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Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
thousand
oak
city
council
meeting
for
june
22nd,
leading
us
off
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance,
will
be
a
long
time
resident
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
I
think
more
than
50
years
and
one
of
them
the
best
known
sisters
in
our
community
sister
lisa
mcgafin,
with
the
sisters
of
notre
dame
thank
you.
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B
B
We
have
our
deputies
here,
deputy
richter
and
deputy
cordoba,
who
are
the
vulnerable
population
officers
with
our
sheriff's
department
or
topd,
and
since
homelessness
is
on
the
mind
of
many
people,
I
thought
it
would
be
good
if
we
started
off
with
that
before
we
have
our
public
hearings
and
with
that
I
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager,
who's.
Finally,
sitting
next
to
me,
along
with
our
city
attorney
for
the
first
time
in
more
than
a
year
and
without
a
mask
mr
powers.
Thank.
E
You
so
much
and
really
pleased
to
to
be
up
here
on
the
dyess
and
also
pleased
to
report.
This
will
be
my
last
covet
19
update
from
from
the
dyess
here,
as
we
have
entered
into
a
full
statewide
reopening
as
of
last
week,
and
so
we've
really
turned
that
page
just
want
to
remind
everyone
for
all
information
regarding
vaccination
or
any
questions
around
kovan
19.
The
county
maintains
their
website
venturacountyrecovers.org,
it's
a
great
place
for
information.
E
I
wanted
to
use
the
concluding
period
of
my
comments
to
do
a
quick
introduction
to
our
city,
new
member
of
our
city
team.
I
think
for
those
that
track
the
news
know
that
we
had
a
transition
in
our
police
chief
ranks
with
chief
jim
fryoff,
moving
to
another
post
within
the
sheriff's
department,
and
so
we've
gone
through
the
process
of
selecting
our
next
chief
here
and
that
is
our
new
chief
of
police
jeremy.
Paris
wanted
to
give
jeremy
an
opportunity
to
step
forward,
meet
the
community
and
offer
a
few
words.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
super
thrilled
to
be
here.
I've
been
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
for
a
very
long
time.
Lots
of
family.
Here
I've
been
with
the
sheriff's
department
for
23
years.
I
haven't
worked
in
thousand
oaks
before
worked
mostly
on
the
west
side
of
county,
but
very
very
excited
to
be
here
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
E
I
know
everyone
over
the
course
of
the
weeks
ahead.
We'll
have
a
great
opportunity
to
to
get
to
know
chief
paris,
and
we
welcome
him
here
to
our
our
city
team
thanks.
So
much.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
and
next
up
we
have
the
community
commitment
award.
So
once
again,
I'm
so
pleased
to
be
able
to
introduce
everyone
to
the
sixth
recipient
of
our
monthly
community
commitment
award,
and
this
month
is
kathy.
Nass
kathy
nass
has
volunteered
with
harbor
house
for
the
past
three
years,
and
even
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
she
continued
her
invaluable
volunteer
work
kathy
serves
harbor
house's
daily
meal
program.
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B
Hi,
my
name
is
claudia
bill
de
la
pena,
and
I
am
the
mayor
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
I
am
here
today
with
the
community
commitment
award
recipient
for
the
month
of
june.
Her
name
is
kathy.
Nass
and
she's
been
a
volunteer
for
several
years
for
harbor
house.
Congratulations
kathy!
This
is
a
certificate
of
recognition
for
you
from
the
city,
and
here
is
your
award.
B
Thank
you
so
much
you
were
nominated
by
the
executive
director
and
the
operations
manager
of
harbor
house,
because
you
have
been
a
phenomenal
volunteer
for
several
years
for
the
homeless
population,
our
most
vulnerable
population,
you
volunteered
throughout
the
pandemic,
especially
with
no
regard
to
your
own
health.
You
were
there
for
when
the
homeless
people
needed
you,
why?
You
know
a
lot
of
our
clients
really
rely
on
this
food.
You
know
this
might
be
the.
D
Only
meal
they
eat
during
the
day.
This
might
be.
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B
Businesses,
houses
of
worship,
boy
scout
and
girl,
scout
troops
and
the
individuals
and
families
that
every
day
are
you
know,
bringing
the
food
for
us
to
pack
the
lunches
and
provide,
so
that
has
made
a
really
lasting
impression
on
me.
That
is
just
impressive
that
so
many
people,
so
many
members
of
our
community
want
to
help
so
much.
It's
amazing.
B
Thank
you.
So
much
kathy.
Congratulations
again
on
being
this
month's
recipient
of
the
community
commitment
award.
This
is
where
we
highlight
people
in
our
community
that
are
shining
a
bright
light
after
one
year
of
darkness,
with
the
pandemic
that
we
have
been
dealing
with
and
so
you're
one
of
those
bright
lights
in
our
community.
Thank
you
for
everything
that
you're
doing.
Thank
you
for
having
a
heart
filled
with
gratitude,
appreciation,
kindness
and
generosity.
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B
And
thank
you
to
harbor
house
and
all
of
our
charities,
which
help
not
only
the
homeless
people,
but
we've
had
volunteers
from
senior
organizations
from
safe
passage
from
adelante
comunidad,
just
to
show
you
that
we
have
a
great
community
and
we
can
all
work
together
if
we
just
put
our
mind
to
it.
So
thank
you
again,
all
right.
We
I
want
to
go
to
public
comments,
but
I
also.
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B
Oh
yeah,
okay,
I
was
just
going
to
mention
really
quickly
about
how
our
community
speaking
about
community
our
high
schools,
have
wonderful
wonderful
athletes
and
I
hope
that
one
of
these
days
we
will
be
able
to
honor
them
in
person.
Here.
The
thousand
oaks
lancers
baseball
team
just
won
a
major
major
major
title
and
we
had
the
west
lake
high
school
girls,
basketball
win
a
major
title:
we
have
nico
young,
the
fastest
runner
and
a
graduate
from
newberry
park,
high
school
just
being
part
of
the
olympic
trials.
B
I
Thanks
for
bringing
that
up
mayor,
in
fact,
I
was
going
to
mention
the
same
thing:
that
west
lake
high
girls,
basketball
team
won
the
division
first
time
in
26
years,
fantastic
record,
congratulations
to
josh
budd,
the
coach
of
the
team
and,
as
you
mentioned,
the
t.o
lancers,
probably
the
best
baseball
team
in
the
history
of
thousand
oaks.
If
not
the
ventura
county,
an
incredible
record,
31
consecutive
victories
in
a
row.
Congratulations
to
coach
jack
wilson.
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They
won
the
division
title
as
well,
so
speaking
of
champions
kathy's
a
champion,
and
so
are
all
these
kids
that
participate
in
these
two
teams.
Let's
give
them
a
big
hand.
B
C
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
items
on
the
agenda
or
on
a
subject
within
the
city's
jurisdiction.
Speakers
for
public
hearing
items
shall
be
called
and
heard
during
the
public
hearing.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
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Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
Three
individuals
have
presented
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes
and
the
display
turns
yellow
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
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J
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D
One
of
the
shelters
that
I
saw
was
also
part
of
the
rain
project,
and
it
was
next
to
the
ventura
harbor
and
it's
just
this
area
where
I
think
they
had
tents
and
they
had
some
porta
parties
and
people
could
stay
there
for
a
while,
and
I
would
have
never
advocated
for
that
type
of
homeless,
shelter
here
in
thousand
oaks.
But
right
now
that
we
have
people
already
kind
of
tenting
on
a
regular
basis
by
the
freeway
on
the
23..
D
J
J
J
D
D
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J
D
G
G
I
either
drive
back
home
or
drive
down
to
some
other
coffee
facility
down
the
street
there
on
moore
park,
road
or
down
to
ralph's
grocery
store.
I
shouldn't
have
to
keep
asking
the
city
council
to
see
that
some
relatively
simple
thing
like
this
is
done.
G
Secondly,
the
thousand
oaks
library
is
open,
only
open
from
10
to
2
o'clock
on
the
days
that
it
is
open.
It
should
stay
open
until
probably
four
o'clock.
I
always
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
get
over
there
right
away
when
it
opens
up
at
10
o'clock
and
then
the
librarians
are
telling
me
well,
you
only
have
an
hour
to
get
on
the
computer
on
the
internet.
That's
another
stupid
rule,
if
nobody's
using
the
computers
over
there,
why
shouldn't
people
be
allowed
to
use
the
computers
for
more
than
an
hour?
Thank
you.
K
Hi,
madam
mayor.
C
K
Yeah,
I'm
just
wondering
what
stage
we're
in
in
the
coping
with
the
pandemic.
I
see
that
we're
going
to
authorize
an
amount
not
to
exceed
138
000
for
future
activity
coping
with
the
pandemic
at
the
parking
lot.
The
public
parking
lot
there
and
it
seems
like
quite
a
bit
of
money
since
we're
we
seem
to
be
pretty
well
over
the
pandemic.
So
my
question
is
why.
L
Good
evening,
council,
mike
hauser,
I'm
the
transit
manager
for
the
city
and
council
member
jones
in
response
to
your
question,
keeping
in
mind
that
that
amount
that
you
quoted
is
for
expenses
that
have
already
we've
already
paid
for
the
last
nine
months
under
this
program.
So
this
is
actually
an
amendment
to
extend
it
potentially
up
to
an
additional
six
months,
as
you
know,
we're
still
in
a
period
of
uncertainty
and
having
the
ambassador
in
the
lobby
of
the
transportation
center,
even
though
masks
are
not
required
at
this
moment
in
time.
L
We
still
want
to
encourage
that
those
ambassadors
also
provide
sanitation
supplies
to
people
that
request
them,
and
they
also
provide
an
element
of
information
to
those
people
that
are
using
public
transit
and
we're
seeing
quite
a
few
people
from
out
of
the
area
that
have
questions,
certainly
we're
going
to
monitor
the
situation
and
if
it
we
deem
it
necessary
or
prudent
to
go
ahead
and
counsel.
This
cancel
the
services
that
are
being
provided
earlier
than
what
the
contract,
the
six-month
extension
is
requesting.
L
L
K
L
No
to
be
clear,
council
member,
this
person
is
actually
stationed
within
the
lobby
and
they're,
providing
direct
assistance
to
each
and
every
single
patron
that
enters
and
exits.
The
lobby,
so
they're
they're,
having
literally
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
interactions
with
potential
riders
and
customers
on
a
weekly
basis,
in
addition
to
supplying
a
necessary
face
mask
for
those
people
that
want
them
hand,
sanitizers
and
they're,
also
wiping
down
the
high
contact
areas.
This
is
a
preventative
measure
and
a
best
practice
in
our
industry.
Right
now
was.
K
Do
you
relax
it
a
little
bit
in
the
summer
when
it's
less
likely
that
this
is
going
to
spread
and
maybe
bring
it
to
a
higher
level
when
the
weather
gets
cold
and.
L
We
can
certainly
we
can
certainly
monitor
that
right
now.
That
person
is
there
for
approximately
90
percent
of
the
hours.
The
building
is
physically
open
to
the
public
and
of
course
our
our
peak
times
are
first
thing
in
the
morning
and
late
in
the
afternoon.
So
there
may
be
some
ways
that
we
can
look
at
perhaps
curtailing
that
service.
Midday.
K
B
M
Mr
houser,
I'm
trying
to
give
you
your
exercise
for
the
day
for
those
in
the
audience
he's
walking
up
and
down
the
stairs
quite
nicely.
So
the
clarification
is
that
mr
jones
pointed
out.
This
service
did
not
exist
before
the
pandemic.
It's
there
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
paid
for
by
pandemic
funds.
However,
this
obviously
pandemic
is
basically
relinquishing,
which
is
nice
very
excited
about
that
concept.
At
what
point
do
you
anticipate
that
that
service
will
no
longer
be
needed.
L
L
Yes,
sir,
we
will
and
we'll
look
at
that-
and
we
will
wind
down
this
program
either
with
a
full
partial
reduction
in
hours
or
full
cancellation
of
the
program
when
we
feel
that
it's
prudent
or
appropriate
to
do
so.
M
C
B
N
N
First
off
I'd
like
to
thank
you
mayor
bill
de
la
pena
and
mayor
pro
tim
engler,
for
just
all
of
your
work
and
efforts
over
this
past
year
and
and
then
some
you
know
from
going
on
right,
alongs,
with
law
enforcement
to
meeting
persons
experiencing
homelessness
in
the
field
to
all
of
the
multiple
phone
calls
and
discussions
we've
had.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
efforts
and
commitment.
N
N
These
are
five
components
of
a
homeless
crisis
response
system
and
the
goal
of
a
crisis
response
system
is
to
make
homelessness.
Rare
brief
and
non-recurring
an
effective
response
system
identifies
and
quickly
connects
people
who
are
experiencing
or
at
risk
of
experiencing
homelessness
to
housing,
assistance
and
other
each
component
can
include
the
participation
of
one
or
more
agencies,
organizations
or
institutions
as
the
local
convener.
The
city
works
with
multiple
agencies
and
organizations
in
addressing
homelessness,
and
there
are
some
gaps
currently
in
our
response
system
that
I
will
touch
upon
later
in
the
presentation.
N
N
N
These
are
some
of
the
accomplishments
if
you
will
or
actions
of
the
city
and
in
response
to
those
areas
of
focus
and
with
regards
to
the
regional
approach,
the
city
council
approved
an
mou
with
the
county
of
ventura.
The
mou
called
for
a
joint
commitment
to
address
homelessness
through
actions
such
as
participation
in
the
coordinated
entry
system,
development
of
a
crisis
response
system
which
includes
emergency
housing,
resources
and
also
the
pursuit
of
permanent
housing
units.
N
Additionally,
the
council
has
awarded
over
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
non-profits
for
homeless
services
and
after
the
boise
ruling,
the
city
council
updated
the
municipal
code
or
approved
the
update
to
the
municipal
code
to
distinguish
between
sleeping
versus
camping
we've
also
staffed
from
public
works,
community
development
and
the
city
manager's
office.
We
have
participated
in
several
meetings
and
plans
to
address
our
growing
encampments
and
since
2018,
you've
also
approved
over
150
units
of
affordable
housing
through
the
pre-screening
process.
N
The
point
in
time
count
is
a
federal
mandate
that
is
used
to
allocate
state
funding
and
for
homeless
and
housing
resources
by
hud's
definition.
The
count
includes
persons
who
are
an
emergency
shelter
in
a
motel
paid
for
by
a
program
living
in
transitional
housing
or
persons
living
in
spaces,
not
meant
for
human
habitation.
N
This
is
the
data
from
the
point
in
time
count
that
was
conducted
in
2020
for
2021.
We
did
not
have
the
annual
point
in
time
count
to
count
the
unsheltered,
and
that
was
because
of
the
risk
that
kovit
presented
to
our
volunteers
and
others
who
assist
with
that
account
who
assist
with
the
count.
But
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
sense
of
where
we
are
just
county-wide,
as
well
as
locally
in
2020,
there
were
1743
homeless,
adults
and
children
living
in
ventura
county.
N
You
can
see
that
the
age
of
our
homeless
population
is
distributed
pretty
evenly
and
then
to
the
right.
There
you'll
see
other
subpopulation
data
and
just
to
be
clear
on
this.
This
is
data
that
is
self-reported
by
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
and
they
can
self-report
on
multiple
on
all
of
these
one
or
more
and
so
for
the
second
year
in
a
row.
N
Persons
experiencing
homelessness
for
the
first
time
is
one
of
the
the
highest
that
we've
we've
seen
so
this
year,
36
percent
of
of
or
in
2020
36
percent
of
individuals
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness.
N
So
I
want
to
take
a
moment
you
know,
claudia
or
the
mayor.
I
apologize
mayor
bill
de
la
pena
mentioned
that
we
have
deputy
deputies
in
our
audience
today,
and
so
I
certainly
want
to
thank
deputy
richter
and
cordova.
They
are
our
vulnerable
population
officers.
They
practically
know
every
homeless
person
by
first
name
by
their
first
name.
N
They
collaborate
with
our
service
providers.
They
do
have.
You
know
they
there's
direct
enforcement
when
needed,
but,
as
you
can
see
there,
the
image,
based
on
the
number
of
average
contacts
that
they
have
per
month,
there's
an
average
of
18
arrests
per
month
or
only
five
percent
of
those
contacts
are
arrests.
N
N
N
N
N
And
then,
lastly,
with
regards
to
understanding
how
the
number
of
homeless
and
on
this
slide
would
be
in
ventura
county,
but
the
ventura
county
office
of
education,
they
also
under
federal
statutes,
track
homelessness
and
they
report
about
6
36
students
that
are
at
risk
of
homelessness
and
11
percent
of
those
students
meet
the
hud
definition
of
homelessness,
which
was
covered
in
the
previous
slide.
N
N
62
of
those
surveyed
also
indicated
that
creating
a
temporary
homeless,
shelter
and
thousand
oaks
that
they
would
support
and
59
of
those
surveyed
indicated
that
providing
permanent
housing
with
supportive
services
for
homeless
and
thousands
needed.
N
Another
challenge
we're
facing
is
are
the
short
periods
of
stay
after
an
arrest
oftentimes.
When
a
homeless
person
is
arrested,
they
may
not
stay
in
custody
for
very
long,
quite
often
they're
in
custody
for
a
few
hours
and
then
released,
and
then
they
returned
to
the
same
place
where
they
were
arrested,
and
so
when
the
courts
are
not
prosecuting
issuing
fines
or
giving
probation.
This
does
present
a
challenge,
and
you
know,
as
you'll
hear
from
our
officers,
the
the
lack
of
accountability
or
the
fear
of
any
accountability
sometimes
presents
a
challenge.
N
N
So
our
opportunities
and
in
alignment
with
your
adopted
priorities
for
the
next
fiscal
year,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
pursue
temporary
shelter
and
permanent
supportive
housing
and
other
opportunities.
We
can
continue
to
support
our
our
city,
grant
program,
cdbg,
ssef
and
providing
dollars
to
nonprofit
organizations
to
to
serve
our
unhoused
population
and
also
pursuing
federal
state
and
county
funding.
N
So
to
that
in
in
order
to
prepare
for
state
funding
that
will
be
released
later
this
summer
and
in
alignment
with
council's
priority
to
identify
and
advance
solutions
for
temporary
and
permanent
housing,
we
are
releasing
an
rfq
on
thursday
for
a
developer
owner
operator.
We
are
seeking
a
qualified
developer
to
as
a
partnership
or
I'm
sorry.
N
Lastly,
one
of
the
discussions
that
we've
had
with
the
the
ad
hoc
committee
is
creating
a
five-year
homelessness
plan
for
the
city,
and
this
would
be
an
alignment
with
the
county's
greater
homelessness
plan.
But
the
purpose
of
that
would
be
to
provide
council.
N
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Again.
We
have
our
vulnerable
population
officers
here
in
the
audience
tonight
that
are
available
to
answer
questions
and
we
also
have
tara,
carruth
who's
representing
the
county
and
the
continuum
of
care
who
is
available
to
answer
questions
along
with
myself.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
present
this
evening.
Thank.
B
M
M
Do
we
have
the
ability
to
encourage
them
to
get
that
mental
health
care,
whether
it
be
counseling
and
or
medications
to
help
them
be
stable
and
more
functional
and
or
drug
rehab
to
get
them
off
of
whatever
drug
addictions?
They
have?
What
is
the
state
and
what's
the
court
rulings
at
this
point
regarding
intervention
to
help
these
this
population.
O
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what
we
do
is
we
work
with
ventura
county
behavioral
health
and
have
them
assist
us
with
getting
them
into
those
those
type
of
environments.
So
good
case
management
generally
helps
out
a
lot
and
that's
what
we
try
to
push
on.
You
know
not
as
much
as
push
but
recommend
when
we
are
dealing
with
a
person,
that's
mentally
ill.
M
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
they
are
given
the
opportunity
to
go
into
these
homeless
shelters,
not
compelled
to
relinquish
any
of
their
drugs
they're,
currently
using
necessarily
not
get
into
drug
rehab
to
help
them
fight
whatever
addiction
they
have
that
put
them
on
the
street
and
keeps
them
on
the
street
that
compels
them
to
do
perhaps
crime
to
get
money
to
obtain
the
drugs
that
we
cannot
compel
them
to
do
in
a
homeless
shelter.
However,
if
they
were
in
county
facility,
they
would
not
have
access
to
heroin
crystal
meth.
M
Sounds
great,
the
the
challenge
that
I
have
is
that
the
the
population,
that
of
folks
that
are
suffering
with
mental
illness,
oftentimes
they're
unstable
and
they
they
are
in
a
bad
place,
and
yet
many
of
them
who
I
meet
after
they
get
stable
with
medication
and
counseling
they
wind
up,
saying.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
feel
so
much
better.
I
now
can
reunite
with
my
family,
but
yet
we
as
a
state
as
a
city
as
a
county
can't
intervene.
Is
that
a
correct
statement,
if
they're
not
willing
to
accept
that
medication
or
help.
O
Yes,
they
have
to
want
to
have
the
assistance,
and,
but
you
are
right
whenever
they
do
accept
that
assistance.
It
is
a
great
feeling
to
know
that
we
were
part
of
that.
M
Now,
when
I
speak
to
mental
health
therapists,
they
tell
me
that
we
have
what
I
would
call
the
catch-22
cycle:
for
example
the
schizophrenic
population
that
the
folks
that
are
suffering
with
that
they
will
get
themselves
into
free,
counseling,
free
medication.
The
counselor
gets
them
stable,
gets
them
into
a
job.
M
They
now
are
able
to
get
into
an
apartment
and
some
sort
of
stable
housing.
But
the
way
the
law
is
written.
As
I
understand
it,
communicated
to
me
by
these
mental
health
therapists
is
that
once
they
get
to
a
certain
income
level
or
certain
savings
level
in
their
bank
account,
they
lose
the
free
counseling,
the
free
medication,
but
don't
make
enough
to
afford
that
counseling
and
medication
that
keeps
them
stable
in
a
job
in
an
apartment
off
the
street.
M
N
If
I
sorry,
since
the
council,
member
mcnamee,
we
do
have
tara
carruth
in
the
audience.
Also
who
works
with
the
county
and
may
be
able
to
speak
to
you
know
mental
health
services
that
are
provided
by
the
county.
N
My
understanding
is
that
those
those
situations
are
individual
with
respect
to
the
the
laws
or
circumstances
surrounding
that.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
that
you
would
that
she
would
want.
Please
come
on
down
and
join.
P
So
it
is
very
individualized
as
far
as
what
people's
income
they're
obtaining
and
what
they
are
eligible
for.
However,
there
are
other
programs
aside,
medi-cal
or
medicaid
is
for
an
individual.
I
think
the
eligibility
is
around
seventeen
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
a
year,
so
if
you're
over
that
you're
either
going
to
have
co-pays
or
get
enrolled
in
other
health
insurance,
whether
through
your
employer
or
through
covered
california
or
other
resources.
P
M
So
I
need
to
drill
down
on
this
and
communicate
with
you
at
a
later
date
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
those
programs
are,
as
well
as
the
mental
health
therapists
to
find
out
where
the
gap
is
because
I
believe
the
mental
health
therapists
are
telling
me
the
correct
observations
and
I
believe
what
you're
telling
me
is
correct
on
the
assumption
that
that
this
is
available
to
them.
So
there's
a
disconnect.
I
think
in
here
when
they're
a
revolving
door
of
them
going
in
and
out
of
therapy.
P
M
Again,
part
of
this
is
any
problem
solving
you
have
to
address
the
underlying
cause,
then,
okay,
how
do
we
fix
it
and,
as
you
say,
it
may
be
as
federal.
It
may
be
a
state
issue,
but
it
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
these
are
people
who
need
our
help
and
I'd
like
to
get
them
into
a
purposeful
life,
and
we
need
to
address
some
of
these
problems
that
exist
to
get
them
to
that
goal.
M
That's
why
I'm
asking
these
questions
now
that
I
have
you
here
to
the
officers
I've
heard
from
some
other
officers
that
have
made
a
comment
that
sometimes
the
people
have
all
their
belongings
in
a
golf
cart
or
a
or
a
bag,
or
a
shopping,
cart
or
whatever,
and
they
don't
want
to
go
into
a
facility
for
fear
of
losing
their
possessions
and
therefore
they
don't
get
their
medication
their
counseling.
For
that
reason,
I've
heard
stories
of
officers
standing
out
in
front
guarding
their
possessions
with
the
assurances
go
in
get
your
care
come
out.
M
The
cart
will
be
here
because
I'm
guarding
it
in
that
case,
is
there
any
way
in
which
on
a
county
level
or
whatever's
options
are
available.
I
would
call
it
con
counseling
under
the
stars,
counseling
under
the
trees,
where
we
have
the
internet,
where
we're
able
to
communicate
and
keep
records
on
on
the
cloud
and
counselors
with
the
law
enforcement
standing
by
go
and
meet
them
actually
in
the
field
under
the
trees
and
provide
the
medications
and
the
counseling.
M
P
Well
yeah,
so
there
are
outreach
services
throughout
the
county
through
with
partnerships
with
behavioral
health
and
law
enforcement
through
the
county's
one
stop
program,
which
is
the
health
care
for
the
homeless
program,
backpack
medicine,
where
they
are
going
out
into
the
field
with
crisis,
mental
health
and
addiction
specialists,
and
then
our
non-profit
agencies
are
also
doing
outreach
and
partnership
with
law
enforcement.
P
M
M
Okay,
great,
that's
all
the
questions
I
have.
This
is
a
challenging
challenging
issue
ingrid
and
I
had
a
wonderful
lunch
and
I
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
more
and
I
want
to
drill
down
and
learn
more
about
this
with
you
and
what
services
are
available
to
help
address
this
issue.
There
may
be
an
answer
there
may
not
be,
but
at
least
I'll
give
it
a
try.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
thanks
for
being
here
tonight,
give
us
some
good
answers.
The
work
you're
doing
with
behavioral
health
is
important,
and
my
colleague
here
touched
on
a
little
bit.
Is
there
more
that
we
can
do
in
that
realm?
You
know
if
it's
a
matter
of
being
there
on
weekends?
Is
that
something
that
can
be
addressed.
E
I
believe,
as
far
as
changing
our
hours,
we
generally
from
seven
to
five
when
we're
doing
our
outreach,
we're
able
to
meet
with
everyone
that
we're
we
know
is
willing
to
get
help.
E
Unfortunately,
right
now
when
we
might
find
somebody
that
is
willing
to
go
to
a
treatment
or
go
into
rehab,
a
bed
may
not
be
available
for
them.
It's
kind
of
a
first
come
first
serve
basis,
and
then,
when
a
bed
is
available,
maybe
a
day
or
two
later
they're,
not
in
that
mindset
to
want
to
take
the
help.
E
D
Address
that
real,
quick
just
so
everyone's
aware,
almost
all
of
our
deputies
are,
are
trained
in
crisis
intervention
techniques.
So
you
see
the
two
experts
here
right
that
like
have
all
the
connections
and
all
the
details
on
all
the
little
caveats
on
how
to
get
stuff
done,
but
all
of
our
deputies
have
some
level
of
expertise
in
this,
so
even
though
they
may
not
be
working,
the
deputies
that
are
contacting
them
know
what
to
do,
and
then
the
referrals
end
up
back
with
them,
so
they
can
follow
up
later.
D
So,
even
though
you
may
see
that
there's
gaps
in
time,
the
obviously
they
can't
be
working,
24
7.,
all
the
other
deputies,
have
a
role
in
this
too.
It's
not
just
on
these
two.
These
two
are
just
happen
to
be
like
the
experts
to
make
sure
all
the
you
know
the
t's
are
crossed
and
the
eyes
are
dotted.
So
if
that
helps.
Q
Thank
you
yeah.
It's
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
point
to
with
pride
that
the
city
does
is
have
both
of
our
officers,
our
vulnerable
population
officers
out
there
on
a
daily
basis
and
the
good
work
they're
doing
is
my
question,
I
think,
is:
if
you
could
point
to
maybe
one
or
two
things,
what
would
be
as
helpful
as
possible
to
start
addressing
more
of
this
issue
because
we're
already
addressing
the
issue,
but
what
would
be
a
something
that
would
be
of
more
assistance
to
you?
Q
Is
it
the
lack
of
available
beds?
Is
it
the
follow-up,
wrap
around
services
issues.
O
O
I
would
love
to
see
you
know
something
that
effect
where,
where,
if
they,
if
they
work
with
us,
they
go
out
and
contact
getting
them
to
appointments,
getting
medicated,
giving
the
assistance
they
need,
and
eventually
you
know,
get
them
into
the
wrap-around
services
and
and
everything
that
they
they
would
require.
From
that
point
on,
it
would
be
really
beneficial.
Q
N
So
there's
there
is
that
constant
connection
and
service
being
provided.
Thank
you
as
much.
E
As
possible
and
to
that
to
that
end,
just
to
add
to
it-
and
perhaps
mr
can
to
speak
to
it-
you
saw
it
in
ingrid's
presentation,
but
the
coordinated
entry
system
has
probably
been
one
of
the
biggest
transformations
that
we've
seen
in
recent
years
here,
where
we
have
a
fabric
of
great
nonprofits
across
the
county,
but
not
having
one
overarching
system
where,
if
you
have
a
contact
in
ventura
on
one
day
and
thousand
oaks
later
in
that
week,
now
there's
a
backbone
system
that
allows
you
to
understand
where
those
contacts
are
happening
and
that
that
has
been
and
to
receive
funding.
E
B
Thank
you,
council,
member
adam.
Please.
I
Thank
you
mayor.
First,
I
want
to
thank
josh
and
juan
for
the
great
job
you
do
out
there.
I've
been
out
touring
with
you
and
it's
not
an
easy
job,
many
times
you're
dealing
with
unstable
people,
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
patience
and
understanding,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
two
guys
are
out
there.
I
have
a
concern
and
I
think
it's
a
concern
I
hear
most
often
in
the
city
is
about
the
encampments.
I
Needless
to
say,
for
those
of
you
who
read
the
media,
some
of
the
encampments
in
other
cities
have
grown
completely
out
of
control
here
in
thousand
oaks.
They
have
grown,
but
I
wouldn't
say
they're
out
of
control,
they're
being
managed,
but
they
are
growing,
and
I
guess
I
have
a
quick
question
f
for
miss
noonan.
If
I
may,
how
do
we
just-
and
I
understand
the
boise
ruling-
you
can't
criminalize
sleeping?
I
S
Well,
per
our
ordinance
sleeping
is
again
there's
mate.
You
might
have
some
rudimentary
bedding,
such
as
pillows
sleeping
bag.
S
That's
considered
sleeping,
but
camping,
as
defined
in
our
ordinance,
will
include
such
items,
maybe
as
a
camping,
stove
or
a
tent
or
other
other
personal
items
where
it's
not
just
a
person
who
is
sleeping
but
there's
actually
taking
up
residence
almost
or
camping,
on
property,
and-
and
one
thing
I
also
want
to
mention-
is
that
although
the
boise
case
prohibits
sleep
and
prohibits
the
city
from
prohibiting
sleeping,
if
we
don't
have
an
emergency
shelter,
one
one
thing
that
we
did
do
is
because
of
our
concerns
over
wildfire
and
environmental
impacts
to
our
open
spaces.
S
We
also
prohibit
sleeping
in
our
open
space,
so
you
cannot
camp
anywhere
in
the
city.
You
cannot
sleep
in
the
open
space,
but
you
can
sleep
on
public
property
in
the
city
outside.
S
I
Okay
and
yet,
even
with
that
in
mind,
we
still
have
encampments,
and
you
know
it's
just
a
fact
of
life,
not
a
particularly
good
fact
of
life,
but
it
is,
and
so
my
question
to
the
two
deputies
would
be
this.
I
You
know
these
folks
out
there.
You
know
some
of
them
by
first
name
basis.
You
see
them
all
the
time.
Ultimately,
if,
if
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
goes
through
and
we're
able
to
bring
in
a
third
party
and
hopefully
find
a
shelter
that
offers
emergency
sheltering
and
permanent
supportive
housing,
will
these
people
and
these
encampments
be
able
to
be
moved
into
a
situation
like
that?
Are
they
going
to
be
amenable
to
that?
Will
you
be
able
to
coax
them
out
of
their
tents
and
into
a
more
manageable
situation?.
E
From
the
feedback
that
I
get
when
I
do
go
to
the
encampments
and
ask
them,
what
can
I
do
to
get
you
out
of
this
situation?
The
general
feedback
is
housing.
That's
just
what
I
need.
I
have
encountered
very
few
people
that
tell
me
they
just
like
sleeping
outdoors
and
that's
their
lifestyle
and
I'm
not
going
to
change
that.
So
to
answer
your
question,
I
I
do
believe
we
would
get
some
good
buy-in
from
the
the
people
in
the
campus
to
go
into
some
type
of
short-term
long-term
housing.
If
it's
available.
I
Okay,
because
I
I've
read
anecdotal
stories
where
there's
some
folks,
that,
for
whatever
reason
want
to
stay
out
there,
and
but
I
I
take
it
from
what
you're
saying
that
would
be
the
minority.
I
E
No,
we
do
blend
enforcement
with
outreach,
so
the
people
that
are
standing
in
the
encampments,
where
I
know
that
they're,
possibly
on
probation
or
something
from
the
court,
ordered
we
will
go
into
their
encampment,
offer
outreach
and
also
also
do
direct
enforcement.
If
there's
any
violations
of
law
that
they're
committing
also
with.
E
O
Yes,
and
and
getting
back
to
the
cleanliness
and
things
of
that
nature,
we
have
worked
with
volunteer
services
who
have
gone
through.
Some
of
these
encampments
done
clean
up,
we
work
hand
in
hand
with
caltrans
watershed,
district
and
all
the
county
and
and
other
entities
who
want
to
come
in
and
assist,
and
we
make
arrangements
and
we'll
take
days
where
we'll
come
through
and
we'll
we'll
do.
I
S
Councilman
ryan-
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
to
your
questions
on
encampment
is,
although
the
boise
case
does
significantly
restrict
the
city's
ability
to
to
regulate
the
locations
of
where
a
person
may
sleep
covett
actually
made
it
that
much
worse,
because
after
covid
came
into
bean,
cdc
actually
passed
regulations
that
prohibited
the
removal
of
encampments
because
of
the
concern
over
transfer
of
of
the
covid.
So
it's
been
kind
of
a
double
a
double
whammy
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
S
You
have
a
significant
housing
shortage
to
begin
with,
and
then
you
have
covid
that
prohibit.
You
know,
there's
just
all
of
these
things
that
add
up
to
making
it
very
restrictive
on
what
a
city
can
and
cannot
do.
I
B
This
encampment
that
was
referenced
along
the
23
freeway
is
on
caltrans
property
and
it
was
cleared
by
caltrans
on
may
12th,
but
it
was
said
that
caltrans
nowhere
in
california
will
they
be
removing
homeless
people.
They
will
stay
there.
So
what
you
were
seeing
along
the
23
freeway
is
that
it
was
cleaned
up
slightly,
but
again,
caltrans
will
not
be
removing
property,
or
these
encampments
and
the
biggest
encampments
are
on
state
property
and
when
they
go
through
and
clean
up
like
they
did
by
the
oaks
mall.
B
That
was
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cost
to
remove
that
that
was
pre-pandemic,
so
the
the
biggest
encampments
are
not
on
city
property
or
not
on
county
property.
They're
on
state
property
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
mr
mcnamee
had
another
question
and
then
again
mayor
partem,
engler.
M
O
When
we
enter
this
state
property,
if,
if
there
are
any
crimes
that
are
being
committed
like
the
the
illegal
camping
things
of
that
nature,
that
is
a
they
are
the
victims
and
because
nobody's
being
moved
their
their
gun
shy
on
doing
anything
about.
At
that
point,
we
go
on
to
the
property
basically
to
to
provide
outreach
services.
We
bring
people
out
there
that
are
able
to
see,
and
we
we
go
out
to
ss
if
there's
any
hazards
or
anything
that
we
can
do
and
and
arrange
for
any
cleanup.
O
M
I
found
the
homeless
I've
just
talked
to.
They
tend
to
be
rather
tight-lipped
and
silent
as
to
the
crimes
that
are
taking
place.
Those
that
have
shared
with
me
tell
me
about
how
the
women
are
prostituted
out,
how
they're
raped
the
one
with
the
loudest
voice.
The
biggest
fists
is
the
one
actually
is
the
law
within
that
encampment
and
you
guys
are
irrelevant
as
far
as
they're
concerned.
M
And
yes,
I
know
when
I
understand
that,
if
shelter
is
not
provided,
if
we
break
up
an
encampment,
all
they
do
is
move
to
another
area
of
the
city,
and
the
best
way
I
can
describe
the
homeless
situation
is
that
you've
got
two
types.
One
is
a
person
with
a
skill,
a
trade
who's
down
on
their
luck
out
of
a
job
sleeping
from
couch
to
couch
or
maybe
sleeping
in
their
vehicle.
M
They'll
be
okay,
eventually,
they'll
get
their
jobs
back
and
and
be
able
to
make
a
living
and
get
a
shelter.
But
it's
the
other
population
that
doesn't
have
a
trade
they're
mentally
challenged.
They've
got
mental
illness
they've
drug
addicted.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we're
talking
about
at
this
point
now.
If
they
go
into
temporary
shelters
or
permanent
shelters,
are
you
as
law
enforcement
able
to
make
certain
they
don't
bring
in
their
crystal
meth
their
heroin,
their
drugs
needles
and
so
forth
into
the
shelters?
Or
is
that
prohibited
by
law
with
the
boise.
O
Now
the
the
shelters
have
their
own
rules
in
place
when
it
deal
deals
with
those
type
of
situations
they
they
have
a
right
to
refuse
somebody
who
is
who's,
obviously,
under
the
influence,
if
they're
bringing
things
in,
I'm
not
the
person
that
to
ask
that
question,
but
the
you
know
harbor
house
oversees
the
winter
warming
shelter
and
they
have
been
known
to
to
have
turned
people
away
that
are
coming
in
under
those
conditions.
So.
M
Our
county
representative,
I
got
a
question
for
you
that
again
and
so
probably
again
it
overlaps,
as
most
people
are
seeing
here
between
county
law
enforcement,
state
and
so
forth.
M
What
control
do
we
have
over
them
to
be
in
those
shelters,
number
one
and
number
two
not
to
provide
and
or
take
in
any
drugs
or
any
weapons
or
anything
of
that
nature,
and
if
they
leave,
are
we
able
to
then
bring
them
over
to
county
jail
and
say:
okay,
we're
done.
We
gave
you
an
opportunity
here,
you're
now
in
county
jail,
definitely
no
drugs
and
no
weapons
in
in
the
county
jail.
What
are
what
are
legal
options,
given
the
rulings
that
have
gone
down.
P
So
I
can
talk
to
you
about
what
the
policies
of
shelters
are
and
some
of
the
funding
restrictions,
but
I
can't
speak
to
the
legal
ramifications
of
then
taking
someone
to
jail.
So
the
california
follows
it's
a
state
law
that
funding.
We
follow
a
housing
first
approach,
so
that's
low
barrier,
meaning
we're
not
requiring
sobriety,
we're
not
requiring
people
to
we're,
not
coercing
people
to
take
medication
prior
to
entry,
now,
behaviors
and
and
within
a
shelter
program.
M
Let
me
ask
the
the
chief
here
chief:
can
I
ask
you
the
question
then
two.
B
M
Chief,
this
is
very
important
stuff
for
the
help
for
the
homeless
and
I'm
very
passionate
about
it,
because
I
see
him
in
my
practice
and
I've
worked
with
them
on
the
street
and
in
the
free
clinic.
This
is
why
I'm
drilling
down
on
these
questions,
because
I'd
like
to
get
some
solutions
here
for
a
thousand
oaks,
so
everyone
in
the
audience
is
clear
that
this
is
a
passion
for
me.
M
D
Kind
of
law
violated,
so
there's
really
there's
really
two
things
with
the
shelter
right.
When
we
talk
about
low
barrier
or
we're
not
requiring
a
lot
to
get
in.
That's
that's
something
that
allows
us
to
get
more
people
in
and
have
more
ability
to
enforce,
camping
ordinances.
M
Okay,
thank
you
and
ms
hardy.
My
apologies
previously
calling
you
ingrid,
but
I
I
we
earn
a
formal
level
outside
of
the
council.
My
apologies
ms
hardy.
We,
if
we
as
a
city,
set
up
these
temporary
shelters
to
provide
some
services
for
them.
Will
they
be
receiving
some
sort
of
skill,
training,
vocational
rehabilitation
to
get
and
become
independent
and
find
purpose
in
life,
or
is
it
just
simply
housing
that
they
are
going
to
be
in
to
get
them
off
the
street?
What
what
is
the
design
of
what
we're
asking.
N
So,
typically,
what
you'll
find
in
a
shelter
is
on-site
case
management
services.
So,
if
someone's
coming
in
and
they
require,
you
know
mental
health
services,
they
get
connected
to
county
behavior
health
that
they
require.
You
know
addiction,
related
services,
they're,
connecting
people
to
those
types
of
services
for
individuals
that
you
know
are
not
disabled
and
maybe
just
unemployed
or
they're.
Looking
for
employment,
then
you
can
also
connect
those
individuals
to
to
those
services
to
help
them
find
gainful
employment.
N
You
know
whether
it's
going
back
to
school
or
finding
some
other
trade
it
can
be
set
up
in
a
way
that
you
know
we
can
collectively
agree
that
is
what's
needed,
but
there
there
are
models
out
there,
there's
best
practices
out
there
and
those
backs.
Those
best
practices
are
too
much
like
what
tara
mentioned.
Is
the
housing
first
to
get
them
in
housing
to
get
them
stabilized
and
then
to
do
an
assessment
and
identify
what
exactly
they
need
to
help
them
become?
You
know
self-sufficient,
not
everyone
can
become
self-sufficient.
N
M
N
Well,
I
you
know,
I
guess
that's
going
to
be
an
individual
situation,
you
know
for
anyone,
that's
receiving
disability
benefits
or
some
other
form
of
income.
You
you
know.
Most
people
do
pay
some
portion
of
rent,
there's
housing
vouchers.
There's
other
ways
to
you
know
pay
for
for
their
rent.
So
this.
M
B
K
K
Talking
about
the
problem
and
a
lot
of
people
are
rather
I'm
sorry
to
say,
disgusted
with
the
matter,
and
I
wish
they
would
be
a
little
more
tolerant
if
any
of
them
happen
to
be
watching
tonight.
I
hope
they
have
appreciated
and
profited
by
what
my
fellow
council
members
have
brought
out
in
terms
of
this
discussion,
because
I
think
it's
a
genuine
social
problem
that
we
all
need
to
work
on
and
we
should
be
sympathetic.
K
I
believe-
and
you
know
try
to
be
understanding
if
possible,
has
the
pandemic
had
any
effect
on
the
numbers
of
homeless
that
we
have
experienced.
E
I
would
say,
since
the
pandemic
started,
we've
been
seeing
more
of
an
influx
of
people
from
out
of
the
area.
We
were
able
to
house
a
good
portion
of
the
homeless
that
were
more
vulnerable
through
project
room
key
and
then
just
started
to
notice
like,
as
I
said,
just
more
people
from
out
of
the
area.
They
were
coming
up
to
thousand
oaks.
K
K
Our
contacts,
okay,
the
other
thing
that
I
hear
a
lot,
it's
sort
of
like
the
guy
that
built
the
baseball
field
in
the
movie.
You
know,
if
you
build
it,
they
will
come
and
that's
been.
One
thing
I've
heard
from
several
people
on
the
internet
is
that
we
may
be
just
encouraging
more
homeless
to
immigrate
2000
oaks,
and
I
have
no
idea
if
that's
correct
or
not,
but
what
is
there?
Is
there
an
effect
on
having
the
nicest
homeless
camp
in
the
county
to
all
to
come
here,
or
I
mean.
P
So
we
asked
those
those
questions
and
I
think
the
deputies
are
also
gathering
that
information
locally
to
thousand
oaks,
but
county-wide.
We're
seeing
that
well.
Over
90
percent
of
folks
are
have
strong
ties
to
ventura
county
or
to
the
city
that
they're
homeless
and
whether
they
become
homeless
here
or
they
became
homeless,
someplace
else
and
returned
to
what
they
believe
is
their
home
community
and.
K
P
K
P
I
think
that
the
the
part
about
the
the
city's
plan
that
is
really
helpful
is
that
there's
shelter
and
housing
as
part
of
that
plan,
because
shelter
itself
doesn't
end
homelessness,
housing
does
and
so
having
continuing
to
focus
on
both
components
is
really
critical.
Having
housing
come
after
shelter
is,
is
really
what
makes
the
shelter
successful
and
helps
reduce
homelessness
in
a
community.
K
B
Thank
you
councilmember
jones.
Just
before
we
go
back
to
mayor
partem
engler,
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things:
maybe
a
question
for
our
deputies:
the
percentage
of
homeless
persons
in
thousand
oaks
who
either
have
strong
ties
to
thousand
oaks
or
are
actually
homegrown.
What
is
that
percentage?
More
or
less.
O
Like
my
partner
said,
a
lot
do
come
in
to
the
city
and
it
could
be
because
of
the
the
free
bus
services
and
everything
that
comes
in
when
they
do
attempt
to
get
services
either
through
social
services
or
harbor
house.
A
lot
of
times,
they'll
they'll
be
advised
that
they
serve
those
from
thousand
oaks
before
anybody
else,
and
it's
pretty
short-lived
when
they're
here.
So
they
stay
and
maybe
here
for
a
couple
days,
and
then
we
don't
see
them
again.
K
B
Okay
and
then
regarding
the
the
rules,
when
you're
in
a
shelter,
I
do
know
that
project
room
key
motel
6
did
not
allow
at
all
any
anything,
no
alcohol,
nothing
at
all
and
that
you
were,
I
mean
a
few
people
were
kicked
out
because
they
went
to
the
liquor,
store
right
next
door
or
brought
something
else
in.
So
there
was
a
zero
tolerance
policy
at
the
project
room
key
at
motel
6..
B
O
I'm
not
sure
if
harbor
house
is
here,
we
have
gone
out
based
on
requests
from
backpack
medicine
and
to
see
if
people
would
be
requesting
it.
So
we
went
to
the
larger
camps
and
asked
and
there
is
a
need
for
it.
Unfortunately,
they
haven't
come
in
and
set
that
up.
I'm
not
sure
what
harbor
house's
numbers
are,
though,.
B
Okay,
I
know
they
had
they
held
two
clinics
and
they
from
what
I
heard
they
were
successful,
but
I
don't
know
the
number:
what
is
the
ethnic
makeup
of
our
local
homeless
population.
O
R
N
And
the
point
time
count,
I
believe
that
the
80
of
the
makeup
of
our
homeless
population
was
white.
I
do
not
recall
the
others,
but
I
can.
If
you
know,
if
you
give
me
a
minute,
I
can
pull
it
up
if
you,
if
you'd,
like
a
answer
to
sure
that's.
B
Always
helpful,
thank
you.
Let's
see,
and
then
you
mentioned
the
out
of
town
transient
homeless.
We
normally
try
to
get
them
back
to
where
they
came
from
with
family
and
and
so
forth.
Right,
sometimes
we
give
them
tickets
correct,
correct,
and
and
how
long
did
you
say,
do
they
stay
when,
when
they're
in
the
area.
B
Okay,
very
good,
all
right,
mayor,
protem,
engler.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
real,
quick
question,
since
something
that
council
member
adam
said
earlier,
sparked
a
question
in
my
mind,
since
we
are
looking
at
a
a
shelter
plus
a
transitional
housing
type
facility,
I'm
curious
as
to
how
successful
was
our
prod
project
room
key
and
how
successful
are
some
of
the
other
programs
within
the
county
in
in
giving
those
wrap
around
services
that
will
help
bring
people
from
the
street
back
to
the
community.
P
Yes,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
with
me
for
project
room
key,
but
I
know
in
thousand
oaks
we
have
housed
about
10
of
the
individuals
that
have
come
in
and
some
of
that
is
directly
related
to
housing
resources.
We've
had
a
lot
more
luck
in
west
county
because
we've
had
new
supportive
housing
developments
come
online
during
the
time
of
project
room
key.
We
still
have,
I
believe,
68
or
70
persons
total
that
are
placed
in
thousand
oaks.
Q
P
P
You
know
secure
for
partner
motels
and
because
of
our
coordinated
entry
system
and
our
coordination
among
all
of
our
service
providers,
we're
able
to
quickly
identify
those
eligible
persons
and
bring
them
in
and
we
did
not.
Some
other
communities
did
have
reluctance
to
come
indoors,
but
we
did
not,
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
success
in
transitioning
people
to
more
permanent
and
supportive
environments.
Thank.
Q
B
So
there
really
isn't
any
action
needed
for
tonight.
It
is
more
of
an
informational
report.
We
do
have
several
public
speakers
on
this,
so
now
that
I
think
we
got
all
the
questions
out
from
council.
I
can
start
calling
the
individual
speakers.
We
do
have
amy
silver,
followed
by
frank,
chilo,
former
mayor,
frank,
chilo
and
former
supervisor,
frank
chilo,
sister,
lisa,
mcgafin,
tim
mcdougall,
dashell
harris
and
then
finally
rick
schroeder,
with
many
mansions.
C
C
In
response
to
our
growing
homelessness
problem
in
our
community,
I
believe
the
project
homekey
would
build
upon
the
great
work
performed
by
many
mansions
over
the
past
40
plus
years.
C
D
L
K
But
at
that
I've
been
thinking
about
this.
Quite
some.
D
And
that's
that's
why
I
think
we
can
help
we
being
a
group
of
people
that.
D
R
D
And
we're
in
the
process
of
waiting
for
responses
back.
So
that's
that's.
K
Hi,
frank
glad
to
see
you
good
to
see
you
too
I'd
already
questions,
but
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
idea-
and
I
love
the
spirit
that
you're
demonstrating
here,
and
I
hope
it
will
be
a
guide
to
other
people
in
the
community
and
many
people
will
join
with
you
and
you're
giving
the
impression-
and
I
hope
the
community
sees
it-
that
way,
that
this
is
a
problem
we
could
all
work
together
on
and
one
for
all
and
all
for
one
and
and
I
love
what
you're
doing
so
good
wishes.
B
B
Thank
you,
mr
shiloh.
It's
great
that,
after
half
a
century
of
being
a
member
of
this
community,
you
haven't
lost
your
passion
about
what
you
care
the
most,
which
is
to
house
low-income
people
and
to
help
the
homeless,
and
so
many
other
causes
for
which
you're
cheering.
So
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that.
Thank.
C
Your
awareness
of
our
social
need
to
promote
diversity,
inclusion
and
equity
is
truly
commendable
to
review.
You
defined
the
city's
goal
to
create
a
more
equitable,
accessible,
safe,
welcoming
and
inclusive
government
and
community,
regardless
of
race,
color,
ethnicity,
religion,
sex,
physical
or
mental
ability,
sexual
orientation,
gender
identity
and
expression,
age,
language,
education
and
or
socioeconomic
status.
C
B
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
you
covered
it
all
and
there's
so
much
talent
in
this
community.
D
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you,
council
members.
My
name
is
tim
mcdougall.
I
am
a
resident
of
newberry
park.
H
H
D
Very
much
for
your
service.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
we'll
see
you
soon.
C
C
C
We
may
have
a
temporary
shelter
program
during
the
months
of
november
to
march,
but
there
are
seven
months
out
of
the
year.
We
don't
have
a
place
for
people
to
sleep
at
night.
C
One
thing
that
we
have
noticed
is:
we
have
placed
people
in
project
room
key.
We
have
placed
people
through
at
motel
6
through
city
funding
and
we've
seen
so
much
progress
once
they
have
a
stable
place
to
stay
a
stable
place
to
put
their
items
and
not
worry
about
moving
from
this,
this
encampment
or
this
park,
or
this
wherever
may
be
right.
C
C
Something
that
we
also
know
as
homeless
service
providers
is
that
housing
first
does
work.
There's
a
lot
of
research
on
you
stabilize
a
person
first
and
then
you
work
on
mental
health
services.
Then
you
work
on
addiction,
treatment
right
because,
if
you're
in
survival
mode
you're
worried
about
where
you're
going
to
sleep
the
next
day,
what
you're
gonna
eat,
where
you're
gonna
go
right,
you're,
not
thinking
about
the
next
step
of
your
life,
you're,
not
thinking
about
work.
It's
a
lot!
C
C
Another
thing
I
want
us
to
keep
in
mind.
Is
the
people
that
we
serve
they're,
not
just
people
who
are
living
encampments,
they're,
they're
mothers
living
in
vehicles
with
their
with
their
children,
they're
people
who
are
so
sick.
They
have
these
major
hospital
bills
and
they
cannot
afford
to
pay
rent
and
they're
going
to
be
disabled.
For
the
rest
of
their
lives,
there
are
many
faces
to
homelessness.
It
is
not
just
the
people
that
you
see
in
encampments
and
the
people
that
you
see
on
your
street
every
day.
D
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
members
of
city
staff.
I
am
rick
schrader,
president
of
many
mansions.
Many
mansions
is
a
non-profit,
affordable,
housing,
developer
manager
and
service
provider,
as
sister
lisa
mentioned.
We
were
founded
here
in
thousand
oaks
by
frank
chilo
42
years
ago
and
by
also,
but
also
many
concerned
citizens
in
this
community
wanting
to
do
something
about
affordable
housing.
D
We
now
own
and
operate
16,
affordable
housing
communities
throughout
the
ventura
county
with
over
1400
residents,
and
we
have
another
10,
affordable
housing
projects
in
development
in
ventura.
In
los
angeles,
we
are
the
largest
supportive
housing
provider
in
ventura
county
and
it's
supportive
housing.
That's
affordable,
housing
with
on-site
services
for
those
persons
and
families
who
are
homeless
and
those
on-site
services
are
services
for
job
development,
mental
health,
counseling
drug
drug
addiction
as
well,
and
we
also
strongly
support
the
city
staff's
recommendation
to
find
a
permanent
location
for
more
permanent
supportive
housing
and
an
emergency
shelter.
D
We
need
more
permanent,
supportive
housing
in
the
city.
There
is
a
huge
waiting
list
for
such
housing.
Yet
every
year
we
place
relatively
few
people
into
our
supportive
housing
and,
as
a
result,
people
remain
homeless
and
continue
to
live
on
the
streets
or
in
cars
or
encampments,
and
most
of
the
people
that
we
do
place
are
local
people.
D
From
homelessness
to
permanent
support
of
housing,
housing,
that's
affordable,
that's
permanent
and
it
has
those
on-site
services.
Now,
our
existing
rotating
shelter
is
really
not
adequate
for
today's
challenges.
I
do
applaud,
though,
the
countless
volunteers
and
churches
and
synagogues
who
have
run
this
program,
but
I
think
we
can
do
better
that
permanent
bridge
housing
would
be
open
year
round.
It
would
provide
more
provide,
assist
more
people.
It
would
be
staffed
by
professionals
which
could
provide
a
variety
of
services.
D
It
would
better
assist
individuals
and
families
looking
for
permanent
housing
and
it's
more
likely
to
actually
have
women
and
children
use
that
housing.
So
the
city
has
an
enormous
opportunity
coming
out
of
this
pandemic
to
address
one
of
its
most
important
issues
facing
this
community.
There's
more
government
financing
available.
I
think,
there's
a
greater
awareness
of
homelessness
and
there's
a
more
desire
by
communities
to
do
their
share
in
addressing
a
situation
that
really
no
individual
or
family
should
have
to
face
so.
R
B
Thank
you
so
much
really
appreciate
it
to
all
of
our
public
speakers.
Obviously
this
is
a
very
important
topic.
We
all
five
council
members
care
very
deeply
about
this.
We
are
indeed
passionate
about
this
subject
each
and
every
one
of
us.
This
item
was
initially
going
to
be
called
at
the
very
end
of
this
council
meeting,
but
because
I
felt
that
it
is
so
important.
B
I
moved
it
up
because
of
the
fact
that
we
need
people
to
be
aware
of
our
homeless
situation
in
our
city,
so
there
is
no
really
action
that
is
recommend
required
by
the
council
other
than
to
approve
the
direction
with
the
rfq
and
the
five-year
homeless
plan.
So
the
city
attorney
advises
me
that
there
is
no
vote
required.
E
And
I
will
just
remind
the
council
that
the
ad
hoc
committee
will
be
returning
to
the
city
council
with
an
update
as
to
the
results
of
that
process.
B
Indeed,
mayor
patem
engler-
and
I
will
do
that
for
you
all
right.
N
B
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
back
to
you
from
our
2020
point
in
time.
Count
f
for
ethnicity,
13
are
hispanic
or
latino,
and
the
racial
makeup,
86
white,
4.6,
unknown
3.7,
multiple
races
or
others.
2.8
african-american
are
black
and
less
than
one
percent
for
american,
indian
or
alaska
native
less
than
one
percent
for
asian
and
less
than
one
percent
for
native
hawaiian
or
pacific
islander.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
I
think
that
is
an
important
statistic.
I
appreciate
that
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
advocates
for
homelessness
and
low-income
housing
and
support
services.
Ventura
county
representative,
and
especially
also
our
deputies,
deputy
cordova
and
richter
really
appreciate
it,
and
we
will
now
move
on
to
our
next
item,
which
is
going
to
be
8c,
another
very
important
item.
It
deals
with
our
mobile
home
units
mobile
homes
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
B
We
have
many
residents
in
attendance,
so
we
are
going
to
call
our
public
hearings
later
on.
Next
up
will
be
rent
control
and
the
item
8
c
it
is
a
municipal
code
amendment
and
that
will
be
presented.
Oh,
that
is
a
public
hearing.
Actually,
yes,
my
apologies.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
our
clerk
to
open
the
public
hearing.
C
Comprehensive
amendment
to
mobile
home,
rent
stabilization
ordinance,
dissolution
of
rent
adjustment,
commission
adoption
and
rescinding
of
related
resolutions.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
your
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record.
10
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
four
minutes.
Thank.
B
D
J
Thank
you,
mr
parker.
Can
you
hear
me
okay
good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
council
members
with
with
me
also
this
evening
we
have
lynn
oshida
the
community
development
director
analyst
and
also
felicia
liberman,
who
have
all
helped
work
on
this
ordinance.
Amendment.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Before
I
conclude,
I
want
to
note
that
staff
sent
letters
to
all
eight
mobile
home
park
owners
and
each
tenant
in
the
parks.
With
a
summary
of
the
proposed
changes
and
notice
of
this
hearing,
a
hearing
notice
was
also
published
in
accordance
with
state
law.
Several
email
correspondents
have
been
received
and
were
forwarded
to
the
council.
J
In
summary,
the
ordinance
amendments
being
proposed
are
to
comply
with
changes
to
state
law
and
reassigned
duties
of
the
rack
to
the
planning
commission.
No
other
significant
changes
are
proposed.
Staff
recommendations
for
approval
are
shown
on
this
slide
and
included
in
the
staff
report
and
staff
is
here
and
available
to
answer
your
questions.
B
Thank
you,
miss
finley,
appreciate
that
and
thank
you,
mr
parker.
We
do
have,
as
you
heard
several
speakers
and
and
the
emails
that
were
forwarded
in
the
supplemental
packet.
There
are
quite
a
few
emails
in
here
and
quite
a
few
questions.
B
B
G
K
K
D
K
O
O
I
think
why
do
not
put
more
attention
under
item
two
or
this
recommendation,
to
eliminate
our
ac
number
three
and
rac-07,
which
is
working
for
these
people
who
live
in
the
mobile
homes.
Up
to
the
moment,
if
we
remove
the
rent
control
that
they
have
right
now,
there
will
be
perspectives
that
in
the
future
or
very
near
future,
the
rent
will
increase
for
them
to
levels
that
they
cannot
afford.
B
S
I
just
want
to
be
clear
with
everyone
what
the
city
council
is
doing
tonight
is
not
eliminating
the
mobile
home
rent
control,
stabilization
ordinance
that
will
remain
in
place.
It
is
not
being
rescinded,
it
is
not
being
repealed
as
rent
control
exists
today
it
will
exist
if
the
city
council
adopts
this
new
ordinance.
What
this
ordinance
is
doing
is
two
things.
First,
it
is
just
making
minor
adjustments
to
language
in
the
rent
control
ordinance
to
comply
with
state
law.
S
B
Thank
you.
I
got
a
couple
of
phone
calls
from
mobile
home
residents
and
I
explained
that
we're
not
getting
rid
of
the
ordinance
itself,
we're
just
merely,
as
the
city
attorney
stated,
moving
the
decision-making
body
to
the
jurisdiction
of
the
planning
commission.
That
is
all
that
is
happening
so
they're
we're
not
getting
rid
of
any
rent
control
ordinance
at
all.
So
you
are
still
protected.
Just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
Mr
adam,
did
you
want.
I
Yeah,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I've
been
on
this
council
now
for
almost
nine
years,
and
I
have
to
tell
you
that
there's
no
more
ardent
supporter
of
mobile
homes
and
the
folks
that
live
in
them
than
our
mayor
all
right
period,
and
I
thank
you
I
could
attest
to
that
fact
because
she
converted
me
into
an
ardent
supporter
many
years
ago
and
the
two
of
us
have
been
very
forthright
in
our
support
for
mobile
homes,
particularly
ranch
mobile
park.
Haven't
we
claudia?
I
We
understand
that
this
is
a
well
of
affordable
housing
in
the
city
that
we
it's
very
important,
that
we
maintain
it
houses,
hundreds
of
people,
claudia
and
I
visited
many
of
the
mobile
homes.
We've
seen
the
residents
there.
We've
steered
funds
to
the
mobile
home
parks
through
our
community
development
block
grants
and
through
our
what's
our
other
one.
Our.
B
Cdbg
and
the
community
endowment
it.
I
Can
do
community
damage
for
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
too?
So
please
understand
that
and,
as
the
city
attorney
says,
nothing's
changing
with
rent
rent
control
tonight.
This
is
merely
a
procedural
act
that
we
have
to
do,
because
the
other
one
expired
so
rest
comfortably
nothing's
changing
when
it
comes
to
rent
control
in
the
city
for
our
mobile
home
parks.
S
One
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
is
with
respect
to
the
questions
on.
Why
are
why
is
staff
suggesting
that
the
planning
commission
be
the
hearing
body
rather
than
creating
another
separate
independent
commission?
There's
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that,
primarily
as
expressed
by
the
city
staff.
Our
planning
commission,
just
as
another
committee
are
appointed
by
the
city
council
members,
they
are
they
meet
regularly.
S
You
know,
appoint
and
train
a
separate
body
of
individuals
to
hear
complex
information,
but
while
we
have
a
planning
commission
that
regularly
hears
very
complex
information,
they
are
well
versed
in
due
process
rights
because
a
hearing
under
that,
under
those
circumstances,
due
process
comes
into
play,
the
mobile
home
park
owners
have
due
process
rights
and
the
mobile
home
park.
The
mobile
home
owners
also
have
due
process
rights.
S
S
So,
from
our
perspective,
it
was
logical
to
have
the
planning
commission
be
the
decision-making
body,
but
again
their
decision
is
not
going
to
be
any
different
than
what
it
exists.
Right
now
had
this.
If
the
city
council
chooses
to
have
the
rent
control
adjustment
board
separately,
I
think
you
had
a
question.
Q
No
just
just
a
comment
along
the
same
lines
when
this
first
came
to
us.
I
know
that
I,
for
one
spoke
with
the
city
city
staff
and
was
very
concerned
that
we
were
not
going
to
be
changing
any
of
the
protections
that
are
in
for
our
residents
in
a
very
important
part
of
our
housing
stock.
Q
That
is
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
primary.
In
my
mind,
I've
been
assured
by
staff
and
you've
heard
them
tonight
that
the
only
thing
really
we
are
changing
is
the
body
which
hears
these
requests
for
the
third
type
of
of
adjustments.
Thank
you.
Our
planning
commission
is
a
group
of
people
who
meet
on
a
regular
basis
and
who
are
well
versed
in
land
use.
So
I
I
feel
comfortable.
B
M
T
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
mayor
council,
members
and
staff.
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
a
couple
of
you.
I
am
reverend
jill
martinez.
I
am
a
minister
with
the
presbyterian
church
usa
and
have
been
working
in
affordable
housing
for
a
number
of
years.
Right
now
I
come
before
you
as
a
representative
from
gsmol.
T
The
golden
state
manufactured
homeowners
league.
That's
very
much
involved
with
the
mrl,
the
the
legal,
our
legal
rights
I
live
in
ventura.
I
live
in
buena
ventura
mobile
home
park,
and
I've
been
I'm
assistant
manager
for
the
central
coast
in
the
three
county
area,
so
I've
been
working
with
a
lot
of
different
mobile
homes
from
ohi
to
a
thousand
oaks,
and
so
on.
People
from
casitas
are
even
calling
me
now.
T
This
is
very
serious.
We
are
going
to
point
out
a
number
of
things
to
you
today
that
are
substantive.
There
is
one
global
issue
that
I
want
to
address
and
then
the
gsmol
attorney
is
coming
in
electronically
to
clarify
and
clean
up
any
mistakes
we
made
as
we
share
with
you,
my
global
concern,
which
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
share
with
staff.
Again,
I
hear
landlord
tenant
landlord
tenant.
That
is
not
the
issue
and
it's
a
great
big
concern.
T
T
Homeowners,
the
the
issue
is,
as
I
look
at
your
ordinance.
I
have
asked
that,
beginning
with
the
first
page
second
paragraph,
I
believe
it
is,
and
just
there
out
every
place
it
says
tenant,
it
needs
to
be
changed
to
homeowner,
and
this
is
a
partnership
between
land
owners
and
home
owners,
the
homeowners
own
more
of
the
park
than
the
land
owner.
So
when
you
talk
about
fair
return
and
protecting
your
asset,
it's
not
just
what
a
landowner
can
get,
but
the
research
is
in
and
every
100
dollars
our
rent
is
raised.
T
We
lose
the
value
of
our
homes
by
ten
thousand
dollars,
so
our
return
for
our
investment
needs
to
be
taken
seriously
as
well.
However,
this
works
out
with
the
planning
commission
or
not.
I
don't
know
what
access
the
planning
commissioners
have
to
mobile
home
living
or
the
law,
but
it
is.
It
is
significant
and
so
consider
this
as
a
partnership.
There
are
two
owners,
there's
a
land
owner
and
there
are
home
owners
that
language
needs
to
be
changed
in
the
in
the
ordinance.
Thank
you.
D
Mayor
bill
de
la
pena,
I
really
appreciate
you
prioritizing
us.
Thank
you.
Okay,
my
name
is
jill
nani
and
I
live
in
twin
palms,
mobile
home
park
on
198
north
skyline
drive
here
in
thousand
oaks.
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
D
I
advocate
the
continuance
of
the
provision
and
the
current
ordinance
that
states
rent
increases
are
assessed
at
100
percent
of
cpi
with
a
cap
of
7
percent.
According
to
the
golden
state
manufactured
homeowners,
homeowners
league
lawyer,
bruce
statten,
22
mobile
home
ordinances
in
the
state
of
california,
include
caps
on
all
rent
increases
determined
by
cpi
in
2021.
The
cpi
has
increased
rapidly
from
1.4
in
january
to
5
in
may.
D
Maintaining
the
current
necessary
seven
percent
cap
protects
mobile
home
park
homeowners
from
runaway
inflation.
I
oppose
the
dismantling
of
the
rack
is
that
is
that
the
proper
pronunciation?
Thank
you.
I
oppose
the
dismantling
of
the
rack
and
the
folding
of
their
duties
into
the
city
planning.
Commission.
The
rack
is
composed
of
two
mobile
home
park
representatives,
two
mobile
home
park,
tenants
and
one
member
who
belongs
to
neither
of
these
categories
a
neutral
individual.
D
The
rack
is
a
rent
adjustment
commission
that
acts
on
the
behalf
of
mobile
home
park
homeowners,
and
I
advocate
the
retention
of
this
most
necessary
commission
in
respect
to
appeal
ability.
I
would
like
the
city
council
to
hear
all
of
our
appeals,
including
appeals
that
include
capital
improvements,
as
opposed
to
the
city
planning,
commission
or
sitting
city
planning,
commission
manager,
making
unilateral
decisions
by
his
or
her
sole
self.
T
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
all
of
you,
wonderful
city,
council
members.
I
have
lived
in
thousand
oaks
since
1976
and
ed
jones.
You
and
I
go
way
back
so
I
appreciate
being
here,
I'm
been
a
resident
of
ranch
mobile
home
park
for
10
years
now,
and
I
love
that
sweet
little
place
and
I
love
what
you
have
helped
us
with
claudia.
Thank
you.
T
T
It's
not
safe,
it
is
so
dangerous.
The
is
a
shambles.
It's
not
being
taken
care
of
our
park
owner
doesn't
even
help
our
manager
take
care
of
the
park.
We've
had
a
light
out
for
two
years
out
in
the
street
and
the
other
thing
I've
given
200
photos
so
far
of
the
situation
of
the
street
situation,
I've
called
the
city
and
found
out.
Oh
that's,
not
the
city,
you
have
to
call
hcd
and
riverside.
T
T
Is
that
I'm
hoping
to
join
our
the
parks
around
here
so
that
I
have
a
database
if
we
know
who
we
are
and
we
can
help
each
other
and
just
standing
out
in
the
lobby
was
wonderful,
seeing
people
and
trying
to
connect
and
meet
them,
because
we
don't
have
anybody
connecting
us
and
supporting
our
side
of
things.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
I
appreciate
it
next.
B
T
Bjorklund
I
live
with
my
mom
at
the
ranch
mobile
home
park.
I've
lived
there
for
nine
years
and
I
have
to
say
I'm
new
at
this,
and
I've
been
noticing
the
last
year
of
just
as
carol
and
jill
martinez
were
saying:
there's
just
been
some
injustices
there
and
fear
among
the
manager,
and
I
appreciate
tracy,
noonan
and
claudia
our
mayor
for
stating
why
we're
here
today
that
our
rent
is
not
going
to
be
increased.
T
It's
terminology
in
the
paperwork,
and
that
is
really
important,
because
there's
two
pages
of
that
terminology
that
I
did
not
understand,
I'm
a
college
person
and
the
lingo
was
a
little
convoluted.
So
if
that
could
ever
be
changed
in
the
future
would
be
really
wonderful
and
I
won't
keep
you,
but
I
just
feel
like
it'd,
be
nice
to
be
recognized
as
home
owners
instead
of
renters.
T
These
seniors
worked
really
hard
to
become
renters,
and
I
think
that
particular
verbiage
should
probably
be
changed.
There
is
no
upkeep
of
the
property,
as
carol
was
saying,
there
are
big
huge
potholes.
I've
actually
stepped
in
it
and
twisted
my
leg
and
nothing's
been
done
about
it.
I've
taken
pictures
and
they
don't
seem
to
know
to
get
tarp
to
fix
it.
T
B
R
R
R
I
indeed
agree
that
unless
we
understand
what
changes
are
being
made
and
what
import
they
have,
there
is
going
to
be
a
resistance
to
change.
I
listen
to
your
staff
member
talk
about
reasonable
rate
of
return,
and
I
have
very
vivid
memories
of
you
folks,
trying
to
create
financials
so
that
the
property
owner
could
justify
a
rate
of
return
that
was
much
more
commensurate
with
a
business
venture
than
a
mobile
home
park
for
identified
low-income
senior
citizens.
R
You
may
recall
that,
at
least
with
respect
to
ranch
mobile
home
park
that
it
does
not
comport
with
the
space
and
other
design
requirements
laid
out
in
the
code
of
the
california
regulations
and
particularly
25
ccr
1110
it.
It
was
presumably
allowed
as
a
cramped
contained
space
in
order
to
have
cramped
contained
rent,
and
that
has
not
consistently
been
the
case.
R
R
What
does
that
staff
member
mean
for
a
reasonable
rate
of
return,
and
why
should
that
apply
if
at
all,
to
ranch
mobile
home
park
or
any
other
park?
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
you
very
much
need
to
get
whatever
organization
you
put
in
troll
of
rent
and
make
sure
they
start
out
with
policies
that
make
sure
they
identify
the
deficiencies
that
exist
now
before
we
start
allowing
recoupment
of
investment
in
properties.
K
R
Again,
I
don't
know
that
there's
been
a
rack
in
existence
for
more
than
a
decade
as
far
as
rates
of
return,
the
statute
that
the
city
has
allows
percentages
and
so
far
we
have
not
dealt
with
recovery
of
capital.
Improvements,
which
I
think
is
an
issue
which
excuse
me,
which
the
planning
commission
may
learn
about,
but
certainly
is
not
something
in
their
boathouse.
K
K
Okay,
well
that
didn't
answer
my
question,
but
finally,
what
does
a
tenant?
Not
a
tenant?
I
agree
with
you.
K
K
K
K
R
R
K
S
Unfortunately,
we
do
not.
We
are
preempted
by
state
law,
state
law,
completely
controls
all
infrastructure,
housing,
suitability,
issues
associated
with
mobile
home
parks,
and
we
are
completely
preempted
from
any
local
code
enforcement
actions
against
mobile
home
park
land
owners.
So
we
cannot,
we
are,
we
are
preempted
by
just
says
I
can't
enforce
violations
of
the
irs
tax
code
or
you
know,
or
or
the
penal
code.
We
have
no
jurisdiction
over
that
meaning.
R
S
K
R
I
I
Had
a
justin
reasonable
return
hearing
in
10
years,
correct
well,.
I
S
I
I
I
2010.,
so
I
would
say
that
that's
a
pretty
good
indication
of
rent
control
is
pretty
strong
here
in
the
city
of
thousands,
but
the
issue
this
evening.
Unlike
the
gentleman
there
is
seemingly
trying
to
make
it's,
not
the
maintenance
of
the
mobile
home
parks,
that's
not
the
issue,
and
we
we
are
sympathetic
to
that
and
that's
why
we
pump.
As
I
mentioned,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
different
funds
to
keep
these
parks
maintained.
I
The
issue
tonight
is
simply
that
we
have
to
appoint
a
body
to
hear
any
of
these
potential
justin
reasonable
return
hearings
which
we
haven't
heard
in
10
years.
I
don't
know
if
I
anticipate
hearing
in
any
in
the
future,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
planning
commission
would
be
eminently
suited
to
do
that.
It's
five
neutral
people
that
would
listen
to
this
situation.
I
I
mean,
if
we
reinstituted
the
rack,
there
would
be
a
learning
curve
for
them,
just
as
there
might
be
for
the
planning
commission
and
of
course
anybody
can
come
before
the
planning
commission,
just
as
you're
doing
right
now
and
plead
your
case
and
make
any
remarks
that
you'd
want
to
make.
It's
a
public,
transparent
hearing.
B
Thank
you,
kimono
juarez,
followed
by
marvin
sanders
and
bruce
stanton.
G
Hello,
my
name
is
kamon
juarez
and
I
do
reside
in
twin
palms
mobile
home
park.
I
was
not
aware
that
rack
did
not
exist.
I
was
aware
that
it
didn't
meet
in
10
years.
I
do
support
the
reestablishment
of
iraq.
In
that
case,
I
think
that
rack.
The
way
it
was
designed
previously
is
more
suited
for
our
needs,
as
opposed
to
the
city's
planning
commission.
So
if
the
city's
planning
commission
is
going
to
be
on
a
learning
curve
and
a
new
establishment,
iraq
would
be
under
a
a
new
learning
curve.
G
What's
the
difference
and
we
should
compose
at
the
iraq
the
new
rack,
the
same
way,
the
old
rack
was
constructed,
so
I
do
still
oppose
the
dismantlement
of
wreck
or
the.
If
you
would
call
it
that.
I
would
also
like
to
see
chapter
25
before
the
revision
in
2011
reinstated
where,
in
section
5
dash
25.02.
G
For
the
year
ending
april,
1st
rounded
to
the
nearest
tenth
no
index
in
the
excess
of
seven
percent
shall
be
employed.
I
would
like
to
see
that
reinstated.
I
don't
think
at
this
time.
In
the
era
we're
facing
post
pandemic
with
rapidly
increasing
inflation,
there's
a
place
for
mobile
homeowners,
your
typical
mobile
home
owner
to
pay
a
hundred
percent
of
the
cpi,
as
it
keeps
growing
and
growing
and
growing,
and
we
see
no
stop
to
that.
G
G
He
says
that
if
he
brings
it
to
mzl
the
property
manager
he's
in
danger
of
being
fired,
I've
contracted
lyme
disease.
I
do
believe
based
on
good
evidence.
I
contracted
it
from
twin
palms,
mobile
home
park.
We
are
infested
with
a
white
foot
mouse
which
carries
lyme
disease
and
I've
become
very
sick.
As
a
result
of
it.
There
are
unlocked
electrical
panels
that
children
can
get
into
and
electrocute
themselves
just
like
ranch
mobile
home
park.
We
have
a
deep
holes
that
the
disabled
can
easily
and
have
fallen
into.
G
That
was
my
main
concern
opposing
that
we
also
want
our
appeal
ability
to
go
with
the
city
councils
for
all
issues,
including
capital
improvements.
We
don't
think
that
any
one
person
should
hear
any
appeal,
including
capital
improvements.
It
should
be
a
body
of
the
city
council
that
votes
on
it
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
today.
I
really
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak.
B
L
Hello,
mayor
council
members,
I'm
marvin
sanders.
I
live
at
ranch
mobile
home
park.
It's
I
own
there,
I'm
the
young
gun,
I'm
seeing
I'm
61
years
old,
the
most
of
the
people.
There
are
85
95
and
you
know
they
are.
L
They
are
our
greatest
generation,
but
yes,
I
love
where
I
live.
It
is
tragic.
The
conditions
there.
I
know
that
you
guys
have
stated
that
you
have
no
enforcement
abilities,
but
it's
a
30-second
drive.
I
would
recommend
that
you
guys
drive
over
and
look
at
the
conditions
there.
They're
they're,
not
talking
about
potholes
they're
trenches,
three
inches
wide,
two
inches
deep,
four
inches
deep
someone
can
get
hurt
in
there.
L
Once
again,
you
don't
have
enforcement
abilities,
that's
been
stated,
but
you
do
have
perception
abilities
and
that
you
know
governing
bodies
do
have
some
force
that
you
can
use.
I
can
afford
a
rate,
a
rent
increase,
I'm
still
working,
I'm
you
know,
I'm
once
again
a
young
gun.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
on
assistance
that
are
counting
on
churches,
for
food
and
rent
increases
will
bring
them
to
what
you
guys
were
excited
about
an
hour
ago
and
that's
the
homeless
population
and
these
people
don't
deserve
to
be
homeless.
L
L
The
rack,
I
believe
the
new
rack
should
be
the
planning
commission
with
some
homeowners
in
it,
because
the
planning
commission
doesn't
they're
not
boots
on
the
ground.
That's
not
their
specialty,
that's
not
their
expertise.
You
need
people
that
live
that
life
and
have
a
practical
understanding
of
the
day-to-day
paradigm
that
is
functioning
there.
L
Yeah
the
prices
just
can't
go
up.
People
can't
afford
it.
They
really
can't
afford
it,
and
people
right
now
currently
in
the
ranch,
are
making
decisions
over
medication
and
meals
and
anywhere
in
america.
That's
not
fair,
and
it
it's
not
right,
and
it's
really
not
fair
writing
thousand
oaks.
This
is
a
pretty
prestigious
area
that
we
live
in.
L
L
L
H
Now,
during
that
time,
I've
had
to
no
fault
of
my
own
had
to
have
had
extensive
experience
in
connection
with
drafting
and
mending
and
enforcement
of
local
mobile
home
rent
stabilization
ordinances.
What
we
call
rsos
and
I've
represented
residents
in
probably
50
to
60
administrative
rent
hearings
throughout
california,
since
1986
been
involved
in
numerous
state
and
federal
court
cases,
including
a
1992
u.s
supreme
court
case.
H
H
I
would
have
liked
to
see
more
time
for
the
stakeholder
groups,
the
homeowners
of
the
park
owners
to
be
involved
and
maybe
made
a
part
of
this
process.
We
have
a
time
crunch
now
that
I
see
the
council
facing
with
the
summer
recess
schedule
ahead
of
you
and
after
tonight.
I
think
you
only
have
one
more
meeting
before
the
revisions
would
want
to
be
taking
place.
I
guess
around
the
middle
of
august,
but
nevertheless
I
would
urge
you
to
not
act
hastily
in
connection
with
this
important
consumer
protection
statute.
H
It's
designed,
of
course,
to
pervert
preserve,
affordable
mobile
home,
affordable
housing
in
thousand
oaks.
Instead,
I
would
urge
you
to
allow
whatever
time
might
be
made
available
to
carefully
consider
these
proposed
changes
and
whether
additional
changes
might
be
productive.
So
I'd
like
to
just
focus
on
three
issues
tonight,
first,
the
automatic
adjustment
to
rents
provision.
This
is
going
to
carry
forward.
H
Of
course,
the
current
hundred
percent
of
cpi
indexing
for
annual
allowable
rent
increases
prior
to
2011
the
ordinance
indexed
annual
adjustments
at
75,
which
is
actually
in
line
with
the
majority
of
california
jurisdictions
that
use
cpi
as
an
indexing
factor.
In
this
way,
there
are
26
of
the
47
jurisdictions
that
use
75.
H
Your
proposed
new
language
does
not
contain
a
cap,
but
I
would
note
that
it's
not
a
new
concept
because,
as
previously
mentioned,
there
was
a
cap
in
place
prior
to
that
prior
to
the
2011
amendment.
So
the
residents
respectfully
request
that,
if
100
of
cpi
is
to
remain
the
standard
that
a
seven
percent
cap
be
reinstituted
due
to
the
very
real
concerns
about
inflation,
especially
in
the
post
cove
area.
H
Secondly,
the
ordinance
language
carries
forward
the
existing
language
that,
with
respect
to
capital
improvements,
the
community
development
manager
or,
if
appealed,
the
city
manager,
is
the
final
decision
maker
with
respect
to
capital
improvements
and
that
the
council
has
there's
no
right
of
appeal
to
the
council,
and
I
would
just
say
this-
creates
a
lack
of
parity
in
the
process
and
places
responsibility
for
what
could
be
an
extremely
large
financial
item
on
one
person
without
you
being
involved
at
all.
H
H
H
Well,
I
was
also
going
to
speak
out
very
quickly
about
the
the
transition
to
the
planning
commission.
I
think
that
to
answer
some
of
the
council
questions,
the
the
benefit
of
having
park
owners
and
residents
on
a
commission
is
that
they
live
in
and
operate
the
parks
and
they
know
how
the
parks
work.
H
The
last
thing
I
was
just
going
to
mention
is:
there
is
under
the
hcd
protocols
the
ability
if
the
city
wishes
to
become
a
local
enforcement
agency
for
title
25.,
there's
a
process
to
do
that
and
there's
approximately
50
or
60
local
jurisdictions
that
do
have
enforcement
for
title
25.
So
I
thought
I'd
mention
that
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
go
over.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
You
all
right-
and
so
mr
stanton
was
our
last
speaker
and
we
are
going
to
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
staff
so
that
you
can
address
some
of
the
concerns
and
then
I
will
go
to
my
council
colleagues
for
your
questions
and
comments.
Mr
parker
or
mrs
findley.
N
D
F
When
we
made
these
adjustments
to
the
ordinance
that's
before
you
tonight,
we
never
changed
those
definition,
definitions
from
what
they
had
been
before.
There
was
no
disrespect
meant,
we
just
didn't
adjust
them.
We
certainly
can
make
a
change
to
the
definition
of
mobile
home,
tenant
or
resident
to
change
it
to
mobile
home
owner,
slash
tenant.
F
F
So
we
can
make
that
change.
Did
you
want
to
address
that
further
or
move
on
to
the
next
move?.
B
F
Prior
to
the
mediated
agreement
that
went
into
effect
in
2011
cpi
had
been
capped
at
75
of
the
of
the
annual
cpi
for
the
annual
automatic
adjustments.
F
this
year.
The
cpi
adjustment
for
ending
march
31st
2021
is
2.2
percent
and
the
the
the
range
has
most
has
has
ranged
most
between
1.9
to
3.8
percent.
In
the
last
five
years,
there
has
not
been
since
1986
anything
that
has
gone
above
5.5
and
that
was
in
1991.
B
Gonna
have
to
let
staff
continue.
Please
thank
you.
F
D
B
Before
we
go
to
mrs
findlay,
I
think
there
was
a
question
about
or
a
statement,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
about
the
process
where
the
city
can
become
a
local
enforcer.
I
was
wondering,
mrs
miss
lieberman,
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
or
perhaps
another
staff
is
what
is
that
process
for
the
city
to
become
of
an
enforcer,
an
enforcer
for
any
discrepancies
or
any
issues
with
the
mobile
home
park?
Property
such
as
the
infrastructure,
the
roads,
the
streets?
I
should
say.
B
S
Right,
I
believe
mayor
bill
de
la
pena
that
cities
can
request
permission
from
hcd
to
provide
to
actually
act
as
an
enforcement
body
on
behalf
of
the
state.
We
have
not
done
so.
It
would
obviously
require
you
know
a
change
to
our
code
enforcement,
staffing
and
regulatory
provisions
in
our
code.
So
we've
never
asked
to
do
that
because,
from
our
perspective,
hcd
does
control
it,
but
we
could
seek
permission
from
hcd
to
do
that
which
some
cities
have
done.
E
Add
to
that
you
know
that's
above
and
beyond
the
item
that's
before
us
tonight,
but
I
I
want
to
stress
if
the
council
wants
to
have
further
dialogue
with
that
in
the
future.
It's
a
bigger
dialogue
question
because
from
a
resource
allocation
standpoint
that
would
require
an
increase
in
staffing
in
order
to
take
on
responsibility
like
that,
we'd
also
have
to
go
through.
There
are
a
lot
of
burdens
that
come
along
that
I
would
want
to
give
council
a
full
and
comprehensive
report
on
what
that
looked
like.
So
you
understand
the.
B
J
Thank
you
have
a
couple
of
items,
I'd
like
to
respond
to.
J
Let's
see
regarding
appeals
of
the
capital,
improvements
to
city
council,
the
current
ordinance
for
capital
improvements
and
rehab
work,
the
appeals
go
from
the
the
decisions
made
by
the
community
development
director
or
their
designee,
and
then
they're
allowed
to
appeal
to
a
hearing
officer
which,
instead
of
using
the
term
hearing
officer
we
we
gave
that
responsibility
in
this
proposed
ordinance
to
the
city
manager
or
their
designee
and
then
with
no
further
appeals
of
those
decisions.
J
B
F
B
S
Right
so
so
again,
then,
what
you're
doing
is
you
are
creating
a
you
are
creating
another
body
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
the
last
time
we
did.
The
rent
adjustment
hearings
was
while
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
have
a
level
of
familiarity
and
understanding
and
experience
as
either
a
mobile
home
owner
or
a
landowner.
S
It
is
rife
with
conflicts,
and
the
concerns
that
I
have
as
an
attorney
is
the
due
process,
requirements
that
are
imposed
on
a
committee
or
commission
to
hear
these
types
of
applications.
We
cannot
have
any
bias,
that's
associated
with
those
decisions,
and
we
struggled
the
last
time
with
the
fact
that
we
had
we.
S
We
were
the
commission
struggled
with
an
ability
to
come
to
a
solution,
which
is
the
reason
why
the
city
ultimately
entered
into
a
mediated
decision,
with
a
with
all
of
the
parks
and
all
of
the
mobile
home
owners,
because
the
the
committee
struggled
with
maintaining
that
independence
and
impartiality
and
mulling
through
the
thousands
of
pages
of
information
and
the
hours
and
hours
of
testimony.
J
Okay
and
then
the
one
last
thing
I
wanted
to
address
the
question
regarding
what
is
justin
reasonable
return
mean,
and
it's
defined
in
section
525.09,
and
it
talks
about
anything.
J
The
city
typical
higher
hires,
an
expert
to
help
evaluate
those
applications
and
to
provide
a
report
and
recommendation
on
the
application
materials
before
we
would
schedule
it
for
hearing
with
the
planning,
commission
or
the
rac,
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
those
points.
So
when
you
talk
about
training,
there's
going
to
be
an
expert
on
hand
that
is
going
to
work
with
staff
and
the
planning
commission
to
make
sure
that
it
all
complies
with
what's
reasonable
and
what
state
law
requires
or
allows.
E
Yeah
I'll
just
bring
kind
of
a
final
comment
before
moving
to
council
questions.
So
as
a
reminder,
the
item
before
you
tonight
brings
into
compliance
with
state
law
modifies
the
hearing
body,
the
the
rack
that
was
there
before,
because
these
were
so
few
and
far
between
a
new
rack
was
recruited
each
time.
So
you
would
have
new
members
that
would
would
come
in
and
go
so.
E
So
to
that
end,
that's
what
what's
before
you
council
certainly
has
opportunity
to
make
other
changes.
Should
you
desire.
B
Thank
you.
I
will
go
to
the
first
council
member
mr
adam
and
then
council
member
mcnamee.
I
Oh,
thank
you
mayor,
okay,
so
there's
just
a
very
limited
amount
of
circumstances
that
can
affect
rent
one
as
you
discussed
at
the
cpi
and
that's
remained
fairly
steady
over
the
last
35
years.
The
other
would
be
a
capital
improvement
application
which
goes
before
the
community
development
department
and
what
was
the
appeal.
K
I
I
J
J
I
F
F
Way
to
the
top
for
capital
improvements,
those
appeals
never
went
to
the
city
council
historically
and
we're
not
making
that
recommendation
today
we're
keeping
that
appeal
process
the
same.
The
only
thing
we're
changing
is
this:
instead
of
an
appeal
from
the
community
development
director
to
a
hearing
officer
which
could
be
the
city
manager
or
it
could
be
another
department
head
or
it
could
be,
some
third
party
we
hire
outside
of
the
city,
we
streamlined
it
to
be
the
city
manager.
I
Okay,
so
in
again,
in
the
case
of
the
just
and
reasonable
return
hearing,
which
have
been
few
and
far
between,
if
any,
the
right
of
appeal
would
not
be
lost,
if
it
were
shifted
to
the
planning
commission
to
hear
it,
you
could
appeal
all
the
way
to
the
as
high
as
you
could
get
in
the
city,
which
is
the
city
council.
That.
M
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'd
like
to
share
with
my
council
members
as
well
as
the
audience.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
to
share
your
perspective
on
the
situation,
because
that's
been
very
valuable
information
from
I'm
sure
of
the
council's
perspective
up
to
date.
I
I
am
not
happy
that
we're
having
to
go
to
riverside
to
do
code
enforcement,
one
of
the
strengths
of
thousand
oaks
with
127
000
people
is
that
we're
very
accessible
and
that
you
can
pick
up
a
phone.
You
can
email
us!
M
You
can
show
up
here
at
city
council
to
voice
your
opinions.
That,
I
think,
is
a
wonderful
strength
of
our
city
and
by
you
being
here
really
has
brought
that
to
light
again,
I'm
not
happy.
We
have
to
go
to
riverside
to
drive
that
commute
to
bring
it
out
here.
It's
another
example
of
I
believe
big
government
bureaucracies
running
amok.
Why
do
we
have
something
in
riverside
doing
code
enforcement?
How
many
hours
of
drive
away
to
here
at
a
thousand
oaks
doesn't
make
sense.
M
So
to
mr
powers,
I
would
ask
you:
please:
can
we
put
this
on
the
agenda?
If
my
other
council
members
agreed
that
we
start
looking
at
all
the
different
aspects,
as
you
suggested,
to
bring
this
in-house,
and
I
think
it
would
be
worth
the
investment
from
a
city,
standpoint
and
quality
of
life
for
these
good
people
there
to
not
have
to
deal
with
this.
M
And
that's
the
challenge
here,
because,
yes,
we
do
have
a
section
there
for
capital
improvements
that
would
raise
up
the
rents
that
you
would
have
to
pay
there
as
as
homeowners,
renting
the
property
that
you're
on.
However,
there's
a
downside
to
that
and
that
the
owners
of
the
property
may
not
want
to
put
money
back
into
it,
and
now
you
introduce
something
called
the
accounting
shenanigans
that
goes
on
there's.
M
What's
called
gaap,
general
accepted
accounting
principles
and
if
you
ever
jump
into
accounting,
you
can
move
numbers
around
in
such
a
way
that
the
owner
actually
made
a
lot
of
money.
But
in
paper
it
looks
like
they
lost
money
and
that's
not
a
really
real
good
way.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
to
protect
the
true
nature
of
the
money
exchange
between
you
as
the
homeowner
tenant
and
the
property
owner
city
staff,
again
you're
looking
at
the
accounting
returns
to
come
in
to
determine
what
the
rate
of
return
is
for
the
investment.
M
D
So
for
rent
increases
proposed
that
exceed
cpi,
that's
where
the
just
and
reasonable
application
comes
into
play
and
part
of
the
consideration
with
those
applications
is
an
investigation
of
code
violations.
How
the
funds
would
be
used,
the
financing
and
code
compliance
is
part
of
it.
That's
a
standard
part
of
that
application
existing
now
and
that
would
be
carried
forward
in
the
new
ordinance.
If
council's
chooses
to
move
forward.
S
If
I
could
also
add
on
to
that
council
member
magname
with
respect
to
the
last
rent
adjustment
hearing
and
what
would
go
on
in
the
future
is
if
an
application
is
filed,
city
actually
retains
an
expert
to
assist
us
in
evaluating
the
application
and
all
the
financial
information
that's
provided
by
the
park
owner.
Okay,.
S
M
And
let
me
miss
sleeping
lehman,
I
I,
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
it
was
75
of
cpi
that
is
now
100
of
cpi
as
of
2018,
and
then
you
said
the
march
is
the
month
now.
Is
that
just
a
snapshot
in
time
for
the
cpi
or
is
it
the
trailing
12
months
all
averaged
with
march
being
the
end
date?
Do
you
follow
the
question.
F
I
may
defer
to
miss
oshida
because
she
processes
those
applications,
and
she
knows
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
minutia.
Of
that
I
would
say
that
they
always
calculate
or
implement
the
cpi
figure
ending
march
31st
of
any
given
year.
So
that's
the
date,
whatever
the
the
cpi
is
for
the
los
angeles,
long
beach,
anaheim
region,
as
determined
by
the
u.s
bureau
of
labor
statistics.
M
Now
you're
getting
my
engineering
up
here
so
march
was
a
snapshot.
Let's
say
cpi
for
last
year
was
2
march
cpi,
for
this
year
was
20
as
compared
to
the
average
cpi
for
12
months
from
march
to
march
may
not
have
been
20,
it
could
have
been
4
5,
I'm
asking
which-
and
I
want
to
be
real
clear
on
this.
Are
we
looking
at
just
march
as
the
snapshot
of
the
march
cpi?
M
N
J
M
J
D
M
M
A
question
I
don't
mean
to
be
facetious
here,
but
why
are
we
looking
at
venture?
Why
is
ventura
looking
at
orange
county,
los
angeles
riverside
to
arrive
at
the
cpi?
If
this
is
ventura
county,
we
have
nothing
to
do
with
their
costs
in
those
areas.
M
Does
that
make
sense,
and
we
have
cal
lutheran
with
tremendous
econ
program,
and
we
have
some
experts
there
that
put
out
the
economic
report
every
year
annually,
matthew
feenup,
you
know
we
can
derive
our
own
number
and
not
rely
on
something
else.
That's
not
anywhere
close
in
geographic
location
to
us.
So
I
again
sorry,
mr
powers,
I'm
kind
of
throwing
this
on
you
again.
A
E
Add
cpi's
are
pretty
generalized
they're
kind
of
industry
standard
pieces,
so
I
you
know,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
it.
If
boscarino
is
here,
she
could
probably
speak
more
fluidly
on
the
topic,
but
you
know
I'm
certainly
happy
to
bring
up
the
topic.
I
don't
know
that
I
certainly
have
any
answers
for
you
here
tonight
if
we
could
localize
the
cpi,
but
I
I
do
know
we
benchmark
it
with
all
of
our
financial
folks
off
of
the
index
that
is
closest
to
us.
M
Know
why
ventura
county
is
not
part
of
cpi
for
own
region
and
done
it
that
way
again,
that's
something!
Perhaps
we
can
talk
to
ms
boscarino
next
is,
I
understand
we
have
a
right
to
the.
They
have
a
right
to
appeal
to
council
correct
if
there's
something
that
they
don't
like.
Regarding
you
know
the
reasonable
rate
of
return
or
something
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
glad
we
talked
about
that.
I
do
move
forward.
I'd
love
to
see
the
change
of
the
language
to
read
mobile
home
owner
tenant.
M
M
Q
Yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
at
the
risk
of
prolonging
this
a
little
further
the
when,
when
we
have
a
just
and
reasonable
discussion-
and
I
don't
think
anybody
here
was
part
of
any
prior
discussions-
is,
does
they
a
parks,
condition
and
maintenance
come
into
part
of
that
as
far
as
reasonable
and
a
concern?
In
other
words,
would
that
be
balanced
against
any
demands
that
the
owner
might
have
and,
like
I
said,
I
wasn't
part
of
any
of
these.
J
So
the
items
that
are
listed
in
the
in
the
ordinance
as
it
reads,
you're
talking
about
general
maintenance
of
the
facility
in
the
common
areas
well.
Q
I'm
just
saying
if
a
park
owner
comes
and
says
I
need
a
justin
reasonable
hearing
on
on
getting
more
money
from
our
my
tenants,
my
homeowners,
thank
you
that
would
the
condition
be
part
of
the
discussions.
As
far
as
what
the
rate
of
return
ebate
expect.
S
I'm
not
an
expert
in
it,
but
what
I
believe
happens
and
again,
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
this
is
my
understanding
of
it
as
a
layperson
in
this
area.
I
believe
that
when,
when
an
application
is
submitted
for
a
reasonable
rate
of
return,
one
of
the
issues
is
the
valuation
of
the
property.
I
would
imagine
so.
The
condition
of
the
property
would
be
relevant
to
what
the
reasonable
rate
is
of
return
is
based
on
the
based
on
the
evaluation
of
the
property.
I
believe
that
that's
how
it
works,
but
again.
M
Q
Now
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
get
to
is
is
what
is
part
of
that.
In
other
words,
all
these
fine
folks
have
documented
a
lot
of
the
issues
at
the
at
different
parks.
Would
that
be
part
of
the
discussion,
irrespective
of
the
roi?
That
is
some
economic
viewpoint.
F
Q
F
Q
Okay,
in
in
terms
of
the
the
rack
and
again,
no
nobody
here
with
the
possible
exception
of
some
of
our
staff,
has
ever
been
part
of
a
rack
discussion
for
reasonable
and
just
returned
the
I'm
curious,
because
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
whether
to
go
with
a
planning
commission
or
go
back
to
another
commission
of
iraq.
Q
How
did
it
work?
What
were
the
pitfalls
of
it?
Did
it
work
well,
or
did
it
not
function
properly?
Intuitively,
I
think
when
you
have
a
group
that
has
people
who
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
outcome,
I'm
not
sure
how
well
that
would
function.
I'm
just
curious,
as
in
in
actual
terms,
how
did
it
function
when
it
was
working?
B
B
Yes,
the
council
did
hear
it
and
I
don't
remember
all
to
be
honest
with
you.
My
memory
is
a
little
foggy
on
it
since
it's
been
more
than
10
years,
but
it
was
very
complicated
and
we
they
did,
they
didn't
come
to.
We
didn't
come
to
an
agreement.
I
cannot
remember
so.
S
My
my
recollection
is
that
what
happened
in
2010
was
an
application
was
filed
I'll
just
I
was
for
more
than
one
park,
but
if
an
application
was
filed
for
a
rent
adjustment
based
on
the
reasonable
rate
of
return,
it
was
very,
very
high.
I
think
it
was
well
over
eight
hundred
dollars
yeah
it
was.
S
It
was
significantly
high
and
city
the
city
staff
hired
an
expert
to
evaluate
those
application,
the
applications
and
the
expert
opined
that
it
should
be
lower
than
what
the
park
owners
were
requesting,
but
even
that,
so
that
was
the
recommendation
made
to
the
rack,
and
I
believe
the
rack
approved
that
number,
as
recommended
by
the
by
the
expert,
and
that
decision
was
appealed
to
the
city
council
by
the
homeowners
when
it
came
to
the
city
council
prior
to
a
decision
on
it.
Actually,
city
council
was
going
to
make
a
decision
to
approve
those
numbers.
S
However,
at
that
time,
city
council
decided
to
try
to
mediate
a
comprehensive
and
global
settlement
to
it.
That's
my
recollection
of
it
and
ultimately,
we
had
a
mediated
settlement,
a
mediated
agreement
and
the
city
council
adopted
an
ordinance
under
that
and.
Q
D
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
I
did
have
the
privilege
of
actually
working
with
the
iraq
commission
at
the
last
meeting
so
to
mr
engler's
questions.
D
There
were
some
challenges,
one
of
the
things
when
you
have
these
rent
adjustment,
or
these
just
unreasonable
adjustment
request-
is
that
they
come
in
and
you
don't
know
when
they're
gonna
come
in
and
they're
very
convoluted
because
they
have
a
lot
of
documentation
so
before
the
owner
submits
it,
the
owner
has
to
do
an
assessment
themselves.
So
whether
or
not
they
should
actually
go
through
this
process,
because
it's
going
to
cost
them
some
money
as
well
to
do
this,
and
then
we
have
a.
D
We
have
a
time
period
in
which
we
have
to
take
their
application
and
review
it.
And
then
we
have
the
consultant
come
in
to
help
us
review
it
on
behalf
of
it
as
an
independent
consultant,
not
the
owners
consultant
who
they
already
have,
of
course,
and
not
for
the
tenants
consultant
which
they
may
or
may
not
have,
and
so
to
your
to
your
point,
council
member
engler.
D
It's
not
like.
We
cannot
do
it.
This
is
at
it
for
efficiency's
sake.
We
thought
that
having
the
planning
commission
do,
it
would
be
make
more
sense
and
we
can
focus
really
on
the
application
itself,
not
having
these
other
issues
that
come
into
play
when
you
have
to
make
sure
that
you
have
a
public
hearing
with
due
process
rights
and
ensures
that
we
have
an
actual.
D
We
eliminate
that
issue
down
the
run,
and
so
you,
when
you
look
at
the
old,
the
cases
that
you
have
in
these
in
these
cases
the
lawsuits
actually
later
on.
If
they
ever
happen,
you
look
at
those
things
like
takings
and
time
and
your
process
did
the
owner
have
a
right
to
be
heard.
Did
the
tenants
have
a
right
to
be
heard?
Did
everybody
get
the
evidence
that
they
need
to
do
and
do
you
have
a
foundation
for
the
decisions
and,
as
ms
noonan
stated
she's
absolutely
correct?
Is
we
had
two
applications?
Q
Q
Don't
we
have
a
schedule
within
the
ordinance
that
that
lists
the
types
of
capital
improvements
that
would
qualify,
and
I,
if
I
remember
reading
it,
doesn't
it
extend
the
the
payback
time
toward
to
the
owners
by
a
year
or
two?
In
other
words,
the
other
one
was
like
they
built
a
fence.
That's
10
years,
and
now
it's
12.
Q
I'm
sorry,
patrick,
I
was
asking
staff
about
in-house
staff.
Thank
you.
F
Sir,
so
those
capital
improvements
that
useful
life
chart
that
is
attached
to
the
resolution
in
front
of
you
today
has
been
updated
because
it
hasn't
been
updated
for
over
10
years,
and
so
those
categories
were
looked
at
to
see
if
the
timelines
and
and
the
minimum
monetary
amounts
for
each
of
those
capital.
Improvements
were
still
valid
if
they
needed
to
be
updated,
and
the
recommendation
was
that
we
do
so
and
those
are
those
are
charges
that
are
amortized
over
the
life
of
that
improvement
to
the
tenants
or
the
homeowners.
F
On
some
of
the
categories,
yes,
they
were
as
well
as
the
minimum
amount
of
money
that
the
mobile
home
park
owner
would
have
to
spend
in
order
to
even
get
to
be
able
to
put
in
an
application.
For
those
things
that
it
was
much
lower.
F
Q
K
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
mayor.
You
know,
I
think
it's
really
fitting
that
we
should
talk
about
this
subject
right
after
our
long
debate
on
the
homeless.
K
You
know
a
lot
of
people
in
these
mobile
home
parks
are
like
one
step
above
that
who
you
know.
This
is
housing
of
their
last
refuge
that
you
know
if
we
have
a
a
place
where
people
can
still
have
home
ownership
in
thousand
oaks,
going
with
the
current
rise
in
property
values,
it's
in
mobile
home
parks,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
pay
specific
attention
to
that.
I
don't
know
what
our
latitude
is
for
decision
making
tonight
about.
K
And
if
I
understand
the
second
reason
for
a
grant
possible
rent
increase-
or
whatever
it's
called,
I
guess
rent
is
the
right
word.
Adjustment
for
capital
improvements.
Does
it
say
and
maintenance
is
that
in
it,
have
a
couple
improvements
and
is
maintenance
included
in
the
second
reason.
K
Well,
I
don't
like
to
include
accuse
anybody
of
a
conspiracy,
but
I
understand
at
ranch
mobile
home
park,
there's
a
a
recent
change
in
ownership,
and
I
don't
know
how
long
ago
that
was,
but
I
think,
in
the
time
period
the
person
has
the
new
owner
has
let
the
place
run
down
and
if
he's
letting
it
run
down,
so
that
he
can
get
more
money
for
maintenance.
That
would
seem
like
a.
R
K
Unfair
tactic
on
my,
and
I
believe
you
need
somebody
really
I
I
agree
with
what
was
said
earlier
by
councilman
mcnamee.
I
understand.
The
reason
you
have
to
go
to
riverside
is
that
these
are
considered
mobile
homes,
they're
mobile
units,
and
so
isn't.
The
riverside
facility
dealing
with
something
that's
capable
of
moving
is.
Is
that
how
riverside
gets
into
it?
K
Well,
they're
called
mobile
homes.
Aren't
they
I
mean.
I
thought
I
think,
that's
the
reason
you
go
to
riverside.
I
think
we
need
some
way
to
change
that
and
and
bring
it
back
here,
because
if
you
have
to
go
to
riverside,
you
know
you're
not
going
to
have
a
a
a
reasonable
time
period
involved
in
trying
to
improve
maintenance.
So
I
think
we
need
some
way
if
we're
going
to
be
involved
or
the
planning
commission
is
going
to
be
involved
to
actually
do
inspection
ourselves
and
see
what
the
situation
is.
K
K
But
don't
let
him
you
know,
pull
shenanigans
or
whatever
the
term
is
you
know
in
order
to
raise
the
rent,
I
I
think
we
ought
to
have
a
way
of
inspecting
and
see
what
that
owner
did
you
get
in
the
position
it's
in,
so
that
he
can
then
want
money
for
maintenance
and
by
the
way,
mr
sanders
I'd
like
to
apologize.
If
I
was
a
little
rude
with
you
when
I,
when
I
told
you
I
was
through
asking
questions,
I
didn't,
I
didn't
mean
to
be
abrupt.
K
B
K
And
so
I
would
in
conclusion,
I
would
endorse
the
seven
percent,
the
seven
percent
maximum
with
the
75
percent
cpi,
and
I
would
also
say
that
we
need
a
way
of
of
finding
out
the
true
condition
of
these
mobile
homes,
and
I
I
believe
that
that
we
can
come
to
a
fair
and
reasonable
conclusion.
K
If
we
do
that,
but
you
know
we,
I
think
we
ought
to
do
what
we
can
to.
B
Thank
you
councilmember
jones,
and
we
do
have
a
couple
of
other
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
find
out
about
the
the
seven
percent
of
cpi
we
heard.
Although
it
is
2.2
percent,
I
heard
five
percent,
some,
maybe
paying
five
percent,
I'm
not
sure,
but
what?
How
can
we
find
out
whether
what
they're
paying
is
above
and
beyond
what
they
should
be
paying
they?
They
said
that
they
are
paying
five
percent.
F
B
Yes,
so
they
so
so
say.
If
the
mobile
home
park
owners
didn't
like
the
result,
then
they
would
come
up
with
the.
What
is
it
two
thousand
dollars
to
appeal
it
to
the
council?
B
Yes,
okay,
good,
okay,
then
go
ahead.
Miss
councilmember
mcnamee.
M
Just
one
follow-up:
because
of
the
discussion
that's
occurred,
this
is
out
to
city
staff,
but
I
think
it'd
be
more
in
line
with
mr
powers.
Here's
my
request
and
see.
If
we
can
do
this,
we
know
how
fast
city
government,
as
well
as
government
in
general,
moves
and,
as
you
heard,
I'm
advocating
moving
the
inspections,
the
code
enforcement
to
in-house
as
compared
to
relying
on
riverside
that
may
take
a
process
a
long
time.
M
My
thought
is:
is
it
worthwhile
sending
out
a
code
enforcement
officer
from
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
to
drive
through
and
do
the
code
enforcement
now
to
get
data
as
to
the
deficiencies
and
then
approach
again
this
at
a
state
level,
state
assembly,
woman
irwin,
as
well
as
state
senator
stern,
with
data
and
documentation?
That
here
are
the
deficiencies?
E
E
Usually,
if
you're
going
to
take
on
x,
they
ask
you'll,
make
you
take
y
and
z
as
well,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
council
has
a
clear
picture
when
they
come
forward
with,
with
any
discussion
around
that
when
you
take
on
that
responsibility,
you're
also
taking
on
the
legal
responsibility,
and
that
means
taking
the
cases
to
trial,
and
so
there's
gonna
have
to
be
make
sure
you
have
an
understanding
of
what
that
looks
like
from
a
city,
attorney's
office
standpoint
as
well,
which
we'll
include
in
the
in
the
report
now
as
it
relates
to
to
doing
condition
reports
in
there
today
I'll.
N
S
So
a
couple
of
concerns
I
have
with
doing
anything
tonight
is
because
what
we've
agendized
again,
you
know
at
what
staff's
intention
was
with
respect
to
making
the
changes
to
the
mobile
home
park
ordinance.
It
was
not
to
do
a
comprehensive
modifications
to
the
mobile
home
park
ordinance
because
from
staff's
perspective,
it
has
worked
very
well
for
both
the
mobile
home
owners
and
the
park
owners.
So
our
intent
when
we
initially
looked
at
this
was
the
realization
that
the
moratorium
on
rent
adjustments
was
going
to
expire.
S
We
had
to
do
something,
but
the
intention
was
to
keep
the
the
majority
of
the
ordinance
as
as
identical
as
we
could
to
what
currently
exists,
because
we
think
it's
a
good
model.
So,
with
respect
to
questions
about
the
cpi,
we
made
no
changes
to
that,
because
that's
what
it
currently
is
with
respect
to
appeal
rights,
we
made
no
changes
because
that's
what
it
is.
The
code
enforcement
issue
is
not
on
the
agenda.
It's
never
been
contemplated,
so
it's
it's,
not
anything
that
I
feel
comfortable
tonight
to
agree
to
do
because
it's
not
been
agendized.
S
That
is
something
that
the
city
manager
and
I
can
work
on,
bringing
back
to
the
city
council
some
some.
You
know
some
information
on
what
the
process
is,
but,
as
we
sit
here
tonight,
I'm
just
not
comfortable
with
saying
yes,
we
can
do
that
because
it's
not
something
that
is
within
the
purview
of
what's
on
the
agenda
tonight.
Good.
M
Point
I
understand,
but
the
idea,
though,
is
that
we've
I
had
some
a
number
of
great
statements
from
the
audience
and
the
residents
and.
S
M
E
I
Folks,
I
think
we
need
to
refocus
here
on
what
we're
doing,
and
I
don't
get
me
wrong.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
there's
a
soul
on
this
council
that
doesn't
appreciate
the
value
of
mobile
homes
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
It's
the
true,
affordable
housing
source
that
we
have
and
we're
very
very
appreciative
of
that.
We
understand
that,
but
but
what
we
have,
we've
we've
gone
off
into
all
these
different
areas.
That
really
aren't
what
we're
tasked
to
do
this
evening.
I
If
we
get
involved
with
code
enforcement
with
eight
different
mobile
home
parks,
we're
talking
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
every
year
to
to
accomplish
that
now.
Should
we
do
that
or
not?
I
don't
know,
but
I
don't
think
that's
really
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
If
we
talk
about
the
cpi
adjustment,
is
that
legally
defensible?
Will
the
mobile
home
park
owners
come
back
and
say:
hey
wait
a
minute.
You
know
we
we
object
to
this
and
the
next
thing
you
know
we
have
a
lawsuit
on
our
hands
now.
I
Maybe
that
is
the
thing
to
do,
but
again,
that's
not
what
we're
looking
at
this
evening.
We're
looking
this
evening
of
simply
re-upping
a
10-year
moratorium
that
that
expired
and
the
staff
is
suggesting
to
us
the
primary
issue
in
there.
The
staff
is
suggesting
that,
rather
than
using
the
rack,
we
use
the
planning
commission
to
review
any
of
these
reasonable
rate
adjustments
and
ms
noon
has
made
the
point
that
the
rack
could
be
considered
to
be
biased
in
a
sense,
correct.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
whereas
the
planning,
commission
and
don't
forget,
the
planning
commission
is
appointed
by
each
one
of
us.
Mr
mcnamee
has
his
planning,
commissioner
bob
does
claudia.
Does
I
do
ed?
Do
they
they
represent
us
and
they
represent
you
because
in
essence
you
voted
on
them.
It
seems
to
me
that
one,
what's
ironic,
is
one
way
or
another.
I
If
any
of
these
hearings
go
before
the
planning
commission,
it's
probably
going
to
be
appealed
to
the
council,
because
if,
if
the
planning
commission
hears
a
rent
adjustment
from
a
mobile
home
park
owner-
and
they
agree
to
it,
you'll
appeal,
if
they
disagree
with
it,
the
mobile
home
park
owner
will
appeal.
So
one
way
or
another
is
going
to
come
back
to
us
anyway.
So
does
it
make
any
difference?
I
If
it's
the
rack
or
the
planning
commission
hearing
it,
I'm
not
really
sure
it
does
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
anyway,
the
point
of
the
matter
is
I,
and
I
think
I
hope
you
all
agree
with
me-
that
we
need
to
refocus
here
on
what's
in
front
of
us,
which
is
really
the
primary
issue
is:
do
we
allow
the
planning
commission
to
hear
these
render
jobs.
B
I
I
understand,
I
understand
your
frustration,
but
I
did
allow
a
little
bit
more
leeway
simply
because.
B
And
so
that
is
why
I
allowed
a
little
bit
more
leeway
for
the
discussion,
because
some
issues
were
brought
to
our
attention
that,
frankly,
I
had
not
heard
about,
and
so
yes,
we
always
have
the
the
stories
of
the
mobile
home
park
owners
not
necessarily
doing
the
maintenance
and
the
repair
that
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
that
you
know.
I
have
heard
that
many
many
times,
but
that
will
be
looked
at
once
we
go
through
an
application.
You
know
there.
B
You
know
we
will
have
a
consultant
and
the
the
park
will
be
looked
at
to
see
if
the
the
the
park
needs
the
capital
improvement.
So
my
question
is
for
staff:
is
it
in
2018?
It
changed
from
75
to
100
percent
was,
were
the
homeowners
at
that
time
notified
that
it
was
changing
to
100,
or
did
that
just
automatically
happen?
I.
B
F
M
B
That
is
certainly
a
possibility,
so,
regarding
the
seven
percent
cpi,
it
can
could
that
be
lowered
and
what
would
be
the
ramifications.
B
S
So,
just
just
to
just
to
make
sure
everyone
understands
you
know,
with
respect
to
formulas,
city
council
can
ultimately
change
that
the
concern
with
doing
it
tonight
is
staff
never
intended
to
make
those
changes.
So
from
a
due
process
standpoint,
it
would
be
not
fair
to
make
those
changes,
having
not
given
an
opportunity
for
the
park
owners
to
comment
on
it.
So
from
staff's
perspective,
our
recommendation
is
to
leave
it
as
it
is
tonight.
S
If
that's,
if,
if,
if
the
city
council
desires
to
do
something
with
it
tonight
again,
I'm
I'm
a
bit
uncomfortable
with
changing
this,
the
70
100
to
75
percent.
Given
the
fact
that
staff
has
never
made
any
indication
that
we
wanted,
that
we
were
suggesting
those
changes
and
it
would
be
from
a
due
process
perspective,
I
think,
just
as
the
park
own
of
the
homeowners
would
want
an
opportunity
to
be
heard.
The
park
owners
would
want
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
as
well.
B
Of
course,
and
so
I'm
wondering
whether
we
missed
an
opportunity
to
get
their
input,
but
you
know
I
mean
we,
we
could
bring
it
back,
but
who's
going
to
go
in
the
fall
back
to
75
when
they
can
have
a
hundred
percent.
Now.
Q
B
Q
I
I
I
think,
since
it
was
not
agendas
tonight,
I
think
we
are.
We
are
left
with
just
going
with
what
we
have
these
other
ideas,
which
everybody
brought
up,
which
are
some
good
ideas.
I
think,
need
to
be
studied
and
looked
at
yes
and
then
we
can
either
act
on
it.
I
mean
if
we
want
to
put
together
a
small
ad
hoc
committee
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
fine
for
me,
but
I
think
to
we
need
to
look
at
these
ideas.
B
E
If,
if
I
may,
just
to
you
know,
level
set
us
here
about
where
we
were
10
years
ago
and
where
we
are
today,
part
of
the
reason
that
we
ended
up
in
the
place
we
were
is
the
from
the
park
owners
perspective.
They
were
saying
that
they
hadn't
had
an
adequate
opportunity
to
keep
up
the
idea
of
the
mediated
settlement
recognizing
this
variety
of
opinions
on
it
was.
E
It
was
a
settlement
it
did
last
for
10
years
and
it
had
the
function,
at
least
from
the
ownership
standpoint
of
level
setting,
and
so
we
are
here
today
with
what's
been
a
relative
equilibrium
for
a
period
and
so
we're
not
entering
a
new
mediated
agreement.
That's
not
what's
here
well,
what's
here
is
what's
been
in
place
and
we
have
to
extend
it
and
make
some
modifications
to
it
now.
E
The
council
has
always
has
the
opportunity
to
do
those
things,
but
just
as
a
reminder
of
how
we
arrived
at
the
finite
nature
of
the
agenda
item
tonight
went
through
a
period
of
of
level
setting
set
a
new
equilibrium.
So
we
didn't
have
some
of
the
situations
we
were
having
back
then,
with
these
dramatic
requests.
B
And
just
to
restate,
or
to
summarize
is
that
the
the
current
contract
is
basically
staying
in
place
with
the
changes
in
2018
going
to
100.
You
can
still
appeal
the
rate
of
return
to
the
council.
B
The
capital
improvement
was
never
able
to
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
and
so
that
is
something
that
really
it
isn't
changing,
and
the
only
thing
tonight
as
we
sit
at
the
as
we
said
at
the
outset
of
this
discussion
and
this
hearing,
is
that
really
nothing
is
changing,
with
the
exception
of
moving
the
decision-making
responsibility
from
the
rental
adjustment
commission
to
the
planning
commission,
and
that
is
basically
that's.
Basically
all
this
is
so.
K
B
K
Just
very
quickly,
I'd
just
like
to
people
to
know
that
we're
limited
on
what
we
can
do
tonight,
because
we
have
to
do
what's
on
the
agenda,
and
so
we
can't
get
into
other
areas,
but
I
believe
all
of
us
heard
loud
and
clear
all
the
comments
that
you
made
and
I
think
subsequently,
when
we
deal
with
this,
we're
going
to
certainly
take
those
into
consideration,
and
I
would
really
thank
you
for
coming
out
tonight
and
making
us
aware
of
these
things.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank.
I
Right,
yeah
and
ed
and
bob
all
right,
it's
been
a
good
freewheeling
discussion.
It's
great
to
have
you
out
here,
however,
some
of
these
issues
are
not
agendized
and
we
really,
in
all
fairness,
can't
vote
on
them.
However,
what
we
do
have
in
front
of
us,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out,
is
a
recommendation
by
staff
and-
and
I'm
prepared
at
this
point
to
move
that
we
in
fact
vote
on
that
recommendation,
which
is.
K
I
K
That
that's
yeah,
we
want
owners,
slash.
I
E
E
My
motion
and,
if
I
might
add
that
staff
will
follow
up
on
the
questions
regarding
code
enforcement
and.
I
M
C
B
You
and
again
we
will
notify
you
when
we
have
the
other
issues
coming
up
and
that
will
be
after
the
summer
break.
Probably
the
fall.
Thank
you,
and
with
that
we
will
open
the
next
public
hearing,
which
is
age,
a
landscape.
A
A
A
A
C
Madame
item
8a
correct.
B
This
is
the
landscaping
lighting
assessment
district
annual
levy,
and
this
will
be
presented
by
senior
civil
engineer.
Mr
jim
taylor
haven't
seen
you
in
a
while
hi
there
good.
O
The
landscaping
district
is
apportioned
into
39
zones
within
the
city,
and
the
lighting
district
is
divided
into
six
zones.
The
extent
of
the
landscaping
zones
are
shown
in
this
graphic
in
blue
throughout
through
an
agreement
with
the
venture
county
auditor
controller
approved
at
the
may
25th
council
council
meeting.
The
cost
for
lighting
and
landscape
zones
are
assessed
upon
properties
via
the
property
tax
role,
as
described
in
the
final
engineers
report
included
within
your
packet.
O
Note
that
landscape
zone
37a
near
mountain
creek
drive
in
newbury
park
is
currently
being
subsidized
by
the
city.
Thus
an
increase
of
11
percent
is
being
applied
to
reduce
the
sub
subsidy
and
to
fund
past
and
anticipated
additional
extensive
maintenance
maintenance
costs
in
the
area.
The
annual
increase
for
all
lighting
zones
is
also
three
percent.
O
Landscape
asses
assessment
rates
are
proposed
to
increase
by
nine
dollars
per
year
or
roughly
76
cents
per
month.
For
the
average
resident
note,
the
maximum
rates
shown
here
generally
apply
to
regions
of
the
city
with
many
landscaped
medians
parkways
street
trees
and
wheat
abatement
such
as
zone
two
near
lynn,
road
greendale
and
reno
road
zone
17
in
the
olsen
and
wildwood
area
and
zone
27
with
the
large
crown
view
open
space
parcel,
but
only
11
parcels
being
assessed
for
the
weed
abatement.
O
The
landscape
and
lighting
district
continues
to
face
challenges
with
escalating
irrigation,
water
rates
and
electricity
costs.
In
addition,
public
works
is
beginning
to
allocate
funding
toward
landscape
rehabilitation
projects
focused
upon
reducing
water
consumption,
as
well
as
using
solar
irrigation
controllers.
Q
Just
one
real
quick
question:
in
terms
of
the
district
37a,
you
said
we
were
needed
to
increase
that
by
11
and
change.
What
about
that
district
made?
It
fall
so
far
behind.
D
Yeah
and
if
I
may
not
our
hidari
here,
that
increase
is
a
relatively
nominal
in
terms
of
dollar
amount
and
it's
thought
it's
a
six
dollar
per
parcel
increase.
It
was
a
low
to
begin
with
so
per
year.
Yes,.
B
Any
other
questions
none.
I
think,
then
we
have
a
motion
already
by
council
member
adam
well.
I
I
I
C
B
C
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8b.
The
2020
urban
water
management
plan,
update
2020
water
shortage
contingency
plan
addendum
to
the
2015
urban
water
management
plan.
Mi2594
and
speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record.
We
do
have
one
individual
that
has
presented
a
speaker
card
and
pursuant
to
counsel
standards,
the
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
C
B
H
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
city
council
members
this
evening
we're
presenting
to
the
council
the
2020
urban
water
management
plan,
my
name
is
mike
vlogovic.
I'm
joined
with
nader
hidari,
dr
helen
cox
and
online
katrina
paez
from
kennedy
jenks,
our
project
manager,
so
the
items
proposed
tonight
are
the
2020
urban
water
management
plan,
the
2020
water
shortage
contingency
plan
and
the
addendum
to
the
2015
urban
water
management
plan.
H
So
an
urban
water
management
plan
tells
an
agency's
water
story.
It's
intended
to
function
as
a
planning
tool
to
guide
broad
perspective
decision
making
by
management
of
water
suppliers.
It
provides
a
framework
for
long-term
water
planning
that
ensures
adequate
water
supplies
for
existing
and
future
demands.
H
H
So
a
linear
growth
rate
was
assumed
for
the
planning
period
based
upon
population
growth.
Predictions
and
current
water
demands,
city
staff,
coordinated
the
urban
water
management
plan,
population
assessment
with
cdd
to
estimate
a
13
growth
rate
within
the
city
within
the
city
service
area
through
2045.
H
Demand
projections:
the
graph
to
the
right,
represents
water
use
since
2010,
so
the
past
10
years
of
water
use,
as
you
can
see.
In
2013,
we
had
the
highest
water
use,
followed
by
three
consecutive
years
of
water
reduction,
which
includes
water
conservation
efforts
and
post
drought.
Hardening
projected
water
use
applies,
the
13
linear
population
increase
through
2045.
H
H
H
And
staff's
recommendations
can
be
found
in
the
staff
report.
This
concludes
this
presentation
and
we
would
be
happy
to
take
questions.
B
J
J
J
Meanwhile,
climate
impact
forecasts
include
more
drought,
less
frequent
rainfall
in
more
concentrated
events
and
greater
risk
of
flooding
and
mudslides.
So
we
expect
a
new
gpu
paradigm
for
water
conservation,
water,
reuse
and
storm
water
management
that
improves
local
water
self-sufficiency
and
reduces
our
dependency
on
imports,
as
well
as
our
vulnerability
to
drought
and
water
scarcity.
J
Once
these
state
mandated
reports
are
approved,
we
understand
and
expect
that
they
will
be
revisited
when
the
general
plan
is
updated.
We
also
expect
a
widely
promoted
public
forum
about
the
city's
water
supply
with
a
website
where
the
data
they
contain
can
be
readily
found.
So
all
residents
can
access
it
and
assumptions
underlying
city
projections.
J
Water
is
obviously
also
one
of
the
most
important
topics
for
the
climate
and
environmental
action
plan.
We
appreciate
that
the
state
requires
and
public
works
has
completed
this
five-year
report,
which
can
help
all
our
residents
better
understand
what
is
needed
in
the
gp
and
the
sea
app
to
ensure
thousand
oaks
residents
never
find
ourselves
without
water.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
actually
agree
with
everything
roseanne
whits
said
I
will
be
very
much
in
favor
of
following
through
with
her
suggestions.
All
right.
We
can
now
go
back
to
staff
to
address
any
of
the
issues
raised
or
questions
raised.
D
Yes
sure
I'd
like
to
reply
to
some
of
the
the
questions
that
were
raised
in
terms
of
publishing
the
notice
for
the
meeting
tonight.
This
public
hearing
was
posted
and
noticed
in
the
same
fashion
that
all
of
the
public
meetings
we
have
public
hearings
are
noticed,
and
it
was
noticed
on
june,
8th
and
june
15th
in
the
all
the
required
publications
and
in
some
of
the
other
elements
that
were
mentioned.
D
Yes,
these
are
all
part
of
elements
that
are
being
studied
with
the
climate
and
environmental
action
plan
and
with
the
general
plan,
and
as
mentioned
earlier
in
the
presentation,
we
are
exploring
opportunity
to
develop
local
groundwater
in
the
area
as
well
to
you
know,
reduce
our
reliance
on
the
state
water
project.
D
As
I
mentioned
yes,
so
those
are
elements
that
are
in
the
larger
elements,
beyond
the
scope
of
the
the
hearing
tonight
that
are
part
of
the
you
know
being
looked
at
in
terms
of.
B
T
Yes,
it's
something
that
we
discussed
within.
We
did
have
one
meeting
of
our
climate
and
environmental
action
plan,
stakeholders
group
that
was
devoted
to
looking
at
water
issues,
and
we
did
consider
most
of
the
things
that
roseanne
mentioned:
greywater
local
water
supplies,
interconnection
with
other
water
agencies
for
resilience
and
also
what
happens
to
our
effluent
from
the
hill
canyon,
treatment,
plant
and
possibilities
for
that.
B
Thank
you
all
right.
I'm
glad
that
mr
hadari,
that
you
mentioned
that
it
did
appear
in
the
acorn
on
june,
8th
and
june
15th
mana.
C
Mayor
just
to
clarify
the
it
was
published
in
the
mature
county
star,
and
we
do
alternate
between
both
newspapers
in
order
to
meet
our
publishing
work
requirements,
as
the
star
does
have
a
little
bit
more
leeway
versus
the
acorn.
It's
a
weekly
publication.
I
see.
I
In
fact,
not
only
are
we
tapping
into
the
groundwater
which
is
so
abundant
here,
because
it
really
hasn't
been
tapped
into
since
we
used
to
water
the
cattle
decades
and
decades
ago
has
been
sitting
there.
We
are
also
coming
up
with
a
a
regional
approach.
Are
we
not
in
working
with
the
I
think,
cliff
was
telling
me
and
working
with
the
city
of
westlake
village
to
process
some
of
this
groundwater?
Are
we
not.
D
B
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I'm
delighted
that
we're
looking
at
water
reuse
from
the
hill
canyon
wastewater
plant,
because
that
would
enhance
the
less
virginous
water
districts,
reverse
osmosis
plants,
efficiencies
and
that's
the
direction
for
the
21st
century
for
water
reuse.
So
I'm
delighted
we're
moving
in
that
direction.
Mr
nader,
I've
got
a
question
for
you,
though.
Actually
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
you
for
the
doctor.
M
D
D
Potentially,
groundwater
could
be
or
other
other
sources,
particularly
because
of
the
lack
of
stormwater,
especially
as
of
late,
but
it
is
another
area
we're
looking
at
and
in
fact,
las
vegas
with
that
plant,
they're
building
they're,
looking
at
ways
to
augment
their
flow
during
the
summer
months,
where
they
normally
would
run
dry
and
that's
another
area
they're
looking
at
and
we
have
a
large
geographic
area,
a
thousand
oaks,
so
that
there's
there's
elements
being
looked
at
there
to
try
to
put
that
all
together
and
come
up
with
solutions
to
you
know
make
stormwater
into
a
resource.
M
The
challenge
again,
as
you
know
with
rainwater,
is
the
quick
downpour
of
water
and
the
huge
amount,
and
how
do
you
capture
that
and
then
how
do
you
store
it
and
use
it
through
the
rest
of
the
year
if
it
does
sustain
you
through
the
rest
of
the
year,
so
you
are
going
to
understand
looking
at
stormwater
capture
and
reuse
as
a
other
option
here
too
correct?
Yes,
excellent,
look
forward
to
seeing
how
that
develops.
That'll
be
excellent
to
see.
Thank
you.
B
C
E
E
Our
executive
managers
are
not
covered
by
a
bargaining,
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
or
contract,
but
the
item
before
you
tonight
represents
a
revised,
comprehensive
benefits
and
compensation
resolution
for
executive
managers
that
is
within
the
same
authority
provided
by
the
city
council
for
these
unrepresented
employees
and
is
presented
for
adoption
so
to
to
stress
the
the
package
that
is
there
in
place
for
the
executive
managers
is
in
alignment
with
the
same
package
that
went
to
the
other
units
just
slight
adjustments
in
various
areas.
E
It
does
represent
salary
adjustments
in
the
two
and
a
half
percent
range
per
per
year
or
two-year
agreement.
It
is
a
merit-based
salary
adjustments,
as
the
council
is
aware,
adjustments
to
the
cafeteria
plan,
some
range
adjustments
on
our
various
positions
to
keep
up
with
market,
and
it
is
consistent
with
what
was
negotiated
with
the
senior
management
association.
Q
E
And
that's
that
is
part
of
the
part
of
our
bargaining
effort.
When
we
go
through
that
every
two
years
we
do
look
at
our
ranges
and
do
a
range
adjustment
there
are.
We
did
a
market
survey
on
all
different
classifications,
in
this
case
our
assistant
city
manager,
city
clerk,
community
development,
director,
cultural
affairs,
finance,
director,
human
race,
historic
director,
library,
director,
public
works
director
in
some
form
or
fashion,
received
some
range
adjustment
to
keep
up
with
market
and
those
that
market
analysis
is
done
to
ensure
that
we
don't
slip
behind.
E
B
K
M
R
C
E
B
Thank
you
so
much
and
with
that
this
meeting
is
adjourned
until
our
next
regular
meeting,
which
is
going
to
be
the
last
meeting
of
the
before
we
take
our
summer
break
on
july,
6th.
So
happy
fourth
of
july.