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B
A
Yes,
good
evening,
my
name
is
lourdes.
My
colleague
anna
and
I
will
be
your
interpreters
this
evening.
We
are
providing
simultaneous
interpretation
into
spanish
or
into
english.
If
you
have
a
question
in
spanish,
all
you
have
to
do
is
go
to
the
bar
bottom
bar
of
your
screen
and
find
the
icon
in
the
form
of
a
globe
and
choose
your
language
of
preference.
C
Okay,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
meeting
this
evening.
We're
really
glad
that
you
all
could
join
to
talk
about
the
general
plan.
C
I
am
going
to
give
a
brief
presentation
and
then
we
can
go
into
a
question
and
answer
before
we
do
that.
I
would
like
to
know
from
everyone
about
whether
they
have
participated
in
a
previous
meeting
or
whether
they
have
read
the
briefing
book
in
either
spanish
or
english.
C
So
if
you
have
read
the
briefing
book
or
participated
in
a
meeting,
if
you
could
go
down
to
the
icons
on
the
on
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
and
give
the
thumbs
up
if
you've
read
or
attended
a
meeting
before
and
I'll
just
show
you
so
leanne
has
rosanna
has
alicia
carol:
okay,
tundra,
great
okay,
so
some
of
you
have
and
then
for
those
who
have
not
participated
in
any
of
the
meetings.
C
Welcome
we
and
or
read
the
briefing
book,
welcome
we're
really
glad
you're
here.
This
is
a
really
important
document
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Have
any
has
anyone
participated
or
heard
about
for
those
who
haven't,
who
didn't
give
the
thumbs
up
before?
Has
anyone
been
involved
in
the
general
plan
update
or
unders
or
know
what
the
general
plan
is?
So
if
you
have,
if
you
could
again
give
the
give
the
thumbs
up.
C
Okay,
so
some
of
you
have
about
half
of
you
have
and
then,
if
you
have
never
been
involved
in
anything
before,
can
you
can
you
give
me
the
thumbs
up.
C
Oh
sorry,
I
care
okay
come
on
people,
you
know
it's
seven
o'clock,
it's
been
a
long
day.
I
gotta
have
some
humor
with
this.
I
apologize
okay.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
spend
a
few
minutes
and
talk
about
the
general
plan
for
those
who
have
heard
or
been
involved
in
the
presentation.
This
is
actually
going
to
be
a
a
reminder
for
you.
C
You've
probably
heard
all
of
this
before
bear
with
us
and
for
those
who
don't
it's,
it
is
understandably
pretty
complicated,
and
so
we're
going
to
allow
you
to
ask
questions
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
it,
and
I
can
certainly
circle
back
and
repeat
anything
that
I
have
said
one
ground
rule
that
I
would
like
us
to
have
is
that
I
would
like
you
to
ask
whatever
question
is
on
your
mind.
There
is
no
such
thing
as
an
uninformed
question.
C
We
want
to
hear
whatever
you
have
to
say.
If
you
don't
understand
something,
I
said,
that's
that's
perfectly
fine.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you
leave
tonight
with
as
much
knowledge
about
the
general
plan
and
about
the
land
use
alternatives,
as
you
can
and
feel
free
to
ask
whatever
question
you
have
about
this,
and
we
would
be
happy
to
answer
it.
Okay,
that
is,
that
is
the
only
real
ground
rule
that
we
have
this
evening.
C
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
before
I
share
my
screen.
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
basic
concept
of
what
is
a
general
plan.
The
general
plan
is
a
policy
document
that
the
city
has,
and
it
is
essentially
its
constitution
about
growth
and
development
and
conservation
in
the
city.
It
defines
what
the
future
of
the
city
is
going
to
look
like
in
the
next
20
to
40
to
50
years.
C
C
Do
you
have
a
question?
Another
question?
C
Okay,
so
it
started
out
by
looking
at
at
issues
and
opportunities
what
people
liked
about
the
city,
what
they,
what
their
issue,
what
the
challenges
were,
what
the
opportunities
they
that
people
saw
for
positive
change
and
based
on
that,
we
created
a
series
of
guiding
principles
which
are
what
we
identified
through
the
public
process
as
some
of
the
values
in
the
community
and
the
things
that
people
wanted
to
see
and
those
included
a
family
friendly
community
with
a
high
quality
of
public
services,
high
quality
parks
and
open
spaces,
the
ability
to
live
in
the
city,
regardless
of
income
or
stage
in
life,
a
diverse
economy,
so
that
people
can
have
jobs
and
good
education,
safe
and
convenient
mobility
options
and
then
an
active
and
involved
community
and
among
other
topics
and
all
of
you
are
really
involved
now
and
so
you're
part
of
that
active
and
involved
community.
C
I
am
going
to
share
my
screen
so
that
you
all
can
see
some
of
the
pages
from
the
briefing
book
and
then
I
am
going
to
we'll
we'll
go
through
and
talk
about
some
of
these
topics.
Okay,
can
you
all
share
my
see
my
screen
here?
C
Okay,
great,
I
want
to
start
with
with
this
map,
which
is
the
existing
general
plan.
Land
use
designations.
So
again,
this
is
the
map
that
defines
what
the
intended
future
use
of
every
parcel
in
the
city
is.
The
plan
that
we
are
working
on
for
land
use
was
developed
in
1970
so
51
years
ago.
C
A
lot
has
changed
in
the
city
since,
since
1970
there's
a
lot
more
people,
there's
a
lot
more
open
space,
there's
a
lot
more
jobs-
and
you
know
everything
our
the
whole
world
around
us
is
really
is
really
different.
C
So
this
is
a
map,
and
I'm
just
going
to
walk
through
this
really
quickly
to
just
talk
about
what
some
of
the
colors
that
you
see
so
the
the
dotted
line
that
you
see
around
the
edge
here
around
the
colors.
That's
the
city
limit.
So
that's
how
big
the
city
is.
That's
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city,
the
every
color
on
the
map
represents
a
different
potential
future,
a
different
land
use
in
the
future
or
what
that
land
use
is,
and
so
green
is
open,
space
and
conservation.
C
The
red
and
the
dark
red
is
commercial,
which
is
like
retail
uses.
The
gray
is
industrial
uses,
so
you
think
about
rancho
canejo
and
then
the
tan
and
the
yellow
colors
are
residential
and
the
blue
is
public
facilities.
So
you
see
this
big
blue
area
up
in
the
north
side
of
the
city,
that's
clu,
so
you
can
kind
of
begin
to
see
some
of
the
this
kind
of
red,
maroon
color
right
through
the
middle.
Can
you
guys
see
my
cursor
too
okay?
C
C
Okay,
during
the
process,
we
asked
the
community
to
identify
areas
where
they
thought
potential.
New
development
could
go
new
housing
because
we
heard
a
lot
in
the
process
that
that
housing
is
really
expensive
in
the
city
and
that
people
want
more
housing
for
people
who
work
in
the
city.
For
maybe
who
are
people
who
are
teachers
or
students
at
clu
or
who
work
in
the
hospital
and
can't
afford
a
700
or
a
million
dollar
house?
C
So
people
said
we
want
more
housing,
and
so
we
said
all
right
well,
where
do
you
want
it
to
go,
and
so
what
they
did
was
we
people
identified
areas
of
the
city
where
they
thought
new
new
development
could
go,
whether
it's
housing
or
jobs,
or
even
open
space
or
retail
or
entertainment
areas,
and
so
what
we
ended
up
with
is
this
map
here,
where
we
have
the
areas
in
purple,
which
are
the
primary
areas
that
people
identified
as
potential
locations
for
some
new
development
and
then
the
numbers,
the
one
through
seven,
are
what's
called
village,
centers
or
urban
or
village
centers,
where
we
could
potentially
add
a
little
bit
of
housing,
and
so
we
focused
our
work
and
we
focused
our
work
on
these
areas.
C
C
C
I
want
to
just
point
out
that
you
see
these
kind
of
areas
that
are
that
are
hatched
here
here
and
here
these
three
areas.
These
are
actually
unincorporated
county
lands
that
are
completely
surrounded
by
the
city.
So
we
are
not
talking
about
these
areas
this
evening,
so
these
are
unincorporated
areas,
so
they
are
part
of
the
county
and
not
the
city,
so
they
have
county
services.
C
But
if
you
live
in
those
areas,
you
know
you're
going
to
feel
like
you're
living
in
the
city,
but
we're
not
talking
about
them
about
them
this
evening
because
they
are
controlled
by
the
county.
C
So
we
have
what
we
did
in
our
process.
Is
we
developed
three
different
alternatives
that
try
to
achieve
different
things
that
people
said
that
they
wanted
to
achieve
in
terms
of
a
new
vision
for
the
city?
So
all
of
these
alternatives
protect
parks
and
open
spaces,
because
we
know
that
that's
important.
C
C
C
They
allow
for
multi-family
housing
so
that
there's
more
housing
a
diversity
of
housing
compared
to
what
is
here
now
they
add
mixed-use
development,
which
is
imagine
a
building
that
has
ground
floor
retail
uses
with
residential
above
or
maybe
a
retail
store
with
residential
right
behind
it.
Those
are
mixed
use
areas,
they
create
a
walkable,
downtown
and
then
little
pockets
of
walkable
areas
throughout
the
community.
C
They
have
higher
density
development,
so
slightly
taller
buildings
that
have
more
units
in
each
building
in
different
locations.
They
we
explore
where
those
are
where
those
could
be,
and
they
all
try
to
achieve
a
high
quality
of
life
in
the
city,
while
maintaining
the
great
quality
of
life.
That's
there
now,
and
so
this
alternative
is
when
I'm
going
to
present
three
alternatives
and
then
we're
going
to
walk
through
the
pieces
individually.
C
C
It
focuses
development
around
the
civic
arts
plaza
and
the
downtown,
and
then
at
the
intersection
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
then
and
then
westlake
alternative
two,
as
opposed
to
concentrating
development,
spreads
development
out
a
lot
more,
and
so
it
moves
a
little
bit
where
some
of
the
centers
and
the
concentration
is
but
really
tries
to
spread
it
out
and
allow
for
more
flexibility
of
mixed-use
development,
so
residential
or
commercial
or
both
in
a
building,
and
it
spreads
that
out
throughout
the
city
a
lot
more
and
the
mixed
use.
C
Color
that
we're
talking
about
we
have
here
is
in
purple.
So
you
see
a
lot
of
purple
on
the
map
here
around
rancho
conejo
around
the
oaks,
mall
jan's
marketplace
and
then
all
down
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
then
the
third
alternative
is
really
focused
a
lot
on
jobs.
So
it
has.
It
expands
and
adds
more
jobs
to
the
greater
rancho
canejo
area.
C
It
creates
a
job
center
here,
partially,
where
the
mall
is
and
the
red
is
commercial
and
the
gray
is
industrial
or
jobs,
and
then
it
creates
a
bigger
job
center
over
here
on
the
east
side
of
the
city.
By
allowing
more
intensity
of
jobs
in
this
area
over
here
and
then
it
also
includes
higher
intensity
mixed-use
development
along
the
along
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
corridor
and
on
moore
park
road.
C
C
So
two
housing
units
in
one
building,
neighborhood
medium,
which
is
like
these
row
houses
or
small
apartment
buildings,
neighborhood
medium
high,
which
is
about
three-story
buildings
or
town
homes
and
then
neighborhood
high,
which
is
buildings
that
are
three
to
four
stories
tall.
C
Then
we
also
have
have
mobile
home
exclusive,
which
is
just
mobile
homes.
The
next
category
of
designations
is
the
mixed
use
and
there
are
three
categories
of
mixed
use,
which
increase
intensity
as
we
move
through
them.
The
mixed
use
low
allows
for
for
50
buildings
that
are
50
feet
high,
which
is
about
three
to
four
stories.
C
Then
there's
mixed-use
medium,
which
is
just
a
little
bit
higher
at
58
feet
and
then
mixed
use
high,
which
goes
to
68
feet.
We
know
that
the
city
is
generally
low
scale
and
low
density,
but
if
you
allow
slightly
higher
densities
in
buildings
and
higher
heights,
you
can
get
more
housing
and
that
housing
can
be
less
expensive
because
it's
it's
cheaper
to
build
per
unit,
cost
less
to
build
per
unit,
and
so
because
we
heard
about
that,
a
lot
of
people
wanted
multi-family
housing
and
housing
that
is
more
affordable.
C
There's
also
two
different
types
of
job
areas:
industrial,
low
and
industrial
flex.
The
industrial
low
is,
you
know,
think
of
two
and
three-story
buildings
that
are
surrounded
by
by
landscaping,
and
then
the
industrial
flex
allows
for
taller
buildings,
five
stories
about
75
feet
and
those
are
what
we
might
think
of
as
office
buildings.
C
There
are
also
institutional
uses,
so
there's
just
institutional,
which
is
for
like
schools
and
for
like
city
hall,
there's
parks,
golf
courses
and
open
space,
and
then
we
have
utilities
and
flood
control.
C
The
majority
of
the
land
use
designations
that
you'll
see
in
the
maps
that
we're
presenting
are
the
mixed
use
categories,
the
commercial
categories
and
the
industrial
categories.
The
rest
of
them
are
really
in
the
residential
areas
and
then
public
is
allowed.
The
institutional
uses
are
allowed
everywhere.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
rest
of
these
rather
quickly
to
just
tell
you
what
the
differences
are
and
then
we
can
circle
back
and
move
into
some
of
the
alternatives.
C
I'm
sorry
I
missed
want
to
say
that
again,
can
we
keep
going
okay,
yeah.
The
interpreter
was
on
the
wrong
channel.
You
can
keep
going
got
it.
Okay
just
want
to
make
sure
so
I'm
going
to
talk
about
each
of
the
different
areas
and
each
area
has
three
alternatives:
that
I'll
talk
about
so
there's
five
different
areas:
five
different
areas
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
first
is
rancho
canejo,
just
to
orient
you.
C
This
is
the
freeway,
the
101
freeway
moving
through
here-
and
this
is
you
know,
amgen
and
the
the
job
area
that
we
see
over
here
this.
So
this
alternative
looks
at
creating
mixed-use
development
over
just
to
the
west
of
the
jobs
area.
Right
now,
and
what
this
does
is
this
the
idea
is
this
would
allow
people
to
live
to
build
housing
so
that
if
they
wanted
to,
people
could
live
right
next
to
where
they
work
or
they
could
live
near
the
freeway.
C
If
this
area
maintains
what
is
there
now,
which
is
commercial,
alternative
3
focuses,
as
I
had
mentioned
before,
focuses
more
on
jobs,
and
it
leaves
the
entire
area
north
of
the
freeway
north
of
highway
101
for
for
the
most
part
for
industrial
and
commercial
uses,
and
because
it's
leaving
that
whole
area
for
industrial
and
commercial,
it
expands
the
amount
of
mixed
use
or
residential,
that's
allowed
south
of
the
freeway,
and
so
that's
what
approach
to
this
to
this
alternative
is
for
the
moorpark
road
and
west
thousand
oaks
boulevard
area
alternative
one,
focuses
development
and
focuses
potential
future
development
on
the
oaks
mall.
C
One
thing
we
heard
a
lot
throughout
the
process
is
that
the
oaks
mall
is
an
opportunity
for
something
new
and
different
for
the
city
right
now,
the
mall
is
there,
but
like
many
malls
across
the
country,
it's
struggling
and
in
the
future,
it's
likely
that
it's
going
to
have
to
convert
to
another
use,
because
the
mall
will
not
survive.
So
the
question
is:
what
should
be
there?
C
What's
your
vision
for
what
the
future
of
this
area
should
be
and
the
same
thing
with
the
jans
marketplace,
which
is
an
area
that
is,
is
currently
you
know
doing?
Okay
now,
but
we
know
that
it
could
be
re-envisioned
as
something
a
little
bit
different
in
the
future.
So
that's
one
of
the
questions
that
we're
asking.
So
if
you
see
in
area
one
these
are
different
scales
of
mixed-use
development,
so
would
allow
them
all
to
change
and
create
like
a
new
neighborhood
with
multi-family
housing
and
retail.
C
The
same
thing
could
happen
around
the
jans
marketplace,
although
it's
more
likely
a
lot
of
the
retail
would
remain
and
townhomes
or
small
apartments
could
be
built
on
part
of
the
site,
and
then
it
focuses
another
area
around,
and
I
always
forget
the
name
of
this
street
here.
What's
I'm
blanking
on
that
michael
help
me
out
here
ian?
C
What's
the
street
moving
in
right
here,
okay,
I'll
think
of
it
later,
the
area
where
the
sorry
it's
been
a
long
day
where
that
the
new
potential,
the
new
project
is
going
in
at
the
299
and
then,
where
the
tarantula
hill
brewing
company
and
the
big
parcel.
That's
like
the
christmas
tree
lot
that
area
over
there
would
be
mixed
use:
development
with
commercial
uses
located
along
the
freeway
and
then
continuing
on
the
east
side.
Here
commercial
uses
on
the
east
side
of
moore
park.
C
Road
alternative
two
expands
the
amount
of
mixed-use
development,
so
it
it
takes
the
entire
area
along
thousand
oaks,
boulevard,
all
the
way
to
the
101
freeway
and
allows
that
to
be
mixed,
use,
the
whole
oaks
mall
area
and
then
along
hillcrest.
Here
it
allows
that
to
be
mixed
use
and
then
and
then
all
along
more
park.
C
The
the
third
alternative,
as
I
mentioned
again,
is
more
jobs
focused,
and
so
this
area
would
maintain.
You
see
this
red
here
would
sort
of
maintain
commercial
uses,
so
retail
or
some
office
buildings,
and
then
this
is
what
we
call
the
thumb.
The
thumbnail
looks
like
that.
This
whole
area
looks
like
a
thumb
it.
This
area
could
allow
for
for
housing
and
that's
what
this
yellow
color
is.
Where
the
orange
color,
where
the
one
is,
it
would
expand
the
jobs
here
on
the
north
side
of
hillcrest.
C
So
instead
of
having
some
commercial
some
mixed
use,
it
would
allow
for
more
office
buildings
here.
It
would
create
these
higher
intensity
nodes
on
jan's
marketplace,
and
this
is
the
highest
intensity
use
so
up
to
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
or
five
stories.
Here's
a
68
feet
here
at
jan's
marketplace
and
then
the
area
around
where
the
where
the
299
project
is
and
then
the
rest
would
be
mixed
use
over
here
and
number
four.
Is
it
expand?
C
C
These
concepts
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
similar
moving
across
where
this
one
allows
for
mixed-use
development,
and
you
can
see
that
the
photos,
the
the
numbers
correspond
to
the
type
the
character
of
the
development,
so
it
would
allow
for
multi-family
housing.
This
is
where
the
civic
arts
plaza
is
right,
where
one
and
two
are
some
public
gathering
spaces
and
then
mixed
use
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
C
C
C
The
next
area
is
west
lake
and
east
end
alternative
one
focuses
mixed
use
and
let
me
sort
of
orient
you
here
so
this
is
the
west
lake
plaza
right
here,
where
the
one
is.
I
think
it's
called
the
pavilion
and
then
this
kind
of
pinkish
area
is
the
auto
dealers
that
you
see
with
101
going
right
through
the
area.
This
is
the
old
kmart
site
which
has
been
discussed
already
in
the
city,
and
so
this
alternative
does
a
combination
of
things.
One
is.
C
It
maintains
some
of
the
job
uses
here
where
number
two
is
and
number
three
in
different
levels.
So
these
are
different
industrial
low
and
then
number
two
is
industrial
high.
It
creates
a
higher
intensity
mixed
use,
node
here
right
at
a
kind
of
commercial
and
residential
area
right
at
thousand
oaks,
boulevard
and
and
west
lake
and
then
expands
that
over
into
this
area,
which
is
right
now
these
are
jobs
over.
C
C
Alternative
two
explores
a
different
concept,
and
that
is
to
keep
a
bunch
of
the
area
as
commercial
and
focus
the
potential
for
new
housing
in
this
area,
where
there
was
in
where
there
was
currently
a
lot
of
industrial
or
office
uses
and
then
where
the
the
westlake
plaza
is,
and
the
idea
behind
this
is
that
it
creates
this
buffer
between
it
out
allows
allows
more
housing
but
creates
a
buffer
between
the
resident.
This,
the
predominantly
the
single
family
areas
here
and
then
the
freeway.
So
it's
sort
of
a
transition
and
then
focuses
development
here.
C
Multi-Family
development
here
alternative
three,
and
this
is
the
jobs
focus
one
where
there's
more
jobs.
It
increases
the
intensity
of
the
job
development
and
keeps
this
entire
area
on
the
east
end
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard
as
jobs
and
then
expands
the
potential
for
jobs
over
where
you
see
number
four
here.
It
expands
the
potential
for
jobs
here
and
then
creates
a
mixed
kind
of
an
intenser
mixed
use:
development
at
west
lake
and
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
while
also
maintaining
the
character
of
the
west
lake
plaza.
C
C
The
first
alternative
is
a
is
a
a
mix
of,
and
I
just
need
to
make
sure
I'm
getting
this
right.
So
this
is
would
allow
some
alternative.
One
would
allow
some
of
the
village
centers
to
become
mixed
use
and
allow
for
residential
uses,
and
then
others
would
remain
as
commercial,
so
they
would
just
remain
as
shopping
centers.
So
this
is
sort
of
some
of
each
idea.
C
Alternative
two
would
keep
everything
as
commercial,
so
no
residential
would
be
allowed
and
they
would
just
remain
as
shopping.
Centers
and
alternative
three
allows
all
of
these
areas,
one
through
seven
to
be
mixed
use,
which
means
they
could
could
add
some
residential
or
they
could
maintain,
remain
as
commercial,
but
it
allows
for
flexibility.
C
So
we
presented
those
three
ideas
on
on
what
to
do.
I'm
going
to
move
to
questions
and
we
can
go
back
to
these
slides.
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
information
that
I
just
presented,
but
they
all
because
this
question
has
been
asked
a
lot.
They
all
allow
for
about
the
same
number
of
housing
units
to
be
built.
It's
just
in
different
places.
C
They
all
maintain
open
space.
They
all
do
their
best
to
preserve
and
maintain
some
of
the
character
of
the
existing
single
family
areas.
C
There
is
a
survey
that
is
online
that
asks
a
bunch
of
questions
about
each
of
these
different
areas
that
we
would
want
you
to
answer
and
then,
based
on
that
information,
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
preferred
alternative,
that's
going
to
be
reviewed
by
the
public
and
then
ultimately
reviewed
by
the
city
council.
C
So
this
is
not
the
only
opportunity
to
provide
comments,
but
it
is
an
important
opportunity
to
tell
us
your
overall
direction
that
you
would
prefer.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
my
screen
now
and
I'm
going
to
take
a
sip
of
something
cold,
because
my
throat
is
hurting
okay.
So
why
don't
we
move
into
into
question
and
answer
again?
C
I
really
want
to
point
out
that
I
just
presented
you
all
with
a
huge
amount
of
information
about
general
plans
and
what
could
happen
in
the
city,
and
I
know
it's
a
lot
to
take
in
so
why
don't
we
just
start
and
see
if
there's
any
kind
of
general
questions
about
what
I
presented?
C
If
there's
any
anything
you
want
me
to
go
back
over,
that
might
have
been
confusing.
So
why
don't
we
just
sort
of
start.
C
There
are
you
ready
for
your
quiz
on
what
I
said.
No,
okay.
Are
there
any
specific
questions
about
what
I
presented
about
any
area.
A
Good,
my
question
is:
if
any
plan
that
is
decided
is
this
going
to
help,
I
mean,
is
the
rent
going
to
increase,
but
it's
gonna
create,
hopefully
more
maybe
decrease,
because
we
know
that
rent
is
expensive
here,
and
so
I
just
would
like
to
see
to
know
if
this
is
gonna
help
increase
or
decrease,
or
the
rent
or
how's
that
gonna
be.
C
Yeah,
so
that's
elisa,
that's
a
really
good
question
and
a
really
hard
one
to
answer.
So.
C
The
the
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
is
that
throughout
the
process-
and
I
think
you
were
one
of
the
people
who
mentioned
this-
is
that
it's
very
expensive
to
live
in
the
city
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
different
types
of
housing
in
the
city
and
that
we
need
a
diversity
of
housing
types
so
that
the
people
who
work
in
the
city,
the
people
who
are
the
teachers
who
work
at
clu,
maybe
who
work
in
hospital
police
officers,
firemen
that
they
can
all
afford
to
to
live
in
the
city
and
right
now,
it's
just
too
expensive
for
a
lot
of
people
with
the
incomes
to
be
able
to
live
in
the
city.
C
And
so
all
of
these
alternatives
are
trying
to
allow
for
more
for
a
greater
diversity
of
housing
and
by
having
a
greater
diversity
of
housing.
We're
hoping
that
housing
prices
will
be
a
little
bit
and
the
rents
will
be
a
little
bit
lower.
C
There
are
also
is
a
possibility
of
requiring
that
some
of
the
housing
that
is
built
be
for
lower
income,
households
and
that's
called
inclusionary
housing
and
that's
something
that's
been
discussed
multiple
times
throughout
the
process,
ultimately
in
the
in
the
market.
If
it's,
if
a
building
is
privately
owned,
the
city
can't
dictate
the
cost
of
how
much
they
charge
for
housing.
B
C
This
is
a
very
short
answer,
so
there's
a
project
299
is
the
address
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
again
my
the
the
landmark.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
people
know
is
you
know
where
a
tarantula
hill
brewing
company
on
the
west
side
of
the
city
is
and
the
lot
the
large
lot
across
the
street.
That
has
construction,
I
believe
happening
now,
is
that's
the
299
project
and
so
that's
ground
floor
retail
with
residential
units
above.
C
And
there
there
has
been.
There
is
some
development,
that's
happening
along
thousand
oaks,
boulevard,
there's
the
299
project
and
then
the
lupe's
project,
which
is
right
near
city
hall
and
the
civic
arts
plaza.
C
Those
are
really
the
only
two
that
are
moving
forward
in
in
the
10
years,
since
a
plan
was
done
for
thousand
oaks
boulevard
corridor,
which
is
important,
because
that
means
that
development
and
change
in
the
city
happens
really
slowly
over
a
long
period
of
time,
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
last
general
plan
was
adopted
in
1970
and
the
city
hasn't
even
reached
its
full
vision
and
the
full
build-out
and
amount
of
housing
units
allowed
in
that
allowed
in
that
plan,
and
it's
50
years
later.
C
A
Yeah,
I'm
pretty
new
to
this
process.
So
it's
a
lot
of
information
yeah
and
I
have
a
question:
what
are
the
height
limits
for
buildings
right
now,.
C
It's
a
great
question:
it.
It
varies
in
the
city,
so
the
single
family
areas
and
actually
all
of
the
residential
areas
of
the
city,
the
height
limit,
is
35
feet.
The
and
ian
michael
and
team.
Correct
me.
If
I,
if
I
get
that
wrong
the
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard
right
now,
they
have
what's
called
commercial
residential
as
a
potential
future
use,
and
that
allows
buildings
that
are
three
stories
and
fifty
feet
tall.
C
So
a
bunch
of
the
land
use
designations,
keep
that
fifty
feet
and
that's
what
the
mixed
use
low
is.
The
mixed-use
medium
increases
that
by
eight
feet
to
allow
another
floor
of
development
and
a
little
bit
of
variation
in
the
height
line
of
the
building.
So
you
don't
end
up
with
these
sort
of
big
boxes.
You
can
kind
of
have
some
up
and
down,
and
then
the
mixed
use
high
goes
to
68
feet,
which
is
another
floor
and
just
for
the
height,
so
you
understand.
C
Typically,
a
building
will
have
a
ground
floor
of
15
to
18
feet
and
then
each
floor
of
residential
is
about
10
to
11
feet
and
if
it's
an
office,
it's
about
14
to
15
feet.
So
in
50
feet
you
can
have
a
ground
floor
of
retail
and
then
three
stories
of
residential.
Above
so
and
then
heights
are
higher
like
in
rancho
canejo.
I
think
the
buildings
go
up
to
75
feet
right
now
is
that
right,
ian
and
michael.
D
Let
me
clarify
a
little
bit
actually
in
the
industrial
zone,
which
is
mostly
the
rancho
canejo
area.
Actually,
it's
it's
mostly
35
feet
is
the
maximum.
So
it's
it's.
It's
actually
kind
of
a
low
height
requirement
relatively
for
industrial.
I
mean
the
areas
like
the
amgen
campus
yeah.
They
have
buildings
that
can
go
in
excess
of
75
feet
and
that's
allowed
that's
specific
to
that
area,
as
well
as
some
of
the
commercial
areas
like
the
oaks
mall
and
around
the
jans.
Actually,
those
properties
are
also
zoned
to
allow
up
to
75
feet.
D
There's
maybe
a
couple
of
properties
down
off
the
west
lake
and
on
the
south
side
that
have
75,
but
then
also
as
far
as
the
residential
goes
35
feet
is
kind
of
was,
is
like,
let's
say
the
accepted
norm,
but
technically
you
can
go
higher
in
our
multi-family
zones
or
rpd.
It's
just
for
the
most
part.
It's
not
practical
in
terms
of
how
certain
criteria
are
applied.
So.
C
B
C
B
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
I
kind
of
go
back
to
the
same
question
and
maybe
I'll
just
phrase
it
in
a
different
way,
and
that
is
how
amenable
are
the
landowners
to
sell
their
land
and
have
it
developed
because
you're
going
through
a
lot
a
large
process
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
they
may
just
hold
on
to
their
land
and
just
say
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
with
it
and
just
hold
on
to
it.
You
see
what
I'm
saying.
C
Absolutely
that
a
lot
of
the
parcels
are
going
to
be
that
way.
You
know
parcels
change
hands.
Sometimes
people
have
and
again.
This
is
from
my
experience
in
doing
this,
which
is
that
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
parcels
have
been
in
the
family
for
a
generation
and
they're.
You
know
maybe
a
shopping
center,
that's
making
where
it's
paid
off,
there's
no
mortgage
on
it.
There's
just
rent
coming
in
and
and
the
property
owner
doesn't
really
have
much
incentive
to
change
it.
C
So
if
you
know
there
certainly
is
the
possibility
that
and
a
likely
possibility
that
a
lot
of
the
parcels
are
not
going
to
change
over
the
next
20
years.
The
general
plan
has
the
opportunity
it
can't
force
anyone
to
develop
their
property.
C
What
it
does
is,
it
sets
the
vision
and
if
the
city
wants
there
to
be
new
development,
it
can
create
incentives
for
that
new
development
to
happen
based
on
the
regulations
that
it
puts
in
place.
So
we
have
not
had
conversations
with
individual
property
owners
about
this.
That
is
typically,
it
is
not
something
that
typically
happens
in
a
general
plan
where
the
city
is
50
square
miles.
So.
B
Okay,
so
so
a
lot
of
the
so
in
your
experience
it
would
be
that
maybe
this
general
plan
may
not
come
to
fruition
within
the
next
eight
years
or
so,
where
you
need
that
2600,
don't
you
need
to
have
2600
units
within
the
next
year.
C
C
No,
no,
it's
fine
one
of
the
challenges
that
thousand
oaks
has
and
that
that
really
every
city
across
the
state
has
is
that
the
state
government
is
requiring
cities
to
allow
for
more
housing
to
be
built
in
the
city,
and
we
have
a.
The
state
has
a
major
housing
crisis,
which
is
why
housing
is
so
expensive.
Elise
brought
that
up
as
sort
of
the
high
cost
of
housing,
so
the
state
has
created
a
whole
bunch
of
policies
that
is
really
encouraging
cities
to
allow
more
housing
to
be
built.
C
It
doesn't
require
that
the
housing
be
built,
and
so
there
is
a
number
of
housing
units
that
the
city
has
to
plan
for
which
is
about
2600
units,
which
is
what
rosanna
was
talking
about,
and
the
city
needs
to
identify
areas
where
that
housing
could
be
built
where
2600
housing
units
could
be
built.
It
does
not
need
to
do
that.
It
does
not
need
to
build
that
housing.
C
It
just
needs
to
say
that
it's
possible
so
that
the
private
market,
private
developers,
can
come
in
and
try
building,
and
so
will
that
housing
be
built.
Will
2600
units
be
built?
We
don't
know,
but
the
city
needs
to
identify
locations
and
do
what
it
can
to
remove
barriers
within
its
control
to
development
from
happening.
B
C
Feel
free
to
ask
more
questions.
It
is
very
confusing
we
understand,
and
what
I
would
really
encourage
folks
to
do
is
really
to
think
about
what
your
vision
for
the
community
is
and
how
you
can
meet
and
then
tell
us,
and
we
can
help
figure
out
how
to
meet
the
vision
that
you
have.
Okay,.
D
Matt
actually
can,
I
just
add
a
bit
of
clarification
to
rosanna's
question.
You
know
your
first
question
as
far
as
have
we
consulted
with
all
the
property
owners
and
how
do
we
know
if
they're
willing
or
whatnot
well,
like
matt,
you
know,
stated
yeah
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
that
citywide
because
that's
a
huge
undertaking,
but
you
know
for
the
purposes
of
the
housing
element.
D
B
Okay,
that's
good
to
hear
and
then
when,
because
I'm
most
interested
in
and
how
we
could
get
more
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
so
that
was
kind
of
my
question
too,
but
I
I
realized
just
from
being
at
these
meetings
that
that's
a
whole
other
conversation
and
step
after
this
whole
process
is
done.
So
thank
you
so
much
yeah.
C
It
is,
but
what
is
really
important
to
think
about
in
this
process
is
if,
if
what
you
are
hoping
for
is
having
more
housing
that
is
built
in
the
city
that
there
are,
there
are
things
that
the
general
plan
can
do
in
order
to
make
that
happen.
So
we
know
that
if
you
allow
slightly
taller
buildings
and
more
higher
density,
development
parcels
are
more
likely
to
change,
and
so
that's
something
that
you
know
to
consider.
E
Hi,
I
think
I
still
remember
what
I
wanted
to
ask
unless
I
missed
it
when
you
explained
it,
but
would
you
clarify
for
me
what
rpd
stands
for.
E
E
I
look
at
them.
It's
a
lot
to
look
and
a
lot
to
learn
from
them,
and
I
am
a
little
bit
unsure
of
when
you
look
at
the
three
line
alternatives
and
then,
when
you
talk
about
the
seven
village,
centers
are
those
seven
village
centers
something
older
than
the
maps
that
you
were
calling
the
land
alternatives
because
they
are
not
located
along
that
same
strip
of
land
along
the
101
freeway.
So
those
in
for
me
that
kind
of
creates
that
confusion.
E
So
when
you're
presenting
this
you're
saying,
look
at
the
land
use
alternatives,
the
three
that
you
call
rancho
conejo
the
theo
moorpark
corridor
and
down
to
the
westlake
area.
Those
are
the
three
land
use
alternatives
and,
aside
from
it
is
the
seven
village
centers
that
you
present,
but
for
either
one
the
three
alternatives
or
the
village
centers.
C
They
would
apply
yeah
right,
you
are,
you
are
catching
on
to
this
very
well,
and
let
me
I'm
gonna
start
with
the
last
part
of
it,
which
is
the
the
village
centers,
and
I
am
going
to
share
my
screen
here
quickly.
You
can
see
my
screen
right.
I
get
an
odd
yep,
okay
good.
C
So
if
you
see
this
map
here,
you
see
the
purple
areas
and
you
see
area
a
which
is
rancho
canejo
b,
which
is
moore
park,
road
and
west
thousand
oaks,
boulevard
sea,
which
is
downtown
and
thousand
oaks,
boulevard,
sort
of
central
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
and
then
d,
which
is
west
lake
and
the
east
end.
C
So
these
are
the
four
main
areas
and
then,
throughout
the
city
you
see
areas
one
through
seven.
These
are
the
village
centers,
so
that
kind
of
those
seven
taking
taken
together
is
what
we
call
is
really
the
fifth
area
and
for
that
fifth
area
of
the
village
centers
we
presented
three
options:
one
is
every
all
of
them,
just
remaining
commercial,
the
other
is
all
of
them
can
allowing
housing
in
mixed-use
development,
and
then
the
third
is
a
mix
of
the
other.
C
So
that's
what
the
three
alternatives
for
that
are
doing
and
if
you
look
at
when
you
go
to
the
online
survey,
you'll
see
that
those
are
that
there's
questions
about
each
of
each
of
those
broad
areas,
so
you'll
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
those
areas
and
then
the
land
use
designations
are
applied
differently.
So
the
future
intended
use
is
applied
differently
in
each
of
the
alternatives
for
the
different
areas
and
so
they're
all
trying
to
achieve
the
same
broad
goals,
but
they
just
sort
of
do
it
in
slightly
different
ways.
E
D
D
Yeah,
what
I
the
I
mentioned,
two
residential
zones
and
one
is
called
r3
and
that's
a
multi-family
zone,
but
here
in
thousand
oaks
we
also
have
another
residential
zone.
It's
called
rpd,
it's
residential,
planned
development
and
its
zoning
allows
both
single-family
and
multi-family,
and
I
don't
want
to
go
too
much
in
detail
about
it,
but
it's
kind
of
a
zone
that
is
created
kind
of
custom
to
a
particular
project
and
because
the
rpd
could
have
very
low
density
like
a
single
family
neighborhood
or
it
could
have
a
higher
density
like
townhomes
and
apartments.
E
So
now
I
am
sorry,
I
don't
want
to
a
a
conversation,
but
what,
if
I
understand
correctly
at
the
stage
that
we
are
right
now?
E
What
the
city
is
intending
to
gather
is
information
as
to
how
do
we
envision
this
to
happen
in
the
next
25
years,
so
doesn't
mean
that
they're
going
to
start
building
all
these
housing
all
over
the
town,
but
what
the
conditions
would
be
through
the
next
25
years.
So,
let's
say,
for
example,
right
now.
Most
of
us
would
like
to
see
affordable
housing
and
therefore
we
say
yeah.
We
agree
that
buildings
could
be
taller,
because
that
would
allow
for
more
space
or
more
opportunities
to
build
housing
by
having
taller
buildings.
C
You
have
this
no
you're,
really
like
you're
picking
this
up.
That's
great
and
thank
you
for
asking
that
question
about
rpd,
because
I
actually
didn't
know
what
ian
was
talking
about
either.
So
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
No,
you
you're!
Absolutely
right
I
mean
and,
and
the
only
slight
difference
I
would
say
from
what
you
just
said
is
that
what
we're
doing
is
creating
a
vision
of
what
the
city
could
be
like
in
the
future
and
that's
this
plan
just
allows
it
to
happen.
C
C
But
what
we
really
want
to
think
about
is
what
could
the
city
be
like
in
the
future
and
if
what
you
want
is
more
affordable
housing
in
the
city?
Typically,
that
translates
into
higher
intensity
development
in
in
concentrated
areas
so
that
each
unit
costs
less
to
build
and
therefore
is
less
expensive.
C
There's
also
other
policies
you
can
do
to
require
affordable
housing
and
that
can
be
in
addition
to,
and
we
haven't
really
talked
about
those
so
you're
you.
You
have
picked
this
up
very
well,
okay,
yeah,
why
don't
you
keep
thinking
about
more
questions?
Because
I
you
know
you
really
are
catching
on
to
this.
Speaking
of
someone
who's
been
catching
on
to
this
leanne
you're.
Next.
B
So
so
I
did
want
to
ask
about
inclusionary
zoning.
I
heard
you
mentioned
I've
heard
you
mentioned
that
a
couple
of
times,
and
so,
if
you
could,
I
think
that's
something
that
a
lot
of
us
would
be
interested
in.
So
if
you
could
explain
that
a
little
more.
C
Yeah
well
I'll,
explain
what
is
it
it's
a
little
bit
beyond
where
we
are
right
now
in
the
process?
Quite
simply,
inclusionary
zoning
or
inclusionary
ordinance
requires
that
a
certain
percentage
of
the
housing
units
that
are
built
have
a
deed
restriction
to
require
them
to
be
affordable,
housing,
10
20,
and
it's
important.
You
know,
linda.
You
talked
about
wanting
more
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
there's
really
two
broad
types
of
affordable
housing.
C
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
housing
that
is
affordable
so
that
you
don't
have
to
qualify
for
your
income,
it's
just
less
expensive
to
live,
and
people
aren't
spending
50
or
60
percent
of
their
paycheck
to
be
able
to
live
in
overcrowded
conditions,
and
so
the
way
that
we
get
to
that
is
more
housing
and
smaller
smaller
units
for
right
now,
and
then
that
will
increase
the
supply
of
housing
which
will
lower
the
cost
of
housing.
Overall.
C
A
A
A
C
Oh
there
she
goes
okay,
good,
it
was
working.
I
was
working
on
my
spanish
understanding
there,
the
the
village
centers
there
are
options
about
which
alternate
which
direction
you
want
to
go
and
what
what
your
vision
is
and
again
what
we
didn't
do-
and
I
think
this
is
maybe
the
source
of
the
confusion.
C
C
We
looked
at
all
of
the
village
centers
together,
and
so
I
think,
that's
what's
probably
causing
some
confusion,
because
it
was
just
gonna
take
a
lot
of
time
and
if
there's
one
area
of
one
of
the
seven
that
you
have
a
particular
vision
for
that,
you
think
should
be
something
you
can
write
that
in
the
comments
and
we'll
understand
what
you
we'll
read
it
and
we'll
know
what
your
vision
is.
But
right
now
we're
asking
you
to
pick
either
all
commercial,
all
the
the
seven
would
stay
commercial.
C
A
C
Lillian,
that's
a
excellent
question.
The
what
the
the
what
we
are
doing
now
in
the
process
is
identifying
the
future
vision
in
terms
of
the
size
of
the
building,
how
tall
it
is,
how
many
housing
units
are
built
there
and
then
what
the
uses
are
on
each
parcel
in
the
city.
C
But
we
have
heard
a
lot
that
people
want
that
in
the
city,
and
so
we
are
thinking
as
it
as
a
team,
the
city
and
then
myself
as
the
consultants
we're
thinking
about
how
we
can
present
options
to
get
more
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
because
we
we
know
it's
important
for
you
and
it's
important
for
others.
C
Thank
you
sandra
back
to
you.
A
We're
talking
about,
I
know
that
affordable
housing,
but
some
of
the
comments
that
I've
been
reading
on
twitter
as
far
as
the
general
plan
is
that
people
are
concerned
that
they
don't
want
those
knocks
to
become
glendale,
and
I
know
glendale
really
well,
because
my
family
lives
there.
I
know
that
they
developed
a
lot.
A
They
made
there's
a
lot
of
new
buildings
and
a
lot
of
commercial
buildings
with
apartments
on
top
and
what
I,
what
I
noticed
through
my
family's
experiences
that
the
prices
for
those
places
actually
got
more
expensive
when
we,
when
we
look
at
the
future,
are
we
looking
at
a
glendale
type
of
city
or
like
because
those
are
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
I'm
reading
online.
C
You
know
it's
a
really
good
question.
Glendale
has
a
lot
of
really
tall
buildings
in
it.
I
don't
think
that
anything
that
we
are
proposing
is
like
glendale.
Some
of
the
housing
that
that
is
built
in
glendale
is
three
and
four
stories
high
and
that's
the
kind
of
housing
that
we're
proposing.
But
the
really
tall
buildings
is
not
anything,
that's
being
proposed,
and
I
know
that
you
know.
I
know
that.
There's
a
lot
of
information
out
there
on
twitter
and
other
places
that
isn't
as
accurate
as
maybe
it
could
be.
C
C
Expand
the
jobs,
make
sure
that
there's
money
to
pay
for
the
services
make
sure
that
there's
money
to
pay
to
support
additional,
affordable
housing,
preserve
the
parks
and
the
open
spaces,
and
also
not
over
develop
the
city,
because
we
did
hear
from
a
lot
of
folks
that
they
don't
want
to
become
quote
like
the
valley,
and
that
means
I
think
that
means
different
things
to
different
people.
C
But
you
know
there
are
about
50
of
the
city.
Right
now
is
open
space.
That's
not
going
to
change
the
valley
does
not
have
that.
So
you
know
it.
C
Is
it
there's
very
little
change
that
may
happen,
and
even
if
say
that
the
the
2600
housing
units
that
are
that
the
state
is
saying
we
need
to
plan
for,
even
if
all
of
those
were
built,
there's
48,
000,
49,
000
housing
units
in
the
city
right
now,
we're
not
talking
about
a
major
amount
of
growth
over
that
and
the
change
is
going
to
happen
really
slowly
and
it's
only
in
a
very
limited
part
of
the
city,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about,
which
is
the
areas
the
purple
areas.
C
The
a
b
c
and
d
is
less
than
eight
percent
of
the
total
area
of
the
city
and
the
majority
of
those
areas
have
very
little
change
proposed
to
them,
and
so
we're
really
talking
about
one
to
two
percent
of
the
city
itself.
That
could
even
see
change
over
the
next.
You
know
20
to
50
years.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
So
I
was
wondering
a
little
bit
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
difference
on
the
the
alternative
that
focuses
on
jobs
or
job
growth
and
because
I'm
I'm
curious,
I
believe
you
said
that
the
all
of
the
different
land
use
maps
allow
for
the
2600
potential
units
to
be
built.
B
It's
just
different
spots
and
different
densities
within
those
maps-
and
I
was
just
I
mean-
maybe
this
is
sort
of
obvious,
but
I
just
want
you
to
maybe
speak
about
the
the
thought
process
behind
maintaining
job
growth
and
and
why
that
part
of
it
was
was
important
for
that.
Third
land
use
alternative.
C
Yeah,
that
actually,
is
something
that
hasn't
been
covered.
That
much
and
I
I
think
it's
really
important.
C
The
city
operates
and
gets
its
money
from
the
land
uses
that
are
in
the
city,
whether
that's
based
on
property
taxes
that
people
pay,
who
are
property
owners,
whether
it's
based
on
taxes
on
the
hotels
on
the
visitors
that
are
coming
in
or
whether
it's
based
on
retail
or
other
types
of
jobs
and
in
order
for
the
city
to
the
city
has
a
high
quality
of
public
services.
Now,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
people
love
about
it.
C
And
we
know
that
that
everyone
wants
to
and
always
wants
to
make
sure
that
the
city
government
is
providing
more
and
more
for
them
and
those
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city
has
is
dependent
on
the
amount
of
money
coming
in.
So
when
you
look
around
like
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
you
see
retail
spaces
that
are
vacant,
the
city's
not
really
getting
money
from
they're
getting
property
taxes,
but
not
that
much
but
they're
not
getting
money
from
those
from
a
retail
space.
C
We
need
to
think
about
how
much
money
is
going
to
be
coming
into
this
city
to
be
able
to
support
the
services,
and
so
all
of
the
alternatives
are
trying
to
think
about
the
amount
of
jobs
that
are
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
the
the
city
remains
an
attractive
place
for
jobs
to
come
in,
whether
it's
for
amgen
and
biotech,
whether
it's
for
hospitals
and
hospital
expansion
and
research,
expanded
education
like
at
clu,
expanding
the
auto
mall
or
just
office
jobs.
C
The
city
needs
to
think
about
these
types
of
uses
that
are
coming
in,
so
that
it
can
continue
to
bring
in
the
revenue
to
be
able
to
provide
the
high
quality
public
services.
You
know.
The
other
thing
that's
important
to
mention
in
this
with
revenues
is
that
there
is
sort
of
a
common
thought
that
multi-family
housing
costs
more
to
the
city
than
then
it
brings
in
in
revenues.
In
other
words,
it's
costing
the
city
money
to
build
multi-family
housing.
C
For
the
single-family
homes
per
housing
unit
than
for
the
multi-family,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
multi-family
housing
that
we've
seen
built
throughout
the
region
actually
provides
tax
benefits
to
the
city
because
you're
taking
a
parcel
that
maybe
has
a
small
retail
use
that
doesn't
have
much
retail
happening
in
it
or
it's
vacant,
and
so
there's
not
money
coming
in
and
it
builds
a
brand
new,
expensive
building,
which
is
worth
millions
and
millions
of
dollars.
And
then
they
pay
property.
C
Taxes
on
that
and
the
city
gets
a
portion
of
that
and
then
the
people
who
are
living
there
then
spend
money
in
the
city
to
go
shopping
and
that
money
results
in
more
taxes
for
the
city.
So
there's
multiple
benefits
that
start
happening
when
you
expand
the
jobs
and
then
when
you
have,
for
example,
these
multi-family
areas
and
these
kind
of
nice
walkable
retail
areas
that
is
actually
an
attractive
type
of
development
that
the
people
who
are
in
the
jobs
or
want
to
take
those
jobs
at
the
amgens.
C
C
A
Hi
again,
my
second
question
is:
if
any
of
the
current
buildings
or
housing
are
going
to
be
demolished
or
destroyed,
or
anything
like
that.
C
No,
I
mean
it's,
you
know
it's
up
to
the
individual
property
owners,
but
what
we
have
found
is
that,
if
you're,
if
it's
a
multi-family
residential
building,
they
don't
get
torn
down
to
build
something
new
so
that
you
know
there's
no.
I
there's
I've
not
heard
of
a
plan
to
do
that
and
it's
very
very,
very,
very
unlikely
to
tear
down
something
that
you
know
might
be
25
units.
So
you
can
build
35
units,
you
people
just
don't
do
that.
B
E
I'm
still
curious
to
know
when
you
talk
about
incentives,
is
that
something
that
the
city
will
determine
or
the
residents
could
tell
the
city?
Well,
why
don't
you
give,
I
don't
know,
I
have
no
clue
what
what
does
that
entail?
How
does
that
benefits
this
the
population
by
the
city,
giving
incentives
or
how
does
the?
C
That's
a
that's
a
good
question
and
this
depends
a
lot
on
the
what's
being
built
and
what's
the
incentive.
So
let
me
let
me
give
you
sort
of
a
simple
case
that
we
see
a
lot
in
planning
and
actually
the
this
is
allowed
right
now,
which
is
that
the
state
of
california
has
a
law
that
applies
to
every
city
that
says,
if
you
build
affordable
housing,
you
can
increase
the
amount
of
development
that
the
jurisdiction
allows.
C
It's
called
a
the
housing
density
bonus,
so
the
state
has
created
an
incentive
for
people
to
build,
affordable
housing.
The
city
can
create
its
own
incentives,
so
the
city
could
say
and
just
again
really
simple
using
density.
That
says:
we'll
allow
you
to
you:
developer
the
property
owner
to
build
five,
more
units
or
seven
more
units,
but
in
exchange
for
building
that
extra
housing
you
need
to.
You
need
to
build
a
small
park
or
you
need
to
build
some
affordable
housing,
and
so
that's
pretty
specific.
C
E
A
lot
someone
quite
a
bit
of
the
things
that
I've
been
thinking
about.
I
have
heard
and
have
prompted
me
to
think
more
about
it.
Of
course,
foreign
front
is
the
affordability
and
then
comes
the
accessibility.
E
E
So
for
me,
it's
extremely
important
affordability,
accessibility,
because
the
services
that
my
kid
will
require
will
be
bringing
personnel
that
will
be
providing
the
service
that
will
be
caring
for
for
my
kid
and
all
of
that
and
being
a
disabled
person,
the
financial
aspect
is
critical,
and
why
would
I
want
my
kid
to
live
here
in
thousand
oaks?
Well,
my
kid
was
born
and
raised
here,
believe
it
or
not,
in
even
in
the
capacity
that
many
people
doubt
he
has.
E
Whenever
we
go
anywhere,
we
exit
the
freeway
and
when
we
exit
the
freeway
his
face
lights
up,
he
recognizes
the
area,
my
child
is
non-verbal
and
he
cannot
use
words
to
tell
me,
but
he
recognizes
the
area
every
turn
I
take
around
on
the
way
home
he's
fully
aware.
This
is
where
I
live.
This
is
my
home.
E
I
recognize
this
place
one
day
when
I'm
gone,
I
could
say
ship
him
to
washington
where
he
has
siblings
and
may
care
for
him
may
not,
but
uprooting
just
for
the
sake
of
you
know
not
being
able
to
have
an
infrastructure
to
continue
to
provide
the
services
that
it
needs.
So
it
is
very
critical
for
me,
this
plan
is
important
personally
and
I
see
it
from
the
personal
perspective
and
I
also
see
it
from
the
community
perspective.
E
E
So
I
see
it
from
the
personal
perspective.
I
see
it
from
the
community
perspective.
There
is
plenty
people
who
work
here
but
can
afford
to
live
here,
and
when
you
talk
about
the
benefits
to
the
city
that
person
paying
to
live
in
palmdale,
lancaster,
whatever
it
is
when
could
be
living
here
and,
as
you
say,
spending
the
money
here
going
to
the
movies
here,
taking
their
kids
to
the
mall
here.
E
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
That's
really
helpful
to
hear
and
we've
heard
in
our
product,
I
mean
we
we're
we're
taking
all
of
this
in
and
you
know
we
have
heard
from
various
groups
about
accessibility
and
the
importance
of
providing
services
for
those
who
can't
necessarily
provide
for
themselves.
C
There
are
other
questions.
Alicia.
Do
you
still
have
your
hand
up,
or
is
that
the
the
last
question.
B
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
some
of
you
haven't
haven't
spoken
yet
I
know
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
questions.
I
I
guess
I'm
you
know
we
have
about
a
little
under
half
an
hour
left
and-
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
you
know
kind
of
what
what
linda
was
saying
for
and
I'd
love
to
hear
from
folks
who
haven't
had
a
chance
who
haven't
said
something.
Yet
I
understand
that
the
land
use
alternatives
and
what
we've
presented
are
are
confusing
and
they're
they're
complicated.
C
But
we,
you
know,
we've
been
in
this
process
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
without
thinking
about
the
alternatives.
I
would
love
to
hear
you
all
tell
us
what
you
what
you
think
about
what
the
city
needs
or
what
the
issues
are
in
the
city,
because
we
can
certainly
help
write
that
into
the
plan
itself.
C
I
mean
so
this
can
be
about
any
topic
not
just
about
the
land
uses,
but
we
can
maybe
spend
the
rest
of
the
time
kind
of
thinking,
bigger
picture
about
about
the
outcomes
and
the
type
of
community
that
you
all
want
to
live
in.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like,
especially
folks,
who
haven't
spoken,
much
no
offense
to
those
who
have,
but
I
just
want
to
try
and
involve
everyone
in
this
conversation?
B
Hi,
I
really
formulated
the
question
right,
but
I
I
live
near
the
moore
park
area
on
the
map
and
I've
always
been
concerned
about
the
lack
of
parks
in
the
area,
and
I
guess
my
concern
is
is
if
we
are
building
and
bringing
in
more
housing
units
around
here.
B
I
guess
because
the
size
of
the
lots
are
smaller.
How
are
we
going
to
bring
like
at
least
some
park
around
here?
B
I
didn't
watch
the
the
presentation
that
was
done
to
this,
the
crpd
okay
and
I
guess
they
were
also
kind
of
wondering
how
that's
going
to
work
around
here.
Like
gifts
like
it
would
be
great,
like
we
were
saying
like
the
plot,
I
think
it
was
called
village
center
or
applause
centers
or
you
could
have
like
a
coffee
and
walk
somewhere,
but
with
the
sizes
of
the
lots
so
small.
How
can
we
tell
one
person?
C
That's
a
great
question:
it
happens
and
you
you
were
you
were
breaking
up.
You
were
sounding
a
little
bit
robotic,
but,
but
I
I
think
I
understood
everything
about
how
do
you
get
parks,
new
parks
in
areas
when
you
have
more
development
and
the
lots
are
small,
so
there's
two
ways
that
that
it
can
happen.
C
C
C
Interestingly,
the
area
that
you're
talking
about
with
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
moore
park
road
actually
has
some
large
parcels
like
with
jan's
marketplace
and
and
thousand
oaks
mall
that
are
actually
really
good
opportunities
to
build
a
park.
That
is
more
substantial.
C
So
if
you
think
about
jan's
marketplace
redeveloping
as
something
different,
you
could
take
a
you
know
a
portion
of
that
area
and
have
them
build
a
park,
and
so
you
actually
could
get
parks
that
way.
The
other
is
you're
right.
You
need
to
rethink
what
a
park
is
when
you're
talking
about
areas
with
multi-family,
housing
or
mixed
use,
because
really
you
it's
not
necessarily
ball
fields,
it's
more
like
plazas
and
places
for
people
to
hang
out,
and
so
we
have
to
kind
of
incorporate
all
of
that
together.
C
C
B
Same
say
that
I
I
you
know
as
much
as
I
want
us
to
build,
affordable
units.
I
want
it
to
be
open
space
too,
and
I'm
the
designated
crier.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
off
my
camera,
because
that
helps
sometimes
sorry
about
that.
I
want
my
kids
to
have
the
same
quality
of
life
that
they
have,
while
I'm
here
when
I'm
gone.
B
So
that
means
having
a
safe,
comfortable
home
situation
that
they're
able
to
afford
and
the
services
and
supports
that
our
city
offers
to
them
through
you
know,
crpd
or
or
the
hillcrest
center
for
the
arts.
I
want
all
that
to
stay
intact
for
them,
which
is
why
I've
stayed
here
so
long,
because
I
like
our
school
district,
I
love
all
the
services
and
and
the
the
attributes
of
thousand
oaks
I've
stayed
here.
I've
lived
here
for
40
years.
B
My
dad
picked
a
really
good
spot
for
us
to
settle
down
and
for
him
to
retire
in.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
integrity
of
the
city
remains
intact,
but
allows
for
for
expanded
living
opportunities.
For
those
who,
you
know,
don't
make
a
substantial
amount
of
money
and
still
want
to
live
here
like
like,
linda,
my
kids,
know
the
town.
B
So
I've
been
coming
to
these
a
lot
and
today
was
a
like
with
linda's
question,
because
it
was
similar
to
one
that
I
had.
I
didn't
understand
what
that
the
second
or
the
last
slide
was
I'm
grateful.
She
asked
that
question
because
I
had
that
question
as
well.
Today
was
the
the
first
day
that
I
totally
understood
exactly
what
to
do
when
I
take
the
survey,
so
thank
you
so
very
very
much
for
that.
C
That's
that's.
That's
quite
all
right
tears.
Tears
are
welcome.
You
know,
I
think
you
actually
you
you
captured
in
a
nutshell,
with
what
you
said
everything
we
are
trying
to
do
with
this
general
plan,
and-
and
you
said
it-
you
said
it
better
than
I
ever
could
have
said
it,
which
is
keep
the
great
qualities
about
the
city.
C
Allow
for
more
people
to
live
here.
Don't
ruin
a
good
thing,
make
a
good
thing
better
and,
and
you
know
ultimately,
I
think
that's
that's
the
goal.
Overall,
you
know
I'll
tell
you
different
people
have
different
visions
about
how
to
do
that
and
that's
what
this
process
is
about,
but
but
I
really
think
that,
from
what
we've
heard
more
most
of
the
people
that
I
have
talked
to
want
exactly
what
you
just
said.
So
thank
you
for
saying
that.
C
Okay,
carol
is
a
tough
act
to
follow.
Who
else
wants
to
chime
in
okay,
let's
see
sandra
and
then
liam.
A
A
What
are
some
of
the
ways
that,
as
planners
you
can
help
with
that.
A
A
I
don't
know
I,
the
neighborhood
where
I
live
is
a
high
density,
neighborhood,
there's
apartments,
town
homes
and
single
family
homes,
but
they're
ones
that
are
really
close
to
each
other,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
really
see
a
problem
where
I
live.
Most
people
are
able
to
afford
where
they
don't
have
to
have
three
families
living
in
one
place.
You
know
like
in
some
of
our
some
of
our
families
and
thousands
have
that
problem
where
there's
two
three
families
living
in
one
apartment.
A
So
where
I
live,
is,
is
a
neighborhood
where
there's
police
officers,
teachers
and
the
prices
are
lower,
so
we
can
afford
them,
and
I
don't
see
as
much
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
a
problem
where
I
live.
Okay,.
C
I
I
I
think
you,
you
partially
answered
the
question
that
you
were
asking
me.
You
know
first,
there
there's
the
question
of.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
problem?
So
you
know
if
you
have
some
multi-family
housing
and
there's
parking
associated
with
that
housing
and
you
already
have
streets
you
know
is,
is
are
you?
Is
this
really
a
problem
and
from
your
experience,
you're
saying
you
know,
you're
saying
no,
it's
not
really
not
really
a
problem.
You
know
I
you
know.
C
Clearly
more
people
living
in
the
city
will
there's
going
to
be
a
slight
increase
in
the
number
of
cars
and
driving,
but
if
people
live
close
enough
to
to
places
that
they
go.
C
They
might
not
drive
and
that's
the
idea
of
some
of
the
mixed-use
development
and
the
multi-family
along
the
corridor.
So
you
know,
I
think,
you've
you've
you've
sort
of
answered
your
own
question
with
that.
A
Well,
I
also
lived
in
oxnard
in
oxford,
cara,
a
lot
of
traffic
and
they
they
develop
and
develop
in
a
different
way,
and
it
was-
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
moved
from
oxnard
to
camarillo
because
of
the
the
traffic,
the
quality
of
life,
my
quality
of
life,
the
stress
level,
was
not
worth
it.
So
that's
that's
another,
but
the
development
is
single
single
family
housing
with
it's
just
it's
just
most
more
spread
out,
so
people
still
have
to
drive.
C
That's
that's
right,
the
more
the
more
the
more
spread
out.
Housing
is
the
more
the
more
people
drive
and-
and
we
have
lots
of
research
that
says
that,
and
the
more
people
drive
the
more
the
more
chance
that
there
is
going
to
be
traffic
collisions
the
more
air
pollution,
the
more
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
the
more
money
people
spend
on
driving,
so
there's
lots
of
benefits
of
having
some
higher
density
areas,
not
everywhere
the
the
city.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
single
family
areas,
and
it's
perfectly
fine
to
have
that.
C
It's
just
should
that
be
everywhere.
Is
the
question.
A
C
Yeah,
that
is
very
stressful
and-
and
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure,
linda's
friend
who
commutes
in
from
lancaster
or
palmdale,
is
there's.
They
may
have
a
bigger
house,
but
their
stress
level
went
way
up
by
sitting
in
a
car,
okay,
leanne.
B
Okay,
I'm
sorry.
I
know
I've
talked
a
lot
already,
but
when
you
threw
open
the
questions
to
broader
topics,
I
I
had
to
chime
in
on
this.
What
linda
and
carol
spoke
about
as
well,
because
I
sorry
carol,
you
started
the
crying.
B
I
have
a
young
daughter
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
and
for
the
past
three
years,
our
organization
thrive,
conejo
has
been
advocating
for
inclusive
education,
for
kids,
with
disabilities
in
cr
and
cvusd,
and
the
truth
of
the
matter
is,
you
know,
we're
hoping
for
our
kids
to
build
allies
and
friends
along
the
way
who
will
care
about
them
and
help
support
them
when
we're
not
here
anymore,
but
if
they
can't
afford
to
live
here,
if
there's
not
a
place
for
them,
whether
they
can't
be
supported
for
community
and
integrated
living,
where
there's
supportive
services
where
there's
transit,
my
daughter
will
probably
never
drive
a
car
he's.
B
Gonna
need
to
be
able
to
get
around
the
city
safely,
she's
going
to
need
to
be
able
to
walk
places
and
she's,
probably
never
going
to
have
a
huge
income,
and
so
for
families
like
mine.
There's
not
a
lot
of
opportunity
and
a
lot
of
places
for
people
like
our
kids
to
go
right
now,
and
so
all
of
those
issues,
affordability,
supportive
services,
transit
safety
for
walkability-
and
you
know,
bike
ability
for
some
and
just
thinking
about
people
like
that
in
the
process
is,
is
super
important
for
us
and
why
we're
here?
C
Yeah
I
mean
it
this
this
process
is
about.
How
do
you
create
community
in
support
of
communities?
You
know,
and
it's
some
of
it
is
through
the
land
use
decision
process,
but
some
of
it
isn't
and
we
have
to.
We
have
to
keep
that
in
mind
with
this,
that
this
can
solve.
You
know
part
of
the
problems
and
part
of
those
issues,
but
not
everything,
but
it's
good
to
keep
pushing
them
in
the
process
and
thinking
about
them.
E
E
I
know
that
perhaps
the
plan
is
not
at
that
stage
yet,
but
that
is
a
very
important,
crucial
aspect
of
planning
for
the
future
of
thousand
oaks.
I
hear
I
have
been
to
a
couple
of
meetings
regarding
the
general
plan
and
I
have
heard
about
beautiful
village
with
people
walking
about
and
strolling
leisurely
or
biking
along
and
that's
fine
and
it's
attractive,
and
I
think
it's
wonderful
if
you
consider
the
impact
on
the
environment,
but
it's
not
always
very
real,
because,
let's
think
me,
I
have
a
large
family.
E
E
Having
walking
places
is
beautiful,
but
I
don't
think
is
the
solution
to
you
know
the
all
their
solution.
So
I
I
really
really
think
that
city
of
thousand
oaks,
the
general
plan-
needs
to
take
a
look
at
the
efficiency
of
the
public
transportation
right
now
and
we're
talking
about,
hopefully
creating
density.
E
More
families
living
locally,
more
families,
working
locally,
more
families
conducting
their
daily
activities
locally,
and
we
are
also
conscientious
about
the
impact
on
our
environment
so
trying
to
reduce
pollution.
I
hear
everybody
saying
the
buildings
need
to
be
cell
sustained
and
more
environmentally
friendly
and
this,
and
that
I
think
that
transportation
lend
itself
to
be
an
area
of
making
a
great
positive
impact
in
the
environment,
providing
good,
efficient,
real
service,
oriented
public
transportation.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
thanks,
you're,
absolutely
right!
No
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Yes,
we
are.
We
are
talking
about
walkable
areas
and
pretty
buildings
right
now
for
part
of
the
of
the
city.
We
admit
it,
and
you
know
one
of
the
of
us
say
you
know
two
things
with
this.
So
one
is
that
by
one
of
the
advantages
of
what
the
community
said
in
terms
of
where
they
wanted
to
see
potential
development
sort
of
along
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
corridor
actually
lends
itself
to
better
public
transit
along
that
area.
C
Is
it's
really
not
very
supportive
of
of
good
transit
service,
and
we
see
that
all
across
the
country
that
that,
and
so
that
is,
that
is
a
challenge
and
you're
right.
Like
you
know
it's
it's,
you
can't
walk.
You
can't
walk
a
mile
to
the
supermarket
and
get
groceries
for
a
large
family
and
carry
it
back
yourself.
C
You
know
you
have
to
drive,
but
maybe
there's
other
things
that
you
can
walk
for.
Other
people
can
walk
for,
so
the
low
density
pattern
makes
transit
difficult,
which
is
why
focusing
allows
for
for
better
transit
in
in
more
limited
areas
of
the
city,
and
I
know
it's
not
exactly
the
answer
you
wanted
to
hear.
But
you
know
that's,
that's
the
react.
That's
the
reality
of
it.
All
I
can
do
is
be
truthful
about
about
what
I
see
as
a
professional
here.
C
So,
okay
sandra
you
have
your
hand
up.
A
Working
with
adelante,
we
have
realized
that
there's
a
food
desert
in
central
thousand
oaks,
so
there's
no
supermarkets
and
some
of
our
families
have
a
real,
just
like
linda
mentioned,
going
to
the
supermarket
that
it
is
a
lot
of
them
are
low
income
and
they
have
a
hard
time
going
to
the
supermarket.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
like,
as
you
planned,
to
think
of,
think
of
them
central
thousand
oaks
and
then,
as
far
as
accessibility.
A
Also
many
of
our
sponsor-speaking
families
do
not
are
not
very
tech
savvy
and
will
probably
not
take
the
survey
online.
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
get
the
survey
on
paper
so
we
can
have
their
families
fill
it
out
at
our
one
of
our
food
distribution
events
or
our
pantry.
B
Yes,
absolutely
we
have
the
the
spanish
version
of
the
briefing
book
as
well
as
the
survey,
the
english
and
spanish
versions
of
both
the
briefing
book
and
the
survey
are
available
on
paper
and
we
would
be
happy
to
to
print
those
and
get
those
to
you.
Just
let
us
know
what
the
best
way
is
to
get
in
touch
with
you
or
you
can
send
an
email
to
us.
A
When
would
it
be?
Where
would
they
be
ready,
because
we,
if
the
survey
is
due
on
the
15th,
we
only
have
two
saturdays
to
do
this.
B
B
I
think
I
I
one
of
the
things.
Maybe
we
need
to
consider.
I
know
they're
going
to
need
some
kind
of
pictorial
representation.
B
Are
there
slides
that
can
be
sent
so
they
know
what
they're
talking
about
or
because,
if
they're
not
technologically
savvy,
they
may
not
be
able
to
look
at
the
book
and
all
the
slides
and
whatnot.
B
Yes,
if
they're
not,
I
don't
know
lillian.
If
you
think
that
families
are
going
to
be
able
to
look
online
at
the
briefing
book
or
if
there's.
B
B
B
E
B
E
B
That's
a
good
question:
kristen.
Are
you
looking.
C
It's
bad,
it's
my
guess,
kristen
and
I
think
we
we
have
to
end
real
soon.
Okay,
because
we
we
have
our
our
interpreters
until
until
nine
and
it's
nine
o'clock
now.
C
Yeah,
so
I
just
let
me
close
really
quickly
in
in
the
last
minute.
I
really
appreciate
everyone
everyone's
time
tonight
and
everyone's
thoughts.
You
all
have
been.
You
know
incredibly
sophisticated
about
this
with
really
complex
material
and
really
thoughtful.
We
hope
that
we
were
able
to
answer
some
of
your
questions.
If
you,
if
you
do
have
follow-up
questions,
send
an
email
to
the
vp
at.
C
Djokes2045.Org
right
I
get
that
right,
gp,
tokes.org,
dp
and
just
you
know,
let
us
know
what
questions
you
have.
Please
we'll
coordinate
with
michael
and
kristen
to
get
the
survey
and
we
really
really
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
involved
in
the
process
and
thank
you
all
this
evening
for
sharing
your
stories
and
sharing
your
thoughts
and
and
we
look
forward
to
keep
working
with
you
throughout
the
process,
because
there's
a
lot
more
to
talk
about.