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D
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon,
chair
and
council
vic
b
day,
director
of
the
mobility
department
here
to
address
item
4.
I
believe
we
put
slides
in
already.
We
can
bring
up
the
slides.
D
Item
4
is
related
to
a
motion
made
by
councilman
seadro
seconded
by
councilman
carlson
regarding
parking
requirements
in
downtown
and
other
areas.
This
item
was
continued
from
february
17
and
being
brought
up
right
now
now
I'll
be
happy
to
share
my
screen
if
needed
as
well.
If
the
slides
aren't
built.
D
E
I'm
sorry
I
might
have
been.
I
don't
know
whether
I
heard
this,
but
if
I
believe
councilman
carl
carlson
is
back
on
live.
Oh.
B
D
Thank
you
so
again,
this
presentation
is
about
parking
requirements,
parking
policy
and
it's
really
timely
as
we
grow
rapidly.
As
we're
all
aware,
over
the
next
20
years,
tampa
is
going
to
see
an
additional
258
000
jobs
of
which
only
20
percent
will
be
occupied
by
campaigns.
So
what
we
do
with
parking
and
how
we
accommodate
all
of
these
jobs
is
going
to
be
critical.
E
D
Advisory
committee
was
parking,
was
discussed
quite
a
bit
under
transportation,
as
well
as
development,
we'll
look
at
current
state
of
some
of
our
policies
and
what's
impacting
both
land
use,
as
well
as
mobility,
best
practices.
We'll
take
a
look
at
that
we'll
review
what
we're
considering
as
part
of
the
downtown
parking
master
plan.
We've
allocated
resources
in
the
fy23
budget
to
partner
with
planning
on
moving
that
forward
and
then
finally,
what
that
comprehensive
approach
would
look
like.
D
So,
as
you
all
are
aware,
as
part
of
the
t3
are
transforming
campus
tomorrow,
which
is
our
strategy,
the
mayor
convened
several
committees.
One
of
them
was
the
transportation
committee
which
highlighted
that
as
a
priority,
and
there
were
specific
items
that
came
out
of
it
relative
to
looking
at
the
land,
development
code
and
land
use
related
to
mobility
and
parking
and
updating
the
same
modernizing
parking.
D
That
was
a
major
theme
as
well,
certainly
and
right-sizing
parking
policies
right
sizing
relative
to
parking
facilities
on
street
versus
loft
street,
and
we
went
through
this
a
couple
of
years
back.
But
you
really
want
on
street
rates
to
be
a
little
different
than
off
street
and
you
want
more
people
parking
off
street,
especially
if
they're
going
to
be
there
for
more
than
an
hour
or
two.
D
So
all
of
these
were
considered
as
far
as
parking
and
land
use
is
concerned,
a
quick
review
of
a
history
of
on-site
parking
waivers
and
how
they
impact
our
day-to-day
business.
D
As
you
can
see
through
the
last
three
years,
there
have
been
several
projects
that
come
in
for
some
sort
of
approval
to
provide
relief
from
parking
requirements,
and
many
of
these
are
approved
as
well.
That
is
kind
of
an
indicator
that
we
need
to
change
something
about
our
parking
requirements
and
we're
going
to
look
at
what
some
of
those
things
are.
Others.
E
D
Be
included
as
part
of
the
broader
planning
effort,
so
one
is
on-site
parking
requirements,
and
I
know
that
there
was
a
privately
initiated
amendment
that
is
in
the
works
currently,
and
this
is
related
to
that.
So
I
won't
deliver
the
point
other
than
saying
that
for
similar
facilities
we
may
end
up
with
more
parking
by
policy
and
buy
code
than
we
want
and
that
will
have
impacts
to
sustainability
and
resilience,
as
you
can
see
in
this
picture,
with
a
lesser
pervious
surface
and
more
impervious
surface
which
perpetuates
our
storm
water
concerns
as
well.
D
I
really
stephen
touched
upon
this
in
one
of
his
presentations
a
couple
of
weeks
back,
and
this
really
shows
that
for
the
same
space
occupied
for
living,
if
the
design
is
slightly
different,
our
requirements
for
parking,
also
change
and-
and
we
do
need
to
fix
some
of
these
issues
as
well-
also
related
to
the
privately
initiated
amendment.
So
I
won't
comment
further
on
that.
D
Furthermore,
while
our
base
requirements
are
similar
to
many
other
cities
of
our
size,
like
the
city
of
orlando,
what
other
cities
do
well
with
parking
on-site
requirements?
Is
make
exceptions
or
make
it
easier
for
certain
types
of
development?
Now
our
code
also
allows
for
certain
types
of
development
in
that
manner,
but
not
so
much
on
on-site
parking
requirements.
D
Some
examples
are
affordable
housing
where,
by
definition,
we
may
need
lesser
parking,
proximity
to
transit
and
we're
working
with
hard
on
transit,
oriented
development
because
for
our
region
in
order
to
accommodate
all
of
our
mobility
needs
for
the
city,
our
primary
strategy
is
going
to
be
transit
and
walk
by
going
forward.
It
does
not
come
at
the
cost
of
car
infrastructure.
D
Necessarily
what
we're
saying
is
we're
going
to
have
more
intensity
on
the
former
on-street
parking,
certainly,
and
looking
at
you
know
how
we
can
manage
our
curbs,
better
part
one
strategies
and
we're
we'll
touch
upon
that
with
the
streetcar
and
how
that
will
play
a
pretty
big
role
in
this
parking
requirements
as
well,
and
then
driveways
and
voluntary
parking
issues.
D
So
a
quick
example,
I
guess
of
comparing
parking
and
how
that
could
either
make
a
place
more
or
less
productive,
productive
being
defined
by
access
and
taxable
revenue
per
acre,
both
of
which
are
indicators
of
more
activity
and
more
equity
as
well.
So
the
the
image
on
the
screen
on
the
top
left
is
from
north
boulevard
and
platt
street
the
northeast
corner
there.
D
A
D
Supports
many
businesses,
the
small
structure
supports
multiple
businesses,
it's
very
pedestrian
and
transit,
oriented,
there's
transit
both
on
cleveland
and
platte,
which
is
the
one-way
pair
out
there.
There
are
bike
lanes
there
as
well,
which
we
will
continue
to
enhance
and
the
taxable
revenue
or
taxable
value
per
or
is
about
two
and
a
half
million.
D
So
compare
that
to
relatively
speaking,
a
less
productive
and
because
of
the
amount
of
parking
it
takes,
maybe
less
sustainable
as
well
definitely
lesser
accessible
because
it
creates
a
super
block.
This
is
an
example
of
a
parcel
near
dale,
neighboring
275,
it's
a
big
box
store.
D
This
is
currently
over
parked
and
that's
not
unusual
meaning
property
owners
may
elect
to
or
may
want
to
have
more
parking
spaces
than
the
code
requires.
D
That,
of
course,
creates
more
impervious
surfaces
and
we
do
need
to
examine
the
policy
around
that,
but
taxable
value
is
lesser
when
it
this
takes
up
much
more
space
and
much
more
amenities,
energy,
and
all
of
that,
so
that's
something
to
consider.
That
is
what
we
would
look
at
as
well.
When
we
look
at
it
comprehensively,
how
can
we
create
more
productive
spaces
that
are
more.
D
While
keeping
the
tenants
of
economic
development
and
the
thriving
economy
that
we're
fortunate
to
have
going
so
some
trends
in
parking
management,
certainly
we've
touched
upon
this
electrification
automation,
one
thing
to
consider
with
electrification
automation,
the
complete
acronym
is
aces
or
case,
which
basically
means
automation,
connected
electric
and
shared
and
there's
a
lot
of
investment
in
the
first
three
automation,
connectivity
and
electric,
and
we
have
projects
in
each
of
these
areas.
The
last
bit
that
addresses
congestion,
as
we
wrote
shared,
has
still
not
completely
come
to
fruition.
D
There
are
still
limited
options
and
hence
our
focus
on
lower
cost,
but
transit
and
walk
by
type
networks.
Curb
management,
as
I
mentioned,
is
a
major
trend
and
you'll
see
us
doing
the
same.
You'll
see
more
and
more
on
street
spaces
being
used
differently
in
time
and
space,
so
they
may
be
used
for
activation
like
through
the
pandemic.
We
did
a
partly
programs,
you'll
see
them
used
for
staging
in
certain
cases
as
on
street
parking
spaces
as
well
and
also
flex
spaces.
D
Where
we
could,
you
know,
mix
different
uses
for
these
spaces
and
you'll
see
those
in
downtown
tampa
over
the
next
year
or
so,
especially
around
the
water
street
area
mobility
hubs.
The
intermodal
center
study
that
fdata
is
working
on
is
an
example
of
this,
but
there
are
other
concepts
as
well
that
aggregate
different
modes
of
travel
physically
and
virtually
we're
working
on
mobility
as
a
service
that
aggregates
these
modes
onto
a
single
platform.
So
it's
easy
to
plan
pay
and
ride,
basically,
which
also
gets
us.
D
The
frictionless
access
to
some
of
the
parking
facilities
and
integration
parking
is
one
component
of
the
overall
mobility
system,
of
course,
and
so
that's
where
we
we
draw
rational
or
natural
connections
between
the
different
areas,
especially
when
we
look
at
curve
management
demand
management,
those
type
of
things
and,
of
course
we
keep
an
eye
continuously
on
more
disruptive
trends
like
servitization,
meaning
at
some
point
with
autonomous
vehicles
there.
There
really
is
it's
not.
D
You
know
it's
further
out,
certainly,
but
at
some
point
we
may
go
from
a
vehicle
ownership
model
to
a
more
service
oriented
model.
We
see
this
with
first,
my
last
mile
bike
share
scooters
already.
We
may
start
seeing
this
as
as
for
higher
services
and
their
format
kind
of
changes
into
our
daily
lives.
This
is
by
no
means
definite,
but
it's
something
we're
monitoring,
but
here's
the
typical
conundrum.
D
They
all
kind
of
come
to
a
stop
when
you
consider
parking
and
how
much
space
we
dedicate
to
parking
in
our
state
in
our
places
and
how
that
impacts,
people's
choices
of
how
they
travel
around
the
city.
So
that
is
where
parking
fits.
It
fits
in
the
broader
conversation
of
our
economic
development
of
our
housing
and
our
transit
considerations,
and
that's
why
we're
working
with
our
planning
team
and
that's?
D
Why
we're
working
with
nicole's
group
to
to
really
look
at
our
jobs
and
urban
poor
and
understand
what
sort
of
density,
what
sort
of
transportation
system
and
hence
what
sort
of
policies
we
need
to
effect
in
combination
or
in
conjunction
with
the
planning,
commission
and
others
to
really
get
bring
this
all
together?
D
D
The
other
thing
that
the
streetcar
line
does.
Is
it
aggregates
different
parking
venues,
while
this
may
have
been
a
consideration
from
just
special
events
and
those
type
of
things
in
the
past
today,
with
the
growth
that
we're
seeing
both
in
residence
and
the
number
of
jobs
in
our
downtown
area,
and
not
just
downtown,
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
this
picture,
we're
talking
about
ebor,
where
projects
like
gas
works
are
planned
or
even
tampa
heights,
which
is
really
the
gateway.
D
Now,
to
a
lot
of
our
streetcar
suburbs,
north
of
the
interstate,
a
streetcar
system,
especially
an
expanded
streetcar
system,
will
be
able
to
aggregate
all
of
our
parking
resources
and
allow
for
parking
requirements
to
change
which
opens
the
door
for
a
different
type
of
mobility
system.
D
So
this
is
really
critical
and
I
hope
we
all
support
the
streetcar
extension
for
that,
because
this
is
just
one
of
the
reasons
we
need
to
support
that
another
reason
is
most
of
our
transit
facilities
terminate
at
job
centers,
and
so
what
we
do
from
a
mobility
policy
standpoint.
A
land
use
policy
standpoint
in
our
job
center
sends
the
signal
to
travelers
on
what
choice
they
make
and
the
most
sustainable
way
to
grow
forward.
Out
of
all
of
this
is
going
to
be
a
combination.
D
All
of
the
above
approach,
like
we
mentioned
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
would
look
to
do
in
terms
of
parking
requirements
broadly,
would
be
to
unbundle
parking
from
development
and
encourage
transit
and
housing
being
bundled
together,
so
transit
oriented
development,
housing
and
transit
together
towards
this
vision.
D
This
will
be
with
a
range
of
other
complementary
measures
as
well:
storm
water
manuals,
parking
codes,
the
transportation,
technical
manual,
housing
policies,
zoning
all
of
these
would
be
considered
at
the
same
time.
D
So
these
are
some
of
the
policies
that
we
would
look
at
certainly
vision.
Zero
fits
very
well
into
it
because
it
accommodates
the
pipette
access.
It
accommodates
things
like
aging
in
place.
It
accommodates
things
like
walkability
to
schools
and
better
property
values
as
well,
sustainability,
pod
and
then
creative
uses
like
the
picture
on
the
right
where
in
evanston,
one
of
the
parking
spaces
can
convert
or
one
of
the
parking
garages
are
the
space
that
converts
into
classrooms
for
multiple
uses.
D
Some
other
elements
of
the
master
plan
would
be
to
look
at
parking
operations.
How
these
policies
then
complement
each
other
so,
for
example,
starting
fy
23
we're
proposing
that
one
part
of
parking
revenues
fund
streetcar
operations
because
there's
a
rational
nexus.
The
streetcar
aggregates
different
parking
spaces
allows
for
the
dynamism
within
our
urban
core
without
the
need
for
additional
garages
and
lots.
D
We
test
upon
the
text
amendment
in
terms
of
our
city-wide
parking
plan,
as
I
mentioned
in
fy
23,
we've
allocated
additional
revenues
towards
the
parking
plan.
So
now
we'll
have
a
total
of
350
000.
D
And,
as
with
everything
else
that
we
plan
on,
we
start
by
listening
so
we'll
listen
to
different
communities,
understand
their.
A
D
D
So
that's
the
gist
of
my
presentation,
I'd
just
like
to
recap,
with
some
of
the
recommendations
and
the
status
and
the
same
strategic
vision
for
urban
parking
management,
that's
our
parking
master
plan,
best
practices
and
parking.
We've
already
done
some
with
the
rates
and
the
tech
upgrades
and
all
of
that
and
corp
management
as
well.
D
Introducing
bike
parking
in
every
single
city
garage
in
the
downtown
and
ebor
as
well
and
mobility
is
a
service
which
will
be
kicking
off
in
a
few
months
and
we'd
be
happy
to
present
the
same
to
council
and
then
finally
parking
requirements,
which
is
the
the
purpose
of
this
presentation
and
how
it
all
fits
together.
D
B
You
vic
we're
really
glad
that
that
we
have
you
here
with
us.
That
was
a
very
robust
presentation.
I
mean
you
really
cover
all
the
bases
and
I
appreciate
all
your
hard
work
and
your
and
your
team.
I
know
this
item
was
brought
forth
by
councilman
sitro.
Do
you
have
anything,
sir?
Oh.
G
As
always,
praise
praise
my
friend
vic
b
day
for
being
the
transportation
guru
in
the
city
of
tampa
vic.
I
brought
this
up
because
we
now
have
the
future
plan
for
the
streetcar
extension
and
if
we
are
going
to
have
more
affordable
housing,
more
workforce
housing
developers
are
looking
at
not
having
to
put
in
so
many
parking
spaces
so
that
the
clientele
that
either
rents
an
apartment
or
buys
condo
will
be
more
prone
to
use
that
streetcar
and
our
our
our
development.
G
So
thank
thank
you
for
adding
some
of
the
statements
that
you
put
in,
and
this
is
something
I
would
like
to
see
two
or
three
blocks
either
side
of
the
streetcar
happen.
I
look
at
our
parking
downtown
in
three
different
ways:
commuter
parking,
which
is
people
that
come
into
downtown,
to
do
some
events,
whether
it
be
at
our
convention
center,
emily
arena,
distress
or
something
residential
parking
and
business
office
parking
the
glue.
G
Excuse
me
two
blocks
to
catch
it
and
then
they
can
go
to
where
they
really
want
to
from
a
parking
space
that
is
six
or
seven
blocks
away.
So
vic,
I'm
keeping
all
of
these
in
mind.
I
hope
you
keep
all
of
these
in
mind.
Next
time
we
hear.
Maybe
we
can
have
some
solid
plans
on
on
our
parking.
Thank
you
for
looking
at
other
parts
of
the
areas,
but
my
main
concern
was
in
downtown
and
I
would
also
like
to
publicly
thank
miss
karen
kress,
who
I've
also
worked
with
on
livable
roadways.
G
F
You,
mr
chairman,
back
along
those
same
lines
and
what
councilman
central
was
talking
about.
I
always
look
at
a
plan
and
then
I
look
at
a
plan
what,
if
what
if
it
doesn't
work-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
plan
comes
to
that,
but
when
you
look
at
revenues
we
haven't
discussed
anything
about
revenues.
F
D
So
some
of
those
agreements
from
the
past
are
in
effect
and
the
most
critical
ones
will
come
up
for
consideration
in
2027
others
a
little
bit
later,
but
the
key
part-
and
I'm
glad
you
mentioned-
that
is
right.
Pricing
and
getting
the
policy
right
on
parking
is
really
critical
to
this,
and
we
will
certainly
keep
that
in
mind
when
it
comes
up.
D
Another
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
on
that
to
just
reassure
the
community
is
the
circumstances
under
which
past
decisions
might
have
been
made
were
for
a
downtown
and
a
city
that
we
are
not
today.
We
are
sought
after
by
the
world,
people
are
moving
here.
People
are
investing
here,
and
so
we
don't
have
the
problems
that
we
had
in
the
past.
I
would
say
we
have
good
problems
today,
so
the
outlook
moving
forward
is
actually
positive.
F
Yeah
but
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
flow
of
income
to
the
parking
division
that
I
I
don't
see
anything
with
that.
That's
and
I
know
this
is
a
a
plan,
not
a
recommendation
of
any
sort
regarding
monies,
but
I
would
like
to
see
your
department
or
the
planning
department
and
the
parking
come
up
with
their
plan
to
see
what
the
parking
is
going
to
be.
F
If
you
know
parking
is
expensive
here
when
you
look
at
the
overall
income
and
I've
been
to
cities
where
parking
is
like
eight
dollars
an
hour,
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
see
that
here
so
I
know
there's
in
2027
a
lot
of
things
come
to
mind.
The
cit
tax
is
gone.
Maybe
this
event
that
I
just
talked
about
is
gone
and
I
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
but
if
we're
not
going
to
take
over
our
own
parking
streets,
then
the
plan
may
have
a
big
hole
in
it
because
we
don't
control
our
streets.
F
H
Well,
mr
renner,
I
knew
my
voice
a
little
bad.
Last
few
days,
mr
randy
hit
on
key
points,
revenue.
H
H
H
H
I'm
hoping
you
could
bring
those
numbers
back
to
give
some
kind
of
idea.
I
just
had
a
meeting
with
steve
bennett
last
week
and
I
talked
about
transportation.
H
H
The
south
is
still
car
a
car
driven
place.
We
haven't
got.
You
know,
I
tell
you
when
I
I've
been
to
new
york
one
time
mr
miranda
and
I
took
a
whole
bunch
of
kids.
You
know
I
love
kids
took
a
whole
bunch
of
ball
players
to
new
york.
I
met
up
my
central
florida
ball
clubs
and
we
went
to
new
york
and
went
to
new
jersey.
H
H
H
I
J
Yeah
just
to
thank
you
just
to
follow
on
that
a
bit.
You
know,
I
don't
think
it's
a
north-south
issue.
It's
a
and
you
kind
of
said
this.
It's
it's
the
it's!
The
stage
of
development
of
cities
and
the
older
cities
were
built
around
horse
trails
and
cattle
trails
and,
and
you
know,
pre-cars
and
then
and
then
the
the
cities,
especially
in
florida,
were
built
mostly
after
world
war
ii,
and
they
were
built
around
suburban
car-centric
environments
and
we
don't
have
the
density
that
a
lot
of
other
cities
have.
J
But
I've
seen
situations
like
this.
Where
cities
develop,
you
know
all
over
asia,
new
cities
have
grown
out
of
nothing
swampland
and
others.
Singapore
even
created
islands
and
and
I
the
model
that
singapore
and
I
sorry
to
mention
singapore
all
the
time.
But
I
know
a
lot
about
it.
When
I
first
went
there
in
1989,
they
had
what
I
now
call
neighborhood
commercial
districts
and
we've
experimented
with
those
in
mcdell
area
and
also
in
west
tampa.
But
I
think
we
need
to
continue
that
throughout
the
city.
J
What
it
was
is
you
had
a
hub
of
commercial
activity,
entertainment
activity
and
then
around
that,
but
and
in
that
commercial
hub
was
a
also
a
bus
station
and
then
around
that
was
housing
and
then
around
that
was
offices
and
factories,
and
what,
in
all
when
they
finally
built
the
the
subway
and
the
light
rail
all
it
did,
is
it
connected
the
the
nodes
that
they
had
already
developed
through
planning,
and
so
I
think
that
the
key
of
this
is
planning.
J
We've
got
stephen
benson
now,
who
I
think
is
brilliant
visionary
like
you
are,
mr
speaker,
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it
from
a
planning
point
of
view.
We
need
to
go
back
to
the
neighborhood
commercial
district
area
and
as
we're
looking
at
reducing
parking
requirements,
we
would
do
it
in
the
denser
areas
that
might
be
the
core
nodes
of
these
neighborhood
commercial
districts
or
in
the
downtown
areas
or
ebor
or
some
of
the
denser
areas.
J
But
then,
as
we
go
out,
mr
video,
you
also
know
that
you
and
I
have
gotten
some
emails.
The
last
few
days,
the
area
around
diego
in
south
tampa
you
and
I've
been
working
on
that
three
years
and
we
still
haven't
figured
out
the
solution
now
with
with
uber
eats
and
these
other
services.
Restaurants,
don't
just
have
the
capacity
of
people
parking
at
the
restaurants,
but
now
they
have
lots
of
people
temporarily
parking
at
restaurants
and
other
things.
J
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
the
temporary
parking
for
food
establishments
in
particular,
but
maybe
others
that
will
have
deliveries
because
what's
happening
is
that
temporary
delivery,
cars
and
trucks
are
parking
in
front
of
fire
agents,
they're
parking
in
front
of
driveways
and
they're,
really
disrupting
the
single-family
neighborhood
housing
areas.
And
so
I
would
just
ask
first
of
all
that
we
start
with
planning
the
comprehensive
planning
really
which
is
planning
how
the
space
works
and
how
how
people
and
businesses
will
interact
with
the
space.
J
And
then
we
plan
mobility
and
traffic
around
that,
and
then
we
plan
the
parking
around
it,
but
that,
as
long
as
we
in
our
plan
have
single-family
housing,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
the
the
street
parking
and
other
parking
in
those
areas
so
that
it's
not
congested
with
all
these
other
kind
of
new
issues
that
have
popped
up,
because
it
really
directly
affects
the
quality
of
life
of
people
living
there.
Thank
you.
D
Great
point:
councilman,
carlson
and
also
councilman
goodes,
the
the
gist
as
councilman
carlson
mentioned,
is
landings
and
it's
the
land
use
that
kind
of
reflects
what
the
transportation
system
looks
like
and
that's
where
we
would
work.
You
know
with
the
planning
commission,
with
stephen,
with
nicole's
team
on
densification
and
then
fostering
the
right
type
of
transportation
system,
but
in
many
ways
again,
irrespective
of
geography,
we're
really
looking
to
the
future.
D
By
learning
from
our
past
pre-1960s,
we
had
a
different
type
of
transportation
system,
which
was
neighborhood
centric,
where
services
were
closer
to
where
you
live,
where
you
didn't
have
to
drive
seven
miles,
to
get
a
big
box
store
where
you
could
walk
several
blocks
to
transit
and
get
to
where
you
needed
to
get
to.
So
that
would
be
what
we
would
try
to
accomplish
in
say
our
streetcar
suburbs
around
the
urban
core.
There
may
be
a
different
treatment
around
our
coastal
high
hazards.
We're
studying
that
area
is
modern.
D
We
may
de-intensify
out
there
and
intensify
where
the
density
needs
to
be
so
all
of
these
would
be
considered,
and
certainly
we
would
need
to
look
at,
and
the
point
is
well
taken-
a
short-term
strategy
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
with
current
land
use
as
we
transition
over
the
next
20
years.
J
Could
I
just
add
real
questions,
mr
chair,
I
I
think
we
should
be
careful,
and
this
is
a
philosophical
conversation
for
another
day,
but
when
we
mentioned
land
use-
or
we
mentioned
the
comprehensive
plan-
and
you
didn't
mention
the
latter,
but
when
we
mention
the
two
of
them,
I
think
I
think
the
development
community
looks
at
those
as
as
obstacles
to
development
and
the
neighborhoods
look
at
them
as
ways
to
protect,
what's
happening
in
the
neighborhood
and
so
really
they're
they're
built
up
around
how
how
development
happens
and
and
and
what
uses
there
are,
what
the
value
is
planned
and
and
what
I'm
talking
about-
and
I
know
this
is
what
you
do,
because
you
you
you
do
this
every
day.
J
But
what
I'm
talking
about
is
a
real
plan
or
vision,
and
it's
a
thing
that
you
do
with
complete
streets
like
how.
How
do
we,
instead
of
thinking
it
from
a
land,
use
issue,
point
of
view?
How
do
we
do
a
real
plan
that
talks
about
how
people
will
interact
with
the
space
and
how
businesses
interact
with
the
space?
And
you
know
what
are
the
uses
of
the
space?
J
It's
not
it's
not
how
we
allocate
or
create
value
for
development
it's
about
how
people
will
use
it,
and
so
I
I
don't
know
if
the
word
planning
is
the
right
nomenclature
for
it.
I
know.
Neighbor
commercial
district
plans
is
one
aspect
of
it,
but
I
think
we
need
to
think
carefully
about
the
the
name.
The
words
that
we
use,
because
it's
not
just
a
land
use
issue,
as
is
traditionally
used.
It's
much
more
about
more
comprehensive
planning.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
for
my
second
bite
at
the
apple.
I
agree
with
the
statements
that
mr
vijay
made
and
according
to
that,
there
was
bus
three
and
four
that
would
take
us
from
downtown
to
ybor
city
and
to
the
housing
projects,
and
I
never
forget
it
was
mid
70s
about
76
77
when
I'm
walking
down
the
bottom
of
the
stairwell
and
harry
orr,
who
was
a
director
of
what
the
city
of
tampa
forensic
system
city
of
tampa
had
their
own
buses.
Those
are
the
buses
that
we
carry.
F
F
You
are
not
going
to
have
a
system
because
you
got
to
go
from
here
to
why
mama
to
leave
one
person
off
and
it
becomes
monetarily
impossible
to
survive,
and
the
bus
system
was
right
here.
The
buses
were
stored
right
here
off
of
cleveland
about
halfway
between
here
and
and
howard
avenue
on
the
south
side.
That's
where
the
buses
were
stored
at
night,
we
had.
E
F
System
that
worked,
it
wasn't
perfect,
but
it's
much
used
than
it
is
today.
For
many
reasons,
and
you
touched
on
some
of
them,
you
lived
and
worked
in
the
same
area
you
played
in
the
same
playgrounds
where
you
lived
and
worked.
You
didn't
have
to
go
miles
and
miles
and
miles
to
find
friends.
You
had
plenty
friends
around
you.
We
had
one
thing
that
we
don't
have
now
we
had
more
land
than
people.
F
Tampa
everywhere
they
moved
to
you
had
to
expand
the
bus
system
and
what
happened
is
all
of
a
sudden
you're,
not
working
and
living
where
you
work,
you
had
to
travel,
15,
20
miles,
10
miles,
5
miles
and
that's
what
you
have
today.
You
have
an
abundance
of
car
out
of
hundreds
of
people
with
the
same
road
work
that
we
had
many
many
years
ago,
and
when
you
look
at
the
transportation
of
the
expressway,
they
saw
problems
by
adding
a
lane.
F
F
You
built
another
lane
yeah
it
worked
for
a
couple
of
years
and
after
that,
what
you
got
the
same,
bumper-to-bumper
problem
that
you
had
before,
and
these
are
the
things
we
have
to
address
and
look
at
and
say:
listen,
we're
going
to
bite
the
bullet
and
we're
going
to
say,
listen,
we're
going
to
build
something
and
let's
use
it.
The
streetcar
is
certainly
going
to
improve.
It's
certainly
going
to
get
better,
but
it's
not
going
to
solve
all
the
problems.
It's
not
large
enough.
It's
not
big
enough!
F
The
streetcar
when
I
was
a
young
guy
here
in
tampa,
it
went
about
50
some
miles
in
the
city
from
imo
city
to
ballast
point
to
hyde
park
to
west
tampa
to
ebor
city
to
tampa
heights
close
to
everywhere
you
could
ride
a
bus
in
the
city
and
in
the
50s
mid
50s
close
to
the
60s.
They
took
the
streetcars
out
in
the
mid
60s.
F
The
final
nail
was
put
in
when
they
took
the
rail
out.
Now
you
had
nothing,
so
it
wasn't
until
back.
I
think
the
first
we,
the
first
straight
car
system,
cost
about
11
million.
Now
it
costs
11
million
to
go
one
block.
So
these
are
the
things
that
you
have
to
look
at
and
and
things
change,
but
they
still
remain
the
same.
F
You
have
to
move
people
from
point
a
to
point
b
and
now
there's
much
more
to
do
than
there
was
in
the
50s
and
the
60s.
Therefore,
you
have
gridlock.
Therefore,
we
can't
away
to
give
away
our
parking.
You
can't
give
our
street
parking
away.
It's
got
to
be
kept,
so
the
people
can
still
harmonize
and
go
somewhere
at
a
much
less
expense.
That's
what
I'm
saying
and
I
hope,
you're
success.
G
Much
sir
councilman,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
Vic.
Again,
thank
you
for
your
wonderful
report.
I've
heard
many
things
in
this
discussion,
especially
about
when
tampa
had
its
own
bus
service.
We
had
to
switch
that
over
and
now
look
at
our
bus
system.
I
heard
another
topic
about
going
to
another
city.
I
go
to
chicago
land
at
midway,
cross
over
cicero,
get
on
the
orange
line
and
I'm
downtown
in
20
minutes.
G
They
say
what
are
you
doing
about
our
transportation
so
when
and
if
this
all
for
transportation
tax
comes
back
on
please,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
voted
in
that
is
going
to
help
pay
for
our
transportation
needs
vic.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
say
this:
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations,
at
least
in
some
parking
spaces
within
our
downtown
area.
People
come
downtown.
G
B
B
There's
three
people
left
in
tampa
dick
greco,
charlie
miranda
and
e.j
salcines
to
talk
about
how
things
used
to
be,
and
it's
important
that
we
know
that
and
we
teach
that
to
the
new
generations
and
us
here,
because
it
seems
that
tampa
at
one
point:
let's
take
ybor
city
ybor
city
is
the
perfect
example
of
live
work
and
play.
Historically,
you
had
mutual
aid
societies,
you
had
jobs,
you
had
the
streetcar
going
down
7th
avenue,
it
worked,
but
then
tampa
grew
and
it
got
big
in
the
interstate
and
they
pulled
up
the
streetcar.
B
And
all
these
things,
and-
and
here
we
are
thinking
you
know-
we
want
to
go
back
to
how
things
were,
because
it
was
focused
on
not
the
automobile
but
the
pedestrian,
and
I
think
we're
things
come
full
circle.
You
know
in
a
century
later
we're
looking
at.
How
do
we
get
back
to
that
and
now
to
accommodate
a
much
larger
city,
so
wonderful
presentation
and
discussion?
I
really
enjoyed
it
and
we
thank
you
if
there's
no
other
questions,
no.
F
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Sir
next
item
we
have
is
we
have
a
memo
here
from
cfo
dennis
rojero
item
number
six,
I
don't
know
if
he
had
a
presentation.
B
K
Good
afternoon,
mr
chair
good
afternoon,
council
dennis
rojero
chief
financial
officer.
I
am
we
provided
that
staff
report,
I'm
here
if
you'd
like
me
to
highlight
portions
of
it
or
if
you
have
any
questions,
but
that
is
the
extent
of
our
submission.
G
Yes,
I
again
getting
back
on
the
subject
that
we
had
earlier
transportation
is
a
must,
is
the
necessity.
Sidewalks
is
another
necessity
for
for
funding
any
way.
We
can
get
anything
for
the
aforementioned
things,
such
as
sidewalks.
G
K
Thank
you,
sir
well
and
I'll
start
with
just
a
few
highlights,
and
they
get
down
into
the
detail
you
just
asked
for
again.
This
is
a
little
over
a
trillion
dollars
over
the
next
five
years.
About
half
of
that
is
brand
new
federal
funding.
So
we
are
it's
our
intention
to
go
for
every
dime.
We
can
get
as
long
as
it's
within
our
strategic
goals
as
long
as
it
is
communicated
and
coordinated
with
our
regional
partners.
You
know
the
mpo
heart
hillsborough
county
government,
for
instance,
as
you've
seen
from
the
staff
report.
K
It's
very
very
transportation,
heavy
focus
on
safety,
bridges
where
we
can
fit
this
funding
and
the
required
match
funding
to
our
priorities:
repaving,
sidewalks,
etcetera,
that's
exactly
what
we're
going
to
do
as
part
of
the
staff
report.
You
see
nearly
two
dozen
potential
opportunities
scattered
throughout
the
departments.
Again
very
transportation
heavy,
so
that
will
be
that'll
be
most
of
our
effort
is
seeking
the
funding
to
align
with
what
we
need,
some
of
which
you
just
pointed
out.
G
How
much
of
this
can
we
contribute
with
transportation,
especially
if
we're
talking
light
rail
or
or
rubber
wheeled
designated
buses?
It's
usually
funding
50
feds
25
state
25
local,
which
basically
is
hillsborough
county.
How
much
of
this
money
can
we
put
into
that
25
for
hillsborough
county
to
get
some
transportation
needs
completed
or
started.
K
A
few
things
need
to
happen
before
I
can
answer
that
definitively
again
next
month.
We're
going
to
have
a
meeting
with
you
know
the
highest
levels
of
the
federal
government
about
this
funding.
As
I
said,
we're
also
going
to
coordinate
speaking
of
the
county,
we're
going
to
coordinate,
communicate
with
them
as
as
you'll
see
in
the
staff
report,
the
match
requirements
are
anticipated
to
be
20
to
80,
so
they
could
potentially
be
significant.
K
It's
prudent
for
us
right
now
and
that's
what
we're
doing
to
try
to
identify
every
single
match
revenue
opportunity
we
have,
because
if
you
have
a
project,
it's
an
important
project
and
you
need
to
provide
eighty
percent
of
the
match,
plus
four
fifths
of
the
project,
not
to
downplay
the
twenty
percent.
They
give
us
because
twenty
percent
is
twenty
percent.
So,
as
we
work
that
out
the
match,
requirements
will
become
clear.
The
funding
sources
that
will
tag
for
those
match
requirements
will
also
become
clear.
Okay,.
G
Let's
go
on
to
the
next
sidewalks
and
roads.
City
of
tampa
only
has
20
percent
of
the
roads
within
our
city
limits.
How
much
of
this,
if
we
get
funding
can
go
to
roads
such
as
our
state,
roads
or
county
roads
such
as
columbus
drive
such
as
bayshore
boulevard
such
as
40th
street?
How
much
of
this
funding
can
we
go
to
to
repave
those
roads,
fix
those
roads
or
are
better
our
sidewalks.
K
K
Now,
when
I
look
through
the
paperwork
for
this,
I
see
a
very
transportation
heavy,
as
I
said,
and
serving
disadvantaged
communities,
I
haven't
seen
opportunities
that
that
strike
me
for
affordable
housing.
Now,
having
said
that,
I
can't
say
with
further
discussion
and
a
meeting
of
the
minds
we
might
not
be
able
to
find
some
some
way,
either
directly
or
indirectly
to
contribute
to
that
effort.
G
All
right,
I
thank
you
very
much
for
for
your
your
input
on
this.
Mr
chairman,.
E
E
G
You
heard
the
questions
that
I
posed
about:
repaving,
roads,
transportation
and
sidewalks.
Are
we
able
to
use
these
funds
for
those
things.
D
So
that's
a
great
question:
multi-part
answer,
so
there's
one
entire
program
of
the
various
funding
opportunities
being
available
that
is
targeted
towards
cities
to
fill
this
particular
need,
which
is
condition
of
roadways,
not
having
seen
the
notice
of
funding
opportunity
because
it's
not
been
released.
D
Yet
we
don't
know
what
those
conditions
are
or
what
a
pathway
for
the
funds
are
usually
federal
funds
flow
through
formula
programs
that
go
through
the
state
requested
by
the
mpo
and
to
us
that
would
be
the
status
of
a
majority
of
the
funding
opportunities,
which
is
why
the
surtax
is
important
so
that
we
can
leverage
some
local
funding
to
be
competitive
for
federal
funds.
D
There
is
indication
that
there
will
be
some
direct
funds
available
as
well
and
we're
tracking
these
meetings,
along
with
revenue
and
finance
on
a
weekly
basis
with
usdod,
but
not
having
seen
those
no
phone
notice
of
funding
opportunities.
D
We
don't
know
for
certain.
What
we
do
know
is
there
will
be
plenty
of
programs
that
map
a
lot
of
our
strategic
needs,
including
how
do
we
connect
mobility
and
affordable
housing?
And
how
do
we
enhance
one
with
the
use
of
the
other?
The
details,
of
course,
we'll
continue
to
share
as
they
become
available.
G
D
D
However,
there
will
be
funding
that
can
complement
any
kind
of
current
effort,
so
be
it
a
bright
line
coming
in
and
they're
working
directly
with
the
state
and
the
federal
government
or
be
it
a
local
initiative.
So
f-dot
has
an
intermodal
center
study
that
has
intermodal
center
locations
identified
in
very
key
locations
like
close
to
the
airport
close
to
downtown.
D
G
J
Ask
a
quick
question:
yes,
sir:
go
ahead
just
quick
vic
a
few
years
ago,
senator
brandis
and
others
thought
that
autonomous
vehicles
would
be
very
common
right
now,
we're
still
kind
of
in
the
experimental
stage.
One
of
the
arguments
that
was
made
about
councilmember
tsicho
mentioned
downtown
the
airport.
J
You
know,
have
greater
headways
and
they
get
more
reliable
and
then,
if
it,
if
it
worked,
then
we
could
put
rail
there
and
have
a
dedicated
line
eventually
if
we
wanted
to.
But
where
do
we
stand
on
that?
Is
there
any?
Is
it
having
an
autonomous
vehicle
route
from
downtown
the
airport?
Is
that
even
possible.
D
D
So
that's
where
we
will
see
that
that
that
spectrum,
if
you
will
another
way,
the
spectrum
of
automation
is
going
to
manifest
itself
is
with
introduction
of
incremental
features.
So,
several
years
back,
you
know,
backup
cameras
were
luxury
today,
they're
standard,
the
same
thing
with
seat
belts,
power
steering
you
name
it
different
safety
features.
D
So
as
these
vehicles,
irrespective
of
form,
factor,
get
more
and
more
connected
with
each
other
and
they
get
more
and
more
feature
rich,
we'll
move
that
needle
on
automation
forward,
but
it
doesn't
appear
like
that,
is
something
that's
imminent
and
that's
something
we
should
be
planning
in
our
short
term
plans
for
now
long
term.
Certainly,
we
should
experiment
with
pilots,
which
we
are
doing
on
either
side
of
the
bay.
J
One
final
final,
quick
comment:
just
a
comment
on
a
question
but,
as
I
understand
it,
brightline
because
coming
across
I-4
is
going
to
land
just
off
I-4
near
e-board,
and
some
of
the
plans
for
light
rail
in
the
past,
going
east
and
west
were
to
go
along
275
and,
as
you
know,
we
wouldn't
get
any
benefit
from
transitory
development,
then,
and
it
wouldn't
tie
into
the
kind
of
people
planning
and
nodes
that
neighborhood
nodes
that
we
talked
about
before.
J
B
B
I
believe
can
go
together.
They're
both
south
of
gandy
community
concerns,
part
one
and
then
the
second
part
is
really
the
14
items
of
concerns
that
were
submitted
by
the
south
agandi
group.
I
don't
know
who
will
be
presenting
item
seven
and
eight.
D
Afternoon,
chair
vic,
b
day,
director
mobility
department,
I
can
address
item
seven.
Okay,
we
did.
D
We
did
submit
a
staff
report
that
basically
outlines
the
the
question
about
the
transportation
concurrency
exception
areas
or
tceas
tceas
were
created
to
foster
more
infill
development
in
areas
back
then
like
ybor
city
and
downtown,
where
a
lot
of
development
have
been
away
from
and
developers
preferred
a
different
type
of
development,
either
sprawl
and
subdivisions
or
areas
where
there
wasn't
a
mature
transportation
grid
or
a
system,
because
costs
were
lesser,
and
so
that's
why
they
were
introduced.
D
Getting
rid
of
the
tceas
is
one
part
of
a
broader
planning
discussion
that
we
are
having
along
with
nicole's
team.
Basically,
it
will
require
looking
at
what
type
of
development
and
what
type
of
intensity
we
want
in
different
areas
and
then
right
sizing
the
solution
for
the
same.
D
J
B
Sure,
thank
you
yes,
sir.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
item
is
item
number
eight,
mr
b
day
were
you
going
to
speak
or
that
or
mr
benson.
E
Very
much
stephen
benson,
director
of
city
planning,
the
update
for
this
item
is
included
in
the
memo
in
your
packet.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
close
it
out
to
say
that
of
all
the
14
items,
every
one
of
them
is
either
under
review
or
in
process.
Seven
have
already
been
completed
and
then
the
remaining
that
have
yet
to
be
really
taken
up.
E
B
B
There
is
a
memo
from
vic
b
day
to
be
received
and
filed,
not
sure
if
he
had
anything
to
add
to
that
or
mr
carl
councilman
carlson.
Are
you
happy
with
the
the
staff
report
that
was
submitted.
B
No
all
right,
mr,
so,
if
there's
nothing
else,
would
you
like
to
move
on?
B
Yes?
Okay,
can
we
get
a
motion
then
to
receive
and
follow
that
report
motion
from
councilman
miranda,
secretary,
councilman
goodes,
all
in
favor
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
We
go
to
the
last
four
items
of
the
agenda.
Item
number
13
was
my
motion.
There
is
a
memo
from
oseawen.
This
is
regarding
the
enforcement
and
increase
of
littering
fines.
B
It
was
a
written
report.
I
do
not
need
her
present
so
I'll.
Just
look
that
over
and
then
I'll
respond
to
my
constituents
that
had
asked
about
this.
B
May
I
have
a
motion
to
receive
and
file
motion
from
councilman
miranda
secretary
councilman
goods,
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
all
right
next
up,
vic
b
day
as
well.
This
is
a
motion
by
councilmember
carlson
regarding
a
signalized
light
at
the
intersection
of
grand
hampton
drive
and
county
line
road
or
at
east
county
line
road
in
dunham
station.
B
L
B
L
And
if
I
may
no-
and
I
don't-
I
don't
need
and
vic,
I
don't
need
anything
unless
if
you
have
anything
other
than
the
report,
it
would
appear
that
we
can
have
this
back
in
90
days.
So
if
I
may
master
chair
I'll
make
a
motion
to
have
this
return
to
us
at
the
next
available
date
after
90
days,
mr
b
day
is
that
does
that
sound
good,
sir.
D
Yes,
sir,
that
sounds
good.
We
should
be
done
with
our
analysis
and
have
some
findings.
L
B
Right,
let's
do
july,
14th
sounds
good
to
me
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
to
what
continue
that
yesterday,
until
july
14th
under
staff
reports
from
councilman
vera,
do
we
have
a
second
second
for
councilman
goods,
all
in
favor
aye.
E
L
B
C
C
C
Oh,
it
was
backup,
I'm
sorry
well
I'll,
be
happy
to
go
through
it.
If
that's
okay
with
you,
I
can
give
you
the
information.
That's
in
it.
C
C
Can
go
ahead.
Okay,
perfect.
We
carry
that
two
million
dollar
per
occurrence
coverage.
We
have
an
sir,
which
is
self-insured
retention
of
five
hundred
thousand
000.
C
C
C
We
have
to
give
prop
notification
to
the
carrier
in
the
event
that
claims
are
filed
or
investigations
occur,
and
what
I
will
share
with
you
on
that.
That
is
an
administrative
decision
that
occurs
among
and
across
departments,
and
your
particular
question
was
about
dno
coverage.
Dno
coverage
is
for
for-profit,
non-profit
businesses,
and
it
is
designed
to
protect
them
against
filings
around
issues
with
their
directors
and
officers,
and
that's
just
really
a
very
general
explanation
of
the
coverage.
Up
to
this
point.
B
Okay,
just
just
so
I'm
I'm
clear,
it
says
limit
two
million
per
occurrence
named
insured
city
of
tampa,
so
if
the
city
is
is
is
sued
on
whatever
whatever
you
know
falls
within
those
guidelines.
Yes,
it
limits
it
to
two
million
dollars.
Yes,.
B
C
J
Yeah
without
mentioning
any
particular
cases,
I
I
maybe
like
my
colleagues,
I
have
concerns
about
the
the
self-insurance
on
the
the
first
500
I
wish
we
could
find.
I
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
objective
third-party
insurance
for
everybody,
ideally,
but
in
particular
for
city
council.
It's,
I
guess
you,
you
sent
us
a
copy
of
the
policy
because
I
haven't
read
it
yet,
but
that
so
for
the
first
500
does
the
same
policy
apply
as
as
applies
for
500,
000,
plus.
E
J
J
C
J
I
don't
know
about
anybody
else,
but
I
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
can
do
it
an
hour
later,
but
for
for
either
city,
council
members
or
everyone
to
have
a
more
objective
policy
for
500
000
less,
and
maybe
it
would
have
a
five
or
ten
thousand
dollar
minimum
on
it.
J
But
you
know
the
the
the
problem,
as
we
as
we've
observed,
is
that
the
the
public
and
and
and
and
maybe
some
of
us
feel
that
the
decision
about
whether
to
cover
something
or
not
is
either
arbitrary
or
political,
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
provide
objectivity
if
someone
has
the
the
city
self-insures
insurance,
health
insurance,
but
then
outsources
the
administration
of
it
and
it,
and
if,
if
somebody
needed
a
lung
transplant,
I'm
making
that
up.
J
It's
some
very
expensive
health
thing
that
would
be
covered
in
the
terms
of
the
agreement
that
was
worked
out
with
the
provider,
even
though
the
city
is
insuring
it.
But
in
this
case
it.
If
there's
no
specific
guidelines
we're
not
following
the
guidelines
of
500
000
plus,
then
it
looks
like
it's
arbitrary
or
political
as
to
whether
somebody
gets
reimbursed
or
protected,
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we,
how
do
we
protect
council
and
and
other
staff
for
the
city
and
take
and
put
objectivity
back
into
it?.
C
J
C
Well,
first,
I
would
venture
to
argue
that
it
is
objective,
but
going
on
your
premise,
sir,
I
think
that
what
we
would
need
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
we
are
very
transparent,
as
we
make
decisions
about
information
that
is
submitted
to
us.
I
would
also
like
to
help
you
to
understand
in
others
that
every
fact
situation
is
different.
There's
a
clause
in
our
policy
that
says
as
long
as
the
individual
is
operating
inside
of
their
course
and
scope
of
their
employment
or
duties.
J
Yeah-
and
it
seems
that
in
in
practice
that
that
that
decision
also
could
be
arbitrary.
You
know
somebody
could.
Could
you
know
I
I
could.
I
could
park
in
my
colleagues
parking
space
by
accident
and
then
and
then
get
in
trouble,
because
I
because
I
did
that
and
if
there
were
it
seems
like.
The
purpose
of
this
kind
of
insurance
is,
if
you
make
a
mistake,
that
you
would
be
covered
and
a
mistake
kind
of
by
its
definition
might
be
something
outside
or
slightly
outside
the
bounds.
J
And
if,
if
there
are
no
specific
guidelines
on
what
that
means,
then
it
seems
like
it's
arbitrary
political.
So
if
the
chair
will
allow
me
I'll
just
make
a
quick
motion-
and
I
don't
have
dates
in
front
of
me-
sorry,
but
I
would
make
a
motion
to
ask
staff
to
come
back
in
a
month
or
two
to
to
propose
some
kind
of
objective
policy
with
it,
with
objective
guidelines
for
coverage
between
zero
and
five
hundred
thousand.
B
All
right,
councilman
vieira,
I
see
your
hand
in
the
announcement.
F
I
I
just
the
word
objective
could
mean
many
things
for
many
people
and
when
you
buy
a
policy,
you
buy
a
policy
that
tells
you
how
you're
covered
where
you're
covered
and
what
you
have
to
do
to
have
the
policy
enforced.
In
case
something
happens
where
you
buy
an
automobile
policy,
you
create
your
own
level
of
what
you
want.
If
you
want
bodily
injury,
if
you
want
this,
you
want
the
other
occurrences.
How
much
total
you
want?
F
So
there's
an
open
area
here
that
I
quite
don't
quite
grasp
and-
and
I
wanna
get
to
the
bottom
of
it-
because
it's
not
about
me
or
anyone
else,
it's
about
the
intent
of
the
policy
and-
and
I'm
not
talking
about
this
council
when
you
buy
a
policy
even
in
a
homeowner's
policy.
It
covers
you
to
a
certain
extent,
wind
damage,
rain
damage
so
forth,
and
so
on,
and
it's
very
you
look
at
it.
It
may
have
coverage
may
not
have
covered
depending
on
how
it
happens.
F
So
you
know,
I
see
ads
now
in
the
paper
and
tv
all
the
time
about
hi.
I
want
to
be
your
pipe
insurance
guy
I
want
to
be.
I
represent
you
because
y'all
know
you
got
pipes
under
your
house.
Let
me
tell
what
happened
to
me
in
one
of
the
rental
properties
that
I
managed.
F
I
was
going
to
rent
a
property
to
a
person
that
person
I
said.
I
need
some
work
done.
She
sent
a
friend
over
and
the
first
thing
the
guy
tells
me
he
looks
under
the
sink
and
he
tells
me
you
know
you
can
get
twelve
thousand
dollars
from
your
insurance
pilots
because
you
got
old
pipes.
I
didn't
say
a
word.
The
next
thing
he
tells
me
is
this
house
is
big
enough.
You
can
invite
it
in
half
and
that's
where
I
stop.
F
F
So
it
is
what
it
is,
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up,
and
I
understand
some
of
what
you're
saying
I
don't
understand
the
objectivity
of
of
the
policy,
because
no
policy,
a
policy
comes
straight
forward.
It
either
is:
oh,
it's
not.
You
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
re
report,
the
date
of
injury,
the
date
of
the
accident
and
and
those
are
the
things
that
are
just
plain
written
in
the
policy.
That's
all
I
can
tell
you.
L
You
very
much-
and
you
know
this
is
similar
to
something
that
happened
last
week
where
I
said
I
need
more
information
on
it,
because
there's
a
there's,
a
premise
on
the
motion
that
that,
without
going
down
a
rabbit
hole
so
to
speak,
more
information,
I
I
have
to
do
my
own
due
diligence
on
it
and
and
whatnot.
L
A
couple
of
other
issues
is
with
a
self-insured
retention
to
the
extent
that
that
folks
are
talking
about-
and
I
don't
mean
in
this
motion
just
in
general-
not
having
a
self-insured
detention
people
do
that
because
they
want
to
have
lower
premiums
and
a
lot
of
cities
do
that
because
of
saving
on
costs
etc.
So
you
know
they're
every
single
policy
and
I'm
an
attorney,
I'm
a
liability
attorney,
I'm
not
a
coverage
attorney.
L
Thank
god,
I'm
not
a
coverage
attorney,
but
but
you
know,
policies
have
objective
language
on
what
is
and
isn't
covered
under
the
policy.
You
know.
Councilman
carlson
brings
up
some
potentially
viable
points,
but
you
know,
for
me,
I
need
to
you
know,
speak
to
more
folks
on
this
etcetera.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
bring
it
up
in
a
few
weeks
after
I
do
my
due
diligence,
because
the
last
few
weeks
have
been
very
very
busy.
L
L
Joe
lopez
was
a
plaintiff's
attorney
and
we
got
a
release
for
tampa
police
department,
but
not
the
police
officer,
because
he
was
found
to
not
be
in
the
course
and
duty
from
course,
and
scope
of
employment
and
therefore
the
city
didn't
cover
him
again
how
it
applies
to
us
how
it
applies
to
this.
I
just
wanted
to
get
more
information
before
I
vote
on
something
like
this.
My
opinion,
so
is
just
my
position.
Councilman.
J
Could
we
could
we
just
continue
this
for
a
month
and
then
and
then
I
could
make
two
more
statements
about
it
before
we
close.
B
We
make
a
motion
to
continue.
J
E
I
was
just
going
to
bring
that
up.
Mr
chairman,
I've
been
next
actually
scheduled
for
next
week
and
it's
interesting
that
this
overlaps
and
actually
travels
together.
The
the
actual
motion
was
martin
shelby
council
attorney
to
provide
a
report
on
his
advice
regarding
creating
an
ordinance
to
protect
elected
officials
sued
under
chapter
119,
and
I
think
that
this
ties
very
much
into
this.
I've
been
doing
initial
research
and
I've
only
actually
had
a
week
and
have
to
be
prepared
for
next
week.
E
So,
frankly,
I'm
not
quite
with
my
due
diligence
yet
either,
but
but
specifically,
if
we
are,
as
we
say,
if
you
have
self-insured
retention,
even
in.
B
E
Yeah,
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait,
miss
shelby!
What
I
found
so
far
council
is
oh
by
the
way
I
did
hear
from
sarasota.
Sarasota
doesn't
in
fact
have
an
ordinance.
Sarasota
has
indemnification
in
their
charter
and
there
are
other
places
that
have
it
in
the
charter
as
well,
and
some
do
have
ordinances.
E
The
counties
the
county,
hillsborough
county
does
have
it
with
regard
to
our
policies,
but
I
am
I'm
still
in
the
process
of
doing
it
and
I
would
have
to
continue
looking
further,
and
this
is
only
specific
to
chapter
119
and
that's
rather
limited,
and
I
don't
believe
I
found
anything
yet
that
just
applies
singularly
to
to
that
it
would
have
to
apply
more
broadly.
I.
J
Yeah,
just
I
think,
to
to
councilman
miranda's
point.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
the
question
I
had
before
was.
What
is:
is
the
same
policy
above
500
000
apply
to
everything
below
500
000..
The
answer
was
no,
and
so
the
question
is,
you
know
why.
J
Why
wouldn't
it
match-
and
we
don't
have
to
answer
this
today,
but
we
need
to
have
the
the
specific
policy
and
if
I
use
the
healthcare
analogy
again,
let's
say
I
accidentally
park
in
in
council
member
seatro's
space
and
a
truck
comes
up
and
hits
me
and
I
get
injured.
If
the
legal
department
says
well,
you
you
parked
in
the
wrong
parking
space
that
and
you
therefore
you
broke
the
rule,
and
so
the
health
insurance
doesn't
apply.
J
J
The
margin
of
error
is
so
narrow
that
it
doesn't
allow
for
any
reasonable
person
to
get
covered,
and
then
the
second
thing
is
that
a
healthcare
policy,
if
you
need
to
have
surgery,
you
have
a
choice
of
in
in
plan
and
out
of
plan
or
in
networking
out
of
network.
So
if
you
decide
to,
if
you
don't
like
the
the
the
surgeon,
that's
that's
inside
the
city,
healthcare
plan.
You
can
go
to
your
own
surgeon,
but
you
would
pay.
J
I
presume,
I'm
not
on
the
plan,
but
let's
say
instead
of
the
city
paying
80
or
90,
they
only
pay
60,
but
you
have
the
option
to
go
out
of
network.
So
in
this
case,
if
one
of
the
one
of
the
covered
areas
was
attorneys,
you
don't
have
to
use.
The
city's
attorney
go
use
an
outside
attorney,
but
they're
only
going
to
pay
up
to
a
certain
amount
per
hour
or
only
a
certain
percentage.
But
I
think
we
we
need
to
have
that
that
objectivity
in
it.
J
So
my
motion
was
that
we
just
with
that
understanding
in
mind
if
we
could
just
continue
this
for
a
month
and
then
have
an
additional
discussion.
B
May
5th
is
just
a
little
over
a
month
where
we
have
a
regular
session.
We
want
to
put
under
staff
reports.
B
J
Move
to
continue
to
make
fifth.
L
I
was
just
going
to
say
just
just
and
again
and
I'm
and
I'm
again
I
I'm
all
all
for
reaching
out
on
this
issue
and
mr
shelby
I'll
be
following
up
with
you.
I
guess
within
the
next
week
to
talk
about
this
and
your
findings
and
I'm
sure
we'll
all
be
doing
it
separately
and
whatnot.
I
was
going
to
discuss
it
further,
but
again
I
I
don't
want
to
deliver
the
issue.
I
think
would
you
like
to
second
it.
B
E
E
B
E
B
We
have
a
motion
from
councilman
carlson,
a
second
from
councilman
vieira
sure.
A
I'm
not
a
risk
manager,
I'm
not
an
insurance
professional,
not
an
attorney.
I'm
john
bennett,
chief
of
staff,
but
I
wanted
to
you
know
one
thing:
this
is
in
my
portfolio
and
I
ask
a
lot
of
those
detailed
questions
that
have
come
up
today
and
and
our
risk
manager
has
done
a
great
job.
She's
done
an
amazing
job
with
our
our
risk
package.
If
you
will-
and
I
just
want
to
make
two
clarifying
points-
I
think
the
way
the
question
was
phrased
and
responded
to
about
object.
A
Objectivity
was
just
a
little
bit
off,
not
so
much
on
the
answer,
but
on
the
way
the
question
was
posed
and
then
the
response
no
harm
on
either
side.
I
think
the
process
to
evaluate
a
claim
is
objective
within
the
city.
I
think
the
subjectivity
is
both
the
situation
and
the
threshold
of
money
that
we
would
decide
based
on
our
self-insured
portion,
leading
up
to
the
500
000
deductible.
In
other
words,
we
would
have
to
consult
with
legal
and
see.
Are
we
going
to
cross
that
threshold?
A
A
A
So
I
would,
I
would
say,
on
one
piece
of
this:
the
objectivity
that
councilman
carlson
asked
about
is
there,
and
I
would
tell
you
that
in
my
30
years
here
and
be
involved
in
a
lot
of
high
risk
incidents
in
law
enforcement
and
beyond
that,
almost
everything
is
covered
and
to
councilman
vera's
point.
There
are
going
to
be
isolated
incidents
where
somebody
has
gone
out
of
the
scope
of
their
employment
out
of
the
scope
of
the
policy
and
they
put
themselves
in
their
own
little
risk
position.
A
And
then
the
statute
allows
for
recovery,
should
they
prevail.
So
there's
a
lot
of
safeguards
to
working
within
the
city,
volunteering
within
the
city,
being
an
elected
official
in
the
city,
but
remember
this
policy
sits
within
an
entire
risk
universe.
That
and,
as
we
talk
about
it,
all
the
risk
people
out
there
watch
these
conversations.
J
If
any,
you
know,
and
and
just
as
you
said,
the
risk
people
watch
this
also
the
people
that
would
potentially
sue
us
for
watching
this
and
and
and
if
they
look
at
it
and
say,
oh
well,
the
city
is
not
going
to
protect
city,
council
members
or
anybody
else
in
the
city,
then
they'll
file,
litigation
that
could
potentially
bankrupt
any
of
us
and
every
single
one
of
us
should
be
afraid
of
this
unless,
unless
you've
been
fully
briefed
on
it,
the
same
thing
is:
if
you
have
an
auto
policy,
if
you
haven't
read
it
and
you
don't
know,
what's
covered
or
or
a
health
insurance
policy,
you
should.
J
J
Hopefully
I
won't
have
one,
but
but
if,
if,
if
somebody
has
a
claim
in
the
healthcare
policy,
there's
a
standard
process
and
as
I
would
understand
it,
it
would
be
handled
the
calculation
about
whether
something's
covered
or
not
would
be
by
the
third
party
administrator
of
the
insurance,
not
by
a
staff
person.
Especially
if
the
staff
person
is
appointed
by
a
political
person.
Then
it
potentially
brings
politics
into
the
mix.
And-
and
someone
could
argue
that
that
it's
that
that
they
were
covered
or
not
covered
because
of
political
reasons.
J
And
so
my
my
point
is
that
it
could
be
that
the
structure
is
already
there.
But
but
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
briefed
and
we
need
to
have
some
level
of
confidence.
And
if
there
are
ways
that
we
can
tweak
it,
I'm
not
suggesting
tweaking
the
whole
thing
that
will
cost
us
lots
of
money.
But
let's
just
make
sure
that
we're
covered.
A
And
and
thank
you
councilman
carlson
and
my
objective
was
not
to
change
the
motion
but
was
just
to
clarify
thought
process
till
we
get,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
one-on-one
and
and
our
risk
manager
actually
put
that
in
the
memo
that
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
have
one-on-one
conversations
to
the
exact
points
that
you
made.
So
I
appreciate
that
approach
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
everybody
who's
interested
in
that.
J
Thank
you
very
much
back
to
my
analogy
again,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
got
diagnosed
into
the
health
health
care
plan
and
you
needed
a
lung
transplant
and
and
someone
who
was
a
political
appointee,
got
to
make
the
decision
about
whether
you
about
your
life
or
death
situation,
you
would
be
scared
if
you
didn't
100
get
along
with
everybody,
and
so
the
same
thing
here
getting
sued
in
oblivion
is,
to
some
extent
a
life-and-death
situation.
I
think
people
should
feel
safe
and
I
think
that
you
know
it
every
I
don't.
A
A
B
Has
a
motion
a
second
from
viera?
Yes,
sir-
and
this
is
for
may
5th
under
staff
reports,
all
in
favor
any
opposed
and
then
and
then
we
also
have
an
existing
motion
about
chapter
119.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
shelby.
E
B
So
if
we
could
have
a
motion
on
the
the
discussion
for
april
7th
regarding
chapter
119,
is
that
correct,
sir?
Well,
it's
actually.
E
B
E
B
B
I
Ma'am
go
ahead
good
afternoon:
council
abby,
philly,
director
of
development
and
growth
management
for
the
city.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
in
chambers
before
you
this
afternoon.
I
did
file
a
memorandum
on
this
item.
Item
16
on
your
agenda
was
a
motion
made
by
councilman
vieira
related
to
additional
council
meetings
to
address
the
backlog
of
rezoning
and
special
use
cases
that
are
awaiting
quasi-judicial
hearings.
I
As
I
just
mentioned,
I
did
file
a
memo
on
this
and
I
I
did
file
an
addendum
last
night
because
I
had
received
some
feedback
related
to
the
potential
calendars
that
I
had
in
the
memorandum
and
options
for
your
consideration.
This
afternoon.
I
As
you're
aware,
development
coordination
has
worked
over
the
past
two
years.
Through
the
pandemic,
they've
been
with
you
at
the
convention
center
we've
done
virtual
hearings,
we've
returned
in
person,
we've
done
whatever
we
could
to
continue
to
keep
those
hearings
moving
forward
with
you.
In
addition,
we
went
through
the
consideration
of
a
moratorium,
which
we
also
feel
may
have
had
an
impact
in
the
number
of
applications
that
were
filed
and
people
anticipating
that
development
may
be
stifled
in
some
way
and
they
wanted
to
get
in
before
that
happened.
I
Historically,
you
have
conducted
two
evening
hearings
a
month
and
the
way
that
land
development
or
what
is
now
development
coordination,
has
managed,
that
is
to
set
10
new
items
and
three
continued
items.
So
a
total
of
13
items
some
months.
Those
are
modified
with
comp
plan
amendments
comprehensive
plan
amendments
some
months
there,
but
we've
always
stuck
to
those
13
slots
so
to
speak
twice
a
month
and
over
the
past
18
months,
I've
come
before
you
a
couple
times
to
discuss
with
you.
I
I
I
So
right
away
we're
filling
up
that
first
ten
slots
in
the
first
hearing
of
the
month
and
then
we're
potentially
using
five
to
seven
of
the
slots
for
the
next
cycle,
which
is
only
really
leaving
room
for
three
more
applications
to
come
in
and
fill
that
night,
but
in
an
average
of
15
we're
continuing
to
exceed
what's
going
and
what
is
available
to
our
our
customers,
our
clients.
So
the
couple
options
that
I
did
outline
for
you
in
my
first
memo
and
in
the
subsequent
and
I
do
have
copies
of
those
calendars.
I
I
There
was
consideration
of
putting
them
on
a
tuesday,
and
I
I
did
provide
four
dates
for
that,
and
then
what
I
provided
last
night
was,
if
you
contemplate
adding
an
additional
thursday
evening
hearing
and
if
it
is
either
the
first
thursday
of
the
month,
if
you
did
it
the
first
thursday
of
the
month,
you'd
have
hearings
the
first
thursday,
the
second
thursday
you'd
have
a
break
on
the
third
thursday
and
on
the
fourth
thursday,
you
would
have
another
evening
hearing,
if
you
did
it
on
the
third
thursday
you'd
have
night
meetings,
the
second
third
and
fourth
thursday
of
the
month.
I
So
the
other
recommendation
was
to
consider
adding
hearings
just
for
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments
and
to
stop
intermingling
those
with
slots
that
are
allocated
for
the
rezonings
and
special
uses,
and
then
we
could
have
fully
an
additional.
You
know
nights
just
dedicated
to
to
those
cases.
So
those
also
in
my
original
memo
were
proposed
on
tuesdays.
But
I
do
have
some
dates
for
you
today.
If
you
wanted
to
consider
adding
those
on
thursdays
and
we're
we're
we're
suggesting
three
more
hearings
for
those
one,
a
quarter
for
the
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
B
Thank
you
very
much
so
I'll
start
by
saying
that
I'm
supportive
of
whatever,
if
it's
every
thursday
or
as
that
was
explained,
but
we
get
one
thursday
off
a
month.
We
just
were
overwhelmed
with
work.
I'm
also
supportive
of
the
comp
plan
amendments
coming
in
on
a
potential
additional
hearing,
because
that'll
free
up
those
are
generally
pretty
easy.
Usually
sometimes
they
can
get
more
complicated,
but
I'm
happy
with
whatever
councilman
bureau.
L
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman
yeah,
and
I
motioned
for
this,
because
we
hear
from
a
lot
of
folks
in
development
on
the
long
wait
that
there
is
right
now
and
the
the
significant
backlog.
I'm
not
a
fan
of
doing
this
like
on
its
face.
I'm
an
attorney,
I'm
a
father,
I'm
married.
I
I
have
hours
that
I
have
to
build.
This
is
you
know
labeled
as
a
part-time
job,
and
it's
not
and
that's
just
the
way
it
is
and
and
public
service
is
a
a
real
privilege.
L
L
This
is
after
the
next
commendation,
only
meeting
to
set
those
aside
and
so
that
we
have
less
time
for
the
commendations
only
meetings,
while
we're
doing
if
council
agrees
on
these
thursday
evening
meetings,
I
think
that's
a
good
a
way
to
mitigate
the
damages
so
to
speak
on
this
issue.
But
that's
my
thoughts.
L
Of
the
commendation
days
that
we
have
the
the
extra
meetings
on
tuesday,
not
the
ones
that
are
already
set,
of
course,
because
people
are
relying
upon
those
but
to
get
rid
of
the
commendation
only
days
that'll
just
offset
some
of
it
until
these
thursdays
are
done
just
to
address
concerns
of
people,
saying
okay,
we're
adding
more
and
more
meetings
which
are
very
legitimate
concerns.
I
have
that
concern,
but
you
know
that's
just
the
way
it
is
so
you're
going
to
have
these.
L
After
after
I,
I
think
the
last
commendation
only
day
is
in
april,
I
think
at
least
it's
set.
Okay,
that's
what
I
said.
H
Because
you
know
these
accommodations
sum
up
some
of
these
combinations,
you
know
we
feel
why
not
spending
almost
over
an
hour
and
a
half
two
hours,
sometimes
accommodations.
Yes,
and
you
get
bogged
down
in
the
agenda
thursday
and
it's
over
because
the
gym
is
so
full.
I'm
just
gonna
be
honest
and
I'm
gonna
be
honest.
Another
thing
too,
you
know
we're
gonna
add
days
and
depending
on
these
kind
of
cases
I
mean
it.
Does
us
no
good,
especially
for
me
to
sit
here
until
almost
11
12
1
o'clock?
H
I
mean
we've
done
good
so
far
I
mean
because
we
cut
it
down
but
to
add
so
many
cases
and
be
here.
It
doesn't
help
the
public.
It
doesn't
help
us
to
make
decisions
and
I'm
not
really
just
well.
I
want
to.
I
want
to
get
them
done,
but
I
don't
just
be
adding
all
these
cases.
You
know
and
we're
here
till
late
night
sure
I'm
just
I'm
not
a
fan
of
that.
L
And
if
oh,
if
I
may
just
to
clarify,
if
we
were
to
get
rid
of
the
commendation
days,
we
would
have
to
go
on
a
commendation
diet
for
the
next
five
months
to
address
those
concerns
that
councilman
gootz
very
correctly
states,
which
is
that
we're?
We
can't
spend
a
lot
of
time
accommodations.
We
have
to
go
on
a
commendation
diet
as
it
relates
to
being
within
city
council.
I
would
think
so.
Those
those
are
my
thoughts
and
interested
in
seeing
what
everybody
else
thinks.
Thank
you,
sir
mr
shelby
and
mr.
E
It
was
put,
it
was
put
out
to
see
just
so
it
would
be
on
the
calendar
if
it
worked
and
if
it
didn't,
then
you
could
always
take
it
away.
Just
so.
You
know
that
you
know
if
we
take
a
look
at
the
calendar,
it
looks
like
they've
all
they've,
already
scheduled
through
through
next
year.
E
Frankly,
when
the
presentation
to
the
ata
atu
or
the
police
officer
of
the
month,
so
those
would
all
just
have
to
be
rescheduled,
but
that's
not
that's,
not
a
problem,
but
what
I,
but
I
think
what
I
was
also
going
to
add,
is
the
concern
with
regard
to
commendations,
because,
depending
on
how
many
and
depending
what
they
are
just
like
public
comment,
it's
one
of
the
few
things
that
this
council
has
no
control
over
during
a
public
meeting.
And
if
you
have
a
five
o'clock
start
then
then
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
that.
J
Yeah,
as
as
council
member
vieira
said,
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
part-time
job.
We
signed
up
for
a
part-time
job.
The
reality
is
that
we
work
full-time.
We
I
have
two
full-time
jobs,
but
but
almost
all
day,
every
day,
and
sometimes
at
night,
working
on
city
we're
not
here
in
person
we're
we're
meeting
with
constituents
and
we're
listening.
Constituents
are
going
to
meetings
on
their
behalf.
So
it's
not
it's
not
that
we
just
work
on
thursdays.
We
work
through
the
rest
of
the
week.
J
I
have
a
legal
and
moral
obligation
to
my
kids
on
monday
and
tuesday
nights
and
I
cannot
go
to
meetings
on
monday
and
tuesday
nights.
So,
even
if
it's
on
a
short-term
basis,
I
can't
do
that.
So,
if
you
all
want
to
put
them
on
monday
and
tuesday
night,
that's
fine,
but
I
can't
attend
the
I
can
attend
monday
during
the
day.
J
I
can
attend
tuesday
during
the
day
wednesday,
during
the
day
friday,
during
the
day,
and
I
can
go
wednesday
night
thursday
night-
probably
we
would
friday
night,
but
I'm
available
all
the
times
except
monday
and
tuesday
night.
J
This,
and
so,
if
we
did
something,
I
would
want
it
also
to
be
temporary,
that
this
is
a
temporary
backlog
that
we
need
to
to
push
through,
and
I
don't
think
it
should
go
past
this
year
and
then
the
most
important
point
is
that-
and
I've
said
this
over
and
over
again,
the
public
expects
us
to
do
the
on
thursdays
and
when
we
don't
meet
on
thursdays,
they
think
one
of
two
things
one
is
we're
providing
an
imposition
to
them
a
neighborhood
another
activist
they
take
off
all
day
thursday,
sometimes
because
they
want
to
speak
a
couple
of
public
comment
or
they
take
off.
J
They
work
early
on
thursday
nights.
They
can't
they
can't.
They
complain
because
they
can't
come
on
tuesday
morning
on
tuesday
night
on
thursday
morning,
thursday
night,
because
it's
not
that
it's
an
inconvenience
for
us,
it's
an
inconvenience
for
them,
but,
more
importantly,
they
think
that
we're
trying
to
hide
something,
especially
with
land
use
cases.
J
I
would
caution
us
from
putting
them
in
the
other
days
other
than
thursdays,
but
accommodations
on
tuesdays.
I
still
think
is
not
fair
to
the
people
getting
accommodations,
because
most
people
aren't
watching
because
it's
not
on
thursday,
but
but
land
use
cases
in
particular,
I
think,
should
be
on
the
day.
People
expect
us
to
meet
on.
Thank
you.
F
F
From
thanksgiving
to
may
7th,
I
have
three
days
off
christmas,
new
year's
and
easter,
I'm
here
monday,
tuesday
and
thursday,
I'm
at
the
other
place
wednesday,
friday,
saturday
and
sunday,
and
I
feel
great
the
more
I
work,
the
more
I
feel
better,
the
better
I
feel
I
know
what
the
job
was
when
I
took
it.
I
know-
and
I've
said
it
before-
that
we
have
to
set
more
hearings
to
facilitate
what
we
have
backlog.
F
F
So
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
if
it's
wednesday,
monday,
tuesday,
night
thursday,
night
friday
night,
we
got
to
get
it
done
for
the
sake
of
having
the
city
moving
forward
and
and
not
about
developers
right
to
give
somebody
a
day
job.
No,
it's
not
about
that.
It's
about.
We
have
the
business
of
running
the
city,
and
this
is
the
business
of
the
city
council.
To
do
so,
we
got
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it
or
tell
people
you
don't
want
any
more
development
at
all
period.
F
It's
got
to
have
something
got
to
happen,
you're
stuck
in
the
and
you're
where
you're
at
you
can't
get
to
it.
When
you
get
to
it,
we
can't
hear
it
because
we
got
more
than
we
can
handle.
You
have
and
the
combination
thing
did
help.
In
fact,
I
have
three
that
I
got
to
present
that
were
the
wrong
dates
put
off
by
me
or
somebody
else,
but
it's
something
that
as
long
as
the
legal,
the
realization
of
getting
the
notices
published
on
time-
and
we
got
to
get
something
done.
F
If
we
don't,
you
think
prices
are
going
to
come
down
they're,
not
nothing
is
going
to
come
down
once
it
goes
up.
It
usually
maintains
a
steady,
steady
pace
until
you
have
what
the
falling
of
the
economy
and
then
everything
comes
up.
You
don't
have
to
worry
you're
only
going
to
have
four
or
five
cases
a
month
and
then
everybody's
going
to
say.
I
wonder
what
we
can
get
back
to
15..
F
It
is
what
it
is
the
times
mandate
what
we
have
to
do
now.
Some
months
are
much
more
than
others,
and
if
we
get
this
backlog
up,
I
think
maybe
in
five
or
six
months,
we'll
be
back
to
one
month
one
meeting
a
month,
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say
so
it
makes
no
difference
to
me
what
day
you
pick,
I'm
willing
to
do
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
I
too
have
two
jobs.
My
employer
is
the
citizens
of
tampa
my
clients
on
my
other
job
will
won't
like
it,
but
if
I
have
to
I'll
move
to
saturday
and
sunday
for
that
need
be
out
here
I'll,
be
here
five
days
a
week
I
signed
up
for
this.
I
got
elected
for
this,
my
duties
to
the
citizens.
G
G
G
G
Are
there
other
ways
in
which
we
can
change
our
code
to
help
frank
being
here
from
nine?
In
the
morning
until
12
12
at
night,
perhaps
two
to
three
days
a
week-
I
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
to
the
universe.
I'm
not
blaming
anybody,
I'm
not
pointing
fingers.
But
of
course
I
have
a
duty.
We
all
have
a
duty,
but
are
we
ever
going
to
catch
up.
I
Abby
philly,
so
I
I
can
tell
you
I
was
here
in
06
when
we
were
doing
two
full.
You
know
nights
a
month.
I
was
here
in
08
when
we
went
to
one
hearing
a
month
and
we
were
lucky
if
we
had
three
or
four
cases
because
of
the
recession,
and
I've
been
here
until
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
with
council
processing
rezonings
myself.
I
So
when
looking
at
this
and
working
with
my
team,
my
second
question
to
them
was:
okay,
part,
one
is
how
do
we
address
the
backlog,
but
part
two
is:
if
all
of
these
cases
are
being
approved,
what
are
they
going
there
for?
What
is
the
reason
behind
why
they
are
applying
and
to
me,
that's
part
b
that
I
need
to
bring
back
to.
You
is
to
do
an
analysis
of
what
you've
been
seeing
and
figure
out.
I
The
other
side
to
that
is,
it
may
be
pure
demand
and-
and
we
may
need
to
look
at
that
also,
and
that
would
be
a
part
b
as
well.
If
that
is
you
know,
looking
at
some
other
process,
we
have
talked
about
a
zoning
hearing
master
in
the
past.
We
have
talked
about
other
things
where
that
first
level
of
review
is
being
handled
by
a
different
entity,
besides
city
council,
and
so
there
have
been
other
options.
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
fully
answer
that
question
for
you
today,
and
I've
always
promised
that
I'd
be
straightforward
with
you
and
that's
where
I
am
today
today,
I'm
trying
to
answer
the
question
of
my
clients,
which
is
the
applicants
which
is
the
citizens
you
know,
which
is
the
city
and
continuing
to
move
us
forward
in
a
direction
to
address
the
housing
crisis,
to
address
getting
additional
development
in
in
an
intentional
and
meaningful
and
predictable
way,
and
I
had
many
people
reach
out
to
me
in
preparation
for
this
afternoon
many
reached
out
to
you.
I
I
have
a
young
plastic
surgeon
and
that
reached
out
to
me.
That
said,
I
bought
this
piece
of
property.
I
want
to
build
my
own
medical
office,
I
you
know
scoped
out
and
put
together
a
pro
forma
and
a
timeline
in
it,
and
I
came
and
filed
with
you
by
that
timeline,
and
now
I
won't
be
heard
till
the
end
of
the
year.
Can
you
help
me,
and
you
know
that's
our
first
response
is:
how
can
we
help
we're
here
to
help?
What
can
we
do
so
we
are.
We
are
there
with
you.
I
You
know
I
try
to
be
mindful
of
cttv
of
the
clerk's
office
or
the
legal
department
of
the
planning
commission,
because
coming
to
you
and
asking
for
another
night
means
we're
all
coming
to
you
for
another
night.
It's
not
just
you
know
going
to
show
up
there
without
the
legwork
and
the
background
going
into
it,
and-
and
that
means
more
for
us
too,
and
with
ryan
leaving
I've
even
said.
L
So
I
mean
I,
I
know
that
several
some
council
members
have
talked
about
date:
conflicts,
councilman,
carlson,
talked
about
family
issues,
I
mean,
I
don't
know
how
council
feels.
I
think
that
maybe
we
can,
you
know,
support
having
the
four
meetings
and
maybe
because
instead
of
us
getting
all
of
our
calendars
out
today
in
the
next
seven
days,
you
know
we
all
get
together
with
our
our
staff
etc,
find
days
it's
a
minimum
and
bring
it
back
next
week
is
that
is.
B
That,
I
think
yeah
that's
a
good
idea.
We
look
at
this
calendar
that
we
have
we
take
the
week
to
think
about
it,
and
then
next
thursday
is
a
regular
meeting
and
we
can
bring
it
up
under
staff
reports
last
item.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
then.
L
Sure
all
right!
Yes,
if
I
may,
I
make
the
motion
that
this
returns
to
us
next
week
for
finalized
approval
of
of
calendaring
for
the
four
days
and
and
that
council
members
be
directed
to
get
that
straightened
out.
We.
I
Yeah
just
say
one
last
thing
with
the
anticipation
that
we
would
like
to
add
in
june,
and
the
30-day
notice
requirement
and
figuring
out
what
cases
those
are
I'll
be
here
next
week
with
you
to
ensure
that
we
can
get
those
dates
secured
and
we
can
start
moving
forward.
Perfect
appreciate
your
concerns.
J
Miss
feely,
if
I
could
just
throw
out
one
idea.
You
know
I
hear
buzz
about
the
timeline
of
of
people
having
a
schedule
far
out,
but
by
far
the
biggest
complaints
I
get
are
about
permitting
and
and
the
development
staff
one,
and
I
talked
to
nicole
about
this
last
week
and
I
talked
to
the
mayor
about
it
and
also
carol
post.
I
know
carol
was
working
on
nicole
working
on
it,
but
we
had
one.
J
Some
of
the
biggest
names
in
tampa
call
me
pulling
their
hair
out
saying:
what
can
we
do
and,
and
they
you
know,
one
had
a
this
is
a
few
years
ago,
but
one
had
a
a
toilet
where
they
told
them
to
put
the
handle
on
the
right
side
and
then
put
it
on
the
left
side
and
then
another,
and
so
they
complain
that
different
inspectors
come
out
and
they
want
to
prove
things
that
site
plans
take
forever
to
approve
so
the.
J
By
far
the
most
complaints,
I
get
two
or
three
complaints
from
very
powerful
people
a
week
that
it's
that
it's
the
process
before
it's
put
on
our
agenda,
that
is
taking
so
much
time
and
that
and
that
it's
frustrating
for
them
and
then,
when
they
get
past
that
process
and
they're
already
frustrated
it's
taken
months,
then
they
say
well
now
I
have
to
wait
another
six
months
to
put
on
the
city
council
agenda.
So
I
know
you
are
working
on
this,
but
but
how
can
we?
J
I
Councilman
carlson,
I
I
appreciate
your
question.
I
I
spent
almost
an
hour
this
morning
on
the
phone
with
our
chief
building
official
related
to
this.
I
you
know,
I
think.
Sometimes
this
is
a
part
of
our
own
issue,
of
trying
to
be
accommodating
and
taking
in
permits
that
are
insufficient,
that
are
missing
parts
to
them,
so
they
get
their
first
round
of
review
and
they
didn't
have
an
electrical
plan.
They
didn't
have
a
life
safety
plan.
I
So
we
were
actually
vacillating
on
this
this
morning
and
you
know,
is
it
on
us
then,
to
draw
a
stronger
line
as
to
what
is
accepted
in
the
door
if
it's
not
sufficient
in
order
to
keep
things
moving
and
that's
how
they
end
up
with
four
reviews
or
five
review.
I
mean
trust
me
I
I
am
often
the
front
line
when
those
those
complaints
are
coming
in
the
door
and
oftentimes.
I
There
is
another
side
to
that
story
and
people
are
using
private
providers
and
we
get
a
20-story
condo
tower
that
comes
in
under
a
private
provider,
but
there
is
no
life
safety
plan
with
the
permit.
So
our
responsibility
is
to
ensure
that
these
buildings
are
constructed
safely,
they're
constructed
to
code
and
we're
not
going
to
approve
something.
That
is
not
the
way
that
it
needs
to
be.
I
mean
when
surfside
happened,
you
know
our
department,
the
first
calls
and
questions
came
into
us.
I
What
are
you
doing
to
ensure
we're
safe
and
what
we
are
doing
to
ensure
that
you're
safe
is
that
a
gc
is
actually
building
what
is
on
the
plans
and
has
been
approved
if
the
gc
has
con
not
constructed?
What
is
on
your
permit
plan?
Guess
what
either
the
construction
needs
to
be
demolished
and
reconstructed
consistent
with
the
plans
or
the
plans
need
to
be
changed
to
match
what
is
out
there.
This
is
not
only
a
protection
for
the
business
owner.
I
It's
going
to
be
right,
and
I
think
that
is
what
is
most
important
in
moving
this
forward,
to
ensure
that
what
is
out
there
is
safe,
it's
sustainable
and
it's
meeting
the
florida
building
code.
So
trust
me
when
those
calls
come
in
I'm
the
first
one
trying
to
figure
out.
Why
is
this
taking
so
long?
What
are
we
doing?
How
can
we
do
it
better?
How
can
we
fix
it
and
a
lot
of
times
the
story,
that's
being
told,
is
either
not
the
whole
story
and
it's
not
fully
our
responsibility.
I
This
is
a
partnership
to
get
these
things
done,
but
you
know
we
we
are
out
there
looking
and
we
have
a
great
team
that
continues
to
ensure
that
what
is
going
on
is
done
correctly.
Now,
like
I
said,
if
we
need
to
hold
that
entry
line
a
little
harder
where,
if
you
are
not
meeting
sufficiency
for
a
review,
we
are
not
taking
it
in
and
that
way
you
are
not
getting
the
first
set
of
comments
back
that
says,
you
need
an
electrical
plan.
I
You
need
a
florida,
you
know
building
product
approved
list,
you
need
this,
you
need
that.
We
just
won't
even
we'll
make
sure
those
things
are
in
before
it
comes
in
the
door
and
that
way
you're
not
in
the
door
and
it's
our
problem,
we're
waiting
to
get
you
in
the
door
until
everything
is
accurate
and
right.
F
F
Sometimes
you
got
12
and
13
of
them
and
five
or
six
of
them
one
continuation
in
my
book.
If
that's
what
they
want,
that
means
that
they
had
that
amount
of
time
and
they
didn't
do
the
due
diligence
they
didn't
meet
with
all
the
neighbors
or
the
ones
that
they're
supposed
to
meet
with
the
neighborhood
association,
etc,
etc,
etc,
and
then
they
want
a
continuation
in
my
book.
F
They
go
last
not
for
the
next
month,
not
for
the
following
month,
but
you
had
one
bite
at
the
apple:
not
five
bites
at
the
apple
that
weighs
the
backlog
becomes
much
smaller
and
what
misspeli
is
saying
is
don't
take
the
application
in
until
it's
completely
done
exactly
what
the
code
calls
for.
If
not
you
put
them
in
and
guess
what
backlogs
that
come
here.
They
want
a
continuation.
I
But
it
could,
I
I
believe
you
know
abby
philly,
I
believe
councilman
mirinda,
you
you're
correct
people
can
file
on
a
cella
and
they
can
get
a
case
number
and
they
think
I
I'm
in
the
system,
I'm
in
the
next
rotation,
I'm
on
I'm
on
for
that
agenda.
If
you
are
not
sufficient,
you
are
not
on
for
that
agenda
and
you
are
going
to
get
moved
out
if.
F
Somehow
we
could
fix
that
rexella
or
ida,
her
cousin
or
whatever.
It
is
that
you
get
these
things
in
and
when
you
hit
for
it
that
comes
into
if
it
doesn't
meet
the
requirements
or
the
following
things:
it's
not
taken
in
it's
given
back
within
a
couple
of
days
time
so
that
they
can
fix
it
because
it's
getting
cumbersome
because
the
process
is
flawed.
Not
because
of
you.
F
It's
a
system,
that's
working
on
it
that
they
want
to
date,
because
they
know
they've
got
a
lot
of
competition,
but
they're
not
prepared
to
send
in
they
send
it
in
to
get
a
date.
And
now,
when
they
come
here,
they're
not
prepared.
So
guess
what
I
want
a
next
meeting
or
then
follow
it.
Make
it
two
years
from
now
see
how
it
changes
right
quickly.
F
B
I
see
nicole
travis
has
her
hand
up
and
then
councilman
goose
counts
with
citroen.
Yes,
ma'am.
C
Good
afternoon
council,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
abby
for
making
the
presentation
and
making
the
case
and
going
through
really
the
details
and
the
nuances
of
code
requirements,
and
our
first
goal
is
public
safety.
That
is
our
number
one
goal,
because
councilman
carlson
to
your
point,
you
were
taught
not
there's
a
couple
issues
going
on
here.
You
have
your
land
use
and
zoning
hearings,
you
have
permit
and
site
plan
review,
and
then
you
also
have
inspections
and
consumer
carlson.
You
were
talking
about
inspections.
C
Side,
like
ms
fili
said,
holding
the
line
when
applications
are
not
complete
is
one
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
both
dedicated
to
working
on,
but
there's
also
the
planned
review
and
inspection
piece,
and
I
will
take
accountability
for
some
of
that
you
get
one
bite
of
the
apple
developers
need
predictability
so,
which
is
why
we're
here
before
you
trying
to
get
new
additional
council
meeting
days,
but
this
is
also
on
the
permitting
sign
councilman
carlson
you
get
one
bite
of
the
apple.
C
Public
safety
is
our
number
one
priority,
but
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
as
well
to
be
more
transparent,
accountable
and
do
thorough
reviews
and
ms
feli
and
I
have
been
working
on
some
details
on
how
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
thorough
reviews
so
that
we
could
get
comments
sufficient
comments
back
for
the
information
that's
provided.
C
H
Glad
for
those
two
points,
because
you
know
you
get
one
inspector
that
says
it's
48
inches
the
other
one
says
you
know
it
should
have
been
42.
You
know
it's
just
the
consistency
has
to
be
there,
but
what
I
also
see
as
well
in
the
last
case
we
had
sent
over
is
that
you're
right
some
of
these
gcs.
They
should
know
what
the
codes
are.
H
G
G
I
If,
if
abby
feely,
director
of
development
and
growth
management,
if
a
application
is
denied-
and
they
wish
to
resubmit,
if
they
have
addressed
those
issues
under
which.
G
I
G
You
for
articulating
articulating
my
point
so
well,
so
we
should.
It
is
my
opinion
that
we
should
stop
redesigning
from
the
dais.
Petitioners
should
expect
an
up
or
down
vote
and
know
the
consequences,
because
they
have
already
heard
from
us
on
the
reasons
why
we
don't
like
it
or
don't
want
to
pass
it
so
councilman
randy
new
york,
correct.
Thank
you,
mr
philip.
Thank
you,
mr.
B
B
F
Three
just
the
ones
that
the
the
wrong
dates
and
I'm
just
going
to
mention
the
name
of
the
person
and
we're
going
to
change
it.
It
came
out
thursday
april
7th.
It
should
be
tuesday
april
12
for
mr
bukhari,
that's
one
of
them
and
the
second
one
to
ryan
manassee.
It
should
be
not
april
the
7th
but
april
12th
and
through
the
moffett
minority
cancer
awareness
month.
It
should
not
be
april
7th,
it
should
be
april,
12
2022
and
I'm
giving
it
back
to
the
closing.
I
J
Yes,
if
I
could
remember
when
morris
massey
was
there
earlier,
we
talked
about
the
ccna
process
and
my
wording
on
this
might
not
be
perfect,
but
I
I
would
just
like
him
to
come
back
with
his
ideas
on
on
how
to
how
to
how
to
put
some
guard
rails
around
that
process,
so
just
to
if
we,
if
we're
gonna,
go,
for
example,
from
a
six
million
dollar
contract,
or
it
sounds
like
today,
a
one
million
dollar
contract
to
108
million
dollar
contract.
J
There
should
be
more
steps
in
between
and
it
sounds
like
he
and
the
administration
are
in
favor
of
doing
something
like
that.
So
I
I
would-
and
I
don't
have
a
date,
but
I
I
would
move
to
a
city-
ask
the
city
attorney's
office
to
report
back
to
council
on
whatever
day
as
to
ways
we
can
put
limits
on
the
ccna
process
to
provide
more
transparency,
competitive
bids,
especially
on
expanding
budgets
above
a
certain
limit.
Second,
do.
B
May
5th
is
getting
pretty
busy,
so
we
have
a
motion
from
council
member
carlson,
second
council
member
vieira-
yes,
sir
all
in
favor
aye
anything
else.
Thank
you.
If.
J
E
Can
just
for
clarification,
council,
member
carlson,
that's
to
come
back
with
recommendations,
that's
preliminary
or
not
to
come
back
with
finished
product!
That's
what
I'm
asking
just.
E
B
Thank
you,
mr
shelby,
everyone's
back,
so
do
you
have
anything?
Yes.
E
I
I
do
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
with
regard
to
the
position
of
of
chair
pro
tem,
that's
really
not
really
spelled
out
in
your
rules
of
procedure
and,
as
you
know,
right
now
that
that
position
is
vacant.
So
I'm
wondering
whether
the
council
wants
to
make
a
motion
just
for
future
reference
that
if
you
are
not
here
who
would
act
as
chair
pro
tem.
B
E
And
that's,
and
so
that
that's
the
clear
understanding
I
just
wanted
the
public
to
be
aware
of
that
that
you
do
have
somebody
who
would
be
acting
as
the
chairperson.
L
J
I,
if,
if
you
need
it
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
make
miss
rihanna
the.
B
Temporary
member
carlson
nominating
councilman
vieira
as
chair
pro
tem.
Second
from
council
member
goods,
all
in
favor.
B
I'm
kidding,
then
I
hand
you
the
gavel.
I
have
one
motion.
Yes,
sir.
On
january
27
2022
a
motion
was
made
by
council
member
ding,
felder
and
seconded
by
myself.
The
motion
read
as
follows:
that
staff
in
the
legal
department
be
requested
to
report
back
and
discuss
the
possibility
of
amending
the
code
or
city
rules
that
would
not
allow
a
petitioner
or
his
her
representative
to
proffer
any
testimony
or
evidence
of
matters
that
can't
be
enforced
further.
That
said,
report
be
brought
back
on
april,
7th
under
staff
reports.
A
new
business.