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7/26/2021
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2018-70478
residential
plan
development,
rpd
2018-70479
oak
tree
permit
otp,
2018-2
and
mitigated
negative
declaration
m
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2020-70459
to
subdivide
a
3.21
acre
residential
lot
into
10
residential
lots
to
accommodate
the
construction
of
10
single-family
residences,
including
the
construction
of
a
private
road
removal
of
two
oak
trees,
encroachment
and
pruning
into
the
protected
zone
of
three
oak
trees,
new
walls,
hardscape
landscape
and
grading.
A
mitigated
negative
declaration
has
been
prepared
for
the
project
for
conformance
with
the
california
environmental
quality
act
sequa
located
at
apn.
J
As
far
as
as
the
specifics
go
for
the
project
details
tentative
track
map,
2018-70478
is
a
request
to
subdivide
3.21
acres
into
10
single-family
residential
lots.
You
also
have
a
residential
plan
development
to
construct
the
10
single
family
residences,
which
includes
a
private
access,
road,
hardscape,
landscape
walls
and
grading.
J
The
project
also
includes
an
oak
tree
permit
to
remove
two
oak
trees
and
also
includes
the
prune
pruning
and
encroachment
into
the
protected
zone
of
three
oak
trees.
The
project
includes
a
mitigated
neck
deck
that
was
prepared
for
the
project
in
accordance
with
the
california
environmental
quality
act.
J
Back
in
february
of
1978,
the
city
council
approved
a
zone
change
to
change
the
project's
property
zoning
from
rural
exclusive
to
residential
plan
development,
which
is
what
you
have
today
in
september
of
1981.
The
planning
commission
approved
residential,
planned
development
to
allow
the
construction
of
nine
single
family
residences.
J
J
As
far
as
the
project
setting
goes
again,
as
previously
mentioned,
the
property
is
a
3.21
acre
site.
It
has
an
ascending
slope
from
kelly
road
toward
the
eastern
portion
of
the
property.
There
are
existing
oak
trees
on
the
site
and
there
is
existing
residential
properties
surrounding
the
entire
property,
and
you
have
open
space
to
the
south
southeast.
J
The
subject
site
is
zoned,
rpd
single
family
dwelling,
residential
structures
are
allowed
within
the
rpd
zone
and
the
properties
land
use
as
land
use.
Designation
is
low
density
residential.
The
proposed
project
does
provide
for
infrastructure
improvements.
There
is
sewer
and
water
connectivity
provided
along
east
kelly
road
along
the
western
portion
of
the
property
which
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
later.
J
As
far
as
the
lay
of
the
land
and
the
project
setting
goes
here's
an
aerial
photograph
of
the
subject,
property
in
in
the
red
you.
I
indicate
the
subject
site
where
you're
going
to
have
the
proposed
10
residences,
and
you
also
in
the
blue.
You
have
the
ascending
topography,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
property
ascends
from
kelly
road
on
the
western
portion
of
the
site
up
down
lynn
road
to
the
east.
J
J
Here
is
a
photograph
of
the
subject:
property,
as
you
can
see
here,
you
have
lynn
road
on
the
right-hand
side
and
you
have
east
kelly
road
on
the
left-hand
side.
The
proposed
project,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
red,
is
where
the
residences
will
be
constructed
on
the
property.
They
will
be
constructed
along
lynn,
road
towards
the
east
of
the
property
and
in
the
green
there
along
kelly
road.
You
have
the
private
road
access,
the
private
road,
that's
in
the
cold,
exact
design
in
the
yellow
indicate
their
sidewalk.
J
The
proposed
project
does
include
right-of-way
improvements
along
kelly
road.
The
applicant
would
be
required
to
construct
sidewalk.
However,
on
kelly
road,
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
construct
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
As
far
as
the
project
construction
goes,
here's
another
photograph
of
the
subject
property.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Would
be
proposing
the
10
lots
and
the
allowed
density
on
the
subject?
Property
is
up
to
4.5
dwelling
units
per
acre,
based
on
this
current
design
on
a
3.21
acre
lot
for
10
residences.
The
total
density
is
3.1
units
of
the
acre,
so
it's
below
the
maximum
allowable
improvements
associated
with
the
proposed
project,
as
I
previously
mentioned,
are
going
to
be
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
along
kelly
road
and
then
you're
going
to
have
sidewalk
improvements
along
on
lynn
road.
J
As
far
as
the
residential
plan
development
goes
you're
going
to
have
a
mix
of
one
and
two
story,
residences
at
a
maximum
of
25
feet
in
height,
there
is
one
restriction
on
lot
number
10.
That
staff
has
included
to
limit
that
that
specific
resonance
to
a
one-story
design,
the
applicant
would
have
to
come
in
with
a
deed
restriction
to
restrict
any
kind
of
second
story.
Addition
on
that
specific
lot.
The
purpose
of
that
is
to
make
sure
that
we
reduce
any
kind
of
visual
impacts
off
of
kelly
road
and
lynn
road.
J
The
project
the
residences
include
two
attached
garages
and
also
guest
parking
along
the
southern
portion
of
that
private
drive.
Driveway
each
residence
will
be
provided
its
own
separate
driveway
access,
as
previously
mentioned
associated
development
with
these
with
these
residences
would
include
landscaping,
hardscaping
retaining
walls
and
utilities
based
on
the
project's
design
and
review
of
the
development
standards.
The
project
does
comply
with
various
development
standards
as
part
of
the
municipal
code
as
far
as
height
setback
and
parking
etc.
J
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
a
lot
number
10
is
going
to
be
restricted
to
one
story.
In
model
b,
you
have
a
two-story
design,
that's
another
type
of
model,
that's
going
to
be
a
large
large
portion
of
the
constructed
homes
out
there,
they're
looking
at
two-story
design
with
3438
square
feet,
four
bedrooms,
three
baths
and
again
a
two
two
car
garage
and
then
you
have
model
type
c.
That's
gonna,
be
one
story:
a
little
bit
smaller
at
twenty
seven
hundred
square
feet,
a
three
bed
two
and
a
half
bath.
J
J
J
Based
on
the
tree
report
submitted
for
the
project
and
recommendations
from
our
city's
tree
consultant,
it
appears
that
these
trees
are
are
of
above
average
health,
and
they
will
be
necessary
to
be
removed
to
accommodate
the
residences
and
the
proposed
walls
on
the
property.
The
project
does
also
include
pruning
and
encroachment
into
three
oak
trees.
J
Those
trees
are
of
average
health
according
to
the
tree
report,
and
that
oak
tree
indicated
here
in
the
well.
Those
three
oak
trees
are
indicated
in
the
dash
green
on
the
screen
and
that's
going
to
be
primarily
impacted
because
of
the
private
road
and
also
because
of
a
lot
number
one.
As
far
as
the
the
walls
and
grading
is
concerned.
J
As
far
as
the
elevations
go
again,
there
are
three
model
types,
but
here
I
just
demonstrate
two
of
them:
yeah
model
type
c
on
the
top.
You
know
they
provide
for
a
pitch
roof.
They
include
roof
line,
variation,
facade,
articulation
and
a
very
varied
building
materials
to
enhance
the
architectural
design
of
the
building.
You
also
have
the
two-story
design,
where
they
reduce
the
massing
of
the
second
story
again
to
reduce
any
kind
of
visual
impacts
from
surrounding
properties.
J
As
far
as
public
correspondence
goes,
staff
did
provide
a
hearing
notice
at
various
levels.
We
provided
a
notice
of
application
for
the
project
posted
a
large
sign
on
the
property.
We
also
notified
property
owners
within
500
feet
so
that
they're
fully
aware
of
the
proposed
project
and
to
date
we've
only
received
a
couple
of
of
email
correspondence.
J
In
conclusion,
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
in
that
is
property
zone
rpd
and
allows
for
single-family
residential
structures,
and
it
is
within
the
density
allowed.
As
far
as
general
plan
is
concerned,
the
the
proposed
project
designed
misa
city
standards,
codes
and
policies,
the
project
is
compatible
with
surrounding
residential
land
uses
the
design
meets
well.
B
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J
Because
there
weren't
significant
modifications
to
the
proposed
project
design,
there
wasn't
a
requirement
to
update
the
tree
report.
However,
staff
did
receive
the
recommendations
and
based
on
the
on
the
current
design
and
the
information
in
the
tree
report,
the
trees
that
were
impacted
were
already
protected.
So
if
they
grew
any
larger,
they're
still
going
to
be
protected
as
part
of
the
project.
I
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J
I
J
Yes,
so,
based
on
the
preliminary
plans
again,
we
don't
have
any
precise
grading
plans
at
the
moment,
but
based
on
the
on
the
plans
that
are
provided
to
date,
you
would
have
kelly.
You
have
lynn
road
and
you
would
have
them
grade
the
property
to
be
at
the
same
level
grade
as
lin
road.
Then
you
would
have
the
wall
for
the
for
the
tract
and
then
beyond
that
wall.
It
would
then
have
a
manufactured
slope.
Dropping
the
elevation.
I
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J
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H
Thank
you,
chair
bus
and
thank
you,
mr
contreras,
for
your
report
going
back
to
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
commission
mcmahon's
question
as
to
the
grading,
I
understand
from
lynn
the
other
way,
but
you
said
it
was
an
ascending
process.
Where
is
the
water
going
to
be
draining?
That's
coming
down
the
ascending
slope.
K
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I'm
brad
bussell
in
the
public
works
department.
Yes,
as
carlos
stated
everything
slopes
to
the
west
and
then
once
it
gets
to
kelly
road
that
she
flows
down
the
gutters
until
it
gets
to.
I
believe,
it's
galway
and
then
there
it
gets
picked
up
in
our
storm
drain
system
and
then
goes
across
the
freeway
from
there.
H
J
Yes,
based
on
the
tree
report
and
you
know,
site
investigation,
we
know
that
there's
one
oak
tree
at
that
corner
and
then
there's
I
probably
show
this
better
on
the
plans,
because
it
shows
you
here
you
have.
You
have
one
oak
tree,
give
me
one
second,
okay,
so
you
see
here
you
have
kelly
road
and
you
have
lynn
road.
You
have
one
existing
oak
tree
to
be
removed
here
at
this
corner,
and
then
we
have
the
other
oak
tree
along
the
eastern
property
line
to
be
removed.
H
H
J
Based
on
the
design
of
the
home,
you
have
a
significant
amount
of
gradients
going
to
occur
on
the
property
and
I
believe,
there's
also
going
to
be
proposed
walls
out
there
and
based
on
the
tree's
health.
I
understand,
based
on
again
the
memorandum
that
we
received
from
the
city's
tree
consultant
that
that
tree
would
not
survive
any
kind
of
encroachment.
Okay,
all
right.
G
K
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
my
final
question.
Coming
back
to
the
oak
trees,
which
is
on
page
eight
of
the
staff
report,
it's
it's
a
bit
vague
on
the
question
of
whether
the
six
replacement
trees
that
would
go
in
to
replace
the
two
that
are
coming
out
are
those
six
replacement
trees.
Is
it
feasible
to
put
all
of
those
on
site.
J
Well,
it
appears
that
there
is
enough
area
on
the
subject
property
to
place
those
replacement
trees
on
site.
However,
we
do
have
a
condition
of
approval
applied
to
the
project
requiring
that
the
applicant
provide
a
tree
location
map
before
they
go
into
any
kind
of
grading,
so
you
can
identify
the
appropriate
locations
of
those
replacement,
trees
and
then
cross
check
that
with
our
city
street
consultant
to
make
sure
that
those
trees
will
survive
and
where
they're
going
to
be
located.
G
J
L
M
L
Okay,
the
other
one
again
from
my
own
notification
is,
with
regard
to
the
cross
slope,
just
eyeballing
it
assuming
a
40-foot
roadway.
It
looks
like
there's
about
a
five
percent.
Cross-Slope
sloping
towards
the
neighbors
is
that
within
the
city's
development
code,
or
at
least
designed
for
private
streets.
K
K
J
There
wasn't
a
specific
noise
study
prepared
for
the
project.
You
know
through
the
mitigating
neck
deck.
The
environmental
consultant
did
identify
that
the
project
wouldn't
result
in
any
major
significant
impacts
and
and
staff
can
indicate.
Perhaps
because
you
have
residential
uses
and
you're
going
to
have.
You
know,
10
single
family
homes
out
there,
not
a
more
intensive
land
use
that
would
have
more
noise
impacts.
So
you
know
as
part
of
the
environmental
review
process.
We
didn't
require
any
noise
studies
based
on
the
consultant's
recommendations.
Okay,
appreciate
it.
Thank.
B
J
E
I
can
respond
to
that
chair
bus.
We
try
to
avoid
flag
lots,
particularly
when
they're
shared
driveways
between
two
property
owners,
just
because
of
the
maintenance
and
the
difficulty
in
having
neighbors
get
along
when
they're
having
to
share
a
driveway.
So
we
did
try
to
avoid
it
when
we
went
through
the
design
review.
Alright,
gotcha.
M
Yes-
and
we
look
closely
at
this-
and
the
driveway
is
as
far
away
from
the
intersection
as
the
design
has
been
as
it
could
have
been
designed.
Kelly
road
is
25
miles
an
hour.
It's
a
signalized
intersection.
So
there's
you
know,
people
will
be
approaching
their
section
and
probably
not
just
flying
around
the
corner,
because
the
signalized
intersection
tends
to
calm
traffic
down
a
little
bit
too,
and
then
we've
also
imposed
a
sight
distance
condition
on
the
property
adjacent
to
it.
So
they
have
more
sight
distance.
B
M
We
it's,
we
have
site
distance
standards
in
our
design
plans,
and
so,
when
it
comes
in
for
for
a
plan
check,
we
will
make
sure
it
meets
the
design
that
meets
our
site,
doesn't
standards
and
then
the
other
one
is
for
the
property
north
of
it,
so
that
the
wall
for
the
property
to
the
north
doesn't
impact
sight
distance
of
someone
driving
out
the
driveway.
So
it's
not
for
people
driving
down
kelly
road
is
for
the
person
who's
trying
to
back
out
of
their
driveway
that
they
can
see
up
and
down
the
street.
B
J
J
F
J
One
story,
so
when
you,
if
you
provide
just
one
story
homes
there
right
you,
it
wouldn't
break
up
as
as
nicely
as
having
you
know,
two,
a
variation
of
two
story
and
one
story,
and
again
it
just
provides
for
a
variation
in
the
design,
and
so
it
really
isn't
that's
the
way.
The
applicant
designed
their
model.
You
know
for
all
we
know
in
the
future,
lot
number
nine
it
might
be,
it
could
be
a
model
c
or
a
model,
a
which
is
a
one-story
residence.
I.
B
B
B
N
N
It's
not
apartments
that
you've
seen
a
lot
of
over
the
last
year
we
came
in
with
an
11
home
project
that
was
originally
endorsed
by
staff,
but
in
our
evaluation,
in
an
effort
to
minimize
the
use
of
large
retaining
walls,
we
reduced
the
number
of
homes
to
10.
and
you've
heard
from
staff.
Why
the
design
of
the
of
the
subdivision
is
is
as
it
is.
There
was
originally
some
thought
about
flag
lots,
but
flag
lots
tend
to
create
problems
between
neighbors,
which,
unfortunately,
I
haven't
encountered,
but
others
have.
N
All
questions
were
answered,
and
it
was
our
impression
from
the
discussions
with
the
project.
Neighbors
was
that
the
project
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
was
fine.
It
was
addressing
drainage
issues
that
some
of
these
homes
on
the
northern
boundary
have
experienced
over
the
years.
This
project
will
alleviate
those
problems,
and
this
project
was
designed
with
the
intent
to
blend
in
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
on
all
sides.
N
N
It's
down
below,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
storm
drain
infrastructure
and
other
improvements
will
immediately
and
positively
impact
and
mitigate
impacts
from
flooding
the
neighbors
to
the
north,
which
they
experience
whenever
it
rains
literally,
whenever
it
rains
the
project
before
you
is
in
compliance
with
the
general
plan,
low
density,
designation
and
just
as
another
piece
of
information.
The
future
general
plan
that
has
been
circulated
through
the
land
use
proposed
land
use
designation
in
the
futures
neighborhood
low.
N
N
What
we're
willing
to
accept
in
as
a
modification
of
the
current
condition
is
allowing
for
two
phase
phases
of
construction
of
the
homes
with
a
maximum
of
a
six-month
gap
in
between
each
phase,
so
that
we
have
time
to
figure
out
if
any
of
these
issues
do
pop
up
and
how
we
deal
with
it.
The
second
condition
we
request
some
modification
to
is
condition
number
58
concerning
driveway
grades.
N
The
plans
are
current
currently,
as
shown
are
consistent
with
this
condition.
However,
as
you,
when
you
go
out
into
the
field-
and
you
start
construction,
things
tend
to
change
and
we
may
need
a
gradient,
that's
a
little
greater
than
seven
percent,
which
is
what
this
condition
confines
us
to
now.
But
we
want
to
have
some
flexibility,
which
I
believe
the
municipal
code
allows.
N
There's
a
there's
a
a
standard
plate
6-1
that
would
allow
for
an
increase
and
we
would
accept
the
condition
to
read
as
a
says,
comply
with
standard
plate
6-1
or
that
the
driveway
shall
be
constructed
in
accordance
with
city
driveway
criteria.
Something
like
that.
We'd
be
fine
with
that
with
that,
we
are
in
full
agreement
with
staff
and
accept
the
remaining
164
conditions
as
written
and
in
conclusion,
we
ask
for
your
support
tonight
and
approve
these
project
entitlement
requests.
B
C
B
E
So
it's
about
a
10
foot
wide
strip.
If
I
recall
it
might
not
be
exactly
10,
it's
roughly
10,
it
might
be
9,
it
might
be
11
but
kind
of
in
that
range
and
to
commissioner
link
to
kind
of
clarify
a
question
you
had
as
well.
The
reason
that
that
slopes,
the
way
it
does
is
because
everything's
being
pushed
to
that
side
of
the
road
specifically
for
stormwater
treatment,
so
there
will
be
bioswell
type
material
down
there
as
well.
E
L
E
N
I
My
name
is
mosey
ardalan,
I'm
the
property
owner.
When
we
had
the
neighborhood
meeting
over
there,
we
invited
we
mailed
the
letters
to
all
the
neighbors.
They
came
very
supportive
of
the
property
and
development.
Two
questions
came
up
well,
one
that
did
not
want
big
plants.
That
came
up
right
now
and
you
know
two.
It
was
just
a
question
just
what's
going
to
happen
over
there,
but
specifically
one
neighbor
asked:
please
don't
plant
anything
tall,
because
we
have
some
view
and
we
don't
want
that
to
be
taken
away
plus.
I
H
O
H
N
F
E
H
N
B
E
B
M
I'm
very
pleased
actually
to
hear
all
the
careful
planning
and
consideration
that's
going
on.
I
don't
think
myself
or
others
are
particularly
opposed
to
it.
It
seems
reasonable.
It's
a
big
lot
there,
it's
a
good
location
to
build.
I
think
our
main
concern
at
least
mine
and
hearing
others
feedback
is
that
we
I
perch.
I
know
I
purchased
my
property
with
part
of
the
cost
of
it
was
because
there
was
a
view
and
it's
something
that
I've
loved
about
that
home.
M
M
I'm
hoping,
however,
depending
on
the
placement
of
the
houses,
whether
my
view
is
going
to
be
completely
blocked,
or
you
know,
maybe
partially
blocked
and
still
leave
me
some.
Some
of
the
mountains
for
which
I
bought
the
property
for
to
be
able
to
enjoy.
You
know,
depending
whether
it's
a
a
two-story
home
directly
behind
me
or
a
one-story,
and
if
it's
caddy
corner
a
little
and
gives
me
some
space
between
the
homes
and
I
can
still
see
you
know,
I'm
just
sort
of
asking.
M
I
guess
for
consideration
and
and
all
of
us
I
think,
love
that
particular
track,
because
we
have
that
mountain
views
or
had
and
the
the
tree.
I
want
to
say,
what's
being
talked
about
just
to
put
my
two
cents
in
on
that
tree
on
the
corner
over
there
that
you're
taking
out
it's
needs
to
go
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
dying.
It
looks
like
it
may
have
been
an
oak
tree
at
one
point,
but
it
just
looks
like
a
bush
at
this
point.
It's
just
mostly
dead,
so
you
know
no
loss
there.
M
M
M
Let's
see
if
there
was
anything
else
concerned.
Of
course
I
know
it's
inevitable
that
we're
going
to
have
construction
noises.
I
would
hope
that
they
would
at
least
consider
the
hours
and
where
they
place
lights
to
you,
know
street
lights
to
be
shining
right
in
our
windows.
All
most
of
us
have
bedrooms
at
the
back
of
the
house,
and
the
lights
will
be
disturbing.
M
I
J
I'll
begin
with
response
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
Yes,
we
can,
we
can
certainly
modify
the
conditions
of
approval
to
do
it
in
two
phases,
with
the
maximum
gap
of
six
months
and
we'll
work
on
the
language
to
get
that
clear.
We'll
work
with
our
public
works
department
to
get
the
language
worked
out
and
as
far
as
condition
number
58
exceeding
the
seven
percent
maximum
gradient.
We
can.
We
can
also
work
with
that.
J
We
don't
have
a
specific
photometric
lighting
plan
at
the
moment,
however,
that
private
road
that
cul-de-sac
would
have
light
fixtures
along
the
southern
portion
of
the
road,
with
one
like
fixture
on
the
northeast
corner.
Where
that
cul-de-sac
ends,
however,
staff
would
also
implement
other
standards
to
have
downward
shielded
lighting,
so
it
could
reduce
any
kind
of
impacts,
lighting
impacts
to
surrounding
properties
and
then,
as
far
as
the
comments
from
the
neighboring
resident.
As
far
as
setbacks
go
yeah,
the
project
does
comply
with
all
the
minimum
setback
requirements.
J
Some
lots
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac
do
provide
a
greater
rear
yard
setback,
but
the
very
minimum
they
had
to
provide
20
feet
and
then
also,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
try
to
implement
certain
design
techniques
to
reduce
those
visual
impacts
by
providing
you
know,
a
variation
in
roof
lines
pitch
roofs.
So
that
way,
you
don't
get
a
box
out
there.
That
would
then
further
impede
their.
J
J
If
we
do
more
grading
on
the
property,
it's
going
to
require
more
truck
trips,
more
export
of
soil,
and
we
want
to
reduce
the
amount
of
grading
on
the
property
to
the
maximum
extent
feasible
and
right
now
we
have
approximately
8
000
cubic
yards
of
export.
So
we
want
to
limit
that
we
don't
want
to
increase,
increase
it
any
further.
B
J
You
know
the
design
techniques
are
one
to
reduce
the
the
size
of
the
manufacturer's
slopes
that
can
create
more
visual
impacts,
because
we
have
also
specific
guidelines
and
standards
for
grading
adjacent
to
roads.
But
then
you
have
the
maximum
two
to
one
slopes
for
manufacture
slopes,
and
then
you
know
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
limiting
the
amount
of
export.
F
H
Commissioner
lansing
thank
you
chairbus.
I
just
kind
of
want
to
clarify
what
missander
was
asking
and
what
you
kind
of
pointed
out.
A
lot
of
people
may
pay
extra
what
they
think
for
views
restrictions,
but
my
understanding
is
going
to
make
sure
that
the
city
code
doesn't
have
something
different.
Is
you
we
can't
protect
it
right
unless
it's
either
a
city
code
or
an
hoa
rule,
and
neither
of
those
apply
in
this
instance
correct.
J
That
is
correct
and
although
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
required
to
provide
ccnr's
to
ex
to
establish
an
age
way
on
the
property,
nothing
has
been
proposed
on
the
project
that,
to
that
effect,
to
limit
the
the
height
of
the
structures
other
than
what
we've
applied.
So
far,
the
20
foot
25
foot
maximum
height,
so
they
don't
go
above
that,
but
other
surrounding
properties
don't
have
an
hoa
that
I'm
aware
of
that
would
have
any
kind
of
other
requirements
similar
to
that.
H
I
know
it's
always
a
tough
thing,
because
people
think
they're
paying
extra
and
tough
thing
is.
There
may
not
be
a
rule
that
protects
that
second
kind
of
a
procedural
question.
I
know
before
we've
done
applications
where
we've
actually
come
up
with
the
language
of
a
modified
condition
on
the
spot.
It
sounds
like
we're
going
to
do
this
subject
to
a
further
language
later
on.
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
how
will
we
approving
or
not
approving
that
is.
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
contreras
referenced
allowing
driveways
up
to
15
grade
and
I
believe
we've
had
other
cases
where
that
was
the
case.
The
condition
58
as
it's
currently
ref
written
references,
some
part
of
the
municipal
code.
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
the
specific
reference
says,
but
it
that
says
seven
percent.
So
my
question
is
what
is
the
guiding
or
what
is
the
authoritative
reference
here
is?
Is
it
fifteen
percent
or
seven
percent.
E
Thank
you
chair,
commissioner.
Newman,
the
code
section
that's
referenced
pertains
to
non-residential
projects,
so
the
driveway
grades
would
have
could
not
exceed
seven
percent
in
a
commercial
or
industrial
type
project
standard
plate.
6-1
allows
for
up
to
15
for
residential
driveways
and
that's
what
we're
referencing.
G
H
C
So
then,
for
58
it
would
be
driveway
and
parking
lot
grades.
The
driveway
and
parking
lots
shall
be
designed
as
depicted
on
grading
within
the
project
plan
set
date
stamped
august
12
2020.
The
driveway
should
not
exceed
a
gradient
of
what
is
permitted
at
15,
which
is
permitted
under
plate
number
6-1
and
with
the
commission's
approval.
C
B
I
Hi,
this
is
mozi
ardalan,
again
the
property
owner.
We
do
accept
what
was
just
discussed
on
the
two
items
and
if
I
may
address
the
beautiful
lady
sitting
here,
we
checked
that
the
day
that
we
were
there.
I
forgot
the
name
of
the
people
that
came
by
your
neighbors,
the
with
the
dropping
of
the
grade
and
as
far
as
back
as
the
homestead
and
the
the
blue
that
you
saw
there
showed
part
of
the
land.
I
The
homes
are
actually
going
to
be
smaller
and
currently
you
have
to
look
up
to
see
the
mountains
and
I
don't
think
it's
gonna.
Well,
I
don't
think
it's
gonna
be
an
effect
because
the
houses
sit
so
far
back
and
they're
gonna
be
lowered,
so
hopefully
it
won't
be
any
impact
yeah.
One
other
comment
that
could
be
an
issue
that
we
received
was
a
young
lady
stopped
by
and
wanted
the
street
named
after
her
seriously.
So
I
said
I
know
it
wasn't
you
so
I
said
to
be
fair.
B
B
K
N
Thank
you,
tom
cohen
thousand
oaks
and
and
your
question
was
actually
mr
ardellan's
question
to
me
last
week.
It's
we'll
have
to
carve
that
out
as
we
draft
the
ccnr's,
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
that
they're
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
the
entire
road,
but
they
will
be
held
to
other
standards
and
requirements
as
it
relates
to
you
know
how
the
house
is
utilized.
B
L
I'd
make
a
motion
to
adopt
a
resolution
approving
tentative
track
map
2018-70478
residential
plan
development,
2018-70479
oak
tree
permit
2018-70480
and
make
it
a
minute.
I
almost
got
it
mitigated
negative
declaration
2020-70459
based
on
the
findings
and
subject
to
the
conditions
contained
in
the
resolution
as
amended
this
evening.
Thank
you.
H
Commissioner
lansin
please
thank
you,
commissioner.
Our
chair
bus,
I
I've
driven
by
this
property
for
21
years
on
my
way
to
work
and
I'm
so
happy
to
see
that
something
hopefully
is
planned.
That
looks
as
good
as
it
does,
and
thank
you,
mr
artelon,
for
for
taking
responsibility
for
this
process
reaching
out
to
the
public,
doing
something
that
really
looks
like
it's
a
nice
benefit
for
the
community
missander.
I
think
also
it'll,
hopefully
help
your
property
values
by
the
way
in
terms
of
having
a
nice
new
project
nearby.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
too
will
support
this
project.
We're
never
happy
to
see
oak
trees
get
taken
out
anywhere,
especially
if
they're
in
reasonably
good
health,
as
these
two
are.
But
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
her
city
guidelines,
they
will
be
replaced
with
six
trees
so
three
times
more
than
what
was
there
and
it
sounds
like
they
will
be
on
the
same
property.
E
D
I
J
J
J
As
far
as
planning
commission
review,
when
staff
typically
gets
a
request
for
a
parking
reduction,
staff
can
approve
those
at
in
a
staff
level.
Administrative
level
by
director
approval,
if
it's
up
to
ten
percent.
Once
you
go
beyond
that,
based
on
the
municipal
code,
the
only
authority
to
approve
that
would
be
the
planning
commission,
which
is
why
the
project
is
before
you
tonight.
J
Since
91,
not
much
activity
happened
as
far
as
as
medical
office
and
other
retail
uses
that
furniture
store
remained
furniture
stores,
approximately
20
000
square
feet
in
2015,
roger
dunn
established
their
use
on
the
property.
They
took
up
about
7
940
square
feet
of
that
existing
furniture
store,
building
that
left,
12,
060
square
feet
or
10
438
square
feet
net
for
the
furniture
store
use.
That's
existing
on
the
site
today,.
J
J
Those
buildings
were
constructed
in
the
1960s
through
a
different
development
permit
and
then
the
subject
property.
That's
in
question
tonight
you
have
medical
office
uses
along
the
northern
portion
of
the
property.
You
have.
The
furniture
store
building
indicated
in
yellow
roger
dunn
is
immediately
north
of
that
yellow
polygon,
where
I
indicate
the
furniture
store
and-
and
you
have
different
points
of
access
to
the
subject
property.
You
have
one
point
of
access
off
of
camino
dos
rios,
which
is
a
shared
access
through
the
property
that
bisects
it.
J
You
have
the
101
off
ramp
there
to
the
southwest,
and
so
this
is
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
the
delay
of
the
land
is
for.
This
proposed
parking
reduction
project
before
you
tonight,
oh,
and
I
wanted
to
mention-
you
also
have
commercial
uses
across
hillcrest
and
across
camino
dos
rios.
So
here
is
a
photograph
of
the
subject
site
right.
There
you
have
the
the
existing
20
000
square
foot.
Building
on
the
right-hand
side.
J
As
far
as
the
project
details
go
as
mentioned
earlier,
the
project
the
proposed
project
involves
authorizing
a
parking
reduction
to
accommodate
additional
retail
uses
within
the
existing
10
438
square
foot.
Furniture
store
the
site
currently
provides
146
parking
spaces,
while
the
municipal
code
requires
163..
J
J
The
initial
study
cited
parking
activity
details
from
november
of
2020
during
the
height
of
the
covet
pandemic,
due
to
the
reduced
parking
demand
resulting
from
the
stay
at
home
order,
staff
indicated
that
that
the
applicant
should
present
information.
That
is
more,
that
more
accurately
represents
the
actual
parking
demand
on
the
subject
property.
J
As
far
as
the
parking
demand
goes,
this
table
here,
which
was
provided
in
the
in
the
staff
report,
indicates
the
municipal
code
requirements
for
the
existing
uses
on
the
subject
property.
As
indicated
here,
you
have
professional
office,
you
know
11
642
square
feet.
You
have
medical
office
existing,
you
have
general
commercial,
you
have
the
existing
furniture
store
at
10
438
square
feet.
You
also
have
educational
uses
and
also
restaurant
uses
based
on
the
uses
and
the
parking
ratios
indicated
here.
J
So
you
know,
staff
does
rece
did
staff
did
receive
the
parking
study
and
provided
a
site
analysis.
However,
staff
did
visit
the
site
just
to
verify
not
only
the
parking
studies,
field
investigation,
but
our
own
investigation
and
so
staff
visited
the
site
on
july
13th
of
2021
at
2
pm
and
here
on
the
top
left.
J
You
see
a
picture
of
the
site
looking
to
the
southeast,
there's
the
wendy's
drive-through
building
and
you
can
see
there's
available
parking
provided
on
the
site
on
the
top
right
hand,
side
you
have
the
existing
roger
dunn
building
and
that
furniture
store
again.
This
is
the
the
parking
condition
and
supply
during
that
time,
at
2
pm
the
lower
left
hand
side,
you
have
a
shot
looking
towards
the
southwest
towards
that
roger
dunn,
building,
roger
dunn,
lee
space
and
again
this
is
all
demonstrating
the
supply
on
the
property
at
2
p.m.
J
On
a
weekday
and
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
side
I
photographed
the
office
uses
along
the
western
and
northern
portion
of
the
property,
a
little
bit
more,
a
little
bit
more
activity
shown
on
the
bottom
right,
and
then
staff
also
took
a
picture
of
the
site
on
july
15th.
It
was
a
thursday
at
5
p.m,
and
so
on
the
top
left.
You
have
the
subject
property
again,
looking
at
wendy's
and
parking
availability
and
supply,
and
then
you
have
the
top
right.
J
You
have
the
roger
dunn
leaf
space
and
that's
looking
towards
the
south
and
again
it's
it
appears
to
be
somewhat
vacant,
and
then
you
have
on
the
bottom.
You
have
the
the
office
uses.
This
is
down
that
shared
driveway
access
towards
west
hillcrest
drive
and
again
there
seems
to
be
a
more
supply
on
the
property.
J
As
far
as
public
correspondence
goes,
staff
did
provide
public
hearing
notice
to
property
owners
within
500
feet.
We
did
install
a
large
sign
since
january
of
2021,
indicating
the
proposed
parking
reduction
and
the
applicant
did
update
their
sign
based
on
the
current
hearing
tonight,
to
make
sure
that
anybody
interested
in
the
project
would
be
able
to
make
it
to
the
hearing
and
provide
their
comments
and
then,
as
far
as
public
correspondence
to
date,
staff
has
not
received
any
on
the
proposal.
J
In
conclusion,
based
on
the
analysis
of
the
project,
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
land
use,
designation
of
commercial,
it
is
compatible
with
surrounding
commercial
uses,
commercial
uses
are
allowed
in
the
c2
zone,
so
office.
Retail
use
is
consistent
with
the
c2
zone
and
also
retail
use
consistent
with
the
c2
zone.
The
project
meets
all
the
city's
standards,
codes,
policies
and
guidelines,
inclusive
of
the
parking
reduction
request.
J
Conditions
of
approval
have
been
applied
to
the
project,
to
minimize
impacts
to
the
surrounding
properties,
and
the
project
would
not
be
detrimental
to
public
health,
safety
and
welfare.
That
concludes
oh
sorry.
The
staff
recommends
that
the
planning
commission
approve
the
development
permit
major
modification,
2020
70704,
based
on
the
parking
analysis
and
the
findings
and
the
sub
and
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
in
the
draft
resolution.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
B
L
L
J
Yeah
so
part
of
the
parking
sorry,
the
parking
study
does
have
the
data
of
2009
and
from
and
the
applicant
consultant
can
explain
in
more
detail,
but
they
wanted
to
provide
that
information,
because
that
gave
us
a
little
bit
more
conservative
parking
counts
in
that
time
because
it
was
more.
There
was
more
occupancy
on
the
site,
however,
when
they
submitted
their
parking
study
in
2020
and
21,
they
really
didn't
have
the
necessary
data
to
give
us
the
more
conservative
accounts,
so
they
use
09
as
a
comparative
measure,
but
I'll.
J
L
H
J
You
know,
based
on
staff
site
investigation,
I
mean
this
specific
project
is
being
parked
for
the
specific
location
right,
which
I
showed
the
property
lines,
and
I
showed
that
they
have
medical
office
buildings
to
the
north.
So
that's
specific
to
this
project.
The
parking
account
as
part
as
far
as
the
parking
requirements
go
for
the
municipal
code
and
also
parking
demand
based
on
the
parking
study
staff,
did
verify
and
notice
that,
based
on
our
site,
investigation
that
you
know
vehicles
did
use
the
other
commercial
properties
to
the
west.
J
So
we
concluded
that
perhaps
traditionally
people
that
patrons
that
visit
the
site
if
they
can't
find
parking
at
the
roger
dunn
shopping
center,
they
would
park.
You
know
at
the
at
the
shopping
centers
to
the
west.
We
didn't
find
any
kind
of
restriction
to
do
so.
We
did
find
again
that
shared
access
agreement
that
that
bisects,
the
property
we
did
investigate
the
other
developments
constructed
in
1960,
but
we
didn't
find
any
kind
of
indication
that
there
was
any
restriction
of
shared
parking
use.
J
We
did
find
one
old
document
that
indicated
that
there
was
there
would
be
some
share
parking
agreement
that
it
was
that
it's
that
building,
where
there's
a
coffee
shop,
existing
right
now,
just
west
of
that
el
pollo
loco.
They
had
a
share
parking
agreement
with
the
property
to
the
south.
Where
you
have
that
motel
that
everybody
would
be
able
to
use
the
parking
there.
J
J
H
I
haven't
been
here
that
long,
but
long
enough
that
I
don't
think
I've
ever
handled
a
situation
where
we
have
a
hypothetical
use
of
a
property
in
terms
of
what
you're
looking
at
the
potential
parking
needs.
Why
is
it
we're
going
to
that
as
opposed
to
waiting
until
they
have
an
actual
new
use
of
the
property,
to
figure
out
what
would
make
sense.
J
H
J
Well,
through
staff
evaluation,
I
mean
we
looked
at
the
history
of
the
property.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
was
a
deed
restriction
to
prohibit
medical
office
uses
that
was
lifted
based
on
the
parking
analysis
that
was
done
at
that
time
in
the
1990s
right,
and
so
what
what
we've
done
now,
since
we
have
an
applicant
requesting
a
parking
reduction,
you
know
by
effectively
converting
that
furniture
store
that
has
less
municipal
code
parking
requirements
than
a
retail
use.
J
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
applied
the
correct
conditions
in
this
case,
adding
the
conditions
of
approval
that
would
allow
for
re-evaluation
and
also
restricting
more
intense
uses
into
that
specific
leaf
space.
So
you
wouldn't
get
a
restaurant
use
that
has
or
a
gym
or
a
fitness
facility
that
would
have
a
more
intense
and
more
impact
on
parking
supply.
So
we
we
tried
to
evaluate
the
project
as
best
as
possible,
using
a
parking
study,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
with
parking
accounts
that
were
taken
during
the
pandemic.
J
J
We
evaluate
the
project
and
we
use
our
that
analysis
on
the
parking
study,
our
field
investigation
and
apply
the
appropriate
the
appropriate
conditions
of
approval
again
and
if
the
study
demonstrates
that
they
have
enough
enough
supply
to
meet
the
demand
which
they
have
demonstrated
that
to
us,
we
would
be
recommending
approval
with
specific
conditions
on
that
project.
So
that
way
it
doesn't
end
up
having
to
be
a
president-setting
matter
again.
We
evaluate
every
project
on
the
case-by-case
basis,
and
this
is
how
we
evaluated
this
project
specifically.
E
B
G
Following
up
on
a
couple
of
points,
commissioner
lansin
raised.
Firstly,
with
regard
to
a
very
successful
business.
We
all
hope
for
that
that
it
comes
in
here.
Commissioner
lansing
was
asking
a
basically
a
one-off
case
where,
if
someone
drives
into
the
lot
and
because
the
business
is
successful,
they
need
to
go
somewhere
else.
I'm
asking
a
longer
term
question
about
process.
G
What,
if
it
turns
out
over
time
that
this
is
an
ongoing
problem?
There
is
condition
14
as
part
of
this
application
that
describes
the
process,
but
I
didn't
fully
follow
the
way
that
works.
So
my
question
is:
can
you
boil
that
down
and
describe
how
what
recourse
another
tenant
would
have
or
the
city
would
have
if
it
turns
out
that
the
parking
reduction
here
is
turns
out
to
be
insufficient.
C
It
does
permit
you
to
make
this
evaluation
based
on
the
evidence
as
presented
to
you.
So
that's
why
you
have
the
testimony
from
mr
contreras
and
staff
plus
also
the
various
traffic
reports,
what
this
commission,
what
this
condition
number
14
does
is
when
we
look
at
problems
with
parking
and
problems
with
traffic,
it's
about
the
traffic
impact,
and
so
we
we
look
at
it
as
a
nuisance
and
so
to
abate
the
nuisance.
G
C
Yeah
great
question:
it
is
when
you
talk
about
nuisances
now
you're
talking
about
a
public
nuisance,
and
so
you
have
a
verified
complaint.
So
what
we
would
do,
whether
it's
code
or
whether
it's
someone
in
planning
or
an
inspector
of
some
kind,
they
receive
complaints,
and
then
they
have
to
verify
those
complaints
before
you
would
take
the
next
step
and
go
to
this
level
of
intensity
where
you
are
meeting
with
the
applicant
and
going
through
a
process.
But
yes,
it
is
something
in
which
it
can
be
from
from
anyone
who's.
C
Very
you
know,
who's
complaining
and
then
what
we
have
to
do
is
verify
that
we
don't
for
any
nuisance,
that
we
would
have.
We
don't
just
say:
oh
okay,
someone
complained,
we
must
go
and
send
give
them
a
citation.
It's
actually
something
in
which
we
investigate,
but
you
are
correct.
That
would
be
the
catalyst
for
starting
that
procedure
and
review.
C
Correct
absolutely
correct
what
it
really
happens
is
when
you
get
a
complaint,
then
we
have
to
verify
the
complaint,
and
then
this
this
condition
is
a
mechanism
for
a
procedure
that
staff
felt
would
be
a
fair,
reasonable
way
of
trying
to
trying
to
alleviating
a
nuisance.
And
again,
the
biggest
issue
goes
back
to.
This
is
where
there's
a
case
where
traffic
is
impacting
the
streets
itself,
not
necessarily
within
the
interior
of
the
of
the
complex
but
into
the
public
streets,
and
that
is
where
we
get
that
abasement
of
a
nuisance.
C
Yeah-
and
I
do
not
know
the
the
lease
agreement
with
the
applicant
and
and
all
the
tenants
but
or
the
owner
and
the
tenants,
but
sometimes
those
leases
have
a
guaranteed
amount
of
spaces
that
are
permitted
for
each
business
and
then
those
are
articulated
through
the
signage
for
those
spaces
in
the
interior
parking
lot,
because
tenants
are
purchasing.
If
you
will,
through
the
lease
a
set
amount
that
they're
trying
to
be
guaranteed
for
it.
G
Okay,
beyond
condition
14.
Another
question
commissioner
lanson
raised
was
the
question
of
precedent
and
he
asked
if
there
was
a
concern
about
that
mr
contreras
answered
narrowly.
He
his
answer
was
correct,
that
that
there
is
precedent
within
this
property
for
changing
its
parking
setup
and
that's
true
and
he's
done
a
nice
job
of
outlining
the
history
of
that
over
time.
G
C
C
This
is
why
the
the
code
is
written
in
that
way
is
to
say
if
it's
a
10
or
less
reduction,
it
can
go
to
the
planning
director,
but
if
it's
more
than
that,
it
has
to
go
to
the
commission,
because
it
is
more
significant.
So
it's
not
a
precedent.
It's
more
of.
We
don't
see
this.
This
triggered
that
often,
and
so
then
it
goes
through.
Okay,
under
this
code
section
there's
a
process
to
go
through
in
front
of
you
and
they
need
to
establish
that
yeah
they
can
meet
their
parking
needs.
C
J
G
G
I
know
there
was
a
significant
decrease
in
economic
activity
in
2009
and
it
would
be
useful
to
have
some
third
party
independent
view
of
how
valid
that
is
as
a
starting
point
in
making
our
decision
tonight.
Anyway.
That's
really
a
comment,
not
a
question,
so
that's
that's
really.
All
I
have
thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
B
I
am
baffled
and
was
baffled
when
I
read
this
report
that
furniture
is
stores
are
not
considered
a
retail
environment.
Can
you
explain
that
to
me
how
how
we
compartmentalize,
what
retail
environments
are
actually
retail
environments
and
what
makes
a
retail
environment
more
retail
than
a
furniture
store.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
chairbus,
that's
a
very
good
question.
The
staff
report
alluded
to
it
being
more
of
a
warehousing
type
situation
because
that's
how
it
functions
where
all
the
product
is
typically
on
the
floor,
so
you're
not
having
areas
that
are
designated
as
specific,
separate
retail
establishments
or
environments.
So
it
was
only.
It
is
a
retail
establishment.
B
E
B
And
stuff
like
that,
okay,
okay,
that
makes
sense
to
me
now
the
other
question
I
have
which
wasn't
clear
to
me
from
reading
this
or
going
out
to
the
site.
The
number
of
physical
spaces
at
this
site
is
not
changing.
Am
I
incorrect
about
that,
or
is
the
number
of
physical
spaces
changing
we're?
Just
changing
the
designation,
which
changes
the
allocation
amount
that
they're
requiring
correct?
That
is
correct.
J
B
F
Good
evening
mark
sellers
president
of
thousand
oaks
we're
here
to
basically
ask
for
some
relaxation
of
the
city's
parking
requirements
that
were
set
a
long
time
ago,
and
that's
basically
because
we
have
a
vacant
space
that
we
can't
lease
to
anybody.
Furniture
businesses
are
struggling
and
the
property
manager
can
talk
about
that
a
little
bit.
F
F
That's
the
situation
that
retail
is
facing
today
and
I
think
the
parking
standards
are
even
tougher
because
I
have
office
clients
that
are
thinking
of
tearing
down
their
office
structures,
because
the
stay
at
home,
the
remote
workplace,
is
starting
to
take
over
the
general
office
and
corporate
effort
to
downsize
and
get
people
to
stay
at
home.
In
fact,
I
just
was
reading
this
morning
that
something
like
69
percent
of
the
people
that
adopted
a
dog
in
the
last
couple
years
say
they're
going
to
go
to
a
different
job.
F
So
what
I
was
told
long
time
time
ago
by
rick
caruso
that
it's
far
worse
to
have
an
empty
store
than
an
empty
space
in
your
parking
structure
and
he's
a
fairly
smart
guy.
He
knows
what
he's
doing
so,
we're
here,
asking
for
a
little
relaxation,
we
hired
walker
consultants
and
expert
in
this
area
and
they
can
go
into
their
qualifications.
F
What
basically
we're
trying
to
say
is
that
this
space
it
was
mentioned
that
why
don't
we
have
a
use
for
it?
It
took
us
a
year
to
get
to
this
hearing
no
way,
are
you
going
to
find
a
tenant
for
a
space
and
say
wait
a
year
until
I
get
a
word
back
from
the
planning
commission
on
whether
you
can
go
in
or
not?
F
That's
just
not
going
to
happen
so
we're
here
tonight
to
ask
for
general
retail,
so
the
property
manager
has
a
chance
to
find
a
tenant
for
that
space,
rather
than
just
let's
roll
the
dice
and
come
back
and
hopefully
get
the
planning
commission
to
approve
it.
So
that's
the
goal
here
and
with
that
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
the
property
manager
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
his
struggles
and
trying
to
find
a
furniture
store
that
wants
that
space.
F
In
fact,
the
space
is
empty
now,
because
the
mattress
store
that
was
in
there
probably
hadn't
paid
rent
for
almost
over
a
year.
So
it's
it's
been
a
real
struggle
that
space,
even
though
we
had
a
use
of
furniture
use
in
there,
they
were
they
were
struggling,
and
with
that
mr
ortiz
and
then
finally,
walker
has
a
team
here
I'll.
Let
them
introduce
themselves
and
go
over
their
comments,
and
it
was
mentioned
about
the
recession
of
2009..
F
I
know
that
recession
very
well
that
recession
was
caused
by
subprime
loans
and
one
of
our
clients
is
a
mortgage
loan
insurance
company
and
we
we
went
through
that
quite
well.
Retail
really
wasn't
impacted,
the
housing
market
was
impacted,
the
lending
market
was
impacted,
but
that
was
really
a
subprime
loan
issue.
K
Good
evening
planning
commissioners,
michael
ortiz,
calabasas,
california,
we've
managed
the
property
for
over
18
years
and
during
those
18
years,
this
large
space
has
been
vacant
for
many
years.
Unfortunately,
at
a
time,
the
furniture
industry
has
basically
been
hit
hard,
since
2009
has
never
really
fully
recovered.
K
Any
furniture
tenants
that
we
have
been
able
to
get
over
these
18
years
has
always
gone
out
of
business,
and
in
some
of
these
tenants
I'll
be
honest
with
you
have
not
paid
for
over
two
years,
we
were
trying
to
work
it
out
with
them,
but
it
just
never
happened
so.
Unfortunately,
during
this
time,
the
city
has
lost
a
substantial
amount
of
tax
revenue.
While
the
building
was
vacant.
K
K
We
kindly
ask
you
that
you
help
us
with
this
parking
permit
so
that
we
can
fill
this
space
with
a
regular
retail
user
on
the
good
news
front.
Roger
dunn
has
been
so
successful
in
their
space
that
they
are
willing
to
expand
in
the
space
if
you
guys
approve
it.
So
that
would
be
a
wonderful
thing
to
do,
and
just
two
quick
comments
on
the
criminal
activity.
Unfortunately,
there's
a
motel
there
and
that
motel
customer
base
is
less
than
desirable
and
that
has
caused
problems,
obviously
that
spills
over
to
ours.
K
O
Am
I
here,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
hello,
my
name
is
stephan
turoff.
Thank
you,
chair
bus
and
members
of
the
commission,
I'm
the
principal
in
charge
at
walker.
When
we
did
the
last
study
in
2009,
we
were
walker,
parking,
consultants
now
or
walker
consultants
in
part
because
of
some
of
the
curb
management
and
other
changes
in
mobility
and
and
design
and
parking
that
have
happened
the
past
few
years.
O
I've
been
principal
there
for
17
years,
I'm
here
with
with
my
colleague,
tanya
schleck
who's.
Also
a
planner
here,
she's
we've
been
working
together
for
four
years
and
we
have
jeff
wechstein,
who
has
really
led
up
a
lot
of
the
shared
parking,
research
and
development
on
the
models
and
the
methodology
he
is
online,
I'm
not
sure
where
I'm,
where
I'm
pointing
okay
he's
out
in
the
ether,
but
he's
here
all
three
of
us
work
together.
O
Some
great
questions,
some
unexpected
questions,
I'll
just
say
the
past
six
months,
we've
worked
on
parking
standards,
parking
requirements
from
beaumont
to
beverly
hills
here
in
ventura
county
moore
park
carpenteria
in
the
past
couple
of
years.
This
keeps
coming
up,
you
know,
we've
we
are
seeing
the
questions
about
about
parking
requirements.
O
We
do
see
that
they
they
tend
to
be
high,
not
always,
but
with
shared
parking.
It's
about
the
timing
and
we
see
when
we
have
a
commercial
center.
You
know
when
you
have
medical
office
and
restaurant
and
retail
they
you
have
your
requirements,
we
reviewed
them.
Some
of
them
seemed
high,
some
of
them
didn't,
but
once
you
start
top
piling
up
the
peak
on
the
peak
on
the
peak,
then
you
get
a
pretty
high
combined
requirement.
A
number
of
cities
just
have
a
flat
requirement
for
a
mixed
use
center.
O
Often
with
you
know,
keeping
in
mind
that
you
might
be
20,
30
restaurant,
you
don't
have
that.
So
I
I
guess
you
know
all
that
tanya
delvin
to
the
study,
but
we
really
saw
you
know
over
the
course
of
several
years
consistently.
You've
had
about
50
empty
spaces.
There
you
know.
Typically,
when
we
work
with
cities,
we
say
you
know
we
heard.
I
will
say
you
know,
concern
about
crime
and
activity.
You
know
empty
parking
spaces,
you
know,
especially
with
the
homeless.
O
I
don't
say
with
kids
skateboarding
whatever
it
is,
you
know,
that's
that's
an
issue
and
we
do
do
the
design
of
parking.
All
these
things
come
together
in
traffic
transportation,
economic
development,
even
safety.
So
you
know
I'll.
Let
tanya
talk
about
the
details.
Again.
We've
worked
on
so
many
of
these.
It's
very
interesting.
We
are
seeing
a
clear
trend
towards
reduction
in
requirements
or
at
least
a
look
where
we
say.
Okay,
the
city
has
its
requirements.
That's
the
default!
D
D
We
were
kind
of
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
and
things
were
starting
to
open
and
economic
activity
was
was
picking
up
again
and
when
we
compared
our
our
accounts
on
site
with
the
2009
base
ratios,
we
found
that
2009
base
ratios
were
still
the
highest,
so
to
be
conservative.
We
we
went
with
those
those
highest
ratios
to
do
the
analysis
that
you
see
before
you
it's
worth,
noting
that
our
our
maximum
occupancy
that
we
saw
in
in
the
council
when
we
went
out
there
was
53
percent.
D
D
You
know
it
will
be
trending
downwards,
so
we
do
think
that
using
the
the
2009
numbers
as
a
base
is
a
conservatively
high
estimate
of
parking
demand,
and
it's
worth
noting
that
the
since
the
2009
study
didn't
have
the
retail
space
occupied,
we
did
use
what
is
recommended
in
the
international
council
of
shopping
centers
and
urban
land
institute.
Shared
parking
model
base
ratio
for
retail,
which
is
based
on
a
you
know,
mostly
auto
oriented
suburban
high
performing
shopping
center
base
ratio.
D
So
we
also
think
that
that
is
a
conservatively
high
estimate
and
so
yeah
as
you'll
see
in
in
the
study.
You
know
we
we
predict
that
there's
adequate
parking
to
accommodate
demand
during
during
our
projected
peak
period,
as
stefan
alluded
to
the
shared
parking
allows
for
uses
that
peak
at
different
times
and
the
mix
of
uses
that
are
on
the
site
do
have
that.
You
know
those
kind
of
differing
peaks
that
allows
for
for
a
lower
actual
parking
needs
during
the
period
of
peak
demand.
L
L
And
the
12
000
square
foot,
okay,
so
going
back
to
2018,
since
we
all
have
the
benefit
of
google's
street
view.
The
google
street
view
is
from
december
2018
and,
as
your
consultants
will
tell
you
that
the
parking
ratios
are
actually
based
on
the
highest
use
from
december,
because
we
look
at
the
peak
we're
not
looking
at
an
average.
We
want
to
be
able
to
accommodate
when
the
peak
is
going
to
be
so
in
december
of
2018.
What
was
occupied
was
the
furniture
store
still
there.
L
L
Covid
in
the
study
notes
that
we
have
they
were
taken
in
may,
I
believe,
and
we
hadn't
gotten
to
ventura
county
was
trailing
behind
la
county
even
with
our
tier
status,
so
we
were
still
with
orange
instead
of
yellow
back
then,
and
that
was
prior
to
reopening
on
june
15th.
So
there
may
still
have
been
a
little
bit
of
a
lag
on
there.
As
far
as
excuse
me
usage,
are
there
any
offices
in
there
right
now
that
are
closed
temporarily
as
a
result
of
coven.
K
L
K
Because
that's
the
the
size
is
such
that
it's
so
large
that
there's
no
way
you're
really
going
to
put
an
office
user
in
there.
So
our
our
feeling
is
is
that
obviously,
roger
dunn
is
the
perfect
example.
You
guys
granted
us
that
approval.
We
found
them
and
now
they've
done
so
successful
in
that
that
they've
now
want
to
expand
into
that.
Okay.
L
K
No,
they
they
just
asked
for
it.
That's
like
their.
They
said,
that's
their
standard
that
they
request
in
all
their
centers.
So
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
and
we've
also
just
told
you
know
in
terms
of
the
office
users,
we've
also
dedicated
patient
parking
as
well
for
them,
so
that
we've
tried
to
you
know
accommodate
all
needs
there.
L
I
apologize
in
advance
if
you
couldn't
already
tell
I'm
a
registered
civil
and
traffic
engineer
the
city
traffic
engineer
for
the
city
of
simi
valley,
and
I
was
a
consultant
for
12
years,
so
I
am
no
stranger
to
uli
parking
generation,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So,
my
again,
my
apologies
in
advance.
It's
2009!
When
you
developed
the
base
parking
ratios.
Did
the
parking
ratios
incorporate
occupancy.
D
O
L
L
The
base
parking
ratios
are
not
quite
what
uli
says
and
even
if
you
look
at
the
85th
percentile
parking
requirements
from
parking
generation,
they're
they're
pretty
well
off.
So
and
then
this
is
more
of
a
general
comment
than
a
question,
but
I
I
I
hesitate.
Looking
at
dedicated
parking
base,
parking
ratios
for
a
single
use,
as
opposed
to
using
more
data.
O
If
there
is
an
existing
site,
we
count
that
we
look
at
the
ratios
actually
being
generated
and
then
for
future
new
uses
like
a
retail,
then
we
use
that,
what's
typically
a
higher
because
it's
a
high
performing
result
from
from
the
uli.
You
know
international
council
shopping
center
model.
So
if
I
understand
your
question,
if
we
threw
all
this
in
a
model
I'll
say
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
the
number
came
out
higher
and
with
all
due
respect
to
the
applicant,
you
know
the
model
uli.
O
If
you
look
at
that
and
you
look
at
you
know,
I
think
we
have
in
this
report,
12
centers,
that
the
model
used
in
southern
california,
those
were,
and
actually
their
ratios
are
lower
than
here,
but
those
are
high
generating
centers.
You
know
this
is
not
like
the
oaks.
This
is
not,
you
know
topanga.
So
what
we
do
is
we
take
that
and
sometimes
we
go
in
and
we
count
another
center
and
it
can
be
booming.
O
You
know
it
can
be
trader
joe's,
it
can
be
starbucks,
which
I
think
somebody
alluded
to,
but
this
is
not
that.
So
what
we
did
is
we
said:
okay,
the
existing
use
is,
what
are
what
is
it
being
generated
and
it
was
fairly
low
on
a
land
use
by
land
use
basis,
but
then
we
plugged
in
what
is
not
there
yet
and
we
modeled
that
up.
O
So
I
think,
if
you
do
this
and
said
if
they
came
to
us
today
and
said
you
know
we're
going
to
build
the
center,
we
would
probably
come
up
with
the
same
number
that
you
did,
but
these
land
uses
are
not
boom,
you
know
the
biggest
and
highest
in
general,
this
is
an
older
center
and
typically
that's
what
we
see
is
it's
not
going
to
be
generating
the
rate
as
a
as
a
brand
new
center
sure.
That's.
L
Fantastic
yeah
keep
in
mind,
though
this
is
car
country.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
transit
or
electric
bicycles
lying
around.
In
fact,
I
think
those
are
prohibited,
so
not
a
bad
idea,
so
yeah
there
is
there
is
that
car
factor
I
did
notice.
There
is
a.
There
was
a
mode
adjustment
at
90
percent
so
for
for
the.
O
D
Sure
yeah,
just
regarding
the
the
10
reduction
that
you're
alluding
to.
We
typically
do
that
based
on
local
data,
so
we
actually
use
census
data
transportation
means
of
transportation
to
work
data.
So
you
know
we
assume
the
employees
you
know
out
of.
If
there's
10
employees
one
might
get
dropped
off.
Potentially
you
know
maybe
not
take
transit.
You
know,
as
you
said,
transit's
limited,
but
you
know
we
did
use
local
data
to
to
get
that
number.
Okay,.
L
And
then
I
think
just
my
last
question,
I
apologize
to
my
fellow
commissioners
the
base
ratios,
given
that
this
is
a
shopping
center
with
quite
a
few
shared
uses,
retail
in
this
case
and
then
on
medical
offices
offices
fast
food.
How
were
you
able
to
determine
the
base
ratio
for
each
use?
Did
you
conduct
interviews?
D
So
the
retail-based
ratio
is
what
is
recommended
in
the
international
council,
international
council
of
shopping
centers
and
urban
land
institute
shared
parking
model,
so
so
yeah,
the
the
non-retail
land.
U
base
ratios
are
all
based
on
actual
demand
that
we
saw
in
2009
and
then
the
retail
base
ratio
is
is
based
on
what's
recommended
in
the
model
and,
as
stefan
said,
it's
kind
of
like
the
high
performing
high
profile
shopping
center.
So
so
we
think
it's
a
conservatively
high
estimate
of
retail
demand.
O
If
we
assume
roughly
that
maybe
these
land
uses
are
lower
generating,
they
are
because,
like
you
said
it's
lower
than
the
model
came
out,
but
that
you
know
typically
at
this
peak,
we
would
see
this
much
office
presence
this
much
retail
presence
this
much
restaurant
presence.
So
that's
my
understanding.
It's
a
that
report.
The
2009
which
the
city
accepted
is
my
understanding,
that's
how
they
did
that,
and,
and
also
we
looked
at
it.
Yeah
in
terms
of
you
know
our
expertise.
We
said
this
makes
sense.
B
H
Commissioner
lansin,
thank
you
chair
boss.
I
I
think
city
of
thousand
oaks
is
very
fortunate
to
have
commissioner
link
on
the
commission.
Actually,
this
is
my
first
question
is
for
you,
mr
sellers.
I'm
gonna
go
more
basic
a
little
bit,
which
is
to
say
the
basic
question
is
reading.
The
staff
reporting
recommendations
is
the
applicant
in
agreement
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the.
H
F
Including
14,
which
gives
you
an
arm
to
come
in
and
say
hey
you
got
to
do
something
different
to
remove
a
problem,
and
let
me
tell
you
every
landlord.
I
know
if
you've
got
a
parking
problem,
he
or
she
deals
with
it
because
then
they
otherwise
they're
going
to
start
losing
tenants
and
that's
their
income.
K
H
H
K
No,
the
the
building's
not
designed
that
way,
it's
so
big
that
you're,
essentially,
what
we
have
is
what
we
have
there's
no
way
you
can
really
break
it
out
because
of
the
way
the
parking
is
designed
in
the
way
the
center
is.
We've
got
two
spaces,
and
that's
pretty
much
we're
going
to
be
with
that.
So.
H
H
K
For
example,
I
was
there
saturday
at
three
o'clock
and
if
you
looked
at
the
the
they
took
the
pictures
the
city
took,
the
pictures
is
you've,
got
that
corridor
standing
from
the
shared
driveway
and
that
whole
space
was
empty
completely,
so
you
had
on
saturday,
you
had
the
parking,
obviously
where
roger
dunn
is
because
obviously
they
were
busy.
But
then,
if
you
looked
onto
that
little
side
section-
and
I
don't
know
if
you-
where
is
it-
where
is
it?
Mr.
K
K
H
That
and
I
know,
furniture
stores
have
had
our
time,
and
I
know
this
spot
for
years.
There
was
a
consignment
place
there.
I
believe
before,
and
it's
it's
had
a
long,
difficult
thing
so
to
take
over
this
other
spot.
Are
you
looking
for
the
same
type
of
use
so
to
speak?
You're
not
looking
for
a
laser
tag
place
I
mean.
B
B
J
No,
I
believe
a
city
attorney
answered
the
question
regarding
condition:
number
14,
14
quite
eloquently
and
expansive
for
commissioner
newman
and
staff.
You
know
pretty
much,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
evaluated.
The
parking
study
provided
and
did
a
you
know
our
own
detail,
site
investigation
of
the
current
parking
conditions
and
just
relying
on
the
experts
here
with
parking
consultants
to
further
make
our
evaluation
and
recommendation
to
the
commission.
B
H
Thank
you,
chair
boss.
You
know,
I
think
we
realize,
when
we
do
these
city
surveys,
parking
and
traffic
are
the
top
things
that
people
are
concerned
about,
so
we
never
want
to
necessarily
create
an
issue
where
we're
setting
a
precedent.
I
think,
as
commissioner
newman
pointed
out
as
well,
there
are
times
obviously
when
you're
looking,
you
want
to
provide
some
flexibility.
H
I've
lived
here
a
long
time
and
I've
seen
that
center
not
have
a
lot
of
traffic
most
of
the
time
there
are
times
it
does,
and
that's
why
I'm
a
little
concerned
in
terms
of
where
the
overflow
would
go.
My
hope,
though,
is
that
there
can
be
something
done
with
you
know
the
different
owners
in
the
area
to
get
it
done.
H
There
is
some
flexibility,
especially
based
on
what
it
sounds
like
your
intended
concepts
are,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
to
approve
dpmj
2020-70704
authorizing
a
23.5
percent
parking
reduction
of
the
minimum
parking
required
for
the
thousand
oaks
municipal
code.
Parking
ratios
for
the
specific
business
operations
existing
and
proposed
in
the
hillcrest
garden
shopping
center
at
2800,
camino
dios
rios,
based
on
the
findings
and
subjective
conditions
approved
contained
in
the
attachment
resolution.
L
I
I
would
say,
I'm
conflicted,
I
I
don't
have
any
objections
to
the
methodology
of
the
study
that
the
problem
that
I
have
is
it's
sort
of
this
series
of
unfortunate
events,
to
quote
a
movie
title
that
we're
looking
at
2009
and
2020,
which
is
where
the
date
is
coming
from
and
knowing
what
I
know
in
the
industry
that
I'm
in
neither
of
those
years
are
in
any
way
reliable
whatsoever.
In
fact
we're
we're
not
counting
anything
right
now.
L
I
I
have
any
number
of
residents
who
are
asking
for
speed
humps,
and
I
have
to
tell
them
I,
if
you
want
your
speed
homes,
you're
not
going
to
get
them,
because
traffic
is
not
what
it
was
now
at
the
same
time
we're
looking
at
seeing.
If
you
go
and
check
on
google
google
maps
and
see
that
well,
parking
is
excuse.
Me,
traffic
has
returned
to
normal
in
the
405..
Well,
yes,
and
no
people
are
driving
more
they're,
not
taking
transit
and
transit
has
taken
a
huge
dip.
L
So
we're
in
this
weird
paradigm
shift,
and
I
honestly
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
be
sticking
with
this
work
from
home
situation.
It's
it's
an
interesting
concept
and
a
lot
of
people
are
finding
that.
Yes,
it's
worked
for
some
and
no
it's
not
work
for
others.
So
I
do
see
that
quite
a
bit
in
studies
coming
across
my
desk
to
say:
well,
we
don't
think
this
is
gonna.
Well,
do
we
know
so
there's
just
so
much
uncertainty
for
me.
I
I
don't
know
where
to
go
with
it.
L
L
We
can't
compel
an
adjacent
property
owner
to
give
you
a
reciprocal
agreement.
There's
just
that.
That
can't
happen.
So
denny's
isn't
going
to
be
compelled
to
say
yeah
we
got
to
share
your
parking
or
el
pollo
loco
can't
do
it
or
the
coffee
shop
can't
do
it
or
the
or
the
motel
can't
do
it
so
where,
where
it
ends
up,
is
that
the
if
the
retail
occupant
ends
up
generating
more
parking
demand
than
is
necessary?
We're
gonna
have
to
kick
them
out
because
there's
no
street
parking
either.
L
G
I
certainly
want
to
do
everything
that
we
can
to
help
retail.
We
all
know
it's
struggling
and
if
roger
dunn
seems
to
be
doing
well
and
can
flip
to
the
larger
space,
great
good
for
them,
and
if
there
are
talks
underway
with
another
company,
as
the
applicant
indicated
great.
I
hope
that
goes
through
and
I
hope
that
that
business
thrives
as
well.
G
Despite
what
the
applicant
said,
2009
was
a
terrible
year
for
retail
nationally,
at
least
the
international
council
of
shopping
centers,
which
has
been
cited
here,
reported
that
november
2008
retail
sales
were
its
worst
in
35
years
and
that
trend
continued
into
2009.
So
I
don't
know
how
reliable
that
is
as
a
starting
point
and
given
what
the
way
the
crazy
year
we've
just
been
through
and
and
what
now
appears
to
be
a
very
serious
resurgence
of
covid.
G
I
don't
know
that
current
statistics
are
a
meaningful
predictor
of
future
performance
either.
So
I
I
don't
have
commissioner
link's
parking
expertise?
I
don't
know
I
I
do
know
from
test
methodology
design,
which
I
have
some
background
in
that
it's
hard
to
make
to
design
a
predictive
model
using
anomalous
data
that
that
that
I
know
from
many
many
other
experiments
that
did
not
work
very
well.
G
So
I
guess
I'm
leaning
toward
allowing
the
reduction,
but
I'm
doing
that
more
out
of
a
wished
for
retail,
to
succeed
in
our
city,
local
retail,
to
succeed
in
our
city,
then
I
am
out
of
any
hard
data
that
we
have
to
support
that,
but
I'm
leaning.
That
way
I
mean
I'm
not
I'm
not
completely
convinced
that
we
should
be
in
the
business
of
granting
hypothetic
reductions
over
hypothetical
situations.
G
B
B
C
E
B
B
I
L
B
H
H
I
was
having
a
discussion
with
kyle
jory
of
the
acorn
on
on
twitter,
about
accessory
dwelling
units
adus
and
how,
on
our
website,
we
have
a
lot
of
information
that
we
link
to
in
terms
of
adus,
and
one
of
them
is
actually
a
staff
report
that
talked
about
the
costs
and
an
inquiry
came
about.
Is
why
don't
we
list
those
costs
actually
on
the
website,
as
opposed
to
linking
it
in
a
staff
report
that
people
kind
of
have
to
dig
to
find?
H
I
know,
there's
one
part,
there's
three
different,
I
think
components
to
the
cost,
two
of
which
I
think
are
set,
one
of
which
I
know
is
dependent
on
the
property,
but
some
people
were
thinking.
That
would
be
a
good
way
of
giving
information
to
the
public
in
a
clear
fashion
as
to
what
adu's
cost
from
a
city
standpoint.
E
That's
actually
a
very
good
point
and
something
that
we're
working
on
now
as
we
speak,
each
department
is
working
on
creating
more
materials
for
the
public
to
use
such
as
the
adus
and
have
data
and
fees,
and
that
kind
of
thing
out
there.
So
they
know
what
size
limitations
are
where
they
can
put
them,
what
the
connection
fees
are
and
everything
that
is
associated
with
an
adu
and
a
typical
building
permit
cost
for
say
a
750
square
foot
detached
bill
building.
So
we
are
preparing
those
documents.