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D
Council
hi
good
afternoon,
Martin
Shelby
city
council
attorney.
We
talked
this
morning
and
I
had
read
you
section,
2-282
sub
I
from
the
Tampa
city
code,
regarding
what
we
call
colloquially
as
the
cone
of
silence
once
a
an
RFP
or
an
rfqn
like
is
broadcast
and
it's
sent
out
and
released,
then
that
provision
applies
and
basically
what
happens
is
that
continues
and
there
were
representations
made
and
for
clarification.
Is
it
that
cone
of
silence
in
this
instance
here
does
not
end
on
May
1st?
D
D
And
ultimately,
what
happens
is
the
department
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
purchasing
department
and
when
that
recommendation
is
then
published
on
their
website,
whatever
date
and,
however
long
that
takes
that's
when
the
cone
of
silence
goes
away,
so
it
does
not
end
on
May
1st,
it's
still
in
effect,
and
it
continues
until
such
time
as
a
recommendation
from
the
Department
goes
to
the
purchasing
department
and
I
just
learned
that
this
morning,
clearly
from
the
purchasing
department,
I
spoke
with
Greg
Spearman,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
clarified.
We
clarify
that
that
process
councilor.
F
D
E
Correct
the
RP
that
the
the
the
new
originally
made
your
motion
about
the
about
the
new
about
the
RFP
scope.
The
original
RFP
that
was
issued
was
revoked
or
rescinded
by
the
administration,
and
there
was
a
meeting
with
the
tow
truck
providers
and
a
new
RP
was
then
issued
it's
much
more
narrow
in
scope.
It
applies
only
to
police
vehicles
that
had
to
be
impounded
for
police
crime
type
of
things,
the
rest
of
it.
The
rotation
remains
which
is
like
95.
E
G
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
for
Council
to
be
notified
within
48
Hours
of
that
decision
being
made,
so
that
then
we
can
then
set
this
meeting
for
that
time.
When
we
can
start
talking
about
this
again,.
B
I
I
just
I
kind
of
said
this
this
morning,
but
with
the
way,
if
you
look,
if
we
look
back
at
the
relationship
between
Council
and
the
mayor's
office
a
couple
years
ago
is
easy
to
think
about
this,
as
as
trying
to
preempt
or
research
City
councils
Authority
on
on
this-
and
you
could
say
the
same
thing
about
the
tree
announcement
yesterday
in
advance
of
our
meeting
today
and
a
lot
of
other
things,
but
I
I
hope
that
the
administration
will
work
with
us
going
forward
and
invite
Council
to
press
conferences
and
and
include,
make
it
more
participatory
going
forward
and
something
like
this
supposedly
we
got
calls
I,
don't
know
that
I
got
a
call,
but
it
a
call
or
a
quick
email.
I
J
I've
known
chair
afternoon,
Council
Vic
bday
director
mobility
department
here
at
the
address
item
number
three
motion
made
by
chair
citro
seconded
by
councilwoman,
hurt
that
relative
to
drainage
ditches
across
the
city
that
have
been
filled
in
illegally
and
without
permits,
and
what
can
be
done
to
correct
this
issue.
J
So
a
quick
background
to
that
effect.
A
memo
was
not
issued
because
I
wanted
to
address
this
through
Council
directly,
because
it
is
a
tricky
situation
as
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar.
J
This
is
a
decades-old
challenge,
specifically
or
primarily
in
older,
planted,
neighborhoods
and
and
a
big
part
of
this
issue
is
over
time
and
it's
twofold
over
time
when
neighborhoods
were
planted
in
South,
Tampa
or
west
Campa,
typically
in
the
60s
or
before
they
did
have
some
Drainage
Systems,
typically
swales
or
ditches,
and
things
like
that
over
the
decades
as
people
change,
hands
and
properties
change,
hands
from
one
property
owner
to
another,
some
of
these
or
swales
were
filled
in
illegally,
as
as
alluded
in
the
motion
itself.
J
This
was
partly
due
to
encroachment
the
best
that
I
could
surmise,
based
on
the
information
that
we
have.
This
was
also
partly
due
to
less
regular
maintenance
in
terms
of
resources
that
the
city
may
have
contributed
to
storm
water
maintenance
in
the
past
and
because
of
these
two
challenges,
lines
became
blurred.
New
Property
Owners
may
have
encroached
on
ditches,
and
the
only
way
for
us
to
tell
at
this
time
is
again
twofold.
J
One
is
when
our
teams
go
out
into
the
field
to
respond
to
concerns
or
do
maintenance
or
when
a
property
owner.
Typically,
a
new
property
owner
calls
with
a
challenge
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
We
go
out
there
and
we
find
out
what
what
the
issue
is
now
I
have
to
mention
that,
since
2016,
when
the
service
assessment,
the
storm
water
service
assessment
was
passed
since
then
we
have
been
able
to
dedicate
adequate
resources,
the
maintenance
of
the
existing
stormwater
system,
and
what
this
means
is
on
a
regular
basis.
J
J
This
is
a
more
of
a
historical
challenge,
but
it
has
accumulated
over
decades
and
there
are
two
ways
we
find
out
about
it
when
a
customer
complains
or
when
a
Community
member
complains
typically
a
new
homeowner
that
has
water
collecting
in
areas
where
they
feel
like
it
shouldn't
or
if
we
have
a
project,
a
capital
project
or
maintenance,
and
someone
finds
you
know
a
head
wall
or
the
remnants
of
a
ditch
or
something
like
that,
in
which
case
stormwater
engineering
is
in
form,
they
add
that
information
to
our
GIS
layer
and
they
either
work.
J
If
it's
a
complaint
with
the
property
owner
on
small
projects,
we
call
them
a
list
of
hundred
projects
and
it's
a
rolling
list,
and
these
are
the
type
of
projects
that
we
address
as
part
of
it
or
our
operations.
Folks
go
out
there
and
do
what
they
can
with
the
situation
going
forward
and
what
can
be
done
about
this?
J
J
As
part
of
that,
we
will
identify
gaps
where
major
projects
are
needed,
which
will
mitigate
major
issues
relative
to
storm
water
and
drainage,
and
that
will
of
course,
translate
into
cips
from
there
on,
but
the
other
also
is
continuing
to
work
on
the
case-by-case
basis,
as
concerns
from
the
community
come
up,
but
beyond
maintaining
the
system
that
we
have
and
adequately
resourcing
that
and
continuing
to
work
with
community
members
anytime.
We
find
this
information,
we
log
it
and
we
we
create
a
data
point
for
another
small
project
going
forward.
J
Councilwoman
heard
that
mentioned
education
for
property
owners.
So
that
is
something
we
will
look
at
as
well.
We
do
through
our
stormwater
engineering
and
operations,
divisions,
do
education
about
yard,
waste,
clippings
before
storms
and
so
on.
We
will
add
this
to
our
list
as
well,
and
we're
open
to
creative
ideas.
I
mean
one
of
our
team
members
mentioned.
J
Maybe
we
should
reach
out
to
real
estate
agents,
so
they
know
that
you
know
when,
when
properties
change,
hands
and
all
so
we're
open
to
ideas,
we'll
try
different
things
and
we
will
commit
to
doing
more
education
on
this
and
then
finally,
I
will
close
by
kind
of
highlighting
the
need
the
resource
these
things.
So
we
have
a
service
assessment,
I
hope,
counsel
and
future
councils
continue
to
support
this.
J
We
will
continue
to
have
needs
for
additional
stormwater
infrastructure
as
well
hard
infrastructure,
as
well
as
environmental
projects
in
our
River
and
posts
and
all,
but
these
just
like
the
tree
issue
require
resources
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
Council
on
the
scene.
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
K
Thank
you
for
that
report
and
and
for
mentioning
the
2016
stormwater.
K
The
service
assessment
that
was
put
in
place
to
combat
the
drainage
ditches
come
back
to
to
help,
maintain
and
clear
out
those
drainage,
ditches
and
other
Avenues
on
a
on
a
higher
frequency
because
they
were
neglected
for
years
and
because
of
that
service
assessment,
we've
seen
many
parts
of
the
city
that
are
not
so
prone
to
flooding.
Because,
again,
you
know
these
ditches
aren't
aren't
being
neglected,
however,
in
in
this
case
about
people
illegally
filling
them
in
without
permits.
K
You
know
here
we
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
we
have
to
fight
this
other
battle.
You
know
with
folks
closing
them
up
so
you've
really
no
questions
just
a
few
comments,
but
you've
answered
everything
and
I
appreciate
it
and
I
look
forward
to
you,
know
working
together
and-
and
you
know
moving
forward.
So
thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
I
I
Echo,
that
thanks.
This
was
a
great.
It
was
actually
the
perfect
day
to
go,
along
with
the
trees,
to
talk
about
all
the
ways
we're
trying
to
help
mitigate
the
water
situation
in
this
city,
so
I.
So
from
my
understanding,
you
all
do
not
have
like
a
master
list
of
where
these
swales
are
already
or
you
do.
J
We
don't
have
a
master
list.
What
we
know
is
all
documented
in
our
GIS
and
umap,
so
both
infrastructure
as
well
as
swales.
Now,
if
we
look
at
all
the
plaques
in
historical
plats
on
the
case-by-case
basis,
sometimes
they
do
show
that
there
were
swales
or
ditches,
and
if
you
go
out
there
like,
for
example,
south
of
Gandhi
around
the
Oklahoma
area,
those
were
two
plaques
and
they're
only
two
streets
that
even
resemble
the
original
intent
for
the
storm
water
system
in
the
area.
G
G
Think
that's
I
think
that's
wonderful,
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
we
continue
to
to
keep
this
on
the
agenda
and
keep
us
talking
about
it.
G
G
So
when
I
yeah
we
have
I'm
bringing
back
a
motion
about
a
tree
map.
So
maybe
maybe
during
that
I'll
come
up
with
something
with
a
with
a
motion
to
maybe
bring
this
back
and
discuss
it
a
bit
more
later
on.
F
You
chairman-
and
this
sounds
easy,
but
it's
not
I
I
take
an
average
of
12
months.
That's
what
we
have
in
a
year
and
I
say
we
do
12
hearings
a
night
on
the
average
times
12
times.
12
is
144,
but
we
really
don't
have
that
many,
because
there's
one
of
two
that
we
miss
somewhere
along
the
line-
let's
say
144,
that's
a
lot
and
you
multiply
that
by
10
years
now,
you're
up
to
what
okay
fourteen
thousand.
F
If
there's
I
don't
know
if
they're
all
on
computers,
I,
don't
know
how
they
are
and
just
they're
going
to
have
to
go
in
case
by
case
and
look
at
the
the
things
that
the
council,
this
Council
and
other
council
did
in
the
past
to
find
out
where
we're
at
today
and
and
and
that
way
you
can,
when
you
identify
them,
you
can
click
them
on
and
every
time
you
put
that
type
of
zoning
in
it.
It
separates
them
from
the
rest,
and
you
can
certainly
find
that
going
forward
to
do
it.
F
You're
going
to
take
some
time,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
overnight,
you're
going
to
take
months
somebody
to
do
it
an
hour
two
hours
a
day
to
find
out
where
we're
at
and
and
as
we
go
forward
with
these,
these
special
ones
at
the
night
of
the
hearing,
then
after
being
a
different
category,
so
you
can
put
them
in
until
you
can
find
them
later
on.
You
just
can't
say
what
we're
going
to
do
and
not
not
red
tag
them
in
one
fashion
or
another.
F
J
And
you're
absolutely
right
if
I
could
just
respond
to
that
that
the
the
manual
inventory
may
not
yield
as
much
benefit
as
we
may
want.
Our
best
efforts
are
going
to
be
looking
forward
planning
for
the
next
storm
water
system
and
which
is
why
we're
developing
the
watershed
management
plan,
which
usually
takes
care
of
them
of
a
majority
of
the
concerns
from
this
sort
of
accumulation
and
then
continuing
to
work
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
as
I
mentioned.
As
these
concerns
come
up,
yeah.
F
I
agree
going
on
I'm
also
saying
that
even
now,
people
that
want
to
put
pavers
down
there's
they
get
a
permit,
but
I,
don't
think
they're
told
you
can
only
go
so
far
with
that.
You
can
run
it
and
it's
got
to
be
explained
to
them,
because
some
of
them
I
see
them
running
all
the
way
to
the
street.
F
So
there's
no
sidewalk
they're
just
pavers,
and
then
you
gotta
cut
it
so
I
I
think
at
time
of
of
the
person
coming
in
getting
applying
for
a
permit,
it's
a
time
that
somebody
has
got
to
tell
them
what
they
can
and
cannot
do
and
let
them
sign
off
that
they've
read
and
okay
with
it.
That's
just
my
suggestion.
H
H
That
lady
was
very
impressed
with
that,
because
she
thought
somebody
really
cared
and
we're
glad
we
were
able
to
help
her
on
that
project
a
little
bit
but
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
always
being
upfront
and
honest,
and
you
know
you
have
a
job
to
do,
but
you
always
went
straight
shooting
for
me.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that.
J
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Speed
I.
Did
this
the
reason
why
I
asked
this?
There
was
a
woman
in
West
Tampa
who,
when
we
back
when
we
had
the
heavy
rains
a
year
ago,
her
property
was
getting
flooded
because
some
people
along
her
Street
filled
in
the
drainage,
ditch
whether
it
had
been
two
or
three
prior
owners
and
I
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
that
there's
cause
and
effect
by
everything
that
gets
done.
Someone
fills
in
a
ditch
without
the
permits
their
neighbor
gets
flooded.
B
The
liability
is
going
to
fall
somewhere
and
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
can
be
done
by
the
city.
We
just
can't
go
in
with
a
backhoe
and
dig
up
those
ditches
again,
but
they're
still
flooding.
That's
going
to
happen
because
those
ditches
are
filled
in
so
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that
citizens
that
are
getting
flooded
out
whenever
we
get
heavy
rains
because
of
these
illegal
ditch
a
filament
of
the
ditches
that
we
can
do
something.
So
please
report
back
to
council
as
quick
as
you
can
again.
L
Good
afternoon
Council
assistant,
City
attorney
McLean
Evans.
Of
course
it's
your
discretion.
A
couple
of
you
mentioned
you'd
like
to
make
update
motions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you.
Mr
bday
does
appear
quarterly
with
storm
water
updates.
So
perhaps,
for
the
sake
of
your
efficiency,
you
might
want
to
tag
the
update
onto
his
next
scheduled
update.
B
G
Power,
not
anything
major,
just
how
we're
doing
any
issues,
problems,
maybe
new
suggestions,
your
staff
has
for
different
ways.
I
think
that's.
That
is
the
perfect
time
where
we're
all
talking
about
storm
water.
So
thank
you.
B
Should
be
there
if
I
might
add,
when
you
do
that
report
if
there
are
concerns
by
neighbors
who
their
property
is
affected
by
these
ditches
that
have
been
filled
in
illegally
some
sort
of
Remedy
that
might
help
stop
the
flooding
or
or
not
make
it
as
as
bad
as
what
it
is
because
of
these
dishes
being
filled
in
illegally.
Please,
and
thank
you
any
other
comments
or
questions.
B
H
Think
I'm,
the
gist
of
this
motion
and
discussion
was
a
lot
of
times,
especially
in
some
of
our
underdriving
communities.
We
have
a
lot
of
Code
Enforcement
liens
on
their
properties
and
there
are
liens
but
a
lot
of
times.
They
can't
apply
for
some
of
the
City
Rehab
funding
or
any
type
of
programming
because
of
the
liens.
So
I'm
wondering
how?
H
How
can
we
or
what
can
we
do
to
get
those
properties
back
into
circulation,
to
be
able
to
get
those
liens
or
remove
those
liens
or
get
the
homeowner
or
if
they've
disappeared,
find
a
way
to
be
able
to
get
that
property?
Do
whatever
to
put
those
homes
back
into
circulation,
to
get
rid
of
the
Slumber
and
play
the.
E
Primary
focus
of
our
code
enforcement
program
is
to
correct
the
co-violations
and
not
really
punish
the
property
owner.
They
do.
The
liens
do
have
a
daily
fine.
That
does
add
up
and
it
does
become
a
a
cloud
on
their
title.
But
if
they're
willing
to
remedy
The
Code
Enforcement
issue,
then
the
city
has
fairly
broad
authority
to
release
the
penalty
portion.
So
that's
that's
one
way
that
we
have
tried
to
remedy
this
issue,
so
we
try
to
try.
We
try
to
release
the
liens
virtually
at
very
little
cost.
E
We
don't
try
to
add
an
additional
amount
on
top
of
actually
taking
action
to
remedy
the
violation
there
are.
We
do
have
a
number
as
you're
aware
the
CRA
has
a
number
of
programs.
Where
we're
we
really
don't
talk
about
liens.
The
the
roofing
emergency
Grant
is
one
of
those
things
technically.
That
would
be
a
code
violation
not
having
a
proper
roof
on
your
your
house,
and
we
are
we're
putting
the
roofs
on
people's
houses
without
asking
for
a
release
of
that
lien,
but
we're
or
deal
with
code
enforcement
issues.
E
E
So
some
some
programs
are
set
up
where
you
can't,
and
so
it's
programmed
by
program-
and
we
can
certainly
go
back
and
look
at
our
programs
and
and
look
at
that
item,
but
the
gist
of
the
code
enforcement
system
as
I'm
aware
and
we
and
we
can
look
at
how
we,
how
we
release
liens,
but
especially
for
homeowners,
it's
not
to
to
penalize
them,
is
to
incentivize
them
to
remedy
the
situation.
And
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
release
the
lien
at
little
or
or
very
little
or
a
very
reduced
amount.
Dollar
Wise
penalty,
wise!
E
Help
understood,
and
obviously,
if,
if
it's
part
of
a
city
project,
if
the
city's
involved
in
trying
to
I
don't
know
purchase
property,
we
can
go
in
and
address
the
lean
issues
ourselves.
We
did
that
with
the
the
the
the
grocery
store
that
we
purchased
there
to
expand
the
East
Tampa
Regional
Park
complex,
that's
going
in
that
had
a
slew
of
liens
on
it
and
we
went
ahead
and
just
took
title
took
down
the
building.
E
The
lean
issues
are
resolved,
so
that
I
mean
if
it's
involved
in
a
city
Redevelopment
projects
such
as
that
we
will
go
in
and
just
take
care
of
it
ourselves
as
well,
so
that
that
that's
that's
that's
another
way
of
dealing
with
it,
but
there
but
and
again
I
Kamari
Pettis
Mackle
is
the
attorney
that
sits
with
the
code
enforcement
board
and
I
thought.
I
had
the
most
recent
administrative
guidelines
for
releasing
liens,
but
again
it's
tied
on
timeliness.
E
If
you
let
it
go
forever
and
ever
the
the
amount
maximum
amount
that
staff
is
authorized
to,
release
gets
a
little
higher
but
the
but
the
the
bottom
line.
Is
they
want
the
the
code
issue
remedied?
The
penalty
portion
is
really
not
something
the
city
is
really
concerned
about.
We
just
want
the
code
violation
remedy
and
so
that
and
that.
H
The
reason
I
said,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
times,
people
can't
pay
the
lien,
but
they
can't
properly
fixed
either.
So
if
we
have
programs,
that's
why
I
was
thinking
that.
Well,
if
we
control
the
lien
and
they
can
get
in
our
program,
we
and
we
can
add
that
to
their
more
whatever
you
do.
But
at
least
we
can
put
that
back
into
circulation
and.
E
We
can
also
look
through
the
you
know
through
our
Redevelopment
this
here
at
sitting
you
all
sitting
as
a
CRA.
We
could
potentially
look
at
revamping
some
of
our
programs
and
criteria
so
that
that
that
part
of
the
CRA
grant
money
could
be
used
for
that
Express
purpose.
I'm,
not
saying
we
can't
do
that.
We
could
potentially
do
that
thanks.
G
Thank
you
for
the
discussion
and
thank
you
for
talking
about
what
we
can
do
and
I
understand
that
the
city's
goal
is
to
bring
people
into
compliance
but
I.
What
I'm,
also
hearing
from
council
member
Goods
is
what
happens
when
they
don't
get
into
compliance
and
we
have
these
empty
properties.
These
aren't
we're
not
talking
about
people
who
are
living
in
these
houses.
He's
talking
about
these
properties
that
are
empty,
that
are
that
are
causing
a
blight
on
the
community
as
places
where
people
congregate,
where
they're
not.
E
Supposed
to
we
can
identify
those,
and
if
we
have
code
enforcement
liens
that
are
valid,
we
can
foreclose
those
and
we
have,
and
so
we
can,
especially
if
we've
expended
hard
cost
liens
and
they're,
not
Homestead
and
they're
not
occupied.
Those
are
those
are
properties
that
we
would
look
to
potentially
foreclose
and
acquire
for
potential
Redevelopment
efforts
by
the
city
or
by
this
area.
E
E
G
I
would
like
to
do
that
just
because
it
you
know.
History
shows
that
when
you
have
a
property,
that's
blighted
like
that
that
that
all
the
neighbors
it's
an
it's.
It's
a
problem
property.
If
we
could
come
in
and
take
it
if,
if
it
needs
to
go
through
the
foreclosure
process,
because
the
owner
will
not
take
care
of
it
and
it's
fixed
up
and
then
able
to
be
sold
it,
it
will
change
a
community
I.
E
L
E
G
G
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
go
forward.
So
thank
you.
B
I
I
would
support
that
idea
too,
a
little
bit
different
question.
If.
I
E
The
staff
has
the
authority
to
weigh
them
down
to
a
certain
degree
depending
on
the
type
of
property.
If
it's
Homestead
or
not,
then,
if
it's
Homestead,
we
have
the
ability
to
waive
the
penalty
down
to
almost
nothing
under
an
executive
order
that
the
mayor
issued.
If
it's
not
Homestead,
then
the
ability
to
waive
the
the
the
the
fines
we
can
wave
it,
but
it's
not
as
much
as
we
would
would
for
someone's
Homestead
Property.
E
A
mayor
can
wait,
there's
no
there's
no
limit
and
different
jurisdictions
have
different,
have
come
up
with
different
programs.
There.
Some
jurisdictions
have
lean
yeah
lean
waiver
holidays
that,
if
you
bring
it
into
compliance,
all
leaves
are
forgiven
and
they'll.
Do
it
for
a
one
month
period,
so
different
different
jurisdictions
have
come
up
with
different
strategies,
not
all
of
them.
All
of
them
are
aimed
at
trying
to
bring
property
into
compliance,
and
our
executor
also
allows
if
it's
part
of
a
rehab
effort
of
some
kind.
We
have
the
ability
to
waive
it
all
all
fine.
I
E
Idea,
I,
don't
know
to
be
quite
honest
with
you.
It
often
comes
up,
obviously,
when
someone's
trying
to
sell
their
property
or
refinance
their
property,
because
then
the
lender
will
come
in
and
say:
I
won't
make
the
loan
until
you
deal
with
the
code
enforcement
lien
issue,
and
so
that's
when
that
when
that
typically
comes
up
when
somebody
comes
to
the
city
and
says
we're
ready
to
deal
with
the
issue,
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
bring
this
into
compliance.
I
Yeah
here
just
a
a
couple
concerns
I've
heard
in
the
community
and
not
not
so
much
this
Administration,
but
before
there
was
a
property
and
I,
don't
want
to
say
which
property
or
anything,
but
there
was
a
property
in
South
Tampa
that
was
high
profile.
I
Six
or
so
years
ago,
we're
allegedly
the
last
mayor,
waved
like
almost
a
million
dollars
in
fees
and
but
there's
a
at
least
one
property
owner
in
east
Tampa.
That
has
a
high
amount
that
was
not
waived
and
so
I
want
to
the
the
allegation
better
than
I
have
not
had
any
allegations
against
this
Administration
for
this.
But
the
allegation
was
that
it
was
arbitrary
or
political.
If
you're
a
friend,
then
you
get
it
weighed
if
you're
not
and
I.
E
I
Yeah
that'd
be
great
because
just
so
we
can
answer
questions,
because
sometimes
people
have
lingering
memories
from
a
long
time
ago
and
if
it
I
I
assume
because
I
haven't
had
any
complaints.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
in
the
last
couple
years,
but
that
it
that
it's
been
done
equitably,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
in
the
future
that
it's
not
that
that
it's
not
done
in
a
arbitrary
way,
because
they're
they're
people
that
would
like
to
still
have
control
of
the
house.
They'd
love
to
have
it
weighed.
But
they
can't.
G
E
You
could
make
that
maybe
in
your
either
your
meeting
or
Workshop
in
July,
just
to
give
us
time
to
make
sure
we
have,
because
we'll
have
to
research
the
list
and
update
the
list
and
look
at
it
so
and
sometimes
what
we
found
when
we
originally
did
the
list.
We
originally
thought
we
had
a
lot.
A
lot
of
the
properties
have
been
conveyed
actually
to
not-for-profits
for
Rehab
purposes
and
for
some
reason
there
was
not
proper
documentation
showing
the
liens
had
been
released.
Okay,
so
okay.
B
M
Good
afternoon
Council,
this
is
this
is
a
continuance
request.
However,
I
do
have
a
memo
with
a
status
update
that
I
wanted
to
provide
with
some
backup.
M
This
is
in
response
to
motion
on
November
17th
city
council
staff
to
conduct
additional
public
engagement
regarding
accessory
dwelling
units,
specifically
south
of
Kennedy.
In
the
South
Tampa
areas,
we
held
two
public
meetings.
One
was
on
February
7th,
the
other
in
in
on
Davis
Islands.
That
was
virtual.
The
second
was
in
Hyde
Park
at
Kate,
Jackson
Center
on
February
27th,
and
thank
you
to
councilman
Carlson
for
for
attending
the
Hyde
Park
meeting.
M
Both
meetings
had
about
40
participants,
and
we
presented
an
overview
of
the
current
code
related
to
accessory
dwelling
units,
the
current
code
related
to
extended
family
residences,
as
well
as
the
criteria
for
just
generally
any
accessory
structure
in
in
the
city,
and
then
we
discussed
some
potential
options
for
criteria
that
could
be
used
moving
forward.
If
we
were
to
change
the
the
geographic
areas
with
the
modification
to
the
ordinance.
The
questions
that
were
asked
from
the
Hyde
Park
group
were
provided.
M
These
were
prepared
by
by
Mary
Lou
Bailey
I
want
to
thank
her
if
she's,
online
or
watching
very
thorough
and
very
helpful
what
staff
is
going
to
be
doing
moving
forward
and
I've
summarized
it
condensed
it
even
further
into
a
set
of
bullets
in
the
memo
just
to
explain
generally
what
we
heard.
There
are
a
lot
of
questions,
a
lot
of
concerns.
M
A
lot
of
them
relate
to
just
wanting
to
understand
better
what
the
code
requires
and
what
it
doesn't
require,
what
the
definitions
are
and
just
the
process
so
we're
in
the
process
of
preparing
information,
Outreach
and
Outreach
materials,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
we
could
then
go
out
and
just
communicate
and
make
sure
people
know
what
is
allowed
and
what
is
not
allowed.
What
is
an
Adu?
M
What
is
not
an
Adu
that
even
just
that
discussion
alone
took
like
30
minutes
I'm
going
into
some
of
the
details,
so
we're
going
to
be
preparing
that
information
and
then
we'll
be
coming
back
in
September
with
the
results
of
the
housing
needs
evaluation,
which
is
going
to
give
us
more
specific
numbers
in
terms
of
what
the
need
is
for
a
housing
type
that
is
small
and
that
is
more
affordable.
You
know
more,
that's
something
that
an
Adu
could
actually
address.
M
M
So
once
we
have
that
data,
once
we
have
some
of
the
educational
material
developed,
we're
going
to
come
back
in
September
and
then
provide
a
broader
update
with
with
actual
recommendations,
so
we're
not
bringing
forward
recommendations
today,
we're
taking
the
input
that
we
received
and
we're
going
to
modify
what
we
showed
you
last
year
and
then
come
back
with
a
new,
a
new
recommendation.
Councilman.
B
D
I
You
so
I've
attended
a
lot
of
public
meetings.
I
have
attended
a
lot
of
really
difficult
and
challenging
public
meetings.
This
is
I
walked
in
about
halfway
through
or
something
this
one,
and
it
was
a
really
difficult
public
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
standing
up
there
and
and
talking
to
everybody,
but
so
we
would
not
propose
including
South
Tampa
until
after
September,
then
right.
We.
M
We
we
have,
we
have
paused
everything
we've
also.
This
motion
was
just
for
south
Tampa
we've
also,
and
we've
also
gone,
and
had
some
discussions
at
the
request
of
councilman
goose
with
East
Tampa,
and
so
we're
trying
to
bring
all
of
this
together,
because
what
we
don't
want
is
to
have
different
rules
in
different
areas
that
that
was
sort
of
the
subtext
of
what
you
all
told
us
last
time.
So
so
we
did,
we
did
pause
everything.
So
when
we
come
back
in
September,
we'll
be
able
to
revisit
everything
holistically.
I
So
a
couple
things
one
I
would
I
would
recommend
that
we
take
as
long
as
we
need
to
get
this
done
if
it
takes
another
year.
Let's
do
that
because
we
need
to
get
deep
into
the
neighborhoods
and
Community
people
are
very,
very,
very
worried
and
upset
about
this,
and
it
we
need
to
be
careful,
but
also
I
was
just
in
with
my
other
hat
on.
I
I
was
in
I,
participate
in
the
Tampa
chamber,
benchmarking
trips,
and
also
the
Saint
Pete
chamber,
benchmarking,
trips
and
sometimes
others,
but
I
was
in
Austin
the
last
three
days
with
St
Pete
chamber.
We
had
mayor
Welch
and
three
of
the
city
council
members
and
we
met
with
lots
of
different
people
on
different
policy
issues,
but
one
of
them
was
housing
and
we
had
several
different
panels
on
it
at
number
one.
The
housing
people
said
we
thought
Adu
was
going
to
be
a
big
solution.
I
It
wasn't
at
all,
it
was
a
bust,
and
so
this
is
not
we
spent.
We
spent
way
way
way
too
much
time
on
this,
for
what
it's
going
to
do,
and
at
least
based
on
their
experience
and
what
they
said
was
that
people
didn't
build
them
because
the
of
the
land,
the
land
and
construction
costs,
and
so
it
wasn't
it
it
wasn't
the
solution,
they
thought
it
was
going
to
be
plus
all
the
restrictions
that
we're
talking
about
putting
on.
I
So
we
need
you,
you
may
have
other
examples
of
other
cities
where
it's
worked,
but
just
because
some
members
of
the
community
are
pushing
for
it
doesn't
mean
we
should
spend
a
lot
of
our
time
on
this.
Second,
and
this
is
this
is
the
most
important
thing
they're
having
all
the
same
discussions
we're
having,
but
the
one
thing
they
said
was
that
they
wished
10
years
ago
that
that
they
had
taken
the
number
of
houses
they
thought
they
needed
to
multiply
it
times,
10.
I
they
that
their
biggest
threat
right
now,
companies
aren't
the
big
tech
companies
aren't
moving
to
Austin,
because
affordability
has
become
their
number
one
issue
and
and
they're
they're,
where
we
they.
We
are
where
they
were
10
years
ago
and
we're
desperately
trying
to
catch
up,
but
they
said
we
had
no
idea.
I
We
were
having
the
right
discussions,
but
we
had
no
idea
the
volume
that
we
were
going
to
need
and
it
they
said
we
were
on
the
verge
of
becoming
a
big
city,
and
now
we
wish
we
had
gone
backwards
and,
and
the
number
one
thing
was
land
which
we've
all
been
talking
about.
How
do
we
assemble
land?
I
How
do
we
do
that
and
we
need
we
need
to
protect
the
neighborhoods
that
want
to
be
protected,
but
the
areas
that
we
can
build
in
we've
I
think
we've
got
to
accelerate
we've
gotta
we've
got
to
shoot
way
higher
than
we
are
right
now:
affordable,
housing
and
and
housing
units
in
general,
and
it
it's
going
to
be
a
tough
conversation,
but
it'll
decimate
our
economy.
If
we
don't
start
planning
ahead
right
now-
and
these
are
from
people
inside
the
city,
Chamber
and
other
groups
that
are
that
are
working
on
Business
Development
there
customer.
H
Thank
you
for
that.
Stephen
I
mean
you
know.
You
know
there
are
some
that
are
Ford
on
the
East
and
some
that
are
not
because
you
know
when
you
we're
already
at
Transit
area
in
some
of
our
areas,
and
they
don't
want
more
slum
in
flight.
They
bring
that
on,
and
people
not
being
accountable
for
those
adus
which
I
can't
blame
them.
Then
again
we
have
a
housing
crisis.
You
know,
sadly,
one
of
the
young,
ladies,
that
one
of
my
basketball
players.
H
She
came
in
and
spoke
on,
my
behalf
before
she
just
has
a
school
over
off
of
ML
King,
but
she's
found
in
other
buildings
to
expand
her
school
and
as
she
went
to
the
new
building
and
she
put
it
on
Facebook.
She
she
saw
two
two
young
men,
small
kids,
out
playing
basketball
in
front
of
the
new
building.
You
know
she
wait
where
you
guys,
because
she
thinks
she
might
get
these
two
kids
being
polished,
School
and
come
to
find
out.
H
H
The
mother
had
all
the
kids
clothes
so
neatly
in
the
tent
Mr
Miranda
had
food
set
up
for
the
kids
and
she
said
she
was
afraid
that
that
the
mother
was
going
to
run
off
and
she
didn't
know
what
she
said
she
started
crying
because
she
couldn't
believe
that
somebody
building
she
just
bought
that
these
two
kids
or
the
mom
who's
got
no
place
to
go
but
found
a
way
to
build
the
tent
behind
the
building.
H
But
yet
we
we
Harbor
about
an
economy.
The
economy
is
good,
you
say
recession.
All
you
want
or
recession.
That
means
that
people
lose
people
are
spending
money,
they
got
money,
but
people
don't
have
compassion
because
we're
a
capitalist
society
and
it's
all
about
the
dollar
and
you
got
to
have
compassion
for
people,
because
everybody
don't
make
the
kind
of
dolls
that
everyone
else
makes
for
one
just
doesn't,
and
when
you
see
small
kids,
you
wonder
how
they
become
development
challenge.
H
You
wonder
why
they
have
behavioral
problems,
see
if
you
never
lived
it,
that's
what
people
say
if
you've
never
lived
in
and
seen
it,
you
don't
understand
it,
but
to
a
mother
I,
don't
care
if
she's,
rich
or
not,
but
to
a
mother,
go
see
two
small
kids
sleeping
in
a
tent
that
will
get
to
anybody
we'll
get
to
anybody
and
people
talk
about.
You
know
the
city
shouldn't
get
into
housing,
business
or
shouldn't
be
in
the
housing
market.
H
I
have
to
disagree
because
government
has
to
play
a
part
sometime
when
people
are
doing
bad
and
right
now,
people
are
doing
real
bad
I
got
two
buddies
of
mine.
Just
found
him
a
place
got
another
boy's
gonna
help
them
out,
because
what
they
make
down
in
Ybor
City
trying
to
work,
they
don't
make
enough
to
pay
the
rent,
but
both
said
to
get
another
person
to
come
in
and
pay
the
rent
2400
bucks.
H
That's
not
normal
I,
don't
care
what
nobody
say:
that's
not
normal,
but
yet
I've
got
Condominiums
all
these
type
of
places
in
the
downtown
all
over
the
place
that
the
rent
is
so
high,
but
no
one's
living
in
them,
though,
but
no
one's
living
in
them.
That's
a
problem
man!
It's
just
to
me
that
something's
wrong
with
Society
I,
get
we're
about
making
money.
I
want
to
make
money,
I,
love,
I
would
love
to
be
rich,
would
love
to
have
all
kind
of
dreams.
You
know
when
I
sit
back,
sometimes
I,
listen
at
the
story.
H
H
I'm
hoping
this
year's
budget
that
I
had
asked
to
make
sure
that
the
budget
now
includes
a
piece
of
the
pie
for
the
housing
I
asked
for
that,
hoping
that
the
administration
will
do
that
to
make
sure
that
housing
is
included
into
the
general
fund
because
you
got
to
have
housing
for
people.
You've
got
to
have
housing
so
I'm
glad
that
you
took
a
step
back
and
hopefully
Miss
Travis
and
a
few
others
can
start
looking
at
some
developments.
You
saw
the
young
gentleman's.
H
H
Why
don't
we
try
to
buy
that
property
find
a
way
to
buy
that
property?
Put
a
grocery
store,
put
something
that's
valuable
there.
So
people
can
go
there.
A
lot
of
people
in
that
community
money,
not
money's,
just
sitting
up
being
spent
I.
Don't
know
why
I
don't
know
why
we
just
can't
spend
this
money
I,
don't
understand
why
we
can't
spend
this
money
so
I'm,
hoping
that
if
you
just
see
already
boys
want
to
continue
to
blow
the
horn
like
I
say
you
got
to
spend
that
money.
H
H
I
We
also
listen
to
private
developers
and
they
all
said
if
they
could
go
back
10
years,
the
number
one
the
number
one
thing
they
all
would
do
all
the
housing
people,
all
the
all
the
developers
is
the
same
thing
we've
been
talking
about
here,
which
is
buying
land,
so
I
I'm,
sure
miss
Travis
is
watching
and
her
people,
but
we
got
to
get
those
Community
Land
trusts
going
as
soon
as
possible,
because
the
wave
that
we
we
are,
we
are
like
Austin
10
years
ago,
we're
we're
about
to
hit
an
enormous
way
bigger
than
we've
ever
seen,
and
the
only
way
we
have
to
survive
that
is
to
buy
as
much
land
as
we
possibly
can
put
in
lantros.
G
I
understand
the
desire
to
kind
of
think
about
pausing,
but
I
will
I'd
be
or
Miss.
If
I
didn't
mention
a
community,
that's
begging
for
us
to
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible
and
that's
Tampa
Heights,
who
is
asking
to
keep
their
neighborhood.
They
love
the
diversity
of
their
neighborhood
and
they're,
absolutely
losing
that
because
they
don't
have
places
for
their
community
members
to
stay
in
the
neighborhood.
So
for
every
time
people
say
well,
let's
slow
down.
G
I
can
tell
you
Tampa
Heights
from
the
people
I
speak
to
there
would
love
to
be
any
type
of
test
case.
If
we
have
to
just
use
some
place,
I
mean
I,
understand,
I!
Think
it's
just
going
to
be
incredibly
hard
to
get
the
entire
city
on
board
with
one
particular
type
of
housing.
We
have
so
much
to
do.
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
the
I
understand
people's
desire
for
time,
but.
G
It
takes
a
really
long
time
to
get
something
like
this
to
happen,
so
it's
not
overnight
and
I,
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
four
years
to
pass
and
for
us
not
to
have
done
anything
and
to
just
possibly
acquired
a
little
bit
more
land
without
really
thinking
about
the
density
we
need
and
how
do
we
keep
the
communities
that
we
have
whole
and
re
reimagining,
the
type
of
housing
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
city
as
a
as
a
whole?
M
So
I
can
speak
to
the
Tampa
Heights
comment
and
it
does
it
really
to
East
Tampa
as
well,
but
there
are
still
two
publicly
or
privately
initiated
text
amendments
from
maybe
to
maybe
two
years
at
this
point
ago
that
are
going
through
the
process,
both
of
which
we're
seeking
to
make
modifications.
Those
applicants
were
seeking
to
make
modifications
to
include
East
Tampa,
the
overlay
area
as
well
as
Tampa
Heights,
but
again
those
are
privately
sponsored,
so
they
will
be
coming
back
to
you.
M
So
we
will
be
taking
a
look
at
at
the
the
criteria
and
the
suggestions
that
come
out
of
that
process,
and
perhaps
that
can
offer
some
example
for
what
the
city-wide
changes
should
should
look
like.
N
Good
afternoon,
Council
Nicole,
Travis,
administrator
of
development
and
Economic
Opportunity
been
listening
to
the
entire
conversation,
and
the
one
thing
that
is
for
certain
is
that
there
is
no
Silver
Bullet
to
our
housing
crisis.
It's
just
not
affordable
housing
that
we're
struggling
with
and
to
councilman
Carlson's
Point.
Earlier
from
an
economic
standpoint.
If
we
don't
get
a
handle
on
our
housing
situation,
we're
going
to
be
turning
companies
away
and
pretty
much
stifle
economic
growth
in
the
community.
So
the
time
is
now
for
us
to
do
this
related
to
the
accessory
dwelling
units.
N
Another
point
that
he
made
earlier
is
that
the
accessory
dwelling
units-
we
don't
anticipate
that
it's
going
to
solve
our
challenge.
It's
just
one
small
little
nugget
that
will
help
in
the
overall
need
for
additional
density.
There's
a
lot,
a
greater
evaluation
that
we
need
to
do
we're
doing
that
with
our
housing
needs
assessment
and
some
other
initiatives
that
we'll
be
bringing
back
to
you
related
to
housing
and
not
just
affordable
housing
but
housing
in
general.
We
have
a
supply
issue
and
we're
growing
at
a
pace
that
it's
not
sustainable.
N
If
we
don't
try
to
increase
density
and
use
all
these
different
tools
for
that,
so
there's
no
Silver
Bullet,
but
I
would
ask
that
you
carefully
consider
in
September
moving
forward
with
the
areas
that
do
want
accessory
dwelling
units
and
carve
out
the
areas
that
have
voiced
their
concerns
and
their
displeasure
with
moving
forward
with
such
a
policy
change.
So
thanks.
F
You
both
I'm
I'm,
sorry
councilman,
Miranda,
all
right
Ivory.
Let
me
let
me
just
say
this
I.
What
Mr
Carlson
said
about
that
the
dwelling
units
would
be
more
likely
a
miscuous
amount
of
people
coming
in
the
600
square,
foot,
800
square
foot.
That's
what
you're
talking
about
right,
correct
behind
another
house,
I,
don't
think
you're
going!
That's
I,
don't
think!
That's
an
answer
to
anything!
F
I
think
that's
the
start
of
something
or
something,
because
what
I
see
in
a
certain
neighborhood
and
I'm
not
going
to
mention
it
I,
don't
see
it
here,
I
guess
you're
trying
to
say
13
how
many
legal,
not
conforming
structures
should
be
converted
to
this
use
and
then
there's
15.
What
is
the
accessory?
Dwellings
are
being
rented
now
without
Expressions.
Permit
I
could
tell
you
there's
hundreds
of
them.
Maybe
thousands
of
them
I
can
name
you
121,
because
I
got
the
map
for
the
prior
Administration.
F
I
can
tell
you
that
none
of
these
are
paying
taxes
to
what
they
should
be
their
rental
units,
some
with
a
resident
being
there
and
some
with
no
resume
being
there
and
they
got
them.
Labeled
Apartment
A
B,
C
and
D
in
one
house,
and
they
got
them
everywhere
in
that
area.
So
what
are
we
doing
about
it?
Nothing,
and
what
can
you
do
about
it?
Something?
But
you
can't
do
it
without
thinking
how
they
think.
First
thing
they
do
is
put
a
fence
around
the
property.
Then
they
put
what
solar.
F
So
the
electric
bill
is
down.
The
only
way
that
you
could
tell
what
it
is
is
by
the
water
meter
how
much
water
they
use,
and
these
are
things
that
are
going
on
and
when
you
drive
by
where
it
says
no
parking,
although
right
away,
you
see
five
cars
parked
diagonally
across
and
when
you
look
at
their
yard,
you
can
hardly
see
any
grass
or
any
dirt
because
they
got
five
or
six
cars
in
front
of
the
house
and
I'm,
not
blaming
them.
F
We
never
checked
on
this
from
the
beginning
way
back
and
not
this
Administration
or
other
Administration
has
been
way
back.
These
things
have
been
going
on
for
a
long
long
time
and
I,
don't
know
if
they're
still
alive,
I
had
two
or
three
friends
of
mine.
They
were
acquaintances
anyway
and
they
were
paying
it
when
he
went
to
pay
by
check.
They
said
no,
no,
you
got
to
pay
by
cash.
F
So
there's
no
evidence
of
nothing
so
they're,
not
as
naive
as
we
think
they
are
they're,
not
as
open-hearted
as
we
think
there
are.
Maybe
some
are,
but
the
majority
are
not
it's
an
income
without
taxation,
then
it
come
without
paying
higher
property
taxes
and
they
don't
even
report
the
property,
the
entire
income
that
they
get
to
the
federal
government.
So
these
are
the
things
that
are
hurting,
especially
the
school
system
and
others,
including
ourselves,
and
when
you
see
talked
about
the
rental
properties
that
are
what
they
call
it.
F
Abram
B,
Airbnb
you'll,
see
I,
see
a
house
there's
two
or
three
houses
close
to
where
I
live,
and
you
see
no
one
there
for
weeks
and
all
of
a
sudden
you'll
see
two
cars
in
the
garage
and
two
cars
on
the
sidewalk.
Blocking
the
sidewalk
and
in
two
days
are
gone
or
three
days
are
gone
or
five
days
are
gone
and
when
it
comes
back,
they're
all
different
cars,
so
either
they
own
a
car.
F
M
We've
we've
we've
attempted
to
to
do
that
through
the
property
appraiser
yeah,
but
based
upon
the
agreements
that
are
in
place
between
the
property,
our
property,
appraiser
and
Airbnb
verba.
Whoever
that
information
is
is
scrubbed.
There's
a
number
I
mean
an
identifier,
but
we
don't
get
a
list
of
addresses
a
list
of
names.
F
F
Guess
that's
the
only
way
of
finding
that
out
I'm,
not
against
people
helping
people
but
you're
going
to
do
it
for
a
certain
period
of
time,
because
they're
hurting
the
whole
neighborhood,
not
only
in
the
looks
of
it,
because
I
don't
keep
maintenance
on
it
too
much.
But
these
houses
I'm
talking
about
are
brand
new
or
some
house
that
they
spend
two
and
three
hundred
thousand
on
guaranteed.
F
They
have
because
I
know
what
it
costs
to
do
things
and
it's
there
and
there's
not
one
there's
many
of
them
and
anytime
you
or
anyone
else-
wants
to
take
a
ride
with
me,
especially
at
night.
You'll
welcome
and
I'll
show
you
and
you
can
pick
the
street
and
you
can
name
them.
You
can
see
them
yourself,
I,
don't
even
have
to
point
them
out
to
you,
you'll
notice
them
right
away
or
anyone
a
council
member
I
will
let
somebody
drive
the
car
and
I
won't
go
in
that
car.
I.
F
Just
tell
you
where
to
go,
you
can
find
all
you
want
that
way:
you're
not
violating
the
law
I'm
just
having
a
humorous
time
a
little
bit,
but
that's
how
you
find
things
out.
You
don't
find
things
out
by
just
driving
home
the
same
way.
Every
day
drive
home
a
different
way
every
day,
your
eyes
open
up
a
little
bit
more
because
you
see
a
lot
more
things
happening
and
I
I
wish
you
the
best,
but
between
now
and
September,
you'll
be
weighing
20
pounds
less
facing
all
these
things
around
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing.
M
Stephen
Benson
City
Planning.
This
is
a
transmittal
request,
so
we
brought
forward
nine
amendments
for
the
the
January
2023
cycle
of
text,
amendments
to
the
Land
Development
code,
that
came
before
you
in
March,
and
you
asked
us
to
move
forward
with
public
engagement.
So
you
also
asked
us
to
do
a
little
bit
better
than
we
had
done
in
the
prior
cycle
in
terms
of
packing
on
so
many
amendments
to
just
one
meeting,
so
we
scheduled
three
three
hearings
or
three
meetings
in
March
and
broke
them
up
by
Amendment.
M
The
first
meeting
was
held
on
March
20th
and
that
one
was
just
focused
on
the
request
for
an
amendment
to
the
design
exception
criteria.
There
was
an
extensive
discussion
about
that
at
the
March
meeting
about
what
should
be
changed.
Should
it
be
the
types
of
design
exceptions
to
be
changed,
or
should
it
be
the
process
for
notice?
Based
upon
the
conversation
that
occurred
at
this
meeting,
there
was
not
consensus
on
what
actually
to
notice,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
ideas
on
creating
new
types
of
public
notice.
M
There
was
a
parallel
Amendment
or
a
parallel
motion.
Excuse
me
to
look
at
modifications
to
the
Good
Neighbor
notice,
I
believe
Abby
feely
is
working
on
on
that
one
and
her
team.
So
our
recommendation,
and
speaking
with
the
the
22
individuals
that
attended
this
meeting,
we
believe
that
the
best
course
of
action
is
to
sort
of
package
those
together
to
run
concurrently,
so
I
I
will
be
requesting
a
motion
to
tie
that
to
the
Good
Neighbor
notice.
M
Modification
out
of
that
conversation
might
be
a
recommendation
about
what
design
exceptions
should
be
noticed
and
should
not
be
noticed,
but
right
now
there's
one
process
for
notice
and
there
was
not
consensus
that
that
should
be
done
for
every
single
type
of
De.
So
that's
that's
the
first
sort
of
requested
action
that
we
have
for
for
this
set.
M
The
remaining
nine
amendments
are
ready
for
transmittal.
The
text
is
included
in
the
packet.
We
have
one
adjustment
to
the
language
related
to
courtyards.
That
I
am
happy
to
to
go
over
here
with
you.
This
was
also
a
result,
I
think
of
a
council
member.
Her
tax
comments
about
wanting
to
make
sure
the
language
is
really
tight
and
it
can't
be
misinterpreted
as
to
what
a
courtyard
should
or
shouldn't
be.
M
So
this
is
the
one
that
I
will
go
over
and
then
I'll
be
asking
to
transmit
these
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
move
forward
for
for
the
adoption
process,
but
before
I
go
over
this
was
there
any
questions
about
what's
left
to
discuss?
Okay,
any
questions.
M
Thank
you,
okay.
So
this
is
the
CR
and
Eric
Cotton
I
believe
is
on
the
line
as
well
to
answer
questions,
but
this
is
the
revised
language
for
for
the
courtyard,
and
the
proposed
definition
would
be
just
a
reminder
about
the
purpose
of
this
amendment.
Some
sections
of
the
code,
mainly
the
design
criteria
for
it
certain
types
of
uses.
They
invoke
the
term
Courtyard,
but
the
word
is
not
defined
anywhere.
So
this
is
our
attempt
at
defining
it
and
bringing
it
in
line
with
the
definition.
M
That's
in
the
comprehensive
plan
for
Courtyard,
so
this
is
a
courtyard-
would
be
an
unoccupied
space
other
than
a
yard
which
is
open
to
the
sky
and
on
the
same
zoning
lot
with
a
building
or
group
of
buildings
and
which
is
bounded
on
at
least
two
sides
by
a
building
buildings
or
walls.
So
it's
got
to
be
bounded
on
at
least
two
sides
has
to
be
open
above
and
it
has
to
be
on
the
same
lot
as
the
building,
that's
being
rezoned.
It
can't
be
over.
You
know,
shared
by
multiple
Lots.
M
The
purpose
of
the
courtyard.
The
intent
is
that
it
should
be
designed
exclusively
for
pedestrian
use,
not
for
motor
vehicle
use,
and
it
may
or
may
not
be
shared
between
occupants.
Sometimes
the
when
projects
come
in,
it's
proposed
that
the
courtyard
is
is
fenced
off
as
long
as
it
still
functions
as
a
courtyard
staff
does
not
have
a
problem
with
that.
Sometimes
they
want
it
to
be
open
and
shared.
M
That's
fine,
too,
and
then
just
clarifying
that
a
courtyard
may
also
be
referred
to
as
an
interior
court,
because
that
language
is
used
in
the
code
as
well.
But
the
main
change
that
we
wanted
to
make
was
designed
exclusively
for
use
by
pedestrians,
not
for
Motor
Vehicles,
to
make
it
clear
that
you
can't
bring
us
a
project
with
a
big
driveway
and
call
that
a
courtyard.
It's
just
not
we're
not
going
to
accept
that.
So
this
is
the
the
final
proposed
language
for
the
courtyard
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
this
one.
B
G
No,
it's
not
you
yeah
yeah
there
we
go
I
appreciate
the
the
exclusive
use
for
pedestrians
added
there,
my
only
I
this
is
silly,
but
it's
an
Oxford,
comma
thing.
Building
buildings
or
walls.
G
G
Be
very
specific,
but
you
also
said
which
is
open
to
the
sky
and
on
the
same
zoning
lot
with
the
building
or
group
of
buildings,
and
it
just
has
a
common
there.
Instead
of
and
so
did
you
mean
to
say
and
or
did
you
just
was
that
another.
D
G
G
B
F
Clear
example,
if
we
don't
put
something
in
the
books
that
you
can
check
this
out,
it
won't
be
a
courtyard
for
long
it'll,
be
something
else,
as
you
well
know,
so
we're
talking
about
fixing
things
and
doing
things.
But
if
you
have
a
building
without
a
wall
without
a
roof
or
the
walls
of
two
sides,
then
it
go
two
or
three
years
see
what
happens.
It'll
have
a
roof,
it'll
have
a
door
and
a
lock.
F
And
it'll
have
people
living
in
them.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
because
now
you're
creating
another
thing
which
is
fine
with
me.
The
longest
is
checked
out
on
a
basis
of
every
two
years
or
something
like
that,
and
if
they
do
something,
but
that's
got
to
be
documented
at
the
time
you
do
it.
So
when
the
papers
go
into
the
courthouse,
it's
on
that
piece
of
property.
What
only
they
can
do
and
that's
it.
That's
the
only
way
you're
going
to
solve
it.
F
The
rest
of
it
is
called
Fairyland
like
Disneyland,
because
you're
not
going
to
get
it.
You
can't
come,
you
can't
do
it
I'm,
trying
to
make
fun
of
it
because
of
making
fun
of
the
system,
and
it's
not
you
or
the
city,
the
mayor
of
us,
it's
a
system
that
has
to
be
changed,
but
thank
you
very
much
again.
G
D
B
G
And
I
moved
to
continue.
Is
this
I
moved
to
continue
the
proposed
text
Amendment
related
to
public
notice,
for
the
design
exceptions
to
the
June
22nd
2023
city
council
Workshop,
to
be
heard
along
with
file
number.
B
D
It's
with
regard
to
the
continuing
the
continuance
in
a
local
state
of
emergency,
of
let's
say,
quasi-judicial
hearings
and
I
had
some
concerns
with
them
in
terms
of
practicality
and
implementation,
but
I'll
be
able
to
discuss
that
some
work
it
through
as
it
goes
through
the
process,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
that
it
was
something
that
that
I
had
a
concern
about,
but
we'll
be
able
to
address
it.
Thank
you.
F
I
Just
quickly
councilman
Miranda,
although
I,
would
love
to
go
on
that
nighttime
tour
with
you.
We
can't
because
of
sunshine.
I
Okay,
no,
we
can't
do
that
either.
We
can't
so,
but
but
I'll.
I
The
the
communication
Department
seems
to
have
a
lot
of
Staff
right
now,
and
so
maybe
somebody
could
follow
you.
The
video
camera
there
you
go
and
and
and
edit
a
video
to
educate
us
all
in
illegal
structures.
I
think
that
would
be
a
worthwhile
Endeavor
seriously,
but.
B
Okay,
I
apologize
everybody's,
throwing
their
sheets
of
paper
away.
I
was
just
wondering
we
need
to
continue
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
file
number
e,
2022-8
chapter
27.
B
F
Not
sir
I
just
want
to
say,
I
enjoy
working
with
those
that
are
going
to
somehow
not
be
here.
Absolutely
Thursday
meeting
and
I
appreciate
you
your
commitments
in
your
work
for
the
last
four
years
and
making
the
city
better
than
what
you
got
here
and
marching
forward.
F
It's
something
that
will
change
and
there's
one
thing
about
winning
the
one
thing
about:
not
winning
you
still
yourself
and
you
still
could
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
as
long
as
you
do
it
within
the
Realms
of
the
possibility
of
the
facts
that
are
before
you.
How
do
you
like
that
for
a
political
speech,
Mr
Goose?
H
Well,
let
me
start
with
Mr
Shelby.
Thank
you
for
what
you've
done
these
four
years
for
me
to
be
able
to
give
me
some
knowledge
and
guidance
to
some
areas
of
your
expertise.
H
I
tell
you
always
be
the
coach
Marty
I'm
still
going
to
tell
you
that
I
always
be
the
coach
you're,
the
leader
of
this
diocese,
and
you,
you
know
you
have
a
chairman.
You
have
to
be
able
to
express
your
opinion
to
the
chairman
and
be
able
to
tell
council
members
what's
right
and
what's
wrong
regardless.
That's
your
job,
as
the
city
council
attorney,
you
used
to
give
us
your
opinion,
your
legal
opinion,
so
I
won't
just
leave
you
with
that
bill.
Let
me
say
thank
you
for
what
you've
done.
H
H
H
The
truth
will
always
set
you
free.
Unless
you
have
the
faith
and
God
you,
you
believe
in
a
man
of
above
and
you
do
the
right
things
they
always
happen.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
for
being
that
friend
in
the
end,
so
I
needed
a
friend
I
appreciate
that
Mr
Vera.
Let
me
say
thank
you
to
you.
I
remember.
My
first
ran
a
campaign.
I
learned
a
lot
from
you
and
I
appreciate
that
in
the
end,
I
was
angry
with
you
for
what
I
felt
what
you
did,
but
again
my
heart.
H
My
conscience
is
clear,
sir
and
I
want
you
to
make
this.
What
I
call
a
lesson
for
you,
possibly
in
the
answer,
because
I
think
we
all
learned
something
about
what
happened
and
we
all
can
learn
something
so
again.
I
leave
with
no
heart
feelings,
no
ill
will
and
I
say,
good
luck
to
you
and
your
future
endeavors
as
well.
Sir
Guido,
you
soft-spoken
one,
you
know
the
one
who
wants
to
make
peace
and
it's
good
to
make
peace.
H
My
friend,
but
sometimes
you
got
to
be
a
lion
too
in
the
den
you've,
got
the
roar.
If
you
ever
want
to
be
the
mayor
of
the
city
retire,
you
got
to
show
people.
Sometimes
you
can
be
that
lion,
but
you
won't
go
along
to
get
along,
but
I
understand
you're
still
you
you're
still
young
you're,
making
it
making
your
rounds,
but
I
appreciate
you
being
a
friend
too
I
appreciate
you
for
always
coming
by,
and
you
know
we're
out
there.
So
I
do
appreciate
you
never
think
I.
H
Don't
so
good
luck
to
you
and
your
future
endeavors
as
well.
My
friend
thank
you.
Mr
zitro,
we
became
friends
early
I,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
you
know
I
never
will
leave
a
place
anger
or
leave
a
person
to
feel
I'm
angry
with
them.
I'm
not
angry
with
you,
sir
I
want
you
to
know
that
whatever
you
do
in
your
future,
endeavors
I
hope
you
the
best
as
well
and
I.
Think
we've
all
learned
something
being
here:
nothing's
ever
promised
a
given.
H
H
Friend,
you
know
the
other
hell
raise
of
the
council.
You
know
you
fought
a
hell
of
a
fight
and
do
it
a
lot.
You
came
in
people.
Thought
you'd
be
one
way,
but
you
turned
out
to
be
that
that
real
lioness
you
gave
him
hell.
You
gave
everybody
hell.
You
show
people
that
you're
not
afraid
to
get
in
the
fight
and
that's
what
people
want.
People
want
people
who
will
get
into
the
fight
with
them.
Be
it
wrong
bad
and
different.
But
we'll
have
courage,
you
always
say
never.
H
So
God
bless
you
and
your
endeavors
to
the
to
the
old
man,
the
guy
who
who
knows
it
all
seen
it
all
it's
quiet,
but
has
that
that
cki
to
know
what's
going
on
not
what's
going
on
but
gave
me
good
advice
while
I
was
here,
I
and
I
appreciate
that
what
you
gave
me
never
take
it
for
granted,
but
again
you'll
be
able
to
get
more
wisdom.
Well
knowledge
to
those
who
come.
H
H
H
I
respect
the
administration
as
well.
I
didn't
agree,
but
to
agree
to
disagree.
We
can't
be
angry
one
another.
We
just
have
a
difference
of
opinion
and
we
have
to
respect
that
and
I'm
always
going
to
respect
everybody
respect
the
place,
but
I
always
will
have
my
opinion.
So
again,
I
say
thank
you
to
all
and
I'm
gonna
sign
off
tonight.
I'll
start
my
my
vacation
plans
for
each
month.
So
God
bless
you
all
I'll
start
by
real
retirement.
Now.
G
Wow,
it's
hard
to
follow
that
I
want
to
say
thank
you!
Councilman
goods,
for
you
know
taking
me
under
your
wing
when
I
first
got
here
and
really
I
mean
we
developed
a
friendship
on
the
charter
review
commission.
G
We
sat
next
to
each
other,
then
too
so
developed
a
friendship
there
and
just
continued
it
here
and
I'm
grateful
for
that
and
I'm
grateful
for
councilman
citro
and
his
ability
to
sit
on
that
same
commission
with
me,
but
I'd
be
remiss
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
introduction.
We
have
a
new
new
gentleman.
Who's
going
to
be
new
officer
is
going
to
be
helping
us
out.
We
want
to.
C
Well,
it's
my
pleasure
to
serve
you
serve
you
all.
My
name
is
Ferdinand.
Barbosa
I've
met
most
of
you,
I
go
by
Junior
in
the
department
I've
been
in
with
tpd
for
23
years
and
I
look
forward
to
serving
you
all
and
protecting
you
and
working
for
you
and
I
know.
I
have
huge
shoes
to
fill
from
this
gentleman.
So
thank
you.
K
A
couple
of
things
councilmember
Goods
I've
enjoyed
working
with
you
serving
with
you
also
I've,
said
it
before
I,
say
it
again:
you're
the
hardest
working
city,
councilman
I,
think
maybe
we've
ever
had
and
you're
out
there
day
in
and
day
out
in
the
district,
fighting
the
good
fight
listening
to
the
people
we
may,
we
may
not
always
agree
it
doesn't
matter
you're,
you
did
the
job
that
you
were
elected
to
do
and
I
think
you
did
it
better
than
anybody
else,
and
you
should
be
very
proud
of
that
and
you
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
very
proud
of
you
and
you
know
we'll
miss
you.
L
K
Cut
a
hair,
so
my
family
and
you
go
back.
My
mother
knew
you
in
college,
that's
1980,
1979
1981,
but
I
appreciate
you
and
your
service
and
I
don't
think.
We've
seen
the
end
of
either
one
of
you
you're
very,
very
involved.
I
mean
you're
you're,
your
fingerprints
are
all
over
the
city.
You
know
people
know
you.
People
know
the
type
of
people.
You
are
the
hard
work
and
the
dedication
and
the
service
that
you've
done.
K
So
we
appreciate
we
appreciate
you,
you
being
here
so
and
that's
that
I
do
have
a
a
I
guess
a
quasi-motion.
This
is
totally
separate
if
we
need
to
make
a
motion,
but
if
you
notice
in
the
clerk's
office
they're
doing
work,
I
I
mentioned
it
briefly,
but
in
the
lobby
area
where
currencia
would
say,
there's
like
the
stick
on
pieces
of
you
know,
Square
pieces
of
carpet
and
they've
pulled
up
some
of
those
and
the
original
tile
floor.
That's
probably
from
1915.
K
Is
there
and
I
think
you
know
I
mentioned
to
some
folks
in
facilities
that
are
working
there,
the
other
day,
I,
don't
know
who
we
have
to
ask,
or
just
an
informal
request
that
that
lobby
area
that
square
that
they
just
leave
it
exposed.
You
know,
pull
the
carpet
off
and
they
just
have
to
give
it
a
quick
polish,
because
the
tile
underneath
is
in
good
shape.
I
think
it
looks
nice
with
the
city
Crest,
that's
the
Mosaic
one!
That's
on
the
wall.
You
know
for
the
historic
aspect.
This
building
has
been
modernized
inside
outside.
K
Of
course
it
looks
original
so
I
don't
know.
If
do
we
need
a
motion
or
just
a
request
of
facilities
that
okay,
so
a
motion
that
we
ask
I,
guess
facilities
the
folks
that
are
working
in
the
clerks
office
to
expose
you
know
meaning
pull
off
the
stick
on
carpet.
That's
there
in
the
lobby
area
only
and
just
polish
up
those
tiles
underneath,
that's
I
think
it's
going
to
look
beautiful
once
it's
once.
It's
done
so
motion.
B
O
You
very
much,
sir,
and
and
I
I
appreciate
the
words
councilman
good
you.
It's
not
easy.
Speaking
from
the
heart
like
that,
I
I
appreciate
it,
you
know
you
you,
like
councilman,
Maniscalco,
said
you,
you
know
the
difference
between
you
and
councilman
Citrus
councilman
citro
was
Citywide.
You
represent
a
district.
When
you
represent
a
district,
you
have
a
unique
parochial
duty
to
hit
hard
for
that
District.
You
always
have
your
store.
O
Remember
the
first
year
there
in
the
budget,
when
you
brought
up
the
the
rec
center
and
that
was
kind
of
unheard
of
at
the
time
I
mean
it
was
just
to
stop
a
budget
and
be
like
hey,
listen.
You
know.
My
district
needs
this,
but
I
I
appreciate
your
words.
A
lot
I
mean
that
I
really
do
and
and
councilman
citro
I.
O
You
know
you
to
me
your
your
pothole
Joe,
which
is
that
you're
always
the
the
guy
that
citizens
would
come
to
for
you
know
everyday
issues
and
Roads
Etc
et
cetera
and
you've
just
done
such
a
good
job
with
such
a
a
real
Zeal
for
everyday
services,
for
people
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
and
both
of
you
all
have
a
deep,
deep
love
for
this
city
and
and
whatnot,
and
it's
really
appreciated
110
110
and
actually
do
have
a
quick
motion.
O
If
I
may
one
I
motion
there's
an
organization
that
I
got
to
know
by
the
name
of
cops
which
is
dealing
with
survivors
of
police
officers
who
have
been
killed
in
a
line
of
duty,
now
wanted
to
invite
for
police
memorial
week,
Cindy
Roberts,
who
is
the
Widow
of
Mike
Roberts,.
K
O
Has
taken
from
us
about
2009,
yeah
13
yeah
12
years
ago
to
speak
to
us
on
May
18th,
just
for
five
minutes
about
the
organization
and
what
they're
doing
and
Stephanie
Barnes,
whose
brother
was
St,
Petersburg,
Police
Department
was
taken
from
us
as
well.
I
Guys,
I
guess
we'll
see
each
other
in
a
couple
hours
anyway,
but
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
chair
sitro
and
council
member
Goods.
It's
been
great
working
with
you
guys,
councilmember
Goods.
Thank
you
for
the
nice
words
just
so
the
public
knows.
We
can't
talk
to
each
other
outside
this
room.
So
it's
it!
It's
it's
fun.
We
were
on
the
charter,
review,
commission
and
then
here
it's
it's
fun.
I
How
we
can
we
all
have
to
sense
what
each
other
is
thinking
and
because
we
can't
talk
to
each
other
and
compare
notes
outside
and
I
accountable.
Goods
I
appreciate
your
advocacy
for
your
District,
educating
me,
at
least
on
the
things
that
your
District
needed
and
your
persistence
in
chasing
those
things
and
and
I
think
everybody
can
see
your
heart
is
in
it
and
your
dedication
and
your
and
your
honesty
and
addressing
issues
and
I
think
it's
been
refreshing.
I
We've
we've
resolved
a
lot
of
issues
that
the
city
needed
to
go
through
a
transformational
last
four
years
and
and
I
think
we
together
help
make
that
happen
now.
Hopefully,
we
can
move
into
a
phase
that
where
we
can
all
heal
and
work
together
and
make
things
happen,
but
we
had
to
go
through
this
process
over
the
last
four
years.
I
But
the
good
news
is
that
I
look
forward
to
having
a
cigar
with
you
sometime
soon
and
speaking
of
cigars
congrats
to
my
other
colleagues
who
won
on
Tuesday
and
especially
the
council
member
hertak,
who
faced
unbelievable
odds
in
in
in
getting
hit
and
I
can't
imagine,
I
I
was
hit
with
about
half
as
much
as
you
were
hit
with
and
I
can't
imagine
what
it
was
like
to
go
through
that,
and
so
thank
you
for
persevering
through
that,
and
hopefully
it
sent
a
lot
of
signals
that
the
public
is
serious
about
change
in
this
community
and
we've
had
several
wins
now
that
that
are
proof
that
the
that
the
community
wants
a
balance
of
power.
I
They
want
good
government
and
the
administration
is
saying
they
want
to
work
with
us
now.
So
I
hope
that
that
will
all
happen.
But
the
the
public
clearly
is
aware
of
what's
been
happening,
they're
educated
about
what's
been
happening
and
they
they
voted.
So,
let's
move
forward
and
make
make
the
positive
changes
that
we
need
in
this
community.
Thank
you
all.
B
A
happy
and
I'm
not
talking
about
Paula
I'm,
talking
about
Fran
Constantino,
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
using
the
process
to
be
finalized.
In
next
week's
ordinance.
I
would
like
to
motion
to
rename
East
Ybor
Park
to
Constantino
park
because
of
the
family's
long-term
presence
in
Ybor
City
and
the
history
the
family
has
had
with
the
Improvement
that
have
happened
over
the
years
in
this
East
Ybor
Park.
K
Do
we
have
a
second
I
think
this
is
wonderful,
I've,
known
Fran,
a
very
very
long
time
and
again,
when
you
talk
about
a
hard-working
individual
Orlando
Goods
is
a
hard-working
individual
friend
is,
is
right
there
and
how
she's
devoted
herself
for
years
to
the
community
and
I
can't
even
tell
you
how
many
boards
organizations
non-profits
very
very
much
deserved.
So
we
have
a
motion
from
council
member
chairman
citro,
second
from
council
member
Carlson,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
motion
to
receive
and
fall.
D
If
I
can,
if
I
can
Mr
chairman
with
your
Indulgence
for
just
a
minute,
I
just
want
to
say
from
where
I
sit,
it
is
a
tremendous
honor
and
a
great
privilege
to
serve
the
city
council
and
both
you,
gentlemen,
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
serve
you
to
help.
You
better
serve
your
constituents.
It's
been
a
tremendous,
honor
and
privilege
for
me
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
accomplishments
for
your
time
on
city,
council
and
I.
D
D
Madam
councilwoman
there
is
a
an
organizational
meeting,
2
p.m.
Here
on
Monday,
at
which
time
you
check
you
select
the
chair
and
the
chair,
Pro
tem
of
city
council
and
the
chair,
and
the
vice
chair
of
the
CRA
I've,
also
been
advised
that
there
will
be
somebody
here.
Brian
Sullivan
will
be
here
to
take
a
picture
before
the
start
of
that
meeting
for
the
purposes
of
updating
the
website,
so
just
be
prepared
for
that
and
again
I
just
want
to
say
a
thank
you.