
a
bunch
of
notes
throughout
the
presentation,
and
should
you
all
have
any
feedback
that
we
need
to
incorporate
before
we
move
it
forward.
AD
AD
AD
So
with
that,
the
application
of
the
the
ordinance
is
to
it
applies
to
anything,
that's
a
P3,
which
is
a
public-private
partnership
to
apologize
here.
My
notes
have
moved
around
to
make
those
if
we're
providing
an
incentive
to
make
it
feasible,
and
so
with
that
the
program
only
applies
to
construction
related
activities,
and
that
would
include
Rehabilitation
renovation,
Redevelopment
and
new
construction,
and
it
would
be
on
the
construction
value
so
with
that
it
does
and
if
it's
a
program
applies
to
Total
construction
value
of
the
overall
project,
regardless
of
the
phasing.
AD
AD
So
with
that,
it
would
also
automatically
apply
if
it's
10
million
or
more
and
those
could
go
through
examples
of
that
participation
might
be
monetary
incentives,
ad
valorem,
tax
exemptions,
reduction
of
parking
requirements,
infrastructure
upgrades
or
transfer
city-owned
property
at
lower
than
praised
values.
AD
AD
So
a
tier
two
would
have
to
do
everything
in
tier
one
and
when
you
get
to
tier
three,
which
is
a
large
project,
you'd
have
to
do
tier
one
tier
two,
plus
a
few
extra
things,
so
in
each
one
of
those,
the
benefits
would
be
having
a
minority
and
small
business
incentive
requirement
which
is
not
required
by
developer
now.
What
puts
that
on
them
and
that
increases
at
each
level?
AD
So
with
that,
we
also
have
some
other.
You
know
sustainability
standards
that
are
on
here
that
are
mentioned
that
we're
talking
about
high
energy,
high
energy
reinvestment,
and
so
anyway,
we
there's
a
list,
and
this
Miss
Johnson
will
talk
more
about
what's
in
that
list
in
that
guiding
document.
What
this
these
lists
are.
AD
AD
So
we
want
to
hear
from
those
neighbors
put
them
on
this
and
we'll
talk
about
that
process
in
a
moment,
and
then
one
staff,
member
from
my
office
or
administrator
Travis's
office,
would
it
be
appointed
to
that
to
the
minister
and
then
all
appointments
would
follow
the
standard
application
process
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
describe
what
that
process
would
be.
So
the
developer
would
do
their
pre-work
documentation
submit
that
to
us
they
would
set
the
First
Community
engagement
meeting.
AD
They
would
present
the
project
using
the
documentation
that
they
provided
gather
the
input
from
the
community
and
then
they
would
prepare
a
term
a
term
sheet
from
that
input.
We
heard
you
say
this
is
what
we're
coming
back
to.
We
would
hold
a
cbac
meeting,
go
through
that
process
there
and
listen
to
it
and
prove
those
things,
because
some
things
may
more
pliable,
applicable
and
and
have
more
weight.
And
then
once
that
happens,
then
the
city
of
Tampa
and
the
developer
right.
AD
The
CBA
document
based
on
those
terms
and
the
input,
and
then
they
go
to
another
Community
engagement
meeting
present
what
the
CBA
document
is
and
gather
any
more
input
in
case
there's
something
that's
egregious
or
something
that
was
missed
or
clarified.
And
then
once
that's
done,
we
finalize
and
then
we
would
bring
it
to
you
for
consideration.
AD
D
D
AD
Agreement
I
think
that
was
our
intention
is
to
have
one
inclusive
one,
because
this
actually
exceeds
that.
Obviously
we'd
want
the
cra's
input
on
any
of
this,
and
the
members
could
be
selected
from
that,
but
it
was
intended
to
be
Global
everybody's
treated
the
same
obviously
I'd
like
to
let
at
least
speak
on
that
if
you'd
like
well.
AC
I
mean
I'll
speak
to
it,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
a
separate
a
separate
policy.
A
completely
separate
CDA
policy
foresee
already
I
know
that
you
know.
In
this
case,
we
do
want
to
have
a
blanket
policy.
We
want
this
to
be
an
umbrella
policy
that
we
use
throughout
the
city,
CRA
included,
sir.
All.
D
Right
because
I
know
we
have
something
CRA
and
I
can't
remember
all
the
increases
on
this
in
that
way.
So
if
that's
the
case,
you
know
that
way.
These
cras
has
board
know
that
this
will
be
the
blanket
for
the
whole
city
regardless
if
it's
in
a
CRA
zone
or
not,
so
that
might
be
included
into
the
ordinance
because
you
can
say
blanket,
but
so
cra
knows
if
their
money
is
utilized
as
well.
It's
a
part
of
the
process.
D
Would
you
not
agree?
Mr
Johnson.
AC
D
F
D
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
yeah
it's
going
to
be
in
there.
Let's
make
sure
we
got
it
all
in
one
blanket.
That's
going
to
be
the
case
again.
Q
Definitely
and
then
I
also
think
that
we'll
also
think
think
of
it
with
our
CRA
hats
on
when
you
have
CRA
investments
in
blighted
area.
What
that
threshold
may
be
may
be
something
that's
a
little
different
and
you
know
Everyone
likes
to
say
rising
tide
float
all
votes.
Well,
not
if
your
boat
have
a
hole
in
it,
okay,
so
so
let
us
take
a
look
at
that
and
make
sure
that
it's
one
policy
and
again
no
actions
taken
today.
This
is
all
the
feedback
that
we
need
and
want
to
work
on.
P
Good
morning,
council
member
Susan
johnsonville's
legal
department,
so
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
the
next
three
documents
that
you
have
in
the
package
that
Miss
Travis
distributed
earlier
this
morning.
The
first
document
is
the
draft
ordinance
that
would
establish
the
community
benefits
program,
Here
In,
The
City.
P
The
second
document
is
a
resolution
approving
the
form
of
a
CBA
information
sheet
that
Mr
Rosner
referenced
and
then
the
third
document
is
a
resolution
establishing
a
community
benefits,
advisory,
Council,
and
so
all
of
these
documents
really
are
the
kind
of
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
establishing
this
program,
as
described
by
Mr
Rosner
in
his
in
his
presentation
just
a
few
moments
ago.
So,
if
we
can
take
the
first
document,
the
draft
ordinance
and
I
can
just
walk
you
through
it.
P
You
can
get
some
Warehouse
Clauses
on
the
first
page
on
the
second
page,
there's
a
statement
of
council's
findings,
purpose
and
intent,
and
really
they're.
Just
the
fact
that
you
know
your
finding
that
specific
amenities
and
best
practices
that
are
provided
by
certain
level
of
projects
within
the
city
can
mitigate
and
even
create
positive
benefits
for
neighborhoods
in
the
surrounding
community.
That
may
be
impacted
by
those
by
those
projects.
P
The
second
section
is
your
definition.
Section
does
provide
definitions
for
this
ordinance
and
you'll
see
if
you
flip
to
page
three,
there
are
specific
definitions
for
each
tier
of
project.
There
are
three
tier
levels
of
projects
and
they
are
based
on
the
amount
of
total
construction
values,
starting
at
the
low
end
at
two
million
dollars
of
total
construction
cost
and
a
city
participant
participation,
value
equal
to
or
greater
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
P
So
they're
roughly
about
you,
know,
a
quarter
of
the
participation
value
for
the
project
would
be
coming
from
the
city,
and
so
those
tier
levels
are
similar
again
to
the
way
the
Saint
Pete
ordinance,
which
we
studied
very
carefully,
is
structured,
and
so
that
establishes
again
the
definitions
for
the
different
tier
levels
and
then
just
below
that
in
the
next
section
required.
Community
benefits
for
covered
projects
does
describe
for
again
each
of
these
tier
levels,
the
requirements
that
the
developer
has
to
do.
P
So,
if
you
flip
to
the
next
page
for
tier
one,
for
example,
it
starts
off
with
the
filing
of
a
construction
planning.
Worksheet
outlining
the
construction
and
communication
plan
for
the
project
requires
the
developer.
To
hold
two
public
meetings
within
the
community
requires
the
developer
to
submit
a
community
benefit
impact
report
which
again
Rob
mentioned
in
his
presentation.
But
this
details
what
needs
to
be
included
in
that
Community
benefit
impact
report.
P
Things
like
the
Project's
fiscal
impact,
its
housing
impact,
its
employment
impact,
the
environmental
impact,
any
type
of
sustainability
and
resiliency
impacts
that
need
to
be
included
in
that
report.
It
does
require
the
developer
to
comply
with
the
city's
Land,
Development
regulations
and
and
other
lists
of
things
such
as
constructing
a
streetscape
and
public
realm
improvements
requiring
or
requiring
the
developer
to
achieve
lead,
certification
for
certain
levels
of
projects
and
so
forth
and
you'll
see
as
we
go
through
here,
that
the
different
tiers
kind
of
build
on
each
other.
P
So,
for
example,
in
addition
to
the
tier
one
requirements
for
tier
two
projects,
the
developer
has
to
establish
or
utilize
an
apprenticeship
program,
and
then
there
are
additional
City
approved
items
and
the
guidance
documents
which
we'll
get
to
in
just
a
moment
that
the
developer
also
must
must
choose
from
in
order
to
comply
with
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance
and
then.
Finally,
when
we
get
to
tier
three
projects
again
in
the
idea
of
building
on
these
building
on
each
other.
P
So
the
developer
would
have
to
complete
tier
one
and
tier
two
requirements
and
there
would
be
additional
requirements,
such
as
achieving
a
greater
higher
level
of
lead
certification
for
again
that
highest
tier
of
of
projects
and
finally,
their
their
guidance
for
the
requirements
are
going
to
be
established
in
city
council
resolution,
which
I
will
go
over
in
just
one
moment
and
then
the
ordinance.
The
next
section
provides
procedures
for
evaluating
the
community
benefits
of
a
covered
project,
and
so
this
kind
of
sets
out
what
happens
and
and
the
order
in
which
it
happens.
P
So
you'll
see
there
under
subsection
B
prior
to
the
drafting
of
a
term
sheet.
The
developer
has
to
conduct
that
first
public
meeting
in
the
neighborhood
and
then
based
on
the
input
from
the
community,
the
city
and
the
developer
would
then
negotiate
and
generate
a
non-binding
term
sheet,
and
then
it
provides
a
laundry
list
of
five
items
that
must
be
included
in
that
term
sheet
at
a
minimum.
P
It
can
include
again
additional
things,
but,
for
example,
and
as
Rob
mentioned,
a
description
of
the
project,
a
calculation
of
the
how
much
the
city
is
going
to
be
contributing
to
the
project.
The
specific
Community
benefits
that
are
proposed
by
the
developer
and
if
the
developer
is
seeking
any
exemptions
to
the
ordinance.
P
The
remaining
here
talks
about
the
cbac
which
I'll
talk
about
in
in
Greater
detail.
When
we
get
to
the
next
document.
P
There
is
a
section
on
the
next
page
that
allows
for
exemptions
to
the
requirements
of
of
this
ordinance.
For
example,
if
the
covered
project
is
going
to
involve
multiple
dwelling
units
and
at
least
30
percent
of
the
dwelling
units
are
designated
as
affordable
or
Workforce
housing.
The
next
exemption
possible
is
if
a
single,
historically
designated
property
is
involved
within
the
covered
project
and
then
there's
a
catch-all
that
allows
a
developer
to
make
a
case
for
being
granted
an
exemption
based
on
their
demonstration
to
the
city.
P
P
You
know
kind
of
satisfies
the
intent
of
the
these
requirements,
so
it
does
allow
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
in
here
as
well,
and
then
finally,
Council
may
recall
our
our
first,
our
staff's
initial
response
to
the
request
to
review
the
Saint
Pete
ordinance
I,
provided
a
memo
to
city
council
back
in
January.
That
kind
of
detailed
the
CRA
Community
benefits
policy,
as
well
as
our
summary
of
of
our
review
of
the
Saint
Pete
ordinance
and
at
the
tail
end
of
that
memo.
I
did
note
that
or
I
did
caution.
P
City
Council
about
kind
of
connecting
a
community
benefits
requirement
to
issuance
of
any
development
permit,
such
as
you
do
with
rezoning
applications
and
that
city
council
should
avoid
doing
that.
If
you
decided
to
proceed
with
this,
and
so
on
the
last
page
of
the
ordinance
under
the
section
entitled
inapplicable
projects,
as
Rob
mentioned,
this
would
would
not
apply
to
city-owned.
P
You
know,
projects
for
city-owned
facilities
or
city-led
projects
and
then
that
second
sentence
states
that
the
article
is
not
intended
and
shall
not
apply
to
the
review
and
issuance
of
any
development
order
by
the
city,
including
any
rezoning
approvals
or
any
quasi-judicial
approvals
associated
with
the
project,
so
that
again
kind
of
highlights
the
the
need
to
kind
of
keep
these
two
items
separate.
So
that
is
the
ordinance
in
a
nutshell,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
but
I.
P
If
we
could
move
on
to
the
the
next
document,
which
is
the
resolution
approving
a
form
of
the
proposed
Community
benefit
agreement,
information
sheet
and
again
the
attachment
attachment
a
is
just
you'll,
see
a
an
information
sheet.
This
would
be
filled
out
by
the
developer
in
conjunction
with
the
city,
but
it
it
really
is
kind
of
a
name
ranking
serial
number.
You
know
the
who
the
developer
is
where
the
project
is
located,
what
neighborhoods
are
impacted?
P
It
does
provide
for
all
of
the
different
requirements
and
possibilities,
the
the
list
of
things
that
developer
can
choose
from,
and
it
allows
just
for
kind
of
an
accounting
of
what's
going
to
happen,
and
it
will
be
kind
of
be
the
foundation
for
a
term
sheet
and
then,
ultimately,
the
negotiation
and
drafting
of
the
community
benefits
agreement.
That
would
come
back
to
city
council
and
then
the
final
document
is
a
resolution
that
establishes
the
community
benefit
advisory.
P
Council
that
we
have
referred
to
this
morning,
as
Rob
mentioned,
the
CBA
membership
will
have
will
be
seven
people.
There
would
be
two
members,
two
standing
members,
one
Member
One
Standing
member
appointed
by
the
mayor,
one
standing
member
appointed
by
city
council.
Those
would
be
two-year
terms
and
then
there
would
be
four
members
that
would
be
based
on
a
project
by
project
basis.
So
those
are
going
to
be
rolling
members
you're
going
to
have
different
variations
of
the
cbac
depending
on
the
project.
So
the
the
membership
will
change.
P
P
Two
members
will
be
appointed
by
the
administration,
so
that
would
be
six
members
of,
and
then
the
final
member
would
be
a
designee
of
the
Deo
department
or
the
Deo
administrator
as
as
Rob
mentioned,
and
so
that
final
resolution
just
kind
of
establishes
that
process
and
how
the
members
will
be
appointed
and
and
how
long
they
will
serve
and
then
also
sets
out.
As
you
can
see
on
the
second
page
of
the
resolution,
the
charges
and
responsibilities
and
what
the
responsibilities
and
and
duties
of
the
cbac
will
be.
P
That
concludes
my
kind
of
summary
and
walk
through
of
the
documents.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
or
Rob
or
Elise
would
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
them.
D
I'm
glad
you
addressed
that,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
you
know
we
didn't,
have
a
blanket
forward
and
they're
not
representing
the
different
communities
right,
so
I
think
that
might
need
to
be
maybe
a
little
tweak,
so
they'll
know
that's
coming
from
the
mirror,
just
ad
hoc.
What
does
ad
hoc
mean
I?
D
Think
that's
one
area,
two
again
when
we
look
at
a
lioness
I,
don't
know
we
can
or
not
with
the
CRA
I
know
we
have
a
person
from
the
doe,
but
if
it's
in
a
CRA,
Zone
and
I
think
a
CRA
director
or
whatever
should
be
a
part
of
that,
if
it's
effective
of
a
CRA
Zone,
because
they
would
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
certainly.
P
D
You
know
I
think
Detroit
was
the
first
one
to
come
out
with
the
CBA
Origins.
That's
why
I
researched
and
talked
to
some
folks
there
when
I
talked
about
this
in
2019
I
know,
St
P
has
some
things,
but
I'm
glad
that
we
did
Mr
Drago
said
he
did
look
at
other
areas
to
see
what
they
were
doing
as
well,
and
we
just
didn't
look
at
what
Saint
Pete
was
doing
but
kind
of
mixed
it
all
together
in
the
pot
right
now,
I'm.
D
You
know
until
we
put
it
into
action
to
see
how
it
works.
We
don't
know,
but
we
want
to
get
it,
then
we
can
tweak
it
from
there.
I
believe,
but
I'm
satisfied
today.
As
long
as
we
can
look
at
that
ad
hoc
situation
and
then
see
how
that
CRA
component
is
going
to
work
versus
the
blanket
CRA
I'll
Standalone
or
we're
going
to
incorporate
it
and
have
something
mentioned,
the
CRA
within
the
exact
coordinates.
P
Okay,
we
can
certainly
do
that
and
yes
I,
think
and
council
member
tier
to
your
point.
Detroit
was
one
of
the
first
ones
and
they
have
since
just
recently
adopted
amendments
to
their
so.
D
P
It
will
take
some
tweaking
but
and
I
I
guess:
I'll
ask
Elise
to
come
back
up
with
a
timeline
and
requests
for
accounts.
Oh
yes,
sorry.
K
K
Wherever
the
project
is
two
by
the
mayor
and
two
by
Council
I
think
is
absolutely
critical,
because
people
that
are
affected
by
and
live
within
that
zone
will
have
their
voice
heard
and
be
able
to
participate,
because
it's
going
to
be,
you
know
it's
going
to
benefit
or
impact
their
community
and
I
think
that's
the
most
important
part
of
Citizen
involvement,
where
there's
the
most
transparency
as
well
as
a
balance
of
who
appoints
who
and
and
I
think
that's
very,
very
good.
But
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
K
N
It
seems
to
me
that
the
the
numbers
on
tier
one
and
tier
two
are
too
low.
The
the
first
part
is
tier
one.
Two
million
dollars
of
the
city
participates
25
in
the
second
one
4
million
at
25,
and
then
it
says
you
know
10
million
15
million
on
the
two
or
four
million
it
seems
like
it
would
be
unnecessarily
burdensome
for
some
of
the
smaller
non-profits
and
smaller
developers.
N
I,
don't
know
if
it's
based
on
the
the
the
Saint
Pete
one
and
and
how
long
ago
that
was
done,
but
but
with
all
the
inflation,
that's
happened
in
the
last
two
years.
That
seems
those
lower
numbers
seem
like
really
low
numbers.
N
These
may
not
go
in
South
Tampa,
but
unfortunately
it's
difficult
to
buy
a
single
family
home
in
South
Tampa
for
less
than
a
million,
and
most
condos
are
going
for
more
than
that,
and
so
as
as
inflation
continues
to
go
up,
2
million
is
like,
like
two
lots
in
South
Tampa.
N
The
second
thing
is
that
I
think
it
for
the
makeup
of
the
board.
I
I
would
recommend
that
we
add
one
representative
from
each
city
council
member
because
of
the
the
diversity
of
thought
throughout
the
city.
You
get
diversity
of
thought
from
the
people
that
we
might
appoint,
but
diversity
of
thought
from
representation
throughout
the
city
I
like
the
idea
of
having
four
people
from
the
neighborhood,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
have
a
broader
review
of
these
things
as
well.
Thank
you.
N
AC
So
if
I
may
speak
to
that
councilman,
you
mentioned
that
the
the
numbers
on
tiers
one
and
two
are
too
low
and
that
some
of
the
nonprofits
may
not
be
able
to
meet
those
numbers
so
or
meet
some
of
the
criteria
listed.
But
we
do
have
some
room
for
exemptions
and
I
think
the
nonprofits
do
fit
into
that
category
in
which
they
may
be
exempt
from
having
to
meet
the
CBA.
AC
N
Mean
just
off
the
top
my
head,
it
seems
like
that.
You
know
that
tier
one
is
is
10
million
overall,
but
maybe
it
should
be
5
million
if
the
city's
participating
25
percent,
but
that
that
gives
you
it
5
million.
These
days
is
not
a
very
big
project.
It
sounds
like
a
big
number.
I
was
just
in
Raleigh
on
Monday
in
the
in
the
head
of
Economic.
Development
said
said
that
people,
because
of
their
housing,
housing
shortage
people.
N
Actually
people
actually
want
more
million
dollar
homes
and
they
actually
like
a
million
dollars,
is
a
lot
of
money,
but
in
South
Tampa.
Unfortunately,
you
know
it's
spreading
throughout
the
city.
It's
probably
in
your
District
too.
It's
it's
it.
The
prices
are
so
high.
Almost
nobody
can
afford
them,
and
if
we,
if
we
set
this
too
low,
it's
gonna
unreasonably
raise
the
cost
even
more
for
people
who
are
trying
to
get
in
and
it's
not
just
non-profits,
it's
small
developers
too.
N
AC
We'll
modify
those
numbers
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
follow
up
with
you
and
then,
as
it
relates
to
those
them
just
the
membership
makeup
of
that
committee.
I
think
that
part
of
this
is
a
focus
on
the
the
community
of
where
the
project
is
taking
place
and
so
selecting
that
committee
with
respect
to
the
council
and
having
each
member
have
multiple
or
individual
selections.
AC
You
know,
typically,
the
makeup
of
that
small
group
is
within
a
half
mile
of
the
project
itself,
and
so,
if
there
are
some,
you
know
additional
feedback.
We
might
be
able
to
take
from
you
on
how
to
how
to
keep
those
numbers.
AC
I
want,
say
a
low
in
order
to
limit
feedback,
but
please
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
a
volunteer
committee
as
well,
and
so
it's
very
difficult
to
get
people
to
participate
in
these
committees,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
issues
with
quorums
or
getting
people
to
show
up
to
be
a
part
of
this
process.
Yeah.
N
We're
going
to
create
a
committee
of
any
kind
I
think
that
there
should
be
one
from
each
city
council
member,
because
it
it
reflects
the
diversity
of
thought,
of
how
we
got
elected
and
it
reflects
the
diversity
of
thought
of
the
different
parts
of
the
city
and
and
and
and
whatever
the
mayor
wants.
On
top
of,
that
is
fine,
but
I
understand.
This
is
a
slightly
different
one.
But
just
that's
my
philosophy
in
general
that
we
should
have
representation,
diverse
representation
from
the
city.
I
Four:
five,
six
and
seven
as
far
as
Council,
so
in
every
District,
no
matter
where
you're
at
you
have
from
the
highest
end
to
the
lowest
end
of
income,
no
matter
which
one
you're
in
it
has
some
of
that.
So
therefore,
if
you
do
that
the
ones
that
appointed
by
council
members
even
within
that
District
something
that
may
be
tomorrow,
Jermaine
to
this
part
of
the
district,
would
not
be
germane
to
this
part
of
the
district.
F
I
Just
want
to
get
so
what
I'm
saying
is
that
it
you're
looking
for
something
and
if
the
more
you
make
it
the
more
difficult
you're
going
to
have,
because
every
district
is
aligned
with
population
with
intent
that
the
council
represents
the
city
as
a
whole
and
those
four
districts
are
the
total
District
Subs
of
the
city
and
within
those
four
districts
you
have
every
kind
you
can
make.
That's
what
makes
the
city
of
Tampa
so
unique.
You
have
from
high-end
income
to
lesser
income,
yeah
from
highest
education
to
some
education.
C
M
In
theory
I
like
that,
we
each
get
representation,
but
then
I
would
feel
that
we
would
still
need
more
from
the
community.
I
feel
like
the
community,
where
that
project
is
happening
should
have
more
say
just
overall,
because
the
project
is
impacting
them.
That's
my
concern
with
expanding
the
the
makeup.
C
C
C
AC
C
D
AC
Hearing
correct,
so
we
can
follow
up
with
you
individually
to
to
take
that
feedback
that
you
have
today,
and
we
hear
some
of
the
feedback
that
that
you've
shared
with
us.
We
can
make
those
proposed
changes
and
you
know.
Ideally,
we
have
November
17th
as
a
proposed
hearing
that
way
we
open
it
up
for
public
comment
and
we
take
that
comment
as
well,
so
we
don't
delay
this
process.
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
sir.
C
V
You
very
much-
and
this
is
one
dear
to
my
heart-
and
you
know
how
long
it's
been
going
on-
Mr
Charlie
you're
right.
Let
me
explain
this
to
you
up.
That's
one
of
the
first
of
all.
None
of
these
documents
was
online
for
the
public
to
look
at
zero
sitting
here.
Talking
I
can't
even
follow
it.
Public
never
got
these
documents.
They're
sitting
here
want
y'all
to
prove
these
resolutes,
and
all
this
here
come
on.
V
Carson
I
can't
believe
it
man
me
and
you
green
on
Saturday
man,
listen
you're
right
them,
threshold
values.
You
got
a
small
contractor
that
comes
in
here
and
there's
a
million
dollar.
He
got
to
go
to
a
CDA
man.
I
don't
know
about
that
I
think
we
got
and
then
Charlie
you're
right
we're
all
over
with
you
have
you
may
have
10
of
these
products
going
on.
V
You
don't
have
10
of
these
committees
going
around
you're
gonna
have
10
of
these
projects
are
going
around
the
city
all
the
way
from
New
Tampa
Viera,
all
the
way
to
South
Tampa,
West,
Tampa,
East,
Tampa
and
in
the
middle?
How
are
you
going
to
have
one?
You?
Don't
have
committees
for
every
one
of
these,
because
you
said
you
want
people
from
all
the
neighborhoods
that
need
to
be
thought
out,
man
that
need
to
be
thought
out,
because
then
y'all
got
to
sit
there
and
upon
them
they
got
to
make
out
an
application.
V
They
got
to
have
background
checks,
City
attorney's
office,
so
we
don't
get
felons
on
there.
Okay,
we
got
to
do
all
that
by
time.
You
do
all
at
a
point:
y'all
got
to
get
to
meet
y'all
return
back.
We
ain't,
we
got
too
much
stuff
going
on
agenda,
so
y'all
gonna
be
sitting
to
appoint
people.
This
appointment
and
we
growing-
and
you
know
we're
gonna-
have
to
we
didn't.
V
Look
at
this
threshold
we
need
to
maybe
have
one
thing
and
try
to
pick
some
people
like
Mr
ransom,
one
from
each
of
the
single
member
districts,
and
then
you
know
add
that
this
is
gonna,
be
Hocus
Pocus,
it's
already
a
problem,
getting
people
on
the
CIA
since
Advance
committee
and
they
can
come
I,
don't
have
to
be
there.
They
can
be
businesses,
people
that
own
a
business
in
the
CRA.
It's
eligible
to
be
sitting
on
that.
V
So
that's
an
issue
they're
dealing
with
that,
but,
like
again,
like
I,
said
Point,
those
numbers
is
an
issue.
This
was
not
on
these
documents
not
available.
V
And
you're
right,
Mr
Goose.
How
does
the
CRA
committed
benefit
that
I
know
somewhere
exists,
tie
into
this
so-called
Global
for
the
City
of
Tampa
they're
on
the
right
track?
But
we
ain't
got
the
track
straight
yet
Charlie.
So,
let's,
let's
try
to
get
I,
can't
believe
this
cost
me
and
you're
green
on
Sunday
man,
you
Granny
day
man.
It's
break
time
minute.
I
I
C
AF
Good
afternoon
Allison
Hewitt,
East,
Tampa
resident
and
business
owner
I
am
thrilled
about
the
the
draft
that
has
come
out.
I
just
have
several
comments
for
three
of
the
items
that
were
discussed,
and
my
comments
are
in
the
body
highlighted
in
yellow
I
will
start
with
the
ordinance
the
ordinance
document,
one
under
definitions.
Thank
you,
councilman
Goose,
for
bringing
up
how
this
will
relate
to
the
CRA
I'm.
Also
looking
at
this
very
specifically
as
the
economic
development
committee
of
the
East
Tampa
cra,
so
the
provision
of
land
below
market
value.
AF
My
question
is:
does
that
mean
that
land
will
not
be
a
contribution
to
some
projects
to
be
able
to
do
a
lot
of
the
projects
and
development
in
East
Tampa
in
the
historically
underserved
areas?
There's
not
a
lot
of
money
for
the
people
who
are
developing
it
and
that
helps
them
have
equity
in
their
project
to
be
able
to
hone
the
land.
The
second
one
is:
would
this
also
include
borrowing
against
future
increase
in
Tiff?
AF
Is?
This
is
also
going
to
be
a
blanket
for
the
CRA?
Could
we
also
in
the
city
participation
include
what
those
definitions
of
the
CRA
participation
would
be
two
pages
over
you
will
have,
and
all
of
these
are
numbered
as
well.
Number
three:
is
there
a
minimum
number
of
participants
to
qualify
as
a
acceptable
Outreach?
As
you
can
see
in
the
presentation
you
were
presented,
they
have
public
engagements
on
May,
9th
and
May
16th,
with
approximately
30
to
40
people
and
192
responses.
AF
What
will
be
what
you
accept
as
public
participation
if
they
have
this
project
and
they
put
it
out
in
newspapers
that
are
not
read
and
circulations
that
are
not
read
and
they
are
only
one
or
two
people
attend?
Will
you
accept
that
I?
Don't
know
who
will
be
the
person
that
accepts
it
or
not?
But
what
will
be
the
minimum
number
of
participants
for
the
community
outreach
number
four.
AF
Thank
you.
The
lead,
certifications
making
it
may
or
shell
I
just
want
to
make
sure
with
the
supply
chain
issues
and
actually
actually
accessibility
to
these
type
of
materials
and
supplies
wondering
if
staff
has
ascertained
and
if
the
city
of
Tampa
Hillsborough
County,
if
developers
can
actually
maintain
that
level
of
lead
certification
based
on
availability,
number
six
is
alternative
to
the
print
apprenticeship
program.
AF
This
is
for
exemptions,
number
seven
who
design
who
decides
the
process?
There
might
be
a
lot
smaller
nonprofits
who
can
participate,
but
maybe
at
a
lower
responsibility
level,
because
I
still
think
a
community
benefits
agreement
for
a
non-profit
will
be
good
for
the
community
if
they
can.
AF
The
see
c
b,
a
c
the
what
are
the
responsibilities
other
than
on
section
four
for
the
standing
members
and
also
for
the
Adcock
members,
if
we're
looking
at
East,
Tampa
CRA
and
these
projects
and
they
live
within
one
mile,
will
those
ad
hoc
minimums
be
able
to
get
some
type
of
training
or
information
to
make
sure
that
they
are
being
able
to
represent
their
community
in
a
development
project?
We
have
not
had
a
lot
of
development
in
East
Tampa.
We
have
incredible
opportunities
about
to
happen.
AF
The
cost
for
financing
is
often
a
challenge
if
the
tiers
can
be
maybe
have
some
flexibility
in
the
CRA
areas
to
make
sure
that
the
areas
that
we're
trying
we're
trying
to
have
the
smaller
African-American
developers
to
be
able
to
develop
our
communities
and
could
those
tiers
again
I
appreciate
the
tears
I
think
the
tears
need
to
be
there,
but
maybe
allow
whoever
makes
these
decisions
to
have
those
tiers
have
some
flexibility
to
allow
some
minority
developers
to
be
able
to
develop
in
our
community.
Thank.
V
Y
C
M
Y
And
then
one
more
okay,
the
other
thing
is
where
in
the
world
are
you
gonna
find
the
two
regular
people
they
are
going
to
be
stay
on
this
Council
all
the
time,
I
think
everybody
in
that
room
knows
that
their
prop.
You
could
probably
have
no
more
than
the
people
who
are
in
that
room
right
now
that
are
capable
of
sitting
on
that
board,
who
are
not
already
in
the
development
community
that
would
be
trusted
by
the
neighborhoods.
So
we
got,
we've
got
to
take
that
into
consideration.
Y
I,
don't
know
that
it's
necessarily
a
great
thing
to
expand
it.
A
smaller
group
can
get
more
done
if
they're,
seven,
okay,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
have
a
harder
time,
placing
those
two
people
from
the
mayor
and
city
council
than
anything,
because
there's
just
not
enough
folks
who
really
understand
what
is
happening
and
we've
seen
this
even
recently.
I
know
that
Allison
and
I
were
in
a
meeting
last
week
and
somebody
got
off
on
a
chain-linked
fence
tangent
with
a
developer,
and
we
were
like
that's
going
to
go
away.
Y
We
don't
need
to
talk
about
that,
so
you
I,
don't
know
how
and
I
I
am
in
agreement
with
Allison
that
we
must
have
training
for
this
board.
It
should
probably
be
videoed
and
people
should
be
required
to
watch
it
and
things
like
that,
but
my
biggest
concern
is
finding
somebody
outside
the
development
Community
to
start
on
that
board.
Thank
you.
C
Y
Bennett
are
you
there?
I
actually
did
not
sign
up
for
this.
One
and
I
don't
have
a
comment,
but
thank
you
for
asking.
C
D
This
drug
will,
you
know
again
great
job
of
we've,
been
waiting
waiting
for
this
and
you
told
me
you
would
get
it
done
and
your
staff
finally
got
it
done
for
him.
There
are
a
few
things
with
anything.
A
few
Kinks
you've
heard
them
all
I.
Think
Miss
Hewitt
has
some
great
points:
Mr
Robinson
I'm,
still
continuous
of
how
do
we
making
sure
we
have
constantly
with
that
Community
I?
Don't
want
outside
people
who
don't
know
about
that
Community
trying
to
make
an
opinion
about
something
they
they
don't
live
there.
D
They
don't
understand
that,
but
I
do
want.
Well,
anyway,
you
know
I,
don't
put
anybody
on
any
board
when
I
give
a
selection
who
don't
know
the
subject
matter
so
I
think
it's
crucial
that
we
have
people
that
are
appointed
that
do
know
communities.
They
do
no
development,
the
impacts
and
I.
Just
put
you
know,
ladies
with
Miss
Ruth
who's,
90
years
old,
on
a
board,
and
she
don't
know
nothing.
D
She
says
yeah
baby,
you
know
and
that's
great
she
want
to
volunteer,
but
you
know
we
talk
about
economic
impact
in
a
month.
We
want
people
to
on
aboard
that
know
the
subject
matter
and
I
love
my
truth:
I
love,
Miss,
Jones,
Miss
gray,
want
to
volunteer
and
that's
always
a
great
and
not
necessary
on
certain
boards,
but
on
certain
boards
you
have
to
have
people
that
know
the
subject
matter
to
make
things
move
so
again.
M
The
only
thing
I
request
in
coming
forward
is
that
you
address
Miss
Hewitt's
questions
which
I
thought
were
really
good,
and
the
discussion
between
the
CRA
versus
this
umbrella
organization
and
how
we
balance
all
that
out
and
I
will
agree
with
Mr
Good's
comments
about
the
difficulty
of
finding
appropriate
people
to
serve
on
these
boards.
B
I
H
Mr
chairman
may
I
inquire.
How
much
time
does
council
wish
to
have
to
look
at
it
and
review
this
before
it
comes
back?
They
had
talked
about
November
I'm
wondering
if
that's
official
time
for
Council
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
I'd
like
Mr
Goods,
considering
that
this
was
his
item
is.
A
AC
Like
to
set
it
for
November
17th
and
then,
if
that
way,
we
can
make
the
appropriate
changes
Mr
chair
so.
C
C
AE
Okay,
good
afternoon
Council
Sal
rogerio,
Deputy,
Administrator
infrastructure
services,
we're
here
on
item
number
13..
We
have
a
video
that
we
want
to
play.
That
gives
an
overall
view
of
of
what
we'll
be
talking
about
today
and
then
we'd
like
to
address
the
the
motion,
and
then
we
have
experts
here
for
the
for
the
the
team
for
questions
so
I
know,
most
of
you
did
did
a
tour
of
the
facility.
This
would
be
like
a
refresher,
but
this
will
show
the
public
of
what
exactly
we're
talking
about
so
without
any
further
Ado.
AE
AB
AB
Each
day,
McKay
Bay
converts
more
than
two
million
pounds
of
household
and
Commercial
waste
into
electrical
energy
enough
to
power.
Approximately
fifteen
thousand
homes
monthly.
The
ash
left
over
is
then
processed
to
recover
metal
for
recycling,
while
all
gases
are
put
through
a
multi-step
pollution
control
system.
AB
Maintaining
the
facility
to
meet
and
exceed
industry
standards
will
keep
the
facility
functioning
for
generations
to
come
and
help
us
invest
in
a
brighter
future.
For
our
city,
investing
in
our
future
means
investing
in
the
facility
overall
12
Capital
Improvement
projects
are
needed
to
maintain
our
waste
to
energy
facility.
AB
Here
is
a
closer
look
at
five
of
them.
The
Ash
and
scalper
building
requires
major
repairs.
This
building
is
where
Ash
and
Ash
equipment
are
stored,
located
and
contained
and
is
required
for
safe
operations
of
the
facility.
After
more
than
30
years
of
use,
this
building
is
in
dire
need
of
refurbishment.
To
avoid
negative
environmental
impacts
safety
hazards
and
to
stay
within
the
regulations
of
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency,
these
cooling
towers
are
used
to
cool
down
the
steam
used
for
electricity
generation
once
cooled.
Water
is
then
recirculated
through
the
system
to
begin
the
process.
AB
AB
The
upgrades
needed
include
the
replacement
of
the
structure
for
the
cooling
towers,
a
fire
resistant
deck
and
the
replacement
of
corroding
pipes
are
needed.
Waste
combustion
never
stops
at
McKay
Bay,
which
means
the
turbine
generator
operates.
Around
the
Clock
pressurized
Steam
from
combustion
pushes
fan
blades
to
spin
the
turbine
at
speeds
of
3600
revolutions
per
minute.
AB
The
recommended
lifespan
of
a
turbine
generator
is
five
to
seven
years
after
nine
years
of
use,
this
equipment
needs
a
complete
overhaul.
Without
the
turbine,
electricity
cannot
be
generated
to
continue
generating
electrical
energy
efficiently.
A
new
Transformer
is
also
required.
The
main
Transformer
shown
here
steps
up
the
voltage
produced
by
the
generator
to
supply
power
to
the
city
of
Tampa.
AB
These
cranes
are
original
to
our
facility
and
have
been
in
use
since
the
opening
in
1984..
They
keep
the
combustion
process
going.
These
cranes
must
continually
feed
waste
from
the
storage
pit
to
the
boilers
they
can
grab
up
to
five
thousand
pounds
of
waste
and
endure
use.
24,
7.,
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
the
cranes
are
challenging
and
costly,
especially
as
required
Parts
become
obsolete.
AB
Without
these
major
improvements,
the
city
of
Tampa
will
not
be
able
to
process
the
thousands
of
pounds
of
waste
that
City
residents
and
businesses
generate
daily
a
step
in
the
wrong
direction
towards
transforming
Tapas
tomorrow.
Without
this
facility,
our
waste
would
need
to
be
sent
to
a
landfill
or
transported
to
a
surrounding
County's
waste
to
energy
facility.
AB
AB
This
process
requires
waste
to
be
buried
and
over
time,
bacteria
will
break
down
generating
methane
and
carbon
dioxide.
These
greenhouse
gases
are
84
times
more
potent
as
a
climate
change
in
gas
than
CO2
transporting
and
processing
city
of
Tampa's
waste
to
surrounding
County
Waste
facilities
is
not
an
effective
or
efficient
method
of
disposal.
This
process
would
greatly
increase
our
cost
and
decrease
our
vehicle
lifespan,
as
well
as
harm
the
overall
operations
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
solid
waste
and
environmental
program
management
department
in
the
event
of
an
emergency.
AB
Nearby
waste
processing
and
management
sites
are
willing
to
come
to
the
rescue
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
but
are
unable
to
do
so
for
a
substantial
amount
of
time
by
using
alternative
sites.
The
city
of
Tampa
would
put
operations
of
other
municipalities
at
risk
and
lower
the
life
expectancy
of
their
facilities,
a
book
because
they
aren't
willing
to
pay
investing
in
the
McKay
Bay
waste
to
energy
facility
is
investing
in
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
city
of
Tampa
and
its
future.
AG
Thank
you
for
indulging
us
for
the
video
Council
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
brief
comments.
I
know
your
your
time.
Management
is
important
and
then
we'll
have
whatever
questions
you'd
like
to
have
answered.
We've
got
some
City
and
outside
folks
here,
just
a
very
quick
reminder
of
something
you
saw
last
week
from
our
chief
of
staff
as
we
start
to
get
in
a
flow
of
doing
these
project
updates.
AG
So,
just
briefly
again,
I
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
about
the
motion.
Today.
AG
We
have
a
framework
for
our
planning
and
that
planning
is
our
comprehensive
plan,
our
2040
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
actually
very
impressive.
If
any
of
you've
had
the
chance
to
take
a
look
at.
It
starts
at
page
219
by
the
way,
and
the
plan
contains
all
the
elements
that
cover
the
city's
Mission
and
services.
AG
Goal
number
two
reduce
the
volume
of
solid
waste
sent
to
the
landfill
in
order
to
maintain
Public,
Health,
Environmental,
Quality
and
land
use
compatibility
and
where
that
goes,
one
of
the
other
key
objectives.
Last
one
I'll
mention
maintain
Monitor
and
maximize
the
use
of
facilities
and
equipment
to
ensure
adequate
provision
of
Solid
Waste
Services.
AG
So,
as
you
can
see
from
the
video
from
our
policies
that
our
comp
plan
we're
committed
to
this
plant,
we're
committed
to
the
environmental
environmental
benefits
that
provides
we're
committed
to
receiving
the
revenue
or
reducing
our
costs
for
Waste
Management
I
also
want
to
mention
that,
under
the
framework
of
that
bigger
comp
plan,
we
have
the
five-year
Capital
Improvement
program.
In
fact,
the
capital
Improvement
program
was
just
improved
by
city
council
a
couple
weeks
ago.
AG
Another
layer
of
planning
over
that
plan
is
a
more
fluid
10-year
CIP
projection.
So
we
have
the
implementation.
We
have
the
protected
needs
and
costs,
and
then
we
have
the
framework
of
the
policies
and
goals
and
objectives
that
we're
following
in
terms
of
this
asset
and
every
other
asset
we
have
for
all
of
our
other
departments,
so
I
feel,
like
we've
got
great
planning,
structure,
planning
decision,
making
opportunities.
AG
I
won't
mention
some
of
the
components
that
need
to
be
upgraded.
I
appreciate
all
those
of
you
that
were
able
to
join
us
on
a
tour.
You
probably
saw
firsthand
some
of
the
needs
that
we
have
so
we're
looking
forward
to
making
those
improvements
with
the
recent
contract
that
was
issued
with
cppi
Incorporated.
AG
K
Thank
you
very
much
that
was
a
very
soothing
and
informative
video.
It
felt
like
I
mentioned
it
felt
like
Epcot.
K
But
I
will
say:
I
appreciate,
Chuck
and
everybody
else
for
giving
me
and
other
council
members
the
tour
of
the
of
the
entire
facility.
It's
absolutely
fascinating.
I
know
trash,
isn't
glamorous,
but
when
you
look
at
how
a
city
needs
to
be
run
and
managed,
this
is
absolutely
critical.
K
You
know
we
often
say
that
there
are
wants
and
there
are
needs-
and
this
is
an
absolute
need
and
necessity,
because
if
we
have
a
turbine
failure
we
have
any
kind
of
failure,
I
mean
there's.
We
talked
about
30
years
and
then
I
heard
about
you
know:
equipment
from
1984..
You
walk
through
that
building
and
there's
plaques
on
the
wall
from
1967
an
older
facility
that
no
longer
exists,
but
we've
been
doing
this
for
over
half
a
century.
K
If
there
is
a
major
disruption
in
service,
not
only
do
we
lose
revenue
from
the
energy
aspect
of
it,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
imagine
what
would
happen
to
our
city
when
we
have
these
Services
come
to
basically
a
halt
and
we
have
to
Outsource
and
use
other
municipality
Services,
which
is
going
to
be
very
expensive.
It's
going
to
cause
a
tremendous
backlog,
we're
going
to
have
people
here
with
pitchforks,
because,
again
you
know
trash
pickup
and
management,
Solid,
Waste,
pickup
and
management
is
absolutely
critical.
K
So
when
you
look
at
these
kinds
of
Investments
and
we're
looking
out
decades,
you
know
we
we
have
the
we've
reached
the
30-year
lifespan
now
and
we're
looking
towards
the
future.
But
this
is
something
that's
an
absolute
necessity
and
again
after
taking
a
tour
of
the
facility,
it's
very
eye-opening.
You
see
what
needs
maintenance.
K
You
see,
Patchwork,
how
we've
tried
to
do
our
best
to
keep
things
going
without
spending
huge
amounts
of
money,
but
I
think
we've
reached
the
point
where
the
time
to
make
that
investment
in
the
future
is
is
now
and
it's
absolutely
critical
and
necessary.
Thank
you.
M
I'm
going
to
Echo
what
councilman
maniscus
said
so
eloquently
it
it.
This
is
absolutely
if
you
see
it,
it's
100
needed,
but
overall
included
in
this,
or
maybe
even
a
little
bit
separate.
It's
a
discussion
of
how
much
trash
this
municipality
creates
and
to
go
along
with
this,
and
with
the
with
the
litter
pickup
program
like
how
do
we
decrease
the
amount
of
trash
that's
coming
in
from
residents
and
just
how
do
we
incentivize?
M
M
So
that's
like
that's
my
other
point
is
we
could
actually
increase
the
revenue
if
we
decrease
the
amount
of
trash
that
we
produce,
which
sounds
counter-intuitive
but
I
think
would
really
be
awesome
and
again
I'll
talk
to
each
of
you
about
trash
at
any
time.
So
thank
you.
Councilman
Carlos.
N
Mr,
chair
I
think
we
ought
to
continue
this.
All
of
this
discussion
doesn't
answer
the
question
of
the
of
the
motion
that
was
made
in
the
item
that
was
put
on
there.
That
this
item
was
about
the
30-year
plan
and
policies
at
the
incinerator.
It
was
not
about
whether
we
should
have
the
incendiary
or
not,
and
I
I
have
not
yet
had
a
chance
to
personally
true
the
incinerator
but
I'm
going
to
if
I
can,
because
I'm
fascinated
with
it
and
I've
never
been
against
the
incinerator.
N
Five-Year
Plan
and
I
asked
very
basic
questions
about
what's
the
30-year
plan
and
the
video
is
interesting
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
see
what's
going
on,
but
there
were
several
projects
that
were
hinted
at
in
the
video
that
I'm
not
sure
where,
under
the
265
million
and
and
and
and
the
question
was
what's,
the
30-year
plan
and
I
can
sit
here
for
the
next
30
45
minutes
and
ask
questions,
and
you
all
can
answer
it.
N
I
understand
that,
because
I've
talked
to
environmentalists,
I
would
like,
if
we're
going
to
answer
that
question,
though,
let's
do
it
with
data
to
show
what
the
actual
cost
difference
is
that
that's
the
thing
I
was
not
asking
the
question
so
that
we
could
argue
that
we
would
send
trucks
up
to
Pasco.
County
I
was
asking
the
question
so
that
we
could
show
the
public
that
this
is
a
better
decision
and
on
the
on
the
30-year
plan.
N
If
this
thing
is
going
to
cost
265
million
for
for
five
years
and
if
that's
primarily
paying
for
the
turbines,
what
about
all
the
other
things
that
are
there
and
what
else
it
sounds
like
the
whole
thing,
pretty
much
needs
to
be
rebuilt,
because
it's
37
years
old
or
whatever
I
just
want
to
know
what
the
numbers
are
and
and
that's
the
simple
question:
what's
the
30-year
plan
you
presented
goals
last
time,
I
asked
about
goals
and,
and
nobody
had
any
that
they
could
talk
about.
N
So
at
least
we
got
that
that,
but
there's
there
should
be
a
list
of
all
the
things
that
need
to
be
replaced
over
a
30-year
period,
and
it
just
at
least
a
rough
estimate
at
how
that's
going
to
be
10
years
is
just
not
enough,
because
it's
not
it's
not
a
full
Project
Life
Cycle
of
this
I
would
I
can
ask
all
those
questions
now,
but
we're
running
out
of
time.
I'd
rather
just
continue.
This
till
January
26th
workshop
and
I'll
I
would
ask
Miss
Duncan
to
have
a
longer
conversation
about
presenting
this.
I
Miranda,
thank
you
very
much.
When
you
look
at
government
or
you
look
at
a
private
Enterprise,
they
both
have
the
same
structure
in
a
way
when
you
lease
a
car
or
you
buy
a
car.
What
happens?
Well,
if
you
buy
a
car,
you
have
it
for
a
long
period
of
time.
I
You
lease
a
car.
Usually
you
lose
it
for
a
year
and
at
the
end
of
20
years
you
have
at
least
20
cars,
and
you
still
don't
own
the
car
yeah.
You
got
to
provide
the
insurance
and
so
forth
and
so
on.
When
you
buy
a
car,
it's
yours
after
I
used
to
be
when
I
was
a
teenager
18
months,
then
it
went
to
24
months.
Then
it
went
to
five
years
now
you
got
to
buy
a
car.
I
I
So
if
we
find
out
what
the
items
are
that
need
to
be,
and
they
should
be
listed
all
of
them
and
come
up
with
a
an
operational
and
then
do
I
and
I
understand.
This
is
part
of
the
Solid
Waste
Department
am
I
correct
some
in
there.
So
we
can
extrapolate
and
I
don't
know
where
I
got
the
word
scrapulated,
because
I'm
a
Cuban.
I
But
when
you
look
at
the
word
extrapolate
and
you
take
it
out
of
the
solid
waste
division
you
can
tell
by
the
accounting
operation
what
it
generates
and
what
it
costs
to
generate.
In
other
words,
all
the
employees,
all
the
benefits,
and
when
you
put
that
number
aside
and
you
compare
it
where
I'm
not
going-
is
to
release
it
to
another
company,
so
they
can
make
millions
on
the
taxpayers
back
I'm
not
going
to
go.
For
that.
Tell
you
right
now!
I
I
Those
other
needs
you
had
to
find
in
the
city
and
the
needs
are
going
to
get
tighter
after
2026.,
when
you
don't
have
the
CIT
tax
that
you
gave
Millions
away
to
a
certain
entity
and
I'm
not
going
to
mention
the
entity
or
every
time
there's
an
event
there.
It
costs
you
250
000
and
nobody
gives
it
down,
because
it's
a
glamorous
thing
well,
this
is
not
glamorous,
but
it's
more
important
than
anything
we're
going
to
do
to
make
the
city
whole
you're,
ready
to
practice
the
projects
and
the
pipes.
I
In
fact,
although
I've
heard
that
we
don't
have
this,
that
and
the
other
I
saw
something
on
TV,
where
I
think
the
Tampa
was
ranked
top
three
or
four
in
relocation
of
tech
companies
and
I'm,
going
to
verify
that
because
I
don't
want
to
say
something,
that's
not
factual,
but
these
are
the
things
that
I
see
and
need
that
if
you
take
care
of
yourself,
you
take
care
of
the
city,
in
other
words,
you're
a
homeowner.
You
do
well,
the
city
does
well
without
homeowners
and
without
participation
of
citizens.
I
I
I
I
It's
like
a
CRA,
but
it's
this
year
called
development
rights
and
that
development
right
from
that
cost
of
a
dollar
for
the
next
30
Years
is
all
theirs.
So
they
tell
you
they're
going
to
pay
for
half
the
project.
They
are
with
your
money,
they're
going
to
pay
and
you
pay
the
other
half
they
come
up
with
this
zero.
I
We
need
to
understand
what
the
city's
department
needs
and
after
2026
there
is
no
more
CIT
tax
and
that's
been
used
mainly
for
replacement
of
equipment,
small
equipment,
automobiles
trucks
and
things
of
that
nature,
fire
engines
and
so
forth,
so
we're
caught
and
what
we
have
to
do
and
we
have
to
face
it.
Just
like
we
Face
everything
else.
You
have
to
take
care
of
what
you
have.
I
C
D
D
To
the
naked
eye,
you
get
a
clear
understanding
where
you
gotta
go.
I
went
out
there
able
to
sit
in
a
little
mechanical
Street.
There
operate
everything,
Mr
Ray,
even
if
you
did
it
or
not,
but
I
saw
the
garbage.
I
looked
at
the
area.
Looked
at
a
lot
of
the
equipment.
That's
is
these
replacement
when
the
Public's?
Actually
it's
a
nice
video
here,
but
you
probably
want
you
you're
saying
you
want
money,
but
the
public
sees
this
stuff
up
front
close
and
see
this
rusted
stuff
in
there.
D
D
If
I
own
asset
I
could
make
money
off
my
asset.
Why,
in
the
world
we
even
dealing
with
other
people
I'll
be
making
money
which
we
do
in
the
city
all
the
time?
Let
somebody
else
make
the
money
and
then
you
wonder
why
we
don't
have
money
for
housing
and
our
general
fund
accounts.
Different
accounts,
I
I,
just
say:
I.
Think
you
just
need
to
give
all
the
facts
of
what
it's
going
to
be
for
10
years,
20
or
30
years.
D
D
We
have
to
have
a
place
to
bring
the
government's
birthday
I'm,
not
even
going
to
stop
trash
I,
don't
know
what
what
kind
of
player
you
have?
Maybe
it's
a
secret
but
I
don't
know,
but
when
I
went
out
there
and
saw
the
multitude
of
garbage
out
there
and
the
multitude
of
people
every
day
it
could
be
with
garbage.
You
know,
imagine
the
garbage
wouldn't
be
there.
For
a
week,
Miss
Miranda,
Holy
Spirit
everybody
be
calling
like
crazy.
That's
a
necessity.
D
Folks
I
just
say
just
give
all
the
facts
give
them
what
we
asked
and
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
get.
What
you
need
and
the
public
can
be
aware
and
I
can
justify
to
the
person
we
have
to
have
an
increase
because
that's
a
need.
We
have
to
have
think
about
that's
what
we
have
to
have
I'm
a
support,
but
again
just
bring
all
the
facts.
We
can
explain
it
to
the
public,
but
as
long
as
you
have
the
facts
to
support
it,
I've
seen
it
visually
that
plays.
If
something
happens,
we
got
a
problem.
AG
N
Yeah
this
is
this:
is
an
issue
about
transparency
and
showing
the
public
that
we're
being
good
stewards
of
their
money
and
council
member
Miranda
brought
up
a
great
analogy
that
I'll
steal
talking
about
used
cars
or
lease
cars
and
I,
don't
know
if
this
will
be
good
analogy
or
not.
But
let's,
let's
imagine
that
you
go
to
a
used
car
dealer
and
you
see
a
car
and
you
ask
the
the
the
dealer.
N
You've
got
another
twenty
thirty
thousand
dollars
on
this
piece
and
forty
thousand
on
this,
and
it's
going
to
cost
you
all
this
and
here's
the
schedule
maintenance
you're
going
to
have
to
do
over
time.
That's
what
that's!
What
people
are
being
good
fiscal
stewards
do
so
that
they,
so
they
know
what
it
is.
In
this
case
we
took
over
a
facility
that
was
run
by
somebody
else.
The
staff
said
that
it
they
didn't
think
it
was
being
run
very
well.
N
We
all
agreed
I
I,
think
I
voted
for
that
we
agreed
to
a
couple
years
ago
to
take
it
over
I
think
we
were
all
excited
about
that
when
the
staff
came
back,
they
said
265
million
for
the
for
the
turbine
in
this
first
phase
and
I
asked
basic
questions.
Well,
what
is
it
going
to
cost
after
that?
I?
Don't
know
when
you
and
I
asked
the
question.
Look
at
the
video
I
asked
the
question
when
we,
when
you
bought
it,
did
you
do
due
diligence?
N
Did
you
get
the
mechanic
to
go
in
and
look
under
the
hood
and
see
what
was
wrong?
I
don't
know.
Did
you
determine
when
you
bought
it
two
years
ago,
how
much
it
was
going
to
cost
to
fix
it?
I
don't
know,
and
so
my
concern
was.
How
are
we?
How
are
we
being
good
stewards
of
the
of
the
Public's
money?
It's
not
about
all
the
stuff.
N
That's
in
the
video
are
we
being
good
custodians
of
the
Public's
money
and
we
need
to
set
expectations
about
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future
and
if
it's
going
to
be
5
billion
dollars,
I
don't
know
the
number.
If
it's
going
to
be
5
billion
dollars,
let's
not
be
scared
of
the
numbers,
let's
just
get
it
out
there
for
the
public
and
if
we
don't
know
with
a
hundred
percent
certainty,
then
say
it's
50
certainty
or
something
so
we
can
set
expectations.
But
my
request
and
I
made
a
motion.
AA
AG
Councilman
we're
not
here
to
provoke.
Today
we
have
a
17
million
dollar
contract
already
in
place
that
we're
working
on
when
we
decided
to
look
at
taking
over
this
facility,
we
had
a
company
called
arcadas,
did
extensive
work
with
us
to
do
that,
anticipated
expenditure,
planning,
Revenue
comparisons
and
so
forth.
We
have
all
that
documentation
that
led
us
to
the
decision
four
years
ago
to
cons,
continue
to
be
committed
to
this
plant
and
make
the
appropriate
upgrades.
Our
industry
standard
does
not
call
for
a
30-year
Revenue
equipment
level
detailed
plan.
AG
Our
industry
standard
is
for
a
five-year
CIP
and
a
10-year
projection.
We
cannot
anticipate
in
30
years
of
Technology
the
cost,
the
world
dynamics.
That
is
just
not
reasonable
to
have
that
that
far
of
a
projection
we
stand
on
the
policies
we
stand
on
the
planning
we
stand
on
the
research
and
the
data
that
has
led
us
to
this
point.
We
attempted
to
share
that
framework
and
those
policies
today
per
the
motion.
AG
AG
So
we
are
at
a
good
place
with
this
plant
with
the
planning
we
have
all
of
the
internal
staff,
looking
at
it
from
different
angles:
Finance
sustainability,
resiliency,
engineering,
everything
and
I
think
the
public
will
be
pleased
to
see
the
continued
good
service
that
we're
providing
the
good
return
on
investment
and
the
good
environmental
environmental
benefits
that
come
out
of
this
plant.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
make
those
comments.
C
N
I
mean
I
can
ask
questions
all
day,
but
there
was
a
number
that
was
presented
to
us
for
five
years
and
then
you
said
there's
ten
years,
but
the
whole
purpose
of
this
is
to
let
the
public
know
the
information
and,
as
my
colleague,
council
member
good
said,
we.
Why
can't?
We
just
tell
the
public
that
information
and
so
I
would
ask
again
make
a
motion
to
continue
this
to
January.
26Th
and
I'll
have
conversations
as
many
conversations
as
staff.
AG
The
Five-Year
CIP
is
out
there
for
the
public.
That's
the
known
cost
today
with
those
assets
that
need
to
be
upgraded
beyond.
That
is
projections
of
anticipation,
which
is
which
is
more
fluid,
but
just
like
every
other
agency,
every
other
department
to
snapshot
in
time,
which
is
what
this
is
today,
is
that
information
which
is
mid-may
public
through
public
hearings
and
the
council
approval
of
the
but.
N
Why
won't
you
say
the
number?
That's
what
we're
and
we
can
continue
or
we
can
we
can.
Can
we
can
continue
this
or
we
can
I
just
don't
understand.
The
public
just
wants
to
know
the
numbers,
but
I
would
rather
just
continue
this
and
we
can
talk
about
this
privately.
Okay,
let's.
X
D
N
Sir
I
I
just
put
it
that
way
so
that
we
wouldn't
build
up
the
agendas.
There's
no
Workshop
in
December
I'm
happy
to
get
to
do
a
staff
report,
and
they
they
request
simply
is
tell
us
if,
if
you
want,
if
I
disagree
about
the
30-year
thing,
but
if
you
want
it
whatever
it
is,
tell
us
you,
you
presented
like
five
things
in
the
video
that
need
to
be
done.
I,
don't
think
all
five
things
are
under
the
under
the
money
that
we
approve
before.
N
So
we
just
need
to
know
what
needs
to
be
done
over
what
amount
of
time
there's
there's
some
basic
maintenance
and
some
lifespan
of
different
big
pieces,
and
if
we
just
know
that,
as
far
out
as
we
can
say
and
just
be
transparent
with
the
public
about
what
it,
what
it's
going
to
cost
and
what
the
plan
is
and
not
to
not
I'm,
not
building
up
a
case
to
argue
against
it.
I
just
want
to
make
the
this
transparent
to
the
public.
There's.
AG
I
Miranda,
please
can
you
explain
it
and
we
put
it
out
to
the
I
want
to
satisfy
everyone?
Can
we
put
it
somewhere
like
tonight
or
tomorrow
morning,
put
it
on
your
website
whatever
it
is
and
explain
that
maybe
you
got
to
put
a
couple
of
words
in
there
explaining
exactly
what
you're
doing,
how
you're
thinking?
Okay,
what
the
total
cost?
Here's
the
disability
costs
for
five
years
after
that
you
don't
know,
what's
going
to
cost,
because
inflation
keeps
going
up,
something
that
costs
a
dollar
May
cost
two
dollars
in
another
two
weeks
worldwide.
I
But
these
are
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
I
I.
Think
if
I
remember
and
when
I
went
to
visit
that
place
the
facility
it's
going
to
be
down
for
quite
some
time,
but
though
everything
that's
got
to
be
done,
am
I,
correct
or
not
yes,
sir,
and
is
that
going
to
satisfy
the
needs
of
it
totally
or
just
for
five
years.
AG
N
C
C
L
Thank
you
very
much,
sir
appreciate
that
I
have
a
question
and
and
I
again.
If,
if
a
council
member
has
a
report
whatever
they
want
to,
have
it
continued
I
think
there's
always
a
presumption
that
you
want
to
agree
with
that
because
it's
right
of
Etc.
My
question,
though,
is:
is
there
anybody
here
who
came
in
from
out
of
town
to
speak
today.
F
AG
Left
I
didn't
see
you
so
yes,
this
gentleman
on
his
wife's
birthday,
if
I
might
add,
is
here
in
support
along
with
many
other
team
members,
we've
got
a
lot
of
experts
on
this
project
from
starting
four
years
ago.
So
again
we
feel
really
confident
of
what
we're
what
we've
already
gotten
approved,
and
what
we're
planning
to
do
to
improve
this
facility.
D
As
for
a
friend
of
amendment,
if,
if
Miss
Duncan
could
get
the
information
that
Mr
Carlson
is
looking
for
all
of
us
looking
of
5
10,
what
is
it?
What
is
it
going
to
call?
We
know
you,
you
got
a
shutdown.
What
is
it
going
to
cost
Mr
Hero
to
say
what
is
this
project?
In
the
end?
It's
going
to
cause.
I
know
inflation
goes,
but
we
can
get
a
general
kind
of
cause.
If
we
know
we
got
to
replace
this,
replace
that
I've
been
out
there,
you
got
to
replace
a
lot
of
stuff.
AA
N
Not
just
to
email
it
to
us
or
put
on
a
website
to
present
it
to
the
public,
and
so
that's
why
I
picked
a
workshop.
If
you
all
can
present
it
in
a
staff
report,
sooner
I'm,
okay,
if
it's
10,
slides
or
20
slides,
but
instead
of
you
know,
answering
all
the
other
questions
it.
It's
answering
a
specific
question
about.
What
do
you
need
to
do?
I
think
it
I've
studied
project
management
worked
on
a
lot
of
projects,
and
most
of
them
are
at
least
20
years
and
mostly
30
years.
D
AG
I
understand
what
the
request
is,
so
we
do
have
a
five-year
CIP
that
lists
specific
assets
with
specific
costs
already
out
in
the
public
Realm
beyond
that,
if
you're
wanting
some
different
version
of
that
with
a
listing
of
the
assets
and
the
costs,
we
can
put
it
in
some
kind
of
different
format,
but
I'm
I
apologize,
I'm
struggling
to
find
out
what
is
it
that
we're
not
answering
we're
making
a
sincere
effort
to
answer
your
questions,
I
think.
D
It's
the
best
we
can.
What
he's
asking
and
what
council's
asking
to
we
know
we
have
an
issue
out
there
at
the
plan.
We're
saying
you
know
you
got
to
do
an
incinerating
when
I
looked
at
some
other
stuff.
You
know
you
may
replace
that
we're
saying
what
do
you?
What
do
you
have
to
replace
over
a
time
span
and
what
will
that
be
a
general
cause
for
the
whole
plant
to
be
refurbished
or
redone,
so.
N
To
modify
the
motion
based
on
what
they
just
said
to
have
to
have
staff
come
back
and
show
us
the
the
items
that
need
to
be
replaced
over
what
time
and
how
much
they're
going
to
cost
in
a
format
that
can
be
presented
to
the
public.
So
the
public
understands
the
long-term
implications
of
this
not
to
justify
it,
but
just
explain
in
a
transparent
way
to
the
public
when
you're
and
at
a
date
that
you're
ready
sometime.
C
Before
January
to
justify
it
that
Miss
Duncan
blasting
it
out
on
social
media
blasting
it
out
on
our
feet,
blasting
it
out
and
making
sure
that
the
public
gets
every
form
of
information.
If
we're
not
justifying
it,
then
why
are
we
postponing
this
yeah
I?
Could
I
could
I
could
see
it?
No!
No.
We
need
to
have
everybody
in
the
city
of
Tampa
see
this
before
we
make
a
decision,
you're
saying
it's
not
justified,
but
we're
going
on.
We
have
a
motion.
It
was
made
by
councilman
Carlson,
amended
by
councilwoman.
C
H
AG
AG
C
You
asking
for
the
through
the
yes:
are
you
asking
for
the
wow
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
have
cycle
discussions?
Great?
Let's
have
let's
hear
from
the
expert.
M
M
I'm
really
hungry
can
we
like
have
a
Time
certain
of
like
10,
more
minutes.
C
F
F
F
H
C
C
V
Thank
you
chair.
Let
me
just
say:
Joe
Robinson,
the
resident
expert,
even
older
man,
out
of
Tallahassee,
haven't
been
working
on
this
plant
since
1998
shoot
the
stack.
The
first
80
million
I
know
all
about
it.
The
analogy
of
the
car
is
what
you
got.
These
numbers
are
already
there
when
y'all
come
back.
These
numbers
are
already
there.
V
We
know
that
17
million
unapproved
this
project
could
go
to
60
million
by
the
time.
It's
done.
If
you
wait
too
late,
you
ain't
it's
going
to
be
astronomical,
because
if
you
lose
that
turbine,
you
lose
that
gen
that
the
Transformer
this
is
all
moving.
Yes,
sir
you're
in
blackout,
it's
called
a
force
outage
now
ain't.
Nobody
asks
me
nothing,
but
I'm
volunteering,
this
Solid
Waste,
is
an
Enterprise
firm.
V
The
265
mid
is
not
what
it
takes
to
do
this
plan,
that
is
the
35
million
for
the
transfer
station,
that
is,
to
move
the
people
out
of
Carver
City
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
stuff.
They
do
in
the
sideways.
I
saw
that
as
a
public
I
am
the
public.
I
saw
that
already
three
four
weeks
ago
all
broke
down
had
that
200,
something
million
is
all
broke
out.
It
ain't
this
project,
it's
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
Solid
Waste
doing
ain't
even
got
nothing
to
do
with
this
plant.
V
They
make
that
go
up
to
that
200
something
million.
If
that
now
I'ma
just
say
this,
this
is
a
complex
solution,
a
complex
problem.
You
have
wheel
of
Brady
that
that
deferred
maintenance,
which
means
no
maintenance
and
that
ran
in
the
ground.
You
got
the
city
of
Tampa
going
and
they
want
to
operate
it.
You
ain't
even
paying
the
people
enough
money.
Then
it
get
HR
to
pay
the
operators
enough
money,
you're
not
going
to
get
quality
people
to
run
that
plan
once
you
get
it
working
like
it
ought
to
be
getting
people
raised
ain't.
V
Nobody
gonna
come
work
for
that.
If
they
got
a
backup
plan,
if
it
fails,
they
fail
right
now
they
know
what
to
do.
Wait.
A
minute
you
talking
about
a
thousand
times
a
day.
What
about
all
that
debris
we
got
laying
around
over
in
West
Tampa
at
Rome
yard.
What
about
all
that
debris
right
here
when
the
hurricane
hit
the
great
stuff
to
burn
in
that
white,
because
it's
clean,
listen
to
me,
I've
been
dealing
with
this
a
mechanical
engineer.
The
only
PE
in
this
room
that
worked
on
this
project.
I
think
I.
V
Think
there's
another
PE
mechanical
in
here
see
they
don't
even
have
one
on
staff
I'm
doing
this
free,
but
I'm
hungry
like
you,
because
I
was
gonna,
stay
for
this
and
then
I
won't
be
back
and
I
had
enough.
I,
don't
documented
enough,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
I
agree
with
Charlie.
Charlie
is
right
on
this
one.
You
somewhat
keeping
it
going
Mr
Carson,
but
they
got
what
you
want.
V
I
don't
see
every
document
it
is
and
they're
gonna
lay
it
on
the
table
and
they're
gonna
break
it
out,
but
it's
time
to
make
it
real,
transparent
and
Charlie
told
you
it's
like
a
car.
You
have
to
do
maintenance,
but
it
will
fail
if
this
turbine
generator
said
fail.
This
is
a
moot
point.
You're
probably
gonna
need
another
100
million
to
get
it
all
the
Deferred
trash
or
the
Deferred
locations.
You
better
get
those
contracts
in
place.
Okay,
you
need
to
get
a
backup
plan
and
I'm
gonna.