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Good
afternoon,
everyone,
this
is
Brian
Lee,
with
TNI
last
call
for
any
audio
video
checks.
Before
we
go
into
the
background.
Thank
you.
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B
B
B
C
Mode
if
we
could
have
roll
call,
please,
okay,.
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C
So
we
do
have
a
request
for
a
continuance,
and
this
is
from
item
number
three
well.
First
may
I
have
a
motion
to
open
all
Publications,
we'll
move
mode
from
councilman
Miranda.
Second
councilmember
Henderson,
all
in
favor
all
right,
aye
I
have
an
email
here
from
Mr
Collins,
okay,
who
is
here
requesting
that
the
public
hearing
for
number
three
be
continued
to
October
12
2023
at
501
pm.
C
All
right
may
I
have
a.
C
Motion
continue
this
item
from
councilman
Miranda.
Do
we
have
a
second
second,
that
is
to
continue
item
number
three
to
October
12
2023
501
pm
at
Old,
City,
Hall,
315,
East,
Kennedy
Boulevard,
all
in
favor.
C
G
Good
afternoon
Council
Kayon
Henderson
manager
for
Housing
and
Community
Development
Division
I
have
a
presentation
that
I'd,
like
pulled
up
all.
G
So,
on
June
8th,
we
came
before
you
to
talk
about
our
annual
action
plan
process.
That
was
the
first
public
hearing
and
today
we're
here
for
the
second
public
hearing.
We
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
umbrella
that
creates
the
action
plan,
which
is
our
Consolidated
plan.
What
the
purpose
of
the
action
plan
is
again
the
funding
that
we're
looking
at
for
fy24
in
what
nonprofits
that
we're
looking
to
actually
fund
this
year.
G
The
sources
of
the
and
the
programs
that
we're
looking
to
bring
to
the
citizens
of
Tampa
go
a
little
bit
about
the
timeline
overall
of
what
we're
doing
talking
about
the
public
input
and
then
at
the
end,
this
should
open
the
30-day
public
comment
period.
G
G
What
this
allows
us
to
do
is
set
an
overarching
goal
of
five
years
and
then
every
year
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
create
measurements
to
get
to
that
final
goal
of
the
five
years,
and
so
these
are
all
of
our
federal
funded
programs
that
we
receive,
and
so
we
are
on
a
five-year
cycle.
G
So
again,
this
is
the
second
year,
and
so
every
year
we
met
measure
what
we
have
completed
to
make
sure
that
we
have
done
what
we
set
out
to
do
so
for
the
action
plan
we
do
have
to
put
in
there
what
the
available
funding
is
for
the
the
current
year,
the
universal
request
for
proposals
where
we
open
it
up
to
the
different
non-profits
to
be
able
to
provide
services
to
our
citizens.
G
We
have
a
selection
committee,
so
once
we
receive
those
applications,
we
do
have
subject
matter,
expertise
that
we
we
work
with
to
review
these
applications.
This
year
we
received
a
total
of
33
applications
for
our
rfps,
and
then
we
make
a
recommendation
for
funding.
So
you'll
see
what
we've
recommended
for
those
who
should
be
funded,
we'll
come
again
before
you
for
annual
for
the
annual
draft
of
the
action
plan
before
it's
submitted
to
HUD
and
once
we
come
before
you
you'll
then,
hopefully
give
us
our
final
approval
so
that
we
can
submit
that.
G
So
we
go
through
what
our
priority
needs
are
and
what
the
goals
are,
and
so
this
is
really
what
the
action
plan
lines
up
for
us,
and
so
we
realize
that
we're
in
a
housing
crisis
and
so
affordable
housing
is
always
going
to
be
our
number
one
lead
and
and
our
priority,
and
so
once
we
know
what
that
priority
need.
Is
we
break
it
down
to
the
various
goals,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
provide
those
services,
and
so,
under
those?
G
We
know
that
in
this
annual
action
plan,
we're
going
to
set
aside
Fund
in
for
home
ownership,
assistance
for
new
construction
and
acquisition,
our
owner
occupied
rehab
program,
any
rental
assistance
that
we
can
still
put
in
as
well
as
Supportive
Housing
operations,
and
so
some
of
those
Supportive
Housing
operations
allows
us
really
to
fund
those
who
offer
some
Case
Management
Services.
And
then
we
look
at
public
facilities
and
infrastructure
and
that
kind
of
helps
us
to
really
preserve
what
we
have.
G
So
if
it's
a
multi-family
and
they're
looking
for
an
HVAC,
this
allows
us
to
preserve
some
of
those
units.
We
look
at
housing
for
those
with
special
needs.
We
do
have
to
set
aside
for
planning
and
administration
as
well
as
homeless,
assistance
that
we
get
funds
for
so
the
annual
action
plan
I
spoke
a
little
bit
earlier.
G
This
is
the
allocation
that
we
have
for
the
current
year
for
fy24.
We
did
add
ship
funding
in
there.
That's
not
part
of
the
action
plan,
but
we
do
like
to
show
how
we've
leveraged
some
of
the
programs.
One
of
the
programs
that
you
will
see
was
with
ship
funding,
also
so,
on
average,
between
federal
and
state
funds,
we
have
about
15
million
dollars
this
year.
G
This
is
the
breakdown
of
what
that
will
fund
for
us,
we're
looking
at
housing
projects
with
cdbg
home
in
ship
and
so
you'll
see
it
broken
down
with
what's
actually
eligible,
Within
These
categories,
so
ESG
and
Hopple
might
not
be
in
the
housing
projects.
That's
because
it's
not
an
eligible
activity
there.
So
we've
broken
down
what
the
15
million
dollar
looks.
G
Like
as
well
as
what
the
program
Administration
is-
and
so
this
is
what
how
we
will
come
to
the
overall
budget
that
we
have
for
this
year
for
our
cdbg,
it's
probably
the
most
flexible
grant
that
we
receive
annually.
It
can
do
a
lot,
but
it
cannot
do
a
new
construction
of
Housing,
and
so,
while
we
get
about
two
million
dollars
for
cdbg,
we
really
can
only
preserve
what
we
have
and
provide
public
services
for
our
citizens.
But
we
cannot
create
any
new
projects,
such
as
housing
programs
for
new
construction
or
new
houses.
G
We
can,
however,
fund
our
first-time
homebuyer
program
through
this,
and
so,
however,
it
is
that
we
can
use
these
funds
to
leverage
and
make
sure
that
we
get
more
homeowners
to
preservation
are
new.
We
were
able
to
kind
of
use
our
CBG
funds
for
it
this
year,
we're
going
to.
We
have
four
public
service
that
we're
going
to
fund
cdbg
does
come
with
a
regulation
that
a
15
must
be
used
for
services,
and
so
these
are
the
four
agencies
that
we're
proposing
to
fund
for
job
training,
mental
health,
youth
services
and
child
care.
G
Additionally,
with
cdbg,
we
have
heard
in
the
past
where
the
citizens
said
that
we
are
pushing
home
ownership,
but
we
only
had
three
housing
counseling
agencies,
and
so
there
was
a
bottleneck
this
year,
we're
going
to
have
a
total
of
five
agencies.
Actually,
we've
had
two
new
agencies
that
we've
not
otherwise
worked
with
in
the
past,
which
was
Clearwater,
Neighborhood,
Housing,
Services
and
National
Faith
homebuyer.
So
now
we'll
have
five
different
agencies
that
will
be
the
gatekeeper
of
our
first
time
home
buyer
program.
G
Our
emergency
Solutions
grant
that
one
is
very
specific
to
those
who
are
homeless
or
at
risk
of
homelessness.
We
only
get
about
279
thousand
dollars
annually
for
our
ESG
Grant,
which
makes
it
really
difficult
for
us
to
provide
services
that
are
specific
for
those
who
are
homeless.
So
you'll
see
further
on
where
we
will
leverage
other
funds
to
try
to
help
with
some
of
the
homeless
issues
that
we
have.
We
can
provide
shelter,
operations,
rapid
re-housing,
homeless
prevention
because
we
only
get
a
very
limited
amount.
G
We
really
focus
these
funds
on
rapid
rehousing
and
shelter
operations
for
our
Domestic
Violence
Shelter,
and
so
the
top
will
show
you
our
ESG
Rush
funds,
which
was
a
one-time
fund,
that
we
have
received
799
000
and
so
we're
going
to
give
some
some
of
those
funds
I'm.
Sorry,
the
top
one
is
regular
ESG.
Excuse
me,
where
we'll
do
rapid
rehousing
for
two
different
agencies
and
shelter
operations.
G
The
reason
that
we've
also
given
these
agencies
for
Rapid
rehousing,
where
we
realize
it's
to
get
someone
quickly
into
a
house
87
000,
is
the
second
table
on
this
you'll
see
that
we
had
additional
funds,
which
was
about
eight
hundred
thousand
of
ESG
rush,
and
so
we're
still
funding
them
in
a
different
category.
This
ESG
Rush
funds
allows
us
to
pay
up
to
24
months
of
rental
assistance,
so
it
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
leverage
to
be
able
to
use
those
funds
instead
of
the
ESG
and
and
serve
those
who
are
in
the
shelter.
G
Our
Housing
Opportunity
for
persons
with
AIDS
and
HIV
is
quite
unique
to
the
city
of
Tampa,
as
we
oversee
four
different,
this
grant
for
four
different
counties,
and
so
again
we
can
do
rental
assistance,
which
is
very
similar
to
a
Section
8
voucher
for
individuals.
We
can
do
permanent,
Supportive
Housing.
This
is
one
of
the
only
grants
where
we
can
actually
continue
to
pay
short-term,
rent,
mortgage
and
utility
assistance,
and
so
for
those
individuals
who
have
HIV
or
Aids.
G
We
can
pay
some
mortgage
assistance
with
this
housing
program
and
then
any
other
support
services
such
as
health,
whether
it's
to
help
them
get
their
medication
or
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have
groups.
We
can
also
fund
that
we
have
5.1
million
dollars
in
this
grant
that
we're
funding.
We
have
really
done
an
increase
in
the
vouchers
that
we're
doing
so.
G
We
realize
that
we
have
to
help
someone
get
into
stable
housing
and
so
funding
vouchers
is
kind
of
the
way
we
would
prefer
to
go,
and
so
this
is
the
breakdown
of
all
the
agencies
that
we're
looking
to
fund
amongst
all
four
counties,
our
home
investment
partnership
program.
This
can
be
used
to
create
new
construction,
also,
first
time,
home
buyer.
G
We
have
decided
to
use
some
of
the
funds
from
this
because
we
get
about
3.2
million
dollars
to
set
aside
funds
specifically
for
those
who
are
emerging
out
of
homeless,
and
so
we
put
about
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually
for
a
non-profit
to
provide
this
service
for
those
who
are
emerging
out
of
homeless
Services.
It
is
a
two-year
voucher
where
they
work
with
a
case
manager
to
get
them
to
sell
sufficiency
so
that
they
can
then
get
a
unit
and
move
on.
We
also
do
our
own
occupied
rehab
through
this
program.
G
So
this
is
a
breakdown
of
what
we'll
do
with
our
home
funds
for
the
fiscal
year
24.
The
tbra,
which
is
the
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
is
the
voucher
program
and
that's
about
six
hundred
thousand.
We
have
our
home
chodo,
which
is
community
housing
development
organization,
where
we
have
two
that
are
in
our
area.
Right
now,
we'll
set
aside
a
million
dollars
generally,
a
million
dollars
will
get
us
anywhere
between
10
and
15
homes.
Once
the
non-profit
sell
that
home,
they
do
have
to
recycle
those
funds
to
build
more
affordable
housing
units.
G
We
have
our
down
payment
assistance
program
that
we
have
about
127
000
set
aside
and
then
we'll
also
have
our
Administration,
where
that's
set
aside.
That
Administration
is
set
aside
for
the
non-profits
to
do
the
work,
not
for
it
to
come
to
the
city.
G
So
we
have
to
do
a
30-day
public
comment
period
which
will
be
held
for
starting
today
until
July
23rd.
This
really
allows
the
public
to
look
at
the
annual
action
plan.
Michelle
has
a
copy
of
the
annual
action
plan
that
we
brought
for
each
person
here
today,
so
that
you
could
have
a
copy.
We
also
leave
it
at
various
places
at
the
city.
We
make
sure
we
leave
it
at
different
Parks,
because
we
want
to
give
the
community
a
chance
to
really
give
their
input
to
what
we
plan
to
do
with
the
funds.
G
The
analysis
of
impediments
to
fair
housing,
part
of
doing
any
housing
projects
or
making
sure
that
we're
spending
the
funds
is
that
we
have
to
have
strategies
that
address
policies
and
practices
that
might
restrict
fair
housing
and
access
to
opportunity
and
work
with
those
non-profits
and
make
sure
that
we
also
have
a
plan
within
the
action
plan.
Should
we
fund
anyone.
G
The
last
time
we
came
before
our
calendar,
we
showed
where
we
were
with
the
first
public
hearing.
Today
we
are
here
for
the
second
public
hearing
and
to
open
the
30-day
public
comment
period.
We
will
come
back
before
you
with
the
final
draft.
We
have
to
continue
to
call
it
a
draft
until
HUD
approves
it.
G
We
submit
it
to
HUD
on
the
15th
of
August
and
then
we
will
come
before
again
with
the
agreements
for
all
the
agencies
that
we're
proposing
to
fund
and
then
for
some
of
them
that
you
saw
they
will
have
three-year
agreements.
However,
all
of
them
will
start
the
new
fiscal
year
this
year
for
October
1st.
G
If
anybody
has
any
questions
or
comments
or
want
to
view
the
action
plan,
they
can
re
we've
put
where
we're
located.
They
can
reach
out
to
me
and
contact
me
directly
so
that
we
can
have
those
we
do
ask
them
to
come
in
right
in
leave
a
message
or
if
they
call,
we
will
write
those
that
message
down
so
that
we
can
add
it
as
part
of
our
action
plan
is
all
I.
H
I
just
want
to
say
that
that
was
amazing.
That
presentation,
the
fact
that
that
you
can
keep
all
those
acronyms
trades
just
like
you
should
get
an
award
just
for
that.
But
no
I
just
want
to
say
how
how
wonderful
it
is
that
your
department
is
working
on
all
of
these
issues
and
just
again
to
highlight
the
fact
that
the
feds
gave
us
more
money
because
of
how
well
you
are
doing
the
work.
So
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
chance
to
shout
out
and
say:
congratulations,
I!
H
G
C
Up
yeah
any
yes,
sir
yeah.
I
C
C
C
And
I
I
don't
make
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
correct
because
we're
in
that
okay
motion
to
close
the
public.
C
J
J
Yeah
hi
there
Council,
my
name
is
Alvaro
gabaldin
I'm
from
the
Hillsborough
Planning
Commission
and
I'm
here
to
speak
about
CPA
tacpa
2231
accessory
dwelling
units
I'm
going
to
have
to
use
this
overhead.
That's.
J
J
So
this
amendment
came
before
you
previously
and
it
was
transmitted
to
Deo
on
April
27
2023.
So
this
is
a
publicly
initiated
Amendment
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
it
modifies
existing
language
regarding
accessory
dwelling
units
within
Tampa's
comprehensive
plan.
J
So
I'll
just
go
through
the
presentation,
but
you
know
we
saw
this
in
April.
Essentially,
this
is
amending
existing
policies
so
that
they
use
consistent
language
throughout
the
comprehensive
plan
to
refer
to
adus.
Currently,
you'll
find
a
lot
of
different
terms,
referring
to
this
concept,
accessory
dwellings
accessory
second
units
accessory
apartments
and
then
of
course,
accessory
dwelling
units
are
used
through
several
different
policies
and
within
the
land,
use
category
descriptions.
J
So
an
example
of
one
of
the
policies
that
we're
changing
is
9.2.4,
so
you
can
see.
We've
struck,
we've
struck
the
last
Clause
there,
which
says
the
for
the
purposes
of
calculating
density.
J
Accessory
dwelling
units
shall
not
be
counted
as
a
separate
dwelling
unit,
so
this
Clause
was
struck
and
it
was
isolated
into
a
brand
new
policy
that
essentially
repeats
the
same
thing,
but
it
you
know
it
clarifies
accessory
dwelling
units
consideration
within
the
flu
categories
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
of
course
says
that
it
shall
not
be
counted
as
a
separate
dwelling
unit,
which
was
from
the
past
policy
and
then
another
example
of
a
big
change.
J
We're
doing
here
is
amending
the
definitions
that
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
you
can
see
here
within
the
I
guess
official
definition
section
of
the
plan
it
used
to
say
accessory
Apartments,
but
again
we're
striking
Apartments
we're
referring
to
them
as
adus
and
we're
clarifying
some
other
details
that
don't
need
to
be
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
because
the
LDC
is
more
specific
as
to
say
like
a
kitchen
or
something
like
that
so
foreign.
J
So
this
amendment
was
found
consistent
with
the
Tampa
comprehensive
plan
based
on
these
policies
by
the
Planning
Commission.
This
was
on
February
13
2023.
So
that's
when
they
all
voted
to
forward
this
to
you
for
your
consideration
on
April
27th,
when
you,
when
you
transmitted
it
to
Deo-
and
we
are
here
today
reviewing
it
Deo,
had
no
comments
and
so
yeah
again
we're
here
today
for
your
action.
You
can
vote
to
adopt
this
plan
Amendment
and
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
I
can,
you
know,
show
other
slides
a
few.
H
H
And
if
this
is
going
to
be,
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
document,
that's
that's
my
only
change.
That's.
C
H
C
J
No,
sir,
that
is
something
that
the
Land
Development
code
goes
into
detail
and
regulates.
So
this
is
very
much
the
comprehensive
plan
enabling
your
LDC
to
do
such
a
thing.
So
you
can
see
that
we
struck
things
about
kitchens
and
you
know
single
parents
using
them
stuff
like
that.
The
comprehensive
plan
really
has
no,
you
know
bearing
there
we're
enabling
you
all
to
use
your
code
to
regulate,
and
you
know
incentivize
design
of
these
things.
C
I
Yeah
just
make
sure
that
does
this
is
there
a
language
in
here
that
that
applies
it
to
the
central
Planning
District.
J
J
M
So
this
this
is
really
a
very
narrow
change.
That
Alvaro
is
bringing
you
and
it's
the
intent
of
it
was.
As
you
know,
we've
been
out
talking
with
neighborhoods
about
adus
and
what
allows
the
city
to
even
contemplate
allowing
adus
is
the
fact
that
it's
set
forth
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
so
the
community
was
able
to
work
with
us
to
point
out
some
inconsistencies
in
the
language
and
the
definitions
between
the
comp
plan
and
the
code,
and
so
this
was
intended
to
be
a
cleanup
of
that.
I
M
L
I
just
want
to
have
clearance
in
case
somebody
would
ask
us.
It
says
here
that
the
accessory
dwelling
shall
not
be
counted
as
a
separate
dwelling
unit.
Does
that
mean
for
taxation
or
for
what.
M
No,
it's
it's
simply,
for
the
purposes
of
when
staff
brings
you
staff
reports,
they
calculate
the
number
of
units
per
acre
that
you're
allowed
to
have.
It
has
been
the
precedent
that
staff
has
has
interpreted
that
to
mean
it
doesn't
count
as
an
extra
unit
on
top
of
your
density.
If
that
were
the
case,
then
seminal
hats
couldn't
couldn't
have
it
because
they're
only
one
unit
per
one
lot,
so
we're
just
clarifying
that.
That's
how
we've.
L
B
L
C
L
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
item
number
two
file:
number
ta,
slash
CPA,
22-31,
ordinance
being
presented
for
Source
reading
consideration,
an
ordinance
of
many,
the
city
of
Tampa
live
Globe,
Drive,
Thrive,
20,
45,
Tampa,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
element
to
update
the
dwelling,
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
language
and
land
use
policy,
9.2.4,
9.5.4,
9.5.6,
creating
land
use
policy,
9.2.7,
updating
housing
policy,
1.7.3
Planning,
Commission
staff
is
also
updating
the
language
in
the
Suburban
mix,
U6
residential
10,
residential
six
to
the
elite.
E
H
E
C
D
Thank
you
chairman
and
Council
LaShonda
development,
coordination
and
Council.
This
is
item
number
four.
The
last
item
this
evening
is
this:
the
application
for
ab2
2315
is
for
the
property
located
at
2907
West
Bay
to
Bay
Boulevard.
The
applicant
is
being
represented
by
Tyler
Hudson.
The
request
is
for
alcoholic
beverage.
Sales
is
for
a
small
venue
classification
for
beer,
Wine
Liquor
consumption.
On
premise.
Only
this
request
would
contain
3
37
square
feet
of
indoor
square
footage
for
alcohol
sales
and
2710
square
feet
for
outdoor
area,
and
that
would
total
6047
square
feet.
D
Overall,
the
parking
required
for
this
specific
use
is
18
spaces
and
18
spaces
are
provided.
I
did
have
one
correction
I
want
to
mention
before
I
show
you
the
site
plan
on
the
staff
report.
It
shows
the
hours
are
consistent
with
chapter
14,
but
the
applicant
has
worked
with
community
members.
The
hours
are
from
11
A.M
to
midnight
daily,
so
Monday
through
Sunday.
That
would
be
the
hours
in
this
request.
This
property
itself
I'm
going
to
show
you
the
site
plan
is
Zone
PD,
so
it
is
part
of
a
plan,
development
I'm.
D
Sorry,
let
me
zoom
in
a
little
bit
so
on
this
plan.
This
is
Isabella.
This
is
Beta
Bay,
which
is
here
really
to
the
South,
because
North
is
this
way.
This
is
Barcelona,
so
this
is
two
Parcels.
This
is
parcel
one,
the
Western
half
of
this
overall
parcel
and
then
parcel
2
is
on
the
East,
so
parcel
one
contains
three
structures:
this
is
the
location
for
the
alcohol
sales.
D
This
is
the
outdoor
area
in
the
lighter
gray,
which
would
run
there,
and
then
the
indoor
area
is
the
darker
shaded
area
for
sales.
Also,
on
the
staff
report
on
the
first
page,
you'll
notice
that
it
states
active
a
b
cells,
and
that's
for-
and
this
is
for
the
first
level,
which
is
a
restaurant
there-
that
a
b
cells
would
stay.
It
is
a
special
restaurant
designation,
it's
just
to
clarify
in
one
building.
D
This
would
be
on
the
rooftop
and
what
exists
is
on
the
first
floor
and
that
will
remain,
and
so
with
that
I'll
show
you
the
aerial,
the
zoning
map.
So
this
is
the
site
that's
outlined
here
in
red.
This
is
Beta
Bay.
This
is
Bayshore,
here's
Isabella
and
then
this
is
the
Expressway.
That's
here
and
so
you'll
see
this
property
has
that
PD
zoning?
This
is
also
a
part
of
it,
but
we
just
highlighted
here
because
this
is
the
location
for
the
ab
cells
in
that
building.
D
D
D
This
is
heading
further
south.
This
is
still
east
of
the
site.
The
Women's
Club
is
there.
The
site
itself
is
located
just
outside
of
the
frame
of
this
picture.
D
This
is
in
within
a
mixed,
Lane
use
category,
so
distance
separation
is
required
to
other
a
b
cells
establishments
as
well
as
to
residential
uses,
and
those
are
two
of
the
waivers
that
are
requested
within
the
site
plan
itself.
So
there
are
site
plan
modifications
to
be
made
between
first
and
second
reading.
We
have
a
revised
revision
sheet.
D
O
O
So
what
I
just
put
into
the
record
is
the
supplement
to
the
revision
sheet,
so
we're
here
seeking
your
approval
for
a
special
use
permit
to
allow
a
rooftop
bar
at
the
the
building
that
lashon
just
described
again.
This
is
this
is
called
Bayshore
Center.
For
for
now
it's
an
office
building,
that's
right!
Next
to
the
expressway
counterculture
is
the
restaurant
currently
in
the
bottom,
the
the
building's
not
really
changing
the
exterior
is
going
to
look
different,
but
the
footprint
of
the
building
is
not
changing
again.
O
This
has
traditionally
been
an
office
building
with
a
restaurant
the
first
floor.
We
think
there's
a
really
nice
opportunity
to
activate
the
rooftop
with
the
bar,
so
we're
going
to
serve
food
too
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second.
It's
important
to
note,
too,
that
we,
this
idea,
has
been
socialized
with
the
neighborhood,
because
when
we
rezoned
the
property
in
2022,
we
made
clear
that
on
the
rooftop
only
there
could
be
a
full
bar
as
opposed
to
something
that's
a
restaurant.
O
Again,
you
can
see
parcel
2,
that's
the
Altura
condo,
that's
currently
under
construction,
along
with
the
parking
garage
parcel
one.
If
you
go
from
Gandy
towards
downtown
on
the
expressway
you'll
see
that
this
building
is
active
under
active
construction.
We
have
permits
this
isn't
hypothetical
this.
This
is
happening
right
now.
So
again
in
2022,
we
reduced
the
office
space
and
increased
the
amount
of
first
floor
that
can
be
used
for
retail
and
food
and
beverage.
This
area
is
seeing
a
fair
amount
of
density
recently
with
the
Aquatic
Conde,
the
Altura
condo,
the
Ritz
Carlton
Residences.
O
So
we
think
this
is
really
emerging
as
a
nice
silicon,
neighborhood
node
in
just
office
in
this
day
and
age,
it
doesn't
really
work
for
the
building,
so
we
think
retail
and
food
and
beverage
as
opposed
to
multi-family.
That
was
a
nice
nice
mixed
use
again
we're
only
talking
about
the
rooftop
the
first
floor.
Those
are
well
any.
Expansion
of
that
for
restaurant
use
would
be
approved
administratively,
but
we're
here
seeking
your
approval
as
a
special
use,
two
permit.
O
As
a
small
venue
candidly,
we
don't
have
enough
room
on
the
rooftop
to
have
a
full
kitchen.
If
we
did,
we
would
probably
have
it
as
a
restaurant.
This
roof,
this
Rooftop
Bar
will
be
affiliated
with
a
restaurant
concept
on
the
first
floor,
not
not
counterculture,
but
a
new
restaurant
that
will
be
going
in
and
because
we
don't
have
a
kitchen
and
we
can't
guarantee
that
51
of
our
sales
are
going
to
be
from
food
and
non-alcoholic
beverages.
O
That's
why
we're
asking
as
a
small
venue
again
as
far
as
hours
of
operation,
the
Amplified
sound
everything
cuts
off
at
midnight
as
a
comparison,
the
the
rooftop
bar
at
the
Epicurean
The
Edge
that
goes
from
Midnight
on
the
weekdays
and
up
till
1am
on
the
the
weekends
we're
just
asking
for
midnight
across
the
board.
The
operator
of
this
establishment
thinks
that's
more
than
plenty,
probably
not
going
to
be
opening
as
early
as
11
A.M,
but
we
do
want
to
have
that
flexibility
in
case
the
concept
evolves
in
any
way.
O
So
again,
that's
the
current
building.
English
on
you
showed
a
couple
different
photographs.
Just
so
you
can
see
a
sense
of
where
it's
going.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
unfriendly
building
and
again
I
don't
want
to
get
too
much
into
the
design.
But
just
so
you
all
have
full
context.
You
can't
really
see
through
the
windows
at
all,
so
it
doesn't
present
with
the
most
friendliness.
That's
really
the
main
thing.
That's
going
to
happen.
O
All
the
windows
are
going
to
be
replaced
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
less
opacity,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
present
as
a
nicer
building
and
again,
the
main
District.
The
main
difference
toggling
between
is
right.
Now
the
roof
is
a
elevator
overrun
mechanical
Penthouse
HVAC
equipment.
Obviously,
as
you
can
see
on
screen
proposing
that
that's
an
actual
sort
of
covered
nice,
nice
bar
use
were
the
waiver
that
they'll
trying
alluded
to
that.
This
is
a
pretty
common
waiver
for
Hyde
Park
Village
the
first
floor
of
the
Pearl
apartment,
any
situation.
O
We
have
multiple
restaurants
together.
This
is
going
to
come
up.
I
think
the
radius
restrictions
certainly
mean
well,
you
don't
want
to
have
an
area
where
there's
you
know
80
bars
and
a
block,
maybe,
but
we
we
think
that
this
makes
sense.
It's
consistent
with
the
zoning.
It's
what
we
told
the
neighborhood.
We
were
going
to
do
that.
We
were
going
to
have
more
restaurant
and
and,
as
a
result,
we're
also
going
to
have
the
special
uses
you
can
see
on
screen
the
hours
we
proposed,
we're
not
aware
of
any
opposition.
O
The
the
landowner
Asana
Partners
owns
has
recently
acquired
the
Nissan
Plus
building
the
Bellows
building
they're
in
the
business
of
preserving
great
retail
Assets
in
Southeastern
cities.
They've
talked
to
some
of
the
neighborhood
associations.
We
really,
we
didn't
hear
anything
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
for
more
food
and
beverage
and
Retail
in
the
area.
The
hours
limitations
were
well
received,
we're
not
trying
to
go
to
3
A.M
we're
not
trying
to
be
7th
Avenue
and
that's.
O
I
Yeah,
we
always
one
of
our
former
colleagues,
always
asked
about
Amplified,
sound
outdoors
and
obviously
everything's
going
to
be
outdoors.
So
can
you
or
somebody
from
staff
just
talk
to
us
about
the
that
how
we
can
control
them
moderate
the
decibels,
sure
whoops.
O
Well,
they
all
start
if
I'm,
if
I'm
inadequate
in
my
response,
maybe
a
little
Sean
can
help
without
opening
up
a
whole
discussion
about
the
noise
ordinance
I
mean
we're
proposing
that
everything
shuts
down
at
12.,
there's
no
difference
for
the
sound
the
hours,
everything
we'll
we'll
be
off
at
midnight,
but
certainly,
if
there's,
if
there's
something,
that's
unreasonable,
it's
you
know
playing
the
audible.
I
mean
we'll
be
subject
to
noise
complaints
from
tpd,
just
like
anyone
else.
O
B
B
O
I
I'm
not
going
to
present
evidence,
but
you
know
sometimes
with
the
atmosphere
and
everything
there's
there's
the
chance
that
this
carries
a
long
way.
So
you
you,
your
old
neighborhood,
could
complain
because
it's
it's
just
because
of
the
weird
situation
of
the
clouds
and
everything
it
could
Bounce
Around
sure.
O
I
I
Being
built,
there's
it
have.
O
You
talked
to
any
of
the
owners
yeah
they're,
very
aware
of
that.
Well,
that
hasn't
really
converted
into
ownership.
I
mean
there
should
actually
made
deposits
but
yeah.
We
we
bought
the
land
from
them,
so
they've
known
the
whole
time
and
I
think
they
view
this,
probably
as
an
amenity.
That's
that's
generally.
What
we've
heard
from
Pennsylvania.
I
A
I
A
piece
of
land,
so
how
does
that
you
or
somebody
from
legal?
How
does
that
carry
with
the
the
filings
to
it?
If,
if
this
building
is,
is
replaced
in
20
years?
Does
this
go
away
then,
because
that
specific
floor
is
not
available
or
how
does
it
work?
Usually
we
say
it
goes
with
the
land,
but
in
this
case
it's
only
going
with
a
floor.
D
Yes,
the
Sean
doc
development
coordination.
What
happens
is
with
this
application?
The
applicant
must
submit
also
a
legal
description
and
that
legal
description
defines
and
takes
us
to
the
floor
in
the
level
of
the
alcohol,
which
is
why
we
can
have
the
existing
one
on
the
first
level
and
we
can
have
one
that's
on
the
upper
level.
So.
I
D
Could
it,
but
it
would
have
to
be
to
that
exact
footprint,
because
that
exact
square
footage
that's
been
provided
for.
You
is
provided
on
that
legal,
so
anyone
that
does
that
and
has
to
rebuild
they
have
to
stay
within
that
parameter.
All
right,
thank
you,
and
also
just
for
the
record
counsel.
If
I
could
regarding
the
outdoor
sound
since
the
applicant,
as
they
have
stated,
has
agreed
to
close
at
midnight.
That
means
outdoor
sound
everything
would
have
to
stop
by
midnight.
Otherwise,
without
a
note
on
the
site
plan,
it
just
follows
their
business
hours.
A
C
K
C
I
Yeah,
sorry,
but
because
I
represented
South,
Tampa
I
just
have
to
say
I'm
going
to
support
this,
but
somebody
who
might
complain
in
the
future
will
watch
this
video
and
wonder
why
I
supported
it,
but
the
applicant
voluntarily
is
ending
at
midnight.
I
They've
they've
stated
on
the
record
that
they'll
adhere
by
all
the
Sound
Ordinance
issues
and
and
there's
because
of
the
nature
of
of
it.
It
should
not
create
extra
sound
if
somebody
does
in
the
future.
It's
because
they're,
not
following
the
rules
and
we'll
have
to
enforce
it.
Thank
you.
C
C
E
L
C
I
put
it
I'll,
read:
The
Substitute
yeah,
all
right,
all
right
then
the
last
is
we
have
a
walk-on
item
of
requests
or
remember
from
Susan
Johnson
Velez
setting
a
public
hearing
on
July
27
2023
at
1,
30
PM
in
city
council
chambers
right
here,
and
that
is
for
notice
of
intent
to
suspend
the
sale
of
alcoholic
beverages.
I,
believe
you
have
some
motion.
Oh
you
have
emotion.
Oh
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
sorry.
N
Okay,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
schedule
a
public
hearing
at
which
public
hearing
of
all
parties
and
interests
and
citizens
may
appear
and
be
heard
as
to
any
and
all
matters
pertinent
to
the
proposed
suspension,
suspension
of
an
approval
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
relating
to
the
Social
House
located
at
6310
North
Florida
Avenue
Tampa
Florida
33604.
This
hearing
will
take
place
on
July
27
2023
at
1
30
PM
in
council
chambers,
the
third
floor,
City
Hall,
315,
East,
Kennedy,
Boulevard,
Tampa
Florida.
N
This
motion
also
directs
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
to
notify
the
owner
of
the
property
and
the
holder
of
the
alcoholic
beverage
license
for
the
property
described
on
the
notice
attached
here
too,
by
certified
mail,
not
less
than
30
days
from
July
27
2023
of
City
council's
intention
to
hold
a
hearing
to
consider
suspension
of
the
approval
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
from
the
subject
property.
We.
I
I
I
know
several
of
us
were
very
concerned
about
some
of
the
items
in
the
case
and
I
I
said
at
the
time
that
that
that
what
I
was
saying
had
nothing
to
do
with
you
personally
that
had
the
most
respect
for
you
and
your
position
and
I've
always
enjoyed
working
with
you,
but
some
of
my
friends
called
and
said
you
know
you
were
kind
of
rude
to
her,
and
so
I
was
going
to
tell
you
personally,
but
I
want
to
tell
you
publicly
so
that
people
can
see
it.
I
C
I
We
talked
about
earlier
and
thank
you
all
for
bearing
with
me
this
afternoon,
but
we
talked
about
earlier
about
having
a
briefing
from
heart.
I
I
looked
at
the
calendar
and
it's
busy
all
the
way
until
I
wanted
to
put
on
on
a
on
a
workshop,
but
the
soonest
one
would
be
the
end
of
October.
So
we
could
put
it
on
August
7th
staff
reports
like
around
is
that
okay
and
I.
C
I
In
staff
reports
should
I
say:
should
we
put
a
time
limit,
10
minutes
or
something
sure
sure
so
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
have
a
representative
heart
brief,
City
Council
on
the
organization
and
their
plans
on
August
7th
during
staff
reports
for
10
minutes
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
I
think
it
was
September
7th.
F
Wait
what's
up
your
call,
September
7th,
the
only
the
only
the
only
thing
I
would
be
just
concerned
about
Council,
and
if
you
look
at
the
agenda,
I
don't
know
when
this
is
going
to
appear,
but
the
mayor
has
been
invited
to
appear
in
person
to
present
the
budget.
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
what.
B
I
C
C
N
C
I
One
last
thing:
not
a
not
emotion
but
just
I
watched
some
of
the
rest
of
the
meeting
and
you
all
know:
I
I
came
in
last
Thursday
so
that
I
could
be
at
the
meeting,
because
I'm
concerned
about
overspending
within
the
city
and
I
was
very
disappointed
in
the
way
staff
reacted
to
it.
I
I
mean
essentially,
they
stuck
a
middle
finger
at
bed
as
and
said.
We
don't
care
if
you
think
we're
overspending,
we're
not
going
to
provide
oversight
and
nobody's
called
me
since
then
nobody's
talked
about
it
and
you
all
know
I'd
rather
have
a
a
roll
back
of
the
of
the
Avalon
rate,
because
I
think
last
Administration
raised
it
too
much.
People
are
complaining,
renters
are
complaining,
there's
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
being
wasted
in
this
city,
and
we
need
most
of
it
is
being
wasted
in
contract
Administration.
I
We
need
a
way
to
provide
accountability
and
we've
got
you
all
supported.
Putting
that
on
the
agenda
to
have
them
come
back,
but
I,
don't
think
the
public
would
support
anything
knowing
that
there's
so
much
waste
going
on
out
there
and
we've
got
to
provide
accountability
for
it
and
and
we
need
the
administration
to
be
partners
with
us
on
providing
that
accountability.
Thank
you.
K
And
yeah
I
mean
I.
I've
always
said
that
you
know
we're
we're
just
talking
about
Revenue
issues.
Etc
and
you
know
before
we,
you
know
whatever
consider
a
tax
increase
is,
as
you
wisely
say,
we
have
to
exhaust
all
other
remedies
that
includes
spending
cuts,
waste.
That
includes
you've.
You
know
been
a
proponent
of
looking
at
the
CRA
that
includes
impact
fees
that
councilwoman
her
attack
has
talked
about.
K
N
I
I
I
concur
with
councilman
Vera,
but
with
all
due
respect,
councilman
Carlson
I
think
tossing
out
some
of
that
language.
I
think
without
specifics
is,
is
kind
of
a
little
bit.
Posturing
and
I
and
I
I
see
so
many
unmet
needs
in
the
city,
and
you
look
at
the
budget.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
you're
seeing
that
I'm
not
seeing
I
wanted
to
I
mean
if
you've
got
that.
Please
bring
It
Forward
because
I
don't
see.
N
You
know
if
you
came
back
to
us
with
you
know
from
very
specific
items,
referenced
the
the
what
you
just
said
to
really
Target
that,
because
I
would
like
to
look
at
that.
If
that
exists,
but
I
said
again,
I
think
that
you're
right
I
mean,
as
we
look
at
it
as
we
look
at
as
stewards
of
the
the
purse
of
the
city
of
Tampa
I.
N
Think
it's
important
that
we,
you
know,
take
that
role
very
seriously
and
that
if
there
are,
you
know
if
there's
ways
for
us
to
manage
the
budget
smarter
than
we're
doing
it.
Today,
we
should
be
doing
that.
N
Of
course,
we
should,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
and
make
sure
that
we
we
we
we
take
these
steps
very
deliberately,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
unmet
needs
and
and
the
actions
that
we're
taking
today
is
going
to
direct
what
the
city
looks
like
in
the
future
when,
when
my
grandchild
grows
up
and
and
lives
and
works
and
plays
here,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing.
Councilman.
C
L
I
just
want
to
say
that
as
budget
chairman
I
look
at
things
and
I
look
at
things
how
we
can
save
money
all
the
time.
However,
we
did
not
say
that
anything
was
going
to
happen
directly.
There
was
conversation
about
an
increase
in
the
village
and
I
brought
up
just
a
second
I
said:
let's
find
out
what
the
upswing
is
on
the
values
of
properties.
You
may
not
need
a
budget
thing,
I,
don't
know
what
the
upswing
is.
I,
don't
know
what
the
tax
rows
are
going
to
say.
L
That's
going
to
bring
in,
and
you
know
when,
when
you
look
at
the
budget
and
you
look
at
revenues
coming
in
all
the
abdullorm
taxes
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
all
of
them
combined
doesn't
take
care
of
the
fire
and
police.
Now
if
I
say
that
there
that
I
I'm
talking
about
myself
Charlie
if
I
was
to
say
that
I
know
this
millions
of
dollars
being
wasted,
I'm
going
to
say
words
wasted
at
so
you've
got
to
have
a
conversation
of
what's
coming
before
and
that's
all
I'm
asking.
I
Yeah
I
don't
want
to
hold
this
up
for
a
long
time,
but
just
quickly
that
it's
some
bullet
points.
We
know
that
in
Channel
district
and
downtown
CRA
there's
money
that
the
numbers
that
were
presented
so
in
downtown
the
other
day
were
a
little
bit
inflated.
But
the
channel
district
for
sure
has
money,
Hannah
Avenue.
What
I
was
asking
for
last
week
is
to
get
a
purchasing
person
in
charge
of
contract
administration,
because
someone
decided
to
not
even
put
it
out
for
bid
it
for
108
million
dollars.
I
They
should
have
put
it
out
for
a
bit
and
they
should
have
put
the
increase.
So
if
you
don't
know
how
much
you
would
have
saved
but
as
I
say,
if
you
say
five
percent-
that's
that
would
double
the
Park's
budget
or
double
the
the
road
budget
for
the
year.
If
you
save
ten
percent,
it'd
be
even
more
and
it
probably
you
could
have.
It
was
started
with
a
2015
contract
for
400
000
that
went
up
to
108.
No
business
would
ever
do
anything
like
that.
I
The
Fair
Oaks
or
east
coast
East
Tampa
recreational
center
started
as
5
million
then
went
to
18
million.
They
went
to
41
million
without
even
asking
us.
If
you
look
at
the
23
million
dollar
increase.
If
they
had
asked
us
or
even
asked
the
people
in
East
Tampa,
they
probably
would
have
allocated
the
money
a
different
way,
but
that's
23
million
right
there.
So
that's
almost
five
times
the
road
repair
Budget
on
one
project
and
the
answer
is
well
it's
bonded,
but
both
of
these
Fair,
Oaks
and
Hannah
were
bonded.
I
If,
if,
if,
if
CFO
came
to
us
and
said,
we've
got
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
bonding
capacity,
then
we
could
talk
to
the
community
and
figure
out
what's
the
highest
priority
to
spend
that
on,
but
instead
it's
it.
Hannah
Avenue
was
a
big
waste
of
money.
It's
in
hindsight
now,
but
we're
still
looking
at
the
front
of
the
Fair
Oaks.
But
we've
got
to
prevent
anything
like
that
from
happening
in
because,
what's
the
next
one
we
know
the
water
department
has
had
lots
of
projects.
They've
spent
money
on
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
They
presented
to
us
that
they
had
a
10
million
surplus
I
started,
asking
questions
about
how
to
reduce
the
water
rate.
Last
week,
an
RFP
popped
up
for
10
million
dollars
for
a
water
plan.
I
So
now
that
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
that
number
will
be
zero,
so
I
don't
know
if
they
need
a
10
million
dollar
plan,
but
that's
there
and
then
Solid
Waste
had
a
eight
million
dollar
deficit.
I
If
that
means
that
the
general
fund
has
to
cover
the
deficit,
then
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
either
increase
Solid
Waste
price,
and
ideally
we
would
decrease
water
slightly.
So
they
would
balance
in
the
net
to
the
public
would
be
the
same.
But
today
the
CFO
and
presenting
said
I
know
that
issue
was
brought
up
but
but
nobody's
interested
in
it
right
because
I
wasn't
here,
but
that's
eight
million
dollars.
If
that
money
is
being
covered
by
the
general
fund,
that's
eight
million
dollars
that
could
have
been
added
to
affordable
housing
Parks.
I
But
you
start
adding
all
that
up.
It's
it,
and
these
are
just
the
one
that
the
top
of
the
line
there.
It's
PR
it's!
If
you,
if
you
a
year
ago,
our
our
advisory
committee
found
that
72
I
think
million
dollar
slash
fund
and
so
there's
there's
lots
of
money
out
there
that
could
be
spent
the
money.
That's
not
dedicated
through
Enterprise
funds
is
not
very
much,
and
so
you
find
a
small
amount
somewhere
and
it
can
make
a
big
difference.
I
So
the
issue
is:
we've
got
to
get
actively
involved
in
the
budget
and
make
sure
that
we're
watching
everything
that
our
advisors
on
the
Committees
are
watching
everything,
because
there's
lots
of
money
that
could
be
had.
We
could
have
solved
four
years
of
of
Road
problems
had
had
the
public
had
a
choice
on
spending
it
all
in
a
park
or
not
I.
Think.
P
I
have
to
because
it
keeps
coming
up
every
single
week.
The
discussion
about
Fair
Oaks,
so
I
had
to
do
some
research
on
my
own.
Initially,
the
Fair
Oaks
project
was
a
small
three
acre
plot
for
a
park
for
that
particular
Community.
But
then
the
senior
citizen
at
Al
Barnes,
was
also
a
part
of
the
discussion,
so
it
became
not
just
a
project
for
a
park.
It
became
the
senior
citizen,
Senior
Center.
That
initially
was
proposed
by
councilman
Goods
at
Al,
Barnes
Park.
P
That's
now
a
part
of
the
10.3
acre
property
at
Fair
Oaks,
so
it
initially
started
out
as
an
18
million
dollar
project
for
one
building
and
now
the
combined
two
is
a
36
million
dollar
project,
plus
some
additional
fees
that
I
haven't
quite
figured
out.
What
that
part
means
yet
so
the
The
Proposal
actually
was
presented
to
this
Council
last
year
at
37
million
dollars
when
it
was
presented.
According
to
my
understanding
and
the
council
had
no
problem
with
it
at
that
time.
P
It
was
never
brought
up
during
the
campaign
that
there
was
an
issue
of
waste
of
spending
on
Fair
Oaks
Hannah
Oaks
was
constantly
mentioned.
But
Not
Fair
Oaks,
never
not
once
in
any
form
that
I
attended,
also
in
terms
of
solid
waste.
Solid
Waste
should
not
be
an
Enterprise
in
being
the
Enterprise
trash
should
not
be
considered
an
entity
where
we
expect
for
them
to
make
a
profit
in
the
trash
business
it
just
shouldn't
be,
especially
if
the
convention
center
is
not
a
part
of
the
Enterprise
Zone.
P
But
that's
me
still
learning
about
Finance
in
this
District
I
think
that's
just
where
I'm
going
to
end
it
I'm
going
to
continue
to
do
my
research
regarding
Fair
Oaks
that
has
been
under
represented
in
terms
of
you
know
the
beautification
of
a
park
and
a
facility
for
seniors
that
have
been
begging
for
for
decades.
B
P
You
know
the
expenses
within
that
41
million
dollars
to
get
both
the
senior
senior
Senior
Center,
as
well
as
the
park
on
a
10
acre
plot
of
land,
10.3
Acres
that
initially
started
out
as
three.
So
it
was
a
smaller
project
and
it
did
grow
and
it
was
presented
to
this
Council.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
and
I'll
continue
to
do
my
research
to
spar
on
this
issue,
because
that
is
the
community
that
is
deserving
of
you
know.
Public
space
like
this.
L
When
the
senior
ladies
travel
all
the
way
from
out
there
to
Reagan's
Park
to
have
their
dancing
lessons
and
so
forth,
and
so
on,
I
remember,
sitting
close
by
Frank
Reddick
and
myself
were
trying
to
help
them
to
get
another
area
because
they
wanted
that
and
I
think
I
danced
with
every
one
of
them.
That's
how
I
learned
to
dance
I
guess
the.
B
L
Well,
I
don't
want
to
go
one
of
my
childhood,
but
it
and
then,
when
you
look
at
something,
as
you
know,
I
come
from
the
hood
and
you
heard
me
say
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
bad
or
that
that's
what
they
they
named
us
that
I
wouldn't
give
us
that
name.
You're
bad!
Well,
thank
you
for
accomplishment,
but.
L
Is
this
that
we
had
nothing,
but
we
had
one
thing
because
skating
park
in
a
swimming
pool
and
we
walk
and
day
and
night
that
we
spend
our
whole
time
there.
So
when
you
live
in
an
area
that
you're
looking
for
Hope
and
ambition
to
get
somewhere
from
pointing
to
be
how
do
I
get
here
to
get
where
I
want
to
go
and
half
of
us
didn't
know,
we
were
doing
that.
L
L
You
got
to
be
lucky,
but
you
got
to
have
that
degree
somewhere
along
the
line
and
I
think
that
that
there
that
money
that
we
spent,
you
spent
a
hell
of
a
lot
more
in
sports
than
when
doing
giving
somebody
hope
and
I'm,
not
against
Sports
I'm
against
funding
stadiums
for
sports
sports
is
a
great
thing
for
the
world.
It
keeps
you
mentally.
L
It
keeps
you
physically
and
it
keeps
you
what
teaches
you
how
to
win
and
it
teaches
you
how
to
lose
and
the
people
that
are
losing
for
a
long
time
are
the
ones
that
are
winning
today
and
the
people
who
are
winning
all
the
time
with
high
salary
ball.
Players
are
the
ones
that
are
not
winning
today
and
it's
an
evolution
of
time
and
talent
and
I'm,
not
against
what
I'm
saying,
but
we
were
going
to
spend
60
or
70
million
dollars,
or
so
without
going
into
the
I.
L
Don't
know
the
parameters
because
I
never
talked
about.
That
was
the
other
side
of
the
administration,
the
mayor's
Society,
but
the
other
ones
that
do
the
contact
with
the
one
either
approve
or
disapprove
of
the
item.
So
I'm
not
talking
about
the
sporting
right
now,
but
I
know
wrong
thing
now
that
thing
and
that
area
will
help
the
city
of
Tampa
more
than
any
other
Stadium.
Thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
nice
day.
I
I
We
didn't
attend
a
lot
of
the
same
debates
together
because
most
of
mine
were
in
South
Tampa,
but
the
when,
when
the
community
came
before
us
four
years
ago,
I
don't
remember
who
all
did
what
but
I
remember.
I
was
one
of
the
first
ones.
That
said
we
got
to
go,
do
something
about
it.
The
administration
was
not.
The
last
administration
had
been
asked
twice
to
spend
375
000,
they
rejected
it.
I
So
we,
the
CRA,
had
a
meeting
at
Fair
Oaks
which
I
attended
I,
listen
all
the
feedback,
the
mayor
at
the
beginning
of
it
had
a
video
that
said
she
had
put
in
the
budget
to
renovate
at
375
000..
The
only
reason
that
that
any
of
this
moved
after
that
it
was
because
of
us,
the
city
council,
sitting
at
a
CRA
board,
because
we
insisted
that
the
administration
replaced
that
building
the
administration
did
not
originate
it.
But
then,
a
few
months
later,
they
came
back
and
said
we
want
to
do
something
bigger.
I
So
then
we
supported
them.
Although
I
did
it
tentatively,
because
it's
a
lot
of
money
if
they
presented
37
million
a
year
ago,
I'd
like
to
see
it.
The
way
I
found
out
about
the
41
was
that
it
was
an
eight-point
type
in
a
in
a
report
that
was
not
was
not
presented
to
us
like
that,
and
certainly
that
we
never
voted
on
37
million
at
least
I
did
not.
I
The
problem
is
that
the
problem
is,
is
that
it's
not
a
choice
and,
and
some
people
in
the
administration
are
pushing
in
East
Tampa
that
I'm
against
Fair
Oaks
I'm
against
East
Ham,
because
that
benefits
them
politically.
But
but
the
situation
is
that
we're
we're
stuck
because
now
the
community
has
been
promised
this.
My
point
and
and
definitely
East
Tampa
deserves
to
have
a
great
part.
The
problem
is
is
how
the
budget
was
created.
It
was
not
done
in
consultation
with
half
the
government,
which
is
city
council.
I
I
Or
would
you
like
to
spend
41
million
in
one
Park,
the
the
people
that
don't
live
near
Fair
Oaks,
probably
would
say
why
don't
you
spend
on
the
other
parks
and-
and
so
the
point
is
that
there's
lots
of
money
in
the
city,
but
we
could
go
to
Sulfur
Springs
to
build
a
45
million
dollar
Park
too.
That
would
be
fantastic.
We
could
go,
build
rebuild
the
roads
and
everything,
but
we
have
the
tough
choice
of
making
choices
about
what
we're
going
to
do.
I
I
We
need
to
participate
in
the
budget,
we
should
not
be
presented,
something
that's
done,
that's
been
promised
to
the
public
and
it
and
and
hopefully
will
come
to
the
same
conclusion
as
the
as
the
as
the
administration,
but
we
can't
just
be
handed
something
after
it's
already
been
promised
because
there's
we
have
a
shortage
of
money.
Thank
you
say.
K
One
thing
yes,
just
amend,
I,
you
know
I
and
I
know
we're
nonpartisan.
Here
we
run
as
nonpartise,
but
I
always
tell
people
I'm
an
old-fashioned
Bobby,
Kennedy
Democrat
and
that's
Senator
Bobby
Kennedy,
not
Bobby
Kennedy
Jr,
but
which
is
I
I,
believe
in
the
power
of
government
to
improve
the
lives
of
people.
Just
yesterday,
I
was
actually
reading
the
Kerner
Commission
report
from
1967,
and
that
came
across
the
section
on
East
Tampa.
K
We
are
in
the
Kerner
Commission
report
because
of
the
killing
of
Martin
Chambers
in
1967
in
the
rights
that
happened,
and
you
look
at
a
lot
of
the
challenges
that
that
report
talked
about
and
they
still
exist
today
and
I
I.
You
know
I
I,
remember
councilman,
Carlson,
being
very
passionate
about
this
facility
at
CRA
and
Council
and
that's
110
percent.
K
110
percent
I
just
want
us
to
go
forward
on
this,
knowing
that
this
is
something
that
is
needed
when
the
Kerner
Commission
report
talked
about
East
Tampa
in
1967,
they
talked
about
the
lack
of
recreation,
centers
and-
and
you
know
here
we
are
55
years
later
well
over
half
a
century
later
and
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
the
same
issues.
K
So
for
me,
this
is
something
that
everybody
here
fought
for
and
and
councilman
Carlson
councilman,
Goods
I,
remember
led
the
way
on
this,
as
well
as
as
others
and
it's
something
that
I
think
we
should
all
be
very
proud
of.
That's
my
opinion
and
and
I'm
sticking
to
it.
Thank
you.
H
I
know
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
I
know
we'll
have
more
discussions
about
the
park
later,
but
I'm
actually
bringing
up
the
point
that
Mr
Miranda
talked
about
trying
to
get
back
to
the
budget
and
and
I
do
agree
with
Mr
Carlson.
We
we
need
to
have
a
bigger
role
in
the
budget
and,
as
I
was
sitting
here,
I
had
called
Mr
O'hara
earlier,
because
I
have
a
question
about.
H
You
know
when
we're
getting
the
money
for
well
yeah
when
we're
going
to
get
the
when
we're
going
to
get
the
amount
of
money
from
the
Hillsborough
County
like
what
I
mean
I
know
we
get
that
relatively
soon.
So
I'd
actually
like
to
see
that.
But
it
also
reminded
me
that
we
have
to
know
how
much
money
or
what,
what
Mills
we're
looking
at
way
before
we
get
the
budget
on
August
3rd.
H
That
should
be
our
decision,
but
it
never
is.
We
always
approve
it
afterward
when
we're
approving
the
budget.
Finally,
when
we're
the
ones
that
have
to
set
that
mill
rate
that
that's
our
job,
so
I'm
curious
when
we're
going
to
get
that
possible
calculation,
I,
so
I,
don't
know
if
I
want
to
make
that
emotion.
But
yes,
so
so
I
I
make
a
motion
that
we
and
I
I
know
it's
I.
H
Have
it
written
on
my
desk
Kelly
if
you're
still
here,
if
you
could
bring
my
my
2024
budget,
folder
forward,
I'd
appreciate
it
and,
in
the
meantime,
I
have
two
other
emotions.
Okay.
H
So
while
we
were
also
talking
about
Parks
and
Rec,
it
reminded
me
that
we
got
an
email
from
the
if
you
all
get
these
emails
from
Tampa
police
about
all
the
different
things
that
are
going
on,
and
we
heard
about
the
the
gun,
violence
on
Main,
Street
and
so
I
want
to
make
a
motion
to
have
tpd
and
Parks
and
Rec
Come
Share
what
we're
doing
to
provide
activities
for
the
city's
youth
during
the
summer.
Thank
you
don't
go.
H
I
guess
it
might
not
be
here
for
the
city's
youth
during
summer
to
help
reduce
gun
violence
on
July
27th
during
staff
reports.
H
It's
it's
it's
busy,
but
it's
not
as
busy
as
the
13th
and
I
think.
I
would
love
to
have
a
five
minute
thing
on
the
13th.
We
just
don't
have
enough
room
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
a
huge
discussion,
but
I
want
to
know
because
we
talked
about
it
last
summer
and
I
know
that
the
summer
program
with
pal,
but
so
I
just
want
them
to
come.
Tell
us
maybe
share
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
think
about
during
the
budget
cycle
how
we
expand
that.
H
Okay,
so
my
notes
from
this
I
wanted
to
know
when
we
get
the
estimate
so
I'd
make
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
have
Mr
O'hara,
bring
back
to
us
or
provide
to
us,
as
a
report
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
would
get
this
information.
H
The
the
information
from
the
property
appraisers
tax
rolls
the
estimate
of
what
could
be
raised
for
the
general
fund,
so
we
can
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
playing
with
before
we
even
get
the
mayor's
budget.
Additionally,
I
would
like
to
to
know
when
we're
going
to
to
to
have
a
discussion
about
them.
Do
you
want
to
say
so
the
max
millage
rate,
the
Dr
420
we
have
to
put
in
that,
has
to
go
in
in
August
and
that's
something
that
we
should
decide?
H
L
L
H
Actually,
you
can't,
because
once
they
put
in
that
dr420,
they
cannot
raise
it
anymore.
So
if
we
wanted
to
raise
it
more
than
the
mayor,
we
would
not
be
able
to
because
the
trim
notices
have
to
go
out.
Your
trim
notice
goes
out
earlier,
so
we
have
to
be
ahead
of
the
game.
We
we
don't
have
that
ability
to
move
it
higher.
We
can
go
lower,
lower.
L
H
L
H
H
What
what
we're
looking
at
for
millage
Max,
possible
Miller,
and
once
we
get
the
information
from
the
property
taser
appraisers
tax
rolls.
What
we're
looking
at
as
an
estimate
for
the
general
fund.
L
B
N
I
Need
to
have
that
day.
The
other
thing
is
you
you
man,
you
asked
earlier.
You
asked
earlier
of
the
CFO
about
looking
at
other.
Was
it
you
or
somebody
asked
about
looking
at
the
other
cities
to
see
where
ours
ring
yeah?
Okay,
so
we
ideally,
we
would
have
that
at
that
time
too,
and
don't
forget,
the
charter
allows
us
another
position.
Besides
Marty,
which
is
the
financial
advisor
yeah
budget
analysis,
I
mean
we
really
should
have
that
person
if
they
come
back
with
exactly
the
same
answer
as
the
city.
I
H
Well,
we
can
certainly
at
budget
time,
get
one
of
those
or
hire
someone,
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
write
this
as
I
go
and
then,
of
course,
my
pen
died
so
I'm
pulling
out
something
else
motion
to
ask
Dennis
to
provide
us.
H
H
The
the
estimated
Max
millage
rate.
H
The
admin
the
administration
is
considering.
C
H
On
yeah
on,
actually
that
would
be
the
27th
yeah
of
2023
during
staff
reports.
Yes,.
B
B
H
July
13th,
because
this
can
be
simply
a
report,
we
don't
have
to
discuss
it,
but
I
that
way.
It's
not
added
on
to
anything.
It's
just
a
written
report
us
a
written
in
in
written
form
in
form,
and
we
also
need
to
know
also
the
dr420.
L
Fact
this
last
budget
that
we
had
that
the
one
that
we're
in
now
this
is
the
first
time
that
in
a
long
time
that
it
was
only
about
26
million
dollars
short
between
All,
the
Monies
we
collect
in
that
form,
taxes,
there's
26
million
short
for
the
Fire
and
Police
Department
alone,
and
in
the
past
it
used
to
be
in
the
high
40s
and
mid
50s
yeah.
Should
you
read
that
again
for
the
records.