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Good
afternoon
Council
Eric
Khan
development
coordination.
Can
we
get
the
presentation
up
from
where
we
left
off
awesome?
So
this
is
I
think
the
moment
we've
been
waiting
for
which
is
accessory
dwelling
units
and
the
proposed
changes
to
the
code.
E
So
accessory
drawing
is
just
for
some
quick
background
they're
allowed
in
the
city
in
two
locations,
one
Lowry
Park
Central,
which
was
a
privately
initiated
text,
Amendment,
2003-2004
time
frame
and,
of
course,
in
Seminole
Heights,
which
was
adopted
by
council.
Is
this
when
City
adopted
its
sh
districts?
E
E
E
E
Okay,
so
one
of
the
appeals
that
city
council
heals
hears
on
a
regular
basis
is
when
someone
applies
to
either
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
Seminole
Heights
or
an
extended
family
residence
elsewhere
in
the
city
they're,
putting
it
into
a
detached
structure
in
the
backyard.
That's,
instead
of
being
at
the
required
three
feet.
Three
feet
is
at
two
and
a
half
feet.
Administratively
staff
denies
that
request.
They
appeal
to
council
and
Council.
E
You
know,
here's
the
arguments
and
probably
95
percent
of
the
time,
has
waived
that
required
setback
and
granted
a
relief
to
that
section
of
chapter
27
132..
So
the
language
that's
up
here
is
for
language,
for
both
for
extended
family
resonances
and
for
accessory
dwelling
units
is
very
similar
for
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
It
cannot
be
located
in
an
accessory
in
a
non-conforming
accessory
structure
structure
made
conforming
as
a
result
of
a
variance
extended
family
resident
mimics,
the
same
exact
language.
E
What
this
is
proposing
is
is
allowing
staff
to
approve
those
instances
where
the
structure
is
non-conforming.
So,
instead
of
having
to
come
to
council
for
a
petition
for
review
and
adding
on
another
45
60
days
worth
of
time,
this
would
eliminate
that
it
would
not
what
happens
now.
For
those
of
you
who
came
from
the
parents
review
board,
you
know
chair
of
citro,
and
you
know
councilwoman
hertek,
when
a
variance
is
granted
that
structure
now
has
standing
so
to
speak,
to
stay
there.
E
So
if
they
were
to
remodel
in
the
future,
knock
it
down,
they
could
go
back
to
that
two
foot
setback,
but
this
language,
if
it's
approved
they
want
to,
they
knock
down
that
structure.
It
catches
on
fire,
whatever
they
have
to
put
it
back
to
the
required,
except
back
to
the
zoning
District
that
it's
in
so
that
would
meet
that
requirement.
C
G
G
I
believe
in
what
I
call
it
the
racetrack
trust
but
verify
so
how
do
we
know
their
family
member?
Do
we
do
do
we
have
to?
In
other
words,
when
you
come
into
this
country,
you
have
to
fill
out
a
bunch
of
forms,
you
have
to
be
processed
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
and
you
put
a
family
member
to
check
all
that
out.
Do
we
really
check
them
out
if
we
take
their
word.
E
G
G
There's
houses
have
been
there
for
30
years
and
have
had
an
accessory
dwelling
without
residency
of
a
dwelling
of
a
member
and
those
when
you
look
at
the
I
mean.
Let
me
use
an
example
like
I
did
today.
Let's
say
my
house
where
I
live
at
it's
800
a
year
taxes
because
I
live
as
a
homestead,
but
a
house
like
mine.
That's
not
homesteaded!
It's
about
three
thousand
dollars
a
year,
because
why
it's
no
longer
a
single
family
use
and
not
Homestead.
G
Believe
me,
when
I
tell
you,
there
was
232
of
these
found
in
a
small
section
of
where
I
live,
so
notice,
I'm,
not
mentioning
names
of
the
where
I
live.
That
was
only
a
small
section,
so
this
could
be
a
thousand
of
them
where
I
live.
Now
the
school
board
was
looking
for
money,
so
in
my
and
I
looked
at
my
bill
just
last
night
and
I
say
I'm
gonna
round
it
off
to
two
thousand
dollars.
G
You
know
how
much
revenue
is
being
left
on
the
table
Millions
just
because
it's
because
I'm
not
blaming
this
Administration.
Let
me
say
that
I'm
not
blaming
this
Administration,
that's
been
going
on
for
various
administrations,
so
now
I'm
supposed
to
take
this
and
swallow
the
pill
in
my
same
neighborhood
and
one
block
there's
three
of
them,
one
very
close
to
where
I
live
got
at
least
three
to
four
Apartments.
G
G
It
doesn't
take
the
kid
from
Ybor
City
to
understand
that
in
fact,
10
15
years
ago,
I
guess
what
at
my
own
house
where
I
lived,
I
got
sighted
and
I
said
how
can
I
be
running
when
you
can't
get
in
the
back
of
the
front.
The
locks
on
the
inside
not
on
the
outside
and
I,
showed
it
to
him
nothing
there.
G
G
E
Those
what
you're
describing
it
would
not
be
legal.
This
is
not
address
those
issues
at
all
those
those
are
code,
enforcement
issues
and
code
enforcement,
I
mean
you're
aware
they
did.
They
did
a
sweep
of
West
Tampa
about
10
years
ago,
and
they
cited
a
number
of
of
residents
that
were
like
that.
The
ones
that
are
illegal
get
cited,
the
ones
that
are
not
illegal
would
not
be
cited.
This
wouldn't
address
that
anyway.
This
is
for
this
is
for
extended
family
residences,
which
is
still
an
issue.
G
H
A
E
I
I'm,
just
I
was
going
to
say
this
com.
This
comment
for
later,
but
since
it's
been
brought
up
about
extended
family
residences,
I
find
this
topic.
The
difference
between
accessory
dwelling
units
and
extended
family
residence
is
very
confusing
and
I
really
think
that
we
should
just
do
away
with
extended
family
residences
and
find
a
way
to
just
put
it
all
together.
J
I
Going
to
say
that
right
now
and
I
would
really
love
to
have
a
discussion
on
that
at
some
point,
because
this
is
confusing
he's
right,
we
we
simply
do
not
have
enough
Code
Enforcement
Officers,
to
maintain
to
to
check
on
these
things,
and
yes,
do.
I
I
realize
that
that
might
have
some
tax
implications
for
some
people.
We
we
again.
This
is
why
we
need
to
discuss
it,
but
it
is
too
much
of
a
burden
on
the
city.
I
technically
have
an
extended
family
residence.
I
In
my
in
in
seven
years,
no
one's
ever
come
to
investigate
they've,
sent
letters
and
we've
set
up
times,
and
then
they
keep
canceling.
So
it's
you
know
we're
supposed
to
you're
supposed
to
be
checked
once
a
year,
and
it's
just
never
happened
for
us.
So
it's
one
of
those
things
that
if
it's
not
happening
for
me,
it's
probably
not
happening
for
other
people
and
then
other
people
are.
I
K
E
Currently,
in
the
code
for
both
an
extended
family
resonance
and
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
they're
both
special
use
ones,
which
is
the
administrative
process,
requires
notice
in
their
specific
standards
that
that
an
applicant
has
to
meet
for
the
EF
for
the
extended
family.
One
of
those
was,
you
know
the
name.
It
has
to
be
a
relative
can't
be
separately
metered.
Those
kinds
of
issues
but
they're,
both
special
uses
require
notice.
We
review
they
submit
a
site
plan
review
the
site
plan.
E
K
All
right,
so,
let's
ask
this
question
here:
regardless
this
was
a
family
member.
It's
just
a
it's
a
dwell.
It's
a
back
dwelling!
So
even
if
you
didn't
have
a
family
member
living
there
shouldn't
that
still
be
registered,
or
could
we
put
that
Implement
that,
regardless
of
a
family
member
that
way
we're
collecting
the
taxes
on
that.
E
Well,
my
understanding
from
the
Property
Appraiser's
office
is
extended.
Family
residences,
because
they're
not
income
generated,
do
not
are
not
taxed,
they
don't
they're,
not
there's
no
additional
tax
on
them
accessory
dwelling
units,
which
is
what
we're
going
to
be
discussing
later
on
in
this
presentation,
are
taxed.
The
property
pressure
does
assign
a
value
to
then
they
do
taxes.
E
G
E
G
Now
we're
saying
that,
because
we
have
a
and
I
can
show
you
where
people
have
enclosed
their
carport
and
charging
six
or
seven
hundred
dollars
on
the
side
of
a
carport
is
no
bigger
than
from
here
to
Mr
Right
Square,
it's
let's
say
16
by
10
and
they're
getting
600
a
month.
This
is
a
toilet
a
little
bit
and
a
TV
set
and
you're
cooking
a
little
Coleman
gas
stove
or
whatever
that's
right,
I
played
and
all
that
so.
E
Those
units
like
that
are
illegal.
What
happens
when
I'll
be
honest
with
you
when
people
come
in
and
they
file
for
they
get
cited
by
code
enforcement?
They
go
through
a
process
called
a
formal
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
where
they
try
to
present
evidence
that
that
use
was
legally
established
either
a
prior
to
zoning,
or
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
They
were
established
three
years
ago.
E
Formal
decisions
denied
code
enforce
and
then
continues
with
that
process
of
Code
Enforcement
to
make
them
remove,
try
to
make
them
remove
the
the
second
unit
when
people
come
in
and
they
talk
to
me
and
they
say
we're
going
to
approve
outside
just
so.
You
know
that
if
it's
fighting
in
your
favor,
the
property
appraiser
will,
on
occasion
go
back
and
try
to
collect
back
taxes
on
people.
If,
if
the
units
were
legally
were
illegally
established
or
legally
established,
they
have
the
ability
to
go
back
and
actually
say
Hey.
E
L
L
I
just
want
to
pull
it
back
to
that,
for
a
second
is
that
you've
had
several
appeals,
come
to
you
over
the
past
couple
years,
related
to
non-conforming
structures,
structures
that
have
a
two
foot
setback
instead
of
a
three
for
a
detached
unit,
that's
already
existing
on
a
property,
and
they
want
to
put
either
an
extended
family
residence
in
there
or
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
there,
and
the
change
we
had
proposed
was
that
the
code
currently
doesn't
allow
it
because
it's
non-conforming
when
they
come
to
you
on
appeal,
you're,
granting
it
and
saying
okay,
we're
going
to
let
that
use
go
in
there,
and
that
makes
that
structure
then
conforming,
because
you're
granting
that
this
says
will
allow
them
to
go
into
those
non-conforming
structures
the
way
they
are
now
and
it
leaves
those
structures
as
non-conforming
so
I
know.
L
G
No
one
said
that
we're
the
taxi
unit
but,
however,
we're
the
ones
that
are
letting
it
happen,
we're
the
ones
that,
for
one
reason
or
another
code
enforcement,
maybe
works
on
Saturdays
or
Sundays
I,
don't
really
know
I
know
they
do
go
out.
If
they're
called
we
don't
have
the
proper
tools
to
let
them
do
their
job
fully.
They
can
cite
somebody
and
I,
don't
know
what
happened
I.
In
fact,
the
other
day
I
was
driving
around
I.
G
Remember
three
of
them
on
one
street
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
addresses
on
because
all
of
a
sudden
we
had
it
on
the
agenda
three
or
four
years
ago,
and
then,
when
I
was
driving
around
it
disappeared
and
I
never
heard
what
happened.
It
was
supposed
to
come
to
council.
It
was
set
for
another
date
and
never
came
back.
If.
G
Tests
we'd
be
happy
to
get
back
with
you
on
that,
but
I
just
want
Clarity
that
it's
got
to
stop.
There's
over
a
thousand
units
that
I
can
point
out
to
you.
I
know
232
for
sure.
In
a
small
area,
you
multiply
it
about
10
times
the
area
I
make
an
assumption.
There's
got
to
be
a
thousand
there's,
not
one
block
where
I
live.
That
doesn't
have
at
least
one
or
two
of
them,
and
nobody
does
anything.
I.
G
L
L
G
I
I
Yeah,
that's
fine,
because,
as
long
as
we
can
use
the
structures
that
are
habitable
or
that
that
could
possibly
be
used,
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
historic
garages
in
some
parts
of
the
community
that
we
actually
on
the
variance
review
board,
saw
several
of
those,
so
I
wouldn't
want
that
to
be
stopped.
But
okay,
thank
you
that
answers
my
question.
Yeah.
L
Because
the
challenge
today
is
when
they
appeal
it
and
you
grant
it
in
the
two
and
two
or
whatever
that
setback
is
zero,
that's
what
they
get
if
it
burns
down,
they
get
to
go
back
to
zero,
and
our
goal
with
non-conformities
in
the
city
is
to
eventually
have
those
things
become
conforming,
so
we
don't
want
to
continue
to
proliferate
them.
We
want
to
identify
them,
use
them
and
then,
when
they've
lived
their
lives
have
things
conformed
to
the
code.
Thank
you.
C
Any
of
the
comments,
questions
10
if
I
may
Miss
Miss
feeling
are
we
just
talking
setback
conformities
or
are
we
talking
height?
Are
we
talking
permeable
spaces
since
they're
all
non-conforming
to
those?
Also,
if
you
have
an
accessory
structure
in
your
backyard
and
it
meets
its
head
backs,
but
it's
30
excuse
me:
15
foot
is
a
height
for
an
accessory
structure.
If
it's
25
feet,
are
we
conforming
that
also?
That
would
be
correct.
L
C
I
About
and
structure
yeah,
so
no
just
so
yes
say
you
have
an
existing
structure,
that's
two
feet
and
it
burns
down
and
you
have
an
apartment
and
a
garage
under
it.
And
then
you
want
to
rebuild
it
because
it
burnt
down.
You
would
in
essence
not
be
able
to
do
that,
because
you
would
only
have
15
feet
height
or.
L
You
meet
principal
structure,
setbacks
in
order
to
go
above
15
feet
in
height,
you
meet
principal
structure,
setbacks,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
in
the
new
Adu
construction.
I
want
to
try
to
handle
these.
It's
a
very
multi-faceted
discussion,
but
I
do
want
to
try
to
handle
these
one
step
at
a
time.
So
the
first
was
hey.
Let's
get
a
different
definition
for
this
in
our
code,
the
second
was
allowing
them
in
non-conforming
structures
which
currently
they're
not
allowed.
M
A
lot
of
people
online
and
other
places
have
been
asking
about.
Airbnbs.
Are
we
does
this
I
know
where
preempted
by
state
law?
Does
this
allow
people
to
have
two
two
places
for
Airbnb,
or
is
it
all
one.
L
I,
don't
know
that
us
allowing
this
in
non-conforming
structures
is
going
to
be
impacting
how
Airbnb,
B
and
B,
if
it.
If
you
have
two
units
on
your
property
today
in
Hyde,
Park
and
you're,
allowed
to
Airbnb.
Both
of
them
you'd
be
allowed
to
Airbnb
were
preempted
by
the
state
and
the
regulation
of
the
Airbnb.
L
C
N
Thank
you,
sir
appreciate
that
quick
question.
I
know
this
was
mentioned
before
for
the
for
this
adus
Etc
places
with
deed
restrictions,
Etc
cdds
whatnot.
Obviously
this
would
be
an
applicable
I,
would
assume
correct.
That's
what
I
thought,
because
much
of
New
Tampa,
for
example,
this
wouldn't
be
applicable
for
it
I
mean
I,
think
that's
open
and
obvious,
but
just
to
say
it
yeah
and
and
something
that
councilman
Carlson
mentioned
with
the
Airbnb.
N
That's
you
know
a
concern
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
it's
something
that
we
really
you
know
if
we
do
go
forward
with
something
on
adus
which
I
I
support,
I,
think
it's
something
that
is
smart,
especially
right
now
with
our
house
in
crisis,
but
we
obviously
have
to
measure
and
keep
tab
of
any
unintended
consequences
and
whatnot,
and
we
have
to
you
know
just
keep
abreast
of
that.
N
K
Only
thing
I'm
leery
about
is,
you
know:
Mr
Beer
brought
it
up
good
point.
You
know
certain
communities
have
cdds
and
deep
restricted
areas
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
putting
these
all
over
the
city,
especially
in
some
other
already
blotted
communities,
will
bring
out
more
bright,
I'm
kind
of
nervous
about
the
Construction
and
building
of
these
I
mean
permanent
things.
I'm
just
concerned
I
just
I
just.
L
These
are
existing
non-conforming
structures
that
are
on
the
ground
today
and
could
they
be
allowed
to
use
those
for
either
efr
extend
family
residents
or
accessory
dwelling
units
we're
still
on
what
we
have
in
the
city
today
we
haven't
gotten
any
of
the
new
stuff.
Yet
we'll
promise
you
when
we
get
there
we'll,
let
you
know
we're
not
there
yet
so
that
that's
where
we
are
on
this
item
is
there
all
existing
either
detached?
They
are
detached
accessory
structures
that
either
don't
comply
with
a
setback
or
a
height
regulation.
I
Just
so
just
just
a
thought:
maybe
we
should
approve
these
as
we
go,
because
the
first
one
approving
the
definition
I
think
we're
all.
Okay
with
that
at
this
point,
I
think
we're
all
okay
with
this
at
this
point
just
so,
we
don't
get
confused
down
the
road,
because
obviously
we
are
having
a
lot
of
conversations
as
we
go.
How
does
everybody
feel
about
that?
L
Action
I
had.
G
I
I
G
Hurt
seconded,
can
we
Define
it?
One
is
families
family
for
family
abuse
and
the
other
one
is
not
we're.
C
I
Later,
I,
don't
think
that's
part
of
what
we're
doing
here,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
make
that
motion
later
about
taking
out
extended
family
or
at
least
discussing
it.
But
this
is
just
the
language
of
non-conforming
to
conforming
right.
E
C
C
O
I'll
be
speaking
a
few
times,
but
I'll
keep
it
brief.
I
just
want
to
summarize
why
this
is
important.
A
path
to
compliance
for
illegal
adus
is
something
I
think
everyone
agrees
we
should
have.
If
we
didn't
have
that,
and
we
just
said
we
were
going
to
tear
down
every
single
illegal
edu
in
the
city
that
would
be
destroying
thousands
of
affordable
homes
and
finally
I'm
on
the
fence
on
this.
O
This
really
depends
on
the
extent
to
you
to
which
you
believe
that
homeowners
would
provide
affordable
housing,
but
I
will
say
the
the
smaller
unit,
the
family,
one
is,
you
know
not
paying
taxes
on
it
and
it
being
smaller,
make
that
the
most
affordable
type
of
housing
that
we
have
in
the
city.
So
that's.
O
G
Comments
again
just
say
that
I
I
can't
vote
for
this,
because
it's
the
accessory
dwellings
and
it's
non-conforming
and
it's
not
it's
for
both
extended
family
and
it's
actually
running
for
anyone
and
they're
not
going
to
let
them
have
it
for
free
they're,
going
to
charge
and
they're,
not
paying
anybody.
Anything
and
they're
just
living
off
the
fat
of
the
land.
I
Just
to
respond
to
to
comment
I
agree
that
those
are
cheap.
However,
my
concern
is
habitability,
so
just
because
something
is
Affordable
doesn't
mean,
it
should
be
that
it's
that
it
is
habitable
and
I
think
what
we
are
all
trying
to
do
is
move
from
housing.
That
is
not
legal
right
now
and
I.
Believe
all
of
us
have
it
in
our
goals
to
do
whatever
it
takes
to
make
that
habitable,
to
bring
people
into
compliance,
because
we
want
people
to
to
definitely
be
living
in
somewhere,
that's
safe,
but
also
affordable
and
I.
I
Don't
think
we
have
to
decide
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
decide
one
or
the
other
I
think
we
can
have
both.
C
Any
other
comments-
I
I,
just
have
to
make
this
comment
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
vote
Yes
for
this,
but
we
need
to
talk
about
this
much
further.
It
goes
further
than
what
councilman
Miranda
is
saying.
If
someone
walks
walks
into
an
accessory
dwelling,
he
says
I
want
to
rent
it.
I'd
like
to
sign
a
lease
the
owner
says:
no,
you
don't
need
to
worry
about
a
lease
meaning
that
they're
not
going
to
report
this,
so
they
don't
have
to
pay
taxes
on
it.
C
It's
affordable
now,
but
that
rent
could
be
increased
at
any
time
the
person
wants
to
so
I
am
going
to
vote
Yes,
but
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
this
further.
We
have
motion
made
by
councilman
councilwoman
her
tax
seconded
by
councilman,
Vieira,
councilman
Maniscalco,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
Is
there
any
opposed
I.
C
E
E
What
this
is
proposing
is
to
remove
them
from
being
requiring
the
special
use
approval
and
allowing
them
to
be
permitted
elsewhere
in
the
city,
and
let
me
go
to
the
next
slide
real,
quick
right
now,
the
the
code
would
propose
them
to
be
allowed
in
the
central,
Tampa,
Westshore
and
University
planning
districts
by
right,
so
anybody
who
has
could
could
have
could
apply
through
permitting
and
establish
an
Adu
in
any
of
those
areas
that
are
shown
on
the
screen,
so
we
created
for
proposing
specific
standards
for
those
uses
or
for
that
use
right
now.
E
Some
of
this
has
been
making
wasn't
currently
in
Seminole
Heights,
which
was
previously
approved
by
Council,
which
is
maximum
size,
is
950
square
feet.
The
accessory
dwelling
unit
can
only
be
could
only
be
on
a
piece
of
property.
That's
owner,
occupied
in
the
front
to
the
main
house
would
have
to
be
owner
occupied.
E
You
can
design
it
either
in
either
within
a
single
family
home.
So
it's
like
a
like
I'll
use.
Happy
Days,
where,
like
the
attic,
was
on
top
where
our
Fonzie
would
would
rent
out
from
the
cunninghams
or
in
a
separate
accessory
structure
like
a
detached
dwelling
unit
or
whatever,
no
more
than
two
people
and
the
accessory
structure
at
any
given
time,
and
you
could
separately
meter
the
structure
itself.
I
I
have
a
problem
with
B
only
because
a
they're
everywhere
I
can
give
you
a
huge
list
right
now,
where
the
front
and
back
are
being
rented
in
my
neighborhood
and
it's
it's
not
it's
not
a
huge
problem,
but
I'm
also
what
I've
heard
from
landlords
in
the
past
week.
Knowing
this
is
coming
up
is
saying:
hey
we
actually
have
the
capital
to
put
these
in
and
we
would
do
it
with
our
existing
rental
housing.
So
I
would
really
like
to
look
at
that
further,
but
the
other
one
for
me
is
d.
I
I
Okay,
I'm,
sorry,
yes,
this
no
okay,
I
got
I
so
never
mind.
So
my
my
concern
is
B,
because
this
is
what
I'm
hearing
from
from
constituents
that
our
landlords
are
saying.
They
would
like
to
use
this
to
increase
the
housing
stock.
E
Yeah
well
the
the
basis
for
that
requirement.
That's
currently,
what's
in
the
code
now
for
Seminole
Heights,
some
of
the
basis
for
those
of
I
think
councilman
Miranda
was
on
Council,
maybe
back
when
the
Zoning
for
Sulfur
Springs
went
into
effect
and
there's
only
one
from
single
family
to
Art
due
and
part
of
that.
I
was
talking
to
Susan
Swift,
who
was
here
this
morning
because
she
was
with
the
city
when
that
took
place.
E
Was
the
logic
on
those
was
you'd,
have
a
duplex
owner-occupied
rental
and
what
ended
up
happening
was
both
ended
up
being
rental
units
and
there
was
no
ownership
to
the
neighborhood
and
that's
like
that's
where
staff
is
coming
from.
Based
on
that
experience
and
with
the
current
language
and
the
code
to
require
one
to
be
owner
occupied
before
you
could
rent
out
the
back
That's
the
basis
of
that
requirement.
I
S
but
I
think
it
hamstrings
people
I
mean
in
our
neighborhood.
We
have
one
of
my
neighbors
owns.
You
know:
12
different
rental
properties,
at
least
in
the
neighborhood,
and
our
houses
are
impeccably
maintained.
I
mean
she
has
high
standards
for
her
tenants,
but
we
have
incredibly
deep
Lots
in
Seminole
Heights.
She
would
love
to
build
accessory
dwelling
units
to
provide
more
housing,
but
if,
if
she
can't,
if
she
doesn't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that,
I
mean
that's:
that's
12
more
units,
so
I
I
hesitate
maybe
on
smaller
Lots,
but.
E
L
If
I
can
for
just
a
second
Abby
feely,
so
these
criteria
came
out
of
the
preliminary
discussion
we
had
with
you
all
in
June
and
we
developed
these
five
after
comparing
notes
working
with
Stephen,
you
know
and
and
coming
together
and
and
writing
this
code
to
say:
okay,
here's
where
we're
going
to
start!
So
that's!
What's
before
you
today!
Here's
where
we're
starting!
If
you
don't
want
a
b
c
and
d,
and
you
just
want
him
to
be
whatever
I
mean
it,
it's
it's
at
the
purview
of
council.
N
Thank
you
and
again
confirming
I
mean
I'm
and
I'm.
Supportive
of
this
I
think
that
by
and
large
I
mean,
obviously
there
could
be
unintended
consequences,
but
but
generally
supportive,
but
again
confirming
the
restricted
neighborhoods.
Three,
three,
six,
four,
seven
Etc.
Would
it
be
affected
by
this
correct,
correct.
N
Just
because
I'm
OCD,
another
thing
that
I
would
recommend
is
that
maybe
because
again
unintended
consequences
of
this
is
that
maybe
we
found
motion,
maybe
councilwoman
her
attack,
who
brought
this
up
and
again
very
supportive,
maybe
to
look
at
this
returning
back
to
us
in
nine
months
a
year
whatever
it
may
be,
just
to
see
how
it's
going
and
what
any
unintended
consequences
are
through.
However,
we
may
pull
the
numbers
together,
so
just
something
that
I
would
suggest,
maybe
be
done
if
you'd
be
amenable
today.
N
A
H
I
I
That's
probably
further
down
in
the
future
several
years
in,
but
absolutely
to
keep
to
keep
bringing
this
up.
But
but
what
we're
hearing
now
and
loud
and
clear
from
residents
is,
we
don't
have
enough
places
for
people
to
live
and
literally
anything
else
we
can
do
to
encourage
people
to
build.
These
would
be
what
I
would
support,
but
I
would
absolutely
support
coming
back
in
a
year
or
so
with
more
with
with
us.
I
You
know,
maybe
a
code
enforcement
look
or
something
like
that.
Thank.
G
On
this
one
here,
I
look
at
it
and
there's
something
that
I've
been
single
out
here.
An
accessory
dwelling
may
be
designated
to
be
located,
designed
to
be
located
within
a
single
family
dwelling
with
a
separate
entrance,
and
that's
happening
all
over
now.
If
we
pass
this,
all
those
that
have
been
doing
this
for
years
collecting
and
not
paying
I,
don't
want
to
be
an
accessory
to
a
crime,
and
then
that
c
and
e
c
and
e
contradict
each
other
and
accessory
dwelling
may
be
separately
metered
for
utilities,
they're
not
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why?
G
They're
not
because
they
get
in
a
they
get
a
house
they're
divided,
they
change
the
walls,
they
add
restrooms,
they
put
minor
kitchens
in
them
and
guess
what
now
you
got
three
and
four
units
in
a
house
and
you're
collecting
and
what
what
happens
the
key
to
this?
The
first
thing:
they
do.
They
fence
it
off
with
a
plastic
fence.
The
next
thing
they
do
so
one
of
the
utility
you
can't
follow
is
to
put
solar.
G
So
your
electric
bill
is
less,
but
they
can't
put
four
meters
in
the
house.
They
only
have
one
meter
and
that's
the
only
way
you
can
verify
by
checking
the
average
flow
of
water
within
that
block.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things.
C
and
and
E
contradict
each
other
within
a
single
family
dwelling
with
a
separate
entrance
or
an
accessory
structures.
I
can
show
you
houses
now,
where
they've
got
four
doors
on
the
outside
they've
marked
apartment,
a
b
c
and
d.
E
E
E
Right,
but
under,
but
under
zoning,
that
would
be
what
your
description
describing
this
for
dwelling
units,
not
one
anymore,
but
this
is
basically
allowing
is.
As
councilwoman
hertek
was
saying,
the
people
who
have
a
single
family
home
in
front
they
would
be
able
and
they'd
build
an
accessory
drawing
unit.
E
They
could
have
that
separately,
metered
and
not
have
to
jump
the
meter
from
the
electric
from
the
main
house
back
to
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
so
that
could
have
its
own
meter
receive
its
own
bill
from
Tico
City
water
would
have
its
own,
it
would
have
its
own
water
and
sanitary
sewer
meter.
That's
what
the
logic
that's,
what
the
the
impetus
behind
the
language
is
basically
going
to
allow
we're
not
in
no
nothing
in
this
is
is
attempting
to
make
what
you're
describing
legal.
I
I'm
gonna
make
a
I.
We
don't
really
quite
have
a
motion
for
this,
yet
I
mean
I
sort
of
did,
but
but
the
the
I
think
the
bigger
discussion
that
we
all
need
to
have
in
another
meeting
is
how
is
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
for
staff
to
bring
about
a
plan
for
bringing
non?
I
You,
let's
just
yeah
so
for
bringing
illegal
accessory
dwellings
adus,
how
family
I
guess
we'll
use
both
language
at
this
point,
accessory
dwellings
and
extended
family
resonances
or
just
not.
I
That's
and
so
a
motion
for
staff
to
bring
back
a
plan
for
bringing
illegal
residential
units
into
compliance
like
one
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
about
is
maybe
a
year
of
amnesty
I
know:
East
Tampa
CRA
is
talking
about
a
rental
assistance
program
for
making
rental
structures
habitable
like
going
to
the
landlords
and
saying
hey,
you
know
we'll
we'll
help
you
pay
for
this
and
we'll
put
a
lien
on
the
property,
and
you
have
to
guarantee
you're
going
to
keep
it
affordable
for
such
and
what
I
mean
I've
talked
to
staff
about
this
before
so
maybe
a
program
like
that
like
what,
because
he's
right,
we
all
have
to
figure
out.
I
L
L
You
know
how
we're
going
to
address
first,
the
problem
and
and
what
is
going
on
and
and
what
that
really
looks
like
in
terms
of
quantity
or
a
number
of
these
throughout
the
city,
so
that
that's
fine,
just
that
we
are
not
the
enforcement
arm,
I
mean.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
with
our
partners
on
that
to
get
you
the
best
answer
possible.
L
Yeah
we
have
one
in
February,
that's
getting
pretty
full
I
mean
I'm
gonna,
ask
for
some
time
to
work
with
Keith
O'connor
and
that
team
to
understand
what
their
current
procedures
are.
When
they're
dealing
with
that,
how
that
looks,
you
know
how
many
understand
how
many
we
might
have
under
citation
right
now
or
with
liens
or
so
April
would
be
fine,
April,
okay,.
A
E
It
was
that
motion
for
motion
was
for
land
a
moment
to
work
with
code
enforcement.
But
what
about
this
case
right
here
is
this:
you
want
to
take
action
on
this
today
or.
O
I
think
that
I'm
a
little
I
think
we're
all
a
little
bit
confused
with
the
process
right
now.
This
needs
to
carry
on
to
be
something
that's
voted
on
next
month.
That's
that's
my
point
of
view
on
this
I'm,
not
sure
what
happens
if
you
don't
make
a
motion,
whether
it
just
doesn't
come
back
next
month,
so
I
would
really
appreciate
a
motion
to
make
sure
it
comes
back
next
month.
O
You
know
we're
looking
for
changes
that
are
going
to
actually
create
a
useful
amount
of
affordable
housing
for
the
City
of
Tampa
I've
heard
a
city
like
ours
can
expect
if
we
Implement
a
really
good
policy
to
have
300
per
year,
if
we
could
do
300
accessory
billions
per
year,
that
would
be
an
incredible
achievement.
This
is
not
going
to
create
10
000.
This
can
create
300.
O
if
we
are
making
rules
and
being
really
picky
about
it,
so
that
we
actually
result
in
50
being
built,
then
this
whole
day
would
have
been
a
waste
all
of
our
time.
50
homes
is
not
going
to
move
the
needle.
So
specifically,
when
we
look
at
B
the
one
that
councilwoman
her
attack
was
talking
about
with
the
primary
residence
I
think
that's
the
most
impactful
change
that
we
can
make
to
what's
being
proposed
here.
That
will
take
us
from
50
to
150
or
300.
O
Take
us
to
the
next
level
in
terms
of
how
many
things
these
things
actually
get
produced.
I
would
really
hate
for
us
to
go
through
all
this
and
at
the
end
of
it,
do
that
meeting
a
year
from
now
like
Vera
mentioned,
and
we
find
out,
there's
been
50
applications
because
it
just.
Why
would
you
do
it
with
all
these
rules?
O
We
have
in
place
so
I
I,
we
first,
we
need
to
have
this
new
role
passed,
but
I
would
love
to
see
a
change
that
says
that
homeowners
who
can
afford
to
build
these
will
actually
build
them.
Q
Hey
hey
good
afternoon
I,
don't
think
it
makes
two
flips
of
a
difference
whether
the
landlord
lives
on
the
property
or
not.
Q
Q
I,
I,
crap,
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
bottom
line
is
that
it
just
doesn't
make
any
difference.
I
just
don't
want
to
see
these
in
the
chha.
Sorry,
not
sorry
and
300
of
them.
That
is
not
even
going
to
touch
the
3000
that
we
still
have
coming
south
of
Gandy
west
of
Dale
Mabry
they're
already
coming.
Thank
you.
P
P
You
hear
me:
okay,
my
name
is
Caroline
Bennett
I
wanted
to
speak
on
the
last
item
and
I
wasn't
given
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
My
concern
is
that
I
don't
feel
like
the
public
has
really
had
a
chance
to
understand.
What's
going
on
and
ask
questions,
public
information,
meeting,
I
could
only
stay
on
for
an
hour
and
a
half
I
know
I,
don't
know
how
much
longer
it
went
on
I,
Believe,
Miss
feely
said
it
went
to
four
hours.
P
So
a
lot
of
people
didn't
get
to
hear
what
was
going
on
and
ask
questions.
I
would
like
to
see
a
public
information
meeting.
That's
dedicated
to
nothing
but
80
Hughes
I.
Look
at
this
and
I.
Don't
know
what
is
the
setback?
Is
it
three
feet?
What's
the
height
there's
just
a
lot
of
questions
and
that
people
don't
understand
what
what
what
this
is
going
to
actually
result
in
I
have
questions
about
the
land
use
limit
the
land
if
you're
going
to
double
the
number
of
units
on
a
on
a
parcel?
P
How
does
that
affect
the
land
use?
What
if
it
goes
over
what
the
land
use
allows
for
that
area?
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
that
works.
I.
Also,
when
you
talk
about
the
the
person
owner
occupied
I
happen
to
really
agree
with
that
and
I'll
tell
you
why,
because
most
of
these
adus
are
going
to
become
airbnbs,
Virginia
Park,
which
doesn't
even
you
can't
even
have
adus.
P
P
P
Don't
understand
the
changes
that
are
being
made
and
if
I
don't
understand
it,
that
means
a
lot
of
people
don't
understand,
and
I
would
just
like
to
have
more
opportunity
for
the
public
to
ask
questions
and
to
get
answers
and
I
would
love
to
see
in
print
a
written
list
of
questions
and
answers
that
came
out
of
the
last
public
information
meeting
and
any
future
public
information
meetings,
because
a
lot
of
people
they
just
want
to
understand.
What's
going
on.
Thank
you.
G
Else
and
just
very
quickly,
as
I
read
this
here
and
with
Miss,
the
last
speaker
spoke
about.
The
main
resident
is
going
to
be
a
owner
occupied,
it
may
be
the
first
month
or
so
it
may
not
be,
and
then
you
look
at
C.
The
accessory
dwelling
is
to
be
located
within
this
family
single
family
dwelling,
with
an
entrance
under
structure
on
the
outside
I
guess,
and
then
you
look
at
D
at
no
time
be
the
number
of
unrelated
occupants
of
an
accessory
dwelling
exceed
two.
G
You're
telling
the
public
we're
going
to
find
this,
let's
be
realistic,
I
mean
and
then
you
go
to
E
and
accessory
directly
may
not
shall
be
separately
metered
for
utilities,
I,
don't
understand
it,
I
just
I'm
you're
getting
like
say
you
know
it
used
to
be
in
the
bank.
You
wore
a
hat
and
dark
glasses
and
a
scarf
to
arrest
you
now.
If
you
don't
have
that
on,
they,
don't
let
you
in
so.
What
are
we
doing?
I
mean
I,
don't
understand
it.
M
Yeah
Carolyn
Bennett
described
exactly
how
I
feel
about
these
items.
I
came
in
here
prepared
to
support
this
beginning
concept.
I
I
support
adus,
but
even
the
information
I
read
or
saw
suggested
that
South,
Tampa
or
parts
of
South
Tampa
would
be
excluded
and
that
there
would
be
very.
Q
M
That
I
think
it's
like
Nathan
said
it's
the
confusion
about
the
way.
This
whole
thing
is
being
presented,
not
not
criticizing
you
all,
but
the
context
of
it.
If
it's
like
there
are
two
items
here
in
it:
I
don't
know
how
many
decision
sub
decisions
we
have
to
make
here
anyway,
I
I
think
that
there's
it's
the
the
whole
thing
is
is
confusing
and
I'm
sure
the
public
is
confused.
M
I
would
I'm
going
to
vote
against
all
of
these
just
because
it's
confusing
the
way
it's
being
presented
and
then,
if,
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
vote
to
have
them
come
back
as
another
Workshop
or
something
I'm
happy
to
support
that,
and
then
maybe
I
would
support
them
the
next
time,
but
right
now,
as
it
stands
with
with
the
information
we
have
I
just
can't
support
the
too
many
questions.
Councilman
Goods.
K
K
So
I
know
that
we're
trying
to
provide
housing,
some
type
of
housing-
and
this
could
be
an
extra
way
to
do
it,
but
I,
don't
think
we
got
the
whole
boat
in
there
just
yet
there's
some
missing
components
like
I
said
you
know
for
me.
If,
if
we're
going
to
do
it,
this
would
be
for
everybody
like
South.
Tampa
won't
have
to
do.
You
know.
You'll
have
some
communities,
you
know
you've
got
a
River
Grove
Community,
that's
the
east
side
of
town.
K
They
may
not
want
you,
even
though
it's
not
the
restricted,
so
I
think
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
conversation.
I
look
at
some
of
my
life,
especially
on
the
east
side
of
town
and
so
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
with
some
some
of
the
structure
we
have.
We
probably
could
use
some
fixer-uppers
and
do
something,
but
then
I
look
at
gouging
again.
K
L
Guess
then,
Abby
Philly
I'd
like
to
know
what
information
is
like
this
discussion
started
back
in
June.
We
brought
best
practices
to
you
as
to
what
other
local
governments
had.
We
got
direction
from
you
as
to
what
you
would
like
ours
to
look
like
this
language
here
is
written
based
off
of
that.
These
are
our
recommendations,
pursuant
to
how
you
directed
us.
L
If
you
don't
like
Item
B,
and
you
want
that
stricken,
that's
fine.
If
you
wanted
to
say
nothing
in
the
chha,
that's
fine!
But
we
had.
We
came
to
you
in
June
we
had
that
discussion.
We
came
back
in
September
and
provided
the
draft
language
for
everyone.
We
conducted
a
public
information
session,
Miss,
Bennett
and
Miss
pointer
and
Ms
Zimmerman
have
been
emailing
and
emailing
I.
Think
three
times.
L
While
we
were
at
lunch
on
some
of
these
items,
they
know
how
to
reach
us
we're
open
to
any
suggestions
or
any
recommendations
or
any
compromises
on
any
of
these
criteria.
We
were
strictly
taking
the
directive
that
was
provided
by
you
to
come
back
with
adus
that
we
needed
additional
housing
options,
and
here
we
are
so
that
was
almost
six
months
ago
when
we
started
this,
if
we're
not
on
Target
to
where
we
need
to
be
in
this
language.
L
Please
tell
me
where
you
believe
that
is,
instead
of
continuing
to
have
circular
discussions
onto
where
we
need
to
be
we're,
happy
to
go
back
and
look
again
at
other
cities
and
bring
that
back,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
really
good
start
as
to
what
we
need.
If
it's
just
that,
we
don't
want
it
owner
occupied,
we
can
take
out
letter
B
that
doesn't
have
to
be
there.
This
is
the
code
that
we're
working
on
together
today
through
this
Workshop.
I
We
desperately
need
housing.
Thank
you.
We
desperately
need
housing,
I,
I,
don't
I,
understand
that
we
have
concerns,
but
literally
in
the
next
several
slides
deal
with
setbacks,
deal
with
height
restrictions.
I
mean
all
of
this
is
already
in
this.
This
is
just
talking
about
the
standards
that
are
going
to
apply.
We
haven't
even
decided
where
we're
going
to
put
them.
Yet
this
is
just
standards,
and
it's
this
is
incredibly
frustrating.
I
This
is
not
we're
not
deciding
it
right.
Now
we
will
have
a
first
reading.
The
public
will
have
a
chance
to
talk
about
each
of
these
items
then,
but,
but
this
this
has
been.
This
has
been
discussed
by
us.
This
has
had
a
public
meeting.
These
are,
these
are
the
things
that
they
already
have
in
Seminole
Heights.
If
anybody
anyone
wants
to
come,
I
will
I
will
give
you
a
tour
of
Seminole,
Heights
and
and
what
they
look
like
and
and
how
the
community
deals
with
them.
I
I,
don't
even
notice
them
anymore,
there's
not
a
new
construction
in
our
neighborhood.
That
does
not
already
have
one
of
these
being
built
because
it
helps
with
a
mortgage.
It
provides
living
situations
for
maybe
a
child
or
an
elderly
family
member,
but
we
we've
got
to
do
something
about
housing.
We
cannot
keep
kicking
the
camp.
M
Sorry
I
think
I,
don't
know
what
everybody's
planning
on
doing
right
now,
but
I
I
would
like
for
you
to
go
through
those
slides.
Originally
we
talked
about
maybe
going
through
all
of
them
and
coming
back
have
you?
Are
there
slides
you
haven't
shown
yet
or.
L
I
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
pass
section:
one
or
I'm
sorry,
27,
132
and
section
27,
282,
Dash
or
0.30
accessory
dwelling
unit
specified
uses
without
with
what,
by
taking
and
and
taking
out
section
B.
Let's
just
see
where
we
are.
N
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
I'm
glad
to
vote.
Yes
I
know
that
they're,
you
know
there.
Some
folks
are
talking
about
potential
imperfections
in
this
I.
Don't
really
necessarily
see
any,
but
we
can't
let
the
Imperfects
be
the
enemy
of
the
of
the
pretty
damn
good,
especially
with
a
housing
crisis
that
we
have
right
now.
So
I
would
urge
a
yes
vote.
My
only
question
is
councilman
Carlson.
Did
you
want
to
see
all
the
other
slides
before
voting
or
I
mean
no.
M
Yeah,
like
I,
said
without
the
larger
context,
I'm
just
going
to
vote
against
all
of
these.
It's
not
because
I'm
against
adus
I'm,
just
I
I,
can't
vote
for
it
with
this
process,
but
also
I
would
want
to
keep
in
B
on
this.
Also.
A
F
I
G
G
There's
also
another
1.5
Acres
on
North
Armenia,
the
other
side
of
Hillsborough
Avenue
on
the
east
side
on
the
West
Side
Facing
East.
You
can
put
small
units
in
there
and
do
all
you
want,
but
when
you
go
into
a
neighborhood
and
anyone
that's
here
wants
me
to
give
them
an
idea
of.
What's
Happening
call
me
and
I'll
give
you
a
tour
of
where
I
live
and
if
the
media
wants
to
come
and
I'll
show
you
seven
and
eight
cars
in
one
lot.
G
Where
there's
the
fits
on
the
grass
I
can
see
where
you
built
the
sidewalks
and
there's
all
kinds
of
vehicles
on
the
sidewalks
I
can
show
you
things
that
are
happening
and
that's
why
I
can't
support
this
because
I
know
what's
going
to
happen,
you
is
this
city-wide.
No,
it
leads
certain
parts
of
the
city
out,
so
I
just
can't
do
that.
Thank.
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
statement
that
I
do
appreciate
that
we
are
building
multi-family
on
major
corridors,
but
you
know
what
just
because
you're
a
renter
doesn't
mean
you
should
have
to
live
on.
A
major
thoroughfare,
I
think
that
everyone
renters
and
people
who
are
lucky
enough
to
be
homeowners.
Both
of
them
should
have
the
opportunity
to
live
in
a
quieter
neighborhood.
If
that's
what
they
so
choose
and
that's
what
this
helps
add.
This
is
about
Equity
to
me
and
Equity
I.
I
It's
just
really
frustrating
that
we're
saying
that,
because
you're
a
renter,
you
should
really
only
be
on
corners
of
major
thoroughfares,
and
this
helps,
in
my
opinion,
helps
make
that
more
Equitable
for
people
to
make
up
to
have
options.
As
was
stated
earlier,
we're
going
to
become
a
community
of
more
than
half
renters
soon,
and
we
we
really
need
to
have
a
a
an
option
just
because
a
renter
just
because
you're
a
renter
doesn't
mean
you
don't
have
money,
it
doesn't
mean
you
deserve
less
I'm
off
my
horse.
G
More
I
agree
that
it's
about
50
percent
of
the
people
that
live
in
Tampa,
not
quite
50
but
in
the
high
40s
or
renters,
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
being
a
renter.
I
can
also
say
some
of
the
properties
that
I
just
spoke
about.
One
is
a
beautiful
lot,
it
is
Armenia
Avenue,
but
it's
way
back,
it
goes
back,
I'd,
say
a
couple
of
hundred
feet,
250
feet
or
so,
and
I
don't
own.
The
property
I,
don't
know
who
owns
the
property.
K
Want
to
support
it
today.
I
have
some
concerns,
because
I
believe
this
will
bring
a
lot
of
transient
behavior
in
some
communities.
I
know
some
of
the
other
communities
that
have
it
a
lot
of
them
are
owner
occupied
that
are
already
there.
K
They
can
control
about
that,
but
I
just
feel
that
when
you
start
putting
some
of
these
allowing
these
in
certain
communities,
it'll
bring
on
more
Transit
being
here,
but
I
will
support
it
today
to
to
to
move
the
process
forward
with
housing
you
we
have
to
try
something
so
I'll
give
it
a
try
and
we'll
I
guess
come
back
Circle
back
up
on
a
year,
but
I'll
give
it
a
try.
Today.
R
We
have
a
housing
crisis,
we
have
an
impending
or
we're
in
the
recession.
I,
don't
know
how
bad
this
is
going
to
get.
If
we're
going
to
go
to
another
repeat
of
what
2008
to
2012
and
Beyond
was
rents
are
rising,
we
did
not
pass
any
type
of
rent
control
and,
for
whatever
legal
reasons,
I
get
it
I
know
we
have
safe,
preemptions
and
stuff.
We
have
offered
direct
assistance
to
renters,
but
that's
temporary.
R
There
are
a
lot
of
people
that
I
know
that
are
struggling
paycheck
to
paycheck,
even
not
even
that
they're
struggling
just
to
to
to
make
enough
to
pay
the
rent
and
they're
not
doing
anything
extra,
because
there
is
no
extra
again
with
Rising
rents
and
the
demand
of
people
that
are
moving
to
Tampa.
We
have
to
do
something
that
is
Meaningful
I
understand
that
it's
not
perfect,
I
understand.
There's
a
lot
of
criticism
on
this
I
understand
a
lot
of
things,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
going
to
have
a
big,
bigger
crisis.
R
If
we
don't
do
anything
and
that's
going
to
be
with
people
on
the
streets,
they're
not
going
to
move
out
of
Tampa,
because
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
move
out
of
Tampa
they're
going
to
be
literally
on
the
streets,
they're
going
to
be
evicted,
they're
going
to
get
their
three-day
notices
or
what
everything
that
that
happens.
I'm
hearing
these
stories
and
so
I'm
going
to
support
this
and
and
we
move
forward
and
then
and
then
we
you
know,
we
start
tweaking
it.
I
L
Time,
Abby
feely
I
was
going
to
talk
about
that
for
a
moment,
because
this
will
go
to
the
pendant
on
action
in
the
motion
here
today.
This
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
on
Monday
November
7th,
and
then
we
do
come
back
to
you
for
our
first
reading
on
December
1st,
where
we
will
have
a
whole
hearing
on
the
language
and
then,
if
there
are
changes
in
between
first
and
second
reading,
just
like
you
do
with
other
things,
you
could
make
changes
then
again,
so
this
isn't
the
end-all
be-all
before
you
today.
L
L
E
C
C
C
L
I
And
and
I
won't
take
that
motion
or
I
won't
take
that
Amendment,
because
our
mind
is
separately
metered
right
now
and
I,
don't
it
says,
may
not
shall
so
you
could
have
it
metered,
but
you
don't
have
to
have
it
metered
and
that
is
I
mean
I
I.
Don't
think
that
separate
separately
metered
utilities
really
makes
a
difference
like
I'm
curious.
Why?
What's
your
rationale.
L
L
It
could
have
either
is
what
they're
saying
if
it's
owner
occupied
and
you're
doing
it
accessory,
and
you
want
to
use
the
main
house
meter
and
you
don't
care,
you
don't
want
to
charge
somebody
separate
for
your
utilities.
Then
you
could
use
the
same
meter.
If
not,
you
might
elect
to
have
it
separately.
If.
C
E
Theoretically,
if
this
was
approved
and
I'm
in
the
right
I'm
in
the
right
locations,
we're
going
to
discuss
momentarily
that
second
unit
could
become
legal,
so
there
would
be
no
need
for
a
citation
to
be
issued
on
that
outside
of
work
without
permits,
perhaps
because
they
may
have
converted.
I
may
have
converted
over.
You
know
without
a
permit
or
whatever,
but
the
actual
use
would
become
legal
and
they
would
be
a
specified
use.
It
could
be
a
legal
unit.
C
We're
going
to
run
into
problems
down
the
line
when
code
enforcement
goes
out
and
suspects,
somebody
of
having
an
accessory
dwelling
that
they're
either
named
not
paying
taxes
on
or
do
not
have
any
type
permitting.
For
that
we
may
run
into
problems
down
the
line
we
have
motion
made
by
councilwoman
her
tax
seconded
by
councilman
Maniscalco.
Without
my
Amendment,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
broke
all
vote.
Please.
I
C
M
Think
the
whole
conversation
you
all
just
had
with
chair
is
is
an
example
of
what
what
I
talked
about
a
minute
ago.
This
is
so
complicated
and
so
confusing
it.
Maybe
councilmember
hurt
completely
understands
it,
but
it's
it's
so
complicated.
We
probably
should
have
had
a
separate
a
workshop.
Just
for
this
and
I
wish.
We
could
have
a
separate
Workshop
just
for
this
we're
running
out
of
time
and
there's
no
way
that
we're
it.
We
have
this
long
of
conversation
on
one
slide
and
you
have
a
bunch
of
other
slides.
We.
L
Have
two
two
left:
we
have
two
left
and
before
we
go
on
to
those
two,
if
I
might,
during
the
public
information
meeting,
there
was
some
information
shared
about
Heights
and
setbacks
for
the
accessory
structures
and
I
think
it
caused
a
lot
of
confusion,
because
we
weren't
talking
about
that
at
the
beginning,
so
that
was
pulled.
What
is
that
is
not?
It
is
still
going
to
meet
accessory
structure,
setbacks
and
accessory
structure
height.
We
are.
We
are
not
there
yet
we'd
like
to
take
these
small
steps
with
you
today.
L
So
the
last
two
items
we
have
are
the
allowable
areas
and
then
the
parking
for
the
adus,
because
these
are
all
housed
in
different
parts
of
the
code.
That's
why
we're
taking
them
the
way
that
we
are,
but
we're
going
to
turn
over
to
Stephen,
to
talk
to
you
about
the
allowable
areas
and
then
the
parking
which
was
a
discussion
in
June
about
if
there
are
certain
size,
no
parking
if
there
are
certain
size,
one
space.
So
that's
where
we
are
today
and
again.
H
Thank
you,
Stephen
Benson
city
planning
on
the
the
screen
I'm
showing
you
the
areas
of
the
city
where
accessory
dwelling
units
are
allowed,
either
through
the
general
use
table
which
shows
the
rs50
and
the
rs60
Lots
over
in
the
Lowry
Park
area,
where
it's
permitted
that
was
done
through
a
privately
initiated
Amendment
some
time
ago
and
then
the
Seminole
lights
area.
Here
in
purple
again
the
the
sh
zoning
districts,
which
is
where
adus
are
permitted
now
and
then
down
here.
H
The
NMU
districts
which
were
created
for
the
west
river
is
part
of
that
Master
Plan
process
combined.
All
of
these
areas
account
for
about
four
percent
of
the
city
and
then
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
from
a
planning
standpoint,
the
selection
of
these
areas
relative
to
everywhere
else
around
it
is
relatively
arbitrary.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
the
allowable
areas
more
Equitable
and
expand
them
to
as
many
places
as
possible,
where
it
makes
sense
to
do
so.
H
So
in
looking
at
the
comp
plan,
the
sure
yes,
sir,.
G
H
So
and
that's
a
good
point,
let
me
kind
of
explain
the
areas,
so
this
is
anywhere
that's
in
excuse.
G
Me
well,
would
it
be,
it
would
be
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
river,
not
the
East
Side.
H
Yes,
so
the
Seminole
Heights
area,
it's
it's
east
of
the
river
and
south
of
the
river,
but
north
of
Martin,
Luther,
King
East
over
to
15th
Street,
up
15th,
Street
and
then
East
on
Hillsborough
Avenue
in
the
north
on
22nd,
so
anywhere,
that's
officially
a
Seminole
Heights
neighborhood,
there's
Southeast
Seminole,
Heights
old,
Seminole
Heights,
it's
included
in
it's
already
allowed
in
that
District.
That's
what
councilwoman
was
referring
to
so
looking
at
where
the
areas
that
we've
proposed
there
have
been
several
policy
related
amendments
to
your
comprehensive
plan.
H
Recently
that
dealt
with
where
growth
is
encouraged
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
sir.
H
It's
it's
yeah.
It's
really
I'm
trying
to
keep
the
legend
there,
but
it's
the
purple
areas
are
again
really
the
focus,
but
specifically
the
the
planning
districts
that
are
identified
there
in
dark
purple
and
then
the
allowable
zoning
districts
within
them
are
what
is
shaded
purple.
Those
are
actually
where
they're
going
to
be
allowed.
H
H
So,
in
addition
to
that,
the
speaking
to
the
New
Tampa
District,
specifically
we're
not
proposing
to
include
that
area.
As
part
of
this,
because
of
the
issue
was
brought
up
earlier,
so
making
a
change
for
New
Tampa
right
now
won't
affect
whether
you're
allowed
to
do
it,
because
there
are
other
mechanisms
in
place
that
are
preventing
that
for
south
Tampa,
again
falling
back
on
the
language,
that's
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
speaking
to
where
growth
should
be
encouraged.
South
Tampa
is
not
one
of
those
areas.
H
In
addition
to
that,
you
can
see
we've
put
here
on
the
map
that
a
majority
of
South
Tampa
is
included
in
the
coastal,
High
Hazard
area
and
and
it
does
have
a
unique
geography
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
city
and
their
implications
with
that.
So
this
is
where
a
recommendation
was.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
are
recommending
against
including
it
in
other
areas.
It
just
means,
as
this
next
step
goes
forward.
This
is
a
good
Next
Step.
That
staff
was
comfortable
with
putting
before
you
today.
R
R
Why
is
it
it's
not
good
enough
for
here,
but
it's
good
enough
for
there
and
you
know:
do
it
or
don't
do
it
at
all
and
so
right,
there
I
have
I,
have
pause
with
that,
because
I
know
what
I'm
going
to
hear
from
other
neighborhoods
and
I
understand
why,
whether
it's
a
coastal
High
Hazard,
whether
the
density
is
already
there
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
where
we're
not
having
to
encourage
this
kind
of
growth.
But
the
issue
with
rent
is
is
a
city-wide
issue.
It's
not
oh
South.
R
N
Viera,
thank
you
very
much
and
you
know
what
I'd
say
for
for
the
South,
Tampa
and
New
Tampa
areas
that
we
explain
because
there's
a
very
rational
basis
for
the
exclusion
South
Tampa,
like
you,
said,
the
high
Coastal
Hazard
area
33647
because
of
deed
restrictions,
Etc
is
that
we
very
simply
explain
it
and
I've
actually
done
the
reverse.
For
parts
of
my
district
I
remember
when
I
was
running
for
office
in
16
and
I
supported
the
the
storm
water
tax
assessment.
N
Whatever
and
a
lot
of
folks
in
my
district
were
saying:
well,
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
storm
water
and
and
whatnot
don't
get
a
lot
of
fun.
Well,
we're
one
city
right
and
and
just
the
pipes
program
a
lot
of
folks
said
hey.
Why
are
you
doing
this
or
in
New
Tampa?
Our
pipes
are
new
they're,
newer,
30
25.
Whatever
years
it
may
be
well
again,
we're
one
city
and
there's
a
rational
explanation
for
that.
So
I
think
for
that.
So
so
long
as
we
explain
it,
I
I
I.
N
G
You
very
much
so
I
guess
if
one
of
my
two
daughters
or
many
of
my
other
family
members
live
in
South
Tampa
wanted
to
build
something
for
me:
I
couldn't
do
it
right,
so
I
couldn't
live
in
my
daughter's
house.
H
G
H
C
I
I
don't
know
if
I
made
that
motion
to
talk
about
getting
rid
of
extended
family
dwellings,
but
I'm
just
gonna
do
that
right
now.
Let's
have
I
would
love
to
come
back
and
talk
about
that.
Maybe
in
January
or
we
have
April
I,
don't
know
throw
out
a
date,
but
we
but
I
still
think
because
I
agree,
there
is
confusion
and
I
think
we
just
need
a
clean
slate.
So
I
would
love
to
make
a
motion
to
come
back
to
discuss
that
at
a
future
time
not
now,
but
at
a
future
time.
I
I
can
also
work
with
you
on
that
and
come
back
later
with
a
date.
But
but
talking
about
this,
that
my
question
is
I
see
a
bit
further
south
in
central
Tampa
that
looks
like
it's
purple,
but
also
Coastal
High
Hazard
area,
like
explain
explain,
would
they
be
allowed
there
yeah.
H
So,
just
just
to
be
clear
that
the
definitions
for
the
planning
districts
are
very
specific,
so
the
South
Tampa
planning
district
does
include
some
areas
that
people
refer
to
as
South
Tampa,
just
to
be
clear
that
Davis
Island
would
be
included
as
an
allowable
area.
Hyde
Park
would
be
included
as
an
allowable
area.
That's
because
of
how
the
planning
district
lines
are
drawn.
It's
not
the
entire
everything
south
of
Kennedy.
Necessarily
this
part
of
the
South
Tampa
plenty
District.
So
that's
why
the
map
is
very
important,
you're
gonna!
So
that's
it.
I
Just
just
to
expand
on
that,
because
it's
the
same
question
thinking
about
what
just
happened
in
Fort
Myers
thinking
about
future
land
use
future
future
use
on
in
coastal
High
Hazard
areas.
That
is
an
area
where
I
would
see
where,
where
the
public
has
made
comments
about
not
allowing
certain
growth
in
coastal
High
Hazard
areas,
but
I
also
know
that,
depending
upon
the
neighborhood
you're
in
they
want
more
development.
So
what's
the
balance
there.
H
H
Attempt
at
trying
to
strike
that
balance.
Okay,
if
you
wish
to
add
to
this
criteria
in
some
way
and
say
in
addition
to
these
three
districts,
please
also
omit
any
parcel.
That's
within
the
chha.
We
can
add
that
to
the
language
and
make
it
even
smaller.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
direction,
you're
going
to
make
sure
to
make
sure
I.
I
C
O
Nathan
Hagan
last
year
the
Planning
Commission
adopted
an
equity
report
which
eluded
which
included
a
phenomenal
presentation
throughout
the
history
of
racism
and
discrimination
and
painted
a
picture
about
how
we
have
deliberately
concentrated
poverty
in
East,
Tampa
and
parts
of
West
Tampa
over
the
last
80
years
with
our
zoning
code.
O
It's
it's
very
conspicuous
to
me
well
I'll.
Also
at
this
last
week
there
was
an
article
about
adus
and
creative
loafing
that
said
that
they
were
a
force
for
gentrification
and
that's
a
complex
issue
that
I
don't
have
I.
Can't
I
can't
try
to
walk
us
through
here
in
three
minutes,
but
it's
conspicuous,
I,
I,
think
and
and
I
mean
it's
got.
O
A
councilman
Maniscalco
alluded
to
this
is
that
if
you're
somebody
who's
in
a
community
that
has
been
has
suffered
from
our
inequitable
zoning
code
for
the
last
80
years
that
you're
going
to
see
that
some
neighborhoods
get
special
treatment
again
as
they
have
for
80
years
and
so
I
understand
the
coastal
Hazard
area.
Even
the
deed
restrictions,
I,
don't
even
know,
I,
don't
have
a
policy
solution
to
that.
O
You
know
to
me:
it's
just
I
think
everyone
can
see
through
that
I
mean
anybody
who's
on
these
issues
in
East,
Tampa
and
West
Tampa,
we'll
we'll
see
if
they're
informed
about
this
issue,
that's
South
Tampa
once
again
is
getting
special
treatment.
So
I
think
this
should
be
Citywide,
I.
Think,
there's
a
question
I
think
it's
an
important
question.
We
had
about
development
in
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area,
but
that
includes
parts
of
downtown
and
Harbor
Island
and
Davis
Island,
and
all
these
places
that
we
got
to
figure
out
a
big,
comprehensive
plan.
O
K
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
this
red
pen,
it's
just
redlined
on
your
mouth.
You
know
we
could
talk
about
the
coastal
High
Heritage
areas
which
we
we
know.
We
have
some
issues
there,
but
when
you
say
you're
going
to
have
a
program
for
the
city,
it
should
be
inclusive.
You
have
may
have
some
deep
restricted
areas,
but
some
of
those
areas
that
indeed
restricted,
maybe
right
outside
of
it-
that
may
not
be
I
just
again.
It
looks
like
me
to
me
again
another
classic
way
of
redlining,
but
we're
just
doing
in
a
nicer
way.
K
S
Justin
Willits
3203,
North,
Bailey,
Street,
Tampa,
Heights
I,
feel
like
we
should
just
move
ahead
on
this
and
if
South
Tampa
wants
to
come
back
and
campaign
for
this,
they
should
then
by
all
means,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Based
on
what
Stephen
Benson
said,
we
should
be
promoting
growth
in
the
places
that
make
sense.
South
Tampa
has
demonstrated
a
skepticism
towards
growth.
There
are
some
traffic
issues
there.
We
don't
have
enough.
Transit,
the
coastal
High
Hazard
is
a
is
a
legitimate
concern.
S
It
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
move
forward
in
the
rest
of
the
city
and
some
other
items
that
I
want
to
just
add
in
you
know
we
don't
have
money
for
transportation
or
housing
it
doesn't.
We
may
not
get
it
very
soon.
We
can't
expect
the
city
to
build
enough
Transportation
or
housing.
We
need
to
lean
on
private
property
owners
to
build
some
more
of
this
housing
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today.
I
bought
my
first
house
in
Tampa
Heights
seven
years
ago,
and
thought
that
I'd
probably
already
have
Adu
by
right.
S
By
now
we're
still
talking
about
it.
There
are
really
a
lot
of
benefits
that
these
this
housing
would
provide,
including
affordability,
Aging
in
place,
reducing
displacement
with
soaring
costs.
The
specific
Transportation
related
impacts
as
a
Transit
planner
myself,
a
former
heart
employee,
the
problem
with
Transit
here
is:
we
don't
have
enough
people
near
it.
This
is
how
we
get
more
people
near
it.
We
have
corridors
lined
with
car
shops,
not
dense
housing.
We
can
address
that
as
well.
There
are
10
20,
30
50
things
we
should
do
as
a
community
to
get
more
housing.
S
This
is
one
piece:
it's
the
one
of
the
easier
pieces.
Let's
move
it
ahead
and
do
the
right
thing,
like
I,
said:
come
back
later.
First
for
south
Tampa
I
think
he
made
it
the
the
planner,
the
city
planner
made
a
good
case
for
why
it
doesn't
make
a
ton
of
sense
and
based
on
what
I've
personally
heard
from
the
south
of
Gandy
folks
I,
don't
think
they
want
any
development,
but
this
just
is
part
of
that.
That
thing
and
I
think
I've
nailed
all
my
points
here.
S
I'm
surprised
that
I'm
not
at
three
minutes
but
I,
just
think
we
just
need
to
move
this
ahead.
You
have
you
have
time
to
put
more
effort
into
this.
The
best
Transit
service
we
have
in
this
city
and
county
is
in
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about
doing
this
on
that
map.
You've
got
15
and
20
minute
service
all
day
on
Florida
Nebraska,
Flora,
Braska,
56th,
Street
and
Hillsborough
Avenue.
Those
are
the
four
best
routes
in
the
whole
heart
system.
S
Q
Q
First
of
all,
I
want
to
address
Mr
Hagan,
implying
that
there
is.
There
is
no
poverty
south
of
Gandy
that
there
is
a
we
are
bearing
the
brunt
in
the
four
square
miles
that
I
live
in.
We've
got
3
000,
more
Apartments
coming.
That
does
not
include
single-family
homes.
That
does
not
include
condominiums.
That
does
not
include
town
homes.
That's
only
Apartments.
Q
We
have
been
working
our
butt
off
to
save
that
hurricane
Phoenix
had,
and
if
you
don't
know
what
it
is,
you
should
Google
it
and
you
should
watch
the
videos
on
it.
Also
Ian
had
it
hit
here.
Everything
down
here
would
have
been
underwater.
So
you
know
it's
how
many
people
do
you
want
to
drown?
That's
that's
really!
What
it's
about
it's
not
about
affordable
housing!
In
this
particular
situation.
Q
Q
Q
Not
every
area
of
the
city
needs
to
have
it,
because
we
are
coastal
High
hazards
and
all
it
took
was
Ian
to
hit
a
couple
hours
North
and
you
guys
would
have
a
totally
different
conversation
today
and
is
that
the
conversation
you
want
to
have
with
your
constituents
five
years
from
now
10
years
from
now,
when
all
those
folks
are
stuck
south
of
Gandy
and
they
can't
get
out,
we
are
food
desert
and
you
can't
be
a
food
desert
without
having
people
impoverished.
All
of
our
Elementary
School
South
of
Gandy.
F
Q
P
Hi
this
is
Carol
Ann
Bennett
in
the
in
the
Tampa
comprehensive
plan.
It
says
there
are
six
levels
of
intensity
to
indicate
where
development
should
be
focused,
the
lowest
level
one
is
South
Tampa.
Every
department
head
in
the
city
has
come
before
yet
one
time
or
another
and
talked
about
where
the
growth
needs
to
be,
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
Transit
borders
and
every
time
they
do
they.
They
exclude
South,
Tampa
and
New
Tampa.
It's
the
three
Central
planning
districts,
where
the
where
they
think
that
growth
should
be
concentrated.
P
One
of
the
reasons
a
comprehensive
plan
says
that
you
shouldn't
have
the
growth
in
South.
Tampa
is
because
of
the
lack
of
transit
services
and
there's
no
plans
to
increase
them.
The
flood
prone
land
and
Stephanie
is
correct.
There's
plenty
of
people
in
South
Tampa
who
are
not
rich.
A
lot
of
our
schools,
qualify
for
free
and
reduced
lunches
for
all
of
them,
and
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
South
Tampa
has
done
more
than
its
fair
share
of
adding
to
the
dwelling
units
in
this
city.
P
There's
no
Coastal
High
Hazard
area
in
the
city
that
has
had
more
growth
than
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area
in
South
Tampa.
We
have
a
spreadsheet
that
shows
the
additional
dwelling
units
and
we
got
this
information
from
the
property
appraiser,
so
Tampa
has
added
when
everything
that's
already
approved
is
built
almost
9
300
additional
dwelling
units
so
to
say
that
we
haven't
done
our
fair
share
to
add
to
the
housing
stock
is
completely
inaccurate
and
this
is
happening
in
an
area
where
there
should
not
be
the
growth.
P
A
lot
of
those
units
should
have
been
in
other
areas
that
need
them
and
where
they're
more
appropriate
I
am
not
against
adus
and
I
apologize.
If
I
haven't
done
enough
to
understand
all
the
complexities
of
it,
I
support
adus,
but
I
need
to
understand
them
completely
and
I'm
going
to
reach
out
I'm
going
to
to
try
to
do
that,
so
that
I'm,
not
sitting
here
saying
I,
don't
understand
what
this
means,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
these
two
areas
need
to
be
excluded
for
specific
reasons:
they're
valid
reasons.
A
R
Reading
about
history
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
racism
in
that
history,
when
you
talk
about
redlining
I
mean
it's
the
gentrification,
the
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
over
the
last
century
or
half
a
century
I
get
it.
But
in
this
case
regarding
how
certain
parts
of
the
city
flood,
the
coastal,
High
Hazard
areas
where
the
growth
is
concentrated,
Stephanie
Pointer
said
it.
R
Regarding
South
the
Gandhi
3000
apartment
units,
I
mean
their
density,
is,
is
coming
in
rapidly
and
that's
again,
not
counting
single-family
homes
and
everything
else,
but
at
the
same
time
I
I
understand.
You
know
why
the
separate
why
the
borders-
and
you
mentioned
in
their
Hyde,
Park
and
other
parts
of
the
city-
it's
not
just
East
Tampa
West
Tampa,
but
I'm
going
to
support
it
moving
forward.
R
Can
we
further
expand
those
boundaries
in
the
future?
I
mean?
Will
you
look
at
that
for
further
expansion?
This
is
just
phase
one.
Essentially,
we.
R
C
K
I
think
councilman
Maniscalco
made
the
motion
with
miss
her
tank.
Second,
that's
what
I
meant.
A
C
K
A
person
who
worked
every
inch
of
this
city
from
New
Tampa
to
Port
Tampa,
and
when
you
look
at
South
Tampa,
there
is
a
divide.
A
lot
of
people,
don't
know
that
I
worked
at
Robinson,
High
School
and
the
ladies
are
right.
There
are
some
achieving
schools
that
are
down
that
area
and
there
is
a
separation.
When
you
talk
about
South
Tampa,
because
when
I
was
there,
you
had
the
borderline,
you
got
the
sog
and
you
had
the
other
side
and
they
didn't
put
too
much
mix
and
mingle
too
much.
K
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
changed
a
little
bit
now
through
the
years
and
I
can
remember
where
there
were
no
apartments
on
that
side.
Manhattan
those
areas
down
there,
so
they
are
right.
As
far
as
the
growth
is
concerned,
the
amount
of
apartments
that
have
been
built
up
there.
The
area
is
totally
changed.
Even
when
the
back
area,
you
have
now
houses
better.
K
K
They
just
see
what
I
just
said
before
a
separation
and
I,
don't
like
separations
I'm
going
to
support
it
today,
but,
like
Mr
Manukau
said
we
just
have
to
be
mindful
and
keep
our
eye
on
the
prize
and
make
sure
that
the
distribute
distribution
is
going
everywhere,
even
with
the
New
Tampa
Folks
up
there
too,
there's
some
areas
up
there
that
that
they're
undeveloped,
that
probably
developed-
and
we
can't
leave
them
out
in
the
future,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
keep
an
eye
on
everybody.
K
H
It's
fair
if
I
can
just
address
that
briefly,
we
do
have
the
south
of
Gandhi
city
that
is
ongoing
and
adus
are
going
to
be
a
topic
of
discussion
as
part
of
that
and
additionally
with
New
Tampa.
If
there
are
neighborhoods
that
want
this
we'd
be
happy
to
meet
with
them
and
talk
about
the
implications
they
just
don't
allow
it
already
yeah.
So
it's
I
mean
as
far
as
an
immediate
first
step.
We
just
didn't
feel
like
that
was
worth
going
into
yet.
N
Thank
you,
sir
I
appreciate
that
and
and
again
what
I
had
mentioned,
which
is
and
I
think
everybody's
mentioned.
This
is
maybe
coming
back
and
looking
at
this
in
the
future,
either
for
expansion,
either
to
look
at
again
undetended
consequences.
There's
two
distinct
issues,
as
you
indicated,
with
New
Tampa,
it's
more
of
a
contractual
issue
where
you
have
separate
government
entities
like
cdds
Etc,
it's
funny
when
I
first
heard
of
cdds
that
comes
in
calling
it
CCD.
N
If
you're,
if
you're
Catholic,
you
know
what
CCT
is,
which
is
funny
whatever,
but
other
cdds
and
there's
different
types
of
issues
like
that
that
that
preclude
us
legally
from
doing
that.
So
it's
really
not
a
policy
issue,
it's
more
of
a
hands
or
tied
issue
with
South
Tampa.
It's
a
policy
issue
and
and
whatnot,
but
again
I
I
strongly
support
this
and
wherever
we
can
do
it
throughout
the
city
of
Tampa
I
support.
This
I've
always
been
a
supporter
of
expanding
our
house
in
stock.
N
I,
remember
gosh,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
I
think
Abby
was
there
with
me
as
I
recall,
talking
in
a
part
of
my
district
about
some
apartments
that
were
kind
of
had
already
been
approved,
Years
Ago
by
city
council.
They
were
coming
and
people
were
really
angry
and
I
was
meeting
with
them
or
one
guy
I
mean
just
the
the
stuff
that
people
said,
because
the
implications
that
people
have
due
to
their
own
fear
and
and
and
lack
of
connection
with
the
with
the
real
world
on
things
like
Apartments
is
stunning.
N
So
we
all
have
to
stand
up
for
the
idea
that,
throughout
all
of
our
city
of
Tampa,
that
we
have
to
have
a
city
where
the
middle
class
can
live,
the
working
class
can
live
and
and
Folk
who
are
struggling
and
hard
to
working
hard
to
make
it
to
the
middle
class
and
the
working
class
of
a
place
at
the
table,
and
so
I
think
we
all
support
that
110.
So,
let's
move
this
thing
forward,
get
it
done
because
I
think
it's
good
policy.
Thank
you.
Any
other
conversation.
G
This
I'm
not
going
to
support
this.
It
talks
about
extended
family
very
difficult
unless
they
get
An
ancestry,
certified
copies
of
both
of
them
and
show
you
trust
but
verify
all
through
the
accessory
dwelling.
You
may
be
able
to
understand
that
it's
accessory
dwelling
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
most
necessary
ones
are
going
to
get
it.
The
ones
that
pay
the
higher
rent
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
get
it.
I
I'm
I'm
supporting
this
as
we
come
back
and
look
at
adding
other
districts,
but
also
to
really
we.
We
really
need
to
start
grappling
with
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area,
and
what
we
want
to
see
so
I
would
I
would
like
to
add
that
to
the
discussion
of
expanding
where
we
allow
these,
but
also
really
really
talking
about
what
we
want
as
a
community
in
our
Coastal
High
Hazard
areas.
C
Anything
else
South
Tampa,
has
accessory
dwellings
units
already,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
in
the
corner
of
Palmyra
and
Hines,
which
is
going
even
further
south.
There
was
a
new
construction
that
has
an
accessory
dwelling.
There
motion
made
by
councilman
Maniscalco
seconded
by
councilwoman,
hurt.
L
H
I
H
L
H
G
B
H
Adu
related
change.
If
the
presentation
could
come
back
up
please.
This
relates
to
off-street
parking
required
right
now.
Adus
require
one
parking
space
on
the
site,
regardless
of
the
size
extended
family
residences,
which
are
600
square
feet
and
Below
do
not
and
they're,
essentially
the
same
the
same
type
of
use.
H
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
here
again
within
the
areas
that
we're
expanding
adus
into
sort
of
subsuming
extended
family
resonances
under
that
by
saying
that,
if
the
600
square
feet
or
below
is
an
Adu
parking
is
waived,
and
this
would
apply
to
the
same
section
that
was
just
approved
all
of
those
allowable
areas.
If
it's
600
square
feet
are
below
no
parking
is
required.
If
it's
600
greater
than
600
square
feet,
then
parking
would
be
required.
It
would
be
one
space
per
unit.
H
R
I
O
O
So,
by
the
way,
someone
can
make
a
motion
about
eliminating
them
downtown
anytime
soon,
but
we're
talking
about
adus
here
the
people
who
one
of
the
great
things
about
accessory
well
units
are
that
today-
and
this
is
I
say
this
all
the
time-
if
you
can't
afford
a
single
family
home
you're,
probably
in
crisis,
there's
nothing
smaller
than
a
single
family,
home
or
a
high-end
luxury
apartment
downtown
that
that
is
an
option
for
anybody.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
housing
stock.
O
That
is
good
transitional
housing
accessory
dwelling
units
fill
that
Niche
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
fear
that
every
single
one
of
these
is
going
to
be
an
Airbnb
and
some
will
that
every
single
one
of
these
will
be
charged
at
above
Market
rates,
and
some
of
them
will,
but
many
of
them
will
be,
will
be
sold
at
a
reasonable
price
per
square
feet
on
a
600
square
foot
unit
is
actually
relatively
affordable,
so
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
parking
costs.
Money
parking
is
not
free.
O
So
if
we're
trying
to
create
good
transitional
housing
opportunities
across
the
city
and
we're
saying
that
you
have
to
now
pay
all
this
extra
money
or
have
this
extra
land
for
parking
you're,
preventing
these
homes
from
being
built,
you're
actually
saying
we
want
adus,
but
we
don't
want
the
adus
for
the
people
who
can't
afford
parking
so
I
just
want
I
I
have
a
feeling
where
this
is
going
on.
The
vote,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
O
There
is
a
policy
reality
for
requiring
parking
that
there
will
be
fewer
options
that
are
fewer
adus
that
were
created
and
those
adus
that
are
not
created
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
that
would
have
been
the
most
affordable,
because
there
is
a
price
gap
between
housing
that
has
parking
that
doesn't
have
parking.
It's
a
real
Market
phenomena
and
it
people
who
don't
have
cars
because
they
can't
afford
them
should
not
be
paying
for
parking.
So
thank
you.
S
Justin
willitz
again
just
agreeing
mostly
with
Nathan
that
we
should
not
require
parking
either
we're
trying
to
make
affordable
units,
especially
near
Transit.
There's
just
no
reason
to
include
it.
Thanks.
Q
Q
Okay,
good
afternoon
again,
hopefully
this
is
the
last
time
when
we
talk
about
parking.
Are
we
talking
about
like
real
cement
or
asphalt,
because
in
much
of
our
city,
it's
okay
to
park
on
your
grass?
So
if
they're
doing
that,
I'm
not
against
it,
so
permeable
parking
should
certainly
be
considered
for
all
of
this.
Q
If,
if
that's
going
to
even
be
a
thought
process,
I
would
like
to
note
that
this
is
what
four
items
that
you
guys
have
discussed
this
afternoon
since
lunch,
and
it's
taken
you
three
hours
to
discuss
those
four
items
and
everybody
who
is
participating
in
this
at
least
has
a
clue.
What's
going
on,
we
were
expected
in
our
public
information
meeting
to
address
12
items
and
I
think
it
was
about
two
and
a
half
hours.
Long
stayed
for
the
whole
thing,
but
I
don't
remember
for
sure.
Q
So
just
imagine
doing
that
with
58
people
or
more
and
then,
of
course,
some
of
them
have
no
clue
what
they're
talking
about
the
guy
who
gets
on
and
tries
to
sell
his
3D
housing
and
all
this
other
stuff.
So
just
remember
how
how
much
we
possibly
got
done
during
that
time,
so
we
got
12
items
in
any
public
information
meeting
is
too
many,
but
y'all
have
a
great
day.
Thank
you.
P
Hi
this
is
Caroline
Bennett
I'm
in
favor
of
this
I
urge
you
to
go
ahead
and
vote
for
it
when
I
make
comments
about
the
public
information
meeting
in
no
way
whatsoever
was
my
intention
to
denigrate
staff
or
anything
that
they
did.
P
It's
just
that
as
Stephanie
just
said,
this
is
a
very
complex
issue
and
everybody's
having
a
little
trouble
understanding
all
of
the
details
and
if
I
have
not
made
enough
to
understand
them,
I
apologize,
but
I
would
like
perhaps
to
have
one
more
public
information
meeting
between
now
and
first
reading.
P
That
would
just
cover
the
adus
I
can
make
an
effort
to
educate
just
myself,
but
it's
hard
for
other
people
to,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
people
on
that
meeting
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
are
in
favor
of
it.
They
just
want
to
know
the
details.
P
C
C
L
Real
quick,
I
I
appreciate
your
Indulgence
this
this
is.
This
is
a
huge
step
forward
for
us
in
planning
for
our
city
and
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
alternative,
Housing
Solutions
at
a
time
when
we
are
pressed
at
the
seams
to
be
finding
those
opportunities,
I
did
just
want
to
go
over
the
schedule
that
we
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
Monday,
based
on
your
votes
today
on
those
items
that
you
selected
to
move
forward,
we
will
be
back
in
front
of
you
the
evening
of
December
1st
to.
L
C
K
Not
great
on
the
Adu
system
right
now
it
has
to
grow
me
because
I
don't
see
the
attainability
of
them
for
a
lot
of
folks.
I
see
this
as
we
have
capitalism,
because
I
I
did
ask
Miss
hertech
what
these
things
cause
for
somebody
to
rent
I'm,
hoping
that
with
us
going
forward
with
us
that
we
would
work
with
our
housing
department
and
I,
see
our
people
to
talk
about
how
we
can
have
some
programs.
If
we
do
this,
so
people
can
be
attainable
in
some
of
these
adus.
K
So
that's
what
I'm
looking
forward
to
see?
How
that
how
we
can
tie
those
in
to
get
folks
in
and
so
we're
not
charging
a
little
500
square
foot
Place
15
1600
bucks,
so
you
would
make
sure
we
kind
of
look
at
that
as
we're
moving
forward
and
some
policies
and
things
like
that
there'll
be
most
outstanding.
L
The
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
was
when,
depending
on
how
this
goes
and
when
we
get
to
second
reading,
I've
talked
with
the
team,
and
we
would
like
to
probably
have
an
effective
date
on
this.
Unlike
your
typical
ordinances
that
go
into
effect
as
they
are
signed,
we
would
have
an
effective
date
of
this,
like
April
1st,
or
something
like
that,
to
give
the
code
a
chance
to
change
and
to
get
this
lined
up
in
a
position
that
it
would
then
go
into
effect.
Unlike
with
West
Tampa
overlay,
you
changed
that
day.
L
I
Maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
I
thought
some
of
these
were
slated
to
come
back.
November
17th.
L
There's
one
item
in
our
presentation:
we
asked
to
come
back,
November
17th.
It
was
the
last
slide.
It
was
the
change
for
the
West
Tampa
alleys.
We
did
not
talk
about
that
today
and
given
the
time
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
it
now.
So
if
we
could
set
that
for
November
17th,
we
would
bring
that
back
under
staff
reports
and
Stephen
would
present
that
to
you,
and
it
is
a
very
small
change
back
dealing
with
the
alleys.
L
R
Quick
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
you
and
Mr
Benson
and
Mr
cotton
for
all
your
hard
work.
I
think
I
know
how
hard
you
work,
but
I
really
have
no
idea,
because
this
is
a
huge
task
and
you
always
go
above
and
beyond
so
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
appreciate
you.
This
is
a
very
lengthy
discussion
but
necessary
and
and
meaningful.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
L
C
R
T
T
U
You
we
will
be
very
brief
and
we
appreciate
your
time
today.
We
want
to
address
the
two
motions
that
were
made
at
the
first
motion
has
to
do
with
answers
and
questions
that
the
public
provided
and
we
emailed
those
responses.
A
couple
days
ago,
I
do
have
paper
copies.
If
that
wasn't
something
that
you
were
able
to
see
in
your
email
box.
U
The
other
item
was
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
Han
Avenue
project,
as
well
as
the
apprenticeship
ordinance.
So
just
very
quickly
again.
We
want
to
try
to
start
to
get
familiarity
with
our
process.
We're
going
to
be
following
our
grade.
8
process
of
our
chief
of
staff
mentioned
so
that's
embedded
in
everything.
We're
going
to
be
doing.
U
U
U
So,
very
quickly,
on
the
construction
part
of
the
motion.
Oh,
we
broke
ground
in
January
of
this
year
on
the
Hannah
Avenue
municipal
building,
we've
got
four
structures
to
build
the
main
building
the
parking
garage,
the
fleet
building
and
the
facilities
building.
This
is
all
part
of
our
decentralization
of
our
Fleet
and
Facilities,
which
everyone
is
excited
about
of
those
departments
that
depend
on
those
services.
U
There's
other
work
has
to
do
with
the
site:
the
site,
soil,
remediation,
underground,
piping,
stormwater
construction
and
utilities.
Currently,
the
project
is
what
we
call
30
complete
with
the
envelope
of
the
main
building
and
parking
garage
completely
up,
I'm
sure
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
drive
by
you
see
some
vertical
structures
there.
U
This
week
we
have
a
roofing
contractor
who's
mobilized
and
getting
that
started
electrical
on
the
parking
garage
is
starting.
We
have
deck
pours
in
the
main
building
underway.
Those
will
take
about
six
weeks
and
the
main
building.
We
expect
to
begin
the
curtain
wall,
installation
of
that
in
a
couple
weeks.
U
So
again,
the
first
motion
about
the
questions
we
did
provide
answers
on
those
and
again
I
can
provide
those
paper
form
if
you,
like.
The
other
part
of
the
motion
about
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
I,
know,
DPR
has
been
excited
to
partner
with
four
apprenticeship
programs
they're,
currently
working
with
APG
and
those
that
firm
is
doing
electrical
fire
alarm
and
data
Communications
work.
U
So
I
do
have
our
folks
here
to
answer
any
questions,
a
couple,
wonderful
stories
or
OT
Delancey
from
strategy
project
support
services
or
to
you.
If
you
could
just
wave
your
hand,
so
they
can
see
who
you
are
Thomas
Huggins
with
the
aerial
group
is
here.
Many
of
you
know
him.
I
was
going
to
offer
for
them
to
speak
if
we
had
more
time,
but
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'll
stop
there
and
let
any
questions
come
along
that
we
can
try
to
answer
for
you
got.
K
You
Mr
chairman
what
I
didn't
see.
I
thought
it
was
a
the
limit
questions
that
I
submitted
for
your
review
for
your
staff.
Gene.
A
K
K
Right,
yes,
so
what
I
didn't
see?
What
I
was
looking
for?
I
didn't
see
the
breakdown
I
wanted
to
see
the
breakdown
of
we
gotta,
say
minority
African-American
female
Hispanic
I
didn't
see
that
breakdown
I'm.
Looking
for
that
breakdown,
okay
and
then
I'm.
Looking
for
the
breakdown,
if
I
have
a
minority
I
want
to
know
the
breakdown
there,
because
I
could
have
a
minority,
but
who
are
they
hiring
as
well?
K
I
want
to
know
the
breakdown
of
both
I
think
we
need
to
have
at
least
every
couple
of
months
of
briefing
on
what
we're
doing
so.
People
can
say:
I
I,
don't
have
to
heal
when
I
drive
back
my
mother
lives
two
blocks
away
from
the
project.
I,
don't
hear
people
say
well,
I,
don't
see
anybody
over
there
working
that
look
like
us,
I,
don't
want
to
hear
that
I
want
to
be
able
to
see
what
those
breakdowns
are.
So
I
can
say.
K
Well,
these
are
the
numbers
they're
showing
me
so
I
can
trust
and
verify
what
people
are
telling
me
or
what
I'm
seeing
do
we
have
a
couple
of
questions
as
it
relates
to
when
we
talk
about
the
minority
Partners
our
projected
contract
to
actually
contracted?
How
does
that
work,
making
sure
that
if
you
provide
what
would
prevent
a
minority
partner
from
from
being
going
from
a
projected
contract
to
an
actual
contracted
person,.
U
I
think
I
might
ask
Brian
Yarbrough
to
answer
that,
so
I
can
make
sure
I
get
you
the
specific
answer:
I
have
sort
of
a
contract,
Administration
version
of
that
answer,
but
I'll.
Let
him
speak
directly
about
this
project
on
that.
V
Brian
Yarbrough
DPR
Construction
councilman
Goods.
In
response
to
your
question,
we
had
our
original
estimate
that
formed
that
that
GMP
agreement,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
projected
values
for
my
strategist
or
do
con
it's
based
on
that
estimate.
Now,
as
those
teams
have
gone
out
to
the
market,
solicited
proposals
and
pricing
has
come
back
from
trade
partners
and
they
get
a
contract.
There's
there's
some
variance
in
that
right
from
that
original
estimate.
So
that's
where
that's
projected
as
a
finalizing,
their
procurement
and
execution
of
contracts
we're
getting
closer
to
exacting
that
number.
K
The
partnership
outlined
in
the
mou
will
there
be
any
service
opportunity
for
the
CDC
of
Tampa?
Would
it
contract
a
compensation
for
those
services.
K
V
K
K
So
what's
your
breakdown
of
here
to
your
middle
subcontract
to
your
your
yourself
down
here,
I
want
to
know
how
many
are
coming
from
East,
Tampa
I
think
that's
good,
that
we
know
how
many
people
are
applying,
how
many
people
are
getting
hired,
I
think
that's
critical
to
the
project
over
there.
I
don't
want
to
hear
they
didn't
hire
anybody.
People
lived
on
West
10,
which
I
I
to
me.
Minority
get
hired,
but
I
think
for
the
course
of
the
people.
That's
communist
communities
over
there.
K
They
want
to
know
how
many
people
got
offered
a
job.
I
actually
got
on
a
job
site.
So
hopefully
we
can
provide
those
three
things
in
the
future.
I
think
that'll
be
critical
for
me,
especially
in
my
district
I
can
say:
well
we
hired
people
from
East
Tampa.
We
have
some
names
of
people
who
actually
worked.
J
You
we
could
certainly
ask
for
that
information
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
that
they
have
no
legal
obligation
to
hire
a
certain
number
of
residents
from
a
specific
geographic
area
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
They
have
a
committed
to
certain
goals
in
the
contract
for
achieving
both
minority
business
and
small
local
business
enterprises,
and
those
are
the
things
that
we've
hired
envisioned
to
to
make
sure
that
they
do
meet
those
goals
and
they
also
meet
the
apprenticeship
requirements
in
our
code.
J
K
Contracts
a
closed
mouth
he
never
got
fed
so
I'm
opening
my
mouth
to
get
fed
I.
Don't
think
that's
too
hard
to
ask
if
I
hire
somebody
do
you
live
in
the
area,
I
think
that's
a
big
deal
or
if
I
do
hire.
I
have
the
contractor
there
to
know
how
many
minority
businesses
we
have
and
a
breakdown
of
that
sub,
who
you
hire?
How
many
minorities
you
did
hire
as
well.
So
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
should
be
a
big
big
issue.
Contraction.
J
Well
and
the
other
thing,
and
that
dream
Duncan
reminded
me-
and
we
do
need
to
be
careful-
there's
some
privacy
safe
cards
too,
on
there
what
they,
what
they
can
require
from
the
the
folks
that
they
hire
and
what
they
have
to
report
out.
So
I
just
want
to
warn
you.
K
There
may
be
some
so
there's
I
get
you
I
ain't
worried
about
that
I
mean
I.
Ain't
got
to
know
that
I
just
need
to
know.
Did
we
hire
somebody
from
East
Tampa?
We
hired
one.
We
had
five
I
said
well,
we
only
have
five
people
apply,
only
five
of
them
got
hired.
At
least
we
can
know
I,
don't
have
to
know
the
name
telephone
address,
but
did
we
do
it
or
was
the
effort
to
do
it?
Mr
Douglas.
You
follow
me
because
you
know
I'm
gonna
spank
it.
K
If
I
don't
ask
these
questions
all
right
other
than
that
I
thought
the
report
was
was
good.
You
did
ask
my
questions
and
again
I'm,
just
hoping
that
we
get
some
regular
updates
on
the
project
not
way
down
the
line.
But
every
couple
of
months
come
back.
Give
me
something
so
I
can
be
able
to
tell
people
we're
doing
as
these
things
are
going
up.
I
mean
erected
that
way.
I
don't
have
the
people
in
my
ears
saying
I,
don't
see
nobody
over
there
working.
U
It
sounds
if
I
could
add.
We
will
be
coming
back
in
January
for
our
chief
of
staffs
offering
to
come
on
a
semi-annual
basis,
we're
kind
of
getting
that
started.
So
it's
not
exactly
a
six
month
separation,
but
we
will
be
back
in
January
and
we
can.
We
can
certainly
give
you
some
of
the
information
before
then,
but
we'll
have
more
of
a
comprehensive
project
update
in
January
as
well.
N
I'll
be
very,
very
brief.
I
know,
we're
pressed
is
very
brief.
Number
one
I
know
this
is
obvious.
These
are
State
Certified,
apprenticeships
right,
yes,
sir
I
would
assume
so
and
I
didn't
know
so.
Miss
Duncan,
so
I,
I
didn't
know
this.
The
apprenticeship
ordinance
went
into
effect.
In
other
words,
they
DPR
could
have
had
an
argument
that
it
didn't
that
it
didn't.
The
apprenticeship
ordinance
didn't
apply
to
this
particular
contract,
but
they
voluntarily
did
it.
Is
that
what
you
were
saying?
That's.
U
V
So
I
think
when
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
passed,
I
believe
it
was
March
of
of
21
and
the
city
put
a
list
together
of
kind
of
contracts
that
were
underway.
This
one
pre-existed
that
that
ordinance
and
so
is
a
firm
that
has
nearly
4
000
craft
employees,
Nationwide
women
and
men
that
are
putting
tool
belts
on
every
day.
Workforce
development's
important
to
us,
and
so
our
conversations
with
the
city
were
that
we
were
committed
to
this
and
you
know
it's.
V
It's
been
a
steep
learning
curve,
certainly
the
first
project
being
subject
to
it,
but
I
think
we're
trending
very
well
with
you
know
several
apprentices
on
site
and
some
from
East
Tampa.
Even
so,
you
know
we're
continuing
to
gather
that
data
and
learn
as
we
go.
But
it's
we
feel
like
we're
on
the
right
track.
N
Well,
what
we
we
all
appreciate
that
100,
you
know
what's
great
about
that.
That
ordinance
is
that
it
takes
the
Contracting
process
and
has
contractors
who
meet
a
certain
threshold
to
invest
in
our
young
people
in
the
creation
of
the
future
of
our
middle
class
in
Tampa.
So
that's
that's
great,
but
we
we
appreciate
that
100,
because
I
I
was
unaware
of
that.
I
should
have
been,
but
I
wasn't
aware
of
that.
Well,
thank
you!
That's
it
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
C
C
C
G
G
R
Hold
on
all
right
on
on
September
15th
city
council
received
an
email
from
the
chief
of
staff
requesting
us
to
schedule
two
privately
initiated
tax
amendments
on
our
October
27th
city
council
agenda.
Unfortunately,
we
inadvertently
failed
to
make
that
motion.
So
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
schedule
the
two
proposed
pitas
on
the
November
17
2022
city
council
meeting
at
1,
30
PM,
one
applicant
is
East
Tampa
community
redevelopment
area
and
the
second
applicant
is
Tyler
Hudson.