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From YouTube: TCC Budget Hearing 9/19/23
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A
A
C
B
Right
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
entertain
a
motion
with
the
roll
call
vote
to
open
the
second
public
hearing
for
consideration
of
the
FY
2024
millage
rate
and
operating
in
capital
Improvement
budget
for
the
City
of
Tampa
for
Florida
statute,
section
200.065,
the
FY
2024
final
millage
rate
needs
to
be
adopted
by
a
separate
vote
prior
to
adopting
the
operating
and
capital
Improvement
budget.
We
have
a
motion
from
council
member
Vieira
and
we
have
a
second
councilwoman
Henderson,
a
roll
call
to
open
the
public
hearing.
C
C
B
D
Just
for
the
members
of
public
first
I
want
to
thank
the
administration
for
taking
this
back
over
the
last
week
and
going
through
it.
I
know
they
spent
a
lot
of
hours
on
it
and
and
I
think
each
of
us
has
had
an
update
from
staff
and
and
probably
the
mayor,
I
had
a
call
with
the
mayor
today
also,
but
the
slide
presentation
you're
seeing
which
is
the
details
of
it.
D
We
just
received
a
few
minutes
ago
and
that's
why
it's
not
on
sire
and
and
we've
asked
that
that
staff
make
copies
of
it
for
everybody
in
the
audience,
everybody
on
TV
will
see
it
in
a
minute
and
you'll
see
it,
but
we've
asked
for
copies
to
be
made.
Unfortunately,
the
printers
two
printers
are
broken
in
the
back
and
so
we're
trying
to
get
the
copies
of
it
for
you.
But
we
apologize
for
not
getting
it
to
you
in
advance.
D
F
G
G
G
So
they
brought
me
a
one
to
read
second
reading
a
second
public
hearing
statement.
This
is
the
second
public
hearing
of
the
city
of
Tampa
year
2024
budget.
The
proposed
military
rate
is
6.2076
Mills,
which
is
6.95
more
than
the
rollback
millage
rate
of
5.8041
mils
property
tax
funds
are
used
to
support
the
general
fund
operating
budget
and
the
community
redevelopment
agency
fund
for
the
city.
The
general
fund
includes
such
departments
as
fire,
rescue
and
police
Human
Resources,
Parks
and
Recreation.
B
All
right,
Miss
Rogero,
please
proceed
with
the
city
of
Tampa
presentation
of
the
FY
2024
millage
rate
and
operating
Capital
Improvement
budget.
That's
modified
for
City
council's
approval
of
a
tentative
millage
rate
of
6.2076
Mills
at
the
first
public
hearing
on
September
5th
Which
is
less
than
the
initial
millage
rate
proposed
by
the
mayor.
Go
ahead,
sir.
You
have
a
presentation
if
we
could
bring
it
up.
F
I
B
E
J
B
K
K
F
Right
and
again,
thank
you,
I'll
lead
off
by
saying
well,
I
just
said,
thank
you
but
I'll,
but
I'll.
Thank
you
all
again
again
as
we
let
off
August
3rd.
You
know
this
is
quite
a
burden
and
a
privilege
for
both
the
mayor
staff
and
city
council
to
work
through
a
nearly
two
billion
dollar
budget.
This
was
the
soonest.
F
We
could
get
it
to
you
so
again,
I
apologize
to
members
of
the
public
who
haven't
seen
this
in
a
nutshell,
I'm
going
to
start
with
at
a
very
broad
level
and
get
down
into
further
detail
as
you've.
Seen
if
you,
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
through
my
presentation,
I
appreciate
all
the
discussion,
all
the
collaboration
cooperation.
F
The
upshot
is,
we
think
we've
arrived
at
in
the
you
know.
In
the
absence
of
the
millage
increase,
we
think
we've
arrived
at
a
very
significant
source
of
funding
for
our
highest
priorities,
as
we've
discussed
over
these
past
weeks
and
months
and
without
further
Ado.
In
order
to
level
set,
we
removed
the
the
the
additional
millage
the
revenue
associated
with
the
millage
increase,
both
from
the
general
fund
and
from
the
CRA,
and
then
we
removed
the
associated
expenses
that
we
had
planned
in
our
proposed
budget.
For
that
54
million
dollars.
F
Again
it
was
54
million
dollars,
eightish
to
the
CRA,
with
45
remaining
for
the
general
fund,
and
we
went
and
removed
it
dollar
for
dollar.
So
we
could
start
from
a
Level
Playing
Field.
If
you
will
and
again
address
those
priorities
that
we've
discussed
over
this
time,
you
see
bullet
number,
two
realignment
of
the
fiscal
year,
24
continuing
services
and
Broad
removal
of
the
enhanced
Services.
What
broad
removal
of
the
enhanced
Services
means?
We
went
back
and
reduced
many
of
those
budget
increase
items
that
we
had
shared
with
city
council
prior.
F
That
was
the
sheet
with
the
individual
departments
and
what
they
were
asking
for.
In
fiscal
year,
24.
increases
they
were
asking
for
to
continue
their
current
level
of
service
and
increases.
They
were
asking
for
to
expand
their
level
of
service.
A
good
example
is
we
had
a
number
of
technology
and
Innovations
increases.
F
F
We
have
a
few
options:
Council
already
discussed
one
taking
approximately
seven
million
dollars
from
the
parking
program
and
redirecting
that
to
Paving
it's
an
allowable
use,
it's
a
Mobility
related
use,
so
that
is
an
option.
Council
has
and
we've
included
that
in
the
slides
to
come,
another
option
Council
discussed
was
to
use
a
percentage
of
the
general
fund
balance
specifically
for
housing
and
we'll
get
into
a
little
more
detail.
There.
F
And
here
we
go
and
once
we
went
through
the
the
sources
we
addressed
the
uses
you
see
here,
we've
included
a
public
safety
impact
fee
study
or
funding
for
a
public
in
safety
impact
fee
study.
We
do
not
think
at
this
time,
although
we're
not
exactly
sure
we
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
successful
in
getting
that
safer
grant
for
35
fighter
firefighter
paramedic
positions,
so
we
have
replaced
the
funding
Associated
again.
It
was
non-matched
for
three
years,
so
I
shouldn't
say
replaced
well
I
guess
we
did.
F
F
Now
what
that
means
is
we
have
a
little
under
700
000
as
you'll
see
to
enter
into
some
sort
of
long-term
debt
for
either
reconstruction
or
rebuilding,
select
fire
stations,
and
we
can
talk
more
about
that
and,
as
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
last
time,
we
had
the
community
investment
tax
for
added
vehicle
replacement
in
both
the
fire
and
police.
You'll
see
the
last
bullet
in
each
of
those
categories,
and
we
await
word
of
the
cops
ahead,
30
positions
associated
with
that
Grant
and
the
sustainment
funding
the
power
positions
and
continuing
service
costs.
F
F
housing,
we
would
continue-
or
we
would
revise,
recommend
continuing
the
current
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
from
the
general
fund
and
increasing
that
by
five
million
dollars
and
again
here's
what
we
come
back
to
that
potential
general
fund
balance
option
and
we
continue
with
the
1.7
million
dollars.
Financing
for
housing
creation
and
preservation
that'd
be
a
financing
component
that
we
bring
to
council
to
maximize
or
leverage
that
1.7
million
dollars
in
the
Parks
and
Recreation.
Of
course,
we've
talked
about
the
Ada
accessibility
funding.
F
Those
are
included
within
the
current
capital
or
within
the
proposed.
Excuse
me
Capital
Improvement
program
and
as
we
look
out
to
Future
Capital
Improvement
program
projects
in
Parks
and
Recreation,
probably
the
largest
example
or
the
most.
The
most
apparent
example
is
the
k-bar
ranch
Park.
We
can
look
at
spacing
and
planning
that
out
over
the
next
five-year
time.
Increment.
F
You
and
there's
a
bit
going
on
here,
but
it
is
what
I
alluded
to
earlier.
This
is
the
level
set
we
took
out
the
for
the
general
fund.
We
took
out
the
45
45
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
the
general
fund
associated
with
the
millage
increase,
and
you
can
see
dollar
for
dollar.
We
remove
that
from
the
expenses
I'll
move
that
up
a
little
bit
right
there.
F
You
will
recall
we
had
a
little
over
nine
and
a
half
million
going
to
Public
Safety
a
little
under
18
million,
going
to
Transportation
a
little
over
9
million
for
housing,
etc,
etc,
and
we
cleared
that
out
from
the
proposed
budget.
So
we
could
level
set
and
start
from
a
static
status
quo
budget.
If
you
will.
F
Let
me
know
if
that's
big
enough
or
if
you
need
me
to
do
the
the
wheel,
because
I
don't
mind,
moving
it
up
and
down
all
right
again.
The
first
option
or
the
option
we've
talked
about,
is
reducing
the
general
fund
balance.
One
percent
little
less
than
we
anticipated
turns
out
to
be
about
five
million
dollars.
That'll
bring
us
from
twenty
three
percent
to
22
percent.
There's
the
parking
contribution,
approval
and
redirection
that
we
talked
about
earlier
in
the
good
news
departments.
Again
we
presented
the
budget
nearly
a
month
and
a
half
ago.
F
Since
then
we
have
gotten
more
Revenue
data
and
the
data
is
positive
and
we
We've
upped
our
projections,
two
million
dollars
in
total
about
a
million
for
the
state
shared
revenue
and
about
a
million
for
some
other
odds
and
end
Revenue.
F
F
You
see
a
14
million
dollars
in
additional
sources
and
what
did
we
use
that
funding
for
you
see
in
public
safety
and
again
I've
got
more
detail
coming
as
I
break
this
down
nearly
five
million
dollars
to
Public
Safety,
there's
the
seven
million
dollars
for
Mobility
Transportation
associated
with
the
parking
Revenue
housing
of
just
over
just
over
6.8
million
dollars.
That's
the
general
fund
increase
and
also
a
component
for
financing.
Parks
and
Recreation
saw
no
change
from
these
actions.
F
F
Parts
very,
very
slight:
decrease
of
125
000
I've
got
detail
on
that.
We
reduced
in
other
areas
of
Public
Safety
over
1.2
million
dollars.
I've
got
detail
on
that.
We
have
some
other
reductions,
I'll
get
in
two
of
one
and
a
half
million
dollars.
I've
got
more
detail
and
then
various
other
department
reductions.
So
you
see
on
the
right
there
a
little
over
5.7
million
dollars
of
redirecting
funding
that
was
initially
in
the
proposed
budget.
I
F
Nothing
new
here:
this
is
the
sources
again
we
got
into
detail,
here's
the
same
detail
again.
We
recognize
some
additional
Revenue
based
on
our
projections.
Again,
I'll
remind
city
council,
City,
Council,
of
course
knows
it,
but
I
will
remind
the
viewing
public
budget
is
simply
a
plan.
It
is
going
to
change.
F
So
all
of
our
revenue
and
expense
projections
are
simply
plans
at
this
time
in,
in
reality,
where
reality
we're
adopting
a
a
spending
plan
for
next
year,
without
even
being
out
of
the
current
year
and
knowing
how
this
year
ends,
it
will
take
us
through
November
to
close
the
books
on
the
current
year.
So
it's
the
best
educated
guess
of
any
number
of
great
minds,
and
these
great
minds
are
are
willing
to
recognize
an
additional
two
million
dollars
in
Revenue.
F
And
here
are
the
uses
you
see
in
detail
that
we
discussed
earlier
and
I'll
break
them
down
for
you
there's
the
fire
positions,
an
estimate,
an
estimate.
Excuse
me
of
1.8
million
dollars.
Those
are
the
18
positions,
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
each.
That
is,
instead
of
again
the
30
positions
associated
with
the
safer
Grant.
F
The
verdict
is
not
finally
in,
but
we
we
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
that
Debt
Service
on
the
right
a
little
over
660
000
that
we
can
bond
out
for
for
a
total
of
about
20
million
dollars,
and
you
see
on
the
left
there,
fire
station
6,
9
10..
F
Those
are
fire
stations
that
Council
has
talked
about
fire
station.
24
is
also
a
fire
station
that
Council
has
talked
about,
and
this
puts
20
million
dollars
into
the
universe,
to
consider
for
those
fire
stations,
the
cops
ahead,
Grant
match
and
the
additional
funding
requirement
that
we've
talked
about.
We
remain
confident
we're
going
to
get
those
30
positions,
but
the
verdict
isn't
in
yet
the
public
safety
master
plan
or
the
yeah.
The
public
safety
master
plan
funding
for
that
of
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Public
Safety
impact
fee
study
of
eighty
thousand
dollars.
F
The
Police
Athletic
League
positions
that
we
discussed
in
the
past
are
in
there
for
a
little
a
little
under
five
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
and
as
I
res
referenced
earlier
and
as
we've
discussed,
police
vehicles
are
in
the
the
community
investment
tax
program
and
that
should
that
should
say,
police
and
fire.
So
that's
that's
our
error.
We
have
16
million
dollars
for
police
and
fire
vehicles.
F
F
Continuing
with
the
details
associated
with
the
increases
in
use,
there
is
the
housing
funding
that
we
discussed
for
housing
creation
and
preservation,
financing
1.6-
well,
not
quite
1.7
million
dollars.
For
that
again,
we'll
leverage
that
with
a
debt
issuance
which
of
course,
will
bring
the
council
and
then
the
increase
in
the
general
fund
for
housing
assistance,
5.2
million
dollars,
the
Ada
accessibility
again
is
included
within
each
Parks
and
Recreation
Capital
Improvement
project.
F
We
have
this
as
a
placeholder,
because
Council
surfaced
allocation
of
the
eight
million
dollars
in
the
community
redevelopment
agencies
again
they're
getting
an
additional
eight
million
dollars
associated
with
the
taxable
value
increase.
We
have
it
as
a
placeholder,
because
our
presumption
is
city
council,
as
the
CRA
board
will
discuss
how
to
allocate
or
confirm
how
they're
allocating
that
funding.
F
And
continuing
with
the
uses,
but
this
time
the
how
we
beat
these
funding
in
some
areas
you
see
Parks
and
Recreation.
My
understanding
is,
there
are
very
few
pickleball
courts
remaining
to
be
completed,
but
that
was
a
request
of
council
to
eliminate
those
and
that's
125
000.,
as
we'd
also
discussed
last
meeting,
removing
the
smartphones
for
tpd
and
having
I
should
say:
cutting
in
half
the
over
higher
funding
for
Tampa
Police
Department.
We
cut
that
by
50
percent,
recognizing
just
under
a
million
dollars
of
savings.
F
Various
Department
category-
these
are
those
budget
increases.
I
was
referencing
earlier,
a
little
a
little
over
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
reductions
associated
with
that
very
long
list.
We
gave
to
council
for
each
department
and
what
they
were
requesting
in
fiscal
year
24.,
and
then
you
see
the
almost
1.3
million
dollars
worth
of
savings
associated
with
bringing
the
non-union
employees
down
from
a
four
and
a
half
percent
pay
increase
to
a
three
percent
pay
increase
across
the
board.
F
And
one
of
these
days,
we'll
come
up
with
a
better
description
than
other
I
promise
you,
but
here
are
some
other
reductions
again
that
the
communications
coordinator
position
and
contract
Administration
was
discussed
and
that
has
been
eliminated
and
that
was
part
of
the
the
budget
increased
new
positions
in
the
previous
page,
the
mayor's
advisor
position
has
been
discussed,
that's
been
eliminated
and
you
see
in
the
social
action
and
arts
fund
we
eliminated
or
reduced.
Excuse
me
354
000,
from
existing
contributions.
F
We
eliminated
all
new
contributions
for
775
000..
We
we
left
the
agreements
alone
again,
because
we
have
bona
fide
agreements
with
those
particular
non-profits
that
are
enforced
right
now
and
then
for
our
city
assets
with
the
Tampa
Museum,
the
aquarium,
the
zoo
Etc.
We
reduced
10
percent
across
the
board
for
each
of
those
entities
for
a
little
over
216
000
in
savings,
and
you
see
the
subtotal
there
and
again
on
the
lower
right.
F
B
You
very
much
before
I
start
with
council
member
Moran
and
go
down
the
line.
Thank
you
to
you,
your
team,
your
staff,
everybody
that
took
part
in
reworking
this
budget
in
a
very,
very
short
period
of
time,
I
think
I.
B
What
I
see
here
is
that
you
took
the
feedback
from
last
Wednesday
when
we
had
our
workshop
and
in
my
opinion,
a
lot
of
questions
were
answered.
A
lot
of
feedback
was
was
included,
I
think-
and
you
know,
in
what
I
see
regarding
general
fund,
which
means
the
reserves
correct.
B
Yes,
so
there's
that
five
million
dollars
there,
and
that
is
an
option,
but
in
my
opinion,
since
it
would
go
to
increase
the
housing
budget
and
it
would
go
to
housing,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
and
I
understand
the
the
pros
and
cons
of
Dipping
into
our
reserves.
However,
over
the
last
several
years
and
I've
known
you
since
I
started,
you've
been
very
good.
B
You've
been
a
very
good
Steward
and
the
city
has
and
putting
money
in
the
reserves
and
as
I
I
said
in
the
last
meeting,
you
know
it's
the
rainy
day
fund
in
many
ways,
even
though
we're
required
to
keep
it
at
20
percent,
we're
over
funded
doesn't
mean
that
we
can
take
it
down
to
20,
but
but
that
it
would
be
prudent.
However,
there's
money
available
that
we
can
take
now
that
we
can
put
towards
housing.
B
I
think
that's
our
most
pressing
pressing
item
here
in
this
community,
so
I
and
I'm,
not
speaking
for
my
colleagues,
we'll
hear
from
everybody,
but
we
need
to
go
into
the
general
fund
and
put
that
towards
housing
in
addition
to
what
is
already
budgeted
in
regards
to
the
seven
million
dollars
deferring
the
parking
guidance
system.
I
know
that
was
brought
up
in
the
last
in
the
workshop
I
know
our
roads
are
in
terrible
terrible
condition,
and
this
would
this
would
be
7
million.
B
On
top
of
the
4.4
million
that's
budgeted,
so
it
would
increase
that
that
Paving
budget
and
then
with
Public
Safety
we
would
be
able
to
preserve.
Should
we
get
the
police
Grant
and
you
said,
we're
hopeful,
but
we're
able
to
preserve
those
positions
And
in
regards
to
fire.
You
had
mentioned
that
we
may
not,
or
we
may
receive,
that
Grant.
It's
it's
up
in
the
air,
but
you've
allocated
funding
for
18
positions.
Is
that
correct.
B
Okay
and
then
my
last
comment,
slash
question
would
be
regarding
I
wrote
it
here
how
we
can
take
663
thousand
dollars
and
bond
that
to
allow
for
20
million
dollars
worth
of
funding,
and
that
would
be
would
that
be
able
to
go
to
station
24?
Yes,
okay
and
it
would
go
to
6,
9
and
10
would
be
Renovations
or
tear
down
and
rebuild.
Or
what
do
you?
What
do
you
plan
there?
What
do
you
foresee
there
I.
F
Don't
know
that
I'll
defer
to
the
contract
administration
department
or
the
fire
chief
I,
don't
know
that
the
decision
has
been
made
yet
okay
again
in
our
attempt
to
to
to
get
a
product
to
council
and
the
public,
we
wanted
to
at
least
identify
a
pool
of
funding
for
any
number
any
number
of
particular
options.
B
Okay
and
I'll
close
with
this
again
we're
going
to
have
to
dip
into
the
reserves.
You've
been
a
very
good
Steward.
We've
been
very
good
at
saving,
but
with
the
housing
situation,
I
think
we
should
take
that
money
and
add
it
additionally
to
to
what
we're
we're
talking
about
with
housing,
to
make
the
the
biggest
investment
that
we
can
be
on
CRA
Beyond.
You
know,
that's
a
that's
a
different
budget,
but
again
just
thank
you
very
much.
I
I,
you
know
you,
you
heard
what
I
said
and
I
see
it
here.
B
G
G
They
look
at
it
very
carefully
and
if
you're
going
to
go
into
your
Reserves
at
the
same
time,
you're
going
to
stop
bonding
something
you
may
not
have
done
in
the
past
they're
going
to
look
at
that
also
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
a
possibility,
The
Happening.
That
could
happen
whether
they
look
at
or
not
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
that.
G
But
that's
all
I'm
saying
just
a
warning
of
my
own
thought
of
mine
that
it
is
in
general,
it's
just
like
operating
your
own
checkbook
you're
about
to
check
one
time
to
Let
It
Go.
By
now
that
we're
bouncing
checks.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
But
if
you
do
that,
constantly
you
better
find
another
bank,
because
they're
not
going
to
have
you
for
a
client
too
long.
That's
it
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
F
And
I'm
sorry
Mr
chair,
if
you
may
add
to
that
again,
you
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
my
job
and
my
responsibility
as
your
Chief
Financial
Officer,
to
make
sure
you're
going
into
any
decision
with
your
eyes
wide
open
and,
as
councilman
Miranda
said,
I'm
not
trying
to
dissuade
you,
but
there
is,
as
we've
said
in
the
past,
a
risk
associated
with
lowering
your
fund
balance
in
in
discussions
with
our
financial
advisors.
F
For
instance,
the
rating
agencies,
for,
for
instance,
will
will
look
at
and
one
of
their
definition
is
a
a
material
decrease
in
fund
balance.
Of
course,
they
don't
tell
you
what
material
is
so,
whether
that's
one
percent
two
percent,
half
percent
I,
don't
know
again
we're
very,
very
strong,
financially
and
we're
very
fortunate.
You
know,
as
you
said,
and
I
I
credit,
this
Administration
this
council
with
continuing
that
conservative
financial
management
philosophy,
so
we've
got
a
very,
very
good
Foundation
to
work
from.
B
You
thank
you
very
much
and
I
know
that
you're,
you're,
careful
and
and
and
I
and
I
appreciate
that
and
you
know,
but
I
I'm.
If
there
needs
to
be
emotion,
made
after
discussion,
you
know
to
allocate
that
five
million
dollar
support
towards
housing.
It's
it's
a
necessity.
If
the
banks
ask
and
if
they
may
or
may
not
ask,
why
did
you
do
this?
We
have
a
housing
situation.
We
have
a
housing
crisis
so
council
member
of
year,
thank.
M
M
Everybody's
work
is
appreciated,
and,
and
and
whatnot
you
know,
and
and
one
of
the
things
I
will
also
urge
caution
on-
is
that
here
you
know
we're
looking
at
paying
for
priorities
by
doing
things
like
looking
at
the
reserves,
we're
doing
more
than
looking
reserves
are
going
to
go
into
the
reserves
quote
unquote
trimming
the
fat
scaling
back
spending
priorities
that
we're
going
to
have
a
second
look
at
Etc.
You
know
that
appears
to
be
a
one-time
thing.
M
That
is,
we
can't
come
back
next
year
and
do
the
same
thing
right.
What
what
I
think
is
perplexing
of
all
this
is
that
we
had
the
administration
offer
a
tax
increased.
It
was
going
to
pay
for
48
million
dollars.
45
million
dollars
of
new
spending
right
Council
rejected
that
I
rejected
that
by
the
way,
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
casting
blame
on
anybody.
M
I
I
oppose
the
the
full
millage
or
anything
near
it,
but
then
the
flip
side
to
that
is,
is
that
without
the
revenue
it
there
are
spending
priorities
that
the
revenue
was
going
to
fund,
and
now
our
challenge
is
looking
at
other
sources.
Spending
cuts
the
pushing
off
other
spending
plans,
the
reserve
Etc
to
pay
for
some
of
those
spending
priorities.
M
We
have
to
be
very
careful
in
doing
that,
balance
that
we
don't
you
know,
take
advantage
of
something
this
year
that
we
may
need
next
year,
the
Year
thereafter,
we
have
to
be
good
fiscal
stewards.
In
that
regard,
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
lower
Reserve
we're
looking
at
pushing
off
projects
Etc,
we
just
have
to
be
mindful
of
what
we're
doing
and
and
whatnot
here
and
I
think
apply
that
level
of
scrutiny.
M
Things
like
that,
your
city,
your
street,
it's
going
to
be
repaved
or
potholes
Etc
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
those
core
critical
services
in
the
city
of
Tampa
continue
to
be
well
funded,
and
that's
certainly
something
that's
important.
You
know,
I
I
talk
a
lot
about
Public
Safety,
because
I
think
that's
issue
number
one
for
the
City
of
Tampa
for
any
local
government
right
I
think
that's
some
something
that's
very
very
important.
M
I've
talked
about
for
years
and
I'm
glad
to
see
it
funded
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
public
safety
master
plan
here
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
M
I
talked
about
a
revenue
source
that
would
be
dedicated
to
the
best
that
we
can
dedicate
it
to
Public.
Safety
I
do
believe
that
long
term.
We
need
to
look
at
a
real,
solid
funding
source
for
Public
Safety
and
for
our
long-term
needs.
Whatever
it
may
be,
impact
fees
are
great.
I
I,
councilman
Miranda
brought
that
up
councilwoman
her
tax
done
a
great
job
of
pushing
that
before
Etc
I.
M
Think
that's
wonderful,
but
that's
a
small
part
of
the
puzzle
in,
in
my
opinion,
in
terms
of
responding
to
the
needs
of
Public
Safety
we've
had
discussions
on
how
to
fund
our
fire
stations.
I've
been
working
on
both
fire
station
24
and
then
fire
station
25
that
helped
out
the
Sulfur
Springs
in
North
Tampa
area.
For
about
two
two
and
a
half
years
right,
I
have
a
motion.
That's
going
to
come
before
us
in
December
I'm,
actually
going
to
motion
for
it
to
be
sped
up
and
get
it
to
us
in
October.
M
So,
given
this
budget
discussion
to
talk
about
government
bonds
to
pay
for
our
fire
station
needs,
I
was
of
the
the
strongest
opinion
that
this
budget
should
have
addressed
fire
stations.
Here
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
like
I,
said
the
Hillsborough
County
public
safety
master
plan
found
a
need
for
28
fire
stations
in
Hillsborough,
County
and
I
thought
that
we
should
make
some
progress
on
in
that
regard.
I'm
very
glad
to
see
that
this
budget
funds
designed
for
station
24
that's
had
some
changes
and
again
not
to
read
the
history
of
24.
M
But
we
started
off
with
24
in
New.
Tampa
then
chose
to
focus
on
25
to
help
out
13
in
North
Tampa
then
went
back
to
24
being
on
Fowler
as
opposed
to
New
Tampa.
So
a
lot
of
different
changes
there
and
I'm
very
happy
in
that
regard.
I
think
that
we
have
to
talk
about
Revenue
sources,
but
be
careful
where
we
get
those
from
for
the
record.
M
I
strongly
strongly
strongly
oppose
moving
funds
from
Tampa
Police
Department
to
Tampa
Fire
Rescue
or
from
Tampa
Police
Department
to
anywhere
I,
strongly
oppose
that
when
I
say
that
I
support
our
First
Responders
I
mean
all
of
our
First
Responders.
Just
like
we
shouldn't
take
money
out
of
the
Navy
to
help
fund
the
Air
Force.
So
too,
we
shouldn't
do
that,
and
I
would
think
that
our
First
Responders
support
that
idea.
We
can
look
at
government
bonds.
M
B
M
M
You
know
with
this
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
here
in
this
year's
budget
for
fire
station
24
and
then
the
bonds
which
will
come
back
to
us
in
December
I'm,
going
to
motion
to
speed
that
up
to
come
back
to
us
in
October,
with
a
budget
thereafter,
three
months
with
a
plan
thereafter
plan
of
action
thereafter,
three
months
later
for
fire
station
24.
that
takes
care
of
everything
that
we
can
at
this
point
for
24..
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,.
N
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon.
Everyone,
hello
well,
first
of
all,
first
of
all,
I
say
Mr
Herrero
and
the
team,
the
staff
members
who
worked
on
this.
You
know
before
you
came
with
a
five-year
sustainable
plan,
and
you
know
that
looked
at
closing
the
gap
for
all
of
our
deferred
maintenance
and
the
exponential
growth
that
we
were
having
in
our
city
down
to
a
one-year
plan.
N
That's
exactly
you
know
what
this
is
with
hopes
of
some
new
and
reoccurring
revenue
for
the
future,
but
regardless
it
is
apparent
that
you've
worked
together
to
make
the
best
of
it
with
staff,
and
you
did
listen
to
us
and
I
do
appreciate
a
focus
on
our
employees.
As
I
said
last
week
you
know
the
997
non-union
employees,
you
definitely
kept
them
in
mind
and
I
appreciated
that
it
looks
to
me
as
though
everyone
is
taking
a
hit,
so
that
you
know
no
one
would
be,
would
go
unscathed
or
left
out.
N
So
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
to
take
up.
You
know
my
five
minutes
with
you.
First
of
all,
in
terms
of
our
fund
balance
in
in
bond
ratings,
do
they
typically
interview
you
interview
for
Bond
ratings
to
ask
for
justifications
if
your
balances
are
decreased?
Do
you
have
any
history
of
that
happening
anywhere
where
it's
reduced
a
little
bit,
but
yet
it
stays
at
the
20
or
above
and
they
lose
a
bond
rating
or
credit
rating
score
to.
F
My
knowledge
we
have
not
had
that
happen
if
I
don't
know.
If
the
budget
officer
recalls
in
the
15
years,
I've
been
here,
we
have,
we
have
access
to
fund
balance
for,
for
whatever
reason
and
and
to
my
knowledge,
I,
don't
believe.
We've
had
our
ratings
downgrade
associated
with
that,
but
they
they
do.
They
do
the
surveillance
they
do.
The
due
diligence
and
they
interview
US
extensively
prior
to
issuing
okay.
N
Good
to
know
that
taking
a
look
at
did
you
consider
increasing
fees
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
Parks
and
Rec,
but
any
of
our
other
fees.
Have
you
considered
that
and
included
them
in
this
Revenue
I
didn't
see
that
initially,
which
one?
If
so,
what
was
it?
We.
F
Have
not
now
what
we
what
we've
got
on
our
list?
You
know
with
council's
concurrences
to
address
that
that
issue
in
during
fiscal
year,
24
for
inclusion
in
fiscal
year
25.
there
are,
you
know,
and
forgive
me
if
I've
already
said
this
before,
but
we
have
some
revenues,
especially
in
the
general
fund
that
are
not
automatically
indexed
to
an
increase,
whether
it's
you
know,
inflation,
etc,
etc.
F
N
F
We
and
I
don't
want
to
take
up
your
time
man,
but
if,
if
we
find
that
we
can
make
Speedy
enough
progress
in
fiscal
year
24
and
the
timetable
is
such
that
we
can
Implement.
Those
increases
should
Council
approve
sooner
rather
than
later
than
perhaps
we
could
come
to
council
with
an
amendment
during
fiscal
year
25.,
but
right
now
I
mean
fiscal
year
24,
but
right
now
our
sites
are
on
fiscal
year.
25.
N
The
you
said
that
the
budget
is
balanced
by
November,
so
there's
a
possibility
that
we
could
have
some
funds
left
over
from
this
fiscal
year.
There.
F
Is
we
close?
We
close
the
books,
you
know
literally
as
soon
as
the
fiscal
year
ends,
but
we're
a
big
organization
and
it
takes
a
great
deal
of
well
what
I
consider
a
great
deal
of
time.
So,
when
November
we'll
know
exactly
what
happened
in
this
year
and
we
have
had,
we
have
had
opportunities
in
the
in
in
previous
years,
where
there
is
more
funding
than
we
anticipated
right
and
we
bring
that
to
City.
N
Okay,
because
you
did
say
that
in
a
previous
budget
presentation
that
we
spent
about
98
of
our
budget,
so
that
two
percent
could
go
toward
housing,
possibly
even
the
828
thousand
dollars
that
you
have
here
left
over.
That's
not
earmarked
for
anything
could
either
go
toward
housing
or
go
back
into
our
our
savings
fund.
That's
like
now.
F
We
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
again
just
to
clarify.
We
do
make
projections,
of
course,
as
to
what
we're
what
state
will
end
at
this
fiscal
year,
but
of
course
it's
it's
all
I
can
guarantee.
You
is
that
it
will
be
wrong.
You
know
our
success
for
us
is
that
we're
just
a
little
bit
wrong.
Okay,.
N
To
save
our
employees
and
their
salaries
about
social
action
funding,
so
you
decided
as
a
group
organization
staff
when
you
all
went
to
the
table,
you
decided
to
reduce
some
existing
funding
and
anything
that
was
new.
That
was
asked
for
you
just
took
it
off
the
table
altogether.
So
why
can't
it
be
the
opposite
in
terms
of
that,
the
existing
funds
are
just
reduced
by
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
they've
been
getting
money
for
years
years
and
not
considering
the
new
funds
that
were
requested.
O
N
The
agreements
the
interesting
part
is,
is
that
remember
last
week
when
you
presented
it
was
down
to
about
it,
used
to
be
six
million
dollars,
it's
down
to
4.8
million
dollars,
but
so
the
Agreements
are
those
contractual
agreements
for
these
people
that
you
say
we
have
agreements
with.
F
F
Ahead:
yes,
because
it's
it's
not
just
what
I
would
say
straight
up
Charity
it
is,
we
are
giving
you
this
funding
and
you
have
a
certain
number
of
services
and
metrics
to
meet
for
us
to
continue
giving
this
funding
and
those
services
are
metrics
and
metrics
are.
N
N
Okay,
so
that
those
are
some
things,
I'll
make
some
notes
to
Circle
back
and
ask
you
for
those
in
the
future.
So
we
should
continue
to
look
for
every
dollar
I
think
we
made
a
motion
for
you
to
come
back
every
month
anyway,
to
talk
about
money,
so
I
would
say
great
job.
I
really
appreciate
you
answering
my
questions
and
I
refer
to
the
tier.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilmember.
B
P
F
Yourself,
no
yeah,
no
I'm
happy.
We
have
reserves
for
any
number
of
reasons.
The
worst
case
scenario,
of
course,
is
you
know
a
category
five
hurricane
hits
the
city
of
Tampa
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example.
We
have
11
million
dollars
inbound
from
FEMA
for
Hurricane
Ian.
We
don't
have
that
yet.
Okay
and.
F
Stones
at
the
federal
government,
the
reimbursement
process
takes
a
long
time.
We
have
to
have
money
if
for
no
other
reason
than
to
float
the
necessary
expenses
in
the
event
of
a
disaster
and
reimbursement.
Very
rarely
is
a
hundred
percent
anyway.
So
we
need
a
component.
We
need
a
fund
balance,
a
strong
fund
balance
to
show
the
market
to
show
investors.
F
Pardon
me
as
we
as
we
enter
into
debt,
really
to
show
any
audience
that
is
looking
at
Financial
metrics,
that
we
are
a
very
stable
and
that's
how
I
would
describe
us
a
very
stable
locality
from
a
financial
perspective.
Not
only
are
we
are
we
able
to
meet
our
bills,
but
we
have
that
strong
fund
balance.
You
know,
what's
that
they
say
in
Emergency
Management
things
that
have
that
have
never
happened
before
happen
all
the
time
and-
and
those
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
prepared
for.
Okay,.
P
Thank
you
and
I
think
an
assortment
of
other
reasons
as
well.
When
it
comes
to
reserves,
I
believe
you
showed
us
a
slide
last
week,
we're
not
even
close
to
like
historic
percentage
levels
of
where
we've
been
in
the
past
as
far
as
reserves,
we've
been
much
higher
in
the
past,
yes
than
we
are
today,
so
it's
not
like.
P
We
have
a
lot
more
money
than
we've
ever
had
so
I
just
want
to
make
because
I,
you
know
what
I
think
what
we
it's
kind
of
like
being
a
kid
in
college,
and
you
see
and
you
see
you've
got
you've.
You
know
you
have
you
get
a
bunch
of
money
in
your
account
one
day
and
you
go
out
and
spend
it
all
in
one
day
you
know
it's
it's.
We
have
to
be
very
judicious
of
how
we
see
this.
P
This
isn't
isn't
a
private
Kitty
for
us
to
be
deep
in
and
dipping
into
in
any
one
fiscal
year
and
I.
Believe
councilman
was
a
beer
man.
Somebody
over
that
end
of
the
day.
It
is
said.
You
know
this
is
a
one-time
thing
right.
You
know
if
we,
if
this
money,
so
this
is
this-
is
my
fear
and
some
of
these
things
that
were
still
in
this
budget.
P
we're
going
to
be
right
back
here
in
the
same
place
and
possibly
in
a
worst
case
scenario,
12
months
from
now,
because,
especially
with
these
one-time
things
that
this
doesn't
solve,
this
isn't
a
this
isn't
a
long-term
solution.
This
is
a
Band-Aid
in
some
ways,
a
tourniquet
on
a
bleeding
artery
for
some
of
these
programs,
and
it
doesn't
provide
real
long-term
Solutions,
as
councilwoman
Henderson
said.
P
As
far
as
short-term
versus
long-term
plans,
a
couple
of
concerns
that
I
have-
and
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
will
of
this
Council
will
be,
but
I've
got
to
State
it
for
the
record
debt
Services
I,
fully
support
debt
services
for
infrastructure
that
has
for
generational
financing,
as
we've
talked
in
the
past,
if
you're
going
to
build
a
new
fire
station,
the
folks
that
live
in
the
city
over
the
period
of
time
that
fire
station
is
in
use
is
used
should
pay
their
fair
share.
P
So
you
shouldn't
burden
the
existing
citizens,
knowing
that
a
bunch
of
people
are
coming
to
the
city
over
the
next
X
number
of
years,
and
those
new
residents
can
come
in
and
help
pay
for
that.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
good
way
of
of
financing
and
spreading
the
cost
of
that
Services
across
new
residents
and
and
different
Generations
I
have
a
difficult
time
with
debt
services
for
one
time.
One
time
grab-and-go's
like
the
remodel
I,
think
that
should
be
as
a
pay
as
you
go.
P
If
we're
going
to
remodel
that
should
be
pay
as
you
go,
that
should
be
paid
for
out
of
every
fiscal
Year's
budget.
Any
of
any
of
these
topics,
if
it's
a
one-time,
hit
that
we're
going
to
burden
future
generations
for
a
one-time
hit
for
this
year
in
fiscal
year
24..
Why
should
people
that
live
here
10
years
from
now
pay
for
something?
That's
something
for
this
one
fiscal
year
it
shouldn't
be
amateurized
over
the
cost
of
multiple
years.
If
we
can
afford
it,
we
should
pay
for
it
out
of
this
budget.
P
If
we
can't
afford
it,
then
we
can't
afford
it.
It's
like
calling
your
credit
card
company
and
ask
them
to
up
your
credit
card
rate
or
your
your
available
balance
so
that
you
can
spend
more
this
year.
I
mean
that's,
and
that's
I
see
that
that
is
in
a
lot
of
this
discussion.
That's
what
it
looks
to
me.
P
I'm
glad
you
actually
specified
that
the
seven
man
for
transportation
was
specifically
for
roads,
because
I
think
that
would
have
asked
for
a
council
stipulation
on
that.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
that
should
be
just
going
in
for
repaving
our
roads
and
thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
that.
P
I
have
a
question
about
the
10
reduction
for
city-owned
assets
for
people
that
don't
know
you
know
the
city
owns
the
aquarium.
The
city
owns
a
lot
of
these
facilities.
There
are
buildings
we
have
to
maintain.
Is
that
10
cut
from
fiscal
year,
23
money.
F
P
Prospected,
okay,
very
good!
So
it
wasn't
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
an
actual
reduction.
It
was
just
a
cut
in
increase
yeah
reduction
to
the
proposed
budget.
P
K
K
A
K
K
I
want
to
thank
council
member
Maniscalco
for
his
push
to
use
the
general
fund
balance
for
housing.
One
percent
I
have
a
quick
question
about
the
cost
of
those
30
fire
fighter.
Paramedic
positions.
What
is
the
cost
for
one
year
of
30,
paramedic,
firefighters,.
K
Per
that's,
that's
kind
of
what
I
thought
and
so
I
have
a
quick
question:
I,
don't
know
if
our
if
Mr
Saco
is
here,
quick
question
for
you,
I
asked
Mr
stocco
and
he
is
the
president
of
the
fire
Union
when
I
heard
that
we
weren't
getting
those
officer
or
the
firefighter
paramedics
that
we
possibly
not
might
not
get
the
Grant
and
by
the
way
we
have
not
heard
yet
we
don't
have
anything
in
writing,
but
I
asked
you
to
ask
around
to
see
why
or
actually
you
did
it
on
your
own.
K
We
were
talking
about
it
and
you
called
me
back
and
said
yeah.
These
are
some
of
the
things
that
people
have
said.
The
thing
that
surprised
me,
the
most
is
that
you
said
when
you
talked
to
some
people
in
the
national
office.
One
of
the
reasons
that
we
may
not
have
been
the
recipients
of
the
grant
is
because
we
have
too
much
in
reserves.
R
Tampa
firefighters,
Local
754,
it
was
one
of
the
concerns
from
our
International
associate
leaders
that,
by
way
of
Grants,
they
would
prioritize
which
employers
or
jurisdictions
would
receive
funding
and
that
the
city
of
Tampa
could
potentially
not
be
at
the
top
of
the
list.
Because
of
our
Reserve
balance
and-
and
that
was
just
what
was
explained
to
me
by
the
international
I.
K
Just
thought
that
was
interesting
and
again
not
coming
from
you
personally,
but
just
something
you
heard
and
I
thought
that
the
public
deserved
to
hear
that
too.
So
I
think
this
might
help
balance
out
in
the
future,
because
that's
nine
million
dollars
over
three
years
and
we're
looking
at
taking
simply
5
million
out
for
one
year
and
I
I.
Don't
like
the
balance
of
that
now,
whether
or
not
again
I
don't
want
to
say
that
that's
100
of
a
reason,
but
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
K
There
are
a
lot
of
other
communities
that
don't
have
the
that
don't
have
the
Reserves.
We
do
and
therefore
could
be
put
higher.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
so
much
as
far
as
Debt
Service
for
station
24.
K
Oh
I
had
a
question:
I
I
I'm
glad
you
said
the
difference
between
with
Public
Safety.
You
mentioned
police
vehicles
and
budget
for
CIT,
and
you
actually
meant
police
and
fire.
K
Okay
and
so
then
I
have
a
question
for
cheap
trip.
K
Thank
you
so
much.
If
you
have
this
eight
million
dollars
for
the
CIT
money,
would
you
rather
spend
it
on
new
vehicles
or
on
station
24.
U
K
A
station
okay,
so
this
is
what
I'm
interested
in
and
and
again
I
know.
People
have
asked
not
first
to
not
say
specifics,
but
from
my
understanding
we
have
land,
we
have
a
survey
of
that
land
and
we
have
an
old
fire
stations
design
that
we're
going
to
reuse,
so
it
just
needs
some
tweaks
to
fit
in
the
current
site.
Am
I
am
I
on
the
correct
path
of
what
what
the
goal
is
for
station
24.
K
K
V
Thank
you,
councilwoman
Gene,
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure.
Mobility,
our
contract
administration
department
is
a
support
team
to
any
construction
at
our
other
departments
such
as
fire
or
police,
would
do
I.
Don't
have
the
particulars
on
this
particular
site.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
can't
just
tweak
an
existing
design.
V
I
can
just
give
you
a
educated
estimate
that
we
would
need
at
least
a
year
for
the
design.
We've
got
a
procure
consultant
which
takes
about
six
months.
We've
got
to
do
a
refresh.
The
site
analysis
do
the
design
which
requires
public
engagement
and
then
there's
permitting
coordination
as
well,
Swift,
Mud
and
other
other
agencies.
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
some
realism
regarding
the
assumptions
about
when
the
ground
could
be
broken
for
station
24..
K
And
I
greatly
appreciate
that,
but
the
East
Tampa
Rec
complex
was
a
priority
of
council
to
be
rushed
through
and
a
priority
of
the
administrations,
and
we
were
able
to
get
that
done
for
a
much
larger
site
with
much
more
many
more
different
things.
I
I
believe
that
if
I
believe
this
Council
has
said
that
station
24
is
a
priority
and
I
would
say
that
anything
we
can
do
to
get
a
shovel
in
the
ground
before
the
end
of
fy24
is
something
that
has
to
happen.
V
K
Appreciate
that,
because
I
thought
you've
heard
from
Council
and
from
the
union
and
from
the
chief
that
this
is
the
priority
for
this
year
and
I
had
one
more
question
about
the
pal
positions
and
I
think
it's
actually
for
Mr
rohero.
Really,
because
my
understanding
is
that
some
of
that's
moving
from
Parks
and
Rec,
but
not
all
of
it.
And
if
you
could
explain
to
us.
I
know
that
when
Chief
burkhaw
came
up,
he
talked
about
allowing
the
citizen
or
allowing
the
employees
who
want
to
go
to.
K
Yeah
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
finish
this
question
that
that
we
are
that
they're
allowed
to
be
moving
over.
So
how
much
of
that
money
in
because
this
says
continuing
service
costs
and
pal
positions
retained,
is
that
moving
from
Parks
and
Rec
like
like?
We
think
it
is
that.
K
When,
when
you
came
in
and
explained
that
that
the
police
department
wanted
to
take
over
how
you
said
that
the
people
who
are
working
in
pal
under
Parks
and
Rec
were
going
to
be
able
to
move
over
and
the
money
that
was
being
used
for
those
services
for
the
programming
was
also
going
to
be
moving
over.
O
I'm
not
sure
I'm,
quite
following
you,
but
there
are
new
positions
and
those
in
the
current
positions
with
Parks
and
Rec
at
pound
now
could
choose
to
apply
for
those
positions
if
they're
in
good
standing,
as
opposed
to
being
reallocated
somewhere
else
in
parks
and
rec.
If
that's,
where
you're
going
with.
K
X
Yes,
cancel
CNN
administrative
neighborhood
and
Community
Affairs,
so
the
current
Parks
and
Recreation
employees
who
are
at
pal
those
employees
were
taken
from
other
areas
within
parks
and
we
were
setting,
so
those
employees
will
go
back
to
those
areas.
Okay.
What
Chief
burkhaw
is
mentioning
is
that
once
those
once
these
positions
are
solidified
if
they
want
to
apply
for
the
new
positions
to
stay
within
pal,
they
have
that
opportunity
to
do
that,
but
those
employees
will
go
back
to
where
they
to
where
they
came.
K
X
D
Yes,
I
want
to
first
of
all
thank
thank
staff
again
and
the
mayor
for
going
through
this
process
and
looking
at
it.
Thank
you.
It's
been
a
difficult
process
and
I
think
it's
better
if
we're
better
off
for
the
community
and
having
done
all
this
remember
two
weeks
ago,
the
administration
talked
about,
or
even
beyond
that
they
talked
about
four
things
or
I
call
them
five
things:
police,
fire,
affordable
housing
parks
and
Roads
and
and
and
the
way
I
described.
D
It
is
that
if
you
put
a
bucket
of
water
in
a
lake
and
you
pull
out
a
bucket,
it's
not
the
same
bucket
and
so
I
think
the
the
direction
we
gave
last
week
was.
We
don't
want
to
touch
those
five
things
I
understand
from
a
messaging
point
of
view
or
political
point
of
view,
how
it's
it's
handy,
to
be
able
to
focus
on
those
five
things,
but
none
of
us
wants
to
cut
them
and
those
are
by
looking
at
the
budget.
Obviously
those
were
not
the
things
that
were
funded
by
the
increase.
D
The
increase
was
funding,
salaries
and
and
and
then
there
are
other
expenditures
that
have
come
through.
So
it's
it's
just
that
we
we
need
to
have
more
discussions
on
this
when
I
met
with
the
mayor
last
week,
I
asked
that
we
city
council
be
more
involved
in
the
process
going
forward,
and
maybe
we
start
right
away
next
next
week
or
whenever
we're
done
with
this
to
to
start
on
the
next
budget
process.
D
Somebody
compared
to
the
county
and
I
talked
to
a
couple:
accounting
Commissioners
and
their
administrator,
Bonnie
white
says
Senate
meets
with
each
of
the
County
Commissioners
and
they
build
the
budget
together.
We
only
found
out
about
a
month
ago
what
the
proposal
was,
so
it
would
help
if
we
had
a
collaborative
process
going
forward.
I
think
there's
a
philosophical
difference
of
saving
versus
spending.
I
pointed
out
many
things
that
I
thought
shouldn't
have
been
spent
on.
D
D
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
budget
problem
at
all
if,
if
we
have
a
budget
problem
going
forward,
if
it's
caused
by
salaries,
that
means
that
somebody
should
have
briefed
us
a
year
ago
that
those
salary
increases
were
going
to
cause
us
to
need
more
Revenue,
because
we
wouldn't
have
made
the
decision.
Then
we
made
it
based
on
the
trust
or
faith
in
staff
that
we
had
the
revenues
to
cover
it.
D
So
if
we
don't,
we
need
to
have
another
discussion
about
that,
but
we
need
to
tighten
our
belt
because
that's
what
our
our
citizens
are
doing
right
now.
Anybody
below
200
000
feels
like
or
a
lot
of
people
below,
200
000
feel
like
we're
in
a
recession,
and
we
may
be
in
a
recession.
So
we
need
to
start
spending
wisely,
just
like
our
our
taxpayers.
D
Do
some
folks
talked
about
bonding
and
debt
I'm
against
any
more
debt
until
we
get
maybe
at
all,
but
until
we
get
full
transparency
on
all
of
it
and
we
need
an
ordinance
that
requires
staff
to
come
before
us
and
tell
us
what
the
bond
capacity
is
and
then
we
need
to
work
interactively
with
the
mayor
to
figure
out
how
that
money
should
be
spent.
No,
we
should
not,
at
the
last
minute
start
bonding
anything.
What
we're
doing
is
putting
a
burden
on
folks
in
the
future.
D
Also
I've
been
a
major
advocate
for
including
the
reserve
increasing
the
reserves.
Last
Administration
was
incredibly
Reckless
fiscally
and
spending
too
much
of
the
reserves
down
that
Pam
Morrow
had
spent
had
saved
and
we
need
to
protect
them,
and
so-
and
that
is
a
segue
into
the
first
page
here,
where
it
says
general
fund
balance
for
housing.
That's
another
one
of
those
political
things
about
just
like
the
five.
D
You
know
the
the
claim
that
the
new
taxes
are
paying
for
the
five
things
when
they
weren't
that
this,
if
you
pour
just
like,
if
you
pour
a
bucket
of
water
in
a
lake
and
you
pull
it
out,
it's
not
the
same
thing
connecting
the
general
fund.
Balance
with
housing
is
a
political
Ploy,
it's
not
accurate,
so
we
need
to
separate
those.
It's
not
accurate.
All
we
should
not.
D
This
is
not
a
choice
between
housing,
which
is
essential
and
whether
we
tap
into
the
into
the
general
fund
balance
I've
been
the
primary
advocate
for
putting
money
in
the
general
fund
balance
I've
talked
to
people
who
are
Bond
experts,
I,
think
taking
out.
One
percent
is
going
to
have
zero
impact
on
our
bond
capacity.
D
We
need
20
because
we
need
to
keep
the
AAA
Bond
rating
and
if
we
only
have
two
or
three
percent
above
that,
that's
our
rainy
day
fund,
and
we
absolutely
need
that
because
we
had
a
crisis
a
couple
years
ago
with
covid.
We
have
no
idea
what's
coming
up
and
we
need
to
protect
that
fund
balance,
but
taking
out
5
million
is
not
going
to
hurt
us,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
for
housing.
It's
going
to
go
into
the
pot
it
should
we.
D
We
need
to
separate
that
if
anybody
says
general
fund
balance
versus
housing
I'm
going
to
vote
against
it,
because
I
object
to
the
political
Ploy
of
connecting
those
two
together,
I
think
it's
dishonest
for
the
public.
Let
me
ask
you
a
question
on
the
parking
revenues
we
had
sorry
Paving.
There
were
four
4.1
million,
4.1
million
was
in
the
budget
and
now
we're
adding
in
seven
from
the
parking
app
does
that
mean
we
have
11
or
we
just
have
seven,
no.
F
11.
this
is
a
this
is
now
that
that's
a
good
question
for
clarification.
All
of
the
numbers
we're
talking
about
tonight
again
just
to
clarify,
are
increases.
Sir.
D
Okay,
so
we
have
11.
it's
4.1,
yeah
I
mean
the
concern.
Is
that
the
the
reason
why
the
roads
are
not
repaired
is
because
the
last
two
administrations
counted
all
for
transportation
coming
through,
so
they
left
the
road
repair
budget
4.1.
Even
though
the
the
overall
budget
more
than
doubled,
we
should
have
increased
it
over
years
and
we
shouldn't
tie
it
just
to
gas
tax.
We
need
to
use
other
funding
sources
for
it.
D
It's
not
acceptable
the
way
our
roads
are
we're
losing
a
lot
of
the
people
that
moved
here
during
copen
are
leaving
because
they
don't
like
the
status
of
these
things
and
it's
not
because
we
reduced
the
the
the
millage
increases,
because
money
was
spent
on
other
things
like
Hannah
Avenue
that
should
have
been
spent
on
roads.
D
We
talked
about
the
fund
for
18
firefighters,
so
that's
about
1.8
million.
If
the
grant
does
come
through
because
it
hasn't
been
officially
rejected
yet
the,
but
if
the
grant
does
not
come
through,
can
we
go
ahead
and
allocate
the
1.8
million
as
a
backup?
I
would
like
to
document
that
tonight.
If
the
grant
comes
through
we're
going
to
decide
tonight
what
the
1.8
goes
for,
with
cheap
Tripp
and
Mr
stocko
am
I
correct.
In
saying
we
can
reallocate
that
you.
F
D
There's
there's
some
language
in
the
ordinance
that
we
need
to
adapt
to
I.
Don't
want
to
take
a
lot
more
time.
You've
mentioned
CIT.
Several
times
was
CIT
not
anticipated
in
the
original
budget.
It
was,
it
was
so
these
increases
in
CRT
or
you're
just
moving
crit
money
around.
F
The
C,
the
the
community
investment
tax,
has
remained
static.
Through
this
process,
we
were
going
to
augment
the
vehicle
replacement
with
with
general
fund.
Now
it's
just
going
to
be
solely
Community
investment
tax.
D
I
just
want
to
say
many
people
gave
us
input
from
the
community,
but
on
the
the
seven
million
dollars
for
the
for
the
parking
app
that
idea,
it
was
a
combination
of
at
least
two
people,
Michael
Bishop
and
70
pointer
I
just
want
to
thank
them
for
their
hard
work
and
looking
through
all
that
there
were
a
lot
of
great
ideas
from
the
community,
and
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
that
we
found
and
maybe
other
people
found
it
as
well.
B
P
D
The
two
biggest
please
send
me
emails,
I
would
love
it.
The
two
biggest
baseball
fields
in
South
Tampa
are
completely
falling
apart.
They're
dangerous
for
kids
I
would
rather
reallocate
that
money.
It's
it's
a
shame
that
kids
have
to
go
in
existing.
If
existing
facilities
are
falling
apart,
we
can't
do
it
also
I
think
we
need
to
continue
to
re-look
at
the
lobbyists.
We
need
to
look
at
the
staff
that
are
not
helping
city
council.
We
need
to
look
at
the
river
green,
the
EDC
and
and
then
eventually
we'll
talk
about
the.
D
Much
one
last
thing
is
I
want
to.
I
would
like
to
change
the
title
of
the
EDC.
If
we're
going
to
leave
the
money
in
to
Economic
Development,
because
their
contract
is
still
coming
up
and
it's
political
suicide
for
us
to
leave
that
money
in
the
EDC.
We
will
end
up
with
the
same
terrible
economic
numbers
that
we
continue
to
Outsource.
B
That
thank
you
very
much
before
we
go
to
a
public
comment.
Yes,
sir
I'm.
F
Sorry
Mr
chair,
if
I,
could
clarify
and
answer
a
few
questions
that
were
asked.
Thank
you
again,
and
perhaps
this
is
clear,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
it.
So
you
know
we
talked
about
fire
station
24.
that
20
million
dollars
in
potential
debt
funding
is
separate
and
apart
from
the
1.5
million
dollars,
that's
already
in
there
for
design
for
fire
station
24..
F
Just
so
everybody's
clear
on
that
I
appreciate
the
sensitivity
to
the
fund
balance
and
its
use
for
a
one-time
expense
and
it
and
it
again
if
if,
if
that,
5
million
was
obligated
for
a
recurring
expense,
that's
even
more
of
a
risk
in
the
eyes
of
the
market
and
the
credit
rating
agencies,
councilman,
Carlson
and
I.
Think
a
few
other
council
members
also
had
asked
about
our
debt
capacity.
I
have
that
for
the
for
the
general
government
fund,
it's
approximately
1.3
billion
dollars.
F
That
is
how
much
we
that's
not
how
much
we
have
issued
in
debt
service,
but
that's
how
much
we
can
issue
in
debt
service
right
now
in
general
government
we've
issued
about
550
million
dollars,
so
our
our
legal
capacity
is
1.3
billion
dollars
and
we
worked
with
our
financial
advisors
to
arrive
at
that
figure.
So.
F
An
IOU
from
that
I
well
that
I
owed.
B
That
you're
welcome
Mr
O'hare
before
I
go
to
public
comment.
It
was
mentioned
about
the
1.8
million
for
the
firefighters
to
get
those
18
positions.
Yes,
but
if
we
do
get
the
grant,
then
it
would
come
back
to
us
to
have
that
1.8
million
to
be
reallocated,
for
example,
if
we
want
to
put
that
towards
station
24
and
utilize
that
it
would
be
cancels.
B
Okay,
we
have
one
registered
public
comment.
Speaker
Michael
Randolph
is
Michael
Randolph
on
Mr
Randolph
you're
here
to
speak
about
the
budget.
Go
ahead,
sir.
You
have
three
minutes.
Please
say
your
name.
Thank.
Z
You
so
much
my
name
is
Michael
Randolph
and
I
went
to
West
Tampa
Community
Development
Corporation,
the
one
thing
we
do
know
in
the
night
and
then
next
we
do
a
different
streams
of
income
to
come
in
supplement.
What's
going
on
we're
in
real
trouble
tonight,
I
want
to
talk
about
suggesting
approaches
to
Inquisition
revenues
to
deal
with
the
critical
issue,
starting
with
the
CRA
and
Lindsey
benefit
their
Partnerships.
With
these
things,
the
title
of
this
is
reduce
gentrification
by
Design
and
intention,
starting
with
the
bikes.
Z
Z
That
means
that,
prior
to
1936,
that
was
a
Scrabble
black
African-American
convention.
We
believe
that,
in
order
to
fix
this,
Banks
need
to
increase
the
funding
to
both
communities
in
East,
Tampa
and
West
Tampa.
That
doesn't
mean
I.
Think
in
these
parents.
Under
these
Champions
doing
a
lot
of
things,
give
them
five
things
a
dollar
we
talked
about
getting
at
least
50
million
dollars.
To
start
to
have
a
conversation,
they
also
can
increase.
Z
What's
known
as
open
related
investment
loans,
these
loans
are
anywhere
from
zero
to
low
to
belong
to
very
low
interest,
as
you
can
provide
us
to
see
these
things
to
help
in
terms
of
wealth
building
that
needs
to
resident
own
businesses
in
affordable
housing.
These
is
a
lot
of
dollars
that
it
can
come
to
this
type
of
funding
and
then,
finally,
what
we
call
Peace
East
Hampton
was
famous
for
this.
There
was
people
that
had
four
friends
or
no
credit.
Z
I'm
sorry,
what
did
there
was
a
provide?
What
about
loans,
to
manage
businesses
and
specifically
designed
both
students
that
include
first
basic
advisors,
Operational
Support
both
tackle
two
and
get
this
extended
access
to
suppliers
and
open
for
payment
opportunity?
This
changes,
the
whole
narrative
and
I
have
had
a
CER
earns
that
developers
are
in
has
to
be
a
test
to
decide
whether
or
not
in
Western
East
Tampa
a
test
whether
or
not
that
execution
gentrification.
Z
AA
AA
AA
This
city,
council
and
this
mayor
is
like
professional
wrestling.
It's
all
staged
three
four
weeks
ago,
y'all
was
so
hot
y'all
was
so
this
y'all
was
so
disgusting.
We
ain't
gonna,
do
this,
we
ain't
gonna,
do
that
and
they
made
some
adjustments,
not
everybody,
peaceful
and
dociled,
and
they
happy
they
do
this
and
they're
going
to
do
some
at
Jackson
house
and
they're
over
on
34th
Street.
They
showing
the
new
fire
training
station,
put
the
brakes
on
the
budget.
AA
AA
The
police
don't
need
nothing.
The
fire
department
don't
need
nothing.
Jackson
house,
don't
need
nothing.
34Th,
Street
Park,
don't
need
nothing:
60
million
dollars
for
Park
and
Recreation
for
some
elderly
black
women,
while
all
the
elderly
black
men
are
sitting
at
McDonald's
hanging
out
because
we
have
no
place
to
go
even
when
we're
in
private
property,
they
run
us
from
around
there,
take
the
60
million
dollars
and
put
it
in
some
housing.
Some
real
housing
for
real
people
take
all
this
fluff
y'all
talking
about
for
the
police
department.
They
need
this.
AA
What
we
need
is
we
need
26
percent
of
this
budget.
We
need
reparations,
there's
no
way.
Corey
bush
is
all
the
way
in
Washington
DC
talking
about
reparations
and
we're
right
here
in
Tampa,
and
we
can't
talk
about
reparations.
We
need
it,
we
don't
want
it,
we
need
it,
it's
ours,
it's
rightfully
deserving
to
our
people
and
what
we
have
experienced
for
623
years
and
400
and
some
years
and
this
soil
right
here.
B
AB
Good
evening
this
is
probably
the
first
time
I've
done
this,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
keep
it
brief
and
make
it
more
about
the
story,
because
everything
has
a
human
cost.
I've
lived
in
Tampa
since
2015.
I'm,
a
single
mother
of
three
I,
came
here
to
be
a
first
responder,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
some
nuggets
for
you
to
think
about
I'm,
not
saying
to
go
in
One,
Direction
or
the
other,
but
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
happen.
I
live
in
income,
restricted
housing
because,
as
a
fire
medic,
we
don't
make
the
money.
AB
You
think
we
make
that's
number
one.
You
can't
raise
a
family
of
three
because
housing
is
hard
here,
but
the
other
reason
that
I
stay
in
Tampa
is
because,
since
2019
my
children
have
been
in
the
Police
Athletic
League,
it's
kept
them
off
the
streets
in
the
evening
right
now,
they're
still
boxing
they're
going
to
be
boxing
until
seven
o'clock
tonight
they've
been
doing
this
consistently
since
2019..
We
need
more
of
that.
They
started
bringing
their
friends
and
taking
their
friends
from
school
off
the
streets
to
go
to
the
boxing
gym.
AB
AB
My
oldest
last
year
made
the
decision
to
go
into
the
cadet
program
that
the
Tampa
Police
Explorers
offer.
This
is
all
because
of
the
interactions
and
the
relationships
that
were
built
by
the
pal
officers.
This
matters,
so
even
though
it's
difficult
to
live
here,
I
wish
I
was
able
to
work
in
this
County
and
I'm
going
to
touch
on
fire
because
I
see
a
lot
of
my
brothers
and
some
former
instructors
here
I
went
to
a
county
nearby.
They
received
a
safer
Grant.
AB
It
pays
what
I
need
to
get
paid
in
order
to
continue
to
afford
to
live
in
this
city,
but
I
love
this
city
and
I
want
you
all
to
focus
on
doing
everything
possible
so
that
our
firefighters
can
get
the
grants
they
need
to
continue
to
serve
and
take
care
of
you,
and
so
that
the
community
can
grow
from
the
inside
and
from
our
children,
which
are
the
most
important.
So
they
can
all
be
motivated
to
bring
their
friends
become
involved
with
the
police
officers.
See
them
as
people
and
be
proactive.
AB
This
is
what
matters
my
daughter's
going
into
her
second
year
at
the
Explorers.
She
just
made
honor
guard
and
just
this
week
as
a
junior
in
high
school,
she
told
me
Mom
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
college,
but
guess
what
I'm
going
to
Police
Academy,
because
that's
what
I
want
to
do
and
I
want
that
to
be
a
dream
for
everybody,
because
we're
all
people
I,
don't
care
what
color
you
all
we
all
bleed
red
and
my
job
is
to
fix
that
and
I
want
to
be
present
in
my
community
to
do
that.
B
AC
Not
only
does
it
keep
them
safe
on
off
the
street
keeps
them
out
of
trouble,
it
keeps
them
out
of
Harm's
Way
and
it
provides
a
future
for
them.
It
provides
a
future
because
these
are
positive
people
in
their
life,
doing
things
for
them.
So
not
only
am
I
an
active
parent
with
pal
I'm,
a
single
mom
too
so
I
get
the
housing
issue
here.
AC
Okay,
never
mind
so
anyways,
but
I'm
here
to
to
advocate
for
pal
to
get
that
2
million
dollar
budget,
and
it's
just
really
really
important.
It
provides
like
I,
said
the
structure,
the
guidance,
the
discipline
and
it
sets
these
kids
up
for
success
in
the
future.
Thank
you
very.
AD
Angela
Birdsong
your
new
elected
president
of
Democratic,
black
caucus
for
Hillsborough,
County
and
I'm
here
to
represent
the
heart
and
the
soul
of
Democratic
party,
which
is
our
black
voters,
which
is
over
a
hundred
thousand
in
Hillsborough
County,
and
it
is
still
the
most
consistent
voting
block
when
it
comes
to
the
Democratic
party.
And
one
thing
we
know
our
voters
really
care
about
is
housing.
AD
They
want
safe,
they
want
affordable,
they
want
consistent
housing.
We
know,
even
if
you
put
a
hundred
million
dollars
towards
housing
right
now,
it'd
probably
be
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
but
if
you
could
at
least
show
the
voters
that
you
are
trying
and
you're
going
to
squeeze
every
drop
every
dollar
that
you
can
towards
housing,
I
think
they're,
going
to
remember
you
on
our
next
election
day
and
today's
national.
AD
Is
voter
registration
day
that
is
correct,
and
let
us
not
forget
that
all
of
our
vote
by
mail
ballots
have
been
canceled,
please
let
all
your
friends
and
relatives
know
that
that
their
vote,
their
vote
by
mail
will
not
be
coming.
So
we
just
want
you
to
know
that
our
voters,
their
number
one
issue-
is
housing.
Anything
you
can
do
for
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
Tampa
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Yes,.
AE
All
righty
how
y'all
doing
my
name
is
Luis
Salazar
I
am
the
President
of
the
Hillsborough
County
lgbtq
Democratic
caucus
I'm
coming
to
you
today
as
a
marginalized
Community.
It
is
also
is
a
minority
asking
you
to
please
please
fund
the
seven
million
dollars
for
the
housing.
You
came
to
us
during
election
cycle
and
you
you
said
there
is
a
housing
crisis.
You
all
admitted
it.
So
please
do
something
about
it.
AE
AE
I
AE
B
AE
Than
that
there
are
people
there,
you
know
this
is
real.
This
is
something
that's
been
on
people's
wish
list
for
a
very
long
time.
We
keep
getting
told
that
something's
going
to
be
done
about
housing,
and
here
we
are
again
with
the
same
questions
with
the
same
battle.
Please
do
something
about
it.
We've
been
told
that
someone's
going
to
do
something
about
it
and
nothing's
been
done.
D
AF
You
know:
we've
been
just
sort
of
monitoring
things
in
the
background.
Our
chair
of
the
economic
development
committee
for
Toba
and
the
people
have
spoken
about
what
the
people
want
and
clearly,
as
you
represent,
what
the
people
want.
You're
trying
to
find
a
way
to
do
that
and
marry
what
the
mayor
is
trying
to
get
done
as
well.
AF
At
the
end
of
the
day,
you're
going
to
make
a
decision
about
these
things,
housing
is
clearly
at
one
of
the
top
top
things
on
the
list,
so
we
hope
that
you
will
recognize
those
things
like
housing
that
are
very
important
to
the
public
to
our
community
and
what
I
wanted
to
just
leave
you
with,
though,
is
that
whatever
decision
you
make,
we've
asked
the
mayor
for
many
years,
not
to
send
anything
to
counsel
that
doesn't
already
have
goals
in
whatever
contracts
come.
AF
Whatever
deals
come
to
city
council
for
approval
for
funding
that
it
incorporates
in
there
a
commitment
for
diversity
and
equity
and
how
money
is
being
spent
by
race
and
gender,
and
that
commitment
should
come
with
a
plan
to
reach
the
goal.
We're
going
to
ask
city
council
to
not
approve
anything.
That's
sent
by
the
administration
doesn't
have
that
in
there.
So
that
way,
it
goes
back
to
count
to
the
mayor's
office
to
have
them
to
make
sure
that's
being
done.
AF
We
have
to
say
on
times
we've
had
issues
to
dress
with
the
mayor
about
how
money
was
being
spent
on,
for
example,
Hannah
Avenue.
However,
we
got
there
that
was
fixed
appropriately,
so
for
all
parties
involved
that
was
done
appropriately.
Any
money
being
spent
has
to
contemplate
the
population,
demographics,
the
Hispanic
and
black
community
represented
roughly
20
49
of
the
population.
You
have
to
think
about
that.
Have
us
in
mind
all
the
time
with
every
decision
you
make
and
not
exclude
anyone
else
about
race
and
gender
either
it's
a
very
good
Community.
AF
We
have
a
lot
of
diversity
here,
but
your
decisions
are
for
all
of
the
citizens
and
you
have
to
make
decisions
for
all
of
the
citizens
so
with
that
I
say
best
wishes
to
you,
but
we're
looking
at
each
one
of
you
making
decisions
for
the
people
who
have
come
before
you
to
speak
about
what
the
people
want,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
AG
Good
evening
my
name
is
Stanley
gray
and
I'm,
representing
both
the
household
located
at
3020
West
Harborview
Avenue,
as
well
as
the
Urban
League
of
Hillsborough
County
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
that
I'd
like
to
be
answered
at
a
later
time.
One
is
is
when
you
all
gave
the
cost
for
additional
Public
Safety
I'm,
assuming
that
that
sum
included
the
income
and
the
benefits.
AG
AG
One
of
our
goals
is
to
provide
housing
for
senior
citizens
on
fixed
income
very
important,
and
the
reason
why
is
the
the
largest
homeless
population
in
this
city
comes
from
people
62
years
old
and
above
in
the
last
last
month,
my
utility
bill
tripled
in
the
last
three
years.
Excuse
me
in
the
last
five
years
my
insurance
has
tripled
again.
The
mission
of
the
Urban
League
is
to
try
to
provide
housing
for
senior
citizens
on
fixed
income.
I'm
asking
you
all
to
look
at
providers
of
this
other
than
the
large
developers.
AG
The
larger
developments
have
more
extreme
costs
than
an
organization
such
as
the
Urban
League
I
would
ask
that
you
seriously
consider
houses
and
property
that
you
have
for
either
Grantham
to
organizations
such
as
the
Urban
League
of
Hillsborough
County,
or
at
least
them
or
lease
them
with
a
purchase
option.
It
does
a
couple
things
it.
It
decreases
your
budget
for
maintenance
and
it
also
increases
your
budget
because
you
will
have
something
coming
in
on
a
regular
basis.
AG
The
last
thing
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
is
not
to
consider
giving
the
non-union
employees
a
two
or
three
percent
increase
straight
across
the
board.
I
would
ask
that
you
adopt
a
control,
Point
Merit
process
I've
been
familiar
with
this
in
Corporate
America
for
years
and
I'm
telling
you
if
you
change
that
three
percent
straight
across
the
board
to
a
three
percent
Merit
Yale.
AG
AH
Good
evening,
chairman
and
council
members,
my
name
is
Laura
Cantwell
and
I'm
here,
representing
AARP
Florida
on
behalf
of
the
nearly
3
million
ARP
members
in
Florida,
over
90
000
members
in
Hillsborough
County,
and
approximately
30
000
in
Tampa
I
urge
you
to
prioritize,
affordable
housing
funding
in
your
budgets
we
hear
over
and
over
that
our
members
and
older
Floridians
want
to
remain
in
their
homes
and
in
their
communities
as
they
age.
But
people
of
all
ages,
including
older
adults,
need
more
affordable
housing
options.
AH
A
short
supply
of
affordable
housing
may
leave
residents
with
fewer
housing
options
in
Tampa
arp's.
Most
recent
National
Home
and
Community
preference
study
found
that
60
percent
of
adults
indicated
that
they
would
consider
living
in
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
62
percent
would
consider
building
one
on
their
property
to
provide
a
place
for
a
loved
one
needing
care
or
a
family
member
or
a
friend
who
needs
a
home.
This
is
just
one
example.
Please.
AH
For
more
housing
options
that
would
allow
older
adults
to
remain
in
their
communities
and,
according
to
the
AARP
statistic,
analysis
of
data
by
the
United
States
Census
Bureau,
more
than
1853
older
adults,
55
plus,
are
expected
to
be
evicted
in
2023
in
Hillsborough
County
and
more
than
1200,
older
adults,
55
plus,
are
expected
to
be
homeless.
In
Hillsborough
County
many
older
residents
across
Florida
are
struggling
with
homelessnesses
for
the
first
time
in
their
lives.
Tampa
has
the
opportunity
to
change
course
and
prioritize
funding
to
ensure
there
are
housing
options
for
all
income
levels.
AH
AI
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Nathan
Hagan
a
volunteer
leader
with
empty
Tampa,
which
stands
for
yes
in
my
backyard.
Viera
councilman
Vieira
said
something
that
I
I
love
hearing
from
you
all,
which
is
that
people
expect
city
council.
They
expect
the
city
to
be
run
well,
I'm
going
to
say
that,
hopefully,
if
I
have
time
twice
in
this
in
this
public
comment,
but
I'll
start
off
on
a
positive
note
and
say:
I
think
you
all
did
a
really
phenomenal
job.
AI
Looking
at
the
budget
and
being
critical
of
it,
we
we've
gotten
that
money
back
I
think
it's
you
know
whatever
it
is
for
housing
that
was
promised
we're
kind
of
close
to
that
I.
Don't
think
we
should
be
happy,
though,
because
in
my
opinion
you
all
cut
our
housing
budget
by
45
million
dollars.
AI
I
want
that
45
million
dollars
back
I,
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
get
it
from,
because
you
all
said
we
don't
have
a
revenue
problem,
even
though
you
voted
for
aft
50
of
people
in
Tampa
are
housing
burden.
That
means
they
spend
more
than
what
the
Federal
Department
of
Housing
thinks
is
appropriate
for
somebody
who
can
afford
their
home.
You
know
I
said
two
weeks
ago:
it's
a
what
an
eight
billion
dollar
problem.
AI
I'm
glad
we
I'm
glad
we
fixed
the
budget,
we
needed
to
do
that
I
just
again,
I,
don't
we
can't
go
back
and
fix
this,
but
we
should
have
said
I
want
to
keep
the
one
mill
but
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
it.
If
we
don't
fix
the
budget
first,
and
here
we
are
today,
I
think
it
sounds
like
we
have
generally
gotten
much
closer
to
fixing
the
budget,
and
we
should
be
talking
about
where
we
put
that
extra
45
million
dollars
it
should
have
been
into
housing.
AI
That's
that's
a
shortfall
that
the
city
has
is
the
only
place
that
has
the
leadership
to
actually
make
up
for
that,
and
you
all
prove
that
you
didn't
there's
gonna
RFP,
there's
an
RFP
out
for
the
coder
Forum
work,
which
I'm
going
to
call
coder
form.
I,
don't
know
if
staff
wants
to
call
up
that,
but
I
think
that's
the
mission.
I
really
hope
that
people
in
the
city
council
think
of
it.
That
way,
because
we've
got
a
30-year
backlog
of
change
that
needs
to
happen.
AI
I,
don't
know
how
you
call
that
it'll
call
it
reform,
you
have
to
call
it
a
revolution.
There
needs
to
be
some
significant
change.
There
I'm
very
concerned
that,
because
of
the
signaling
that's
come
from
here,
staff
or
whoever
is
responsible,
is
going
to
look
at
you
all
and
say
they
don't
want
to
fund
anything
we're
going
to
go
on
a
shoe
string,
budget
and
underfund
this
investment
and
how
we
run
our
city
and
in
general,
that
approach.
AI
If
we
are
going
to
nickel
and
dime
ourselves
out
of
out
of
providing
proper
services
like,
for
example,
making
sure
that
we're
able
to
build
housing
and
an
efficient,
you
know
time
and
money
efficient
manner.
We
need
to
be
able
to
invest
a
lot
of
money
into
that.
We
need
to
be
able
to
invest
a
lot
of
money
into
buying
housing
and
providing
housing
for
people.
AI
I
I
was
interested
about
the
1.5
billion
dollar
bonds
I'm
interested
to
know
what
is
the
max
that
we
can
do
on
housing.
Is
that
where
we
get
our
45
million
dollars
back
this
year,
and
then
on
my
on
my
personal
issues,
I'll
say:
7
million
for
Paving
I.
Don't
really
get
that
you
know
we
have
other
Transportation
objectives
and
then,
on
a
personal
note,
there's
nowhere
to
play
soccer
in
downtown
Tampa.
AI
That's
not
going
to
be
fixing
this
budget,
but
I
would
love
for
that
to
come
up
again.
Sometime
and
I'll
tell
you
the
people
I
play
soccer
with
in
the
mornings,
don't
come
here
and
neither
do
cyclists
and
people
expect
the
city
to
be
run
well
and
those
are
the
people
who
don't
show
up
here.
So
when
the
city
is
running
well,
you
don't
hear
about
it.
You
should
consider
that
when
you
say
no
to
money
that
we
need
and
this
people
are
asking
for
more
stuff.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Yes,.
B
AJ
Hello:
everyone,
my
name,
is
Tatiana
Morales
I'm,
one
of
the
co-chafter
leads
of
EMB
Tampa
and
I
wanted
to
start
once
again
by
mentioning
I
was
in
councilman
viera's
District.
My
rent
over
the
last
four
years
went
up
over
80
percent
and
it
caused
me
to
be
priced
out
of
a
district
that
I
love
that
I
lived
for
10
years
and
and
wanted
to
build.
AJ
My
future
in
I,
constantly
look
back
and
think
about
the
memories
that
I
had
in
that
place
and
that's
gone
for
me
now
and
that's
something
that
in
action
from
a
council
looking
at
the
future.
Looking
at
the
future,
where
150
people
come
to
Tampa
every
single
day,
they
move
here
for
opportunity.
They
move
you
for
the
sunshine.
They
move
you
for
the
culture
that
culture
dies.
AJ
AJ
So
I
also
wanted
to
pull
up
something
about.
Over
50
years
ago,
there
was
a
study
called
a
study
on
negro
life
in
Tampa.
This
study
was
to
look
at
the
statistical
data
about
the
black
community
in
Tampa
and
the
changes
that
occurred
through
urban
renewal,
interstate
highways,
construction
and
the
end
of
Jim
Crow.
The
report
concluded
with
the
key
conclusion
that
Tampa's
privileged
citizens
have
a
responsibility
to
pursue
corrective
actions
for
Tampa's
less
privileged
groups.
AJ
One
of
the
things
mentioned
was
that
everyone
under
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
lives
in
a
recession.
It
feels
like
it's
a
recession,
I've
never
made
more
than
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
the
city
of
Tampa
and
I
know.
Most
of
your
aides
haven't
I
know
mostly
people
in
this
room
have
it.
So
when
we
think
of
the
recession,
we
think
who's
suffering
and
who's
dying
in
our
streets.
It's
from
people,
and
it's
not
exactly
all
of
you.
AJ
AJ
Come
back.
We
remember
you
going
through
our
community
saying:
there's
a
housing
crisis.
There's
a
housing
crisis
I'm
going
to
fix
it,
I'm
going
to
look
at
zoning
I'm
going
to
look
at
everything.
Well,
the
comprehensive
plan
comes
up
next
week.
The
Land
Development
code
is
important
and
I'll
be
meeting
with
one
of
you
tomorrow
to
talk
about
that.
AJ
So
when
we
look
at
the
future
of
Tampa
and
we
look
at
housing,
we
need
to
make
big
changes,
because
the
map
that
our
city
was
built
in
was
built
to
be
racist
and
it
was
built
to
exclude
people,
and
we
need
to
change
that.
Thank
you,
Council
and
I
hope
you
do
the
right
thing
for
Tampa.
Thank
you
very
much.
U
It's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
stood
before
this
diocese
before
each
of
you
and
I.
Remember
a
lot
of
you
coming
through
the
neighborhoods
I.
Remember
a
lot
of
you
coming
and
sitting
with
me
on
my
radio
programs
and
I.
Remember
a
lot
of
you
just
having
coffee
with
me
on
a
personal
note
and
before
I
walked
in
this
building
this
evening,
I
asked
God
to
go
ahead
of
me.
U
The
reason
why
I
asked
God
to
go
ahead
of
me,
because
in
the
Book
of
Matthew
Jesus
spoke
about
two
type
of
trees,
a
good
tree
cannot
bring
forth
evil
fruit.
Neither
can
a
corrupt
tree
bring
forth
good
fruit.
Every
tree
that
bringeth
not
forth
good
fruit
is
thrown
and
cut
down
and
cast
Into
the
Fire.
U
What
type
of
tree
are
you
going
to
represent
for
your
constituents
who
voted
for
you?
What
type
of
tree
are
we
going
to
bear
for
this
mother
who
came
forth
where
she's
having
a
problem,
because,
right
now,
we
all
need
to
be
on
a
rent
too
damn
High
campaign,
the
rent
is
too
high.
You
have
landlords
because
of
this
orchestrated
body
from
the
governor
of
the
state
of
Florida,
who
has
taken
the
cap
off,
who
has
told
landlords
that
they
can
be
biased
up
to
whom
they
can
rent
to
now.
U
It
makes
it
very
very
difficult
for
my
29
year
old
son
who's
married
to
his
25
year
old
wife,
with
their
four
children
to
go
and
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
a
three-bedroom
two-bath
home
comfortably,
but
we
cannot
see
this.
You
know
why
we
can't
see
this
councilman
and
councilwoman.
You
know
why
we
can't
see
this
because
the
the
fruit
that's
rolling
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
tree
is
running
away
from
the
tree.
We
don't
have
any
trees,
that's
planted
in
the
root
of
God
anymore,
you
taking
him
out
of
everything.
U
You've
taken
God
out
of
everything,
and
you
expect
God
to
bless
this
budget
in
these
cuts.
I
feel
sorry
for
you
at
some
points
during
these
meetings,
my
heart
Grieves,
for
you
sometimes
doing
these
because
I
know
sometimes
the
decisions
can
be
tough,
but
you
have
to
remember
the
same
promises
that
you
made
to
us
going
in.
We
gonna
see
you
going
out.
I
promise
you
on
that.
One.
AK
AK
This
is
for
the
disability
community
and
also
for
seniors
to
be
able
to
age
in
place.
As
we
heard
a
little
earlier.
Accessibility
should
not
be
an
afterthought,
but
it
should
be
a
requirement
for
all
new
house.
Affordable
housing,
Construction
and
I'm,
also
hoping
that
accessible
play
equipment
won't
be
impacted
negatively
by
this
budget.
Thank
you.
AL
Hello
Council,
my
name
is
Nadia
Mosley
I'm,
a
member
of
an
organization
called
Florida
Rising.
My
purpose
of
speaking
to
you
all
I
am
a
recipient
of
public
housing.
I'm
on
a
program
called
the
ax
heart
program
has
helped
me
tremendously
in
that
they
provided
me
with
more
than
just
housing.
They
have
counseling
I,
have
mental
health
issues
which
they
help
people
who
are
what
they
call
chronically
homeless
as
a
result
of
mental
health
and
or
drug
abuse
issues.
AL
I'm
coming
to
you
all
today,
as
the
people,
you
guys
say,
We
the
People
down
the
street
from
city
council,
I
watch
people
sleep
in
the
concrete
I
was
there
I
watch
people
beg
for
simple
things
like
food
and
water
and
I.
Just
think
that
appropriate
and
affordable
housing
would
help
these
people
to
better
themselves
a
lot
of
people.
That's
all
they
need
and
I'm
a
firm
believer
in
compassion
and
understanding
goes
a
long
way.
AL
I
AM
AM
AM
AM
A
rental
assistance
program
will
speak
to
our
needs,
those
who
have
come
and
Spoken
Here
speaking
from
their
hearts,
listen
to
us,
because
we
are
part
of
you
as
a
member
of
lulac,
the
league
of
United
American
citizens.
We
speak
to
you
here.
We
are
together,
support
the
housing
fund
because
it
needs
to
be
a
reality.
Thank
you.
AN
Evening,
I'd
have
to
say,
I
got
here
late,
but
this
is
definitely
church
amen
moment.
It's
like
Let,
the
church,
say
Amen
to
everything.
That's
being
said,
my
name
is
Alice
Moore
and
I'm,
a
senior
which
means
that
I'm
on
a
fixed
income,
I
live
in
an
apartment
by
choice
and
I.
Unfortunately,
the
times
are
different.
Everything
is
not
affordable.
AN
I
need
you
to
fully
fund
those
housings
because
excuse
me
fully
from
the
housing
for
rent
constantly
going
up
and
I
do
not
want
to
be
a
in
the
situation
that
I
have
to
ask
or
rent
or
try
to
get.
You
know
your
friends
or
your
friends
as
long
as
you
don't
ask
them
for
anything,
and
even
if
you're
homeless,
it
doesn't
you
know
it
doesn't
matter,
I
loved
you
before
and
that's
it
and
I
would
not
to
be
in
that
situation,
which
I
was
at
one
point.
Everything
is
not
affordable.
AN
Guests
used
to
be
15
to
a
half
a
tank,
that's
25.,
I
would
like
for
you
please.
Please
consider
you
have
a
lot
of
people,
as
we
have
said
before,
on
the
streets,
homeless
and
Senior,
it's
really
something
for
them
on
a
fixed
income.
It's
really
hard
to
make
it,
especially
when
rent
continues
to
go
up
and
we
can't
plan.
We
don't
know,
checks
are
all
going
to
be
the
same,
and
if
you
have
the
landlords,
have
the
free
reign
to
do
it.
AN
They
want
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
seniors
on
the
street
not
being
able
to
afford
anything,
not
to
mention
the
regular
people
as
a
young
lady
spoke
herself
and
is
really
something
I've
lived
here
all
of
my
life,
and
this
is
really
the
first
time
I've
seen
all
of
this
happen.
Please
consider
us
the
seven
million
dollars,
please
put
it
in
the
budget,
so
we
can
help
housing
and
use
some
of
the
buildings
as
standing.
It
would
be
great
to
have
some
people
in
to
be
able
to
stay
remodeling
them.
AN
We
remodel
them
from
restaurants,
all
the
old
buildings.
We
can
certainly
do
this
for
some
of
the
people
for
people
that
live.
We
say
we
care,
as
the
lady
said,
everybody's
in
our
churches.
Everybody
come
in
our
neighborhood,
but
nobody
thinks
of
us.
We
only
think
of
the
business
people.
Ebo
city
has
been
remodeled
part
of
West
Stanford
using
old
buildings,
a
lot
of
the
buildings
you
can
make
space
for
them.
AN
Nobody
should
be
sleeping
on
the
street
by
the
cemetery
and
all
downtown
and
they
are
not
in
your
neighborhood
and
you
find
a
lot
of
people
sleeping
in
cars
and
possibly
it
might
be
me
having
a
hard
time
to
do
as
I
say.
Your
friends
are
not
your
friends
until
when
you
ask
for
money
or
trying
to
get
help,
but
please
fine,
please
think
about
funding
the
seven
million
dollars
in
your
budget,
10
million
10
minutes
and
your
budget
I'm
sorry
10
million
in
your
budget.
It
really
would
help
a
lot
of
us.
Thank
you.
AN
I
AO
Hi
I'm,
Vanessa,
McCleary
and
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
worth
initiative.
Also
the
CDC
of
Tampa
and
the
citizens
of
Tampa.
Affordable
housing
is
truly
a
crisis
and
there
has
been
a
storm
that
hit
Tampa
and
its
name.
Is
inflation?
We've
been
hit
with
higher
gas
prices,
taxes
Insurance
everything
coming
at
the
exact
same
time.
So
when
we
look
at
whether
you
should
take
money
out
of
the
Reserve
I
do
think
that
housing
is
a
critical
need,
just
like
any
other
storm
that
comes
through,
and
you
need
to
tap
into
it.
AO
We
not
only
need
that
10
million
dollars
and
you're
correct.
It
wouldn't
be
a
one-time
thing,
but
it
does
need
to
be
a
one-time
thing.
It
needs
to
be
this
year
and
then
I
implore
everyone
to
find
a
way
to
make
sure
that
it
is
in
the
budget
every
year
for
10
million,
because
at
5
million
you're
helping
about
3
000
people,
but
there
are
40
000
people
that
are
struggling
to
pay
when
we
at
the
CDC
are
helping
families
to
get
jobs
and
careers
at
twenty
dollars
an
hour.
AO
But
twenty
dollars
an
hour
is
not
enough
to
live
in
Tampa.
It's
a
problem.
We
have
an
amazing
City,
I
love,
Tampa,
I
love
how
it's
growing,
but
at
the
same
time
that
it's
growing.
It's
also
dying
the
restaurants
that
I
like
can't,
have
employees
because
the
employees
can't
afford
to
live
here.
The
schools
can't
keep
teachers
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
here.
The
hospitals
are
having
trouble
with
nurses
and
employees
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
here.
AO
If
the
citizens
of
Tampa
can't
afford
to
live
here
and
everybody
is
being
replaced
and
I'm
one
of
those
that
moved
here,
it's
not
going
to
be
the
same.
So
it
is
important
that
we
address
the
housing
issue
that
we
make
sure
that
it's
affordable,
not
only
by
providing
assistance
but
changing
policies
that
make
it
something
that
is
sustainable.
AO
AP
Good
evening,
Keela
mccaskill,
you
know
I,
said
I'm
going
to
keep
repeating
this
Forbes
recently
announced
that
we're
one
of
the
greatest
cities
to
live
in
and
I'm
going
to
keep
saying
that
until
we
perform
until
we
act
like
we
know
that,
but
I
guarantee
you
they
didn't
know,
we
had
a
26
000,
26,
000
plus
population
that
needs
housing.
So
I'm
asking
you
know
tonight
we
get
to
do
something
about
it.
AP
Today
in
this
budget,
the
administration
said
that
housing
they
understood
that
housing
in
this
emergency
I
know
I've,
come
here
and
compared
it
to
a
hurricane,
but
the
administration
said
they
knew
that
it
was
an
emergency,
but
seeing
this
that
the
housing
doesn't
have
a
reoccurring
fund,
or
at
least
for
the
four
years
that
you
all
get
to
be
here.
It's
it
says
to
me
that
it's
not
because
if
it
were
important,
it
would
have
that
10
million
dollars
reoccurring
for
the
next
four
years.
AP
I
believe
that's
what
the
maximum
you
can
extend
that
type
of
a
fund,
but
it
will
reoccur.
For
four
years.
All
of
you
ran
a
campaign
on
housing
and
affordability.
All
of
you
and
tonight
what
we're
asking
for
is
it
commit
admit
right
now,
housing
is
on
a
girlfriend's
status.
We
want
a
commitment.
We
want
you
to
put
a
ring
on
it
tonight
you
get
to
put
a
ring
on
10
million
dollars
for
the
next
four
years.
AP
We
want
you
to
make
it
plain,
make
it
simple,
so
the
community
can
understand-
and
everybody
knows
from
year
after
year,
we're
asking
you
for
10
million
dollars
plus
for
four
years,
at
least,
if
that's
the
maximum,
that
you
can
extend
it
if
you
could
do
more
do
more,
but
tonight
that's
what
kind
of
commitment
we're
asking
for.
Thank
you
thank.
AQ
Good
evening
my
name
is
Matt.
Wilson
I
wasn't
going
to
come
here.
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
this.
Clumsily
I.
Think
one
of
the
secrets
of
life
isn't
just
what
it's,
how
it's
not
what
you
do,
it's,
how
you
do
it
and
that's
the
pass
or
fail
of
most
things.
Lots
of
people
had
good
ideas
and
they
failed
because
they
didn't
think
about
exactly
how
the
Details
Matter
a
lot.
AQ
Okay,
the
homeless
issue
I'm
going
to
talk
about,
but
it's
all
the
housing
issue
and
this
isn't
going
to
stop
everything
the
immigrants,
the
all
of
these
problems
are
going
to
just
keep
multiplying
they're
like
it's
like
one
wave
after
another
after
another,
but
what
I
want
to
say
I'm
going
to
cut
to
the
chase.
The
solution
to
this
problem
is
not
the
solution.
They've
been
using.
AQ
It's
communal
living
spending
two
thousand
dollars
a
month,
plus
a
check
plus
this
plus
that
to
get
every
homeless
person
off
the
street
is
what
cities
have
been
doing
for
20
or
30
years
now,
and
it's
ridiculous
60
to
100
000
a
year
to
get
a
homeless
person
off
the
streets
is
unsustainable
and
the
key
to
the
future
is
taking
old
buildings,
empty
grocery
stores,
schools
and
turning
them
into
large
communal
living
places.
Where
you
can
put
Lots
when
you
put
300
people
in
at
a
time.
AQ
It's
the
only
way
it's
going
to
happen,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
wait
too
long
to
do
it
and
I
don't
even
want
to
say
what
I
think
and
then
we're
going
to
end
up
with
concentration
camps,
but
in
the
30s
in
the
depression.
We
had
an
intelligent
president
who
saw
these
things
and
knew
how
to
move
the
government
and
move
things
and
they
started
it.
Organizations
called
the
WPA
to
put
people
to
work.
AQ
B
AR
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Linda
Wiggins,
Chavis
and
I
am
from
faith
in
Florida
this
year
there
were
three
laws
that
were
implemented
on
housing,
all
of
them
harmful,
SB
102.
Although
the
live
local
act
had
some
good
parts
to
it,
it
had
a
harmful,
a
harmful
preemption
piece
that
took
all
authority
from
you
all
and
from
County
officials,
so
that
we
could
not
get
a
state
of
emergency
declared
in
order
to
get
rent
stabilization.
AR
We
keep
coming
up
here,
saying
the
same
things
over
and
over
asking
for
the
same
things
over
and
over
I
heard.
The
gentleman
say,
I
think
he's
your
CFO.
If
I'm
correct
this
budget
is
a
proposal
and
can
and
probably
will
he
didn't
say,
probably
will
I'm
saying
probably
will
change
simply
because
there's
10
million
dollars
in
the
budget
does
not
mean
10
million
dollars
will
be
spent
on
housing.
AR
AR
This
is
not
even
my
job
anymore
but
I'm
here,
because
I
care,
my
position
has
changed,
but
I'm
going
to
keep
coming
here
to
talk
about
housing.
Until
we
see
a
significant
difference,
we
have
more
and
more
homeless
people
because
excuse
me,
I,
don't
like
that
term,
we
have
more
and
more
people
who
are
unhoused,
because
the
housing
crisis
is
not
being
addressed
in
the
proper
manner,
so
we're
going
to
build,
affordable
housing
and
we'll
give
rental
assistance,
but
one
of
what
about
the
people
that
are
unhoused.
AR
Do
you
even
know
where
they
are
I,
I,
really
and
truly
hope
that
something
is
done,
that
enough
is
done
because
if
not
I
will
keep
coming
and
I
will
keep
coming
and
I
I
am
becoming
angrier
and
angrier
with
what
is
going
on
in
this
city
council
with
what
is
going
on
in
the
entire
State
of
Florida.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
AS
Good
evening
Council
Mike
Billick
secretary
Tampa,
firefighters,
Local
754,
there's
been
a
lot
of
passionate
speakers
up
here
today
in
regards
to
housing.
I
want
to
make
something
very
clear:
we're
not
here
competing
with
him.
Housing
is
a
need.
Public
Safety
is
a
need,
the
more
housing
we
have,
the
more
demand
we
have
for
Public
Safety.
We
are
one
and
the
same,
the
real
reason
why
we
might
not
get
the
grant
it
was
touched
on.
You
know
it's
not
for
sure.
AS
Yet
it's
because
we're
we
have
too
big
of
a
savings
account
if
I
come
to
you
and
ask
you
for
to
loan.
You
know
loan
me.
Some
money
or
hey
I
need
10
grand
to
do
this,
but
I
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
my
savings.
Account
you're
not
going
to
give
me
the
money.
So
why
would
the
federal
government
give
us
the
money,
18,
firefighters,
slash,
paramedics
were
presented
in
Mr
rogero's
presentation.
AS
He
averaged
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
employee
and
I
know
that
he's
talking
about
total
compensation,
but
let's
be
clear,
we
typically
hire
firefighter
EMTs
and
they
go
to
paramedic
school
within
the
first
three
years
that
firefighter
EMT
when
they
get
on
the
job
they
make.
Fifty
five
thousand
dollars
base
pay.
I
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
there's
forty
five
thousand
dollars
of
a
fifty
five
thousand
dollar
salary,
an
additional
cost
to
this
city.
AS
AS
So
if
you
put
two
people
on
each
unit,
which
is
typically
how
they're
staffed
there's
three
shifts,
so
that's
six
five
stations
six
times
five
thirty
sounds
like
the
grant
that
we
were
trying
to
get.
Those
vehicles
are
already
purchased.
They
were
purchased
a
couple
years
ago,
as
the
fire
chief
stated
to
you.
There
are
supply
chain
issues
on
why
these
vehicles
aren't
here
today
they
are
coming.
AS
AS
In
regards
to
fire
station
24,
we've
already
had
12
million
dollars
promised
to
us
in
a
budget
that
just
vanished
it's
nowhere.
Nobody
can
answer
where
it
is
so
what's
different
about
this
year,
when
we
get
money
promised
to
us
for
a
fire
station,
the
reserve
fund,
as
you
said,
chairman,
it's
the
rainy
day
fund.
Well,
guess
what
council
it's
raining!
AS
AS
If
you
don't
mind,
sir,
go
ahead,
if
we're
going
to
spend
a
year
on
design
for
fire
stations
that
we
continue
to
copy
and
paste
over
and
over
again,
why
don't
we
put
that
time
to
use
and
start
designing
a
fire
station
that
is
safer
and
closer
to
Industry
standards
to
help
support
our
firefighters?
Thank.
AS
AT
You,
sir
John
Miller
vice
president
Tampa
Police,
benevitable
Association,
so
appreciate
staff
putting
together
what
seems
like
a
fairly
comprehensive
budget.
There
are
some
things:
I
really
liked
about
the
budget,
some
things
that
that
I
still
have
some
concerns
about
I,
like
the
fact
that
they
kept
the
the
matching
grant
money
in
there
for
the
30
extra
officers.
I
think
that
is
absolutely
vital.
They
I
like
that
they
that
they
that
they
looked
at
continuing
to
fund
our
vehicles
fully
from
the
CIT
funding
versus
using
that
for
for
other
other
purposes.
AT
My
concerns
were
a
couple
of
things
one
we
had
asked
for
additional
funding
on
top
of
the
CIT
money,
so
the
CIT
money,
although,
although
nice,
it
does
not
cover
all
of
our
needs.
So
going
back
to
that,
it's
going
to
be
the
same
thing
as
previous
years.
The
vehicles
are
just
going
to
get
older.
It's
going
to
become
a
longer
life
cycle,
replacement
time.
Take
every
dollar
to
take.
Out
of
that
that
that
you
use
to
send
to
something
else,
is
a
dollar
more
than
causing
an
issue
for
us
long
term.
AT
So
I
don't
think
that
that
doing
that
is
a
quick
fix
when
you
can
do
things
like
like
he's
talking
about
with
the
fire
stations.
I
think
that
they're
all
vital
the
Public,
Safety
police
and
fire
is
vital.
I
think
that
there's
other
ways
to
do
it
I
think
that
we
had
a
councilman
that
that
that's
been
it's
probably
the
fourth
and
fifth
time.
AT
I've
heard
him
basically
bring
up
that
in
October
that
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
possibility
of
bonding
things,
I
I'm
a
believer
that
in
bonding
stuff
like
that
I
in
a
time
when,
when
I'm
having
a
crisis
in
the
house,
as
far
as
money
goes,
I,
don't
look
to
then
pay
my
entire
mortgage
off
all
at
one
time,
I
look
to
to
mortgage
or
Bond
things
out
in
the
long
term.
AT
I
think
that
that
major
rehabs
of
fire
stations,
that
that
is
something
else
that
I
Bond
because
I'm
not
going
to
use
it
all
in
one
year.
It's
not
going
to
be
it's
not
going
to
be.
You
know
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
we're
having
to
do
it
again
the
next
year.
It's
not
a
one-time
thing,
that's
going
to
make
the
fire
station
last
for
20
30
years,
and
that
should
be
continued
to
be
paid
for,
in
my
opinion,
over
the
course
of
time.
I
think
that
you
know
asking
someone.
AT
Should
we
use
this
for
this
important
need,
or
this
important
need
when
they're
both
important
I
mean?
That's
not
like
somebody.
Do
you
need
food?
You
need
water
well,
technically,
I
guess:
I
need
water
first,
but
I
still
need
food.
I
think
that
the
fire
department,
not
only
they,
can
either
Vehicles.
They
do
need
the
fire
stations
I.
AT
Think
there's
a
way
to
do
both
of
them,
one
of
them
the
major
expense
in
the
infrastructure
through
bonding
the
other
concern
that
I
have
the
last
one
and
then
we're
linking
any
time
left
is
in
relation
to
Manning.
It
was
on
the
on
the
slide,
a
50
reduction
in
over
higher
positions
to
tpd,
so
that
brick
is
down
if
I'm
correct
you
from
20
to
10,
which
basically
means
now
10
over
higher
positions,
which
I
think
is
still
doable.
AT
Now,
when
you,
when
you
start
cutting
over
hires,
because
that's
basically
how
long
we
over
hire
when
somebody's
when
we
know
that
somebody's
anticipating
on
leaving,
because
it
takes
so
long
to
send
someone
through
all
of
the
training
so
that
they
can
actually
then
go
out
to
the
street,
otherwise
you're,
basically,
yes,
you'll
have
a
body
you'll,
see
them
in
about
six
months
and
so
reduce
the
number
of
over
hires.
Make
no
mistake:
it
dilutes
the
value
of
the
30
officers,
because
now
you
still
don't
have
near
as
many
bodies
on
the
street.
R
Hey
good
evening,
Council
Nick
stalker,
president
of
Tampa
firefighters,
the
firefighters
here
you're
in
your
neighbor
in
your
backyards,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
time,
always
on
the
phone,
as
well
as
a
passionate
in
Heartfield
stories
that
we've
heard
today.
You
know
the
housing
crisis
is,
is
a
serious
dire
need
as
public
safety
and
First
Responders,
firefighters,
paramedics.
We
do
tend
to
a
lot
of
of
the
homeless,
but
it
goes
hand
in
hand
with
housing,
as
we
do
increase
square
footage
and
more
occupyable
space.
R
We
do
need
to
have
the
fire
protection
services
to
be
able
to
help
the
housing
needs.
The
fire
Union,
you
all
are
probably
sick
and
tired
of
my
emails.
I
know
you
are
a
seat
in
your
face
and
I
flood
you
guys
with
emails,
because
we've
provided
you
with
all
the
information
you've
needed
that
we've
been
repeating
over
and
over
and
over
again
for
many
years.
It's
time
to
act,
it's
time
to
do
something:
I've
sent
the
same
documentation
over
and
over
and
over
again,
it's
time
to
act.
It's
time
to
do
something.
R
70
percent
of
our
fire
stations
are
past
their
life
expectancy
and,
as
you
heard
one
to
three
years
to
build
one,
if
we
don't
act
today,
we're
further
moving
back
and
further
moving
back
than
we
already
have
been.
As
you
heard,
we
were
promised
not
just
we
were
promised.
The
citizens
were
promised
a
fire
station,
you
all
let
the
citizens
down,
not
just
the
firefighters,
think
about
that.
One.
R
The
firefighters
that
are
here
behind
me
that
people
are
here
in
housing
that
spoke
from
the
heart
when
the
heart
stops
ticking.
Who
comes
to
get
you,
the
firefighters,
the
paramedics,
all
the
ones
behind
me
that
know
what
it's
like
to
save
a
life?
That's
what
we
do.
We
save
lives,
early,
defibrillation
and
resuscitate
people.
R
You
tell
me
what
matters
the
most
saving
lives
is
what
matters
the
most
to
local
government
and
that's
Public
Safety,
and
that's
what
we
do
as
firefighters
and
that's
what
we
do
as
firefighter
paramedics.
We
need
the
help.
We
need
the
support.
We
need
health
and
safety
in
our
living
conditions.
1914
is
when
station
six
was
built.
Eight
years
ago
it
was
remodeled
through
donations,
13,
ugly
men.
R
We
need
these
living
conditions
to
be
sustainable,
so
we
can
see
retirement
we're
not
making
it
past
five
years,
we're
going
to
start
introducing
you
to
you
guys
some
firefighters
that
have
passed
because
of
the
health
and
safety
conditions
that
we
have
right
here
in
our
backyard,
and
you
all
can
start
by
making
a
difference
in
investing
into
our
lives
by
these
stations
that
we
live
in,
not
by
choice.
We
have
to
go
there,
that's
where
we
work.
R
AU
Rick
Pfeiffer,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
things
have
been
promised
to
a
lot
of
people
in
this
city
for
a
long
time
doing
a
little
bit
of
a
history
lesson.
I
know
that's
normally
Mr
morandis
area,
but
in
87
I
started
paying
attention
to
the
city
budget.
When
I
was
getting
my
Master's
in
public
administration,
I
watched
the
budget,
that's
grown
and
grown
and
grown
and
grown
I
thought
it
was
top
heavy.
AU
Then
I
hear
a
lot
of
things
get
delayed,
but
I've
watched
a
budget
that,
literally
in
the
last
nine
years,
has
grown
125
the
previous
15
years.
It
grew
135
percent.
If
our
budget
is
growing
that
rapidly,
why
is
it
there's
not
fire
houses?
Why
is
it
we
don't
have
the
money
for
housing?
Where
is
the
money
going
when
I
manage
contracts
for
the
state
I
used
to
see
a
detailed
line
item
of
what
was
being
proposed
in
our
budget?
I?
AU
Don't
think
that's
what
you
guys
get,
because
I
can't
find
it
at
any
place
that
I've
looked
online,
okay,
I
I
and
the
idea
I've
heard
bonding
and
fees,
and
this
that
now
the
good
friend
of
mine
who
used
to
be
on
Council,
he
lost
his
Council
race
because
he
objected
to
the
idea
of
using
Bond
money
to
buy
fire
equipment
that
would
be
in
the
junkyard
before
the
bonds
were
due.
AU
Our
last
mayor
was
on
Council
when
that
was
done,
and
yet
he
spent
the
whole
WAD
for
the
BP
settlement
on
what
redoing
Julian
Lane
Park.
That's
like
taking
a
lecture
Cruise
when
your
roof
is
leaking.
Okay,
we've
got
so
many
unbet
needs,
and
every
year
they
seem
to
get
kicked
down.
The
road
I'm
I
I
applaud
the
fact
that
y'all
start
looking
at
the
budget.
It's
the
one
thing
the
charter
says
you
have
complete
control
over
every
nickel.
That's
spent!
Please
please!
Please
go
further
with
that.
AU
AU
AV
The
statement
is
from
Coy
Jones
and
she
is
the
Florida
political
director
of
11.99
SEIU
health
care
workers,
East,
the
largest
Union
of
caregivers
and
other
staff
in
hospitals
and
nursing
homes
across
the
state
says
our
Union
of
35,
000,
caregivers
and
other
workers
at
hospitals
and
nursing
homes
in
Tampa
and
across
Florida
provides
some
of
this
communities
and
society's
greatest
need.
AV
Caring
for
our
sick,
our
elderly
and
other
vulnerable,
often
very
low
weight
with
very
low
wages,
while
caring
for
others,
they
struggle
to
pay
their
own
bills
and
support
their
own
families.
Raising
housing
call
Rising
housing
costs
are
making
it
even
more
difficult
and
sometimes
impossible
for
these
dedicated
caregivers
to
live
here.
AV
They
desperately
need
support
from
the
city
and
leaders
to
provide
rental
relief
and
access
to
affordable
housing
without
help
and
these
programs,
our
most
essential
workers,
will
not
be
able
to
live
here
if
we
lose
the
people
who
care
for
our
sick
and
or
our
elderly
loved
ones.
Where
will
we
be
so
on
behalf
of
1199,
SEIU
members
and
many
more
thousands
of
other
caregivers
here
in
Tampa
Bay,
we
ask
Commissioners
to
properly
for
a
fund,
affordable
housing
in
the
current
budget.
Thank
you.
S
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
right
here,
I
have
three
promises
that
were
broken.
Three
I
have
three
statements
that
were
made
here
in
front
of
this
Council
that
were
broken
and
I'm
very,
very
concerned
that
we're
all
going
to
go
home
tonight
with
our
10
million
dollars,
and
it
should
be
reoccurring.
S
S
It
gets
people
off
the
street,
they
get
medical
care,
they
have
a
roof
over
their
head.
They
are
not
out
committing
crimes,
but
the
folks
who
are
on
the
street
are
40
percent,
more
likely
to
be
victims
of
violent
crime,
they're
27
percent,
more
likely
to
be
victims
of
non-violent
crime,
so
that
right
there
tells
you
that
if
we
are
spending
our
money
being
preventative
instead
of
reactive,
that's
where
we
need
to
go
in
every
single
situation.
S
I'm
very
concerned
that
we
were
told
last
year
we
were
getting
5.5
and
then
I
go
back
and
watch
it
and
man.
It
was
like
watching
a
snake
charmer,
because
when
I
got
to
when
I
went
back
and
looked
this
year
a
year
later,
I
went
holy
crap,
that's
what
they
said.
They
were
very
careful
with
their
wording.
S
I
have
a
problem
with
that
5.5
million
going
to
solid
waste,
and
they
said:
oh,
the
money
is
already
spent,
but
yet
on
Thursday's
agenda,
there's
a
half
a
million
dollars
for
equipment
for
solid
waste,
that
half
a
million
dollars
should
be
going
to
where
ding
ding
ding
housing.
Because
that's
what
we
were
told
a
year
ago,
we
were
told
in
2021
that
we
were
getting
a
fire
station.
S
How
do
people
sleep
at
night
when
they
lie
to
the
public?
I'm?
Sorry,
but
that's
a
lie.
If
you
told
us
you
were
going
to
do
something,
then
by
God
you
do
it
if
I
say
I'm
going
to
do
something
I'm
going
to
move
Heaven
and
Earth
to
do
it
and
I
know
that
most
of
you
as
people
would
do
that
as
well.
Instead,
we're
being
lied
to
why?
S
What's
the
point?
Where
are
we
going
with
all
this
money
that
we
can't
possibly
give
up?
What
are
you
doing
with
it?
I
thought
this
lady
brought
up
Jesus
tonight
and
I
think
she
would
did
a
good
point.
Somebody
needs
to
start
doing
some
praying
because
you
can't
lie
to
folks.
You
cannot
lie
to
folks
over
and
over
again
and
expect
them
to
trust
you
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
counsel,
because
Council
didn't
take
the
money
away
for
the
fire
station.
Council
didn't
take
the
money
away
for
housing.
B
AS
AW
Evening
Council
first
I
want
to
say
with
the
CEO
CFO
when
he's
presenting
and
he
does
not,
he
material
fund
balance.
I
sat
back
there
wondering
what
does
that
mean,
and
he
indicated
that
he
wasn't
sure
what
it
meant.
So,
if
he's
presenting
something
about
the
material
fund
balance
and
no
one
knows
what
it
means,
that's
important
right,
we're
talking
about
the
budget.
AW
AW
We
are
all
readjusting
our
our
finances,
I'm
readjusting
my
finances,
so
I
think
it's
all
unfair
that
the
city
has
to
rear
just
theirs
in
regards
to
people.
I've
been
mobilizing
people
here
for
a
very
long
time,
and
you
guys
know
it.
The
new
Council
members
are
unaware
unless
you
watched
on
television,
but
people
have
bled
have
bled
pleaded,
cried
begged
for
something
to
be
done
done
around
housing.
AW
Today
I
said
you
know
what
let
me
try
something
different
with
Council,
because
all
the
people
that,
with
lgbtqia
Jewish
caucus,
disability
caucus,
11.99,
Democratic
Progressive
caucus,
Hillsborough,
County
Democratic
black
caucus
faith
in
Florida,
Tober,
Urban
League,
when
you're
going
out
to
and
on
the
campaign,
Trail
you're.
Looking
for
these
people
for
their
endorsement,
so
I
contacted
them
to
say,
hey,
we
need
you
to
come
down
here,
Omega,
Psi
Phi.
AW
AW
AW
I
love,
my
firemen
I
think
we,
of
course,
we
should
fund
firing.
Fire
I
think
the
top
two
concerns
are
not
even
the
top.
Two
concerns
are
housing
and
Fire
right
because
in
fire
has
been
not
given
their
their
due
for
years.
The
cost
of
police
I'm,
not
against
police,
but
you
know
in
regards
to
priority,
so
please
take
this
seriously:
have
the
courage
to
fund
housing
totally
and
make
fire
the
fire
department.
Your
second,
the
second
important
Department
thank.
B
B
S
AX
Andy
Joe
scaglioni
good
evening,
as
you
know,
I
was
here
on
September
5th
left
here
at
1
50
in
the
morning
last
week,
monitored
on
my
phone
from
three
o'clock
to
10
p.m
and
and
the
CFO
presentation
I
saw
earlier
I'd
like
to
thank
thank
staff
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
listening
to
the
feedback
that
we
have
been
giving
you
and
working
together
and
and
being
true
public
servants.
AX
If
everybody
leaves
today
good
negotiations,
everybody
leaves
the
day
a
little
bit,
not
happy.
We've
done
a
good
job
if
somebody
leaves
very
happy
and-
and
we
haven't
done
a
good
job
and
I
I
feel
like
we're
all
going
to
leave
a
little
unhappy
tonight.
Two
big
concerns
that
I
have
are
bonding.
Debt
is
not
your
friend,
okay,
you're,
taking
out
a
mortgage
for
our
kids
to
pay
and
when
you
look
at
cost
of
funds
being
at
a
22-year
high
bonding
is
not
what
you
should
be
looking
at
today:
okay,
pay.
AX
AX
AX
I
prefer
CIT,
as
you
know,
a
big
CIT
person,
and
we
get
this
renewed.
We
can
bring
in
if
we
don't
make
the
same
mistakes
as
in
the
past,
we
can
bring
in
close
to
15
million
dollars
a
year,
let's
not
Bond
it
and
bond
it
out
on,
as
as
a
previous
speaker,
Mr
Pfeiffer
said
on
something
that
lasts
10
years
and
we're
bonding
it
out
for
30..
So
again
that
very
good
point,
I
hold.
AX
AX
AY
AY
So
that's
your
problem,
you're,
not
spending
your
money
at
the
city
fast
enough,
spend
it
fast
enough.
You'll
get
more
see
when
you
sit
back
and
money
just
sit
there.
We
have
19
million
dollars
sitting
in
West,
Tampa
CRA
for
implementation.
That's
your
biggest
problem
in
the
city,
I've
told
the
city
Administration
that
I
don't
told
the
CRA
staff
and
all
of
them
that
you
can
Implement
housing.
How
can
we
Implement
housing
initiatives,
especially
the
CRA
programs
and
projects,
implementation
implementation
is
a
serious
problem
with
any
construction
Administration
project.
AY
Don't
take
that
long
to
be
a
fire
station
if
you're
reusing
the
plans
but
I'm
an
engineer
and
I'm
gonna
be
quiet:
okay,
because
I
got
them
in
Checkmate
right
now.
Okay,
but
I.
Don't
just
leak
that
to
you.
It
takes
a
long
time
to
spend
money
because
implementation
you're
sitting
there.
You
got
all
this
money
in
the
budget.
2
billion
and
you've
got
one
Department
can't
get
it
done.
Why
you
we
put
two
million
in
a
park
in
Ray,
Park
ain't,
nothing
happening!
Why
don't
get
me
started
where
I
know
the
problem?
AY
Is
it's
implementation,
it's
construction,
Administration.
That
department
needs
to
be
revamped
and
Mr
Bennett's
trying
his
best
to
do
it
and
so
does
purchasing,
and
those
are
your
problems
at
the
city.
Those
are
roadblocks,
but
if
you
want
to
be
mad,
can
we
respect
the
government
Affairs
department
at
oversee
our
lobbyists?
Yes,
we
can.
If
you
want
to
be
mad,
can
we
balance
the
budget
without
taking
money
from
the
poor
to
homeless
in
the
slim
and
blotted
areas
come
referred
to
as
yes,
we
can.
AY
If
you
want
to
be
man,
can
we
work
with
the
assistant
man
Administration
harmoniously?
Yes,
we
can.
If
you
want
to
be
man,
can
the
city's
ebo
Department
be
funded
to
monitor
all
the
capital
products,
water,
sewer,
Solid,
Waste
development
agreements
for
compliance?
Yes,
we
can,
if
you
want
to
be
mad,
but
if
you
don't
want
to
be
man,
don't
do
any
of
those
things
and
I
leave
you
with
this
Stone
implementation.
AY
B
Thank
you
very
much
we're
going
to
take
a
short
break
and
then
we're
going
to
come
back
to
council's
questions
comments,
discussion,
we're
taking
a
break.
Thank
you.
B
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Q
I
I
I
A
B
C
B
Thank
you
very
much
at
this
time
we
can
go
to
city
council
questions
or
comments
council.
Member
Miranda
would
let's
just
go
in
order.
Do.
M
Yes,
sir
and
I
appreciate
that
just
really
quick,
if
I
may
I
wanted
to
especially
thank
I,
don't
know
if
they're
still
here
we
had
three
members
of
our
budget
advisory
committee.
Mr
scaglione
is
here:
Miss
Sanchez
was
here,
I,
don't
think
she's
here
anymore
and
Miss
pointer
was
here
if
I'm
missing
anyone
I
apologize,
but
just
a
lot
of
hard
workers,
as
folks
can
tell,
and
and
and
I.
M
Thank
everybody
from
the
community
for
coming
and
speaking
out,
Etc
very,
very
much
so
appreciated
a
couple
of
things.
I
wanted
to
stress:
I
had
Miss
clay,
Karen
clay
come
up
and
speak
on
people
with
disabilities
and
today,
in
fact,
I
was
meeting
with
our
friends
from
The
Hive,
a
wonderful
organization
that
advocates
for
accessible
housing
for
people
with
different
disabilities.
I
I
fully
support
what
individuals
like
councilman
or
chairman
Maniscalco,
have
said
with
regards
to
housing
and
I
want
to
see
that
happen.
M
B
AZ
K
Yes
and
I
want
to
say
I
think
there
was
another
person
it
might
have
been.
Miss
clay
might
have
been
someone
else
who
mentioned
the
fact
that
we
should
really
try
to
get
as
much
of
our
housing
accessible
as
possible.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
I
want
to
set
a
number
on
it,
because
I
want
to
go
beyond
that
number
sure.
K
I,
don't
know.
I
I
think
Miss
Travis
is
here.
If
Miss
Travis
might
speak
to
how
we
can
actually
make
sure
that
we
just
incur
it's
to.
W
K
J
Good
evening
Council
Nicole
Travis
administrative
development
and
Economic
Opportunity,
so
Florida
building
code
already
addresses
Ada
accessibility.
So
you
have
to
include
that
in
any
new
development
anyway,
to
put
a
restriction
or
a
percentage
on
the
funding
that
you're
going
to
do
for
development
makes
it
much
more
restrictive.
I
think
we
can
try
to
achieve
achieve
that.
But
but
if
you
put
a
percentage
on
it,
you
might
end
up
with
funds
that
we
can't
spend
as
fast.
J
I,
don't
know
yes,
you
can
do
that,
but
I
understand.
So
what
I'm?
What
I
would
recommend
to
you
is
that
we
not
play
the
role
of
developer
and
not
be
the
private
sector
will
take
care
of
that
right.
So
we
need
to
partner
with
developers
and
putting
such
restriction
on
having
a
certain
percentage
of
your
units.
It
may
be
more
restrictive
or
it
limits
my
pool
of
with
the
developers
that
I
can
work
with
and
negotiating.
But
if
you
list
that
as
something
that's
aspirational,
we
certainly
will
work
towards
that.
M
M
Thank
you,
ma'am
and
I
appreciate
councilman
hertek,
your
thoughts
very,
very
valuable,
so
I
mean
there
are
projects
that
and
number
one
you're
right
that,
obviously
everything
has
to
be
Ada
accessibility,
that's
a
presumption
in
the
law
and
whatnot,
but
I'm
talking
about
things
like,
for
example,
group
homes
and
and
different
things
that
are
narrowly
tailored
to
people
with
certain
kinds
of
disabilities.
My
oldest
brother
Juan,
for
example,
lives
in
a
group
home
New
Horizons
Group
Home
in
Brandon,
which
is
specifically
for
persons
with
intellectual
disabilities.
M
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
number
one.
We
can
put
that
as
an
aspiration
make
it
the
10
strong
suggestions,
maybe
not
the
Ten
Commandments
as
I
say,
but
number
two
is
to
to
have
that
as
a
goal,
which
is
the
city
investing
and
we're.
We
have
you
all
meeting
with
the
hive
in
different
organizations
for
some
sort
of
a
development
which
is
for
persons
with
disabilities,
so
we
we
can
have
that
as
an
aspiration.
So
what
I'm
actually
going
to
do
is
Mr.
M
Fine,
so
what
I'll
do
if
I
may
is,
with
your
advice
and
with
council's
advice
as
well
councilman
her
attack
and
thank
you
councilman
Carlson,
for
the
second,
is
set
that
as
an
aspiration
for
what
the
hell,
let's
do,
15
and
up
from
12.
If
I
may,
that's
my
motion
and
then
I
will
motion
with
the
money
that
we're
getting
to
see
to
it
that
we
can
do
something
that
is
exclusively
for
persons
with
with
disabilities
they're
such
a
big
population
in
that
regard.
M
M
N
M
M
M
M
And
and
thank
you
Mr
chair
and
one
and
two
other
brief
ones.
If
I
may
I
wanted
to
ask
Miss
when,
if
I
may,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
should
have
given
you
the
go
ahead
or
the
warning
before
that.
So
my
apologies
with
regards
to
Parks
and
Recreation.
Can
you
or
anyone
opine
on
what
we
are
additionally
putting
in
the
budget
this
year
for
enhanced,
accessible
playgrounds
outside
of
our
cras?
X
X
Yeah,
so
what
we
do
I
can
tell
you
this.
Whenever
we
put
in
a
playground
we
put
in
accessible
equipment.
I
X
T
M
Appreciate
you
and
then
third,
if
I
may
Mr
chairman
with
regards
to
the
fire
stations
I,
do
want
to
take
Council
back
to
the
urgency
of
this.
Remember:
do
y'all,
remember
the
old
Council
when
Joe
Greco,
the
David
Lee
Roth
of
Local
754
came
here
when
we
were
in
covid.
He
was
on
the
second
floor
and
gave
that
impassioned
speech
on
fire
stations.
It
got
all
over.
The
media.
M
Joe
was
virtually
crying
out
of
emotion,
and
here
we
are
two
two
and
a
half
years
later
and
we've
gotten
stations
25
that's
a
big
deal,
but
we
ought
to
have
some
more
big
deals.
I
wanted
to
ask
our
chief
of
staff
John
Bennett.
If
you
could.
M
AZ
No
thank
you.
John
benichi
for
staff
I
appreciate
the
question
because
when
we
first
arrived
in
the
administration
with
Council
four
years
ago,
the
first
thing
mayor
Castor
asked
of
the
fire
chief
was
for
a
sort
of
a
master
plan
moving
forward.
We
understood
where
the
stations,
especially
24,
where
they
were
aligned
based
on
the
previous
administration.
AZ
We
obviously
are
data
driven
I
had
asked
to
see.
What's
called
the
standard
recovery
report
to
see
where
the
data
was
for
the
last
five
years,
we
got
a
report
from
the
fire
Union
about
station
placement
from
the
deeper
side
of
the
iff,
which
was
valuable
and
then,
of
course,
we
had
not
even
updated
a
couple
years
ago
and
as
recent
as
last
year,
I
took
the
data
from
Chief
Tripp
and
tried
to
code
it
by
Council
District
to
see
where
the
strengths
and
weaknesses
were.
AZ
You
know,
Mr
Rogero
had
talked
about
it,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
really
drill
down
on
where
we're
heading
here
I'm
going
to
throw
this
slide
up
here,
that's
right
out
of
the
capital,
Improvement
budget
and
the
reason
I
think
this
is
important
is
it's
already
been
mentioned,
there's
1.5
million
in
there
and
when
you
listen
to
Miss
Duncan
about
the
the
Journey
of
either
9
to
12
months
to
get
to
design
and
then
do
a
few
other
things.
We
have
to
see.
AZ
What's
shovel
ready
and
what's
actionable
so
I
do
believe
that
if
the
capital
Improvement
budget
gets
passed
the
way
it
is,
then
everything
will
start
moving
forward.
Councilman
very
you're,
exactly
right.
When
we
look
at
fire
station
13
and
its
criticality
three
to
four
years
ago
with
then
President
Joe
Greco,
the
the
call
load
in
13
was
unacceptable
and
to
try
and
to
frag
that
out
some
more
by
station
25
station
24
is
actually
embedded
in
station
13..
AZ
So
they're
co-located
right
now
and
chief
Tripp
has
been
working
hard
with
with
us
and
support
to
try
and
separate
those
two
stations
and
put
it
in
the
best
and
highest
use
location,
I
even
approached
USF,
and
to
see
if
they
would
build
a
fire
station,
because
we
service
USF
because
of
the
new
stadium
and
then
we
would
fill
it
with
24.
Since
we
already
had
the
resources
and
it
could
go
either
out
the
back
door
to
Fowler
or
could
go
out
the
front
door
to
New
Tampa
and
serve
beyond
that
campus.
AZ
But
today
we
really
haven't
had
any
opportunity
to
move
that
forward.
So
it's
still
out
there,
but
regardless
we're
going
to
take
care
of
our
own,
you
can
see
that
the
capital
Improvement
program
puts
a
almost
19.5
million
dollars
over
the
five-year
span.
Now,
of
course,
those
timelines
can
be
compressed.
F
Thank
you,
Council
destroyochi,
Financial
Officer,
just
a
couple
clarifications
that
20
million
dollars
right
now
is
anticipated
to
be
bonded
or
with
Debt
Service.
So
that's,
that's.
We
don't
have
that
cash.
Nor
do
we
anticipate
having
that
cash
on
hand
within
the
next
few
years,
and
this
is
not
part
of
the
proposed
Capital
Improvement
program.
This
would
be
part
of
should
Council
choose
to
the
revised
proposed
Capital
Improvement
program
that
Council
will
be
approving
tonight.
Thank
you
and.
M
And
Mr
chair
briefly,
thank
you
very
much.
So
you
know
the
reason.
I
brought
up
the
issue
of
bonding
nobody
likes
that
nobody
likes
borrowing,
we've
done
it
for
other
projects.
Is
you
know,
I
I
I
tried
putting
forth
the
compromise
on
more
Revenue.
That
I
suggest
would
be
dedicated
to
fire
stations
and
Public
Safety.
You
know
again,
there's
there's
reasonable
people
can
disagree
and
nobody
likes.
You
know
certain
things
and
just
just
the
way
it
is,
but
you
know
we
got
to
get
this
thing
done.
We
got
to
get
this
thing
done.
M
I'm,
I'm,
tired
of
looking
at
a
Tampa
Fire
rescue
and,
as
the
old
song
goes
trying
to
get
a
dollar
out
of
15
cents,
I'm
tired
of
it.
We
got
to
have
a
certain
way
of
funding
things
through
an
assured
funding
mechanism,
and
if
it's
bonds,
then
then
let's
just
do
it,
but
let's
just
do
it
and
get
it
done
and
that's
why
I'm
going
to
be
motioning
to
bring
this
thing
back
in
October,
I
think
that's
very,
very
important,
and
also,
if
I'm,
a
chief
Bennett.
You
had
also
talked
about
that.
M
AZ
So,
as
you
heard,
both
the
union
and
chief
Tripp
speak
about
the
five
stations.
Chief
Tripp
was
Innovative
and
was
able
to
get
a
Rescue,
Unit
I
believe
in
station
19
in
South
Tampa,
so
that
leaves
five
rescue
units
that
are
not
in
existing
fire
stations.
And
so
it's
my
understanding
that
Station
22,
which
would
serve
the
K
bar
area,
would
receive
a
rescue
vehicle
and
the
complement
of
those
firefighter
paramedics
that
are
in
the
budget.
So.
M
So
whenever
that
happens,
please
let
us
know,
and
I
would
really
you
know,
encourage.
If
we
have
a
we
should
number
one.
We
should
have
something
for
it
for
K,
Bar
Ranch.
You
know
the
k-bar
ranch
is
an
area
of
the
city
of
Tampa
new
Tampa.
That's
recently
built
they
feel
like
they
don't
get
a
lot
of
love
from
the
city
of
Tampa
and
you
know
a
little
hint.
M
They
really
don't,
because
they're
new,
it's
kind
of
the
Alaska
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
so
I
so
I
I'd
love
to
see
that
happen,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
all
of
city
council
for
all
of
your
support
on
this
issue
for
the
new
and
North
Tampa
area,
I
really
do
believe
that
we're
gonna.
M
You
know
that
Train's
Gonna
Leave
the
station
there's
nothing
going
to
be
stopping
it
at
all
and
and
I
really
think
everybody
on
city,
council,
Everybody,
councilman,
Carlson,
her
attack
Club,
then
in
Maniscalco,
Henderson
and
Miranda
everybody
for
y'all's
help
on
that
for
you
in
North
Tampa,
because
it's
very
much
so
needed.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
N
I
think
that
the
plan
that
has
been
presented
by
staff
should
move
forward,
as
is
including
putting
the
housing
money
specifically
adding
the
the
funding
to
housing
and
being
very
specific
about
that,
because
we
have
an
opportunity
to
it's
a
plan.
We
can
make
adjustments
as
we
go.
I
think
it's
solid
for
us
to
move
forward
with
it
being
in
the
position
that
it
is
right
now
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
I
won't
take
up
much
more
council's
time.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
first
I
want
to
say
again
thank
you
to
Chief
Bennett
to
Mr
Massey
Mr,
Perry,
Mr,
Rogero,
I,
see
Miss
delman
here
and
everybody
else
in
the
city
that
has
have
worked
tirelessly,
especially
since
last
Wednesday,
because
it's
been
Non-Stop
and
I've
been
in
communication
with
with
with
you,
all
and
I
appreciate
you
proposing
this
and
bringing
this
forward
to
us,
and
most
importantly,
I
want
to
thank
city
council,
because
each
council
member
up
here
has
been
diving
deep
into
this
budget
and
I
appreciate
all
of
you.
B
B
I
mentioned
earlier
about
housing,
taking
money
from
the
reserves,
the
five
million
dollars
to
move
it
to
housing,
which
would
add
to
the
5.5
million
and
then
the
1.7
million.
So
it
would
give
us
a
total
of
yes.
Y
B
D
B
BA
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
If
I
can
Martin
Shelby
city
council
attorney,
may
I
inquire
of
Mr
O'hara
Mr
Rogero.
Would
you
assist
counsel
in
giving
the
proper
verbiage
as
to
how
it's
constructed
in
terms
of
accounts,
so
it
fits
into
your
governmental
accounting
so
that
that
when
it's
reviewed
down
the
road,
everybody
knows
it
means
the
same
thing.
Certainly.
F
F
That
have
been
laid
out
before
you
tonight,
okay
and
then,
as
when
you
get
to
the
if
you
choose,
if
you
get
to,
if
and
when
you
get
to
the
expense
component,
that
the
five,
the
five
whatever
5.2
million
dollars
in
housing
is
part
of
that
expense
component.
Are
you
getting
ready
to
make
that
motion
now?
Sir?
Could
I
could
I
just
say
one
point
of
clarification
regarding
the
fund
balance.
AQ
F
Sir,
if
you
and
again
I'm
not
trying
to
dissuade
anybody,
but
you
heard
some
comments
tonight
that
perhaps
we
didn't
get
the
safer
Grant
because
of
our
fund
balance
level.
I
have
not
heard
that
my
the
grant
manager
has
not
heard
that,
but
I
will,
if
I
can
have
the
Elmo
up
and
up
and
I'm
not
saying
those
that
said
it
were
wrong,
but
I
will
say
in
2021
we
received
a
safer
grant
for
double
the
amount
we
asked
for,
and
that
was
our
highest
fund
balance
in
nearly
a
decade.
B
B
You
all
right,
so
thank
you
very
much,
sir,
and
thank
you
councilman
Carlson
I
think
I
I
absolutely
agree
just
for
for
clarity,
and
so
it's
on
the
record
that
the
money
will
be
allocated
for
a
specific
purpose.
So
there's
no
confusion,
then
I'd
like
to
pass
the
gavel
to
the
vice
chair
to
make
the
motion,
so
my
first
motion
would
be
to
take
five
million
dollars
out
of
the
reserve
funds
to.
Q
A
P
B
P
D
Yeah,
could
you
just
say
for
available
for
expenses?
Okay,.
B
P
D
I
ask
Mr
Bennett.
Can
you
tell
me,
does
the
mayor
support
this.
AZ
John
minute,
chief
of
staff,
as
far
as
the
fund
balance
goes,
obviously
you
heard
Mr
O'hara
who's.
Speaking
from
behalf
of
the
administration.
Just
talk
about
the
risk
factors,
of
course,
the
mayor's
strategic
plan,
one-fifth
of
it,
is
housing.
So
that's
why
we're
working
together
collaboratively
to
get
the
right
outcome,
but.
D
Does
she
support
moving,
you
put
it
as
an
option,
but
but
is
the
mayor's
support,
yeah.
AZ
D
Was
a
it's
a
it
I
think
in
the
last
meeting
my
colleague
recommended
it
as
a
or
suggested
it,
and
you
all
went
through
the
list.
You
accepted
some
things
and
didn't
others,
I
presume,
since
it
came
back
that
the
administration
does
not
object
to
it
and
I've
been
probably
I've,
been
probably
the
biggest
advocate
for
fund
balance
on
city
council
for
the
last
four
years,
because
I
believe
strongly
in.
AZ
AY
G
AF
P
P
I
believe
that
you
know
honestly
I
know
people
are
struggling,
but
in
a
macro
scale
where
this
is
the
good
times
is
we're
not
we
haven't
had
a
we
haven't
had
a
major
hurricane,
we
haven't
had
disasters,
and
so
you
know
that
that
fund
is
our
rainy
day
fund,
especially
that
that
portion
between
the
20
and
whatever
else
we
have
to
be
able
to
spend
money.
That
being
said,
I
also
believe
that
housing
is
Christ.
P
That's
why
I
put
that
5
million
on
the
board
and
I
also
put
that
pulling
money
from
the
reserve
funds
on
the
board
when
we
did
that
brainstorming
exercise
last
week,
so
I
I
as
much
as
it
pains
me
to
spend
into
the
reserves,
I
think
right.
Now
we
do
have.
We
do
have
a
problem.
We
have
a
crisis
that
we
have
to
resolve
so
I'll
be
supporting
this
motion.
Is
there
any
other
discussion,
councilman.
M
Vera,
thank
you
Mr,
chair
yeah.
You
know
my
my
thoughts
are
kind
of
the
same,
something
that
Mr
scaglione
said
I,
think
kind
of
makes
sense,
which
is
going
into
the
reserves
or
something
that
is
ongoing
for
years.
It
can
be
very,
very
public.
Problematic.
M
I
want
to
highlight
again
the
idea
that
there
was
a
tax
increase
proposed
with
Associated
spending
city
council
turned
down
the
tax
increase
again
I'm,
not
saying
that
as
pointing
fingers,
I
voted
against
the
tax
increase
in
its
largest
form
and
then
with
that
went
to
financial
support,
to
support
that
spending.
Now
we're
looking
at
cuts
to
support
that
spending,
and-
and
this
is
part
of
that
so
again,
I
I
do
agree
to
go
into
the
reserves
for
affordable
housing,
because
this
is
a
real
real
crisis.
M
I
know
that
next
Thursday,
our
friends
in
the
County
Commission,
are
going
to
be
dealing
with
this
issue
and
and
what
not,
and
so
again
I
I
am
an
animal
to
that.
But
I
did
want
to
mention
that
for
historical
background.
Thank
you.
N
G
G
G
G
But
that
being
said,
let
me
just
give
the
city
employees
now
in
case
they're
listening
and
they
think
that
something's
going
to
happen
to
their
job,
your
jobs
are
safe.
We
want
to
assure
you
that
what
you're
doing
is
appreciated
and
will
never
be
forgotten.
So
right
now
there
is
nothing
to
do
we're
not
cutting
any
jobs.
G
The
more
you
spend
and
the
more
you
do
things
the
least
you're
going
to
get.
If
you
have
a
bonding
situation
and
you
have
a
situation
where
it's
not
the
same
income,
you
had
percent
wise
because
you
had
the
reserve
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
I,
told
you
so
I.
Don't
do
that
I'm!
Just
telling
you
look
at
the
future,
if
that's
the
I.T
facts
call
it
whatever
I
said
extension
of
a
tax
really,
but
I
said
that
in
1996
and
I
was
the
only
one
to
vote
against
that
CIT
tax.
G
D
F
F
D
So,
just
roughly
roughly
to
just
to
stay
at
one
percent
below,
we
have
to
add
15
million
in
right,
yeah,
so
I
know
this
is
semantics,
but
we're
not
dipping
into
the
reserve
fund.
In
fact,
we're
adding
to
the
reserve
correct
I
mean
we're
adding
we're
adding
roughly
10
million
to
the
reserve
fund.
The
difference
is
that
there
was
a
proposal
at
15
million,
and
so
all
we're
doing
is
we're
reducing
the
amount
we
add
to
the
reserve
and
we're
not
taking
any
down
the
dollar
amount
is
going
up.
D
The
percentage
is
going
down
slightly
and
and
I'm
concerned,
because
I
want
the
percentage
to
go
back
up,
but
considering
the
housing
crisis.
We
have
I.
Think
it's
okay,
because
the
dollar
amount
overall
is
going
up
substantially.
Adding
another
10
million
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
need
to
preserve
this
money
because,
as
councilmember
Clinton
said,
the
only
real
rainy
day
fund
is
the
two
percent,
so
that's
like
20
or
30
million,
with
a
budget
of
almost
2
billion.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
that.
D
F
H
K
As
far
as
it
goes
with
the
CIT
and
the
possibility
of
the
future,
we
did
that
with
aft
and
we
waited-
and
we
hoped
and
no
one's
going
to
save
us,
but
us
so
where
you
have
to
spend
money
with
what
we're
looking
at
today,
we
can't
look
forward.
We
can't
worry
about
that.
We
have
to
worry
about
what
our
needs
are
today
and
the
community
has
been
very
clear
that
housing
is
their
need,
so
I
wholeheartedly
support
this.
P
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
from
councilman
Maniscalco,
a
second
from
councilwoman,
her
Tech.
Can
we
have
I'm
sorry
councilman
Carlson
I'm.
Sorry
about
that.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call
vote.
P
B
F
P
Have
a
motion
we
have
from
councilman
Maniscalco
a
second
from
councilman
Carlson
and
in
comments
I
see
councilwoman.
Her
check
would
like
to
speak.
H
F
B
P
B
BA
P
G
P
T
B
E
F
A
B
P
P
A
lot
of
these
issues
and
I
understand
why
people
come
to
council
because
we're
the
most
accessible
government-
and
you
know
we
are
public
facing
so
people
can
come
down
here
and
talk
it's
much
more
difficult.
You
can't
hardly
get
into
the
County
Commission,
it's
very
difficult
because
our
state
capital
is
in
Tallahassee
and,
of
course,
nobody's
going
up
to
Washington
to
to
politics
those
folks
for
the
most
part
unless
you're
paid
lobbyists,
but
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
we're
facing
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
You
know,
even
though
the
budget
looks
huge.
P
Our
discretionary
spending
is
so
significant.
It's
so
small
that
even
the
even
these
things
we're
doing
today,
it's
Band-Aids,
the
housing
crisis
is
so
much
bigger
than
the
city
of
Tampa
can
accommodate.
We
can't
fix
it
and
what
I'm
really
fearful
of
is
I
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
this
they're
still
going
to
be
a
crisis.
P
Does
this
actively
they
go
to
Tallahassee,
but
that's
where
your
voices
really
need
to
be
heard
because
they
control
these
purse.
Strengths
they're,
the
ones
that
can
solve
this.
The
governor
can
solve
this.
The
people
sitting
up
here
on
the
Deus
can't
solve
it.
For
you,
we
can
do
Crisis,
Intervention
I
can
save
people
from
the
street
I
can
give
them
temporary
housing.
P
I
can
put
a
roof
on
a
senior
citizen's
house
with
you
know,
to
keep
them
from
being
homeless,
but
you
know
what
it's
a
band:
it's,
not
even
a
Band-Aid,
it's
just
it's
just
holding
my
finger
on
a
bleeding
artery
and
it's
not
going
to
get
solved
here
tonight.
So
please
take
this
energy
and
direct
direct,
a
proportionate
amount
to
those
folks
that
can
solve
this
problem.
For
you,
it
is
your
state
legislature.
P
It
is
your
federal
government
they're,
the
ones
that
hold
the
first
rings,
they're,
holding
lots
of
money
up
there
that
doesn't
filter
down
to
us.
They
can
get.
They
can
fix
this
problem.
We
can't
so
I'm
all
for
again
Crisis
Intervention
I'm
there
I'm
with
it
reoccurring.
I
know
people
talked
about
longer-term
commitments.
This
Council
can't
do
that.
It's
12
months.
At
a
time
we
passed
the
budget
for
12
months.
At
a
time.
P
That's
all
we
can
do
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
have
a
longer
rate,
but
we
can't
you
know
we
can
have
aspirational
as
people
talked
about
earlier,
but
as
far
as
actually
passing
a
budget,
it's
a
12-month
budget.
I
can't
commit
funds
for
24
months
from
now
or
36
months.
Is
something
I
can't
do
at
this
at
this
at
this
process
tonight
at
this
budget
we
need
to
fund
all
30,
firefighters,
I,
don't
know.
P
But
you
know
what
they
we've
got
vehicles
coming
we've
again,
when
you
call
9-1-1
and
you're,
you
know
your
loved
one's
heart
has
stopped.
You
expect
fire
and
rescue
to
show
up
and
bring
them
back
to
life
for
you
and
we
have
the
vehicles
on
order.
We
need
to
accommodate
those
vehicles
and
we
need
to
put
the
butts
in
the
seats
of
those
of
those
Vehicles
so
that
when
you
do
need
that
crisis
help
they're
there
for
you,
I
I'm,
honestly
I'm
at
a
loss
where
you
know
a
limited
amount
of
money.
P
H
Spent
on
Paving.
B
C
P
P
We
could
still
possibly
use
it
and
maybe
even
more
with
some
of
the
additional
funding,
so
I
don't
want
to
tie
the
hands
of
housing
in
in
any
way
so
that
over
the
next
12
months
we
can
be
creative
with
this
full
funding
stream
that
we're
sending
to
that
department.
If
we
need
more,
let's
say,
there's
a
hotel
that
needs
that
we
can
procure
that
we
can
do
some
debt
Services,
maybe
it's
above
and
beyond
that.
P
You
know
for
temporary
housing
for
Crisis
Intervention
and
if
whatever
that
is
I,
want
to
make
sure
that
in
this
budget,
that
we
have
the
flexibility
of
those
housing
leaders
to
be
be
able
to
use
those
funds
throughout
the
next
12
months
for
the
best
and
greatest
use
of
that
money.
So
I
I,
don't
know
if
that,
because
I
know
it's
in
there,
you
had
debt
Services.
Next
to
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
ability
to
be
flexible.
F
Yeah,
no
thank
you.
This
approximately
1.7
million
dollars.
If
Council
chose
tonight
to
commit
it
to
Debt
Service,
we
would
provide
if
we
have
a
draft
Capital
Improvement
program
for
that
particular
purpose.
If
council's
not
ready
to
do
that
tonight,
they
can
simply
adopt
the
1.658
million
dollars
and
we
would
come
back
to
you
for
for
a
capital
Improvement
program
based
on
the
flexibility
that
you've
talked
about
and
and
and
any
other
time
frames,
for
example,
that
that
you
or
housing
leadership
may
have.
But
what's.
P
K
Yeah
I
totally
disagree
on.
This
is
what
the
housing
department
has
asked
for.
Miss
Travis.
Could
you
come
and
talk
to
us
about
this
and
your
your
goal
for
this
because
I
we
have
the
5.2
million
that
we
just
put
in,
but
we're
we're
focused
on
this
1.6
and
I
I
have
a
lot
of
questions.
I
was
going
to
talk
to
her
about
when
it's
my
turn
so
I
don't
want
to
say
too
much,
but
I
absolutely
do
not
support
not
putting
this
toward
bonding.
J
J
We
use
the
language,
housing
creation
and
preservation
specifically
so
that
we
have
the
flexibility
and
the
latitude
to
do
exactly
what
you
were
talking
about,
so
it
doesn't
say
that
it's
only
for
purchasing
a
land,
but
it
gives
us
the
ability
to
partner
with
developers
if
there
is
a
a
hole
to
be
placed.
You
know
similar
to
a
previous
development
that
you
approved,
so
that
flexibility
is
there
with
the
language.
J
That's
provided
that
we
worked
with
Mr
O'hara
on
that
regarding
coming
back,
we
have
done
full
disclosure,
we've
been
in
front
of
council,
you
know
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
we've
done
the
work,
and
so
we
know
how
we
would
spend
the
money.
We
know
which
programs
would
go,
which
programs
we
would
double
the
revenue
for.
So
we
know
that
tonight
and
so
councilman
her
attack.
If
that's,
you
know
whether
we
need
to
come
back
or
not,
I
can
tell
you
tonight
how
we're
going
to
spend
the
money
so.
P
AM
H
D
C
B
K
You
thank
you.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
Miss
Travis.
You
went
that
far
back
because
I'm
gonna
have
you
come
back.
K
Because
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
critical
to
remember
is
that
we
still
have.
We
do
have
a
housing
crisis,
and
you
know
to
my,
you
know
colleague's
point:
we're
not
going
to
solve
anything,
but
guess
what
we're
also
not
going
to
solve
we're
not
going
to
solve
Paving
we're
not
going
to
solve
public
I
mean
we
are
never
going
to
have
enough
money
to
solve
it
all
we
just
aren't.
K
K
Regular
world
ngos,
non-governmental
organizations
I
know
we.
K
But
or
in
on
the
non-federal
side,
but
so
the
non-profits
that
are
doing
the
work
of
keeping
people
out
of
homelessness
and
all
of
this
work,
but
we're
putting
a
lot
of
money
into
this
and
from
my
understanding,
half
of
that
money
is
simply
going
to
put
people
in
hotels
until
we
can
find
them
permanent
housing.
Is
that
correct.
J
Yes,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
it's
half,
but
yes,
a
great
portion
of
the
money
is
that's
on
your
agenda
for
Thursday
goes
directly
for
temporary
housing
and
it's
called
rapid
re-housing
and
to
make
sure
that
people
are
housing
stable
and
so
yes,
that
money
goes
directly
to
Partners,
like
Salvation
Army,
where
we
pay
for
a
bid.
That's
not
our
item,
one
of
the
items
that
you
pulled
but
Salvation
Army
beds
and
hotel
rooms.
Yes,.
K
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I
know
that
we
supposedly
can't
say
that
we're
going
to
promise
10
million
dollars
to
housing
each
year,
but
I
will
say
that
I
will
promise
10
million
dollars
to
housing
every
year
and
if
nobody
else
wants
to
say
it,
if
other
people
want
to
say
we
have
to
do
it
year
by
year.
I
understand
that.
But
that's
going
to
continue
to
be
for
me
a
promise
at
least
10
million
dollars
a
year
so
that
we
can
get
stuff
done,
and
thank
you
for
that.
K
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
Public
Safety
I
strongly
believe
that
that
eight
million
dollars
from
CIT
should
go
toward
the
fire
station
this
year.
K
B
M
K
Going
to
it's
going
to
vehicles.
M
W
K
What
I
asked
cheap
Tripp
about?
Would
you
rather
go
to
vehicles
or
the
fire
station?
I'm,
sorry
I
swallowed
and
she
said
the
fire
station.
It's.
K
I
K
M
Let
me
if
I
may
inquire
on
that
with
Chief
Tripp
or
or
chief
Bennett
I,
don't
know
if
Chief
trips
here.
M
Yeah,
because
what
what
I
want
to
do
is
make
sure
on
this,
which
is
and
I
also
like
Mr
stocko's
input
on
this,
if
I
may
so,
I
can
make
an
informed
decision
with
this,
which
is
with
the
fire
station
and
obviously
I've
been
fighting
for
this
for
two
two
and
a
half
years
and
one
form
or
another.
M
We
first
got
station
25
now
station
24,
which
is,
if
we're
going
to
fund
eight
million
dollars
this
year
to
a
station,
and
yet
we
don't
have
design
and
it's
going
to
take
anywhere
from
a
conservative,
seven
to
eight
months
to
all
the
way,
12
months
to
finish
the
design
before
we
can
do
shovel
ready
projects
and
we
can
come
in
October
and
buy
and
and
get
the
the
vehicles
and
then
come
in
October
and
talk
about
bonding
for
this
station.
M
We
can
get
the
best
of
both
worlds
right
and
not
dedicate
eight
million
dollars
to
a
station
where
we're
not
even
going
to
have
the
the
shovels
out
there
for
anywhere
from
seven
eight
months
to
12
months.
So
I
and
again
that's
my
Reckoning
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
a
public
safety
expert
or
anything
of
that
nature,
but
I
want
to
check
with
cheap
Tripp
on
that
which
is
what's
what's
your
position
on
that
Miss
Duncan,
Chief,
Bennett,
Mr
stocco,
because
again,
I
I
need
guidance
on
on
this
issue.
M
T
Barbara
trip
fire
chief
attempt
fire
rescue.
The
question
was
asked
to
me
for
one
year
because
I
just
confirmed
would
I
would
rather
have
a
fire
station
or
engine.
So
my
choice
in
one
year,
if
I
can
have
a
fire
station
I'll
take
fire
station.
You
know,
and
that
was
the
question
you
asked
me
I'm
not
you
know
part
of
the
construction.
I,
don't
know
how
long
it
takes.
M
And
when
you
answered
that
question-
and
you
chose
the
term
fire
station,
did
you
believe
that
as
it
was
posted,
it
meant
fire
station
like
bam?
It's
here
right
now
or
you
would
have
to
wait
7
to
12
months
again,
I
I
want
to
find
out
that
we
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
ascertain
what
your
intent
and
rationale
is.
Yeah.
T
M
And
if
I
may,
so,
what
I
want
to
find
out,
because
again,
I
I
defer
a
lot
to
the
fire
chief,
which
is?
Would
you
rather
have
that
eight
million
dollars
to
set
aside
for
a
station
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
shovel
ready
for
anywhere
from
from
what
I
understand
again
I'm,
not
an
expert
from
seven
to
12
months?
Or
would
you
rather
have
that
money
this
year
for
for
fire
vehicles?
Well,
that's
what
I
want
to.
M
T
M
T
If
you
going
to
give
me
a
choice
of
which
one
that's
going
to
come
first,
you
know
I'll
I'll
definitely
take
the
station,
but
you
know
if
I
ordered
a
fire
trucks
either
way,
and
that's
why
I
confirmed
was
it
for
one
year,
but
once
again,
I
don't
know
the
process
I'm,
not
that's
not
my
expertise
and
as
far
as
the
process
of
getting
all
that
done,.
M
Yes,
ma'am
again
we're
and
I.
Think
if
I
may
you
know,
council
members
are
looking
for
guidance
on
this
because
we
want
to
make
sure
to
do
the
right
thing.
But
again
we
want
to
know
what
the
what
the
facts
are
before
us
and
that's
what
we're
looking
for
here.
If.
F
If
I
could
interject
just
from
a
funding
perspective
again,
it's
my
job
to
tell
you
about
the
risks.
The
risk
associated
with
timing
is,
if
you
commit
a
an
amount
of
money,
let's
say
it's:
eight
million
dollars
of
community
investment
tax
to
a
project
that
is
not
or
cannot
move
forward.
Then
you
have
that
funding
sitting
in
advance
and
that
funding
is
losing
value
as
inflation
you
know,
eats
into
it.
M
M
I'm
sorry
losing,
in
other
words,
we're
we're
moving
eight
million
dollars
from
vehicles
does
that
include
Chief
Bennett,
the
vehicle
for
K
Bar
Ranch,
for
example?
No,
no,
okay,
yeah,
because
again
we
eight
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money
and
we
need
to
be
briefed
on
what
this
is.
AZ
John
Bennett
chief
of
staff,
and
thank
you
for
these
questions,
because
they're
critically
important
to
moving
the
fire
service
forward.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
rescue
cars
have
been
ordered
already
and
they're
expected
by
the
end
of
the
year
to
fill
those
operational
needs
in
those
five
rescue
areas.
I
think
the
bigger
concern
is
the
vehicle
replacement
plan
for
fire
and
understanding
that
there
is
a
a
a
timeline
associated
with
ordering
and
receiving
I.
Don't
know
how
much
money
is
used
to
get
that
started
before
they
actually
arrive.
AZ
So
I
would
think
that
the
money
for
the
vehicles,
knowing
that
we
have
the
design
money
and
the
permitting
money
in
the
CIP
for
24.
For
that
timeline.
That
would
be
a
good
balance
and
I
and
I
will
say
since
since
you're
the
chair
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
I
was
just
talking
offline
to
the
mayor
and
knowing
how
much
all
of
council
supports
fire
rescuing.
Getting
those
front
line,
paramedic
and
firefighters
in
place
and
I.
AZ
Also
sidebarred,
with
with
Chief
Tripp,
is
that
we
are
committed
when
those
fire
rescue
vehicles
get
in
place,
that
we
will
look
in
whether
it's
the
first
quarter
or
between
the
first
quarter
and
second
quarter
of
FY
24
to
find
a
way
to
fund
those
other
12
firefighter
paramedics
to
get
the
full
30..
And
we
will
work
on
that
as
we
go.
But
until
those
rescue
cars
come
in,
then
there's
really
not
an
operational
component
to
that
beyond
the
18
that
we
would.
M
M
K
This
gives
us
a
very
public
opportunity
to
make
it
up
to
both
fire
rescue
and
the
public
for
not
getting
that
station
started
in
21
when
it
should
have
been,
and
this
to
me
is
a
commitment
that
says
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can
as
a
council
to
work
really
hard
with
Contract
Services
with
purchasing
whoever
we
have
to
to
speed
this
up.
Get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible
and
get
a
shovel
in
the
ground
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
I.
Don't
disagree,
I.
K
Think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
Bond,
but
in
this
case
it's
something
we
don't
have
to.
We
could
bond
some
of
it,
and
some
of
it
is
better
than
all
of
it
as
we're
all
concerned
about
bonding
and
for
one
year,
I
think
Chief
trip.
That
was
a
really
good
point.
She's,
not
going
to
see
the
fire
truck
this
year
anyway.
K
Great
one,
so
to
me
it's
more
of
a
commitment
thing
and
then
to
me
the
commitment
is
to
give
them
the
money
and
then
also
the
promise
that
we're
going
to
follow
up
and
give
it
the
speed
that
projects
that
this
Council
or
the
city
wants
to
do
get.
When
someone
wants
to
do
something
in
the
city,
it
happens
fast.
Sure.
M
You
for
that
councilwoman,
so
a
couple
of
things
that
I
I
want
to
again
reiterate
this,
because
there's
a
narrative
being
formed
on
24
in
2021,
a
specific
decision
was
made
to
move
for
fire
station
25
in
Sulfur
Springs,
as
opposed
to
24.
M
that
that's
something
that
was
made
specifically
I
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
know
that.
Could
there
be
a
compromise
of
this
where
I
mean
because
if
councilwoman
her
attack
is
looking
for
something
where
we
have
money,
that
shows
that
we
I
I,
don't
recall,
I,
think
Miss,
McCann,
Akila
I
think
said,
put
a
ring
on
it,
where
we,
you
know,
have
funds
that
put
a
ring
on
it,
but
we
don't
give
up
all
that
funding
for
the
other
vehicles,
maybe
where
we
do
50
50.
sure.
Let's.
K
M
If
I
may
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
councilwoman
her
attack
again
for
your,
you
know
championing
this
issue
as
well,
and
that's
much
appreciated
by
all
of
council
and
I
know
all
of
our
friends
in
fire
Etc.
So
how
could
we
work
on
that
with
some
sort
of
a
split?
Is
that
something
that
could
happen
where
we
could
get?
M
You
know
that
that
done
with
the
vehicles
look
at
a
split
two
to
one
50
50
whatever,
so
that
we
can
have
that
symbolic
money
put
down
so
that
we
have
some
skin
in
the
game.
I
think
that's
a
good
compromise
Because
by
the
way.
Nobody
here
wants
to
vote
against
anything
that
pushes
forward
police
or
fire,
because
we
all
support
that.
We
all
want
to
be
on
the
same
page
for
that
and
I
think
getting
away
there.
We
can
do
that.
AZ
N
Yeah,
thank
you
it
for
me.
It's
more
so
about
practicality,
administrator
Duncan
is
here
and
in
our
previous
presentations.
She
came
to
the
podium
last
week.
I
believe
it
was,
and
the
question
was
asked
of
her.
How
long
does
it
take
to
build
so
to
commit
eight
million
dollars,
knowing
what
she
said
in
terms
of
design
Bill,
six
to
eight
six
I
mean
six
months
to
a
year,
and
that
actually
would
be
fast.
Can
you
come
in
respond
to
that?
N
If
that
is
waiting,
it
could
easily
go
to
housing
right
now,
if
it's
something
that
has
to
happen
immediately
versus
it
just
sitting
in
reserves
waiting
for
decisions
to
be
made,
because
implementation
is
going
to
take
a
whole
lot
longer.
N
We
we've
already
committed
to
building
a
fire
station,
but
I,
don't
think
that
this
is
the
best
way
in
terms
of
just
taking
those
particular
eight
million
dollars
just
to
make
you
know
the
fight,
the
men
of,
and
women
of
fire
feel
good,
because
we've
said
yes,
we'll
put
this
eight
million
dollars
here,
knowing
that
you
cannot
build
a
fire
station
within
the
year
or
two,
it's
just
not
possible.
It's
not
practical.
It's
not
that
we
don't
want
it
and
I
believe
Ms
Duncan
can
testify
to
that.
N
Also
in
terms
of
the
vehicles
being
ordered.
Chief
chip
came
to
us
with
her
presentation,
saying
that
there's
a
backlog
with
eight
mil,
so
even
with
the
eight
million
dollars
in
vehicle
replacement,
making
an
invoice
for
that
is
practical
because
at
least
you're
getting
in
line
for
those
vehicles
to
come,
and
that
still
takes
how
much
time
did
you
say
it
was
in
regards
to
that
Chief
trip
you've
already
presented
that
before
about
the
weight,
the
wait
time
for
even
getting
vehicles
was
well.
T
N
I
mean
I
can
see
it
for
that,
because
we're
getting
in
line
for
it,
but
certainly
we
could
allocate
funding
for
station
24
another
way
and
make
that
commitment
in
the
budget,
because
the
design
bill
I
believe
we
have
the
million.
We
have
the
money
there
right
for
the
design
bill
right
now.
N
So
that's
the
thing
that
we
can
commit
to
is
getting
started
that
process
that
funding
that
8
million
doesn't
have
to
sit
and
wait
just
to
make
fire
men
and
women
feel
good,
because
it's
still
not
going
to
happen
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
We
can't
build
anything
fast
and
I
just
want
to
say
this,
because
this
is
just
a
little
sidebar.
Is
that
the
the
Fair
Oaks
project
that
started
in
2020
that
started
in
2020,
with
the
first
motion
being
made
and
the
design
concept
was
brought
to
the
community.
N
You
all
know
that,
because
of
you
know
all
of
the
conversation
around
it
that
design
came
to
us
just
a
few
within
the
past
few
weeks
and
we're
in
September
2023.,
so
I
just
want
to
make
it
a
reality
to
you
that
it
just
is
not
going
to
happen
as
fast
as
Council
would
like
it
to
and
I'm
just
being
practical
on
that.
Thank
you,
chair,
council
member.
Did
you
want
to
say
something
Duncan
I'm,
sorry,
no.
V
We
lay
out
the
acquisition
of
the
property,
including
the
site,
analysis,
the
design
and
the
construction
phasing
within
our
five-year
planning
that
we
do
so
I
think
they
could
speak
to
where
exactly
when
exactly
those
funds
should
be
made
available
for
construction.
We
would,
in
this
first
time
of
starting
to
design,
make
the
decision
whether
we
do
design
bid
build
or
design
build.
Those
are
just
details
that
we
would
be
assessing
when
we
start
the
project,
but
as
far
as
where
the
money
needs
to
be
in
the
budget.
V
V
V
Cfo,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
was
wanting
to
ask
if
you
could
share
with
the
council
the
logistics
of
where
we
play
when
we
place
the
money
in
the
budget,
knowing
that
we
will
have
a
construction
commitment
at
some
point
in
time.
F
Thank
you
again.
You
saw
this
schedule
earlier
and
we
will
presuming
Council
wants
to
go
forward
with
this
project
through
the
use
of
debt
funding.
We
would
time
the
debt
funding
again
to
maximize
or
actually
to
minimize
the
amount
of
time
we're
sitting
on
that
funding.
If
there's
anything,
I
hate
it's
sitting
on
money,
we
want
to
spend
it
because
again,
every
day
that
goes
by,
we
lose
value
and
if
it's
borrowed
money
every
day
that
goes
by
we've
got
to
pay
interest
on
it.
F
So
you
see
the
schedule
here
again:
I
defer
to
contract
Administration
and
Ms
Duncan
as
to
whether
this
schedule
can
be
accelerated
or
not.
That's
not
my
expertise,
but
you
you
see
what
we've
got
now
pardon
me
and
by
the
time
the
bulk
of
the
expense
comes
Due
based
on
this
plan
again
well
ahead
of
time,
we'll
bring
Council
a
reimbursement
resolution,
so
we
can
start
spending
money
and
get
paid
back
as
council
is
familiar
with,
but
we'll
also
bring
you
the
debt
The
Debt
Service
approval
documents.
F
Does
that
does
that
answer?
Does
that
answer
your
question?
We
yeah
we,
we
wouldn't
go
out
and
get
debt
tomorrow,
for
instance,
because
we
won't
be
spending
that
money
according
to
this
schedule
for
some
time,
so
we
want
to
time
it.
So
we
don't
have
that
interest
payment
for
longer
than
is
necessary.
F
Yeah,
based
on
this
schedule,
yes,
that
fund
that
funding
will
be
sitting
in
advance
and
and
losing
value.
Okay,
now
again
what
I
know?
What
was
surface,
though,
was
the
timing
associated
with
vehicle
vehicle
purchase
and
the
payment
there.
If,
if
the
vehicle
purchases
are
not
going
to
take
place,
any
sooner
than
you've
got
the
funding
being
held
in
advance
either
way,
but
my
understanding
is
the
vehicle
purchase
process
is
faster
and.
BB
Again,
state
law
to
prepay
for
items
you
pay
for
it
when
you
receive
them.
Okay,
and
just
like
we
sort
of
talked
before
you
want
to
apply
the
right
funding
source
to
what
you're
buying.
So
do
you
want
to
invest
a
a
dead
instrument
into
an
asset
that
it
will
have
a
long
life
such
as
a
fire
station?
24
we've
fire
station
10
is
95
years
old
fire
station,
another
one's
over
100
years
old,
so
obviously
fire
station
24
will
be
around
you
want
to
use
debt
financing
for
that.
BB
Just
like
we
talked
in
the
last
couple
weeks
about
intergenerational
equity,
councilman
McLendon,
now
that
eight
million
dollars
what
we
can
do
with
that
eight
million
dollars
in
the
vehicles
is
locked.
The
prices.
In
now
we
enter
into
a
contract
like
I,
guess
you're
going
to
enter
some
contracts
for
vehicle
purchases.
You
do
that
on
most
your
Council
meetings,
you
lock
that
price
in
and
then
we
don't
pay
that
until
we
actually
receive
the
asset
understood.
BB
Money
remains
in
the
in
this
particular
case:
the
community
investment
program,
six
fund.
It
draws
interest
first,
so
that
that
you
know
when
you
do
fund
accounting.
It's
really
a
separate
bank
account
money
is
received
in
there.
Money
is
dispersed
in
there
and
the
when
the
accounting
office
receives
the
the
monthly
interest
the
allocated
base
on
the
on
the
average
cash
balances
throughout
the
city.
So
again
it's
self-contained.
We
know
exactly
how
much
it
occurs
in
this
particular
case.
We'll
transfer
the
money
to
a
a
vehicle
purchase
fund,
specifically
for
program
six
CIT.
BB
BB
N
We
promised
12
million.
Did
you
all
promise
12
million
dollars
to
build
a
fire
station
and
if
so,
what
year
was
that
where's
that
money?
It
seems.
K
Like
thank.
F
You're
22
as
part
of
the
capital
Improvement
program,
there
was
I
think
it
was
going
off
memory
about
11.7
million
dollars
anticipated
for
fiscal
year,
23
the
following
fiscal
year
again
and
that
funding
source
was
anticipated
to
be
Debt
Service,
when
yeah
and
and
when
that,
when
that,
when
that
project
was
delayed,
we
obviously
didn't
issue
that
didn't
issue
The
Debt
Service,
because
no
ex
no
funding
was
needed
at
that
time.
D
Thank
you
a
few
things
one
councilmember
has
been
working
on
this
project
for
several
years
and
I
seconded
to
keep
it
moving
if
you
would
rather
second,
instead
you're
welcome
to
do
that.
Oh
no,
no
number,
two
to
the
point.
My
my
colleague
councilmember
Henderson,
which
is
saying
you
know
we
councilman
Pierre,
has
been
working
on
this
three
or
four
years
and
we
all
thought
it
was
approved
a
year
or
more
ago,
and
then
we
found
out
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago
that
it
didn't
move
forward.
D
We
were
never
told
that
it
didn't
before.
Then
somebody
made
the
decision
not
to
move
it
forward.
My
understanding
even
was
on
the
1.4
million
or
whatever,
on
design
that
that
was
moving
forward.
I
I
I
mean
you're,
saying
that
nothing
was
done,
there's
no
design.
Nothing
that's
been
done
in
the
last
year.
Forget
that
question
my
I
think
what
my
what
my
colleagues
are
trying
to
do
is
figure
out.
How
do
we
move
this
forward
as
quickly
as
possible?
There
are
other
projects
that
move
forward
quickly.
D
We
know
from
talking
to
Firefighters
that
lives
are
at
risk
and
I
don't
want
to
go
into
details
with
case
studies,
but
lives
are
at
risk
and
we
need
these
fire
stations
open
as
soon
as
possible
to
save
people
like
someone
said
if
somebody
has
a
heart
attack
and
we
don't
get
there
in
time
they
die.
So
what
do?
Is
there
nothing?
We
can
do
to
speed
this
up.
We
thought
it
would
would
be
mostly
done
by
now
and
we
just
found
out
it
wasn't
moved
forward
at
all.
F
D
D
Me
off,
but,
but
you
know,
we
have
a
new
person
in
charge
of
the
contract.
Administration
I
agree
with
Mr
Robinson.
We
need
to
put
contract
Administration
with
purchasing,
not
not
somewhere
else,
but
somebody
needs
to
figure
out
how
to
move
this
quickly
so
that
we
can
save
people's
lives
and
we've
got
more
than
just
one.
We
need
to
do,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
to
speed
it
up.
We.
V
Can
certainly
look
at
doing
a
design,
build
approach,
that
design,
build
approach
will
save
us
time
versus
designed
and
Builders
advantages
and
disadvantages
to
both,
but
if
time
is
of
the
essence,
which,
obviously
it
is
here,
we
can
work
to
put
a
design
criteria
package
together,
obviously
prioritize
it
in
terms
of
getting
it
out
and
procured.
There
are
steps
we
have
to
go
through
legally
with
procurement
in
terms
of
advertising
and
giving
proper
notice
to
bidders.
But
again
in
terms
of
our
internal
priorities,
we
can
certainly
make
it
a
priority.
D
I
would
just
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion,
but
I
would
just
ask
Ms
Duncan
and
anybody
who's
involved
with
this
Chief
maybe
come
back
to
us
within
the
next
month
or
something
and
let
us
know
what
you're
doing
to
speed
it
up.
I
think
the
public
is
very
very
concerned
as
they're
starting
to
learn
about
this
they're
very
concerned
about
their
safety,
and
they
would
like
it
speed
up
the
last
minute.
I
have
can
I
ask
Mr
stock?
Oh,
do
you
have
anything
else
to
add.
R
Is
the
schedule
that
we're
currently
looking
at
and
it
it
is
being
presented
today
with
the
start
of
fiscal
year?
2024.
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
efforts
and
with
all
due
respect,
a
little
history
lesson.
This
is
the
schedule
from
fiscal
year
2020
and
if
you
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
there
was
230
a
thousand
dollars
from
what
appears
to
be
some
design
money
slotted
for
fiscal
year
21..
R
So
this
is
in
fiscal
year,
20
to
24,
with
the
project
number
and
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
design
money
fast
forward
to
today
it
might
be
one
and
a
half
million
for
design
money,
but
the
longer
we
wait,
the
more
things
will
get
more
expensive.
We
can
fast
forward
from
fiscal
year
2020
to
this
Capital
Improvement
plan
schedule
that
references.
R
These
estimates
where
it
says
230
000
for
the
budget
to
date
as
well
as
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
excuse
me
I'm,
trying
to
read
it
for
650
000,
you
see
land,
you
see
some
other
figures
there
and
you
see
where
the
funding
came
from.
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
it
was
where
this,
where
this
money
is
coming
from,
and
it
appears
if
we've
heard
it's
from
debt
Services.
However,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
where
the
money
is
coming
from
is
the
issue
it's
the
implementation.
Like
it
was
said
earlier.
R
This
is
all
history
where
we've
had
these
discussions
over
and
over
and
over
again
at
the
round
table
as
to
whether
it's
a
Debt
Service
or
if
it's,
if
it's
one
of
the
firefighters
paying
for
it
or
whoever
it's
implementing
it
and
putting
it
in
the
plane
into
action
so
where
the
money
coming
from
it
appears
that
it
was
in
debt
services
in
the
in
the
past.
However,
the
implementation
seems
to
be
where
we're
stuck.
P
Take
money
out
of
CIT
for
vehicle
replacement,
put
it
into
this
fire
station
I
believe,
based
on
the
testimony
that
we've
heard,
because
this
is
going
to
be
done
through
debt
services
and
bonding
that
that
really
is
not
a
need
to
finance
this.
It
appears
to
be
where
the
concern
is.
Is
the
implementation
schedule
I,
Believe,
Miss
Duncan
addressed
that
as
far
as
Expediting
the
construction
of
the
station
I,
don't
know
where
how
we
can
craft
ordinances
mandating
that,
but
I
think
that
we've
been
heard
loud
and
clear
that
we
want
it
accelerated.
P
That
being
said,
the
CIT
money
for
vehicle
replacement
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
realize
that
what
Dyer
needs
both
the
police
and
fire
have
in
the
vehicles
and
again
what
the
what
what
our
CFO
just
said.
We
need
to
commit
this
funds
now,
because
that
locks
in
the
prices
we're
still
going
to
have
it
at
interest,
bearing
account,
but
we
lock
in
the
prices.
So
we
know
because
who
knows
what
inflation
is
going
to
bring
for
the
next?
You
know
12
to
24
months.
We
know
what
needs
of
our
vehicle
replacement
program.
P
AZ
Again,
John
Bennett
Chief
of
Staff,
one
of
the
questions
I
asked
of
the
budget
office
when
everybody
was
discussing.
This
is
what
is
the
backlog
of
the
the
replacement
vehicles
and
it's
over
60
million
dollars,
61
million
dollars
of
the
vehicle
replacement
plan
for
fire
rescue
and
so
again,
just
to
help
with
the
prioritization
discussion.
AZ
That
said,
if
you
look
at
over
what
councilman
Vera
talked
about
when
we
saw
what
was
going
on
in
station
13
and
it
was
exposed
when
we
first
got
here,
we
really
did
add.
We
have
three
stations
within
proximity
of
each
other,
13
already
existed.
25
was
adapted
to
thanks
to
Chief,
Tripp
and
and
contract
admin
and
everybody
else
who
renovated
that
station
and
we
actually
have
a
24..
It's
co-located
with
13,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
now,
is
decouple
that
and
put
it
in
the
right
spot.
AZ
AZ
So
that's
to
me
all
the
decision
support
on
the
table
tonight
and
that's
why
the
mayor
and
all
of
you
we
want
to
commit
to
getting
those
30
firefighters
on
the
street
this
fiscal
year
with
those
five
rescue
vehicles
that
are
already
ordered
and
expected
to
be
here
in
the
beginning
of
the
year.
Thank.
P
You
and
lastly,
I
want
to
address
and
I'm
going
to
hearken
back
to
something
I
said
earlier
about
the
different
roles
of
government,
City,
County,
state
and
federal.
There
are
some
things
that
are
just
you
know
that
have
have
multiple
funding
streams.
They
come
from
different
sources
and
then
there's
other
things
that
it
is
just
the
city
that
can
come
in
and
rescue.
You
know
it's
just
the
city
now
I'll,
you
know,
obviously
you
know
Grant
here
or
there,
but
providing
for
our
police
providing
for
our
firefighter
Paving
our
roads,
fixing
our
own
Parks.
P
There's
nobody
coming
to
the
rescue.
This
has
to
be
done
within
the
city
of
Tampa.
So
these
are
the
things
that
we
have
to
do.
Nobody
there
isn't
any
outside
money.
A
lot
of
the
other
things
we've
talked
about,
including
housing.
There
are
multiple
how
funding
streams
coming
from
multiple
sources,
but
nobody's
coming
to
nobody's
coming
to
build
us.
A
station
nobody's
coming
to
you
know,
give
us
fire
trucks
nobody's
coming
to
hire
a
police
officer.
You
know
again,
except
for
these
I'm,
going
to
be
totally
intellectually
honest.
P
So,
every
once
in
a
while,
we
get
these
grants,
but
generally
that's
something.
We
have
to
do
ourselves
and
nobody's
going
to
come
and
pave
your
roads.
Only
your
neighborhood
roads
are
only
going
to
be
done
by
the
city,
the
county,
roads
they're
supposed
to
do
their
thing,
but
within
the
city
roads,
your
neighborhood
street,
the
only
person
that's
going
to
do.
That
is
your
is
the
city
of
Tampa
and
that's
it.
Thank.
M
You
very
much
so
I
I've
asked
a
lot
of
questions
and
I.
Think
Council
has
and
I
think
the
decision
we're
going
to
make
is
based
upon
the
the
responses.
We've
gotten
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
I
I
haven't
gotten
specificity
that
I
would
like
on
these
vehicles
in
terms
of
where
they're
going
to
go.
Things
are
a
little
bit
vague,
I'm.
Just
being
honest
from
what
I
understand
right
now,
the
eight
million
dollar
is
going
to
sit
there
of
that
itself.
M
If
I'm
incorrect,
please
somebody
tell
me
the
million
dollars
is
just
going
to
sit
there
and
if
we
dedicate
it
to
the
vehicles,
we
lock
in
the
price
now
right.
M
So
if
councilwoman
her
attack
is
wisely
looking
for
some
sort
of
a
skin
in
the
game,
I
guess,
if
you
will
for
station
24,
you
know
whether
it's
4
million,
because
you
talked
about
50
50
or
3
million
or
2
million
widths,
just
to
make
it
a
substantial
number
so
that
there's
buy-in
so
that
we
can
use
as
much
of
this
money
to
lock
in
the
value
for
the
for
the
vehicles
and
whatnot
I.
M
Think
the
real
critical
issue
here
is
that,
no
matter
what
we
do,
I
am
going
to
motion
on
Thursday
to
have
that
discussion
on
government
bonds
and
bonds
coming
back
instead
of
December
to
October,
because
we
need
to
have
that
discussion
frankly
and
I'm
not
going
to
have
this
discussion
this
evening.
I'd
love
to
have
a
poll
of
counsel
on
who
would
be
amenable
to
borrowing
for
fire
stations
and
whatnot.
Is
this
going
to
help
us
win
somebody's
vote?
You
know
taking
out
a
million
or
whatever
is?
M
Is
you
know
skin
in
the
game
down
payment?
Whatever?
Is
that
going
to
help?
Because
that's
going
to
be
the
only
way
that
we're
going
to
get
this
done,
we
didn't
improve
more
Revenue.
It
is
what
it
is,
and
now
we're
looking
at
our
only
options
on
this
I
I
want
to
confirm
again.
This
is
money,
that's
not
coming
from
the
police.
This
is
not
money.
M
That's
coming
from
that
vehicle
for
for
K,
Bar
Ranch
and
to
Mr
stocko
here
with
the
Union
I
want
to
make
sure
which
is
do
you
if,
if
and
I
would
obviously
defer
to
councilwoman
hertak
in
this
regard?
But
if
we
were
to
take
some
funds
out
of
that
eight
million
dollars
to
put
it
as
a
down
payment
for
skin
in
the
game
for
station
24,
and
then
we
would
lose
potentially
a
million
whatever
it
may
be
for
to
to
lock
in
vehicles.
What
would
the
Union's
position
on
that
be?
M
R
Stock
of
Tampa,
firefighters,
president
I,
think,
I
appreciate
your
remarks
and
I
agree.
What
you're
saying,
however,
I
think
we
learned
something
at
least
I
did
that's
pretty
valuable.
R
Not
too
long
ago
we
heard
15
rescues,
five
engines,
two
Heavies
a
tiller
and
a
vote
paid
for
today,
we're
hearing
we
don't
pay
for
them
until
we
receive
them.
So
if
we
ordered
those
vehicles
and
they
do
come,
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
have
those
funds
available
in
case
the
vehicles
come
next
month.
If
we
do
have
to
pay
for
them
next
month,
and
that's
just
from
what
I
learned
I
think
Within
These
last
10
minutes.
R
Okay,
so
thank
you,
yeah
I
I,
wasn't
sure
of
that,
and
if
the
price
were
to
go
up,
if
we
can
lock
something
in
if
we're
locking
something
in
on
prices
for
vehicles,
if
we're
not
going
to
make
any
leeway
with
the
eight
million
dollars
because
contract
with
all
due
respect,
because
contract
admin
or
whichever
group
team,
whichever
takes
a
year
to
survey
Land
Design,
draw
build,
whichever
the
money
would
be
best
utilized
to
lock
in
some
kind
of
price
for
the
down
payment
on
the
vehicles.
R
M
B
M
Thank
you
very
much
so
question
for
you
because
again,
I
don't
know
where
councilwoman
her
tax
is
going
to
go
with
her
motion.
But
if
a
motion
was
before
us
to
dedicate,
let's
say
a
million
of
that
eight
million
dollars
for
whatever
ever
you
want
to
call
it
putting
skin
in
the
game
for
station
24.
Would
you
favor
that,
or
rather
have
that
money
to
lock
in
vehicle
prices
and
look
at
an
October
discussion
on
bonds
again
I'm
just
wanting
information
guys
right.
R
Yeah
we
we
definitely
are.
The
union
is
definitely
very
far
behind
on
station
24
and
we
appreciate
the
enthusiasm
for
years
from
councilman
Viera
and
now
you
know
it's
a
spirit
of
my
councilman
hertek.
We
do
need
to
lock
something
in.
We
do
need
to
have
some
kind
of
progress
report,
whether
it's
monthly
or
every
two
months
on
where
we're
making
leeway
with
this.
R
R
It
takes
from
one
of
the
information
that
I
gathered
it
takes
a
year
or
less
for
the
surveying,
planning,
land
and
prep
phase
and
then
about
a
year
from
groundbreaking
to
ribbon,
cutting
so
I
hope.
The
goal
is
less
than
two
years.
W
K
F
The
66
three
thousand
dollars
gets
you
a
maximum
debt,
bonding
capacity
of
20
million
dollars.
W
A
F
K
Have
to
bond
more!
Thank
you
that
answers
my
question
because
again,
as
I
talked
to
Beau,
Chief,
Tripp
and
Mr
stocko
and
the
firefighters
and
visiting
those
stations,
those
stations
are
not
rehabbable
and
it's
not
a
good
idea
to
throw
good
money
after
bad
I,
hope,
I
say
that
right
or
bad
money
after
good,
so
I.
The
other
thing
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
fix
station
nine
Chief
trip
is
to
actually
be
able
to
find
and
buy
and
build
a
new
Fleet
Services
station,
which
is
currently
co-located
with
station.
K
K
B
M
Y
K
P
AU
P
Because
so
that,
but
so
that's
so
it's
not
like,
we
can't
take
that
663
525
out,
because
that's
going
to
go
towards
bonding
to
be
able
to
do
for
those
other
two
stations.
We
just
won't
be
spending
much.
If
we
can't
spend
money
and
probably
in
fiscal
year,
24
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
spend
money
on
mine.
Is
that
what.
K
P
Ten
here's
the
problem
with
that
is
that
and
I
I,
like
where
you're
going
with
this
better
than
the
last
motion,
so
I'm
I
think
we're
moving
the
right
direction.
The
problem
is,
the
firefighters
are
working
in
stations
that
are
really
below
human
standards.
You
know,
so
we
have
an
immediate
need
and
I
understand
what
you
say
about
nine,
but
in
six
and
ten
we
have
an
immediate
need,
and
so
this
is
debt
services
to
be
able
to.
P
P
K
P
P
T
Neither
one
of
those
have
those
are
two
of
the
ones
that
don't
have
the
ALS
transport
units
in
it
and
as
a
stable
station
sits
down
being
a
specialty
unit.
Port
Tampa,
that's
one
of
the
stations
I
would
love
to
put
a
five
base
station,
so
it
can
have
all
the
resources
that
it
need
to
fulfill
the
specialty
that
includes
the
foam
truck
the
Decon
trailer,
the
rest
of
the
car
hit
truck
and
as
well
as
the
engine.
T
So
we
was
looking
at
property
close
by
in
the
area
next
to
it
and,
of
course,
been
unsuccessful
so
far,
but
I've
still
been
looking
and
station
10,
it's
already
like
a
two-story,
but
no
land.
Nowhere
around
it.
Once
we
get
the
fleet
and
Supply
together.
My
plan
was
to
take
station
10
and
put
it
at
the
supply
building,
which
is
a
block
away
to
be
able
to
expand
that.
P
F
Now,
thank
you.
If
I'm
a
dense
repair,
Chief
Financial
Officer,
we
have
draft
Capital
Improvement
projects
for
each
of
these
fire
stations.
After
talking
with
the
fire
department,
contract,
Administration
and
Facilities.
Now
these
are
complete
reconstructions.
You
know,
with
the
exception
of
fire
station
10
is
a
is
a
demolition
and
build
from
the
ground
up
and
we've
got
these
again
depending
upon
which
direction
Council
wanted
to
go
tonight
or
wants
to
go
in
the
future.
But
you
summed
it
up,
sir,
it's
certainly
20
million
dollars
is
not
going
to
be
adequate.
F
You've
already
seen
a
fire
station
24.
If
I
can
show
you
the
fire,
maintenance
and
Supply,
you
can
see
that's
about
a
35
million
million
dollar
anticipated
project
quite
a
bit
of
it
for
land,
and
then
you
see
the
bulk
of
the
of
the
other
y
other
than
land,
the
bulk
of
the
expense
out
in
fiscal
year
2027
and,
as
we've
already
discussed,
I
believe
councilwoman.
Her
Tech
said
this
has
to
be
done
before
you
can
move
on
fire
station
nine.
F
F
F
That
was
that
was
what
was
mentioned
during
the
workshop
and
and
put
on
the
sheets
of
paper.
It's
certainly
countable.
P
K
How
about
this?
How
about
no
no
seriously
I
mean
this
is
we're
making
sausage.
So
why
don't
we
take
this
663
525
and
instead
of
fire
station
6,
9
and
10,
we
put
it
toward
the
building
or
the
the
finding
the
acquisition
for
the
Fleet,
Maintenance
and
supply
I'd
love
to
put
another
million
into
it.
I
think
that's
necessary
because
of
the
time
and
effort,
so
I
would
say:
1.663
yada
yada
for
putting
toward
station
24
or
station
24
already
has
their
stuff.
K
P
Something
from
this
Council
as
far
as
renovating
the
the
conditions
that
they're
working
and
living
in
these
stations
that
we
had
to
take
proof
positive
steps
and
some
of
these
stations
that
I
want
a
station
has
mold
in
it
for
God's
sakes,
you
don't
expect
people
to
work
on
that.
So
I'm
just
Gravely
concerned
that
this
budget
item
is
woefully
inadequate.
How
we
find
the
additional
money,
I
don't
know,
do
we
take?
Do
we
pull
more
from
General
Reserve.
F
P
F
We
use
Bond
kind
of
reflexively,
but
we
would
only
issue
a
bona
fide
30-year
Bond.
When
we'd
amassed
all
of
the
expenses,
we
think
we're
going
to
have
we'd
use
short-term
debt
to
get
us
through.
You
know,
whatever
time
frame
based
on
when
we
can
spend
the
money
when
the
actions
can
be
taken.
You
know
from
Administration
perspective,
so.
P
V
Gene
Duncan
infrastructure
Mobility.
My
apologies
was
having
a
sidebar
with
our
chief
of
staff.
If
you
don't
mind
councilman,
if
you
could
just
repeat
the
question,
make
sure.
P
You
get
a
good
answer,
I
mean
because
what
we're
hearing
we
have
imminent
problems
with
six
nine
and
ten
nine
is
good
a
multiplier
because
it
requires
a
relocation
of
Fleet
Services.
So
we
need
to
do
that
so
so
does
10.
Okay,
so
does
10..
So
right
now,
what's
in
this
budget,
that's
proposed
by
the
mayor
is
that
663
525,
which
would
be
money
to
to
borrow
20
million
dollars
in
debt
in
fiscal
year
24.?
Is
that
sufficient
to
get
6
9,
10
and
Fleet
Services
rolling
in
24?
V
I
can
say,
certainly
that's
gonna
be
rolling.
What
I
would
I
would
say
is
I
agree
with
councilwoman
hertag
that
there's
a
prioritization
strategy
here
and
I'm,
just
speaking
from
a
project
management
perspective,
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
all
the
details.
However,
to
me
the
first
priority
is
the
Fleet
Maintenance
facility
and
location
and
land.
For
that,
because
one
set
is
identified
and
on
the
way,
then
the
logistics
of
the
other
fire
station
needs
are
much
more
easily
solved,
so
I
would
agree,
certainly
with
councilman
hertek.
V
If
we
can
make
that
a
priority
in
the
meanwhile,
there
was
mentioned
of
mold
and
some
other
things
with
some
of
these
fire
stations.
We
do
have
a
listing
of
all
the
things
we
have
done
recently
that
are
rehab
items
that
are
within
the
realm
of
reasonableness.
Considering
that
we
know
we
have
to
rebuild
and
we'll
continue
to
address
those
type
of
things
while
we're
pursuing
the
bigger
approach
of
the
Fleet
Maintenance
location
and
then
the
ultimate
rebuilding
of
these
stations.
P
So,
okay,
so
this
is
so.
This
is
what
I'm
hearing
now
we
have
to
solve.
The
fleet
maintenance
facility
I
think
that
we
could
kind
of
within
this
budget
item.
It
sounds
to
me
what
we
could
do
is
since
we're
obviously
gonna
have
to
tear
down
a
couple
of
stations,
which
means
we
have
to
just
go
into
the
design
phase
as
well,
which
is
a
time
time
consuming.
So
this
money
would
be
adequate
to
do
exactly
what
councilwoman
hertek
said.
K
W
K
K
K
W
K
P
We
have
to
blend
because
if
we're
gonna
have
to
relocate
these
stations
because
we
can't
tear
down
the
historic
structures,
we
have
to
do
land
acquisition.
So
there's
a
lot
of
other
components
that
we
could
with
this
with
this
debt
this
year
for
24,
we
could
accomplish
all
of
those
the
the
first
level
and
24
for
land
acquisition
plan.
W
P
Well,
this
is
a
perfect
rebuilding.
A
generational
financing
of
a
station
that
we're
building
is
a
perfect
good
reason
to
go
out
of
debt.
It
says
instead
of
the
one-offs,
so
you
know
you
build
a
station
that
is
going
to
be
my
God.
We've
got
these
ones
that
are
100
years
old
right,
but
the
third
of
your
life
expectancy.
You
could
you
that
is
a
perfectly
reasonable
thing
to
finance
for
30
years,
so
that
the
residents
that
are
coming
to
Tampa
pay,
their
Fair
Park.
P
So
I
think
that
that's
a
really
good
the
best
that
Services
that's
a
good
way
to
do
debt
Services!
Well,
you
don't
want
to
do
that.
Services!
You
don't
want
to
use
money
to
buy
for
one-offs,
I
mean
this
is
this
is
not
a
one-off.
This
is
something
this
is
infrastructure
that
will
make
that
have
multi-year
lifespan.
F
And
I'm,
sorry
just
to
clarify
I,
don't
think
that's
what's
being
said,
but
I
want
to
clarify,
nobody's
talking
about
bonding
or
issuing
Debt
Service
based
on
the
community
investment
tax
funding,
because
that
sunsets
in
a
couple
of
years:
okay,
just
okay!
Thank
you!
That'll.
K
We
can
use
cash
I
think
we
use
cash
so
just
conservatively
Miss
Duncan.
What
what
can
we
actually
accomplish
in
this
next
fiscal
year?
And
what
do
you
think
the
cost
might
be
I'll.
V
Answer
the
first
part
of
your
question:
first
I
completely
agree
that
the
priority
and
chief
trip
agrees
with
me.
The
fleet
maintenance
facility
is
a
priority
because,
because
that
allows
the
opportunity
for
the
logistics
to
come
into
place
for
the
other
station
rebuilds,
we
can
also
start
the
process
of
concept
design
for
those
stations
which
will
include
some
time
consuming
steps
such
as
coordinating
with
shippo,
which
is
the
State
Office
of
historic
preservation,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know,
because
there's
historical
structures
that
adds
a
whole
other
element
of
time
and
complexity.
V
So
we
can
do
the
conceptual
design
for
these
stations
as
we're
developing
the
acquisition
plans
and
site
analysis
for
the
fleet
fire
maintenance
facility.
We
can
get
that
going.
We
will
get
that
going
next
year,
then
the
other
pieces
will
start
to
fall
into
place
for
the
Reconstruction
of
the
other
stations
in
the
meanwhile,
we
will
do
anything
necessary
and
reasonable
to
ensure
that
those
existing
stations
are
safe
for
our
firefighters
in
terms
of
mold
and
so
forth
that
we
have
invested
a
good
amount
of
funding
in
those
sessions
already
to
ensure
their
safety.
A
K
P
L
P
K
Yeah
and
I,
so
I
still
have
emotion
on
the
floor,
and
so
what
I'll
do
is
I
would
still
like
a
million
dollars
to
go
into
24
for
our.
K
M
Thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you,
Council
woman.
Her
attack
for
your
I
mean
I
I.
Think
we.
What
we
see
here
is
the
result
of
of
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
done
before
Council,
so
just
to
be
publicly
saluted
in
that
regard.
I
think
this
is
a
compromise
I'm
fine
with
in
that
regard,
now
we're
going
to
be
talking
in
October
on
debt
right
for
these
fire
stations,
and
you
know
I
I
I'm
not
going
to
ask
for
a
poll
of
counsel,
because
that's
obnoxious,
I'm.
M
K
My
promotion
again
for
clarity
is
from
the
CIT
to
put
towards
station
24
as
our
Olive
Branch
and
understanding
that
we
are
going
to
work
incredibly
hard
all
year
to
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible,
hopefully
getting
shovel
and
ground,
and
to
take
this
663
525
in
the
public
safety
for
fire
station
6,
9,
10,
Debt
Service
to
also
include
Fleet,
Maintenance
and
Supply,
so
that
we
can
get
all
of
the
planning
for
these
four
five
entities
going
at
once.
K
P
P
BB
P
K
I
P
Gives
you
a
potential
of
20
million
dollars
in
debt
to
be
able
to
to
fund
what
you
need
to
fund
in
fiscal
year?
24.?
Yes,
sir,
and
you
may
use
short-term
debt
initially
until
you
find
out
what
the
full
cost
is?
Yes,
so
that
that
gives
us
a
full
20
million
dollars
of
of
of
flexible
spending
in
24..
The
8
million
dollars
in
CIT
gives
us
eight
million
dollars
that
you
put
down
now
to
lock
in
the
prices
of
these
vehicle
Replacements.
P
P
G
G
So
you're
paying
660
some
almost
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars
for
the
bonding
process
to
get
to
the
20.
yep.
Yes,
sir
I
wanted
the
public
to
understand
that
because
we
haven't
brought
it
up.
We've
been
talking
about
the
fees,
but
we
haven't
specifically
said
why
and
like
we're
talking
about
six,
nine
and
ten,
but
no
one's
ever
told
the
public.
We're
six.
Nine
and
ten.
Is
that
I
think
six
is
at
Palmetto
Beach
the
little
one
and
where
is
10
at
minus
and
Chestnut.
B
B
If
we're
going
to
be
bonding
this
taking
the
600
and
some
odd
thousand
to
get
to
20
million
dollars,
why
not
just
get
that
one
million
from
that
20
million
bonding
instead
of
taking
it
from
the
CIT
which
depletes
well,
it
takes
us
a
million
dollars
less.
So
if
these
vehicles,
they
call
us
next
week-
and
they
say,
hey
your
order's
ready.
We
want
the
eight
million
dollar
check
and.
K
F
We,
if,
if
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I,
think
I
think
everybody's
describing
it
accurately
just
differently,
it's
20
or
21
million
dollars
for
fire
stations
and
seven
or
eight
million
dollars
for
five
fire
vehicles.
B
Yes,
that's
the
thing
is
we're
taking
the
million
dollars
away,
that's
already
sitting
in
a
checking
account
that
we
can
write
a
check
to
buy
X
vehicle
if
it
becomes
available
whenever
it
becomes
I
know
it's
it's
it's
on
order.
What
happens
if
we
say
you
know
we
have
an
eight
million
dollar
bill.
We
only
have
seven
million
dollars
to
pay
for
it.
Then
what
happens
because
you.
F
B
F
I
think
I
think
that's
like
maybe
an
engine
in
an
ambulance.
Okay,.
K
000.,
no,
it
can
be
I
I
believe
that.
T
K
Then
fine,
y'all
I'll,
take
the
1
million
off
I
mean
if
this
is
such
a
big
deal,
but
what
the
bigger
deal
is
is
to
get
stations.
Six,
nine
ten
but
more
importantly,
I
want
the
order
to
be
Fleet
and
Supply
focused
on
this
year.
Then,
looking
at
nine
ten,
ten
and
six,
because
nine
can't
be
done
until
we
move
Fleet
10
can't
be
done
until
because
she
wants
to
move
it
to
where
Supply
is
now.
So
we
it's
it's
a
domino
effect.
I.
P
Agree
with
the
prioritization
of
the
Fleet
Services,
obviously
from
the
testimony
we've
heard,
I
think
that
we've
been
there's
some
opportunities
for
land
procurement
and
design
and
development
that
they
could
do
within
the
budgets
that
we're
going
to
pass
as
as
presented
to
council.
So
I
would
call
the
question
so.
K
It
up
my
motion
is
to
to
you
know:
leave
leave
the
money
for
the
the
CIT,
but
to
take
that
funding
for
663-525
and
prioritize
moving
finding.
Q
B
Have
a
motion:
we
have
a
second
council
member
clenden:
let's
have
a
roll
call.
C
N
C
Y
D
Y
K
Yes,
I
do
nothing
that
long.
What
I
would
like
is
the
CIP
cips,
then
to
be
updated
to
no
longer
being
like
2027
no
longer
having
those
gaps
so
2020
our
citation
24
was
not
going
to
be
breaking
ground
until
26..
K
B
F
V
V
K
That
that
will
do
then
I.
Don't
need
emotion
on
that,
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
want
well
I
want
to
clarify
that
that,
because
it's
not
in
the
paper-
and
you
said
that
it
was
a
mistake
but
I
wanted
just
to
make
sure
that
that
16
million
in
CIT
eight
million
does
go
to
police
and
8
million
does
go
to
fire.
Yes,.
E
K
Okay
and
I
want
to
make
a
motion
for
a
financial
resolution
outlining
the
debt
issuance
for
housing.
Using
the
1.7
to
equal
50
million
to
come
back
to
council
should
I
do
that
on.
K
D
I
think
that
conversation,
even
though
you
may
have
thought
it
was
frustrating
councilman
her
attack.
That
conversation
was
really
important
because
we
got
to
talk
about
all
this
stuff,
but
council,
member
Vieira
has
had
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
you
brought
Public
Safety
master
plan
on
the
agenda.
This
is
the
conversation
we
should
have
had.
Then
the
reason
why
we're
having
this
we
shouldn't
be
having
this
conversation
at
the
at
the
budget
time
we
need
to
have
it
then,
and
so
I
would
ask
staff
as
Chief
staff
here
I
would
ask
staff.
D
This
is
the
kind
of
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
around
the
public
safety
master
plan.
We
need
to
talk
about
what
needs
to
be
bought
and
how
and
what
the
strategy
is.
It's
not
just
about
simple
bubbles,
but
about
what
needs
to
be
prioritized:
Chief,
Tripp,
Chief
trip
and
or
Nick
stock
code.
Just
just
a
short
answer:
can
you
just
tell
me
what
we
talked
a
lot
about
north
south
and
sorry
North,
East
and
West?
Can
you
just
tell
me
real
fast
what
we
need
in
South
Tampa?
A
T
Barbara
Tripp
fire
chief
tip
for
rescue
I.
Guess
if
president
stucco
come
up
here,
he
probably
won't
tell
us,
we
need
10
stations
down
south,
but
I
would
like
to
run
the
numbers
and
get
back
with
you
and
let
you
know
because
since
we've
added
that
additional
ALS
transport
unit,
I
can
tell
you
the
call
volume
for
the
one
station
that's
been
down
there.
Station
15
has
dropped
20
percent,
okay
so,
which
has
been
great
and
that's
exactly.
D
R
Nick
stalker
Tim,
firefighters,
the
addition
to
station
19
down
in
the
South
Gandy
area
with
the
Rescue
Unit
was
a
huge
need
and
thankful
for
this
Administration
riding
that
unit
there.
We
see
the
growth
that's
on
West,
Shore
and
Gandy,
as
well
as
the
water
that's
covered
by
this
all-purpose
response.
Department
having
a
station
with
emergency
response,
Vehicles,
specifically
water
vessels
that
can
rapidly
deploy
to
cover
the
Bay
Area
there
is,
would
be
a
very,
very
official,
as
you
saw
so.
D
The
one
near
our
house,
he
and
I
live
near
each
other,
the
one
there
are
houses
you
have
to
get
in
the
big
truck
and
go
all
the
way
to
the
marina,
and
then
you
get
in
the
boat
and
leave.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
do
all
that
and
then
that
leaves
our
area
not
covered
so
I'm
going
to
cut
you
off
there.
Just
so
I'd
save
my
time.
But
the
point
is
we
need
help
in
South
Tampa,
also
I'm
against
bonding
I
agree
with
Mr
scaglioni
that
that
we
shouldn't
be
bonding.
T
Want
I
did
I'm
sorry,
so,
thanks
for
mentioning
that
we
actually
put
in
for
a
grant
from
the
state,
the
Federal
grant
that
actually
gave
us.
Some
I
wanted
to
create,
like
a
marine
type
rescue
for
down
there
to
actually
be
able
to
deploy,
to
try
to
get
jet
skis
and
stuff
for
station
19
and
make
that
a
typical
Marine
Division.
Since
he
brought
about
the
boats
and
stuff.
D
Want
to
okay!
Thank
you,
yeah,
that's
excellent!
So
when
we
talk
about
Public,
Safety
master
plan,
again,
please
bring
all
this
stuff
up,
because
we
need
to
talk
about
it,
but
I
I'm
against
bonding
in
general
and
I'm,
going
to
look
a
lot
more
closely
to
all
that
going
forward
and
I
want
to
make
some
motions
another
time
about
how
we
can
have
more
transparency
into
that
process
and
more
line
of
sight,
but
I
think
that
bonding
fire
stations
can
saves
people's
lives.
D
It's
also
something
that's
more
than
30
years,
so
it's
justifiable
to
put
in
that.
We
have
areas
that
need
to
be
covered
and
so
I'm
not
making
a
motion
I
just
think
we
need
to
cover
that
also
separately.
Mr
O'hara.
Can
you
just
yes,
sir?
Can
you
let
us
know
somebody
I
think
it
was
chair
made
a
motion
about
the
seven
million.
Sorry,
if
it
wasn't
him,
but
glendenna
made
the
motion
for
the
seven
million
from
parking
that
will
go
into
roads.
Can
you
just
confirm
that
7
million
plus
the
4.1
that
was
already.
D
E
D
I
want
to
say,
while
she's
walking
up,
we
have,
we
have
camps
I,
we
don't
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
up
to
300
people
live
in
the
in
the
forest
in
South
Tampa,
their
their
camps
right
next
to
MacDill,
Air,
Force,
Base
and
Chivas
staff
has
put
together
a
whole
Coalition,
including
code
enforcement,
police,
housing
and
just
so
folks
know.
D
Also
chief
of
staff
was
in
charge
of
temporary
housing
in
Pinellas
County
and
he's
worked
really
hard
with
Catholic,
Charities
and
others
to
set
up
temporary
housing
and
he's
improving
those
situations
and
working
with
multiple
service
agencies.
So
we're
we're
trying
to
transition
folks
out,
but
if
people
think
that
that
homeless,
people
are
only
in
downtown
they're,
not
they're,
all
over
South
Tampa,
also
and
and
once
they
move
out
of
one
park,
they
go
into
another
yeah,
and
so
it
is
a.
D
It
is
a
city-wide
issue,
it's
a
national
issue
and
we
need
to
address
it.
Could
you
tell
us
I
was
talking
about
this
before?
Could
you
tell
us
what
the
how
affordable
housing
budget
was
in
2018
or
2019.
J
Administrative
development,
Economic
Opportunity,
the
question
you're
asking
is
how
much
funds
were
given
from
general
fund
before
that,
and
this
Administration
was
the
first
Administration
to
dedicate
general
fund
money
to
housing
and
I
believe
fiscal
year.
2022
was
the
first
year
that
we
got
funding.
It
was
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
that.
W
D
J
So
but
so
we
got
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
for
program,
but
there
was
also
an
infusion
of
four
million
dollars
when
last
year
for
the
rental
assistance.
But
that's
not
reoccurring
money.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
there
was
an
infusion
of
four
million
dollars
for
rental
assistance
at
the
correct.
D
You
know
Dennis,
like
25
million
no.
J
Y
D
And
the
point
is
that
in
in
two
years
we
put
in
five
times
as
much
but
tell
us
how
much
so
we
city
council,
sitting
as
a
CRA
board,
also
voted
three
years
ago
to
put
30
percent
again
hearing
public
feedback
we
put
in
30
of
CRA
money
into
affordable
housing.
So
how
much
was
allocated
for
that
last
year?.
J
D
For
CRA
for
CRA,
so
it
26,
plus
20
right
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
summer,
so
we
went
from
zero
two
three
years
ago
to
five
and
a
half
million
to
like
50
million,
and
so
the
point
I
want
everybody
to
understand
and
Robin.
Maybe
you
can
help
us
to
set
up
meetings
to
talk
to
folks
about
this.
We
need,
as
Nathan
said,
we
need
like
eight
billion
dollars,
but
we've
done
we've
done.
We
went
from
zero
to
five
million.
Then
we
did
10
times
that
last
year,
and
so
we
are
listening.
D
D
I
think
that
we
need
to
shift
more
of
that
money
to
home
ownership
instead
of
rental
assistance
we
need
to.
We
went
we've
gone
through
a
crisis,
there's
still
a
crisis.
There
are
only
two
ways
to
get
out
of
it:
one
is
to
help
people
buy
homes
that
we
need
to
shift
more
to
that.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
that
the
money
is
competitively
bid
in
the
past
city
was
accused
of
not
competitively
bidding
to
different
organizations
and
it
needs
to
it.
D
We
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
out
like
that
another
issue
for
another
day,
Tampa
Housing
Authority.
This
is
a
state
law,
but
we
need
to
change
it
so
that
so
that
they're
not
competing
with
the
private
sector.
We
need
to
separate
the
the
grant
making
Authority
from
the
from
the
developer
side
of
it,
because
we
needed
to
disperse
that
money,
the
more
we
can
partner
with
non-profits
and
for-profits
the
more
we
can
spread
the
money
to
get
more
made.
D
D
Potentially
thousands
of
people
would
have
been
out
of
their
homes,
because
that
would
have
been
passed
directly
onto
renters
a
hundred
percent
they're
not
protected.
The
renters
are
not
mostly
not
protected
by
Homestead
exemptions,
so
could
have
been
10
or
more
increase.
The
renters,
their
rental
rates
would
have
gone
up
and
people
would
have
been
kicked
out
of
their
homes.
D
A
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
individual
rental
units
are
owned
by
or
rental
units
are
owned
by
individuals
and
all
of
them,
including
the
big
folks,
told
me
they
would
pass
on
any
additional
costs.
So
I
I
see
turning
down
the
taxes,
saving
the
economy
and
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
be
in
the
position
where
we
cause
people
to
be
forced
out
of
their
homes,
because
their
rental
rates
went
up
because
we
increased
taxes.
So
then
we
increase
taxes
again,
so
we
can
subsidize
people
paying
for
higher
taxes.
D
The
other
thing
the
most
important
way
we
can
get
people
to
afford
their
homes
is
by
helping
them
with
better
jobs,
and
you
all
saw
Tampa
scorecard.com
clearly,
since
the
great
Great
Recession
12
year
years
ago,
the
economic
policies
in
our
community
Economic
Development
policies
have
not
been
working.
We
need
to
change
this
instead
of
earning
twenty
dollars
an
hour.
People
need
to
be
earning
more.
D
We
do
that
through
better
Economic
Development,
so
I
would
I
would
ask
Dennis
tell
me
how
it's
listed
I
forgot
now,
my
my
brains,
fried
here
late
at
night,
but
there's
I,
think
there's
still
a
line
item
for
the
EDC
I.
Don't
want
to
fight
the
EDC
fight
tonight.
I've
got
a
lot
of
documentation,
I'll
bring
back
when
we
talk
about
their
contract.
We
negotiated
it
two
years
ago
and
they
didn't
follow
any
of
the
requests
that
we
put
into
their
contract.
But
tonight
I
would
just
like
to
to
make
a
motion
to
change.
D
Whatever
line
item
says
EDC
to
Economic
Development,
if
we
change
it
to
economic
development,
that
gives
us
a
chance
to
talk
to
Nicole
about
other
strategies.
It
could
go
to
the
edcf,
the
majority
one
at
some
point
or
it
can
go
to
something
else
like
an
in-house
Department
with
with
Nicole,
but
I
would
just
like
to
put
it.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
change
the
term
EDC
to
Economic
Development.
B
N
D
Their
contract
is
up
for
Renewal,
so
we
need
to
negotiate,
that's
a
two-year
contract,
and
so
we
can
decide
at
that
time
whether
we
want
the
money
to
go
to
them
or
not.
If
we
make
it
for
economic
development,
it's
like
we
say
we
want
the
money
to
go
to
housing,
we're
not
dictating
which
housing
agency
it
goes
to
or
which,
which
company
it
goes
to
later
on.
We'll
prove
that
foreign.
J
N
N
It's
up
this
year,
though
yeah
I
understand
I'm,
just
trying
to
make
sure
I
make
the
best
decision
possible
because
the
funding
is
up
for
Social
Action
this
year
too.
You
know
at
the
end,
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
2023
we're
deciding
for
2024.
If
we're
going
to
give
these
other
people
funds
so
Mr.
F
Yes,
just
just
to
clarify
that
the
EDC
or
the
funding
identified
for
EDC
is
not
part
of
the
social
action,
but.
N
F
B
B
J
AC
J
N
Okay,
that's
because
I've
this,
the
EDC
anything
that
you
know
is
said
up
here
on
the
day
as
I
start
doing
my
research,
so
I
do
know
that
councilman
Carlson
has
already
you
know,
doesn't
want
the
EDC
to
exist,
as
a
part
of
you
know
anything
so
in
general,
he's
made
that
statement
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
isolated
conversation
or
maybe
I'll,
just
hear
it
when
they
are
pre
when
they.
J
N
Right
right
but
I
mean
you
know,
but
I
know
I
know
but
I,
because
I
listen
to
everyone.
He
likes
to
eliminate
things
even
before
we
make
decisions
about
them.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
getting
their
Fair
Shake,
but
I
can
roll
with
it
being
a
line
item
for
just
Economic
Development.
D
G
Just
before
I
start
changing
three
letters
and
funding
three
letters,
one
way
or
the
other
I
like
to
see
what
the
return
of
the
dollar
has
been
and
what
the
others
are
talking
about
and
what
what
their
perspective
was.
What
I
see
here
is
there
is
looking
for
a
change
in
something
the
contracts
do
so
it
doesn't
take
a
genius
to
figure
out
something
is
any
Now's
the
Time
to
go
after
it
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
want
to
see
the
whole
thing.
N
N
P
Know
I
had
to
that's
fine,
you
respect
me
around
for
it
question
a
question
about
the
EDC
September
of
24.
This
is
the
contract.
Is.
P
J
About
the
EDC
contract
this
evening,
so
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
there
they
have
to
invoice
us
their
invoices
I,
don't
remember
if
it's
monthly
or
quarter.
Thank
you
release.
Mr
Jungle,
she
said
is
quarterly
the
invoice
invoice
us
quarterly,
and
so
there
is
an
invoice
to
us
now
for
which
is
in
in
the
middle
of
their
contract.
So
that's
not
I'm.
Just
telling
you
that's
not
a
free
discussion.
We
have
a
you,
know
a
contract
in
place,
but
moving
forward.
It's
paid
quarterly.
Okay,.
P
Yeah,
so
it
makes
I
I
probably
will
support
councilman
Carlson's
motion
because
I
supported
having
the
flexibility
in
the
housing
funds
for
the
what
ifs.
So
it
makes
sense
to
me,
even
though
I
may
support
the
EDC
and
when
it
comes
down
to
making
that
call
for
the
question,
but
on
having
that
Latitude,
it
makes
sense
to
me
so
yeah
councilman.
M
And
and
very
briefly,
the
way
I
see,
this
is
merely
a
matter
of
terms
and
definitions
and
we
could
put
in
the
EDC
correct
and
vote
no
other
contract.
We
could
put
an
economic
development
and
vote
no
other
contractor.
M
Yes,
so
I
see
this
as
a
matter
of
terms,
the
the
would
be
as
a
professional
courtesy
to
a
colleague
who
has
strong
opinions
on
it,
and
it
would
have
no
bearings
on
whether
no
bearing
on
whether
or
not
we
vote
yes
or
no
on
it,
either
way
so
I'm
with
that
understanding
and
with
no
one
telling
me
that
I'm
wrong
in
that
regard
on
something
that
would
be
boxed
in
by
this
definition.
I'm
fine
with
this,
and
we
should
vote.
N
Councilman
Henderson,
thank
you,
disappointed
clarification.
How
long
did
that
contract
last?
It
was
it
a
year,
two.
J
J
It
is
a
binding
contract
that
we
have
been
working
with
the
EDC
on
and
if
I
may
answer,
the
question
earlier,
you
asked
if
there
are
other
organizations
included
in
this
budget
was
also
a
request
for
the
prospera
of
America,
which
is
a
lot
which
is
a
sorry
it's
late,
which
it
helps
minority
Hispanic
businesses,
as
so
it's
not
the
same
as
the
EDC,
but
there
is
money
in
this
budget
with
that
request
and
also
for
Tampa
wave
Tampa
Bay
wave.
N
The
invoice,
but
actually
if
there
was
an
opportunity
to
provide
funding
to
an
outside
organization,
it
would
still
this
one
would
have
to
come
back
to
us.
It's
not
it's
not
a
consent
agenda
item.
Is
it.
J
No,
no!
No!
This
would
not
come
back
to
you
because
of
the
dollar
amount.
The
threshold,
the
threshold,
the
dollar
amount
for
those
two
organizations
that
I
just
named
off
to
you
it's
less
than
the
threshold.
It
normally
comes
to
council,
so
the
EDC
contract
is
a
larger
dollar
amount
that
that's
and
it's
contractually
binding.
So,
yes,
any
other
agreement
comes
all.
B
D
N
D
Thank
you
yeah.
If
we
didn't
Mr
O'hara,
we
didn't
talk
about
events.
There
were
several
events
like
the
River
green
that
were
suggested.
Do
we
find
out?
Are
we
putting
any
money
in
those
events?
I
know
there
are
some
Signature
Events
that
the
mayor
does,
that
I
think
we
should
fund,
but
these
other
events
like
that,
is
there
any
savings
like.
F
We
have
not
decreased
any
funding
for
events,
however,
based
on
council's
input,
we're
going
to
look
during
fiscal
year,
24
at
some
either
recouping
costs
or
very
similar
to
our
review
of
the
social
action
and
arts
fund.
But
no
in
front
of
you
today
are
no
reductions
to
a
special
events.
D
No,
but
how
much
did
you
all
figure
out,
one
of
the
things
we
put
on
the
board
last
time?
Several
several
folks
mentioned
it
before
I
did
events
that
we're
putting
on
do
you
have
any
idea,
like
several
folks
mentioned,
River
green,
how
much,
how
much
in
in
kind
and
cash
do
we
put
in
events
I
do
not
see
it
standing
up.
N
X
Yes,
so
far,
foreign
administrator,
okay
of
Neighborhood,
Community
Affairs,
you
guys
know
by
now.
This
is
my
sleepy
voice
right,
okay,
so
what
we
have
I
have
two
events
in
particular:
one
is
River
Roll
green,
and
this
is
the
Parks
and
Recreation
policy.
That's
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
Boom
by
the
bay
is
our
cost
is
sixty
thousand
dollars.
Those
events
are
primarily
subsidize
or
produced
by
the
downtown
partnership,
and
so
they
have
assume
the
large
majority
of
the
cars.
X
D
I
just
think
events
that
you
know
if,
if
a
mayor
wants
to
have
a
signature
event,
it's
fine,
but
even
twenty
thousand
dollars
I
won't
make
the
most
on
it.
But
if
somebody
else
is
in
somebody
else
mentioned
it
before
it's
it's
still
20
000
that
we
could
put
into
housing
can,
while
you're
still
up
there,
you
had
125
000
for
one
pickleball
court.
X
K
N
N
D
If,
if
my
point
is
that,
if
they're,
if
there
are
basketball
courts
in
in
in
baseball
fields,
which
we
we
do,
we
have
that
are
falling
apart,
you
know
inner
bay
down
by
mcdill,
and
this
is
where
they
make
dill
people's
kits
go
the
the
dugouts
are
falling
apart,
all
over
them
and-
and
we
shouldn't
be
paying
for
anything
new
that
we,
if
something
is
a,
is
a
hazard
where
kids
are
going
to
get
hurt
and
so
I
think
we
should
look
for
things
like
that.
D
I
also
want
to
ask
Mr
O'hara.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
sorry,
the
we
have
like
another
25
million
in
parking.
Is
there
any
more
of
that
that
we
can
allocate
toward
Road
repair.
F
I
would
defer
again
I
think
it's
already
been
opined
to
that
legally
as
long
as
this
Mobility
related,
it
can
be
done,
but
I.
D
No
25
20
million
in
parking-
oh,
is
there.
My
question
is:
is
there
additional
money
in
parking
that
we
can
move
to
Road
repair,
Road,
repair,
we've?
We
it
I,
get
several
complaints
a
day
about
Road
repair.
So
you
know
housing
is
a
huge
issue.
We
can't
use
Mobility
or
parking
money
for
housing,
but
we
can
use
potentially
use
parking
money
for
roads.
So
is
there
anything
else
that
we
can
shift.
V
Together,
there
is
additional
funding
and
parking.
However,
they
are
high
priorities.
We
have
funds
for
our
garage
maintenance
upkeep.
We
have
deferred
costs
associated
with
our
garages
that
we
have
funds
I
allotted
for
for
next
year.
We
also
have
committed
Mobility
projects
money
set
aside
for
those
those
include
the
sidewalk
repairs,
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
million
dollars
towards
the
streetcar
operations
and
micro
Mobility
projects
such
as
the
e-voucher
program
and
secure
bike
parking.
What's.
V
Half
of
that
is
the
voucher
program,
which
is
very
popular
where
folks
are
getting
a
voucher
to
allow
them
to
purchase
an
e-bike
which
in
some
cases,
is
their
transportation
for
jobs
and
other
needs.
So
it's
all
priorities.
We
are
going
to
be
putting
700
000
of
parks
and
foresight.
D
I
can't
I
can't
do
call
a
call
call
line
to
the
walk
by
people
right
now,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
they
would
rather
have
sidewalks
right
now
than
than
that,
but
I'll
just
leave
that
as
it
is,
can
I
before
I
run
out
of
time,
can
I
ask
somebody
from
police
or
police
PBA?
D
The
I
saw
that
the
cell
phones
were
on
that
cut
and
also
you
talked
about
the
police
over
hire.
Can
you
and
Mr
O'hara
I
wonder
if
there's
any
money
from
somewhere
else
that
we
could
shift
and
cover.
B
D
D
F
I
want
to
say
again
going
from
memory,
although
I
guess
I
don't
have
to
it's
right
here.
Foreign.
D
And
then,
while
he's
looking
at
that
Chief
do
you
do
you
agree
with
PBA
on
the
the
police
over
hires
that
we
that
we
needed
to
fund
those
somehow
know.
O
AT
Is
we're
still
going
from
20
to
10.
over
higher?
Is
that
correct,
yes,
okay!
Well,
I
mean
in
in
our
opinion
that
the
the
master
plan
you
know
calls
for
for
growth
or
whatever
and
we're
behind.
You
know
the
their
best
plan
on
experience
and
growth,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
we
can
get
that
growth
and
not
cut
back,
you
know
the
current
capability.
They
have
that
that
would
have
been
better.
So.
O
So
just
plain
Logistics
of
it
is
if
we
get
the
grant,
assuming
that
we
are
that
caps,
my
ceiling
at
30
more
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
I
would
have
room
for
10
more
for
an
overhire.
If
I
got
to
a
point
to
get
all
that
in
a
year
which
would
be
tough
to
do
would
be
a
goal
and
I
got
a
position
where
I
needed
to
hire
more
I'm,
confident
that
we
could
find
extra
money
to
do
that.
So
I
I
have
no
concerns
at
all
I.
AT
Think
that,
if
that
the
chief's,
confident
that
we
can
do
it
with
with
those
current
numbers,
then
then
we'll
stipulate
that
until
that
we
will,
that
will
be
on
board
of
that
as
well.
So
long
as
we're
looking
at
you
know
that
a
year
or
so
down
the
road,
you
know
that
we
don't
remain.
You
know
cutting
our
over
hires
and
I.
AT
Sorry
I
don't
mean
to
cut
you
off
the
because
I
know
the
train.
Training
is
good.
Is
the
big
part.
You
can
only
push
so
many
people
through
one
time,
so
that
could
be
what
he's
always
talking
about.
Is
that
not
being
able
to
push
through
all
these
plus
the
overhires
and
stuff?
We
totally
understand
that,
but
once
we
go
back
to
our
regular
training
schedule,
we'd
like
to
be
at
that
20
over
hires
like
like,
we
were,
you
know,
say
a
year
or
so
from
now
I.
D
Know
and
sorry
to
cut
you
off
too,
but
I
know
that
besides
the
PBA,
the
the
police
officers
are
running
to
on
the
street.
Tell
me
that
they
desperately
need
support
and
so
I
know
this
30
will
go
a
long
way.
I
don't
want
them
to
think
that
we
took
two
steps
forward
and
step
back.
I
want
them
to
know
that
we
support
them
so
Chief
if
you're,
okay
with
it
and
PBA.
O
O
D
Yet,
okay
and
then
and
then
Mr
Harold,
will
come
back
to
us.
If
we
exceed
revenue
forecasts
I
assume.
So
can
you
all?
Please
keep
us
posted
on
on
what
you
all
need
and
if
those
grants
come
through
or
not
because
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
other
issues
tonight,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
care
about
you
all
any
less
and
we
want
to
make
sure
you're
covered.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank.
V
Duncan
infrastructure
Mobility,
yes,
sir,
this
is
the
e-bike
voucher
program.
Currently
we
have
I
believe
it
is
500
000
for
fy24
for
that
program.
K
For
a
certain
amount
of
money,
or
if
you,
if
you
call,
if
you
qualify,
you
get
more
money,
yeah.
V
D
D
We
don't
have
sidewalks,
and
so
people
in
wheelchairs
are
are
riding
down
the
middle
of
streets,
putting
themselves
in
danger,
and
so
I
mean
it.
All
of
this
is
is,
is
a
necessity,
but
but
the
the
fact
that
we
have
so
many
people
with
disabilities
and
older
folks
who
can't
walk
through
their
neighborhood
without
walking
in
the
Middle
Street.
It's
really
dangerous
since
I'm
making
a
motion
when.
V
I
speak
to
it.
Yes,
sir,
we
agree.
It's
all
the
circle
of
life.
If
you
don't
have
a
home,
it's
hard
to
get
a
job.
If
you
can't
have
transportation
to
get
your
job,
it's
all
connected,
so
it's
all
a
matter
of
priorities,
we're
happy
to
adjust
accordingly
to
the
pleasure
of
council.
We
try
to
take
what
little
money
we
have
and
address
the
needs
that
we
have
and
the
best
and.
P
P
Yeah
I,
so
this
is
my
thoughts.
One
I
want
to
write
the
headline
for
the
Tampa
Bay
Times.
Tomorrow,
Bill
Carlson
comes
out
against
pickleball
courts.
Okay,
so
y'all
come
out
against
them
instead
of
the
ebike
thing.
Secondly,
the
here's.
The
thing
is:
yeah
I,
like
the
I,
mean
I.
Think
it's
a
great
program.
It's
very
it's
very
interesting,
but
we
we
are.
We
are
actually
we're
not
cutting
into
fat,
we're
cutting
into
meat
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
wants
that
are
being
cut
tonight.
P
In
this
budget,
that's
presented
to
us
I
mean
there's
a
lot.
I'm
I'm
saying
a
lot
of
needs.
I
mean
this
I'm.
Really
some
critical
needs
that
we're
they're
not
going
to
get
funded
in
24.
and,
while
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
program.
I
think
Cosmo
Carlson
is
exactly
right.
We
have
dangerous
sidewalks.
We
have
sidewalks
that
people
with
disabilities
cannot
walk
on.
We
had
testimony
from
public
about
a
woman
with
you
know,
with
sight
issues
and
the
problems
that
she
had
on
on
sidewalks.
P
So
when
we're
talking
about
the
needs
versus
ones,
is
it
nice
to
have
that
program?
Yes,
is
it
I
mean,
can
they
can
they
use
a
regular
bicycle?
Not
an
e-bike
I.
Don't
have
an
e-bike
because
they're
too
expensive
for
me,
I
mean
I,
don't
buy
one
because
they're
too
expensive
for
me,
but
you
know
what
I
do,
but
I
do
want
I
a
lot
of
places,
I
bike
to
the
grocery
store
and
stuff.
You
know
again,
it's
it's
once
it's
once
versus
needs.
This
is
this
is
a
want.
It's
not
a
need.
P
K
Thank
you,
you
know
I
think
I
might
agree
with
you.
If
500
000
could
do
more
than
buy
a
half
it
just
when,
when
you're
looking
at
the
balance
of
it,
we're
going
to
help
what's
the
average,
what's
the
average
win
or
the
average
is
twenty
five
hundred
dollars,
so
we're
going
to
help
200
people
be
able
to
actually
because
they
probably
don't
have
a
car,
get
to
work
without
being
drenched
in
sweat.
K
To
me,
that's
an
economic
driver.
Yes,
yes,
so
I
I
can't
support
it
just
because
of
the
economic
driving
of
it
versus
a
half.
A
mile
of
sidewalk
and
sidewalks
are
very
important,
but
you
know,
as
councilman
Carlson
likes
to
say
it's
all
about
the
economics
and
the
economy
and
growing
the
economy,
and
if
we
want
people
to
be
able
and
right
now,
people
have
to
live
so
far
away
from
where
they
work,
because
we
don't
have
affordable
housing,
downtown.
B
Council
member
Carlson
with
the
second
any
other
discussion.
If
not,
we
take
a
vote
all
right.
Let's
go
to
a
vote,
roll
call,
Miranda.
K
Okay,
well,
it's
something
I,
forgot
and
and
I
know.
We
can't
add
anything
to
the
budget,
which
is
fine,
but
the
social
responsibility
reminded
me
and
Miss
Lyon
in
the
audience
reminded
me
that
we
heard
passionate
testimony
from
folks
that
used
to
volunteer
with
the
Humane
Society
about
the
killing
of
kittens,
and
so
as
a
since
we're
already
reducing
that
funding.
K
I'm,
just
gonna
say
to
take
it
out
all
together.
How.
B
K
It
it's
like
eleven
thousand
dollars
so
maybe
and
then
they're
getting
cut
by
10
already,
isn't
it
10
more,
so
they
would
only
be
ten
thousand
dollars
and
I
mean
that
ten
thousand
dollars
can
go
to
sidewalks
like
wherever
it
wants
to
go,
but
I
know
we're
not
adding
any
new
people,
because
I'd
like
to
go
to
a
new
organization,
but
my
my
compromise
is
just
to
take
it
out
of
the
budget.
We.
B
Have
a
motion
to
completely
eliminate
the
funding
from
the
for
the
Humane
Society
contribution
by
the
city?
Do
we
have
a
second?
Is
there
a
second
for
discussion?
Is
there
a
second
on
this.
E
M
M
Going
to
speak
to
the
second,
which
is
I'm
going
to
say,
respectfully
no
I
and
I
say
that,
knowing
what
a
champion
of
our
animals
councilwoman
her
Tech
is
so
I
I,
say:
I
decline
with
great
respect
for
you.
Wait.
G
M
G
K
G
P
P
G
B
M
M
There
you
go
ahead,
just
really
quick.
If
I
may
I
wanted
to
make
sure
with
Miss
win.
Please
tell
me
just
you:
don't
even
have
to
get
up,
which
is
when
it
comes
to
the
parks
budget.
There
is.
There
are
funds
set
in
right
now
for
disability,
friendly
parks,
and
we
can
that
money
is
discretionary
going
to
different
parks
at
the
discretion
of
City
staff?
Is
that
correct?
Please
say
yes,
thank
you.
M
Okay,
great
and
I
also
wanted
to
mention
at
Council
that
again,
there
are
funds
in
here
for
our
returning
citizens
program
for
our
special
needs.
Internship
program
for
arts
for
the
intellectually
disabled
through
the
penguin
project
and
I,
wanted
to
salute
councilman
Carlson
for
mentioning
Michael
Bishop,
who
knows
too
much
about
Council
and
is
a
very
smart.
Individual
I
see
him
on
Twitter.
That's
it!
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
I
love
it
here.
Yes,
ma'am!
Oh
thank
you
very
much.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
close
public
comments.
We
have
motion
for
our
councilwoman
Henderson
Center
council
member
clenden,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
Mr
O'hara.
Will
you
have
the
finance
chair?
Please
provide
the
reading
of
the
millage
rate
resolution
if.
F
I
I
will,
but
if
I
may,
Council
has
only
approved
some
of
the
balanced
budget
items
that
we
that
we
put
in
front
of
you.
So.
B
BC
Real
quickly,
I
have
an
amended
ordinance
you
that
would
that
incorporates
his
exhibit
a
those
items
that
Mr
O'hara
presented
to
you
tonight
as
revisions
to
the
budget
by.
B
Y
BC
We
only
change
the
order,
the
ordinance
that
you
approved
on
first
reading.
Basically,
you
approve
the
ma.
The
budget
is
presented
by
the
mayor
as
Modified
by
by
you
all
a
city
council.
This
just
it
says
as
more
expressly
or
more
particularly
set
forth
in
exhibit
a
in
exhibit
a
is
the
presentation
that
Mr
O'hara
gave
tonight
going
through
the
various
Provisions
that
were
being
proposed.
BC
BC
BA
B
BA
BC
The
extent
I
think
some
of
the
changes
that
you
were
offering
up
tonight
were
off
or
primarily
changes
to
the
CIP,
which
is
item.
Number
four
is
my
recollection,
so
it's
not
really
you're,
not.
You
did
not
most
of
the
Motions
I
heard
being
made
from
the
diets
tonight
didn't
really
deal
with
the
operating
budget,
which
is
what
the
what
the
ordinance
is
in.
F
B
I'm
satisfied
with
what
I
see,
because
it's
it's
memorialized
here
and
this
showing
the
exhibit
a
so
it
will
be
a
part
of
the
ordinance
council
member
Carlson.
D
Section
five
of
the
the
ordinance
it
says
any
revenues
received
by
the
city
of
Tampa.
This
is
about
halfway
through
any
revenue
is
received
by
the
city
of
Tampa.
During
said
fiscal
year
from
sources
not
anticipated
by
the
budget
shall
be
deposited
in
the
unappropriated
cash
Surplus
account
of
the
respective
fund.
D
BC
D
Want
to
talk
about
that,
the
problem
is
that
we,
there
are
two
things
in
here.
One
is
that
like
when
there's
bonding
capacity
we
find
out
when,
when
we
a
contract
comes
before
us,
that's
going
to
be
bonded.
So
what
there
are
two
things
here,
one
is
to
say:
if
there's
Surplus,
we
need
to
know
it
to
be
asked
direction
of
how
it
should
be
spent.
D
BC
B
Y
BC
Resolution
before
you
do
anything
with
you
with
the
ordinance
for
the
budget.
K
K
I
just
have
a
question
about
this
I
appreciate
that
we
have
this
exhibit
a,
but
it.
K
Yeah
because,
like
the
revisions
that
we
spent
an
hour
talking
about
with
the
priorities
of
now
the
the
fire
stations
and
all
that
stuff.
BC
F
F
BA
B
A
G
Resolution
living
in
ad
valorem
tax
at
the
rate
of
6
and
27
610.
G
The
community
redevelopment
agency
of
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida
is
hereby
Levy
to
provide
by
law
all
on
all
real
and
personal
property
taxable
for
the
purposes
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
section
two
that
the
mayor
and
the
city
clerk
has.
The
proper
authorities
of
the
city
of
Tampa
are
duly
authorized
and
empowered
to
direct
to
certify
the
property.
G
G
Five
parentheses,
one
of
the
Florida
Statutes
by
6.9
percent,
to
request
the
levy
of
the
millage
sent
forth
upon
all
real
personal
properties
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
as
above,
set
forth
in
accordance
with
the
provisions
of
the
Constitution
of
the
laws
of
the
State
of
Florida
Section
3,
that
other
proper
officers
of
the
city
of
Tampa
are
authorized
to
do
all
things
necessary
and
proper.
In
order
to
carry
out
make
effective
the
terms
and
conditions
of
this
resolution,
which
shall
become
effective
immediately
upon
its
adoption.
B
All
right,
sir,
then,
will
you
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
millage
rate
resolution
we'll
take
a
vote
and
that's
item
number
10
on
the
sheet
make
a.
G
A
M
Second
and
I,
if
I
may
Mr
chair
I,
want
to
explain
that
I
see
that,
as
as
a
motion
to
either
keep
it
to,
we
can
either
keep
it
there
or
put
it
lower
by
keeping
it
there
on.
Second
to
games.
M
D
I
just
want
to
say
real
fast
I
said
months
ago,
that
I
prefer
to
go
to
the
rollback
rate.
Obviously
we
couldn't
get
there
in
this
situation.
There's
no
way
to
go
back
to
it
now,
but
I'm
going
to
try
again
next
year.
I
think
we
need
to
be
efficient
about
our
money
and
not
keep
raising
it,
but
this
is
it.
This
is
a
compromise.
For
me,
this
is
a
compromise
because
I'd
rather
go
back
to
the
rollback
rate,
but
at
least
we're
not
increasing
the
millage.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
Henderson,
no.
N
F
BC
F
I
F
So
we'll
leave
more
than
10
minutes
all
right,
so
we
have
15.
I
A
A
A
A
A
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
BC
BC
BC
And
that
would
be
the
next
item
that
you
will.
You
all
will
consider
and
then
the
other
item
that
I
would
like
to
hand
out
to
you
is
the
revised
Capital
Improvement
program
and
budget
per
your
various
motions
tonight.
So
let
me
hand
that
out-
and
that
would
be
the
last
item-
that
you
would
all
consider
tonight-
there's
a
resolution-
that's
already
with
the
clerk
that
that
does
state
that
it's
the
CIP
as
approved
and
as
model
is
modified
and
admitted
by
the
city
council
and
approved
by
city
council.
BC
B
B
B
G
E
C
Y
K
Ma'am
I,
just
I've,
looked
through
the
capital,
Improvement
program,
adjustments
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
they're
still
rather
fluid,
but
this
is
exactly
what
I
was
looking
for.
So
thank
you
so
much
thank.
B
K
Would
I
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
2024
through
FY
2028
Capital
Improvement
program
is.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
the
final
action
may
I
have
a
motion
to
receive
and
file
all
written
documents
provided
to
the
city
council
tonight,
including
the
FY
2024
operating
budget,
as
modified
to
be
consistent
with
the
millage
rate
of
6.2076
Mills.
We
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
Henderson
secondary
councilmember,
Miranda
roll
call
vote.