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These
ladies,
have
made
not
only
all
of
Tampa
proud
but
South
Tampa,
proud,
also
I,
congratulate
you
on
your
achievements.
If
I
may
read
through
this
real
quickly,
Tampa
City
Council
congratulate
all
of
you
for
your
outstanding
participation
in
the
South
Tampa
all-stars
and
to
your
contribution
that
led
them
to
the
World
Series
championship
at
the
Little
League
World
Series
in
Kirkland
Washington.
We
are
proud
to
all
work
honor,
all
of
you,
you
and
your
teammates,
your
managers
for
their
dedication,
perseverance,
Drive,
outstanding
commitment
to
the
game
of
softball.
E
E
F
G
E
E
G
G
E
A
E
A
A
A
C
I
A
E
I
Salisbury
North
Carolina
and
play
a
regionals
and
I
rented
an
RV
for
the
girls,
so
we
got
fun.
You
know
the
air
went
out
as
soon
as
we
got
to
the
RV,
so
it
was
a
hundred
degrees
all
the
way
up
and
they
were
like
yelling
at
me.
The
whole
way,
but
it
was
fun,
I
told
him.
I
was
trying
to
get
him
in
shape.
You
know
for
the
heat.
E
E
J
I
Counsel
with
c-train,
you
stole
my
thunder
I
wanted
to
give
the
shout
out
to
the
parents,
because
I
know
from
the
age
of
four
or
five
you've
been
dragging
them
to
the
fields
and
teaching
them
along
the
way
and
sportsmanship
and
everything
else.
That's
important
and
I'm
I'm
as
a
south,
as
somebody
born
and
raised
in
south
half
I
couldn't
be
more
proud
of
you.
So
thank
you.
Congratulations.
C
H
Just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
and
congratulations
again
with
this
kind
of
spirit
and
teamwork
and
hard
work.
I
hope
that
when
you
all
graduate
from
college
you'll
come
back
to
Tampa
and
make
Tampa
even
better
than
it
is
now,
because
we
need
more
smart,
aggressive,
successful
people
like
you.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you've
done.
J
Ladies
is
a
great
accomplishment
to
be
a
the
world
champion.
I
can
say
that
because
I'm,
my
district,
we
memorize
Little
League,
who
has
been
a
pinnacle
of
Tampa
for
many
many
decades
now,
you're
in
the
history
books,
myself,
coaching
youth
football
for
many
many
years,
I
know
what
it
is
to
be
a
coach.
It
takes
a
lot
to
be
a
coach
to
endure
doing
the
practice
when
you
don't
want
to
go
to
practice.
Coaches,
so
I
understand-
and
you
know
it's
great-
that
the
leadership
you've
given
these
young.
Ladies
and
friends
like
mr.
J
A
Chairman,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
things
accordingly,
but
when
you
go
back
what
you
accomplished,
the
rest
of
your
life
because
I
know
I
had
a
chance
wants
to
win,
but
I'm
the
guy
who
gave
up
the
home
run
to
the
Cubans.
So
I'm
going
to
tell
you
this
of
all
the
things
I've
ever
done,
including
serving
here
the
greatest
thing.
I
remember,
my
life
was
going
to
Cuba
to
play
ball
and
a
camaraderie
who
were
the
guys
that
I
play
with
it's
still.
There
was
still
me
and
I.
A
D
C
Thank
you
very
much
and
you
know
congratulations
on
this
great
honor
I
played
Little
League
when
I
was
a
kid
at
the
Temple,
Terrace,
Little,
League
and
and
those
were
great
days,
they
were
to
quote
Bryan
Adams
the
best
days
of
my
life
and
really
really
good
times,
and
you
know
in
baseball,
I
I
grew
up
on
baseball
and
it
sounds
like
the
the
kind
of
last
minute
play
that
happened
was
kind
of
a
Kirk
Gibson
1988
World
Series
type
thing.
So
that's
that's
really
good.
C
B
E
B
E
B
E
B
I
Not
a
question
that,
thanks
for
putting
this
together
so
quickly
self,
just
more
two
to
mr.
Bennett
and
staff
is-
and
maybe
this
goes
without
saying,
but
to
make
sure
that
the
CTV
John
that
the
CTV
covers
you
know
covers
us
and
Scrolls
all
these
changes.
So
if
we
do
change
that
everybody
gets
the
word
out
as
best
as
possible
on
Channel
15.
Thank
you.
It
will
be
we
advertised
as
well
so.
C
And
any
further
comments
or
questions
from
Council
and
before
we
take
a
vote,
I
know
councilman
Miranda
moved
for
this.
Is
there
anybody
here
in
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment
on
this
item
in
in
councilman
Citra
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
surge
is
for
purposes
of
calendaring
September
11th,
and
what
is
it
24th
are
those
good
on
your
calendar?
I
will
make
them
work
just
making
sure
okay,
we
have
a
motion
by
Councilman
Miranda
in
a
second
by
whom
councilman
dig
Felder
all
in
favor
any
opposed.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
And
before
we
get
it
out,
just
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
people
watching
this
I
kind
of
wanted
to
go
over
if
I
may,
some
of
the
basic
perimeters
of
what
we're
gonna
do,
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
emails
in
terms
of
what's
gonna,
be
discussed
today,
etc.
The
perimeters
here,
the
city's
requesting
that
council
approve
a
300
million
dollar
line
item
and
an
overall
water
and
wastewater
master
plan
budget
called
pipes
to
develop
an
alternative
water
supply.
This
requires
three
hundred
million
dollars
be
either
allocated
for
that
purpose.
C
The
city
is
recommending
four
options
for
city
council
in
the
public
to
consider
at
a
workshop
today
at
5:01.
This
is
only
a
workshop
to
introduce
these
items.
No
vote
will
occur
tonight
on
this
matter
and
the
four
options
are,
as
everyone
knows,
purchasing
water
from
Tampa,
Bay,
water,
developing
an
indirect
portal
or
pod
portable
water
system,
developing
direct
potable
water
system
and
then
expanding
the
purple
pipe
system,
so
just
for
everybody
out
there
watching
in
terms
of
the
I
guess
if
people
desculpe
of
what's
gonna
happen
here
tonight,
so
go
ahead.
Sir.
Mr.
C
K
All
right,
good
evening,
chairman
good
evening,
councilman
John,
Bennett
chief
of
staff
city
of
Tampa
I,
just
wanted
to
kind
of
set
a
framework
for
what
the
staff
is
going
to
deliver
tonight.
As
the
chairman
mentioned,
they're
gonna
bring
in
four
options
but,
as
we
know,
and
as
the
administration
has
encouraged
in
staffs
presentation
in
support
of
our
collegiality
that
we've
been
using,
is
that
there's
also
a
fifth
option,
which
is
do
nothing
and
I?
Think
it's
important
that
we
frame
out
that
there's
four
options
and
there's
the
risk
of
it?
K
What
is
the
sustainability
of
that
to
me,
others
in
the
community,
in
the
region
and
the
environment,
and
then,
lastly,
is
it
going
to
taste
and
have
the
same
safety
and
level
of
quality
and
I?
Think
as
they
go
through
the
four
options
tonight,
including
the
fifth
option
of
doing
nothing?
That's
the
framework
that
I
tended
to
look
at
it
with
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
perspective
as
the
folks
go
through
their
presentation.
H
Think
it's
an
important,
like
chairman
bier,
said
to
separate
the
discussion
next
week
from
the
discussion
tonight,
and
the
discussion
tonight
is
specifically
about
these
four
options
and
by
the
way,
when
I
suggested
the
four
options
I
also
suggested.
Two
more
so
I
always
thought
there
were
six
and
I
know
there
may
be
hundreds
of
iterations
of
those,
and
we
can
talk
about
the
other
two.
But
I.
H
Think
that
do
nothing
option
is,
is
the
preferred
option,
because
there
are
questions
about
the,
and
maybe
you
are
talking
about
next
week
when
you
said,
do
nothing,
but
the
do
not
thing
option
is
the
preferred
option
in
my
mind,
because
there's
not
a
when
I've
talked
to
other
weather
scientists
outside
the
city
of
Tampa.
There's
not
an
immediate
need
for
this
project.
There's
not
an
immediate
need
for
new
water
sources,
we're
at
least
10
to
15
years
away
from
needing
new
sources.
H
I've
asked
in
writing
for
the
for
the
water
department
to
answer
my
specific
questions
that
were
given
to
me
by
what
our
engineers
outside
the
city
and
they
did
not
respond
to
me
in
writing.
They
tried
to
respond
to
me
in
on
them
on
Monday
verbally
and
dismiss
the
question,
but
the
underlying
question
is
here:
do
we
need
this?
H
And
yes,
we
will
need
this
eventually,
we
will
need
it
in
15
or
20
years
or
we'll
need
some
other
source
in
15
or
20
years,
but
there
are
real
serious
questions
about
whether
it's
fiscally
prudent
to
push
this
right
now
and
and
as
I've
said
to
you
and
the
and
the
water
department.
There
was
a
big
push
for
this
in
the
last
administration
and
the
new
administration
we
inherited
this
and
I
think
we
have
to
be
sus.
H
H
dink,
Felder
was
asking
it
whether
we
could
discuss
tap
and
I
said:
I
asked
the
water
department.
Can
we
delay
that
till
after
September
5th?
Can
we
delay
all
discussion
about
tap
until
after
September
5th
I
went
on
vacation
a
couple
weeks
later
and
they
tried
to
slide
through
$670,000?
The
cell
tap
is
the
preferred
alternative
and
all
along
I
had
been
asking
them.
H
If
you,
if
that's
your
preferred
alternative,
show
me
the
results,
show
me
the
analysis
you
did
and
they
finally
admitted
that
they
didn't
have
the
analysis
and
then
this
week
they
said
we
had
the
analysis
all
along
and
they
didn't
give
it
to
us.
So
the
point
is
that
they're
not
acting
in
good
faith
and
I,
don't
trust
the
results
that
they've
given
I
looked
at
this
from
a
very
high
level.
It's
it's!
H
H
A
new
one
is
saltwater
intrusion
which
just
came
up
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
and
they
accidentally
put
it
twice
and
deleted
it
once
today,
but
there
there
seems
to
be
a
constant
justification
and
selling
of
this
project
and
we
need
we
need
objectivity,
because,
besides
those
other
issues,
there
is
a
money
issue.
Why
should
we
sense,
spend
taxpayer
money
mire
up
be
high
behind
the
napkin
calculation?
Is
that
of
the
$40
increase,
the
taxpayers
are
gonna
rate
payers.
Are
gonna,
be
paying
five
dollars
a
month.
Just
for
this?
Why?
Why
should
we?
H
They
can't
afford
$40?
Maybe
they
maybe
thirty.
Five
dollars
would
be
better,
but
why
should
we
push
something
that
they
don't
need
for
five
or
ten
years?
It
takes
four
years
to
build
a
project
from
start
to
completion,
and
we
don't
need
this
now.
I
will
follow
up
more
later
and
again.
I
didn't
mean
to
to
unload
on
you,
but
that
the
option
to
do
nothing
is
absolutely
the
best
option
and
and
when
we
get
objective,
analysis
from
a
third
party
I
think
will
prove
that
I.
K
Appreciate
the
feedback,
I
learned
a
lesson:
I
went
on
vacation
once
and
they
transferred
me
in
the
know
what
vacations
feel
like
and
I.
We.
Of
course
we
preached
if
you
the
we're
here
to
be
transparent,
do
the
workshop
and
make
sure
that
we
give
as
much
data
drivers
as
possible
to
make
an
informed
decision
so
Thank
You
counsel.
Thank
you.
C
C
J
J
C
B
B
So
this
is
not
a
a
workshop
to
to
review
the
pipes,
for
instance,
or
the
pipelines
in
the
neighborhoods
to
repair
or
line
wastewater
pipelines
to
replace
water
pipelines.
This
is
to
focus
on
water
supply
alternatives
and
to
for
mr.
Weber
to
show
what
the
needs
are
when
we
need
the
water.
What
comes
how
conservation
plays
into
that
and
what
are
the
costs
of
the
poor
alternatives
and
what
are
the
benefits
of
those
alternatives?
And
so
there's
a
lot
to
present.
B
B
C
H
Said
that
we
could
hold
it
so
two
three
months
ago,
I
asked
you
in
front
of
this
group
in
front
of
TV
cameras.
Could
you
hold
the
discussion
of
tap
until
at
receptor
and
fifth,
and
you
said
yes
and
now
here
we
are
and
I
seconded
the
motion,
but
that's
because
there
was
a
whole
campaign
between
the
time.
You
said
yes
and
now.
So
how
can
we
trust
the
fact
that
they
you're
saying
that
that
you're
going
to
go
out
and
engage
the
public
and
and
come
back
to
us
with
another
option?
B
C
L
Good
evening,
Chuck
Weber
water
department,
director
gonna,
start
tonight
with
a
short
video
there's
gonna
talk
about
the
needs,
the
current
need.
We
have
the
future
needs
and
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
conservation.
So
with
that,
if
the
AV
folks
could
help
us
out
with
the
video
I'd
appreciate
it.
M
I
M
Reservoir,
this
reservoir
can
hold
about
1
billion
gallons
of
water.
The
Southwest
Florida
Water
Management
District
issued
the
city
of
Tampa.
A
water
use
permit
allowed
the
city
to
withdraw
on
an
annual
average
up
to
eighty
two
million
gallons
from
the
reservoir
per
day
over
the
decades.
The
reservoir
has
served
the
people
of
Tampa
well,
but
there
have
been
periods
of
stress
most
recently
Temper
experience
a
drought
in
2017
that
caused
our
demands
for
water
to
exceed
a
permitted
water
supply.
M
Most
likely
this
will
happen
again,
as
our
population
grows
periods
of
drought
placed
too
much
strain
on
the
reservoir.
There
won't
be
enough
water
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
friends
and
neighbors
throughout
the
city.
In
fact,
the
potable
water
master
plan,
completed
by
Black
&
Veatch
estimated
that
Tampa's
water
demand,
even
during
a
year
of
normal
rainfall,
will
exceed,
is
permitted.
Water
supply
by
2026,
conserving
water
has
always
been
important
to
the
city
of
Tampa.
M
Back
in
1989,
we
launched
a
program
promoting
a
tiered
rate
structure
for
water
consumption,
as
residents
increased,
our
water
use.
The
price
per
gallon
also
increased
through
this
conservation
program
per
capita
water
usage
was
reduced
by
41
percent
as
of
2018
a
key
thing
to
notice
that
the
city
is
required
to
provide
minimum
flows
downstream
of
the
reservoir.
In
order
to
protect
the
environment
of
the
Loire
Hillsborough
River,
we
currently
rely
heavily
on
Sulphur
Springs
to
meet
the
minimum
flows.
M
Our
city
is
the
first
in
the
Tampa
Bay
area
to
implement
a
landscaping
and
irrigation
ordinance,
while
fines
and
citations
enforce
irrigation
regulations.
The
city
also
uses
educational
activities
and
workshops
to
promote
water
conservation
practices.
The
Tampa
water
department
even
offers
free
irrigation
system
audits
to
its
customers.
The
city
of
Tampa
gives
water
saving
devices
to
customers
for
free
devices
such
as
low-flow,
showerheads,
water,
faucet,
aerators,
toilet
leak,
detection,
dye
tablets
and
pre
rinse
spray
valves
to
help
customers
save
money
and
the
environment.
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At
the
same
time,
the
city
of
Tampa
will
continue
with
current
conservation
efforts,
and
new
projects
are
on
the
way.
An
advanced
metering
infrastructure
system
and
a
customer
water
use
information
portal
will
better
inform
you
about
the
best
ways
to
improve
water
usage
and
quickly
signal
your
mobile
device
about
any
water
leaks
at
your
home
or
business.
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Although
we've
made
great
strides
and
protecting
Tampa's
water
supply,
these
efforts
are
not
enough
to
eliminate
the
need
for
an
additional
source
to
meet
up
growing
demands
for
water.
That's
why
it's
so
important
that
we
find
a
secure,
sustainable
water
supply
to
meet
our
water
demands
during
periods
of
drought.
We
need
water
now
and
for
decades
to
come.
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L
After
that,
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
option
details
now
we'll
go
through
the
four
options
in
detail.
Talk
about
the
background,
talk
about
any
history
associated
with
that
option
when
they
might
have
started.
If
there's
any
reports
related
to
them,
we'll
indicate
those
after
that
we'll
talk
about
the
benefits
and
the
cost
and
the
challenges
with
each
option
and
at
the
end,
we'll
have
a
summary
and
a
table
format
of
all
the
different
options
and
then
we'll
have
just
a
couple
short
recommendations
and
then
questions
and
answers
so,
starting
with
the
drinking
water
supply.
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Like
the
the
video
had
mentioned,
this
is
essentially
the
same
chart
that
was
in
there
just
slightly
different
colors.
In
2017
we
did.
Our
demand
did
exceed
our
permitted
use,
which
is
82
million
gallons
a
day
on
the
Hillsborough
River,
and
that
will
typically
happen
in
droughts
from
here
on
out.
That
was
a
rather
modest
drought
during
that
time.
Also,
just
normal
demands
are
predicted
to
exceed
our
permitted
capacity
in
2026,
based
on
our
master
planning
efforts.
L
This
graphic
kind
of
puts
our
water
demand
in
perspective
with
the
other
five
members
of
the
Tampa
Bay
Water.
We
are
the
single
largest
user
of
water
and
in
Tampa
Bay
water,
and
we
essentially
at
this
point,
supply
all
that
water.
The
other
thing
to
note
on
this
graphic
is
that,
in
addition
to
the
city
of
Tampa,
Hillsboro
and
Pasco
are
the
only
other
two
members
that
are
showing
any
growth
in
their
water
demand
for
the
next
25
years.
L
Another
really
important
thing
that
often
gets
overlooked
when
we're
looking
at
water
supply.
Our
water
supply
is
linked
to
the
minimum
flows
on
the
Hillsborough
River,
and
not
only
are
we
required
by
law
to
meet
those
minimum
flows,
it's
important
to
maintain
the
environment
and
not
to
harm
a
wildlife
in
that
area,
so
minimum
flows
are
maintained
by
pumping
water
from
Sulphur
Springs
out
of
the
aquifer
which,
for
those
who
are
new
to
that
term,
it's
essentially
a
layer
of
weathered
rock
that's
porous
and
it
acts
like
a
sponge.
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It
holds
water,
so
sulfur
springs
will
pump
water
out
of
that
aquifer
and
it'll
pump
it
up
to
the
base
of
the
Hillsborough
dam
right
here
and
that's
how
we
supply
the
minimum
flows
that
run
down
through
the
river
with
fresh
water.
The
problem
is,
is
Sulphur,
Springs
is
it's
not
as
fresh
as
it
used
to
be
it's
getting
saltier
and
the
rate
at
which
it's
getting
saltier
is
accelerating,
and
what
that
means
is
this.
This
will
not
be
a
viable
source
in
the
near
future
for
providing
the
minimum
flows
on
the
Hillsborough
River.
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L
This
is
a
chart
taken
form
a
paper
that
was
done
by
USF
research,
student,
doing
research
on
Sulphur
Springs
and
what
he
did
was
he
associated
the
salinity
with
Sulphur
Springs
over
the
years
and
since
1945
you
can
see,
it
was
steadily
increasing
up
to
2002
and
in
2002
is
when
we
started
pumping
for
minimum
flows,
and
you
can
see
a
drastic
change
in
the
rate
at
which
the
salinity
is
increasing
in
Sulphur
Springs.
This
is
not
a
sustainable
solution
and
we
need
to
take
care
of
it
to
explain
how
the
salinity
is
increasing.
L
This
graphic
was
offered
on
the
top
it
kind
of
shows
the
pool
of
Sulphur
Springs.
If
you
look
and
you
go
downward,
you
can
see
there's
vents
through
the
aquifer
and
they
go
all
the
way
down
to
layers
in
the
aquifer,
where
it's
very
salty.
So
as
we
pump
water
out
of
Sulphur
Springs,
we
are
siphoning
that
salty
water
up
into
the
vents
and
the
aquifer.
That's
how
it's
becoming
more
so.
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Before
I
get
into
that,
I
wanted
to
mention
some
of
the
other
environmental
benefits
of
you
know.
Nutrient
removal
from
the
bay
is
certainly
a
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
these
options.
Salt,
water
intrusion
barrier,
providing
a
saltwater
intrusion
barrier
over
and
underneath
the
city
is
another
important
environmental
consideration.
Also,
you
know
keeping
the
region
in
mind
with
the
Tampa
Bay
region.
One
of
the
reasons
that
the
authority
was
created
was
to
reduce
the
reliance
on
ground
water.
L
Last
year
in
2018,
through
Tampa
Bay
water,
we
did
it
an
analysis
that
looked
at
if
the
city
of
Tampa
built
and
paid
for
a
project
to
supply
its
future
needs,
the
reason
would
essentially
have
the
net
savings
of
close
to
thirty
four
point:
seven
million
dollars-
oh
I
forgot
to
mention
grant
funding
eligibility
is
another
consideration.
Some
of
these
projects
aren't
going
to
be
eligible
for
grant
funding.
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I
L
E
L
Tampa
Bay
water
did
an
analysis
to
look
at
what
would
be
the
net
effect
on
their
region
if
the
city
of
Tampa,
built
and
paid
for
a
water
project
capital
project
to
supply
its
water
needs
for
the
future,
Allu
of
Tampa
Bay
water
building
those
facilities,
and
then
there
would
be
an
offset
to
that
capital
in
the
revenue
that
would
be
provided
to
Tampa
Bay
water
from
the
city
of
Tampa,
with
the
purchase
of
the
water.
So
what
this
analysis
did?
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L
Okay,
so
those
were
some
of
the
considerations.
Now
we
move
into
some
of
the
assumptions
the
when
we
were
looking
at
how
much
water
we
were
needed
for
each
option.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
understood
we
were
going
to
use
our
existing
permitted
capacity,
so
the
82
MGD
that
were
permitted
for
is
used
in
each
of
these
options
before
we
used
the
other
water
source.
The
other
thing
that
we
assumed
was
in
order
to
take
care
of
droughts.
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We
would
take
the
projected
demands
and
increase
them
by
10%
so
that
we
could
handle
droughts
as
well,
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
wanted
to
note
that
we
used
the
2016
master
plan
projections
which
again
are
within
an
MGD
of
the
Tampa
Bay
water
projections,
so
they're
essentially
the
same.
The
other
assumption,
that's
important
to
note,
is
with
Tampa
Bay
water
purchase.
We
included
additional
treatment.
We
did
that
because
it's
in
our
history
of
purchasing
water
from
Tampa,
Bay
water,
we
experienced
taste
and
odor
water
quality
problems
in
2017.
We
had
such
an
event.
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This
chart
shows
what
happened.
You
can
see
the
background
January
through
February
before
we
started
purchasing
water,
the
taste
and
odor
events
were
very
low,
but
in
April
in
particular,
we
had
over
200
odor
complaints
and
over
125
taste
complaints
and
then
that
tapered
off
as
we
tapered
off
our
use
of
the
Tampa
Bay
purchased
water.
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L
So,
for
those
scenarios
where
we're
using
membranes,
80%
of
the
water
we
put
into
the
process
will
come
out,
the
other
end
20%
will
have
to
get
recycled,
so
it
doesn't
really
produce
produce
a
one
to
one
ratio
and
that
same
effect
happens
with
indirect
potable
Riis
and
that's
essentially
the
same
thing
as
turning
drinking
water
reclaimed,
water
into
drinking
water,
but
in
indirect
you
put
it
through
the
environment.
First
you'll
put
it
into
the
aquifer
or
into
a
lake
or
a
stream,
and
then
withdraw
it
and
treat
it
a
drinking
water
plan.
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And
in
those
scenarios
you
can
have
recoveries
of
90
percent
and
that's
what
we
assumed
when
we
did
this
analysis
and
then
an
assumption
that
was
made
for
the
purple
pipe
system,
which
is
basically
the
irrigation
systems
using
reclaimed
water.
We
also
have
industrial
users
and
that's
the
non
potable
reuse.
It's
essentially
taking
reclaimed
water
and
using
it
for
irrigation,
industrial,
but
not
drinking.
So
for
those
we
had
to
make
sure
that
what
we
did
was
have
enough
irrigation
and
enough
use
of
that
reclaimed.
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L
L
Option
3
is
the
direct
potable
reuse
and
alternative
a
uses,
ozone
and
biologically
activated
filtration,
which
are
some
pretty
sophisticated
systems
as
pretreatment
before
membranes
an
option
or
excuse
me.
Alternative
B
uses
ultraviolet
disinfection
as
pretreatment
before
using
membranes
an
option
for
the
the
purple
pipe
we've
already
discussed
as
well.
So
moving
into
the
detailed
explanations
in
and
discussion
option,
one
is
purchasing
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
This
option
really
became
available
in
1998
when
we
joined
through
the
inner
local
agreement.
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One
of
the
things
that
happened
during
that
interlocal
agreement
was
some
changes
at
more
spiritual
field.
This
graphic
kind
of
indicates
where
Moore's
bridge
well-filled
is.
This
is
Bruce
B,
downs
and
I-75
and
Moore's
bridge
well
field
runs
down
through
this
area
here
and
right
here
is
the
more
spread
treatment
plant,
which
is
now
really
just
a
pump
station,
and
this
is
a
close-up
of
that
same
area
and
the
way
this
works
is
when
we
own
the
well
field.
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The
water
would
come
into
this
treatment
process,
which
has
now
been
sitting
idle
for
twenty
years,
but
we
would
do
lime
softening
here
and
other
treatment
processes
to
treat
the
groundwater.
They
would
go
into
the
storage
tanks
and
then
be
pumped
out
to
the
distribution
system.
When
we
join
Tampa
Bay
water,
we
sold
the
well
field
in
Tampa.
Bay
water
now
treats
the
water
with
chlorine
and
ammonia
and
they
blend
it
with
other
water
from
other
sources
in
their
system.
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L
With
the
interlocal
agreement,
that's
what
limited
are
our
permit
to
permitted
water
use
on
the
Hillsborough
River
282
MGD.
With
that
agreement
we
are
required
to
provide
that
first
80
to
MGD.
After
that,
Tampa
Bay
water
would
be
required
to
provide
us
additional
water,
but
we
are
required
to
provide
that
first
82
MGD.
We
have
used
Tampa,
Bay
water,
primarily
and
really
only
for
drought
relief.
In
the
last
twenty
years,
and
as
I
mentioned
previously,
we
have
experienced
water
quality
issues
when
we
do
that
in
the
form
of
taste
and
odor
problems.
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One
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention.
That's
a
little
different
than
it
was
in
the
past
is
Tampa
has
three
pressure
zones,
and
this
really
only
occurred
over
the
last
three
years
in
these
this
dot.
This
graphic
kind
of
shows
we
have
a
pressure
in
New
Tampa
area,
and
then
this
is
called
the
David
L
Tipton
pressure
zone
because
it
runs
off
with
a
high
service
coming
out
of
the
treatment
plant
and
then
in
South
Tampa-
and
this
is
south
of
Gandy
Tampa.
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We
have
a
pressure
zone
area
down
here
as
well.
What
these
pressure
zone
allow
us
to
do
is
they
allow
us
to
minimize
the
detention
time
of
the
water
in
the
system,
and
so
the
water
age
is
less
which
helps
with
water
quality
problems.
It
enables
us
to
reduce
the
amount
of
flushing
that
we
do
in
the
system.
L
So
in
the
last
two
years
we
set
up
a
temporary
barrier
using
valves
here
and
we
pump
water
from
that
Morris
bridge
pumping
station
into
this
system
at
a
higher
pressure,
and
when
we
did
that
all
the
pressure
problems
went
away,
we
no
longer
have
pressure
problems
there,
however,
looking
forward
and
how
this
relates
to
option
one.
If
we
purchase
water,
all
the
water
we
purchase
will
go
into
New
Tampa
only
because
it's
isolated
after
it
hits
this
pressure
zone.
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This
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
about
option.
One
is
just
kind
of
show
our
history
of
usage.
This
graphic
shows
the
large
bars
each
year,
how
much
water
Tampa
Bay
water
had
produced,
and
the
small
blue
bars
that
are
kind
of
hidden
behind
the
small
light
bars
are
how
much
water
of
the
city
of
Tampa
purchased.
In
million
gallons
per
day,
the
light
blue
bars
I
put
in
there
just
kind
of
as
a
percentage.
So
you
can
get
an
idea
out
of
all
the
water
that
Tampa
where
Bay
water
produces.
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We,
we
don't
really
we've
never
purchased
over
ten
percent
of
it.
In
most
years
we
are
quite
a
few
years
anyways
we
don't
purchase
anything.
So
that's
that's
looking
backwards.
That's
our
history!
Looking
forward
based
on
Tampa
Bay
waters,
Master
Plan
numbers
the
amount
of
water
that
we're
going
to
be
purchasing
in
the
future,
really
isn't
that
much
either
it's
pretty
much
on
par
with
our
past.
This
in
2040
represents
I.
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Believe
six
thing
was
six
point,
six
point,
five
percent,
and
that
would
be
the
singles
biggest
year
that
we
that
we've
had
going
forward
in
the
future.
Overall,
if
you
average
the
percentage
of
water
purchase
through
this
time
period,
it
amounts
to
three
percent,
so
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
perspective
of,
even
though
we
represent
one-third
of
the
demand
for
the
system.
We
are
capable
of
supplying
just
about
all
our
demand
in
the
past,
except
for
droughts
and
in
the
future,
except
for
a
small
percentage.
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This
is
the
configuration
of
the
treatment
process
that
we
contemplated
in
the
analysis
and
the
upper
left
here.
It
shows
the
Tampa
Bay
water
storage
facilities
and
the
pumps,
and
then
from
there
we
would
have
to
move
it
to
a
transfer
pump
station
to
give
the
water
the
energy
to
flow
through
the
treatment
process.
The
first
step
in
the
process
is
lime
softening
that's
the
same
process
that
used
to
be
there
at
Morris
breeze.
We
were
using
the
ground
water
blends.
Sometimes
the
ground
water
can
be
harder
than
what
we
have
in
our
system.
L
The
alkalinity
and
the
pH
can
be
different
as
well.
This
will
help
us
match
the
alkalinity,
pH
and
other
water
quality
parameters
that
we
have
throughout
the
rest
of
our
system.
The
other
treatment
process
here
is
dual
media
filters
and
that
will
help
with
finishing
and
polishing
off
the
water
after
the
lime
softening
after
that,
the
water
will
move
through
a
clear
well
and
be
pumped
into
the
system.
Well,
we'll
also
have
some
lime
sludge
residuals
to
dispose
of
with
this
treatment
process
as
well.
So
the
benefits.
C
And
councilman
Carlson
I
know
you
want
a
challenge
and
I
promise.
You
you'll
be
first
up,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
the
councilman
goods,
then
you'll
be
up
just
councilman
councilman
Carlson.
No!
No!
No!
Let's
please
wait.
Please
respect
the
chair.
Please
respect
the
chair
in
the
process
of
councilman.
Thank
you.
C
L
The
benefits
of
this
project
is
that
it
has
the
potential
to
meet
the
drinking
water
needs
for
Tampa
for
a
long
time,
so
that
is
a
plus,
and
there
are
no
regulatory
or
permitting
issues
with
this
project
as
well
or
with
this
option.
The
cost
for
this
for
this
option,
the
net
present
value
total,
including
capital
and
om,
is
465
million,
roughly
capital
being
260
million,
with
O&M
costs
net
present
value
around
259.
L
Some
of
the
challenges
is
this:
does
nothing
for
providing
for
the
Hillsborough
River
minimum
flows?
It
doesn't
help
with
the
Sulphur
Springs
there's
no
nutrient
removal
from
the
bay
with
this
option.
There's
no
salt
water
intrusion
barrier
and
it's
not
eligible
for
grant
funding
option.
Two.
The
indirect
potable
reuse
has
two
alternatives:
alternative
a
and
includes
the
minimum
flows.
L
This
shows
the
configuration
of
this
option
just
kind
of
schematically
the
different
treatment
processes.
It
really
starts
in
the
collection
system,
where
we
gather
the
wastewater.
The
wastewater
is
treated
at
the
heart
of
current
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant.
There
are
several
treatment
processes
that
are
designed
to
purify
the
water
there.
After
that,
it
will
go
through
a
transfer
pump
station
to
a
UV
disinfection
will
be
further
purified.
Then
it
will
go
through
a
transmission
system
to
a
recharge,
UV,
disinfection,
recharge,
well
and
I'll.
Point
out
at
this
point.
L
There
is
a
regulatory
pathway,
this
project
is
permitted,
it
provides
for
drought
proofing,
it
provides
for
Hillsborough
River
minimum
flows,
it
does
remove
nutrients
from
the
bay.
It
does
provide
a
salt
water
intrusion
barrier
and
improve
sulfur
springs.
It
will
actually
reverse
the
salinity
of
sulfur
springs
by
putting
the
reclaimed
water
into
the
aquifer.
It's
actually
fresher
than
the
saline
water
in
that
area,
so
it
will
help
fresh
and
software
Springs
through
those
vents
that
we
talked
about
earlier.
L
It
is
eligible
for
grant
funding,
it
does
provide
an
additional
water,
regional
water
supply
and
one
that
doesn't
rely
on
groundwater
and
it
provides
a
regional
cost
savings.
As
we
talked
about
that
report
earlier
the
class
for
this
alternative
in
this
option,
the
net
present
value
is
roughly
430,
eight
million
with
capital
costs
at
307
million
and
an
O&M
net
present
value
of
131
million.
This
option
is
not
supported
by
Tampa
Bay
water,
and
that
is
a
challenge
option
two
alternative
B.
L
This
is
essentially
the
same
option,
but
it's
smaller
in
size
because
it's
not
treating
as
much
water
and
it's
designed
for
less
capacity
and
it
doesn't
support
minimum
flows.
It's
for
drinking
water
only
so
the
process
is
essentially
the
same,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
in
the
diagram.
These
pumps
would
be
size.
Smaller.
This
disinfection
system
would
be
size
smaller.
This
pipe
would
be
a
42
instead
of
a
forty-eight
inch
pipe.
We
wouldn't
have
as
many
of
these
wells.
So
that's
the
difference
between
those
two
alternatives.
L
So
you
can
see
the
benefits
are
essentially
the
same,
but
they
don't
include
minimum
flows
for
the
Hillsborough
River.
There
is
a
regulatory
pathway,
it
does
provide
drop
proofing.
It
provides
some
lava
salt
water
intrusion
barrier.
It
is
eligible
for
grant
funding.
It
provides
an
additional
regional
water
source
that
isn't
groundwater
dependent
and
it
provides
regional
cost
savings.
L
The
cost
for
the
project,
the
total
cost
is
375
million,
the
capital
cost
is
277
million,
and
the
OEM
that
present
is
97
million
and
again
a
challenge
for
this
one
is:
it
doesn't
provide
any
Hillsborough
minimum
flows
and
it
also
is
not
supported
by
Tampa
Bay
water
option.
Three
is
direct
potable
routes
again.
This
is
turning
reclaimed
water
into
drinking
water
without
going
through
the
environment.
The
first
alternative
is
using
ozone
and
biologically
active
Phylicia
filtration
as
a
pretreatment
to
the
membranes.
L
So
as
background
this,
this
option
was
investigated
as
part
of
the
tampa
augmentation
project.
The
components
include
ozone.
Baf
is
short
for
biologically
activated
filtration.
It
has
ultra
filtration
reverse,
osmosis
ultraviolet
disinfection,
advanced
oxidation
procedures
and
has
post
stabilization,
that's
in
chlorination,
which
is
where
you
add,
chlorine
and
ammonia,
and
it
also
has
a
pipeline
involved
in
it.
So
to
represent
that
graphically.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
longer
system
here,
but
you
can
see
like
the
other
option,
like
the
indirect
option.
L
It
does
have
the
benefit
of
providing
drop
proofing,
it
does
remove
nutrients
from
the
bay,
it
is
grant
funding
eligible
and
it
does
provide
an
additional
regional
water
source
that
does
not
depend
on
groundwater
and
it
does
provide
regional
cost
savings.
It
does
have
a
significant
cost.
Six
hundred
sixty
six
million,
almost
the
capital
cost
being
419
million,
with
the
onn
net
present
value
at
two
hundred
and
forty
eight
million.
L
However,
one
thing
to
note
about
direct
potable
reuse
in
Florida.
Currently
there
is
no
regulatory
pathway
for
that.
However,
the
hope
in
the
future
that
we
will
have
regulations
that
will
allow
us
to
do
direct
power
ease.
Another
challenge
for
this
option
is
it's
not
supported
by
Tampa
Bay
water?
There
are
no
Hillsborough
minimum
flows
with
this
option.
It
doesn't
help
solve
for
spring,
reverse
the
salinity
there
and
it
doesn't
provide
a
saltwater
intrusion.
L
Burger
alternative
B
is
essentially
the
same
option,
but
instead
it
has
ultraviolet
disinfection,
as
the
pretreatment
you're
just
gonna
skip
to
the
graph.
It
can
talk
through
the
components
you
can
see.
It's
a
little
shorter
and
treatment
process,
but
the
addition
of
the
I'm
gonna
get
my
mouse
here.
L
The
addition
of
the
UV
at
the
Howard
F
current
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant
is
added
there
at
the
end
of
all
the
other
processes
that
are
already
there,
then
it
goes
through
core
means
which
is
chlorine,
ammonia,
micro,
filtration
and
anti
scaling,
reverse
osmosis
hydrogen
peroxide
and
then
advanced
oxidation
with
UV
lime,
stabilization,
chloramines
and
then
directly
into
the
drinking
water
distribution
system.
So
those
are
two
alternatives
for
option.
Three.
The
benefits
of
the
second
alternative
include
the
drought
proofing.
L
It
removes
the
nutrients
from
the
bay
grant
funding
eligibility
and
it
provides
additional
regional
water
for
the
for
the
area
and
it's
not
a
ground
water
source.
The
cost
is
slightly
less
a
total
of
five
hundred
and
forty
seven
million
dollars
with
capital
being
at
298
and
million,
and
an
OEM
the
net
present
value
being
at
roughly
250
million
and,
like
the
first
alternative,
there's
no
current
regulatory
pathway.
This
project
can't
be
permitted
under
existing
rags.
L
It
is
not
supported
by
Tampa,
Bay
water,
there's,
no
Hillsborough,
River
minimum
flow
benefit
or
no
sulfur
springs
improvement
with
this
project.
It
doesn't
reverse
the
salinity
and
then
again,
there's
no
saltwater
intrusion
barrier.
So
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
option
four,
which
is
a
little
different,
so
instead
of
providing
a
a
new
source
of
water,
what
we're
doing
is
expanding
a
water
for
drinking
we're,
expanding
the
purple
pipe
system
and
we're
going
to
use
that
for
irrigation
and
industrial
purposes
to
offset
the
drinking
water.
L
So
this
this
option
has
been
studied
in
depth
for
some
time.
The
South
Tampa
area
reclaimed
project,
which
was
an
irrigation
project,
began
in
2003
roughly
and
in
2009.
There
was
a
master
plan
done
on
this
to
figure
out
how
much
would
it
cost
us
to
expand
this
throughout
the
city
and
maybe
even
beyond,
and
what
they
found
in
this
study
was
that
it's
very
expensive
it
was
cost
prohibitive,
effective
in
2011.
There
was.
L
The
study
was
used
kind
of
as
a
basis
to
look
at
doing
some
small
extensions,
even
in
just
South
Tampa,
where
the
system
already
existed
and
even
that
was
found
to
be
cost
prohibitive.
So
one
of
the
key
assumptions
just
to
remind
you
that
this
option
is,
you
have
to
offset
the
drinking
water
demand
with
the
irrigation.
That's
provided
from
the
reclaim
or
you're
gonna
have
to
do
another
project
to
make
up
for
that
difference.
L
This
this
graphic
I
apologize,
is
hard
to
see.
It
was
don't
like
I
had
a
blurry
copy,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
the
difference
between
what
was
the
alternative
that
was
recommended
from
that.
2009
study
was
alternative
2
and
back
then
that
cost
about
341
million
dollars,
but
important
to
note
is
apologizes.
It
only
replaced
12.2
million
gallons
a
day
of
drinking
water
needs
and
in
30
20
40
we're
going
to
need
16
million
gallons
a
day.
So
this
is
not
going
to
cut
it.
What
we
looked
at
was
the
option
when
we
did.
L
The
analysis
was
the
one
that
can
offset
24
point
seven
million
gallons
a
day
back
then
that
cost
one
point
two
four
billion
dollars
roughly
and
as
we
chewed
up
the
numbers,
its
1.7
billion
today,
so
I
wanted
to
show
you
how
we
got
to
that
before.
I
actually
show
you
that
bad
news,
the
benefits
for
this
project
there
is
a
regulatory
pathway
exist,
it
is
permitted,
it
does
remove
nutrients
from
the
bay
it
is
eligible
for
grant
funding.
L
It
does
provide
an
additional
water
source
because
an
offsets
water
that
would
be
needed
from
the
region
otherwise
and
it
does
provide
a
regional
cost
savings
if
the
city
of
Tampa
builds
it
pays
for
the
net
present
value
I
mentioned
was
it's
well,
it's
close
to
1.8
billion.
The
capital
cost
is
really
where
things
come
from
and
as
we
get
into
discussing
this
in
getting
public
feedback,
we
can
take
a
closer
look
at
these
numbers
and
look
at
many
different
iterations.
L
But
for
this
analysis-
and
this
is
what
this
is-
how
we
looked
at
this
and
then
the
OM
net
present
value-
was
at
68
million.
This
option
does
nothing
for
the
Hillsborough
River
minimum
flows
or
in
the
improvement
of
the
salinity
at
Sulphur
Springs.
It
doesn't
provide
a
saltwater
intrusion
barrier
and
there
could
be
some
potential
regulatory
issues
down
the
road.
When
you
have
a
purple
pipe
system
in
one
of
the
pipes
breaks
you
have
to
report
it
it's
a
reportable
event
and
in
the
future
it
looks
like
those
might
even
be
fine.
L
Every
time
you
have
the
main
break
on
a
reclaimed
water
system,
so
that
could
be
a
potential
quagmire.
If
we
have
all
these
pipes
running
through
our
whole
system,
let
alone
the
small
system
we
have
right
now.
So
this
is
this
is
the
the
well.
This
is
the
big
one.
This
is
the
summary
that
kind
of
shows
all
those
different
options.
L
There
are
capital
costs
thrown
in
costs,
the
total
net
present
value,
and
then
it
shows
the
considerations
and
how
each
project
stacks
up
against
all
the
considerations
that
we
talked
about
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
the
table
again.
I
think
we've
covered
all
this
stuff
in
detail,
so
I'll
move
right
on
to
kind
of
the
recommendations.
You
know,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
this
workshop
wasn't
designed
to
choose
an
option.
I
didn't
go
into
near
the
detail
that
we
need
to
talk
about
to
choose
an
option.
L
This
is
merely
just
to
introduce
the
options
so
and
we
need
more
discussion.
We
need
more
public
input
and
we're
definitely
going
to
need
a
sustainable
water
source
in
the
future,
and
we
need
drought
proofing
right
now
and
we
definitely
want
to
avoid
coming
back
to
the
public
asking
for
another
rate
increase
in
the
next
year
or
so
after.
We
consider
this
one
this
year
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
our
next
steps.
L
J
C
H
Nothing
personal,
sir,
but
this
this
I
could
spend
the
next
four
hours
we
could
be
here
until
2
or
3
o'clock
in
the
morning.
If
you
want
and
I'll
go
through,
every
detail
of
this
and
I'll
prove
that
there
is
skewing
and
manipulation
of
the
data,
the
manipulation,
the
words
and
the
example
that
I
gave
to
us
now
is
water
quality,
which
every
other
engineer
I
I
spoke
to
disagrees
with
every
the
other
member
governments
in
the
region,
drink
that
water
and
for
some
reason,
the
city
of
Tampa,
says
that
the
water
quality
is
bad.
H
City
Council
by
Charter
has
the
right
to
do
an
audit
I
think
we
ought
to
do
an
audit
to
look
at
this
entire
process
from
starting
to
finish,
to
look
at
the
emails
to
look
at
the
correspondence
on
it
to
look
at
the
outside
manipulation
by
other
their
group's
short
of
an
audit.
This
is
in
no
way
factual
in
and
ready
to
go
to
the
public.
It
needs
to
be
looked
at
by
a
third
party.
Mrs.
McLean
suggested
my
conversation
with
her
the
other
day.
H
Maybe
we
should
go
to
AWWA
or
some
other
industry
group
get
a
peer
review
of
this
get
some
consultants
who
would
not
get
contracts
with
the
city
of
Tampa
in
the
next
five
years.
Somebody
needs
to
look
at
this
and
validate
it.
I
mean
that
the
the
the
I
can
go
through
this
and
over
in
the
next
few
hours,
but
the
last
option
that
we're
using
old
data
it.
H
We
need
16
mg
d
in
21
years
and
we're
going
to
pick
an
option
that
uses
joint.
That
requires
24
mg
d.
I
mean
there's
a
manipulation
of
the
numbers
to
try
to
sell
and
I
can
go
through
all
the
details.
If
you
will
want
and
I
can
rip
every
every
part
of
this
apart,
but
the
thing
I
would
urge
you
all
to
do
is
to
look
at
this
with
suspicion
and
and
and
let's
find
somebody
else
to
validate
it
before
we
take
this.
A
public
last
comment.
I'll
make.
H
Unless
you
want
me
to
go
through
all
the
details
is,
is
we
when
we
made
the
motion?
I
made
the
motion
to
put
September
5th
on
the
on
the
again
and
the
agenda
to
approve
the
three
point,
two
to
review
the
3.2
billion
I
said,
and
you
all
prove
that
we
wanted
robust
public
engagement.
They
did
four
public
meetings
and
they
present
at
cafe
con
Tampa
I,
don't
know
what
else
they
did
as
far
as
I
can
see.
I
went
at
three
of
the
meetings
and
my
aide
went
all
four.
H
That's
not
factually
accurate
that
uses
terms
that
aren't
accurate
and
and
they're
going
to
present
it
to
the
public
and
a
half-hearted
way
and
they're
going
to
come
back
to
us
and
tell
us
the
same
thing.
They
already
did
that
tap
best
project.
The
public
doesn't
want
that.
The
public
doesn't
trust
the
numbers
that
the
public
doesn't
trust
the
city
and
it's
not
the
mayor.
H
J
J
Ideally,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
go
through
it
because
it
was
late
when
I
my
eight,
the
the
email
well
I
had
it
I
want
to
know
about
that
girl.
What
kind
of
the
particular
said
of
it?
You
know
when
I
saw
mr.
Moran's
name,
people
drew
from
the
issue,
so
I
just
wanted
kind
of
a
little
view
of
what
that
was
about,
and
the
obligations
would
tell
people,
because
it
seemed
like
some
things
we
want
to
do
versus
what
they
want
to
do
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
outfit
well.
F
F
The
members
were
creating
Legation
amongst
themselves
because
each
member
owned
property
in
a
well
Farrell
outside
of
their
jurisdiction.
There
had
been
unanticipated
adverse
environmental
impacts
that
arose
from
withdrawals
during
that
time,
and
the
Water
Management
District
sought
to
reduce
the
quantity
of
water
that
was
being
withdrawn
in
order
to
ameliorate
those
environmental
impacts.
The
legislature
sought
during
that
time
to
create
a
different
water
supply
Authority
and
enumerated
in
Chapter
373.
What
that
water
supply
authority
was
going
to
be
based
on
and
and
hence
Tampa
Bay
water.
F
There
are
three
counties
and
three
cities,
and
we
are
a
member,
a
full-fledged
member,
al
biet,
that
we
are
a
different
type
of
member,
because
when
we
agreed
to
become
a
member
we
retained
our
water
supply
or
what
consumptive
use
permit,
which
allows
us
to
withdraw
82
million
gallons
a
day
annual
average
from
the
Hillsborough
River.
There
were
other
considerations
in
there
as
well,
because
we
were
relying
on
surface
water.
F
We
had
a
more
spiritual
field,
which
was
our
and
I'm
going
into
technical
here,
but
which
was
our
peaking
facility
which
supported
the
withdrawals
from
the
river.
But
when
you
became
a
member,
all
groundwater
facilities
were
sold
to
the
water
supply
Authority
and
we
were
left
with
our
82
mg
d
and
that's
the
Morse
ridge
facility
to
which
mr.
Weber
adjusts
earlier.
F
So
as
we
move
forward
through
the
years
20
years
later,
we
find
ourselves,
of
course,
still
a
member,
but
there
are
restrictions
on
on
being
a
member
one
that
Tampa
Bay
Water
is
the
sole
and
exclusive
provider
wholesale
provider
of
water
to
all
of
its
members,
except
for
the
city
of
Tampa,
because
we
sell
supply
the
first
82
and
actually
in
a
small
quantities.
Each
of
the
other
members
have
consumptive
use
permits,
because
situations
would
have
arisen
where
they
have
acquired
what
they
call
isolated
facilities.
You
offer
it
back
to
the
water
supply
Authority.
F
If
they
don't
want
to
incorporate
it
into
their
system,
then
a
member
is
allowed
to
keep
that
Pasco.
County
has
one
in
particular
that
I
can
remember
and
I
think
other
members
do
as
well.
So
at
this
point
in
time,
when
we
were
considering
the
augmentation
project,
we
had
to
take
into
consideration
what
what
restrictions
our
membership
within
Tampa
Bay
water
might
impose
on
us
and
and
don't
know
how
much
detail
but
I'm
just
going
to
follow
through
until
you
stop
me.
F
So
we
offered
revisions
to
the
interlocal
agreement,
which
we
called
the
redline
document,
and
it
brought
the
members
to
the
forefront
on
how
we
could
incorporate
reclaim
water
projects
into
the
membership
of
Tampa
Bay
water
and
because
we
were
one
of
the
first
to
bring
this
forward.
In
addition
to
supporting
our
82
MGD,
we
were
proposing
that
we
would
self
supply
a
potential
amount
of
water
over
the
82
for
growth.
F
Hillsborough
County
also
has
a
reclaim
water
project,
which
is
known
as
sharp
south
Hillsboro
area,
regional,
something
project
sharp
and
so,
but
their
their
project
is
allowed
under
the
inner
local
agreement,
and
so
it
doesn't
contravene
any
of
the
of
the
conditions
of
being
a
member.
There
was,
let's
just
say
there
was
some
pushback
from
the
other
members
of
Tampa
Bay
Water,
and
they
there
was
different
actions
that
were
taken.
F
F
We
had
been
negotiating
with
the
Tampa
Bay
Water
Board,
for
different
clauses
to
be
added
to
this
agreement
and
at
the
point
in
time
the
session
had
ended.
The
district
had
made
a
determination
that
our
project
was
not
going
to
be
eligible
for
Co
funding
because
of
a
policy
that
they've
adopted,
which
is,
if
you
are
a
member
of
a
regional
water
supply
authority,
then
to
develop
an
alternative
source
of
water.
F
The
offer
for
the
1.6
from
Tampa
Bay
water
came
in
the
form
of
an
agreement
to
which
we
were
not
allowed
to
negotiate
before
we
ended
up
in
front
of
the
Tampa
Bay
Water
Board.
We
once
I
received
the
agreement
I
offered
revisions.
There
were
good
basis
that
we
believe
for
the
revisions.
They
were
rebuffed
by
Tampa
Bay
water
and
they
adopted
their
version
of
the
agreement,
which
we
said
we
couldn't
agree
to
their
clauses.
F
J
F
As
far
as
any
kind
of
legal
process,
we
have
been
following
what
we
thought
was
the
path
of
true
regional
negotiation
as
a
member
of
Tampa,
Bay
water
and
negotiating
with
the
representatives
of
Tampa
Bay
water
as
an
entity
and
as
with
the
members,
and
so
at
this
point
in
time
we
have
withdrawn
from
consideration
the
agreement
that
we've
been
negotiating
for
six
or
eight
months.
We've
withdrawn
from
consideration.
A
We
go
from,
let's
go
from
1998
to
2000
when
in
those
two
years
the
city
of
Tampa
offered
Tampa
Bay
water
about
the
same
process,
but
under
thwart
it
was
called
and
they
consider
it.
The
members
did
not
consider
is
one
of
the
final
three
that
they
were
looking
at.
So
that's
fine.
They
did
what
they
had
to
do.
We
continue
doing.
A
We
had
to
do,
however,
when
you
start
looking
around
and
you
start
to
understand
and
Jan
touched
on
something
that
is
very
critical
in
my
mind
anyway,
when
something
has
changed
just
by
policy,
not
by
rule
or
not
by
law
and
all
of
the
members
and
non
members
of
that
body
got
elected.
Just
like
the
seven
members
of
this
body,
including
the
mayor's
eight.
Then
you
start
to
think.
Let
me
understand
this.
I
have
two.
Before
that
happen,
we
could
go
directly
itself
with
Water
Management,
District
and
present
our
case.
A
However,
now
we
have
to
apply
to
the
agency
that
we
sit
in
and
they
themselves
are
playing
for
grants.
I'm
not
saying,
there's
anything
wrong
with
that
I'm
saying
that
it
looks
kind
of
awkward
at
best,
so
we
have
to
compete
against
the
one.
That's
we're
asking
for
where
they
themselves
are
asking
for
grant.
I
never
said
this
to
anybody,
but
it
brought
up
about.
Let's
listen,
the
FBI
can
come
check
me,
my
phone,
my
water
bill,
my
money,
anything
they
want
I
have
nothing
to
hide
I'm,
not
the
president.
A
A
They
are
already
appointed
me
they're.
My
buckhorn
appointed
me
here.
They're
now,
mayor
casters
extended
the
appointment.
What
I
see
coming
in
the
city
of
Tampa
and
the
length
of
time
it.
You
can
check
the
records
not
only
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
but
you
can
check
the
records
of
Tampa,
Bay,
water
or
anyone
else.
That's
in
the
water
business,
and
you
have
to
look
how
far
in
advance.
A
You
have
to
look
to
get
what
you
need
by
that
point
that
you
needed,
and
it's
not
three
or
four
or
five
years
I
can
guarantee
you
that
it
takes
that
along
just
forget
permits
and
in
the
understanding
of
what
you're
gonna
do,
how
you're
going
to
do
and
how
you're
gonna
fix
it
and
what
the
results
are
going
to
be.
You
have
to
have
all
these
studies
done
and
not
by
me,
but
professional
engineers,
professional
people
that
do
water,
business
and
and
they're
ultra
ultra
intelligent
and
ultra
conservative.
A
So
then
what
happens
in
my
opinion
and
I
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
anyone.
I
got
my
own
opinion
of
this.
The
city
of
Tampa
is
doing
the
right
thing
to
present
it.
One
of
the
people
won't
accept
it
or
not,
people,
meaning
the
elected
officials,
it's
up
to
them,
I'm
only
responsible
for
one.
Oh
I've
never
asked
anyone
to
vote
my
way.
I've
never
asked
for
any
favours
from
this
board
from
the
Tampa
Bay,
Water
Board
or
from
any
board
I've
ever
served
on.
A
A
What
does
that
mean?
You
can
take
the
road
to
fix
something,
so
you
can
take
the
road
and
leave
it
like.
It
is,
and
not
just
in
the
money
that
we've
lost,
but
I
guarantee
you
the
last
three
years
and
I
can
go
further
back,
but
the
last
three
years
between
the
1201
water
breaks
that
we've
had
at
city
of
Tampa
and
the
amount
of
work
that
the
wastewater
Department
has
been
in
equals
about
20
million
dollars
a
year.
A
So,
let's
say
twenty
years:
twenty
million
dollars
a
year.
You
don't
do
anything.
How
much
is
that
than
just
the
cost
of
doing
what
we're
doing
now
we
are
in
the
threshold
of
either
having
what
we
need.
These
figures
are
not
mine.
The
figure
of
population
growth
is
not
mine,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
people
who
were
born
in
Tampa,
for
other
reasons,
are
coming
back
to
live
here.
Mainly
those
in
the
Midwest
are
coming
to
live
here.
A
A
wall
Hillsborough
County,
it's
gonna,
be
one
of
the
fastest
growing
County
in
the
region,
if
not
the
fastest,
spouter,
closely
by
passable
by
analysis,
painting
built
out
the
city
of
Tampa
being
the
hub
of
the
biggest
city,
Hillsborough
County,
it's
going
to
give
one
of
the
more
likely
35
to
40
percent
of
that
increase
in
population.
Whatever
that
number
is
so
what
happens
down
the
road
when
twenty
years
have
passed
and
you've
got
now?
A
Instead
of
having
380
million,
you
got
480
million,
that's
just
a
guesstimate
I'm,
not
telling
you
to
hold
me
truth
to
that.
Some
of
the
figures
that
I've
seen
what
happens
then,
do
we
go
back
and
regress
and
say:
oh,
the
council
did
the
right
thing
or
the
council
didn't
do
anything
at
all.
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
also
talked
to
water
engineers
and
I'll.
Ask
them
to
comment.
They
want
to
show
their
facts
and
figures
here
now.
A
One
of
them
has
told
me
if
this
is
not
a
viable
situations
and
these
engineers
have
working
water,
their
whole
life.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
you
can
say
anything
you
like?
You
can
believe
anything.
You
want
that's
what
America
is
all
about.
We
forgot
about
that
part,
but
I've.
Never
ever
set
in
the
position
were
the
vote
that
we're
going
to
take
whenever
that
date
determines
to
be
the
most
important
vote,
I've
ever
taken
in
my
25
years
of
public
service.
A
You
can't
we
tried
to
do
the
option
of
reclaimed
water
to
the
grass
until
we
realized
where
we
got
into
it.
It
was
fine,
but
the
costs
in
the
ratio
to
what
you
say,
never
matched
up.
So
we
had
to
stop
it
and
we
took
some
heat.
You
know
when
you
see
them,
they
sit
in
these
offices,
never
think
of
an
election.
Whatever
you
do.
Do
I
really
can't
paint.
No
I
can't
paint
364
days
a
year,
Election
Day
I,
don't
do
anything.
A
I
raise
money
and
I
get
most
of
it
back
if
I
get
elected,
I
serve
and
if
I
don't
get
a
leg
that
I
serve
myself.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
these
votes
there
won't
be
taken?
The
future
are
the
most
important
vote
in
my
25
years
of
public
service.
No
matter
what
side
you
won't
realize
the
other
side
and
if
you're
on
this
side
realize
the
other
side
and
that's
what
makes
America
great.
We
forgot
about
the
people.
We
think
about
ideas.
N
A
A
I
E
I
Sir
first
I
want
to
do
welcome
the
mayor's
youth
corps.
Raise
your
hand
if
your
mayor's
youth
corps
all
right,
I'm
glad
you're
here
tonight,
because
this
is
a
great
civics
lesson
for
you
to
really
see
how
important
decisions
are
made,
and
this
is
a
decision
that,
if
you
stick
around
the
camp
area,
as
mr.
Miranda
said,
will
will
affect
the
future
and
affect
your
future.
So
that's
why
we
have
to
be
very
cautious
with
with
our
decisions
from
an
environmental
and
from
a
financial
perspective,
but
welcome
Chuck.
I
I
Okay,
so
then
I
assume
there's
a
relatively
flat
line
incrementally
above
from
2026
to
2040.
It
goes
up.
No,
no
I
meant
flat
line
up
straight
line,
yeah
straight
line.
Yes,
thank
you,
okay,
so
the
tour
so
the
2026
demand
and
or
the
2040
demand
is
based
on
what
percentage
of
increase
in
population
I
I
haven't
seen
the
the
Bieber
numbers
and
all
that
so
I.
L
I
Yes,
please
do
so
and
I've
been
asking
this
question
for
the
last
month
or
two
is
what
portion
of
all
of
this
will
new
development
new
people
who
are
coming
into
our
community,
be
paying
for
so
you're
coming
in
and
you're
asking
for
three
hundred
million
dollars
give
or
take.
If,
if
we
went
with
one
particular
option,
it'd
be
more:
if
you
go
with
another
option,
what
percentage
of
that
will
be
new
folks
who
are
moving
in
from
Michigan,
Jerzy,
etc,
etc?
L
Are
looking
at
capacity
fees,
we're
finishing
up
the
study
that
we
believe
will
be
done
and
I
believe
a
month
or
so
and
I
guess
when
we
have
that
we
can
answer
those
questions
in
greater
accuracy,
but
one
way
to
think
about
it
is
if
in
2040
our
demand
is
going
to
grow
to
sixteen
by
sixteen
MGD.
When
you
compare
that
to
the
total
demand,
it's
not
a
very
large
percentage.
L
Would
you
really
the
revenues
you're
going
to
be
able
to
recover,
because
it's
an
impact
fee
are
only
going
to
be
from
folks
that
come
here?
It's
not
it's
not
something!
That's
going
to
be
retroactive,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
a
large
percentage
as
we
get
going,
but
what
we
intend
to
do
and
what
the
study
is
looking
at
is
to
revise,
though,
and
impact
fees
I
believe
on
a
regular
schedule,
that's
somewhere
around
every
five
years.
L
So
as
we
do
new
projects
even
projects
within
this
program,
if
we
implement
the
impact
fees
sometime
soon,
as
those
projects
come
online,
they
will
get
into
that
assessment
and
every
time
we
do
it,
the
the
the
refresh
and
take
a
look
at
how
many
new
projects
have
come
online.
They
have
added
capacity
whenever
somebody
moves
into
the
area
and
gets
a
connection
they'll
pay
for
those
new
portions
as
they
come
on
well,.
I
L
I
L
I
I
Could
we
could
we
pump
the
tertiary
treated
wastewater?
Okay?
Could
we
pump
that
into
the
reservoir?
Your
you've
been
talking
about
one
of
these
option.
The
camera
which
number
it
was
it
might
have
been
two
gets
pumped
into
the
aquifer,
and
then
we
pull
it
out
of
the
aquifer
in
its
drought
conditions
that
we're
really
concerned
about,
at
which
point
the
aqua,
deep,
the
reservoir
starts,
dropping
below
the
dam
above
you
know
above
the
dam,
it
starts
dropping
down.
I.
Remember
it
got
pretty
low
Brad
right.
I
L
I
L
There
could
be
a
pathway
we
would
have
to
study
it
find
out
what
we're
dealing
with
the
NPDES
national
pollution
discharge
elimination
system
permitting
would
definitely
be
something
that
would
be
in
play.
The
other
thing
that
we
would
have
to
figure
out
would
be
if
we
being
50.
If
we
wait
for
the
reservoir
to
get
low
and
a
drought
and
then
start
pumping
50
MGD
into
it,
will
we
be
able
to
catch
up
fast
enough
or
will
the
will
50
BMG
D
be
enough
to
keep
the
right
vigil.
I
The
repo
isn't
and
I'm
not
taking
any
credit
for
this
at
all
the
reason
I'm
raising
this
is
because
there's
probably
about
30
people
out
there,
who've
been
emailing
us
saying
they're
extremely
concerned
about
pumping
treated
effluent
into
the
aquifer,
for
a
variety
of
reasons
that
I'm
sure
they'll
tell
us
about
when
we
get
to
public
comment,
but
you've
read
them
too,
and
you've
heard
them
so
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
hasn't
been
thoroughly
studied,
as
quote
option
5
well,.
L
I
L
C
L
I
And
again,
going
back
to
possibly
this
option,
father
I
was
just
talking
about.
Could
we
take
the
treated
wastewater
during
certain
periods
of
time
when
we
feel
the
need
an
augment
below
the
dam
at
the
base
of
the
dam,
which
would
go
downstream
to
meet
the
regulatory
requirements
for
for
refreshing,
the
river,
which
is
very
important
and
also
required
on
our
permit?
Would
that
be
allowed
under
the
regulations?
It's
possible.
L
B
It's
like
Brad
Baird,
Public,
Works
Administrator.
If
I
could
address
that
councilman
Ben
Feldman,
we
did
look
at
that
option
in
very
much
detail
a
little
over
ten
years
ago.
It
was
called
downstream
augmentation
and
it
was
it
turned
out.
It
was
not
doable
because
it
was
not
permitted
by
the
regular
regulatory
watches.
I
B
Just
the
primary
reason
was
because
of
introducing
too
many
nutrients
downstream
and
then
some
of
the
modeling
showed
that
there
would
be
additional
elbow,
plumes
algae
growth
if
you
will
downstream-
and
that
was
a
primary
reason,
but
there
were
other
secondary
reasons
why
downstream
augmentation
was
not
permitted
by
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection.
We
haven't.
I
I
Okay,
I
guess,
Brad
just
answered
that
my
question
there
you
say:
there's
no
selfish
springs
improvement,
but
if
we
stop
pumping,
let
me
let
me
put
this
in
the
form
of
a
question.
If
we
stop
pumping
out
of
Sulphur
Springs,
isn't,
wouldn't
there
be
improvement?
We
don't
we
don't
I
mean
it
seems
like
nature
kind
of
fixes.
It
fixes
itself
to
a
certain
extent.
Well,.
L
I
L
I
L
L
The
way
that
the
debt
is
structured
under
pipes
is
53
percent
Pago
and
forty-seven
percent
debt,
and
if,
if
we
are
able
to
get
grants,
we
will
be
able
to
reduce
the
amount
we
to
borrow
and
that
will
reduce
the
overall
costs
of
the
whole
program.
So
the
3.2
will
be
less.
So
if
we
get
grants,
that'll
be
a
good
thing.
It
will
help
us
reduce
the
amount
that
we
have
to
pay
for
by
debt
and
reduce
the
overall
cost.
But.
I
I
But
that
doesn't
translate
to
what
you
all
we're
asking
us
to
do
next
month,
which
is
raise
the
rates
higher
permanently
I.
Don't
see
a
contingency
that
says,
if
we
get
a
grant,
we
won't
have
to
raise
it
as
much
I'm.
Not
seeing
I've
never
heard
that
as
part
of
the
rate
hike
program,
all
I've
seen
is
a
rate
hike
that
just
goes
like
that.
You
know
at
over
seven
or
eight
years,
ultimately
to
be
double
what
it
is
today
after
the
eight
year
period,
but
I
don't
see
anything
that
says.
L
At
the
end
of
the
the
resolution,
the
the
rates
that
we're
calling
for
their
left
level,
so
at
that
point,
based
on
what
we
can
predict
today,
we
will
be
able
to
keep
up
with
the
renew
and
replacement
of
the
you
know:
the
infrastructure,
the
pipes,
the
treatment
plants.
So
at
that
point
the
way
thing
is
structured.
We
should
be
able
to
keep
up
from
dental
if
that
far
out
it's
hard
to
predict
what
changes
may
occur
well,.
I
I
guess
my
biggest
my
bigger
point
is
you
know
again.
This
goes
a
little
bit
into
the
pipes
and
I
know:
y'all
didn't
want
to
go
there,
but
you
sort
of
open
the
door
on
it
was
if
we're
shouldn't
we
be
as
conservative
as
possible
in
terms
of
the
rate
hikes,
as
opposed
to
just
saying
the
three.
We
need
that
three-point
to
no
matter
what
hell
or
high
water,
no
pun
intended.
I
To
get
lost
in
that,
and
my
last
question
goes
back
to
one
of
your
earliest
statements.
You
said
we
need
council
to
approve
this
300
million
dollar
rate
increase
now
on.
This
goes
to
mr.
Carlson's
point
a
little
bit
of
waffle
while
ago.
We
need
to
Council
to
approve
this
now,
because
we
don't
want
to
come
back
for
to
the
ratepayers
for
additional
hike
at
some
later
date.
Isn't
that
sort
of
a
policy
political
conclusion,
as
opposed
to
a
scientific
water
department?
Conclusion
I'm.
L
Just
speak
to
the
numbers
that
we
have
in
2017:
we
exceeded
our
committed
capacity
in
a
mild
drought.
If
we
have
another
drought,
the
probability
says
we
are
going
to
exceed
the
man
today.
If
it
happened
today
in
2026
will
exceed
the
projected
demands
for
our
permit.
You
know
permitted
capacity.
We
need
to
start
building
for
that
now,
I
failed
to
mention
earlier.
We
are
not
beyond
the
utility
that
has
concerns
with
the
water
quality
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
L
I
Long
night,
the
bottom
line
is,
is
I'm
talking
about
a
short-term
delay,
relatively
short-term
delay.
We
all
just
many
of
us
just
got
here
three
or
three
or
four
months
ago,
including
the
mayor,
okay.
This
is
coming
on
very
very
quickly,
and
this
is
a
to
me
that
much
more
controversial
issue
more
than
the
pipes
and
I've
been
saying
that
for
two
months,
the
pipes
to
me
three
ironically,
three
billion
dollars
for
the
pipes
program
to
me
is-
is
much
more
palatable,
because
it's
not
that
controversial.
It's
something.
I
L
Not
even
asking
I'd
really
love
to
answer
it.
If
you
could
me
the
opportunity,
the
water
quality
issue
is
real.
Tampa
Bay
Water
has
hired
engineers
to
study
it
and
to
present
options
to
resolve
the
water
quality
issue.
If
it's
not
resolved
soon,
when
we
need
water,
even
it
right
now,
during
a
drought,
we
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
water
quality
problem.
D
E
D
L
The
time
that
we
were
provided,
water
in
2017,
three
tests
were
taken
in
the
period
of
three
months.
Those
three
tests
showed
that
the
water
quality
meant
Exhibit
D,
which
is
the
drinking
water
standards,
but
there's
more
to
the
story
that
doesn't
match
the
testing
that
we
do
our
drinking
water
facility
and
provide
the
rest
of
our
system.
We
take
hundreds
of
samples
a
day
in
addition
to
that.
The
water
that
comes
through
that
source
is
treated
to
different
drinking
water
standards,
there's
ground
water,
drinking
standards
and
surface
water
drinking
standard,
and
they
have
different.
L
I
Alright,
so
there's
no
urgency
or
emergency
because
we
they
have
safe
drinking
waters,
sell
us
so
right.
This
very
minute,
I'm
not
asking
you
to
create
an
unsafe
situation
where
we're
gonna
run
short
of
water,
because
there
is
water
over
there
and
you
just
said
it's
safe.
My
not
smells
good
might
not
be
as
good
by
our
standards
and
I'll
agree
with
you.
I
think
you
guys
Brad
and
have
been
making
great
water
for
many
years,
so
our
waters
a
little
bit
better,
but
it's
not
their
waters,
not
quote
unsafe.
Alright
I
got
nothing
else.
I
H
To
respond
to
that
and
I
want
to
get
into
a
long
temper
tat,
but
Tampa
Bay
waters
going
through
a
review
of
water
quality,
not
because
the
what
our
quality
is
bad
but
because
they
do
a
periodic
review.
I
think
there's
somebody
from
Tim
Bay
water
here
who
could
address
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
waste
everybody's
time
tonight.
I
suggest
we
invite
Tampa,
Bay
water
and
Swift
mud
to
come
back
and
address
us
at
another
time
to
give
their
point
of
view
in
and
what
I
feel
like
is
an
unfair
representation.
H
You
just
you
just
explain
that
it
is
different
sources,
but
you
still
insist
on
using
the
term
water
quality
to
try
to
scare
people
from
wanting
to
use
the
water
and
people
throughout
the
region
are
drinking
the
water
and
it's
not
it's
not
harming
anybody.
It's
certainly
not
as
dangerous
as
drinking
the
water.
That
will
be
reused.
Let
me
just
present
another
I.
Don't
want
to
go
til
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
so
I'll
just
tell
you
my
my
suggestion.
H
H
We
need
robust
discussion
with
the
public,
not
what's
gone
on
the
last
week
with
four
half-hearted
public
meetings.
This
is
a
huge
decision
for
the
public,
but,
most
importantly,
set
aside
the
environmental
and
the
health
issues
that
have
been
raised
and
are
going
to
be
raised
by
the
public
I
think
it's
fiscally
reckless,
because
we
don't
need
it.
H
He
just
said
we
don't
need
new
any
other
source
until
2026
and
by
the
way,
during
the
drought,
when
we
needed
30
or
40
mg
d,
Tampa,
Bay
water
supplied
it
and
in
there
so
there's
no
shortage
of
water.
It's
not
like
we're,
not
we're
gonna
turn
on
our
taps
and
there's
gonna
be
no
water.
There,
Tampa
Bay
water
has
a
30-year
plan
for
water
and
a
10-year
supply
and
they
update
it
every
year.
H
H
If
at
some
point
in
the
future,
10
or
20
years,
we
will
probably
need
this
project,
but
we
don't
need
it
right
now
and
what
I
suggest
is
that
you
all
can
vote
for
whatever
you
want,
but
what
I
suggest
is
that
we
spend
the
next
year
or
two
studying
this
more
getting
third-party
analyses
and
then
come
back
at
some
other
point
in
the
future.
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
need
it,
why
would
we
pay
all
this
money?
Why
we
collect
money
from
ratepayers?
H
Those
of
us
who
were
at
the
site
was
at
Cyrus
green
community
center.
The
other
day.
The
community
is
very
concerned
about
this.
Forty
or
fifty
dollar
a
month
increase
and
whatever
it
is.
Ten
percent
of
it
is
going
to
be
this
project,
so
so
for
people
who
are
on
fixed
incomes
who
can
barely
make
their
monthly
payments.
It's
especially
important,
if,
even
if
it's
four
or
five
dollars
a
month,
why
would
we
make
them
pay
for
ten
years,
four
or
five
dollars
a
month
for
something
we
don't
need
for
ten
or
fifteen
years?
H
There
is
a
hybrid
here
where
we
can
in
2026
or
during
droughts.
When
we
need
extra
water,
we
can
buy
it
from
Tampa,
Bay
water,
and
at
that
point
we
can
start
planning
for
the
future
to
provide
our
own,
our
future
sources
or
as
intended
by
the
by
the
the
interlocal
agreement
in
Tampa
Bay
water.
Today,
water
will
build
the
new
source
and
they'll
supply
it
to
us.
If
they
ended
up
building
this
project,
then
we
would
only
own
one
six
to
the
debt
and
one
six
to
the
liability.
E
E
L
C
C
J
Tell
you
it's
hard
when
you
have
to
make
decisions
that
affect
the
livelihoods
of
people
best.
Were
you
talking
about
money
and
health
concerns?
I
guess
I
mean
that
I
know
many
viewers
are
watching
I
guess
they
get
a
little
bit
confused.
When
we
talk
about
water
pipes
and
sewer,
we
talk
about
money
for
water
pipes
and
sewer.
Now,
if
we
have
water
now,
it's
not
an
urgency
right
now
that
we
can
get
water
from
somewhere
else,
I,
don't
know
why
we
pushing
it
so
fast.
We
have
a
new
counselor.
J
This
is
a
lot
of
stuff
deal
with
this
world.
We
came
in
the
door.
Automatic
staff
was
rushing
the
water
program
down
our
throats.
It
came
from
the
last
administration,
so
we
can't
blame
you
for
that.
You
just
you
just
fall
on
the
trail.
It's
a
lot
to
absorb.
It's
a
lot
for
the
community
to
absorb
right
now.
Now,
when
I
first
met,
you
guys
I
said,
listen,
I
know
we
have
some
issues
with
our
pipes.
J
J
Finally,
we
had
it.
Yes,
private
contracts,
cuz,
we
have
so
many
pipes
that
are
busting
in
the
city
that
we've
got
so
many
contractors
that
are
working
because
our
guys
can't
keep
up
the
pace
of
the
pipes
burst.
Now
that
I
understand
that
I
think
the
public
can
understand.
Right
now,
when
you
talk
about
punch,
personal
sewage,
water
coming
out
people
kind
of
stand,
spending
physical
sponsibility
money
to
get
those
things
fixed
and
I
will
be
an
advocate.
J
So
for
me
right
now,
I
think
you
know
I
know
it's
an
emergency
to
staff,
but
right
now,
for
me,
I
need
to
absolve
a
little
bit
more
as
to
understand
that
the
big
need.
Now
we
were
talking
about
pipes
I'd
be
right
there
in
the
front
line,
because
I
know
those
are
needed
right
now,
because
I've
experienced
that
but
I
think
I'm
gonna
need
a
little
bit
more
studying
with
this
water,
because
when
you
talking
about,
we
have
it
now
the
waters
safe
that
we're
getting
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
J
O
What
is
the
urgency?
I
mean?
The
pipes
are
one
thing:
water
main
breaks
everywhere
we
had
one
last
night
in
the
same
location
that
it's
broken
or
busted
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
and
then
everybody
gets
frustrated.
I
see
the
Twitter
update
from
the
city
of
Tampa
water
main
breaks,
free
closure.
What
not
that's
one
thing
but
with
the
water
with
tap.
You
know
what
we're
talking
about
here.
Who
else
does
it
you
know?
Where
does
it
originate
from
we're?
Not
gonna
be
the
first
to
do
it.
Where
does
it
begin?.
O
L
Been
done
for
decades
and
it's
being
considered
today
in
El
Paso,
you
know
there
was
a
piece
in
the
news
there
doing
the
project
exactly
like
this
one
there
contemplating
it
right
now:
Hillsborough
County's,
actually
piloting
a
direct
potable
reuse
project.
Altamonte
Springs
just
completed
a
reuse
pilot
that
use
biological
active,
filtration
and
ozone.
They
want
a
worldwide
award
and
went
to
Japan
to
accept
it.
L
Gwinnett
County
Georgia
has
a
reclamation
facility
that
puts
water
into
Lake
Lanier.
It
comes
right
through
Lake
Lanier
to
their
drinking
water
facility.
That's
been
in
service
for
a
while,
in
fact,
there's
people
in
the
audience
who
worked
on
that
project.
So
this
is
something
that's
very
real.
It's
done
around
the
world.
It's
done
here
in
Tampa
Bay,
even
in
Tampa
Bay,
clear
water
has
a
permitted
project.
L
They've
chose
not
to
pursue
it
at
the
moment,
but
there
is
such
a
thing
as
unplanned,
unplanned
reuse
and
that's
where
wastewater
facilities
advanced
of
tertiary
put
a
water
upstream
or
where
people
pull
water
out.
Even
on
the
Alafia.
There
are
wastewater
facilities
upstream,
Alafia
and
drinking
water
facilities
that
pull
the
water
out
of
that
string
downstream,
so
drink
hell
reduce,
is
not
something.
That's
new.
It's
been
done
for
a
very
long
time.
L
It's
been
since
done
since
day,
one
you
know
I'm
plant,
but
as
far
as
plan
goes
yeah,
that's
something
that's
been
gone
for
decades
and
it's
becoming
more
and
more
prevalent.
There's
we
can
watch
the
video
but
I
think
there's
at
least
a
hundred
places
in
the
United
States
that
are
doing.
Would
you
like
to
watch
the
video
I
love?
L
C
M
M
L
M
A
L
Yes,
the
processes
are
specifically
designed
to
remove
those
things,
because
it's
it's
not
toilet
to
tap
its
toilet
to
the
collection
system.
First
thing
happens:
there
is
monitoring,
we
look
for
things
that
shouldn't
come
into
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
we
get
the
industries
that
are
producing
those
things
to
remove
them
before
they
ever
get
there.
That's
the
first
part
after
that,
no
in
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
there's
a
lot
of
advanced
processes
that
go
towards
removing
those
contaminants.
L
We've
been
monitoring
our
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant
for
over
a
year
for
over
a
hundred
regulated
to
ten
minutes,
but
over
200,
unregulated
contaminants.
And
what
we're
finding
is
these
things?
Aren't
there
we
have
detected
some
but
they're,
not
at
a
level
of
concern,
and
even
if
we
did
they're,
not
the
types
of
things
that
can't
be
removed
by
the
processes
we
have
like
ultraviolet
light,
disinfection,
the
ozone
and
a
biological
activated
filtration
are
have
been
piloted
extensively
at
Altamonte,
Springs
and
I.
L
L
C
No,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
okay.
Anyone
else
have
any
questions.
Okay,
I
have
a
silly
question,
it's
an
elementary
question,
but
in
the
midst
of
all
this
in
terms
of
the
issues
that
are
before
us,
what
is
in
a
two
or
three
sentence
summary?
What
is
the
administration's
position
on
all
this?
Just
in
it?
Well,.
L
C
You
okay!
Now
we
move
forward
to
public
comment
and
let
me
ask
you
how
many
folks
are
here
to
speak
on
this
item.
Please
raise
your
hand.
Okay,
let's
go
forward
now,
mr.
Robinson
first
and
everyone
who
is
planning
on
speaking,
please
line
up,
and
so.
G
Rather
said,
let
me
give
my
background
licensed
professional
engineer
since
1982
a
mechanical
engineering,
that's
pumping
piping
water
and
all
of
this
served
on
swift
mud
basin
boy
from
2001
to
2009
appointed
by
Jeb
Bush.
Three
times
proved
by
the
Florida
Senate
three
times
served
on
Swift
mark
northwest
Hills
for
a
basin
boy
served
on
Hillsborough
River
Basin
board.
Doc-Doctor
was
still
sitting
in
my
house,
the
FBI
looked
at
them
yet
Charlie.
Don't
worry
about
FBI
closed
if
I
make
the
move,
everybody
gonna
be
looking
round
here.
This
is
big
money.
G
G
You'll
hear
about
the
water
source,
water
source
need
to
be
delayed.
They
got
a
lot
of
problems.
They're
rushing
this.
You
are
right,
mr.
Carlson,
this
does
not
need
to
be
up
here.
Let's
get
the
pipes
fixed,
which
people
in
the
black
neighborhood
I
said
closer
to
months
to
fix
any
damn
way
and
when
you
ask
them
who
they're
gonna
fix.
First
they're
gonna
throw
fits
the
white
folks
over
in
Davis
eyelid
and
up
they
sure
they're,
not
going
in
the
black
neighborhood.
G
We're
through
do
get
money
to
fix,
pints
and
the
oldest
price
in
the
black
neighborhood.
Now
let
me
get
real
and
I'm
a
licensed
faster
than
their
talking.
Other
engineers
are
going
to
give
you
a
different
opinion.
You've
got
the
city's
got
a
crony
engineers,
they're
20
people
that
they
hire.
You
know
they
don't
hire
me
because
I'm
not
a
carny.
They
hired
me
because
I'm
damn
do
it
I,
don't
even
do
it
cuz
that
great
I
don't
need
a
headache
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you.
G
This
is
a
rush
job
you're,
trying
to
put
all
of
this
stuff
in
the
one
dam
approval
of
money,
because
it
scared
it
won't
get
an
opportunity
to
do
it
again.
They
should
not
even
look
at
48
20
years
I.
Do
it
on
10
years.
Don't
include
the
water
source
that
is
Netherlands.
It
needs
most
study,
though
they
told
you.
It
was
10
years
with
the
last
time
they
looked.
The
sudden
technology
has
changed
since
I
said
in
the
suit
my
baseboard
things
are
not
the
same
okay.
G
So
this
is
a
game
uphill
about
getting
all
this
in
one
swoop.
Let's
get
the
pipes
fixed
first,
that's
it
all
this
other
stuff.
You
could
win
another
three
four!
You
might,
in
fact,
with
a
hurricane
coming
where
the
hell
is
a
drought.
They
need
to
be
getting
on
a
surface
water
and
pumping
it
into
the
heart.
They
need
to
be
getting
more
reservoirs
in
subsurface
water
capacity,
because
that's
natural
God
rain
pumping
that
in
the
aquifer
which
they
ought
to
be
doing
from
Tampa
Bay
bypass.
Now
this
whole
water
thing.
G
If
you
keep
going
the
way
you're
going,
the
FBI
will
be
right
here
because
it
comes
down
to
big
money,
big
players
and
a
lot
of
backdoor
deals
going
down.
I'm
gonna
be
quiet.
Cuz
ain't
worried
about
nobody,
ain't
we're
about
in
the
water;
cuz
I,
don't
drink
city,
water,
I,
drink,
sophia's,
well,
okay,
so
the
bottom
line
and
I
haven't
drunk
shitty
water
and
picked
20
years
and
I
took
it
back
with
it,
I
cooked
with
it.
G
C
But
what
a
thunderous
exit
I
would
also
ask
by
the
way
council
members
as
well.
We
usually
allow
some
engagement
with
the
public,
but
given
the
fact
that
we
have
a
number
of
hearings,
I
would
ask
that
anybody
who
wishes
to
make
a
point,
while
the
speaker
is
here
after
speakers
here
etc,
just
hold
off
until
afterwards,
just
for
the
sake
of
time,
go
ahead,.
D
C
D
Brian
Frey
1224,
East,
Clifton
Street
I,
tend
to
write
my
things
down
so
that
I'm
really
clear
and
how
I
feel
about
what
I'm
presenting
many
people
do
agree
that
we
live
in
a
beautiful
in
a
vibrant
city.
We
have
over
150
people
moving
into
our
region
on
a
daily
basis,
and
it's
clear
that
folks
from
around
the
country
and
the
globe
for
that
matter,
as
we
do
believe
that
we
live
in
one
of
the
greatest
places
on
this
planet
as
a
successful
realtor
in
the
Tampa
Bay
area.
D
I
know
firsthand
how
rapidly
our
city
is
growing
and
it's
important
that
our
infrastructure
is
able
to
handle
not
only
our
current
needs,
but
our
needs
for
the
future.
As
our
mayor,
Jane
caster,
so
eloquently
stated
before,
and
I
paraphrase
it's
important
to
invest
in
Tampa
tomorrow
by
planning
for
it
today,
as
population
growth
continues
to
permeate
our
city,
our
aging
infrastructure
must
be
placed
at
the
forefront
to
ensure
that
all
residents
are
able
to
live
in
and
enjoy
safe,
sustainable
communities
thanks
to
advances
in
technology
and
science.
D
It's
not
just
a
taxpaying
citizen
of
this
amazing
city,
but
as
someone
who,
like
many
others,
chose
to
make
Tampa
my
home
for
the
rest
of
my
life
I
ask
that
you
support
the
pipes
project,
the
research
and
the
work
that's
necessary
to
support
an
alternative
water
apply.
Please
don't
allow
your
politics
or
your
emotions
to
cloud
your
judgment,
but
instead
focus
on
the
factual
information
that
supports
this
necessity.
D
C
K
Good
evening
Kent
Bailey,
chair
of
the
Tampa
Bay
Sierra
Club,
on
behalf
of
19,000
members
and
supporters,
I've
thrown
away
my
prepared
remarks
in
the
hopes
that
I
can
shed
a
little
light.
Maybe
clarify
some
misunderstandings
that
you
may
have
experienced
as
a
result,
though,
some
answers
that
might
have
been
more
forthcoming
first
off
my
budget
does
not
depend
on
whether
this
project
goes
forward
or
not.
I
have
no
axe
to
grind
here.
I
benefit
from
it,
not
one
bit
whether
it's
fails
or
whether
it
moves
forward.
I,
don't
I,
don't
non-resident
of
the
city.
K
Saltwater
intrusion
is
a
result
of
over
pumping.
It's
a
regional
concerns,
a
statewide
concern
over
pumping.
It
is
also
responsible
for
lowering
the
aquifer,
which
is
causing
a
rash
of
sinkholes.
It's
not
a
phenomenon
located
to
Sulphur
Springs.
Well,
we
haven't
heard
anything
about
tonight.
Is
conservation
measures
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
details
of
my
remaining
one
minute
55
seconds,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
with
rainwater,
cisterns
and
gray
water
systems,
which
you
can
mandate
at
no
cost
to
the
city
household
potable
water
use,
is
cut
by
half
primary
drinking
water
standard.
K
As
opposed
to
class
one
surface
water
standards,
Commission
of
council
and
Dean
Felder
mentioned
a
question:
why
don't
we
just
pump
it
into
the
resident?
Because
you
can't,
because
it's
not
clean
enough,
it
doesn't
meet
class
1
standards
and
when
your
total
drinking
water
standards,
you
need
to
be
sure
you
understand
what
those
standards
are.
There
are
many
different
standards:
groundwater
standards,
surface
water
standard
and
others
types
I've
all
only
heard
that
pipes
is
not
feasible
when
you're
going
in
and
putting
in
cart
blocks.
K
You
know
just
on
top
of
nothing,
there's
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
in
hills
in
Tampa
now
that
are
still
on
septic
tanks,
and
that
really
is
messing
up
the
river
okay,
you're
gonna
be
going
in
those
neighborhoods
to
replace
water
mains,
but
sewer
lines
in
there
get
those
people
off
septic
tanks,
clear
up
some
of
our
groundwater
pollution
and,
oh
by
the
way,
run
the
purple
pipes.
When
you
do
it,
you
can't
tell
me
that
that's
not
cost-effective
direct
potable
reuse
regulations
are
coming.
We
don't
have
them
now
in
Florida,
but
they
are
coming.
K
You
need
to
audit
this
report,
get
somebody
who's
not
standing.
Make
a
buck
look
at
it.
I
could
spend
the
rest
of
the
night
telling
you
about
the
inconsistencies
and
inaccuracies
in
it,
and
just
for
your
record,
there
is
no
other
project
like
this.
The
clear
water
project
is
reverse
osmosis
and
I
urge
you
do
reverse
osmosis.
That
would
be
great.
It
costs
a
little
more,
but
it's
safe.
It
is
tested
the
system
in
Altamonte
Springs
do
something
like
that.
That'll
work,
that's
safe!
Thank.
K
D
Alexander
Metcalfe
and
I'm,
a
Tampa
native
in
fact,
I'm
one
of
councilman
Miranda's,
Tampa
natives,
that's
moved
back
in
the
last
year,
as
many
people
have
I
come
before
you
in
support
of
the
city's
plan
to
provide
Tampa
with
sustainable
approach
to
a
current
and
future
water
needs.
As
a
former
longtime
employee
of
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency
I've
learned
to
trust
and
consensus,
science
I
trust
the
science
that
tells
us
150
people
are
added
to
our
region's
already
large
population
every
single
day,
I
trust
the
science
that
tells
us.
D
We
are
quickly
reaching
the
end
of
our
ability
to
draw
fresh
water
from
the
Hillsborough
River
and,
most
importantly,
I
trust,
the
science
it
tells
us.
We
have
the
technologies
to
face
this
crisis
head-on.
The
measures
presented
this
evening
by
the
city
includes
safe,
sustainable
and
cost-effective
ways
of
ensuring
that
every
Tampa
resident
has
access
to
pure
drinking
water
for
generations
to
come
through
taxes
and
fees
and
other
economic
measures.
We
are
all
asked
to
invest
in
our
community
from
time
to
time,
and
right
now
is
another
one
of
those
times
to
me.
D
In
my
mind,
this
is
of
so
much
of
a
choice
as
it
is
a
responsibility,
because
if
we
choose
option
five-
and
we
do
nothing-
we
come
back
here
again
in
five
years
to
have
the
same
conversation
all
over
again.
It's
a
responsibility
of
the
council
to
do
its
part
to
put
the
future
of
Tampa
at
the
forefront,
I
strongly
urge
each
and
every
one
of
you
to
support
the
appropriate
allocation
of
funds
for
this
project
and
I
hope
that
you
will
make
the
right
decision.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Guys
hear
me:
okay,
you
just
talk
into
this.
Okay,
all
right,
I'm,
Marlon,
Anderson
I,
live
at
five
thousand
seven
West
San
Jose
Street
I'm,
here
to
talk
about
the
toilet
to
tap
I've,
read
the
report
by
the
water
department,
the
final
report
from
August
2018,
the
report
lists
various
micro
constituents
also
called
content,
contaminants
of
emerging
concern,
which
includes
steroids,
hormones
and
pharmaceuticals
right
there
in
the
report.
It
states
that
they
cannot
remove
these
substances.
E
Furthermore,
after
the
effluent
is
injected
in
the
aquifer,
there
is
in
fact
no
possible
way
to
prevent
the
effluent
from
spreading
around.
They
can't
just
contain
it.
It's
gonna
go
below
the
city,
there's
nothing
stopping
it.
Okay,
they
will
not
be
using
reverse
osmosis
in
their
presentation,
and
my
question
is:
why
are
we
not
providing
the
highest
and
best
possible
and
most
thorough
level
of
purification
for
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
drinking
water
in
this
city?
Why
are
we
settling
for
anything
less?
E
Okay,
so,
based
upon
all
this,
we're
expected
to
accept
the
city
administration,
spending,
300
or
350
million,
whatever
it
ends
up
being
to
roll
the
dice
with
our
health
to
roll
the
dice
with
our
aquifer
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
Instead,
if
we
can
do
the
purple
pipes,
let's
do
more
of
the
purple
pipes.
If
not,
let's
do
nothing
this.
This
issue
came
up
nine
years
ago
in
2010,
I
expose
out
against
it
at
that
time
and
I
spoke
to
Tampa
Bay
Water.
E
They
told
me
that
we
had
plenty
of
water
to
last
for
the
next
ten
years,
I
called
Tampa
Bay
water.
Again,
they
said
we
have
enough
water
to
last
for
the
next
nine
years
and
they
have
three
separate
projects
to
augment
what
we're
what
we
have
right
now,
including
expanding
the
desal
plant,
so
I
do
not
see
this
dire
need
for
us
to
do
so
thing
right
away.
I
feel
like
we
should
either
do
nothing
or
we'll
do
the
purple
pipes.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
You
know
I
live
on
Davis
Island
good
evening
council
members.
Last
week,
I
attended
the
water/wastewater
meeting
at
Kate
Jackson
center
as
I
inquired
as
to
how
much
my
water
bill
would
increase.
I
was
surprised
when
the
presenter
mr.
Baird
remarked
that
everyone
in
the
room
would
love
to
have
my
$51
water
bill.
Although
I
remember
a
time
when
my
water
bill
was
$25.
P
14
years
ago,
I
made
a
small
investment
to
have
all
the
grass
removed
for
my
front
back
inside
yards
and
in
its
place.
I
planted
a
drought
resistant
ground
cover
in
the
front
and
had
brick
installed
in
the
back
inside
yards
I
conserve
water
as
a
way
of
life,
I
consider
water
to
be
a
very
precious
and
protection
limited
commodity.
The
city
of
Tampa
needs
to
rethink
its
approach
to
conserving
water.
P
The
city
of
Tampa
needs
to
become
very
proactive
in
encouraging
campus
residents
to
stop
using
our
precious
Hillsborough
County
Hillsborough
River
drinking
water
to
water.
It's
gas,
water
guzzling
lawns.
The
idea
of
lawns
was
brought
to
this
country
by
people
who
had
traveled
to
England
in
the
1700s
and
who
admired
the
lawns
at
the
mansions
of
the
aristocrats
centuries
later.
The
aristocrats
are
mostly
gone
and
the
mansion's
are
mostly
in
disrepair,
but
Americans
continue
to
use
pure
drinking
water
to
water
their
lawns.
P
Now
the
city
of
Tampa
is
asking
residents
to
drink
treated,
toilet
water
as
a
water
saving
measure,
while
Tampa's
residents
continue
to
use
the
treated
pure
river
water
to
water,
its
lawns,
it's
irrational.
The
city
of
Tampa
should
not
have
subject
its
residents
to
drinking
treated
toilet
water,
and
it
should
definitely
not
store
treated
contaminated
wastewater
into
the
Florida
aquifer.
Both
are
horrible
ideas.
P
Instead,
the
city
needs
to
initiate
an
intense
public
relations
campaign
and
encourage
campus
residents
to
rid
themselves
of
their
water
guzzling
lawns
and
to
plant
drought,
tolerant
native
plants
and
ground
covers
that
would
save
hundreds
of
millions
of
gallons
of
making
water
each
year,
while
at
the
same
time
helping
city
residents
save
thousands
of
dollars
on
their
water
bills.
Native
ground
covers
such
as
Jamaican,
Puerto,
Reed
and
other
native
plants
also
have
the
added
benefit
of
nourishing
wildlife,
birds,
bees,
butterflies,
etc.
P
In
addition,
removing
lawns
also
remove
significance.
The
significant
amount
of
air
pollution
created
by
lawn
mowers
and
other
yard
equipment,
with
the
city
becoming
proactive,
enterprising
and
encouraging.
With
regards
to
water
conservation,
many
of
Tampa's
residents
will
decide
that
saving
water
is
very
beneficial
to
them
and
to
the
environment
in
which
they
live
and
will
follow
the
city's
good
advice.
P
Then,
happily,
none
of
us
will
have
to
drink
the
water
that
we
flushed
down
our
toilets,
which
will
result
not
only
in
decreasing
our
quality
of
life,
but
will
also
result
in
people
avoiding
visiting
or
moving
to
Tampa
in
order
to
not
have
to
drink
treated,
toilet
water.
Quality
of
water
is
the
most
important
thing
that
people
investigate
before
they
move
their
families
or
businesses
to
a
new
city.
As
the
third-generation
campaign,
I
can
honestly
say
that
Tampa
has
always
had
quality
drinking
water
and
it
always
should
have
Thank.
B
B
What
I
would
do
is
vote
to
not
add
the
300
million
for
toilets
tap
the
water
department's
presentation
today
to
did
not
inspire
confidence
and
what
they
were
saying.
What
I
would
do
is
just
take
that
out.
The
do-nothing
option
doesn't
mean
do
nothing
on
finding
additional
water.
It
means
to
do
nothing
through
the
Tampa
water
department,
continuing
with
it
that
program.
What
we're
asking
and
what
I
would
do
is
one
of
you
and
what
we're
asking
the
mayor
to
do
is
to
pursue
water
augmentation
through
Tampa
Bay
water
they
use
the
aquifer.
B
B
Basically,
the
chemical
stuff
needs
to
be
taken
out
through
something
like
reverse
osmosis,
but
do
this
through
Tampa
Bay
water
rather
than
on
your
own,
and
if
they,
eighty
to
whatever,
is
hit
in
a
few
years.
If
you
need
to
ask
to
increase
that,
you
know,
if
you
whatever,
then
you
do
that
instead
of
300
million
so
I'm
agreeing
with
what
four
of
you
brought
up
today.
Thank.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Nancy
Stevens
I'm,
also
with
the
Tampa
Bay
Sierra
Club
I've
got
a
David
silence.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
looking
at
providing
clean
water
to
tamp.
Of
course
we
need
that,
but
I
would
advocate
for
conservation,
fixing
the
leaky
pipes
and
augmenting
with
buying
content
to
save
water
and
the
reclaim
pipes.
The
converting
sewage
water
to
drinking
water
is,
is
risky,
there's
a
lot
of
Tam
entombed
in
drinking
water
and
want
to
show
a
couple
things
here.
N
This
is
a
this
is
a
page
table
from
the
report.
The
first
column
is
most
of
items
and
gray.
These
are
items
that
are
in
the
sewage
water
coming
out
that
don't
meet
drinking
water
standard.
It's
not
surprising.
Sewage
water
doesn't
meet
drinking
water
standards.
I'm,
not
I,
don't
understand
how
that
statement
was
made.
N
My
cousin
Karen
ich
there's
a
bunch
of
other
things
here
that
that,
for
another
set
of
standards
that
it
doesn't
meet
first
common
grade
bunch
of
things
that
aren't
met
what
has
to
be
treated
as
mentioned,
there's
no
things
like
reverse
osmosis.
That
can
do
it.
You
know
I'm,
not
saying
you
can't
do
it,
but
you
got
to
you
got
to
treat
it.
You
just
can't
put
it
in
the
aquifer
and
hope
the
aquifer
does
it.
N
So
for
the
tap
to
proposal,
but
how
does
this
water
treated?
Well?
Here's
something
here's
some
suggestions
on
how
to
deal
with
some
of
the
things
that
wouldn't
be
wouldn't
be
handled
by
UV
light
I
believe,
and
what
concerns
me
in
here
is
some
of
the
answers.
How
would
they
treat
it?
Some
of
that?
Some
of
them
say
there
were
suggestions
to
request
Waller
water
quality
exemptions
and
for
another
to
seek
alternative
treatment
requirements.
N
So,
instead
of
meeting
the
water
drinking
water
requirements,
they're
looking
to
try
to
figure
out
how
they
can
change
the
requirements,
so
the
water
they
have
passes,
not
that
it's
safe,
it
just
passes
some
rules.
So
that's
the
concerns
we
have.
We
want
safe
water,
not
we
don't
want
to
change
the
rules
so
that
the
water
we
have
is
safe,
taps
on
highways,
taps
a
high
risk
proposal
that
doesn't
address
the
removal
of
harmful
contaminants
in
the
water.
N
There's
no
evidence
in
the
report
that
tap
without
additional
fill
things
such
as
reverse
osmosis,
will
be
able
to
deliver
safe,
safe
drinking
water,
in
addition,
is
a
reduced
risk
of
polluting
the
aquifer
or
even
destroying
the
aquifer.
More
study
and
research
must
be
done
so
so
we
need
to
look
at
this
further.
Okay.
If
it
does
need
safe
drinking
water,
we
need
to
be
careful
that
we
do
provide
safe
drinking
water
shouldn't
just
be
going
getting
funding
to
start
running
pipes
and
and
putting
out
glasses
or
shorts
to
convince
the
public
that.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Caroline
Bennett
I'm,
a
lifelong
resident
of
South
Tampa
I,
just
want
to
say
that
I
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
being
informed
on
what's
going
on
in
my
city
and
when
mr.
Carlson
talked
about
the
for
meetings
about
this,
that
was
the
first
I'd
heard
of
it
and
I
haven't
heard
of
it.
I
can
tell
you
most,
the
people
haven't
heard
about
it,
so
there
has
not
been
the
appropriate
opportunity
for
residential
input
and
education
on
this
and
I
have
a
real
problem
with
that.
P
I
also
want
to
say
that
just
listening
to
this
I
heard
them
talk,
one
of
the
council
persons
asked
about
well.
How
long
has
this
been
used
and
who
else
does
it,
and
he
talked
about
the
ala?
Five
every
talked
about
Lake
Lanier
and
he
talked
about
potable
reuse
and
all
these
places
I
didn't
hear
him
say
once
aquifer
we're
talking
about
putting
stuff
in
the
aquifer
of
all
those
hundred
or
so
and
decades
of
so
how
many
of
those
have
involved?
P
Pumping
water
into
the
aquifer,
I
believe
that
that
was
misleading,
which
concerns
me,
because
what
else
is
being
is
being
said
that
it's
misleading
us.
We
need
to
slow
down.
We
need
to
take
a
close
look
at
this.
There
needs
to
be
public
input
and
education
I
also
want
to
just
address
the
problem
of
density
in
Tampa
altogether.
P
You
know,
there's
all
this
talk
about
all
these
people
who
are
moving
here
and
one
of
the
reasons
that's
cited
in
national
studies
of
areas
for
people
to
move
is
the
cost
of
living
or
how
much
money
they
save
by
moving
someplace.
Well,
if
we
need
more
infrastructure
of
any
type
to
support
the
increased
population,
then
the
people
who
want
to
move
here
need
to
pay
for
it.
The
people
who
already
live
here
should
not
be
subsidizing.
P
Those
moves
we
are
not
limitless.
You
cannot
pour
a
gallon
into
a
quart
container.
There
are
certain
natural
resources
which
are
going
to
naturally
dictate
the
population
if
money
has
to
be
a
vet
invested
to
support
a
greater
population
than
the
people
who
are
moving
here
need
to
pay
for
that,
not
the
people
who
are
already
here
subsidized
it.
So
it's
cheaper
for
them
to
move
here.
P
I,
don't
I'm,
not
an
expert
and
I,
don't
know
all
the
ins
and
outs
but
I
think
there's
other
things
that
can
be
done
when
you
look
at
when
you're,
permitting
new
construction
and
an
increase
in
density
that
needs
to
be
looked
at.
An
increase
in
density
are
the
new
homes
requiring
rain
barrels
to
help
pay
for
their
lawn,
irrigation
or
HOAs
like
where
my
sister
lived,
who
require
them
to
have
a
st.
Augustine
law.
Are
those
requirements
being
eliminated
or
our
new
construction?
Are
they
requiring
a
long
landscaping?
P
E
If
we
wait
until
we
reach
our
maximum
capacity,
I
believe
it'll
be
too
late
and
I
support
the
decisions
that
sorry
a
little
nervous
that
once
it's
too
late,
it
will
cost
more
to
fix
later
on.
Sorry
and
I
want
just
to
live
a
safe
and
productive
life.
I
know
Tampa
I
call
Tampa.
My
home
I
want
to
keep
continuing
calling
Tampa
my
home
progress
of
my
life
and
I
hope
to
just
be
a
little
spark
in
the
younger
generation
to
support
this
pipes
project.
Thank.
K
C
A
O
Know
when
I
had
asked
the
question:
how
long
has
this
been
done
in
other
places?
How
many
other
places
have
done
it
and
whatnot
I
know
one
of
the
answers
was
they
went
to
Tokyo.
They
went
to
Japan
to
get
an
award
for
the
process
for
the
science
behind
it
and
it
made
me
think
of
other
things
that
got
awards
like
DDT
in
the.
O
Ddt
in
the
late
1940s
I
think
a
chemist
named
Muller
Paul
Muller
received
the
Nobel
Prize
for
its
use
in,
like
nineteen
forty,
eight
years
later,
we
started
seeing
it
banned
because
of
it
being
linked
to
environmental
issues
with
animals
in
the
wild
carcinogens.
You
know
leading
the
cancer
and
whatnot
at
the
beginning.
People
thought
it
was
great.
You
know
during
World
War
two
for
use
of
against
malaria
and
all
this
this
and
that
then
I
thought
about
nuclear
testing
when
they
were
doing
in
the
40s
and
50s.
O
O
So
maybe
I'm
going
to
an
extreme
with
this
asking
how
it's
filtered,
how
it's
done
the
science
behind
it
do
we
do
this
pump
this
into
the
aquifer
which
we
can't
pull
out
and
then
years
later
people
started
getting
sick
and
we
start
wondering
why
so
many
people
are
sick
in
20,
30,
40
years
I,
don't
know
maybe
I'm
thinking
too
far
beyond,
but
I
compare
it
to
DDT
and
nuclear
testing.
All
these
things
that
we're
deemed
safe
and
state-of-the-art
and
award-winning.
O
But
then
once
people
get
sick
once
it's
out
there,
you
can't
reverse
that
just
like
once
you
pump
something
into
the
aquifer
and
you
see
that
there's
damage
or
there's
some
negativity
behind
it
or
it's
leading
to
something
greater
that
we
can't
control.
We
can't
pull
it
out
of
the
aquifer.
We
can't
reverse
the
process,
so
maybe
I
thank
too
much
because
I'm
known
to
overthink
everything,
but
we
have
to
be
very
careful
when
we're
playing
with
our
water
supply
and
potentially
people's
health.
You
know,
maybe
not
right
now,
but
decades
down
the
road.
E
You
thank
you,
Cameron
councilman,
Bailey
stuff,
go
when
the
nuclear
program
wrapped
up
in
here
in
the
United
States,
both
military
and
for
electrical
use.
Our
government
decided
to
just
dump
it
at
the
bottom
of
the
Pacific
Ocean,
and
we
saw
the
ramifications
of
that.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
I
would
rather
not
do
anything
to
our
off.
First.
Thank
you.
God,
that's
councilman!.
A
Miranda,
thank
you
very
much.
I
didn't
come
for
a
confession
party,
but
since
everyone
talking
about
confessions,
I'll
confess
myself,
I
don't
have
a
lawn
I
got
rocks
not
today,
but
20
years
ago,
I
got
white
grass
I,
don't
have
to
mow,
I
don't
have
to
water,
but
I
do
have
to
seed
because
the
first
came
out
and
it
they
dropped.
The
seeds
and
I
got
to
pick
up
little
saplings
of
all
the
diseases
that
I
don't
want
first.
Secondly,
I
challenge:
anyone
to
bring
a
water
bill
or
land
mine
in.
A
2018
have
put
myself
to
a
test
that
I
wanted
to
go
one
year
without
one
unit
of
water
being
used
every
month
and
I
got
real
close,
but
the
water
Carmen
screwed
me
up
for
11
months,
I
had
zero,
but
on
the
twelfth
month
when
I
said,
I
was
gonna.
Have
a
successful
challenge
yourself
for
these
things,
I
got
one
and
I
looked
at
the
bill.
That
first
I
said
you
know:
I
failed
until
I
looked
at
the
bill
again
and
the
water
department
you
and
the
holidays
gave
that
water
meter
three
more
days.
A
So
there's
a
thirty
fourth
day.
They
check
the
meter
not
on
the
30th,
so
in
my
mind,
I
still
lost
because
I
don't
see
it
on
paper.
However,
this
is
not
about
me.
It's
just
about
conversation.
I
also
drive
an
electric
car,
so
I
don't
consider
myself
a
fire
mentals
I,
just
practice
like
I've
iron
menace.
There's
one
would
you
think
about
it
and
one
that
does
it.
So
that's
I
think
that
doesn't
make
me
a
good
guy
or
certainly
doesn't
make
me.
A
So
I
guess
maybe
that's
the
option
or
not,
but
I
understand
what
we're
saying
I
some
time
back,
I,
don't
know
how
long
it
was
in
fact,
I
forgot
the
gentleman's
name
but
I
paid
his
flight
from
California
to
come
here,
and
we
held
the
symposium
at
the
University
of
South,
Florida
I.
Think
mr.
Baird
was
there
and
somebody
else
paid
for
his
hotel
somebody
else
paid
for
his
meal.
That's
called
revenue
sharing
every
over
200
people
there,
not
one
after
that.
Man
spoke
was
against
it.
A
It's
not
one
living
microbe
when
that
process
that
that
gentleman
talked
about
was
in
any
water
that
they
serve
in
California.
Let
me
go.
Furthermore,
when
we
talk
about
other
things
that
came
up
about
water
and
and
things
that
are,
we
can't
control
everything
in
life.
We
could
that
be
no
hurricanes.
No
one
would
die
and
would
be
eating
each
other
because
we
be
overpopulated.
A
So
the
problem
we
have
on
earth
is
us
people
say:
oh,
that's
something
wrong
with
the
earth.
I
know:
what's
wrong
with
yours:
it's
not
the
earth.
It's
the
people
on
the
earth.
We've
killed
the
wildlife.
We
destroyed
the
waterways.
When
you
look
at
some
of
these
scenes,
that
I
see
on
television
about
the
rivers
and
the
lakes
and
what's
happening
larger
than
the
size
of
Texas,
there's
a
place
in
the
Pacific
Ocean
that
dense
plastic,
because
we,
the
humans,
did
it
no
one
else.
A
Did
it
we,
the
humans,
did
it
what
happened
in
Russia
the
other
day
wasn't
a
rocket.
They
had
a
an
engine
that
was
from
what
I
understand
they
had
an
engine
that
was
propelled
by
nucular
fuel.
It
was
something
else
that
exploded
because
radiations
testing
all
over
that
area.
Right
today,
as
we
speak,
I,
don't
believe
in
the
media
is
what
do
they
call
it
untruth
for
or
unreliable
or
whatever
it
is,
but
media
reports
what
we
do.
So
if
anybody
is
wrong,
it's
not
the
media's
us
every
40,
what
we
did
rightly
or
wrongly.
A
So
it's
it's
been
a
long
haul.
It's
been
something
that
I've
enjoyed
working
and
doing
these
things,
and
it
comes
a
time
that
the
rubber
hits
the
road
and
we're
they're
going
to
move
forward
or
move
backwards,
but
we
can't
stay
still.
You've
heard
a
lot
of
things
sooner
or
later.
If
these
things
that
I
heard
today,
will
you
keep
buying
water?
A
If
you
think
the
water
rates
gonna
go
high,
keep
buying
water
to
see
what
happens,
there's
a
pass-through
that
comes
through
every
month,
I
hardly
ever
get
it,
but
I
see
it
there
and
it
irks
me
when
I
get
charged
seven
cents
of
15
cents
for
water
from
somebody
else,
we
are
governed
by
the
elected
officials
of
this
city.
We
have
been
since
I,
don't
know
when
have
we
made
mistakes
or
we
do
so
have
they
so
have
you
I
think
so
we're
all
human
beings
presentation
today
was
adequate.
A
Was
it
the
best
I've
seen
no
I'll
tell
you
why
it
was
never
brought
to
the
comparison
of
other
areas
that
are
trying
to
do
the
same
thing.
We're
trying
to
do
to
show
how
long
they've
been
doing
these
things
I'm,
not
disappointed
in
the
presentation
I
mentioned
in
the
president
torch,
but
the
subject
matter
was
not
addressed
directly
and
I.
A
Think
if
there's
any
fault,
it
dies
in
the
subject
matter
not
being
directly
compared
to
another
system,
just
like
what
we're
talking
about
and
how
long
they've
been
using
it
and
how
many
deaths
were
caused
by
it.
Fear
like
Churchill
says,
is
the
only
thing
you
don't
have
to
fear,
because
guess
what
nothing
in
this
world
that's
forever.
Not
this
microphone,
not
this
piece
of
wood,
not
Charlie
Miranda
for
sure,
but
all
of
us
are
in
this
boat
right
together
and
we're
not
going
to
swim
or
we're
not
going
to
sink
we're
gonna
succeed.
J
J
You
talked
about
fear
when
people
don't
have
adequate
information,
they're,
fearful
okay,
who
you
are
when
I
first
met
the
staff,
and
you
know-
and
we
got
a
good
staff
with
War
Department
guys
they
work
hard.
You
know
and
I
got
to
give
him
the
property
trying
hard
to
to
get
an
idea
through
this
counseling
to
the
public,
but
when
I
first
met
him
all
I
said
Marking
is
a
key
to
anything.
J
Marking
is
gonna,
be
the
key
to
the
success
of
you
projects
and
again
we
didn't
mark
it.
Well,
we
didn't
have
any
presentations
of
other
cities,
then,
and
I
asked
about
that
several
times.
I
talked
about
that.
Tell
me
all
the
places
that
are
doing
this
and
see
music.
Video
show
me
some
stuff.
I
mean
we
never
got
those
things.
It's
the
first
time,
I
just
seen
those
few
cities,
but
you
know
people
are
visual.
You
want
to
see
how
this
process
works,
who's
doing
it
who's
got
it
presentation
is
everything.
J
Sometimes
you
know
as
a
police
officer
when
you
a
tasked
with
doing
a
job.
If
you
don't
have
all
the
facts,
you
don't
have
all
the
tools,
it
doesn't
work,
you
gonna
get
hurt,
you
may
not
come
home.
Keep
the
staff
minute
knows
that
knows
that
you
don't
have
all
the
tools
or
you're
not
given
what
you
need
to
be
prepared.
J
We
get
hurt
and,
unfortunately,
I
think
the
presentation
was
decent,
but
it
wasn't.
Was
it
all
there
and
that's
why
I
made
that
statement
earlier
that?
Yes,
it's
gonna
come
time.
We
need
water,
but
we've
got
to
give
the
people
a
little
bit
more.
So
we
can
understand
these
processes
and
I.
Don't
think
we've
done
that
yet
to
say
to
get
through
something
that
we're
not
sure
of
right
now
or
the
public's
unsure.
You
know
you
go
back
to
look
at
the
meetings.
J
You
know
I
said
it
well.
When
people
talk
about
Piper,
then
it's
raise
the
bar.
They
say:
okay,
well,
sewer
probably
goes
gonna
put
some
pipes
down
there.
They
don't
know
about
the
water
situation.
What
we're
trying
to
do?
That's
the
whole
big
picture
and
I
think
that's
what
we
dropped
it.
We
drop
the
foot,
the
football
we
funnel
nothing's
ever
dead.
You
know,
if
you
don't
try,
you
know
you
try
again
I
think
you
know
we
want
to
try
again
because
it
will
come
up
again.
J
Unfortunately,
I
can't
support
the
water
issue
at
this
time,
but
if
it
was
dealing
with
those
pipes,
I
would
be
for
that
all
day
long.
But
that's
that's
a
needed
item
right
now.
Everyone
knows
that,
but
I
can't
support
this
water
decision,
because
I
don't
have
enough
information.
I,
don't
know
what
it's
gonna
cost
the
people.
I
wasn't
gonna
hurt
some
folks,
I,
don't
really
know
who
has
it
what's
their
success
with
what
what
the
the
rates
of
people
are
getting
sick
or
what
have
you
and
it
may
be
very
low?
J
Maybe
none,
but
we
just
don't
have
that
type
of
doubt
and
I
think
to
move
forward
with
a
project
of
this
magnitude,
this
type
of
money.
We
got
other
issues
in
the
city
going
on
that
three
hundred
million
dollars
can
be
utilized
for
it
to
me.
I
just
think
we
just
follow
the
ball
so
again.
I
can't
support
the
water
at
this
time,
but
if
we
talked
about
pipes
going
the
grounds
for
sewer
and
the
water
issues
that
we
have
and
I
would
be
all
for
for
that,
but
I
just
can't
support
it.
This
time.
H
I
have
listened
to
the
environmental
health
concerns
that
that
the
people
of
the
city
and
engineers
and
others
have
given,
but
my
biggest
concern
is
that
I
think
this
is
fiscally
reckless
and
the
timing
is
wrong
in
10
years.
I
think
this
might
be
a
good
project
and
then
the
question
is
whether
it
should
be
owned
by
the
city
of
Tampa
or
by
someone
like
Tampa
Bay
water
and
whether
it
should
be
reverse
osmosis
or
some
other
technology.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
was
not
discussed
tonight-
and
it
was
in
my
memo
to
the
water
department
which
they
never
answered
in
writing.
As
they
said,
you
know,
we
still
have
four
or
five
MGD
that
we
haven't
used.
Yet
we're
not
going
to
use
all
of
that
until
2026
in
10
11
years,
so
2030
we're
gonna
need
11
or
12,
depending
on
which
number
you
believe,
11
or
12
million
gallons
a
day.
H
There
is
somewhere
between
7
and
10
million
gallons
a
day
lost
because
of
broken
pipes
that
we're
now
gonna
spend
two
point:
nine
billion
dollars
fixing,
even
if
we
got
two
or
three
MGD
of
that
back.
That
still
takes
us
for
two
or
three
more
years:
ta
water
and
I
think
Swift.
My
estimate
that
through
conservation
efforts
which
they're
willing
to
fund
to
educate
the
public
on
intensity
of
Tampa's
turn
them
down
that
we
could
say
4
to
5
million,
conservatively
4
to
5
mg
D
and
through
efficiencies
found,
we
could
save
more.
H
So
there's
every
reason
to
expect
that
we
could
get
to
15
years
or
more
without
anything
and
considering
the
feedback
that
we've
heard
from
the
public
that
even
five
dollars
a
month
is
a
lot
to
add
to
the
bill
of
a
fixed
income
person.
I
think
it's,
it's
reckless
to
add
anything
extra,
the
bill
that
we
don't
need.
It's
reckless
to
add
this
to
our
debt
when
we
don't
need
it
and
go
on
down
the
line.
H
H
Just
a
duck
from
3.2
billion
dollars,
whatever
exactly
it
is
take
out.
The
and
we've
heard
two
different
numbers:
300
and
350
million
so
I'll
take
the
water
departments,
advice
on
that,
but
based
on
their
first
recommendation,
I
think
they
said
350,
let's
take
the
350
million
out.
So
instead
of
asking
for
3.2
billion
dollars
in
the
rate
case,
we
would
ask
for
what
what's
the
math
two
point,
eight
five
or
two
point:
nine
five
I'm
told
by
legal
that
that
doing
that
will
not
change
our
notice
period.
H
We
can
still
have
the
discussion
next
week
and
we
just
we
can't,
go
higher
than
3.2
billion,
but
we
can
go
lower.
That'll.
Take
this
off
the
case.
We
have
so
many
things
on
our
agenda
that
we
need
to
spend
three
or
four
hours
to
discuss.
We
don't
need
to.
We
don't
need
to
discuss
this
right
now.
Water
is
the
most
important
issue
in
the
future,
but
the
water
wars
and
the
water
plans
were
solved
in
an
in
an
interlocal
agreement
by
the
creation
of
Tampa
Bay.
H
F
H
C
H
I
thought
your
analysis
earlier
was
very
factual
by
the
way
I
think.
Thank
you
for
doing
it
as
I
understand
it.
You
can
correct
me
one
of
the
internal
one
of
the
attorneys
in
Tampa
Bay
water
gave
an
opinion
that
we're
allowed
to
do
this.
St.
peed
and
maybe
one
other
attorney,
gave
the
opinion
that
we're
not
allowed
to
do
it
then
Tampa
Bay
water
and
in
Table
eight
waters.
The
member
government
board
members
Tampa
Bay
Water,
hired
the
original
attorney
who
developed
the
interlocal
agreement.
H
C
C
H
So
this
attorney
hat
helped
put
together
the
agreement
he
has
all
of
the.
He
has
all
the
original
documents,
all
the
original
emails,
all
the
original
evidence,
and
he
came
back
with
an
opinion
that
it
would
break
the
interlocal
agreement,
and
then
the
city
of
Tampa
objected
to
it
because
he,
because
city
of
Tampa
also
works
with
that
law
firm
and
they
objected
to
it
and
conflicted
him
out
from
otherwise.
He
would
have
been
here
tonight
giving
us
that
opinion
did
I,
get
it
at
all
right.
No.
F
The
one
part
that
you
did
get
right
was
the
general
counsel
of
Tampa.
Bay
Water
did
agree
that
the
proposed
tap
MOU
agreement
was
consistent
with
the
interlocal
agreement
and
that
may,
and
that
included
the
portion
of
tap
debt,
would
support
our
82
and
the
increased
amount
that
we
would
need
for
growth.
Beyond
that
it
was
slightly
inaccurate.
In
my
opinion,
Tampa
Bay
Water
asked
for
an
attorney
who
had
been
part
of
the
committee
of
18.
F
I
was
also
within
the
group
that
discussed
the
questions
that
was
going
to
come
up
and
the
words
are
as
any
attorney
that's
sitting
here.
The
words
on
the
paper
are
what
they
are
and
I
said
that
to
the
gentleman
who
decided
to
give
us
a
legal
opinion
that
didn't
say
that
we
couldn't
do
tap.
It
said
that
Tampa
Bay
water
was
the
exclusive
wholesale
provider
of
the
potable
water
to
its
members,
and
so
then
there
was
interpretations
of
his
opinion
that
were
used
to
make
statements
against
the
proposed
project.
H
A
F
F
A
There
was
only
one
attorney
that
I
heard
underneath
I,
don't
mind,
saying
it.
Don't
bother
me
one
bit:
the
attorney,
who
represented
the
city
of
st.
Petersburg
through
the
direction
of
that
elected
official
was
the
one.
That
said
absolutely,
you
can't
do
this.
You
can't
do
that
in
Kendall.
Is
there
was
no?
It
was
a
letter
that
long
think
you
couldn't
do
from
what
I
understand.
I
wasn't
in
the
room,
the
rest
of
the
attorneys
felt
pretty
comfortable.
They
said
if
Tampa
was
planning
on
suing
I'm,
not
saying
there
were
a
hundred
percent.
C
I
think
we're
I
mean
these
are
issues
that
could
come
up
next
week,
but
we're
technically
going
down
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
a
rabbit
hole.
These
are
very
important
issues
in
issues
by
the
way
we
talk
about
needing
more
information
issues
that
are
going
to
require
briefings
frankly
from
legal
in
terms
of
the
ramifications
of
the
votes.
That's
my
opinion,
but
I
am
in
charge
of
procedure,
not
necessarily
substance.
H
A
motion
was
to
deduct
350
million
dollars
from
the
rate
case
next
week
and
and
stop
the
studying
of
this
project
and
then
have
the
water
department
come
back
to
us
annually
for
a
for
a
demand,
update
and
then
in
five
years
present
to
the
Future
Council.
A
proposal
to
study
this
again
because
it's
not
needed
for
councilman.
C
Dane
Felder
before,
if
I
may,
I've
chaired
the
meeting
I
always
traditionally
wait
until
the
end
say:
I
just
want
to
say
something
if
I
may,
regarding
that
I
I
think
that's
a
very.
How
can
I
call
it
a
motion
that
needs
more
vetting
with
regards
to
the
leave
legal
ramifications,
that's
my
opinion,
I
think
to
vote
on
this
tonight.
At
this
hour.
It's
only
eight
but
I
think
we're
we're
all
taken
up
so
to
speak.
We
got
a
lot
of
hearings
ahead
of
us.
C
I
N
I
I,
don't
want
to
think
that
I'm
just
made
it
up
and
but
then
it
got
merged
together
and
and
and
that
that
option
of
it
standing
alone,
kind
of
vaporized
for
some
reason
so
I
think
not
from
a
legal
perspective.
I'm
not
answering
that
you
guys
can
figure
it
out,
but
from
a
policy
perspective
I
think
it's
very
reasonable.
I
C
H
I
just
has
legal.
The
issues
that
councilman,
Brandon
and
I
were
talking
about
with
asthma
claim
are
completely
separate
from
this
motion.
The
only
to
my
knowledge,
the
only
legal
impact
this
motion
could
have
is
is
in
the
is
in
the
in
the
rate
case,
and
my
understanding
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
if
there
the
implications,
but
my
understanding
from
from
our
discussion
earlier
is
that
we
can
reduce
the
amount
of
the
rate
case,
but
we
can't
increase
it
with
that
correct.
We.
F
P
H
C
J
J
Now,
if
you
can
amend
your
motion
to
where
we're
saying
that
we're
pulling
the
300
million
dollars
off
the
table
for
the
tap
program,
I'm
gonna
agreement
to
that
to
to
sit
to
vote
on
that
nice
evening,
but
I
don't
like
to
hold
the
progress
of
the
work
if
they're
still
trying
to
figure
out
and
come
back
a
year
from
now
six
months
now
or
whatever,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
them
in
the
by
says.
You
stop
all
work
for
five
years.
So.
B
If
I
might
chairman
councilman
Carlson
brings
up
a
good
point
about
the
350,
which
talked
about
350
million
versus
300
million.
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
before
a
boat
is
taken,
the
350
million
was
an
older
estimate
for
the
tamp
argumentation
project.
We
have
done
quite
a
bit
of
work
since
then.
The
estimate
is
the
estimate
is
closer
to
300
million.
So
300
million
is
the
number
that's
included
in
the
3.2
billion,
and
it
is
for
one
of
those
four
alternatives.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
300
is
in
there,
not
the
350.