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A
A
B
B
B
C
Morning,
I'd
like
to
introduce
for
the
many
teeth
time
the
right
Reverend
Jeffrey,
Alex
James,
Johnson
PhD.
He
has
seen
and
acknowledged
as
a
voice
for
his
for
this
generation.
He
has
an
amazing
ability
to
minister
effectively
to
all
age
groups.
His
Dynamic,
preaching
teaching
and
leadership
style
is
coupled
with
an
intellectual
and
spiritual
approach
to
real
life,
accompanied
by
a
down-to-earth
sense
of
humor.
C
He
was
also
honored
by
Saint
Thomas
Christian
University
for
his
commitment
to
Ministry
with
a
doctorate,
Divinity
degree
in
2006.
he's
also
among
many
other
things.
We
just
mentioned
a
Navy
chaplain
station
at
mcdeal,
and
he
works
for
the
CDC
Robert
Johnson.
It
will
stand
to
say
the
invocation,
then
we'll
do
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
D
And
loving
father
first,
please
allow
me
to
say
thank
you
on
behalf
of
all
of
us
who
are
gathered
here
today.
Thank
you
for
your
many
Abundant
Blessings.
Thank
you
for
life
itself
for
the
measure
of
Health.
We
need
to
fulfill
our
callings
for
sustenance
and
for
friendship.
Thank
you
for
the
ability
to
be
involved
in
useful
work
and
for
the
honor
of
being
appropriated
with
responsibilities
in
this
life
thanks
as
well
as
for
the
freedom
to
embrace
you
to,
and
the
freedom
to,
reject
you.
D
Thank
you
for
loving
us,
even
so
from
your
boundless
and
gracious
name
in
the
scriptures.
You
have
said
that
citizens
ought
to
obey
the
governing
authorities,
since
you
have
established
those
very
authorities
to
promote
peace
and
Order
and
Justice.
Therefore,
I
pray
for
our
mayor
for
our
city,
council
and
City
officials,
and
in
particular
those
who
are
gathered
here
today,
I'm
asking
that
you
will
graciously
grant
them
wisdom
to
govern
amidst
conflicting
interests
and
issues
of
our
times.
D
A
sense
of
welfare
and
true
needs
for
our
people,
a
king
thirsts
for
justice
and
righteous
confidence
in
what
is
good
and
fitting
the
ability
to
work
together
in
harmony,
even
when
there
is
honest
disagreement,
personal
peace
in
their
lives
and
joy
in
their
tasks.
Finally,
father
I
pray
for
the
agenda
set
before
them
today.
Please
give
Assurance
of
what
will
please
you
and
what
will
benefit
those
who
live
and
work
in
and
around
our
beloved
City
of
Tampa
in
your
most
beloved
name,
I
pray,
amen,.
B
D
H
F
Actually,
I'm
going
to
be
working
with
the
the
clerk's
office
to
have
the
agenda
itself
amended
to
reflect
the
changes.
B
Just
so
the
viewing
audience
knows
what's
going
on.
Can
you
just
give
give
a
brief
Talk
on
why
we
are
no
longer
going
to
do
presentations
of
guidelines.
F
That's
because
those
guidelines
have
been
incorporated
into
your
rules
of
procedure,
a
copy
of
which
newly
amended
is
in
front
of
you
and
I've,
also
emailed
it
to
to
the
administration
to
distribute
to
the
city
staff,
and
that
was
adopted
by
resolution
number
2023-251
on
March
16th
and
what
that
does
then
is
it.
It
refers
people
to
the
instructions
and
that
are
available
which
will
be
on
the
agenda
and
also
importantly,
on
the
city's
website
at
tampa.gov
forward,
slash
city
council.
F
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Shelby,
finally,
catching
up
after
covet.
Okay,
we
are
going
to
now
go
to
public
comment.
Anyone
wishing
to
give
public
a
comment
at
this
time.
Would
you
please
approach
the
podium
in
the
front
of
the
room
and
you
will
be
given
three
minutes
for
public
comment.
If
you
could,
please
state
your
name.
I
Good
morning,
good
morning,
I
am
Sally.
Itsy
Lee
from
the
volunteer
missionary,
Society,
Penn
and
fun
and
I
have
been
a
minority
business
for
three
years.
It
is
now
my
time
to
be
re-certified
and
I.
Might
the
dry
bones?
Bureau
and
I
need
help,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
you
to
ask
Chief
Deputy
Johnson
that
I
wanted
to
apply
for
one
of
the
small
grants
that
he
has
and
I
thought.
Since
you
all
know
me,
you
might
recommend
my
program
I've
been
working
and
running
for
a
long
time
trying
to
get
a
project
going.
I
Chief
Jeopardy
Johnson's,
but
I
had
got
a
referral
when
I
heard
him
on
the
radio,
Saturday
and
Bishop
Patty
had
referred
me
also
my
program
she
is
given
and
it's
only
been
running
on
a
small
amount
of
funding
and
after
we
got
closed,
I
had
just
moved
from
the
library
to
50th
Street
and
we
got
closed
down
two
days
later.
I
But
who
can
you
be
afraid
of
when
you
working
for
God
and
doing
his
business
and
I
am
and
I
would
like
you
all
to
recommend
to
him
to?
Let
me
apply
for
one
of
the
grants:
I
don't
know:
Chief
Deputy,
Johnson,
I
just
heard
him
and
weak
and
I
called
him
later
and
I'm
still
waiting
to
hear
from
him,
and
this
would
be
an
outstanding
Grant
and
it's
all
the
proof
you
need.
I
This
is
work,
real
work
that
I've
done
and
I
would
truly
like
to
get
some
help
so
that
we
can
open
back
up
and
I
asked
God
to
just
help
me.
Here's
I
had
out
mine
and
we
were
having
a
one-hour
lemonade
sale
at
the
Belamar
store
one
hour.
That's
all
she
gave
me
and
we'll
be
selling
lemonade
for
two
dollars.
I
I
F
It
may
be
relevant
to
what
I'm
about
to
say
so
I,
if,
with
all
deference,
if
I
can
yield
to
Mr
Goods,
sir.
B
J
Probably
talking
about
the
dpd
cares:
Grant
they're,
giving
out
to
different
organizations,
so
miss
Sally
I
personally
will
send
a
memo
over
the
deputy
chief
Johnson.
If
you
get
in
contact
with
you
of
how
to
fill
out
the
application,
they
might
have
different
criteria.
I
don't
know
if
you
may
meet
all
those
different
criteria,
but
I'll
be
sure
to
have
Deborah
Chief
Johnson
to
try
to
get
in
contact
with
you.
J
F
And
thank
you
councilman
and
following
that
up.
If
this
is
a
function
of
the
administration,
what
it
sounded
like
she
was
requesting
may
not
be
appropriate
for
you
to
do
from
the
Deus.
So
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
issue,
but
it
looks
like
the
solution
has
been
produced.
So
thank
you.
I
B
K
Good
morning,
Stephanie
Poyner
I
wanted
to
confirm
that
this
is
a
workshop.
So
I
can
comment
on
the
other
items,
as
they
are
heard.
Correct.
That's
usually
the
case.
Okay
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
a
couple
little
things
that
I
would
like
to
address
one.
It's
my
understanding
that
we
had
candidates
that
were
running
for
office
who
did
not
live
in
the
city
of
Tampa
and
when
I
contacted
the
Board
of
Elections,
they
said
not
our
problem.
We
don't
check
that
now.
K
I
will
note
that
when
councilwoman
her
attack
was
appointed,
there
were
two
people
who
ran
for
that
who
wanted
to
be
included
in
that,
and
they
were
almost
immediately
probably
within
24
hours
of
ruled
out
as
non
citizens
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
I
would
like
to
know
why
it
was
allowed
to
continue
why
it's
not
been
followed
up
on.
Why?
If
somebody
asked
about
it,
why
it
wasn't
investigated
there,
there's
one
for
that.
I'm
fairly,
certain
of
I'd
looked
at
the
tax
records.
The
tax
records
say
that
they
live
in
Riverview.
K
They
had
Homestead
there.
So
that's
another
issue
and
here's
my
problem.
My
problem
isn't
with
an
individual
candidate.
My
problem
is
that
that
candidate
probably
forced
us
into
a
runoff
which
costs
tax
dollars.
That's
an
issue
for
me.
Everybody
should
have
to
verify
where
they
live
and
standing
up
there
and
saying
I
filled
out
this
paperwork
and
I
didn't
lie
on
it.
K
That
requires
that
folks
need
to
be
in
the
city,
and
that
requires
somebody
to
verify
that
and
I
know
it
can
be
done,
because
it
was
done
when
this
her
attack
was
appointed.
So
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
happens
in
the
future,
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
for
just
a
second
about
the
mayor's
neighborhood
University.
K
It's
my
understanding
that
my
neighborhood
leaders
are
not
being
placed
in
the
mayor's
neighborhood,
University
and
I
know
that
none
of
you
have
anything
to
do
with
it
and
you've
never
been
invited.
You've
never
attended
unless
you
were
a
neighborhood
leader,
but
it's
my
understanding
and
I
have
already
emailed
about
it,
but
I
didn't
get
a
response
that
only
brand
new
neighborhoods
are
being
allowed
to
attend,
but
fan
is
not
being
informed
about
these
new
neighborhoods
or
their
participation
in
the
city.
Why
just
asking
so?
K
Those
are
a
couple
little
things
that
I
wanted
to
address
and
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you
from
the
very
bottom
of
my
heart.
You
know
how
near
and
dear
CMT
was
to
me
because
most
of
you
heard
about
it
when
you
tried
to
turn
it
off
when
the
governor
wanted
to
turn
it
off.
It's
very,
very
important
that
the
citizens
of
Tampa
have
a
voice
in
this
chamber,
because
that's
the
only
place
they
have
a
voice.
Thank
you.
L
Uhuru
mentez,
not
Tampa,
Florida
I,
said
huru,
because
the
Hulu
means
freedom
in
Swahili
and
we
say
we
as
African
people
should
always
be
thinking
about
our
freedom.
When
I
say
the
word
Freedom,
it
brings
the
joy
to
my
heart
to
know
we
can
think
about
freedom,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
this
city
council,
like
other
city
councils,
like
other
government
throughout
the
entire
United
States
throughout
the
world,
their
most
like
functionaries
in
public
governments
and
puppet
they're.
L
Not
even
leaders,
they're,
not
even
leaders,
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
we
see
what
happened
in
New
York.
We
see
what
happened
with
Donald
Trump.
We
see
what
happened
with
other
people
that
hey
anybody
can
run
for
these
offices
and
anybody
can
get
it.
They
had
a
man
from
McDonald's
running
from
the
office
for
like
the
beast
in
city
government
ain't,
nobody
knowing
nothing
but
being
an
employer,
and
that's
it
nothing
in
the
community,
nothing
anywhere.
Nobody
knowing
for
other
than
a
big
Fiasco.
L
He
had
down
in
the
neighborhood
down
in
Bayshore
Boulevard,
but
that's
a
certain
kind
of
reality
that
we
as
African
people
different
people
have
different
problems.
We
see
African
people
come
down
here.
They
talk
about
speed,
bumps
drugs,
loud
music
whatsoever.
They
talk
about
you
know,
but
it's
of
no
significance.
We
as
African
people
when
we
approach
these
City
councils
and
city
government
and
private
corporations.
We
need
to
talk
about
reparations
and
I
want
to
say
to
black
people.
I
want
to
say
to
black
people
that
white
people
have
a
duty
and
responsibility.
L
They
owe
us
trillions
and
trillions
and
trillions
of
dollars
that
our
ancestors
didn't
work
for
free.
We
didn't
work
underpaid,
we
didn't
get
all
this
slavery,
America
or
no
one
else.
White
Western,
Civilization
isn't
getting
that
for
free
and
we
need
our
reparations.
So
African
people
when
we
come
down
here
and
most
African
people
are
scared
to
come
down
here.
L
That's
why
you
don't
see.
We
have
a
lot
of
problems
in
the
hood,
but
most
African
people
won't
even
come
down
here,
Perry.
Why?
Because
they're
they're,
afraid
they're
simply
afraid
they're,
afraid
of
government
they're
afraid
of
the
police,
they're
afraid
of
getting
kicked
out
of
their
homes,
they're
afraid
of
everything,
people
are
afraid
of
everything,
they're,
afraid,
they're
100,
terrified,
and
that
that
that
that
that
Terror
just
leads
mostly
African
people
to
all
kind
of
craziness
alcoholism,
drug
addiction,
miseducation
we're
not
being
educated,
nothing.
L
The
system
does
absolutely
positively
nothing
for
us
and
sending
them
trillions
and
trillions
and
trillions
of
dollars.
That's
our
dollars.
San
Francisco,
say
five
million
dollars
per
person,
real
dollars,
not
inflated
dollars,
and
we
need
part
of
that
money.
Black
people.
When
we
come
down
here,
we
have
to
talk
about
reparations.
L
That's
the
only
thing
we
have
to
talk
about
reparations
all
that
other
stuff,
don't
matter,
white
people
owe
us
and
they
have
to
pay
us
plain
and
simple:
we're
not
talking
about
speed,
bumps
we're
not
talking
about
live
music,
we're
not
talking
about
Parks
and
Recreation,
we're
not
talking
about
Martin
Luther,
King
holidays
in
June,
for
none
of
that
ignorant
stuff.
We're
talking
about
white
people,
always
individually
millions
of
dollars
in
reparations.
Thank
you.
H
Good
morning,
I
said
good
morning:
good
morning
my
name
is
Captain
William
Paradise,
Missionary
Baptist,
Church
1112
is
Scott
Street
and
I'm
grateful
to
God
to
be
here
to
see
another
day.
I
want
to
read
some
scriptures
to
you
all,
but
I
know
you
all
don't
want
to
hear
them,
but
but
God
still
love
the
world.
Sammy
Davis,
only
begotten,
son
and
whosoever
believe
in
him
shall
not
perish
but
have
everlasting
life
I.
H
Just
thank
God
for
this
day
and
it's
a
blessing
for
all
of
us,
not
just
me,
because
I
believe
in
Jesus
Christ,
but
for
all
of
us
you
know:
I
was
listening
at
TV,
the
other
night
and
Ukraine
begging
for
us
to
help
them
and
we're
telling
them
that
we're
going
to
send
66
million
dollars.
H
They
don't
need
no
money
to
fight
for
they
need
some
bodies
come
over
there
and
help
them
out.
But
we
sit
back
like
a
well.
They
ain't,
they
ain't
killing
me.
So
that's
the
way
it
ought
to
be.
Now
we
need
to
go
and
defend
them.
People
and
people
don't
have
no
weapon
to
fight
with,
and
yet
we
sit
back
here.
Talking
about
what
we
done
did
we
ain't
did
nothing.
H
We
got
the
Navy,
it's
got,
the
army
got
the
Apple,
get
the
National
Guard
and
once
in
nobody
over
there
help
them
people
die
and
that's
the
way
y'all
treated
us
in
Tampa.
Anyway,
black
people.
We
don't
want
to
do
nothing
to
help
us
out
either,
but
we're
praying
the
almighty
God.
That
God
will
intervene
and
do
what
he
need
to
do
and
whatever
he
needed
to
do,
he
got
to
do
it.
H
H
N
O
H
H
B
M
For
you
there
I'm
here,
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Michael
Randolph
and
I'm
with
the
West
Tampa
Community
Development
Corporation,
what's
unique
about
today.
Is
that
I'll
be
speaking
doing
this
thing
and
I
also
keep
the
focus
that
I'll
be
talking
about.
This
community
benefit
agreement,
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
first
of
a
kind
in
the
nation
and
that
it
would
be
down
by
the
community
that
sat
at
the
table
to
create
its
own
deal.
M
There
are
four
key
components
to
this
that
I'll
talk
about
today
later
on
this
evening.
I'll
talk
about
the
numbers
first
key
component
is,
is
that
it
reduces
densification
intentionally
and
by
Design.
The
other
thing
it
does
is
to
reduce
crime
by
providing
opportunity
for
those
who
part
of
the
Criminal
Justice
System.
It
creates
generational
wealth
and
that
it
provides
people
with
an
opportunity
to
start
their
own
business
that
adds
supplemental
income
as
well
as
full-time
income,
and
finally,
it
reduces
the
tech,
technological
Gap
in
the
community.
M
As
you
know,
45
of
residents
in
West
Tampa
lives
the
lows
of
poverty
level.
Every
night
they
go
to
bed
wondering
whether
or
not
they'll
be
displaced
by
the
new
development.
That's
going
on
our
programs
intentionally
and
by
Design
makes
sure
that
we
reduce
gentrification,
think
about
the
mother.
That's
been
working
for
years,
three
kids
pay
rent
and
now
the
rent
is
going
up.
She
can't
afford
it.
Our
program
provides
supplemental
income
for
her
to
be
able
to
do
it.
M
It
also
focuses
on
those
with
criminal
records,
the
disabled,
senior
sentencing
and,
at
this
youth
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
the
team
that
you've
been
meeting
tonight
to
say
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
to
show
that
we
can
reduce
justification
and
have
free
development
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
B
P
Funny
because
we
often
say
in
city
council
that
there
are
staff
reports
that
should
be
workshops
well.
I
have
two
workshops
here
that
probably
should
be
staff
reports.
So
I
don't
anticipate
these
going
very
long
for
purposes
of
Workshop.
But
just
wanted
to
note
the
irony.
But
yes,
sir.
B
Okay,
jet
item
number
two
Mr
bday
has
asked
that
this
be
continued
until
April
27th.
Q
B
Have
moshu
to
continue
this
from
councilman
VR
seconded
by
councilman,
Amanda
Scott,
all
in
favor?
Any
objections
motion
carries
agenda
item
number
three
councilman
Viera
again
we'll
go
forward
with
it
agenda.
Item
number
four:
councilman
Carlson.
N
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Martin,
Shelby
city
council
attorney
just
a
reminder,
counsel,
and
it
appears
on
your
agenda
at
11
o'clock,
where
the
administration
is
going
to
be
and
I'll
be
requesting
a
a
hard
stop
for
a
closed
session
and
as
it
is
listed
on
the
agenda,
and
we
will
discuss
that
at
the
time.
If,
for
whatever
reason,
council
is
in
done
with
this
agenda,
I
would
ask
that
you
take
a
recess
till
11
o'clock
and
then
reconvene
here
to
go
announce
to
go
into
closed
session.
F
But
if
you
could
see
in
front
of
you
that
each
of
the
council
members
are
included
so
I'd
ask
that
you
remain
for
that.
If
you
please
do
for
the
discussion
and
when
we
go
into
closed
session.
What
you
do,
then
is
you
would
go
up
to
the
location
of
it,
which
would
be
on
the
on
the
eighth
floor
of
Old
City
Hall
and
in
the
conference
room,
and
then
we
go
immediately
into
the
closed
session
as
soon
as
we
can
and
then
return
back
here.
P
P
P
Think
you
do
a
great
job,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
and
so
this
we
we've
spoken
about
this
before
you
know
the
reason
I
brought
this
up
is
the
the
Tampa
Bay
area
has
I
believe
the
third
highest
concentration
of
people
who
are
deaf
or
hard
of
hearing
within
our
United
States.
P
So
I
wanted
to
see
what
if
any
city
services
could
be
improved
on
this,
we
I
was
requested
to
do
this
by
our
friend
Mr
DC
gustafis
who's
such
a
nice
gentleman
and
whatnot,
and
so
I
just
before
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
work
and
and
all
your
diligent
efforts.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
thank.
G
You
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Council
for
all
of
their
support
for
Access
for
persons
with
disabilities
in
our
community
I
know
our
community
members
feel
the
support
daily.
They
really
appreciate
all
of
your
leadership
and
especially
councilman
vieira's
leadership
in
the
community.
They
hear
frequently
from
community
members
about
the
Gratitude
they
have
for
each
of
you
for
the
acknowledgment
of
access
for
persons
with
disabilities
and
importance
of
it.
G
So
I
wanted
to
First
share
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak
about
how
the
city
is
serving
and
making
sure
that
persons
who
have
hearing
disabilities,
who
are
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing,
have
access
to
our
city
services.
So
one
of
the
major
requirements
under
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
is
that
we
actually
have
an
ADA
notice.
G
This
provides
individuals
with
an
opportunity
to
request
accommodations
as
they
need
it,
so
the
city
of
Tampa
actually
has
an
ADA
statement
that
should
be
placed
on
all
of
our
meeting
notifications,
our
public
event
notifications,
so
that
persons
with
disabilities
actually
have
an
opportunity
to
request
accommodation
that
they
might
need
that.
So,
for
example,
might
that
might
be
for
individuals
who
are
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
might
need
American,
Sign,
Language
interpreting
services
or
captioning
services,
so
there's
a
mechanism
for
them
to
request
it.
G
Also
too,
with
effective
communication,
we
do
have
contractors
available
for
American,
Sign,
Language,
interpreting,
Services
those
have
been
secured
and
in
place,
and
we
also
have
agencies
that
provide
the
captioning
Services
you'll
notice.
Our
City
Council
meetings
are
always
captions
with
the
thanks
for
TNI
to
arrange
those.
G
The
City
Tampa
also
receives
a
lot
of
accolades
in
regards
to
our
efforts
during
emergency
preparedness
and
disaster
preparedness
to
make
sure
community
members
who
are
deaf,
who
use
American
Sign
Language,
actually
understand
the
messages
that
our
emergency
management
team
and
mayor
Castor
is
sharing
I'm
very
grateful
for
our
Communications
and
marketing
team
and
that
they
allow
me
to
be
able
to
coordinate
American
Sign
Language
interpreting
when
I
hear
from
the
community
I
often
hear
that
this
is
not
a
common,
a
comment
or
a
service.
G
That's
provided,
and
many
individuals
in
other
locations
often
feel
at
a
disadvantage
because
they're
not
readily
understanding
what
is
happening
during
those
emergency
events,
so
they're
very
grateful
for
our
city
efforts
in
that
way.
Some
of
our
best
practices
that
we
do
is
we
actually
have
an
advisory
council
with
the
Tampa
mayor's
Alliance
for
persons
with
disabilities,
and
these
are
comprised
of
individuals
who
have
varying
disabilities
and
I
also
actively
participate
in
the
Hillsborough
County
Alliance
for
Citizens
with
disabilities.
Both
groups
actually
comprise
of
persons
with
disabilities.
G
Local
agency
providers,
I
continuously
seek
feedback
from
them
on
how
we
might
be
able
to
improve.
Our
services
in
fact,
have
recently
outreached
to
several
community
members,
as
well
as
USF,
who
are
deaf
and
Hardy
hearing
about
a
project
with
the
Tampa
Police
Department
in
regards
to
communication
cards,
I'm,
hoping
that
these
communication
cards
might
be
able
to
facilitate
communication
with
individuals
who
are
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing.
In
addition
to
that,
tpd
and
fire
rescue
currently
have
in
place
the
special
needs
registering.
You
may
have
seen
about
this
I
think
about
two
years
ago.
G
It
was
actually
launched.
Last
year,
I
lose
track
of
my
time.
We
also
they
also
initiated
a
program
where
community
members
can
receive
stickers
that
they
can
place
either
on
the
front-facing
window
or
inside
their
home
or
on
their
vehicle
to
alert
First
Responders
to
know
that
they
may
have
a
disability,
for
example,
a
person
who's,
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
an
individual
has
Alzheimer's
or
dementia
people
who
are
autistic
and
have
special
needs
and
individuals
who
are
diabetic.
G
So
these
can
also
be
the
notifications
to
our
First
Responders
to
let
them
know
that
there's
an
individual
who
either
is
in
the
vehicle
or
resides
in
the
home
that
might
have
some
communication
limitations
and
and
being
able
to
interact
with
the
First
Responders
and
they'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
P
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
again
this.
This
is
because
of
the
great
work
that
the
city
of
Tampa
is
doing.
This
is
more
like
a
staff
report,
so
so
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Let
me
ask
you
with
regards
to
First
Responders
with
police
and
fire:
do
you
think
that
is
there
maybe
room
for
more
training
whenever
it
comes
to
maybe
identifying
people.
G
Yeah
so
I
I
know
for
a
fact
that
new
fire
rescue
recruits
actually
receive
Ada
training.
I
was
actually
just
out
there
yesterday
with
a
new
fire
rescue
recruits,
I
believe
also
new
tpd
employees
also
have
an
ADA
training
that
they
go
through.
It's
a
virtual
training.
N
P
Great-
and
it
seems
to
me
from
from
just
from
what
I've
seen
that
the
the
the
Buckhorn
administration's
autism,
sensory,
friendly,
Tampa
autism
friendly
program,
seem
to
have
a
trickle-down
effect
on
other
areas
of
disabilities
with
the
city
becoming
more
cognizant
of
it,
and
this
appears
to
be
one
of
them,
which
is
obviously
a
wonderful
thing.
So
so
actually
it's
funny
I
have
no
further
questions.
Okay,
okay,
thank.
R
Wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
this
as
well.
I
think
this
is
absolutely
fabulous.
It's
good
to
see
that
we're
always
continuing
to
find
room
for
improvement
and
ways
to
expand,
and
so
it
sounds
like
we're
doing
a
wonderful
job.
So
my
only
question
is:
what
are
your
plans
in
the
future
like
what
are
we
doing
to
either
reach
out
to
more
or
are
there
other
initiatives
that
you
would
like
to
go
forward
with
that?
We,
as
a
council
can
help
excellent.
G
So
and
thank
you
councilman,
so
typically,
the
plans
always
are
to
continue
to
self-evaluate
to
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
at
all
of
our
processes.
I
try
to
embed
myself
in
regards
to
any
new
projects
that
are
happening
with
the
city
of
Tampa
post
questions
in
regards
to
how
accessor
persons
with
disabilities
are
actually
being
considered.
I
have
a
wonderful
job
because
all
of
our
city
colleagues
are
very
receptive
to
when
I'm,
posing
the
questions
and
usually
have
a
solution.
G
Focused
approach
to
the
efforts
that
we're
trying
to
do
I
always
think
it's
very
important
to
hear
from
the
community.
So
I
continue
to
involve
myself
in
actual
meetings
within
the
community
outreaching
to
various
community
members.
One
area
that
I
would
like
to
do
and
I
actually
spoke
with
councilman
Vera
about
this.
We
currently
do
not
have
a
person
on
the
mayor's
Alliance
for
persons
with
disabilities,
who
has
who
is
either
deaf
or
hard
of
hearing.
G
When
we
initially
did
Outreach
we,
we
actually
did
try
to
focus
and
and
pointed
the
application
process
to
several
community
members
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
do
the
recruitment.
But
some
of
the
individuals
that
we
had
targeted
actually
had
a
lot
of
commitments
professionally
with
their
work
and
we're
finding
it
difficult
to
extend
themselves
for
another
committee.
G
R
Q
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
Yeah
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
always
thinking
about
being
inclusive
and
welcoming
to
everyone
and
I
think
you're
you're
doing
that
you,
your
team,
you
know
people
that
we
recruit
and
we
keep
the
focus
on
on.
N
Q
G
Q
P
S
This
is
with
regards
to
item
three
on
the
agenda
and,
as
a
reminder,
legal
staff
asked
us
to
research
the
possibility
of
an
ordinance
for
the
city
council
Charter
amendment
to
be
patterned
after
the
27th
Amendment,
where
pay
increases
do
not
take
effect
until
after
an
election
in
my
research,
I
found
that
this
has
been
done
by
city
council
resolution
as
opposed
to
a
charter
Amendment
or
an
ordinance,
for
example,
on
May
26
2005
city
council
approved
a
resolution
that
set
the
salary
of
city
council
members
and
then
authorized
annual
increases
in
salary
equal
to
the
across
the
board,
salary
increases
provided
to
managerial
employees
and
then
had
a
cap
at
three
percent.
S
P
Is
it
so
it
takes
effect
after
an
election,
just
like
the
27th
Amendment
of
the
Constitution,
which
says
if
the
Congress
raises
their
salary
outside
of
cost
of
living,
adjustments,
which
you
said,
because
that's
not
that's,
not
a
inflation,
that's
post-inflation
or
pre-inflation
adjustment
that
it
takes
place
after
an
election.
That's
it,
and
so
again
this
is
a
staff
report.
P
This
is
not
really
something
for
a
workshop,
but
I
I
I
think
this
is
something
that
is
good
government,
which
is
if,
if
city
council
raises
its
salary
outside
of
the
three
percent
inflation
that
it
should
come,
it
should
take
effect
after
an
election.
Just
like
we
have
for
congress,
I,
I
I,
think
it's
simple
I
think
it's
common
sense,
I
think
it's
good
government
and
transparent
and
and
that's
it.
T
You
Mr
chairman,
if
I
remember
the
whole
thing
and
I'm
here
growing
by
memory.
I,
don't
have
any
papers
in
front
of
me
how
it
started
or
what
the
it
was
based
on
Miami,
St,
Petersburg
and
Orlando,
and
if
I
recall
one
was
58,
one
was
54
and
we
were
at
53
or
something
like
that
and
I.
Don't
know
where
this
came
from.
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
against
razors,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
a
42
percent
raise
and
that's
what
a
bouncer
was
just
about.
It's
from
53
to
72.
T
and
I
certainly
didn't
do
that.
If
you
ask
anyone
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
anyone
who
has
been
an
employee
anywhere
I,
don't
think
anyone's
ever
gotten
a
42
race
increase
or
if
you
ask
any
employer
when
they
were
working,
did
they
get
a
42
percent
increase
and
those
are
the
things
that
just
I
don't
sit
well
with
I'm,
not
opposed
to
the
same
thing
that
happened
to
the
general
employees,
we're
no
better
or
no
worse
than
anyone.
T
We
just
were
fortunate
enough
to
leave
the
city
and
make
it
better
at
times
than
someone
else
did
before
us.
So
those
are
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at
and
then
there's
another
question
which
I'm
going
to
see
how
much
I
can
find
I,
don't
know
where
this
came
from
I,
don't
want
finger
pointing
from
the
administration
out
of
council,
the
council
from
the
administration
or
a
combination
of
both
but
I'd
really
like
to
find
out.
If
you
can
who
started
this
me,
I
didn't
I
understand
me.
T
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
me,
but
the
72
percent
me
had
to
have
somebody
bring
it
to
somebody
else.
Then,
and
I
want
to
know
where
that
trail
leads
to
well.
B
S
B
P
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
this
is
no
relevancy
whatsoever
to
propose
salary
increases,
Etc
et
cetera,
that
this
is
just
for
saying
that
in
the
future,
whenever
city
council
raises
that
salary
outside
of
inflation
adjustment
that
it
that
it
takes
place
after
election,
that's
it
I
mean
I,
I
and
again,
council
members
can
speak
whatever
they
want
to.
God
bless
them
Etc.
However,
just
in
terms
of
my
intent
for
this,
it's
very
narrowly
tailored,
and
and
what
not
to
this
issue-
and
that's
all
thank
you.
C
Yeah
this
this
discussion,
as
my
colleague
just
said,
was
just
about
making
it
making
sure
that
any
raise
would
come
after
an
election,
but
on
the
on
the
idea
of
raises
clearly
the
administration.
During
the
budget
hearing
proposed
publicly
that
city
council
get
a
raise,
it
was
not
something
proposed
by
city
council.
C
After
the
fact
they
said
that
dingfelder
had
requested
it,
but
he
had
been
gone
from
city
council
for
months,
and
so
that
was
not
a
good
excuse
and-
and
we
found
out
later,
that
it
was
a
setup
because
it
was
in
mailers
I
had
like
three
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
had
I
had
like
three
mailers
against
me.
Talking
about
it
and
again
to
whoever
had
this
idea,
you
failed
because
I
won
by
20
and
the
public
didn't
care,
so
the
public,
the
public
wants
is
good
government,
transparent
government.
C
They
want
balance
of
powers,
and
you
know
I
had
someone
worth
300
something
million
dollars
run
against
me,
because
most
professionals
cannot
give
up
their
jobs
to
give
up
their
day
jobs.
This
really
is
a
full-time
job.
Most
people
can't
give
up
their
day
jobs
to
work.
In
an
office
like
this
I'm
not
going
to
run
for
City
Council
in
four
years,
I've
already
said
that
I
want
in
the
next
couple
years
to
have
some
kind
of
structure
that
will
pay
city
council
members,
A
Better
Living
wage
in
the
future.
C
There
needs
to
be
an
apparatus,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
certain
percentage
increase
or
anything
like
that,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
certain
apparatus.
Frankly,
most
of
the
other
city
council
members
in
the
in
the
state
are
paid
too
little
as
well.
I
lived
in
Singapore
five
years
where
they
believe
in
fighting
against
corruption
by
paying
people.
Well
also,
it's
obviously
if
the,
if,
if
the
administration
worked
with
campaign,
people
to
send
out
three
mailers
against
me
and
it
had
no
impact,
it's
not
a
political
issue.
C
What
people
may
not
realize
is
that
city
council
members
get
invited
to
events
all
the
time
and
we
have
a
choice.
We
can
either
file
an
Ethics
form
saying
that
we
accepted
a
big
gift
or
we
pay
them
back.
I
pay
people
back,
so
somebody
offers
me
a
ticket
if
it's
300
or
whatever
I
pay
them
back
I.
Don't
let
people
give
me
gifts
above
a
hundred
dollars
if
you're
only
earning
fifty
three
thousand
dollars
a
year?
You
can't
afford
to
do
that,
and,
and
would
you
I'm
asking
the
public?
C
Would
you,
rather
your
city
council
member,
be
able
to
reimburse
somebody
for
a
ticket
or
get
a
free
ticket
even
if
they
disclose
it?
My
proposal
is
they
get
paid
enough
that
they
can
afford
to
pay
for
the
ticket
themselves?
We
shouldn't
have
people
having
to
accept
that.
The
other
thing
is
that
and
we're
going
to
discuss
this
in
the
next
item.
C
By
the
way,
half
more
than
half
my
after
tax
salary
went
to
paying
legal
fees
answering
other
people's
subpoenas.
This
is
a
very
dangerous
volatile
job,
with
all
the
really
nasty
dirty
politics
going
on
right
now,
the
politics
have
gotten
worse.
In
the
last
few
days
than
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life,
this
is
the
this
is
like
this
is
serious,
Third,
World
stuff,
that's
going
on
in
Tampa
right
now
and
I,
don't
know
who
exactly
is
behind
it?
C
We
need
people
who
can
stand
up
to
threats
and
and
pay
themselves,
and
we
need
people
who
won't
take
gifts
and
so
I
I
think
I'm
not
proposing
anything
right
now,
but
we
need
some
structure
that
will
affect
the
next
city
council
in
four
years
that
will
protect
the
Integrity
of
city
council
so
that
we
have
Independence
and
a
balance
of
powers
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
J
Anyone
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
tapes
of
when
all
this
came
about
the
citizens
came
and
spoke
about
how
we're
underpaid
there
were
no
council
members
talked
about,
we
were
underpaid,
the
citizens
talked
about
that
and
then
after
they
talked
about
it,
so
much
I
believe
Mr
dingfelder
then
said
have
Mr
Bennett
look
into
what
other
cities
make
that's
what
happened?
What
do
other
cities
make
and
all
of
a
sudden
the
administration
came
back
and
now
we
know
it
was
a
setup.
N
J
On
the
radar,
so
how
can
we
be
a
major
city
and
other
people
are
making
more
money
than
a
council
making?
And
what
obsessed
me
is
this
is
that
you
know
we.
We
infect
politics
so
much.
It's
just
become
unreal.
The
things
that
people
are
doing
so
people
won't
be
re-elected
the
things
that
people
say,
the
lawsuit,
the
intimidation,
tactics
that
have
been
going
on.
J
It's
just
unreal
and
you
you.
You
can't
try
to
be
a
good
council
member
and
be
driving
all
over
in
your
District,
trying
to
go
to
events
and
see,
but
gas
is
high,
gas
is
high,
and
so,
if
you
a
person
who
just
really
wants
to
serve-
but
you
know
you-
you
barely
meet
your
a
Ami
like
any
other
regular
citizen,
but
you
got
to
go
to
events,
so
it
means
you
got
to
drive.
You
got
to
spend
gas
money,
you
know
Mr
Crosser
talked
about.
You
know
you
have
to
pay
for
things.
J
Sometimes,
if
you
don't,
you
don't
want
to
report
things
that
come
up
come
along
with
this
job,
and
you
know
for
many
many
people
say
it
was
a
part-time
job.
Then
I
asked
one
day:
well,
how
was
it
Charter
service,
a
part-time
job?
There's
nothing
to
charge
is
a
part-time
job,
but
you're
asked
to
do
so
much,
but
get
so
little
and
I.
Just
think
that
you
have
to
stay
above
the
radar
and
be
able
to
be
equal
to
everybody
else.
J
You
can't
be
under
because
we're
Tampa,
because
we
don't
want
to
you,
know
election
here.
We
don't
want
people,
think
we're
at
no.
The
citizens
didn't
didn't,
complain
or
come
here
say
you
guys
shouldn't
get
a
raise.
You've
got,
they
didn't
say
any
of
that.
None
of
that
didn't
hear
any
of
that.
The
whole
time
that
was
going
on
it's
not
a
matter.
You
know
all
respect,
not
a
matter
of
42,
I.
Think
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
bringing
bringing
it
up
to
the
same
level
as
everyone,
the
other
cities.
J
But
but
again
you
know
everyone
has
their
own
opinion.
That's
what
this
country
is
made
of.
Individuals
have
their
own
opinion.
I.
Just
think
that
when
you
look
at
when
people
want
to
serve,
you
want
the
the
the
the
the
best
people
trying
to
serve,
but
you
don't
want
them
to
go
broke.
Trying
to
serve.
J
Things
have
risen
so
if
you're
a
councilman,
who's,
renting
and
well
that
well
you're
gonna
get
extra
money
from
it's
going
up,
so
I
mean
we
want
to
be
fair
to
everybody,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
be
logical
to
say:
okay,
we
want
to
stay
even
with
everybody
else
to
where
we're
not
losing.
You
know
our
livelihoods.
Thank
you.
T
Maybe
there
is
because
I
haven't
checked,
but
when
you
say
you
compare
something
to
something
else
and
the
highest
one
that
I
saw
was
58,
000
and
I
forgot
if
it
was
Saint,
Pete
or
Orlando
or
Miami
one
of
the
three,
and
when
you
do
that
to
72,
that's
fourteen
thousand
dollars
more
than
the
hire
someone's
ever
getting
paid,
and
it's
not
about
money.
It's
about
service,
and
let
me
tell
you
another
thing:
I've
heard
about
buying
tickets
here
buying
tickets
there!
T
Well
guess
what
that's
also
what
they
give
you
every
month,
I,
don't
know
what
is
250
230
dollars,
two
hundred
sixty
dollars,
I,
don't
know
what
it
is
because
I
never
taken
it.
So,
every
four
years
whatever's
in
that
money,
I
tell
the
city
to
donate
it
to
anyone.
They
want
to
affordable
housing
to
whatever
it
is
not
in
my
name,
I'll
leave
it
right
where
it's
at
so
it's
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
Pat
myself
in
the
back
I.
T
Don't
do
that
but
I'm
just
telling
you
the
facts:
I'm
28
years
old
backwards,
I
work
seven
days
a
week
and
I'm
here
as
much
or
more
than
anyone
else,
and
if
you
don't
believe
me,
I
put
cameras
in
the
hallway
show
you
what's
happening.
So
these
are
the
and
I'm
not
casting
aspiration
I'm,
not
saying
they're
not
coming
to
work.
T
N
P
Ahead,
I
was
just
going
to
and
again
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
This
is
something
that
is
very,
very,
very
nearly
tailored.
It
does
not
preclude
a
future
city
council
from
having
a
salary
increase
of
any
kind.
It
just
simply
says
that
outside
of
an
inflate
inflation
adjustment,
if
we
do
ever
in
the
future,
raise
our
shallower
that
would
go
over
to
another
city
council,
because
we
shouldn't
do
that
before
or
take
the
benefit
of
that
before
an
election,
just
like
the
27th
Amendment
says
for
congress
Etc.
P
So
so
again,
this
I
I
re
everybody
who
has
spoken
here,
I
really
really
respect
everybody's
opinions
and
experiences
Etc
on
this
there's
a
a
lot
of
issues
that
have
been
discussed,
Etc
that
this
is
something
that's
very,
very
narrowly
tailored,
so
I
want
to
make
a
motion
whenever
that
time
comes
just
to
have
this
come
back
to
us,
however
long
you
need,
if
Council
approves
it
in
in
ordinance
form
for
our
consideration
and
that's
all.
F
F
And
annual
increases
and
my-
and
it
turns
out
that
I
was
the
one
who
drafted
it
in
council's
Motion
in
2005.,
so
that
refreshing,
my
recollection.
What
was
the
difference
in
time
at
that
point
from
the
time
they
passed
that
resolution
until
the
time
of
the
election
two
years,
two
years,
okay,
and
just
a
reminder
that,
with
regard
to
a
resolution,
a
resolution
can
be,
it
can
be
changed
very
easily
by
another
resolution
withdrawing
it
with
you
know,
repealing
it
or
superseding
you
know.
However,
you
want
to
do
it.
F
That's
one
thing
with
regard
to
an
ordinance:
it
requires
two
readings,
a
public
hearing
and
the
like,
but
it
normally
is
done
by
resolution
and
again
a
council.
The
way
would
be
set
up
could
change
its
mind
just
so.
You
know
that
and
I
said
I
said
this
before
with
other
things.
F
Just
so
you
know
just
so
that
you're
clear,
but
it's
council's
pleasure
that
if,
if
the
particular
Council
when
this
resolution
passes
is
committing
to
doing
that,
that's
council's
choice,
in
other
words
Council
Justice
when
they
said
that
it's
been
on
the
books
since
2005..
Yes,
so
it's
council's
pleasure,
whether
you
want
to
do
it
by
resolution
or
whether
you
want
to
ensure.
P
Don't
want
this
to
disturb
anything
with
regards
to
inflation
adjustments
that
would
be
ridiculous.
I'm
talking
about
with
non-inflation
adjustment,
salary
increases
very
again,
very,
very
narrowly
tailored,
that's
it,
and
if
it's
resolution
ordinance,
we
got
to
say
12,
Hail,
Mary's
and
ate
our
fathers
to
get
it
done,
I,
don't
care
just
over.
We
got
to
get
done.
That's
it.
C
I
just
want
to
say
for
anybody
watching
the
the
the
pay
increase
that
councilmember
Miranda
was
discussing
was
not
one
presented
by
city
council
or
suggested
by
city
council
was
presented
by
the
chief
of
staff
during
the
budget
presentation.
The
mayor
was
not
able
to
be
here
for
the
budget
pre
annual
budget
presentation,
so
the
city
city,
Chief
of
Staff
in
her
place,
presented
it.
C
It
was
a
proposal
of
the
administration,
not
of
city
council,
and
we
were
asked
to
vote
on
the
budget
which
originally
at
least
included
that
the
so
this
city
council
anyway,
did
not
even
bring
up
the
idea
to
the
idea
that
that
council
member
Miranda
I
mean
Viera
has
about
about
making
sure
that
a
city
council
can't
raise
their
own
salaries.
C
I
I
think
it
should
be
you
you
mentioned
at
27th
or
whatever
amendment
I,
think
it
should
be
a
charter.
Amendment
and
I
also
think
that
that
a
charter
amendment
should
set
some
kind
of
I
proposed
in
the
day
when
all
of
my
proposals
were
rejected.
One
of
them
was
to
have
a
an
outside
Third
Party
Committee,
set
up
to
analyze
the
mayor's
salary
and
the
city
council's
salary
and
set
it
every
five
years
or
so.
C
It
still
would
have
to
be
voted
on
by
city
council,
I,
think,
but
depending
on
how
we
set
it
up,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
third
party
objective
apparatus,
so
it's
not
just
elected
officials
ingratiating
themselves,
but
it
but
at
least
to
the
narrow
part
of
of
City
Council
Members,
not
raising
their
own
salaries
and
and
only
raising
it
for
the
next
city
council.
I,
think
that
should
be
a
charter.
Amendment
a
resolution
or
an
ordinance
are
too
easy
to
change.
Thank
you.
F
The
so
and
so
I
want
to
know
I
guess
if
you
give
direction
to
come
back,
would
it
include
the
salary
increase
as
the
one
in
2005
did
with
the
effective
date
until
after
the
election?
As
this
one
did,
or
are
you
wanting
to
create
a
policy
by
resolution
or
ordinance
that
would
just
remain
on
remain
in
effect,
I.
P
I
merely
I
do
not
want
to
disturb
the
2005
resolution.
I
merely
want
to
say
that
if
city
council
raises
its
salary
again
beyond
that,
2005
resolution
Authority
that
we,
that
is
have
that
goes
every
single
year
that
it
goes
to
the
next
Council.
That
is
it.
That's
it,
okay
and
again,
by
the
way,
with
regards
to
what
councilman
Carlson
said,
I
actually
agree,
I
I
would
have
liked
it
for
it
to
have
been
a
charter
Amendment.
P
However,
I
did
take
the
position
that
if
we
can
do
something
via
ordinance
or
resolution
Etc
as
opposed
to
a
charter
amendment,
that
we
should
do
that.
So
that's
why
we're
here,
but
but
I
do
agree
that
that
it
is
something
that
is
structural,
that
that
would
probably
be
better
in
the
charter.
However,
we
can
deal
with
that
at
a
later
time.
In
my
bit,
those
comments
were
well
taken.
K
Come
on
Stephanie
Poynter,
Miss,
Miranda,
councilman,
Miranda
you've
asked
several
times
who
started
this.
That
would
be
me:
I
submitted
it
to
Chief
Bennett
two
years
ago.
I,
don't
remember
all
the
numbers,
but
we
pulled
the
numbers
for
the
closest
cities.
We
pulled
the
numbers
for
the
staff.
I
have
sent
you
guys
the
email
at
least
two
or
three
times
about
this.
So
when
you
want
to
know
who
started
this,
that
would
be
me.
K
I
did
the
research
I
took
the
top
five
staff
members
for
every
Department,
I
added
them
all
up.
I
averaged
them
all
out,
with
the
exception
of
legal,
because
they
make
more
money,
but
then
I
cut
it
in
half
and
that's
where
the
seventy
two
thousand
dollars
came
from
half
of
what
the
staff
members
make.
You
know
administrate
the
administrators
make
I'd
like
to
point
out.
Now.
The
discussion
is:
oh,
we
don't
need
to
have
a
42
raise.
K
K
Why
do
those
seats
up
there
have
to
take
a
vow
of
poverty
for
this
for
this
job
and
nobody
is
starving
to
death,
but
we've
all
seen
everybody's
financials
in
the
last
three
months,
because
they
were
publicized
and
there's
no
reason
not
to.
We
have
folks
who
would
like
to
run
for
Council
who
are
not
well
established
in
their
lives
and
I'm.
Sorry,
councilman,
Miranda
you've
lived
in
your
house
since
1974.
I
was
four
years.
T
K
K
K
We've
got
a
25
increase
in
our
population.
This
job
gets
more
and
more
cumbersome
every
year.
Because
of
that-
and
you
know
reality-
is
that
it's
just
very
frustrating
because
I
see
some
very,
very
good
neighborhood
leaders
who
would
love
to
run
for
city
council,
but
they
can't
because
they
would
lose
their
income,
which
means
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
pay
their
rent
or
their
house
payment,
and
they
would
have
to
take
a
cut
in
salary.
B
B
Brightest,
the
best
I
think
we
got
the
price
of
the
best
now
and
I
think
there's
some
people
out
there
that
are
running
for
office,
so
the
brightest
the
best,
but
they
also
have
another
job.
P
P
F
Resolution,
let
me
just
say
this
is
somebody
who
who
did
that
resolution
in
2005.
If
Council
wishes
to
do
it
that
way
it
worked,
then
that
was
the
like.
That
was
the
the
brought
to
your
attention
by
staff,
and
the
thing
is
that,
certainly,
whenever
it
comes
back,
that'll
have
to
be
considered
by
the
council,
who
is
going
to
be
considering
it
at
the
time,
the
new
term?
F
So
if
Council
wishes
I'm
I'm
able
to
draft
that
resolution,
certainly
we
know
it
exists,
I,
don't
know
if
Mr
vaskey
wants
to
do
it,
but
certainly
I
can
work
with
Council.
If
you
wish
Mr.
S
P
There
is
some
confusion
here:
okay,
I'm,
not
talking
about
inflation,
adjustments,
I'm
saying
that
if
we
raise
our
salary
above
that,
then
it
goes
if
this
body
does
so,
then
it
goes
to
the
next
Council.
Okay,
that's
it
that
that
that's
all
that
I'm
asking
in
this
I'm,
not
asking
for
the
2005
resolution
to
be
disturbed
in
terms
of
the
dictates
just
that
if
we
go
beyond
that
right
beyond
the
inflation
adjustment
up
to
three
percent
that
it
that
it
takes
effect
for
the
following
city
council,
just
like
the
27th
Amendment,
so.
F
F
For
the
next
Council
absolutely
absolutely
so,
then
what
that
Council
will
do
when
Nets
is
up
for
their
consideration
is
assuming
it
passes.
They
will
have
voluntarily
made
the
decision
that
they
will
not
consider
a
raise
for
the
remainder
of
their
term
other
than
what
has
been
already
set
forth.
A
three
percent
or
whatever
yeah.
C
Yep
we
were
criticized
because
the
charter,
Amendment
discussion
and
votes
were
so
late.
That
was
actually
a
staff
issue
also
because
it
kept
getting
delayed,
although
we
were
blamed
for
it,
but
now
we're
two
years
out
from
the
the
presidential
election
we
could.
We
could
vote
now
and
start
the
process
of
putting
creating
an
ordinance
that
would
put
a
charter
Amendment
on
the
ballot
in
what
is
that
20
2024
whatever,
whenever
it
is,
we're
only
18
months
out,
so
there's?
No,
we
got
criticized
for
going
late.
C
If
we
started
early,
it
seems
to
make
sense
all
it
would
say
it.
It
wouldn't
talk
about
any
numbers.
All
it
would
say
is
that
any
any
any
increase
in
raise
other
than
cost
of
living
could
only
could
only
be
approved
to
impact
the
next
Council.
Not
whatever
council
is
sitting.
That's
all
it.
T
S
O
Is
Allman
I'm,
sorry
I
just
want
both
Justin
and
I
are
frustrated,
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
are
two
different
things.
A
resolution
would
be
the
method
to
increase
everyone's
salary
if
what
councilman
Vieira
is
asking
for
is
basically
something
that
governs
the
city
council
and
says
if
you
pass
a
resolution,
increasing
the
salary.
N
N
O
T
N
T
B
P
You
and
I
think
there
was
some
confusion,
yes,
that
that
is
what
I
want.
So
I
will
then
amend
my
motion
to
make
that
an
ordinance
for
the
following
council's
consideration
and
we
can
have
it
in
we're
in
March
when
everybody's
well
settled
in
in
July,
give
them
four
months.
Yeah.
That's.
B
E
F
B
J
Hope
that
Mr
Carlson
in
the
future
will
make
the
motion
as
it
relates
to
a
structure
that
way
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
political,
Fallout,
who's
afraid
to
vote
on
on
money
and
issues.
So
hopefully
you'll
get
the
support.
The
next
counsel
to
put
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
put
a
mechanism
in
place
in
the
charter,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
these
discussions
going
forward
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
C
I
wonder
considering
all
the
confusion
just
now
number
one
I
want
anybody
watching
a
public
to
know
that
all
we
voted
on
was
a
proposed
ordinance
that
would
limit
any
existing
city
council
from
raising
their
own
salary.
That's
what
we
voted
on
so
number
two.
When
it
comes
back,
would
it
be
prudent
because
of
the
confusion?
Would
it
be
prudent
for
it
to
ask
the
clerk
to
put
a
note
in
that
says
specifically,
this
is
not
a
discussion
about
raising
salaries.
F
P
Well,
so
again,
to
restate
the
motion:
I
I
restate
the
motion,
which
is
to
come
back
on
July
27th
I,
believe
it
was
with
a
proposed
ordinance
for
consideration
by
city
council
that
would
preclude
a
city
council
from
raising
their
own
salary,
Beyond
The
Adjustment,
the
inflation
adjustment
and
I
incorporate
councilman
Carlson's
suggestions
when
he
stated
that
we
put
on
the
notice
for
the
agenda
for
the
public
that
this
is
not
about
us.
Raising
our
salary.
T
At
it-
and
it's
been
so
convoluted
now
for
the
public
to
understand
that
I'm
laughing
at
myself,
because
any
ordinance
and
any
Council
coming
after
us
by
ordinance
can
supersede
any
orders
that
we
write.
So
the
moot
question
is
mooked
because
they
can
do
whatever
they
want.
So,
let's
face
reality,
let's
be
realistic
about
the
things
and
it
happens
all
the
time
for
different
reasons
for
whatever.
T
So,
if
you
really
want
to
do
something,
then
you
have
that
Council
put
it
or
this
Council
put
it
at
some
election
date
of
future
councils
in
the
charter
and
let
them
vote
for
it.
Then
it's
codified
in
the
charter.
That's
the
only
way
you're
going
to
solve
it,
don't
give
it
to
another
electric
body.
They
can
do
whatever
the
hell
they
want
with
it
and
I'm.
Sorry
to
say
the
word
hellish
I
said:
h:
e
double
hockey
sticks,
but
those
are
the
things
that
are
going
on.
T
You
can't
fool
society
today
and
we're
not
trying
to
fool
Society,
but
we
have
so
many
things
on
the
table
going
this
way,
and
this
way
they
don't
know
I
mean
it's
a
little
confusing
to
say
the
least.
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
if
you
really
want
to
do
something,
have
the
future
Council
put
it
on
the
charter
for
a
vote
and
therefore
the
public
votes
on
it,
not
the
seven
or
eight
elected
officials
of
this
city
or
any
other
city.
That's
going
to
be
here.
C
Yeah
council
member
Miranda
just
said
in
a
different
way.
The
same
thing
I
was
saying
that
that
it
should
be
a
charter
Amendment
and
because,
because
any
ordinance,
any
City
any
other
city
council
can
change
it's
it.
I
don't
know
if
the
folks
who
voted
no
would
vote
Yes
if
it
was
a
charter
Amendment.
C
But
if
we
had
the
votes
now,
I
might
ask
my
colleague
to
restate
the
motion
for
a
third
time,
but
but
if
not
I
would
ask
him
to
talk
to
legal
and
come
back
in
July
and
propose
a
a
charter
Amendment
instead,
I
think
I
think
you
know
all
the
despite
spending
200
000
against
the
charter
amendments,
three
of
them
passed
and
and
this
one
would
probably
get
90
to
100
of
the
vote,
because
most
people
would
be
in
favor
of
not
having
a
city
council
raise
their
own
salaries.
T
T
So
when
you
put
a
subject,
that's
yes
for
this
and
know
for
this,
but
yes
they're
going
to
get
the
majority,
but
if
you
get
the
same
one-
and
you
put
it
up
here
for
yes
and
you
switch
it
around
it's
going
to
pass
because
people
like
to
vote
positive,
they
don't
like
to
vote
Negative.
They
don't
like
to
listen
to
negative
news.
They
don't
like
to
listen,
there's
enough
negative
things
in
this
world
that
maybe
that's
what's
causing
this
civilization
to
go
half
wacko,
because
it's
everything
is
negative.
T
P
And
I'm
glad
to
discuss
that
councilman
Carlson
with
City
staff
I
mean
again
I
actually
wanted
this
to
be
an
ordinance
but
or
strike
that
to
be
a
charter
Amendment
and-
and
we
can
look
at
that
when,
when
we
go
for
our
next
election,
even
your
election
110
supportive
of
that
I
say
we
get
what
we
can
right
now
and
with
regards
to
an
ordinance
I
mean
we
can
the
city
council
can
override
any
ordinance,
we
pass
a
ton
of
ordinances
and
they
can
all
be
overridden,
but
there's
a
process
and
and
what
not?
P
For
that
so
I
said
we
get
what
we
can
today
on
an
idea
that
I
think,
as
has
been
said,
has
90
percent,
probably
approval
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
if
not
the
State
of
Florida
and
and
then
look
at
a
charter
Amendment,
which
I'll
be
gladly
talking
to
legal
about
that.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Council.
B
P
Yeah
gosh,
okay,
my
motion
was
to
have
a
city
of
Tampa
legal,
come
back
with
a
draft
ordinance
that
would
preclude
any
future
city
council
from
being
allowed
to
raise
their
own
salary.
Beyond
what
the
2005
resolution
on
the
three
percent
says,
and
and
and
also
to
have
the
agenda,
this
is
the
only
part,
that's
amended
to
have
the
agenda
for
that
date
in
July
of
27th
reflect
that
this
is
not
consideration
of
a
salary
increase
by
city
council.
That's
it.
E
E
Vera,
yes,
Miranda.
No,
her
Tech.
F
F
B
P
Mr
Shelby,
we
did
pass
the
the
motion
without
the
clarification,
so
is
that
four
to
three
vote
still
in
effect.
B
F
B
B
C
Just
says:
thank
you.
This
is
a
discussion.
We've
had
many
times
and
the
can
keeps
getting
picked
down
the
road.
The
issue
is
that
we've
had
political
and
other
interests
targeting
City
Council
Members,
with
with
litigation
subpoenas,
extensive
public
records,
searches
and
it
it's
the
the
cost
of
it
is
a
huge
burden
on
city
council.
The
public
feels
that
these
lawsuits
or
threats
of
lawsuit
are
intimidating
city
council
members
and
could
sway
votes
that
potentially
could
lead
to
litigation
against
the
city.
C
The
public
and
some
of
us
anyway,
have
felt
that
that
the
the
city
attorneys
in
the
past,
not
this
City
attorney.
The
City
attorney
in
the
past
have
not
fully
defended
city
council
and
despite
the
fact
that
the
charter
says
that
that
the
city
attorney's
office
should-
and
so
it
has
been
recommended
by
many
attorneys
outside
that
we
put
in
some
steps
to
more
narrowly
Define
what
the
what
the
protections
are,
and
there
are
some
creative
ideas
on
how
to
address
that.
U
C
The
idea
being
that
that
that
I'll
give
you
one
example
now
shut
up
the
health
care.
Excuse
me,
the
health
care
contract
of
the
city
is
healthcare.
Insurance
of
the
city
is
self-insured,
but
it
is
run
by
a
private
insurance
company,
and
so
the
the
payments
that
are
made
under
the
health
insurance
policy
are
made
in
a
decision
by
the
private
insurance
company,
not
by
a
political
appointee.
So
there's
no
politics
in
the
process,
at
least
in
theory,
so
analogy
I've
used
before.
C
If
someone
needed
a
lung
transplant
which
is
very
expensive,
the
the
private
insurance
company,
using
the
the
policy
of
the
insurance
would
decide
whether
someone
gets
a
health,
a
lung
transplant.
How
much
would
go
in
at
the
city
in
theory,
by
Charter
and
by
rules
we
have
City,
Council,
Members
or
elected
officials
have
and
department
heads
and
and
volunteer
chairs
have
the
fence
by
the
by
the
City
attorney,
but
there
and
there
is
a
risk
policy.
C
But
in
Long
discussions
we
found
that
there's
a
500
000
deductible,
so
anything
above
500
000
is
covered
in
a
policy
that
specifically
written
with
with
specific
coverages
but
below
the
500
000
it's
self-insured
and
what
we
discovered
through
interviewing
prior
City
attorneys.
Is
that
there's
no
specifics
to
it?
C
It's
an
arbitrary
discussion
based
on
how
that
political
appointee
interprets
the
law
and
what
I
think
I
would
want,
and
probably
others
is
more
certainty,
because
if
there's
certainty
about
how
and
when
a
city
council,
member
elected
official
would
be
covered,
that
hopefully
would
be
a
deterrent
for
frivolous
lawsuits
and
and
and
and
help
the
public
feel
safe,
that
their
elected
officials
are
are
protected
and
ultimately,
if
an
elected
official
has
done
something
wrong.
That
goes
in
a
separate
category.
C
But
when,
when
someone
is
using,
if
someone
used
the
litigation
or
threat
of
litigation
to
intimidate
a
city,
council,
member
or
or
otherwise
harm
them,
that
could
that
could
cause
concern
in
the
community?
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Martin,
Shelby
city
council
attorney.
What
I
have
done
is
taken
City
council's
discussion
over
this
period
of
time
and
attempted
to
craft
a
way
to
address
the
concern.
As
I
said
to
you
previously,
most
cities
and
governmental
entities
have
a
reimbursement
model,
in
other
words,
there's
a
policy
in
place.
That
says,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
the
determination
has
to
be
made
that
is
brought
to
the
body,
and
then
the
body
considers
it
for
reimbursement.
F
Now
again,
the
policy
that
I
included
in
the
draft
ordinance,
which
I
provided
to
you
and
again
I,
just
want
to
state
that
what
this
is
is
this
is
a
proposal
to
be
able
to
address
what
I
think
are
the
concerns.
F
I
want
to
just
at
the
outset,
just
State
what
the
policy
is
and
and
it's
sort
of
a
a
concise
statement
of
the
concern
that
I've
heard
expressed
by
Council
and
just
so
that
the
public
is
aware
of
it.
That
the
purpose
of
this
ordinance,
which
is
in
the
recitals
and
it's
also
in
the
in
the
body
of
it,
is
that
there
exists
a
municipal
purpose
to
expend
funds
to
provide
for
elected
officials
to
perform
their
duties
while
serving
a
public
purpose
without
personal
financial
threat
of
legal
action.
F
And
that
was
the
message
that
I
believe
Council
had
given
that
why
they
wanted
to
move
forward
with
a
process,
because,
in
effect,
the
process
as
I
it
stands
now
appears
to
be
a
case-by-case
basis.
An
ad
hoc
process
and
what
I
had
attempted
to
do,
was
to
look
to
other
jurisdictions
to
see
how
they
set
forth
the
guidelines
to
be
able,
so
that
the
people
who
are
governed
by
this
ordinance
and
by
motion
specifically
Council,
asked
to
apply
to
elected
officials.
So
it's
not
an
ordinance
that
doesn't
apply.
F
It
does
not
apply
to
to
officers
or
employees,
although
in
other
jurisdictions,
indemnification
or
an
ordinance,
a
policy
would
generally
apply.
But
this
being
the
case,
it's
this
argument
is
somewhat
unique
in
that
regard.
But
what
I've
done
is
provided
a
means
to
allow,
as
it
says,
in
the
title
of
the
ordinance
to
allow
for
representation
and
reimbursement,
including
payment
of
associated
costs
of
elected
officials
in
defense
of
civil
litigation,
claims
proceedings,
actions
and
ethics.
F
Complaints
are
rising
out
of
or
in
connection
with,
the
performance
of
their
official
duties,
while
serving
a
public
purpose,
and
it
authorizes
a
risk
fund
or
and
or
insurance
for
such
purpose
and
again
for
the
public.
So
they
know,
and
as
council
member
Carlson
stated,
it
authorizes
the
recovery
of
dispersed
City
funds.
In
the
event,
an
elected
official
is
determined
to
be
personally
liable,
and
that
was
the
intent
behind
this
to
create
a
process.
So
it
is
at
least
delineated
and
clear.
F
It
is
really
an
amalgam
of
many
jurisdictions
across
the
state,
but
very
few
of
the
jurisdictions
have
a
process
that
allows
the
City
attorney
to
actually
or
the
twofold
number
one
is.
The
city
of
Terry
makes
the
determination
initial
determination
that
could
that
the
city
attorney's
office
can
represent,
or
in
the
case
of
a
conflict,
the
City
attorney
couldn't
assign
that
and
designate
a
conflict
Council
or
in
the
alternative.
F
Then
what
happened
is
the
the
elected
official
who
is
needing
that
representation
can
then
engage
a
private
attorney
and
the
city
within
pay,
those
reasonable
expenses
and
costs,
and
that's
basically,
the
model
it's
presented
for
your
consideration.
F
I've
presented
it
to
the
City
attorney,
who
has
just
a
frankly
just
received,
had
just
received
it
and
and
I
we
didn't
have
it
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
any
concerns
that
that
the
City
attorney
may
have
and
I
don't
know
whether
we
have
not
talked
about
it
privately
at
this
point
in
time,
so
I
presented
for
Council
I,
don't
know
what
council's
direction
is
at
this
point,
but
Ms
zelman
did
you?
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
appreciate
that,
yes,.
B
Q
You
very
much
Mr,
Shelby
and
I've
been
looking
over
the
ordinance.
You
know
we
were
talking
about
salaries,
and
you
know,
people
that
want
to
serve
won't
be
able
to
serve
whatever
that's
a
different
discussion,
but
if
we
don't
have
protection
in
place,
no
one's
going
to
want
to
serve
because
of
the
risk
of
you
vote
the
wrong
way.
You
do
the
wrong
thing
in
your
official
capacity
in
your
official
duties,
who's
going
to
want
this.
Besides,
you
know
the
the
stress
that
comes
with
it
whatever,
but
we've
seen
in
the
last
year.
Q
You
know
consequence
consequences
of
what
have
happened,
costs
that
people
have
incurred.
You
know
that
was
already
discussed,
but
I
would
be
glad
to
support
this
I.
Think
it's
clear
I
think
you
know
because
specifically
specifies
in
the
performance
of
their
official
duties.
Q
You
know
whether
it's
a
vote
here
on
the
Deus,
whether
it's
you
know
coming
from
a
city,
email
whatever
it
is
it's
in
the
official
capacity
as
that
elected
official.
So,
unless
there's
any
other
discussion
or
concerns,
I
think
it's
very
clear
and
well
written
I
understand
it's
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
here
it
says
you
know
the
city
has
to
defend
or
should
step
in
to
defend
an
elected
official.
He
said
not
an
officer
whatever
specifically
tailored
to
us
or
the
elected
body.
Q
That's
it
I!
Don't
you
know
I
see
here
this,
whereas
the
purpose
of
this
common
law
rule
is
to
avoid
the
chilling
effect
that
a
denial
of
representation
might
have
on
public
officials
in
performing
their
duties
properly
and
diligently
again,
you
know
scared
to
vote
one
way
or
another,
knowing
that
they're
not
going
to
be
covered,
should
there
be
any
litigation
or
lawsuit
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to
support
this
any.
B
U
C
Think
it's
very
well
written
and
well
researched.
It
is,
it
is
I,
think
mostly
a
restatement
of
of
what
we've
heard
from
city
attorney's
office
with
with
respect
to
state
law
and
what
can
and
can't
be
approved
I.
My
biggest
concern
with
it
is:
is
that
there's
still
too
much
a
subjectivity
in
it.
U
And-
and
it
gives
it,
it
gives
too
much.
C
Flexibility
for
a
City
attorney
to
reject
City
councils,
City
Council,
Members
request,
and
even
though
we
have
a
good
I,
think
a
good
relationship
with
this
City
attorney.
You
never
know
what
we're
going
to
get
in
the
first
or
somebody
will
have
in
the
future
and
city
council
needs
to
be
protected.
C
The
second
thing
is
that
I
think
there
has
to
be
some
other
kind
of
policy
that
that
covers
up
to
some
basic
limits,
and
I've
mentioned
this
before,
for
example,
and
we
and
miss
Shelby
and
I
have
talked
about
this
weekend-
have
a
further
conversations
about
it.
But,
for
example,
if
the
city
put
in
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
a
self-insured
fund
and
if,
if
we
needed
to,
we
could
each
pay
the
eight
of
us,
including
the
market,
pay
a
dollar
a
month
or
whatever
premium.
C
So
it's
not
the
city
paying
in
there
are
certain
restrictions
on
how
the
city
can
reimburse
because
of
state
law.
But
if
it's
an
insurance
policy,
the
city
is
self-funding,
that
is
but
the
premium
is
paid
I'm
just
making
this
up,
but
as
an
idea,
then
what
it
would
do
is
I
I.
Think
that
policy
would
have
very
broad
definitions
about
how
city,
council
or
sorry
elected
officials
would
be
covered
up
to
the
first
fifty
thousand.
C
That
would
be
a
huge
deterrent
for
frivolous
lawsuits
and
it
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
be
as
restrictive
or
subjective
as
the
rest
of
it,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
separately
is
maybe
make
a
follow-up
motion
to
have
a
once.
If
this
is
passed,
have
a
follow-up
motion
to
come
back
at
another
time.
With
that
proposal,
also
the
chief
of
staff
talked
to
some
folks
and
in
some
cities
the
as
part
of
the
benefits
to
elected
officials.
C
The
the
government
agency
pays
part
of
all
of
a
premium
for
an
umbrella
liability
policy
for
the
individual,
just
like
you
would
pay
for
health
insurance
or
any
other
kinds
of
service.
So
I
think
with
a
combination
of
those
three
things
we
would
be
secured
enough
and
again.
If
someone
does
something
wrong,
then,
and
it
and
it
breaks
the
law,
no
amount
of
insurance
is
going
to
protect
that
this
is
not
about
protecting
anybody.
T
T
F
Oh
pardon,
it
does
both
well
and
that
and
that's
what
that's,
what
makes
this
not
the
reimbursement
model.
So
the
answer
is
yes
that
would
be
done
and
it,
and
that
is
something
that
is,
is
provided
for.
It
is
still
ultimately,
ultimately
in
all
the
things
that
I've
looked
at
throughout
the
state.
F
Somebody
has
to
be
responsible
for
signing
off
on
spending
City
funds.
Now,
council,
member
Carlson
has
talked
about
a
a
self-insured
fund
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
that
would
have
to
be
I
guess,
funded
somehow
initially
a
dollar
a
month.
This
came
to
mind
when
you
said
that
I
I
wonder
how
that
would
be.
F
I
had
an
opportunity
just
to
talk
briefly
this
morning
with
the
chief
of
staff
about
insurance
and
the
administration
would
be
willing
to
work
to
be
talking
with
the
the
people
who
deal
with
their
insurance,
the
broker
and
the
like
to
be
able
to
find
out
different
models
that
can
be
able
to
do
that.
Certainly,
that's
something
that
was
discussed
a
way
back
and
when
the
risk
manager
was
here
and-
and
it
really
wasn't
able
to
be
addressed
at
that
time
or
it
wasn't
addressed
so
Council
I.
F
What
I'd
I'd
like
is
and
I'm
aware
of
the
fact
that
Ms
Zellman
does
have
some
concerns
that
she
that
she
and
I
have
not
discussed
so
I,
don't
know
how
long,
how
soon
or
how,
when
you
would
like
this
to
come
back
but
I'd
like
that
opportunity
to
be
able
to
at
least
get
the
benefit
of
knowing
what
she
knows
and
what
she's
concerned
about,
or
what
she
has,
what
comments
she
has
I
apologize
again.
We
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
it
on
such
short
notice.
F
Well,
it's
within
it's
when
the
performance
of
their
duties
is
it's
within
the
scope
of
what
they
are
set
to
do.
In
other
words,
it's
in
the
how
do
I
phrase
it
what's
the
best
way
to
put
it
the
definition
of
it's
a
legal
definition
for
the
performance
of
their
duties,
but
that
is
something
that
is
done.
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me,
I
wish
I
did
have
the
language.
F
Well,
I
would
I
I'll
give
you
an
example
that
was
just
said
to
me
this
morning,
in
the
context
of
let's
say
somebody
who
is
able
to
take
their
vehicle
to
and
from
work
and
take
it
home
and
driving
home.
What
they
do
is
they
perhaps
have
something
to
drink,
and
that
causes
a
a
tort,
an
action
against
the
the
the
driver
and
perhaps
the
owner
of
the
vehicle,
and
then
what
happens
is
then
that
would
be
found
to
be
perhaps
outside
the
performance
of
their
duties.
F
That
is
not
within
the
scope
of
their
employment,
and
that
would
then
make
that
something
that
would
not
then
then
be
covered
generally
speaking
and
a
determination,
a
determination
of
that
has
to
be
made
at
some
point
in
time.
The
question
here
and
I
think
this
is
some
of
the
concerns
of
city
council.
The
question
here
is
at
what
point
is
that
determination
made,
because
if
that
determination
is
made
prematurely,
then
does
that
then
perhaps
signal
or
indicate
that
perhaps
that
the
city
would
not
then
cover
in
the
event
of
a
lawsuit?
F
And
that
was
a
concern
of
counsel
in
the
past
and
I.
This
has
been
trying
to
it's
been.
It's
been
difficult
for
me,
Council
to
be
able
to
address
all
the
concerns,
because
I
will
share
with
you
from
a
percent
from
a
professional
and
personal
perspective
and
sitting
in
that
chair
for
almost
20
years.
F
I
have
seen
the
effect
that
this
has
had
on
city
council
and
the
council's
concerned
to
be
able
to
address
it
and
I'm
looking
for
a
way
that,
within
the
framework
of
the
way,
this
city
is
structured
and
with
the
city
attorney
to
be
able
to
resolve
this
in
a
way
that
provides
the
protection
that
the
council
wants,
and
that
has
been
a
challenge.
But
what
I've
done
is
crafted
a
a
model
to
be
able
to
address
the
concerns,
as
they've
been
expressed
to
me
and
that's.
F
Sunshine
Law,
if
there's
an
allegation
of
a
violation
of
Sunshine
Law,
then
then
the
facts
would
have
to
be
determined.
The
question
is
at
what
point
in
time
are
the
facts
determined
and
what
is
the
action
that
can
be
taken?
And
that
is
an
interesting
concept
to
be
able
to
put
into
this
framework
I'd
like
that
opportunity
to
do
that.
F
B
K
K
Of
things,
I'm
speaking
as
a
board
member
on
three
much
smaller
boards,
all
three
of
those
boards
have
air,
have
directors
insurance,
all
three
of
them
do
why?
Because
it
makes
sense,
because
people
who
volunteer
or
make
a
pittance
to
do
a
job
should
not
have
to
worry
about
legal
liabilities.
That's
what
insurance
is
for
as
a
realtor
I
have
an
umbrella
policy
that
covers
my
business.
K
Why
would
anybody
think
it's
okay
to
not
have
insurance?
What
about
the
parts
of
your
job
that
you
do
that
aren't
in
here
like
the
ribbon
cutting
the
parades?
When
you
go
to
Neighborhood
meetings,
those
things
should
be
covered
too,
because
they,
even
though
they're
not
officially
part
of
your
job,
they're
part
of
the
job
that
you
do
and
last
but
not
least,
let's
talk
about
councilman
dingfelder,
because
that's
where
all
this
stems
from
I
would
like
to
make
it
100
percent
clear.
K
K
So
when
you
have
frivolous
lawsuits
being
filed
and
people
have
to
give
up
their
personal
savings
to
deal
with
that
crap,
it's
ridiculous.
Why
and
what?
What
really
befuddles
me
is
that
I
am
the
person
who
makes
nothing
for
coming
here.
But
this
is
the
second
time
today
that
I
have
come
up
here
to
argue
with
all
of
you
to
do
something
for
the
seats
that
you
sit
in.
K
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
You
have
council
members
or
people
who
are
elected
to
get
on
these
boards.
Now,
who
are
more
vocal
now
who
are
making
sure
the
government
is
doing
the
right
things
and
not
go
along
get
along
people
anymore,
and
that's
what
the
citizens
want.
They
don't
go
along
get
along
people,
they
want
somebody
who
will
address
their
issues
or
concerns,
but
with
that
comes
to
price
at
times,
but
that
comes
a
price
that
you
may
be
attacked
politically.
J
J
And
I'm
going
to
do
that.
Trust
me
I'm,
going
to
do
that
loan
for
more.
For
me,
things
have
to
be
rectified
Shelby
with
me,
but
I'm.
Just
saying
hope.
Council
members
understand
the
reality
of
let's
not
look
at
the
political,
but
look
at
the
re
reality
of
what
this
time
in
Era
is
what
what
others
are
doing
to
to
get
their
point
across
and
and
intimidating
weeds
and
factors,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
you
know
whatever
this
Council
decides
to
do
that
it'll
be
beneficial
for
the
next
group
of
folks,
so
they
can
be
protected.
T
Miranda,
thank
you
chairman
and
reading
all
this
I.
It
strikes
me
on
various
levels
when
you're
growing
up
you
hear
people
talk
and
you
take
advice
or
don't
take
the
advice
of
the
elders.
You
certainly
don't
ask
somebody
three
or
four
years
old
for
advice
when
you're
16
or
17
whatever
it
is
so
I.
T
T
T
So
therefore
I
just
if,
in
my
case
something
happens,
the
City
attorney,
whoever
he
or
she
is
going
to
represent
me
at
the
least
cost
of
the
taxpayers
and
as
good
as
advice
that
you're
going
to
get
anywhere
else.
T
So
that's
just
me
I'm
not
saying
I'm,
right
or
wrong,
but
there's
an
attorney
here,
whoever
that
attorney
may
be
and
there's
a
legal
staff
here
to
do
the
research.
Also
so
that's
my
case
and
I.
Don't
you
can
vote
any
way?
You
want
that's
what
you
should
do,
but
I'm
not
going
to
go
with
anybody
paying
any
insurance
for
me
in
case
I.
Do
something
wrong
if
I
do
it
with
the
automobile?
Certainly
you
got
automobile
coverage.
T
B
B
C
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
make
a
second
motion
to
and
again
this
is
in
regard
to
file
number
cm22-73825
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
the
city
council
attorney
to
return
on
June
1st,
with
a
report
on
the
the
possibility
of
a
a
self,
a
small
self-insurance
fund
and
or
the
chief
of
staff's
idea
to
have
liability
umbrella
insurance
as
a
benefit.
Second
per
discussion.
F
May
I
ask
Mr
Carlson
if
you
include
the
the
risk
manager
in
that
discussion
as
well?
Did
you
want
that
the
risk
management
present
or
not
because
Council?
Let
me
just
share
with
you
in
drafting
this.
The
complexity
of
it
is
the
fact,
as
it
was
stated,
that
the
city
is
self-insured,
which
means
the
first
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
the
deductible
I.
C
Q
B
E
B
C
Just
thank
you
all
for
voting
on
those
two
okay,
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion
right
now,
but
Council
former
council
member
dingfelder
is
prohibited
by
what
I
read
in
the
media
is
prohibited
for
from
asking
for
reimbursement
of
funds
for
his
situation.
I
won't
relitigate
the
facts
here,
but
I
think
at
some
point,
city
council
should
voluntarily
offer
to
reimburse
him.
He
had
a
GoFundMe
account
which
paid
a
small
portion
of
it,
but
it
was
an
undue
burden,
input
on
he
and
his
family.
C
Second,
our
current
colleague,
who
will
be
leaving
soon
Orlando
goods
and
again
I,
won't
relitigate
those
situate
that
situation,
but
the
and
I
don't
know
how
much
he
spent.
C
But
a
judge
has
twice
thrown
out
the
court
case
against
him,
which
meets
the
test
of
the
of
the
state
being
allowing
us
to
reimburse
and
and
if
we
look
at
the
situation
as
we
talked
about
in
the
last
meeting,
the
City
attorney
and
the
mayor's
office
both
were
involved
in
in
publicizing
a
potential
litigation
which
which,
in
both
cases
which
which
potentially
led
to
or
was
the
cause
of
litigation
and
so
I.
Think,
though,
in
both
cases,
the
city
has
some
liability.
C
If
we
don't
proactively
reimburse
for
expenses,
so
I
would
ask,
since
I'm
not
allowed
to
ask
in
private
Forum
I
would
ask
if,
if
he
hasn't
already
for
council
member
Goods,
to
submit
whatever
costs
he
has
to
date
and
that
and
that
upon
the
Vice
City
attorney
that
that
I
or
someone
would
bring
this
up,
because
it's
it's
not
fair
for
city
council
members
to
be
sued
in
Oblivion,
without
support.
F
Council,
just
in
general,
because
this
came
up
today
and
moving
forward
and
we
could
have
this
discussion
down
the
road,
but
when
you
frame
your
emotions
generally
speaking,
just
do
it
in
the
mindset
that
you
want
to
see
what
it
is
going
to
appear
on
paper
because
on
the
agenda,
because
that
is
reflected
in
paper
and
it's
distributed.
It
goes
to
staff.
F
C
All
don't
mind,
let
me
just
try
to.
Let
me
just
try
to
make
a
motion.
I
would
ask
that
the
city
council
attorney
and
City
attorney
return
on
April
6th
to
discuss
April
I'm,
just
trying
to
do
it
before
April
20th
to
city
city,
council
attorney
and
City
attorney
to
return
on
April
20th
to
discuss
the
possibility
of
reimbursing
former
council
member
ding,
Felder
and
council
member
gootz
for
their
legal
fees.
Q
B
T
J
Carlson
again
you're
a
good
council
member
and
I
appreciate
you,
but
this
at
this
time
there's
a
lot
of
litigation
that
will
be
done
with
the
city
after
I
leave
a
lot
of
litigation
and
so
I
prefer
at
this
time.
You
know
I
appreciate
your
efforts,
but
we
have
good
attorneys
on
board.
We
got
a
few
more
at
the
hurdles
to
climb,
but,
and
we
got
some
other
Transit
will
bring
you
on
board
for
something
happened,
so
I
would
I
I.
J
Thank
you,
but
I
would
just
retract
your
motion.
We
have
good
attorneys
on
board
and
we're
going
to
we'll
deal
with
the
situation.
C
Could
I
just
amend
my
motion
to
remove
councilmember
goods
and
just
discuss
former
council
member
dingfelder
then.
C
C
Motion
just
withdraw
the
first
motion
and
New
Motion
would
be
to
ask
the
city,
council
attorney
and
City
attorney
to
return
on
April
20th
to
discuss
the
the
possibility
of
reimbursing
former
council
member
dingfelder
for
his
legal
fees.
B
B
P
I,
I
and
and
I
I
know
councilman
dingfelder
I
don't
want
to
vote
no
on
this,
but
I'm
I'll
just
say
it.
I'll,
be
honest
with
you
I'm
tired
of
what
I
have
to
call
the
city
council,
culture,
wars,
I,
I'm,
I'm.
We
we
continue
to
to
to
deal
with
issues
again
and
again
and
again
and
again
I'm
not
casting
blame
on
anybody.
It's
just
something.
I
am
personally
very,
very
tired
of
that's
all
I'm,
saying
I
I.
P
It
seems
that
we
continue
to
escalate
things
and
get
hotter
and
hotter
and
hotter
on
these
issues
and
and
and
again
with
with
two
minutes
on
something
that
with
somebody
that
I've
known
for
a
while
when
there
could
be
legal
issues
with
this,
you
know
what
could
this
be
brought
up?
Maybe
this
evening,
when
I
can
talk
to
Legal
about
it,
because
I
would
hate
to
prematurely
vote
one
way
or
another
I'd
have
deference
to
our
former
colleague.
C
F
I
with
all
due
respect
to
the
parties
involved,
that
is
a
an
unanticipated
motion
on
my
part
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it's
out
of
order,
it
can
certainly
be
voted
on,
but
I
believe
council,
member
Vieira
was
I
and
I
won't
ask
you
to
put
in
the
form
of
emotion
unless
it's
something
you
want:
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
certainly
want
to
put
counsel
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
effect
of
this.
This
is
unusual
to
be
discussed.
If.
F
O
P
11
o'clock,
May
I,
explain
my
vote:
Yes
I'm
going
to
vote.
Thank
you,
sir
I'm
going
to
vote
Yes
out
of
a
courtesy
to
councilman,
dingfelder
Etc
and
in
this
for
discussion.
But
again
my
my
objections
are
are
on
on
this,
but
but
I'll
out
of
the
courtesy
of.
C
I
will
and
I
should
say
for
the
record
police
that
council
member
dingfelder
and
no
not
nobody
on
his
behalf,
has
asked
me
to
do
this.
This
is
my
own
principle
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
pass
these
things
at
a
deterrent,
from
City
councils
being
members
being
attacked
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
B
We
still
have
the
same
motion
by
councilman
Carlson
seconded
by
councilman
Maniscalco.
Let's
have
roll
call
vote.
Please.
E
F
B
This
time,
in
accordance
with
Florida
statute,
eight
excuse
me
286.0118.
We
will
proceed
to
a
close
attorney
client
session
to
discuss
settlement
negotiations
in
the
case
of
Robert
vasso
and
the
City
of
Tampa
case
number
817
CV
zero,
two
eight
nine
six,
which
is
currently
pending
in
the
Middle
District
of
Florida.
B
This
closed
session
is
estimated
to
last
approximately
45
minutes
and
will
be
recorded
by
a
certified
court
reporter
the
names
of
the
persons
attending
the
closed
session
are
as
followed:
council,
member
citro,
council
member
Bill,
Carlson
council
member
Orlando,
Goods
council
member
Lynn,
hertak
council
member
Guido,
Maniscalco
council
member
Charlie,
Miranda
council
member
Louis,
Vieira
city
council
attorney,
Martin
Shelby,
City
attorney
Andrea,
Zellman
assistant,
City
attorney,
David
Harvey
and
certified
court
reporter
Debbie
guest
from
reporters
on
Madison.
At
the
conclusion
of
the
closed
attorney-client
session.