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If
a
council
member
attending
by
electronic
means
loses
connection
during
the
voting
process,
staff
are
available
to
get
you
back
online
quickly.
While
the
voting
process
is
suspended,
the
staff
contact
information
has
been
circulated
to
you,
video
of
council
members
speaking
and
vote
results
will
be
projected
on
the
live
stream
when
available
for
council
members.
I
guess
we
can
skip
this
part
because
nobody's
participating
by
electronic
means.
C
We
do
acknowledge
that
we
are
on
the
unseated
territories
of
the
musqueam
squamish
and
slave
tooth
nations.
We
thank
them
for
having
cared
for
this
land
and
look
forward
to
working
with
them
in
partnership.
As
we
continue
to
build
this
great
city
together
clerk
may
we
have
the
roll
call.
Please.
D
Sheriff
fry
in
the
chair
is
present.
Counselor
car.
D
I
will
again
introduce
myself
it's
robert
leblanc,
the
last
name
is
spelled
l
e
capital
b,
l,
a
n
c.
I
am
litigation
counsel
with
the
city
of
vancouver
and
I
act
as
the
city's
prosecutor.
D
D
The
hearing
before
the
panel
today
is
an
appeal
by
the
licensee
of
the
chief
license
inspector's
decision
to
suspend
the
business
license
issued
to
her
on
december
1st
2020
for
the
provision
of
short-term
rental
accommodation
at
unit
301-333
west
pender.
A
copy
of
that
license
issued
on
that
date
is
included
in
the
evidence
package
at
tab.
2.,
the
suspension
by
the
chief
license
inspector
and
the
basis,
therefore
is
set
out
in
the
letter
of
september
27th
2021..
D
That,
too,
is
in
the
evidence
package
that's
before
the
panel
and
that's
at
tab
12,
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
tab
12
now
and
read
to
you
from
the
second
full
paragraph
on
the
second
page
that
sets
out
the
decision
of
the
chief
license
inspector
with
respect
to
the
licensee.
D
One
of
the
conditions
of
the
short-term
rental
business
license
is
that
the
address
must
be
your
principal
residence.
A
principal
residence
means
the
usual
dwelling
unit,
where
an
individual
lives
makes
their
home
and
conducts
their
daily
affairs,
including
without
limitation,
paying
bills
and
receiving
mail.
The
city
has
determined
that,
in
consideration
of
the
totality
of
information,
including
supporting
documentation,
your
submitted
calendar
bookings,
the
compliance
inspection
report
and
in
information
from
the
meeting.
D
D
We
will
get
to
mr
miyagi
shortly
and
he
will
take
you
through
the
materials
that
are
in
the
evidence
book
to
explain
the
basis
for
the
chief
license.
Inspector's
decision
to
suspend
what
the
panel
can
expect
to
hear
is
an
indication
that
the
decision
required
a
weighing
of
a
claim
of
principal
residency
by
the
licensee
against
a
number
of
other
factors,
namely
high
booking
volumes,
indicative
of
not
full-time
residents.
D
The
chief
license.
Inspector's
submission,
then,
is
that
the
conclusion
that
the
evidence
did
not
support
principal
residency
was
a
reasonable
one
that
the
suspension
of
the
license
logically
flows
from
that
and
that
the
suspension
should
be
upheld.
Of
course,
the
license.
He
has
the
opportunity
this
evening
to
convince
the
panel.
Otherwise,
before
embarking
on
the
evidence,
there
are
some
legal
and
procedural
matters
to
note.
D
The
submission
is
that
the
short-term
rental
of
the
property
in
the
city
that
fails
to
comply
with
the
regulations
with
respect
to
principal
residency
does
amount
to
gross
misconduct.
D
This
council's
power
is
to
review
a
business
license.
Suspension
is
further
set
out
in
that
section.
D
So
I
will
ask
that
the
panel
keep
in
mind
that
the
license
holder
is
entitled
to
hear
the
allegations
against
them,
which
is
comprised
of
both
the
evidence
of
mr
miyagi
this
evening
and
the
evidence
book
that's
been
put
before
you.
D
So
those
are
my
opening
remarks.
As
I'd
indicated,
the
chief
license
inspector
is
only
presenting
the
evidence
of
mr
miyagi
this
evening.
If
we
could
ask
mr
miyagi
to
please
take
take
to
the
lectern
and
just
introduce
yourself
to
the
panel,
please
sir.
B
Thank
you,
mr
leblanc,
chairperson
and
members
of
the
council.
My
name
is
koji
miyagi.
I
am
the
deputy
chief
licensed
inspector
for
the
city
of
vancouver,
I'm
also
the
assistant
director
of
community
standards,
and
today
I
have
information
regarding
the
investigation
that
led
to
this
hearing
and
as
mr
leblanc
will
guide
us
through
the
the
package
I'll
be
able
to
to
add
further
information
to
it.
Thank.
D
D
Now
you're
here
today
with
respect
to
the
property
unit,
301
33,
west
pender,
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
that
file.
Is
that
correct.
B
That
is
correct
and
I
should
probably
add
in
my
role
as
assistant
director,
I
oversee
three
areas,
one
being
proactive
enforcement
and
those
are
the
that's
the
area
that
oversees
the
short-term
rental
investigations.
D
Now,
with
respect
to
this
particular
case
file,
I
understand
it
was
initiated
for
enforcement
after
the
city
received
the
complaint
that
is
included
under
tab.
Three
of
the
evidence
package
is
that
right.
B
Yes,
through
the
chair
that
is
correct,
we
received
a
complaint
regarding
the
non-principal
residence
residence.
B
We
so
we
will
look
at
all
the
information
that's
in
there
and
then
we
will
start
an
investigation
based
on
the
research
that
then
we
follow
up
with,
with
the
information
that
we
received
and
then
depending
on
the
complaint,
you
know
it
that'll
determine
to
what
degree
or
to
how
far
we
continue
the
investigation.
In
this
particular
case,
there
was
enough
information
to
pursue
this
case
file.
If
you
will
to
at
the
end,
which
is
a
verbal
interview,
style
audit,
and
that
information
is
also
included
in
here
as
well.
D
Okay
and
we'll
get
to
that
when
the
the
complaint
was
received
in
january
2021.
D
B
That
is
correct
and
the
sequence
that
we
use
now
members
of
the
panel
may
think
the
the
complaint
came
in
january
and
then
we
got
to
it
in
may.
However,
the
the
may
date
is
based
on
the
background,
work
that
takes
us
to
do
this
and
the
volume
of
the
work
that
we
have
does
take
some
delays
and
so
hence
sort
of
the
timing.
B
However,
in
the
period
from
when
we
received
the
complaint
to
the
time
that
we
did
the
background
investigation
we
had
submitted,
we
had
requested
an
audit
notification
to
miss
chin
on
the
informations
in
the
license
that
she
obtained
the
licenses
are
issued
automatically,
and
so
therefore,
we
need
to
verify
her
primary
residency
through
the
documentation
and
and
other
means.
Okay,.
B
Yes,
that's
that's
one
of
the
one
of
the
primary
reasons
that
we
do
the
audit
and,
of
course,
we
also
look
at
other
considerations.
Safety
as
well
as
frequency
of
bookings
and
general
compliance
to
the
bylaw.
The
short-term
rental.
D
B
Yes,
through
chair,
that
is
correct
and
for
for
all
investigations,
we
do
check
the
documentation,
that's
a
fundamental
step
that
we
take
and
as
we
go
through
this
later
on,
you
will
see
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
had
obtaining
that
information.
Okay,.
D
Let's
then
turn
to
tab
number
four
in
the
in
the
evidence
book
and
we're
looking
at
here
registered
mail
to
the
licensee
with
respect
to
the
business
license.
This
is
an
audit
notification
letter
that
was
sent
to
ms
chin
by
registered
mail.
Is
that
right.
B
Yes,
so
we
we
like
to
verify
the
principal
residency
through
ideally
government
documentation,
so
ideally
through
not
self-declared
items,
meaning,
although
we
do
accept
utility
bills
and
to
a
certain
extent
those
are
also
can
you
can
you
can
you
can
request
whatever
address
on
there
and
they'll
send
that
back?
So
so,
ideally,
we'd
like
to
see
government
documentation,
and
so
we've
identified
here
primary
documentation
as
point
a
that
supports
the
residency
of
that
individual
to
that
property
and
then
being
the
strata
nature
of
this
property.
B
B
If
this
person
was
a
renting
the
the
place
in
this
case
she's
not
she's
the
owner,
but
if
there
was
a
rental,
we
would
also
ask
for
a
letter
from
the
landlord
and
then
the
other
items
are
the
the
web
listings
that
that
they
are
listing
under
and
then
any
other
information
pertaining
to.
If
she
has
assistance,
meaning
a
property
manager
or
she's
engaged
in
somebody
that
would
help
her
run
the
short-term
rentals.
We
ask
for
that
information
as
well,
and
then
we
also
ask
for
a
summary
of
your
operational.
B
Abilities,
I
guess
we
call
it
an
operational
summary,
but
it
really
talks
to
how
are
you
engaged
in
that
property?
How
are
you
making
sure
that
the
place
is
safe?
What
methodologies
do
you
use
to
engage
with
the
clients
that
come
just
a
number
of
points
that
will
help
us
understand
how
you're
operating
the
short-term
rental.
D
D
D
I'm
actually
going
to
ask
you
to
turn
to
the
last
few
pages
under
tab
number.
Nine.
D
And
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
the
to
the
first
full
email,
which
is
on
the
second
last
page,
which
appears
to
be
the
licensee
submissions.
With
respect
to
an
answer
to
that
honor
notification
letter
this
is
directed
to
alexander
holmes.
Ms
holmes
is
part
of
the
short-term
rental
team.
Is
that
right.
B
Yes
she's
the
coordinator
and
she
conducts
the
the
audits
as
well
as
leads
the
investigations,
and,
in
this
particular
case,
yes,
miss
holmes
was
also
the
the
auditor
that
interviewed
her
okay.
D
Now
miss
the
licensees.
Sorry
response
did
not
fully
answer
the
questions
of
the
audit
notification.
Is
that
fair
to
say.
B
Yes
and
so
oftentimes,
when
the
information
that
we
receive
through
this
particular
step
is,
is
not
clear
to
us
or
is
not
satisfactory,
meaning
it
doesn't
or
they're
not
able
to
provide
it.
B
B
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
interview,
I'm
sorry.
There
were
some
points
in
here
about
her
which
which
I'd
like
to
mention
as
well,
but
yes,
the
the
the
documents
like
the
the
driver's
license
and
whatnot
those
weren't
of
the
address,
the
the
the
bills
that
we
received,
they
weren't
well,
we
didn't
receive
any
actually
or
we
received
very
few.
Some
were
addressed
to
her
boyfriend
and
the
other
ones
were
addressed
to
her
parents
in
edmonton.
So
so
it
didn't
support
the
requirements
that
we
had.
B
D
And
I
am
just
looking
at
the
third
last
page
now,
which
are
the
emails
under
tab
number,
nine,
which
is
a
response
from
andrew
of
the
short-term
rentals
group,
and
he
sets
out
some
of
the
problems
with
respect
to
the
submission
and
at
his
second
paragraph
he
indicates
not
only
in
the
earlier
paragraph
that
they
need
the
strata
council
authorization,
but
that
the
bc
hydro
invoices
you
sent
a
display
in
edmonton
address,
while
the
shah
invoices
are
under
another
person's
name,
correct
unaffiliated,
with
your
license.
D
B
That
is
correct,
so
those
are
two
specific
triggers
that
we
have
in
our
investigation
that
require
us
to
look
into
a
little
bit
further.
The
information
once
again
didn't
support
the
the
address
that
she
was
residing
in
or
claiming
to
reside
in.
B
Yes,
those
are
common
ones
that
we
receive
driver's
license
is
another
common
one
that
we
receive
or
voluntarily
get
without
necessarily
asking.
Once
again,
we
would
like
to
see
government
type
and
andrew
has
stated
that
the
type
of
information
that
is
helpful.
B
And
later
on,
we'll
mention
as
well,
but
the
information
that
we
received
all
came
after
the
the
investigation
started,
and
so
this
is
well
into
may
june,
and
we
understand
that
she
had
moved
there
in
october
of
2020
and
so
that
delay
in
getting
the
updated
information
is
another
trigger
for
us
to
look
at
why
this
individual,
if
they're
claiming
to
live
there,
have
not
changed
all
these.
To
our
mind,
fundamental
documents
that
you
would
have
one
would
have
if
that's
your
principal
residence,
okay.
D
D
A
business
license
or
sorry
not
a
not
a
driver's
license.
B
No,
the
the
driver
license
had
our
understanding
is
an
alberta
license.
D
Okay,
you
did
receive
updates
after
the
notification.
Is
that
right.
D
And
that
would
be
a
bc
driver's
license
that
was
issued
after
the
notification.
Is
that
correct.
B
D
B
That
is
correct.
She
did
mention
well
during
the
audit
that
we
can
talk
to
that
later
of
the
reasons
why,
regarding
her
mail
and
why
she
had
directed
to
her
parents,
but
I
I
can
mention
that
later,
okay.
B
D
You'd
indicated
there
was
an
explanation
with
respect
to
the
bc
hydro
bill.
Maybe
I'll
just
go
back
to
tab
nine
and
now
going
to
the
the
fifth
the
last
page.
I
know
that's
a
little
awkward
for
the
panel
to
to
get
to,
but
it's
it's
an
email
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
There
is
a
date
june,
16th
2021.
D
Five
pages
back,
the
email
at
the
bottom
of
the
page
begins
with
hi
andrew.
I
have
attached
a
letter
from
my
strata
in
regard
to
the
edmonton
address.
Yes,
in
regard
to
the
edmonton
address
on
my
bc,
hydro,
when
I
bought
the
condo
unit
late
last
year,
I
had
put
my
parents
home
address
in
edmonton,
where
I
was
living
prior
to
purchasing
my
condo
as
the
mailing
address,
since
I
was
still
in
the
process
of
moving
to
bc.
D
That
was
the
explanation
with
respect
to
the
bc.
Hydro,
correct.
D
D
We'll
get
to
that,
so
I
I
think
that
what
what
we
can
take
from
what
you've
just
indicated
is
that
a
lack
of
supporting
documents
predating
the
audit
notification
was
an
initial
red
flag
for
for
the
str
review
team.
Is
that
right.
D
I
understand
also
that
you
had
an
opportunity
to
review
some
of
the
booking
information
with
respect
to
the
unit
both
on
information
supplies
by
the
licensee
and
also
through
records
that
are
shared
with
the
city
by
airbnb.
Correct.
B
Through
the
chair,
yes,
that
is
correct
and
I
do
have
a
summary
of
that.
What's
provided
in
the
package
may
not
be
as
clear
or
it's
not
totaled.
I
I
have
a
if
I
can
go
through
the
list.
D
You're,
looking
at
there
are
the
are
the
records
provided
to
the
city
through
airbnb,
correct,
correct,
okay
and
those
records
indicate
the
the
knights
that
are
booked
for
this
particular
this
particular
unit
for
short-term
rental
purposes,.
D
If
you
could
maybe
just
relay
to
the
panel
what
you
determined
in
terms
of
the
frequency
of
the
booking.
B
Yes,
yes,
of
course
through
the
chair,
so
ms
chin
indicated
to
us
that
october
2020,
so
october,
2020
and
next
actually
or
the
date
was
when
she
moved
to
301
33
pender
west
pender
from
her
previous
home
in
edmonton.
Our
records
show
her
first
short-term
rental
interaction
to
start
october
17th
ms
chen
had
a
a
short-term
rental
license
issued
to
her
october
6th.
B
So
in
the
month
that
she
had
moved
in,
she
had
already
had
six
days
booked.
That's
in
october
2020.,
then
in
november
2020,
that's
not
even
a
month
after
she
had
moved
in.
She
had
26
days
booked
that's
86
of
the
month.
B
Then
in
december
2020
she
had
29
days
booked,
that's
93,
booked
out
of
the
31
days,
20
29
days,
then
going
into
2021.
B
She
had
applied
for
2021,
short-term
rental
license
and
those
were
issued
automatically
in
january.
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
this
relatively
quickly
january
2021.
She
had
21
days
booked
february
2021.
She
had
16
days
booked
march.
She
had
13
days
booked
april
21
days,
booked
may
18
days,
booked
june
16
days
july,
21
days
august,
24
days,
and
then
in
september.
B
13
days
and
by
september
2021
on
september
27th,
that's
when
we
had
issued
her
a
suspension
notice,
but
throughout
from
june
to
september,
she
knew
that
she
was
being
investigated
and
then,
in
october,
after
her
suspension-
and
we
we
suspect.
Maybe
this
is
because
she
already
had
a
book,
but
she
had
five
days
booked
in
october,
even
though
her
license
was
suspended
in
september
or
end
of
september.
B
So
to
our
record,
ms
chen
has
one
of
the
most
aggressive
frequencies
of
bookings
of
strs
for
our
record.
D
I
didn't
crunch
the
numbers,
as
you
were
going
through
there,
but
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
total
number
of
bookings
at
the
street
was
well
over
half
of
the
days
in
any
given
month.
B
Yes,
yes,
so
I
I
did
the
percentages
and
that's
86,
93
68
57
march
was
41
april,
68
may
58
53
in
june,
68,
77
and
then
43
in
september
and
then
16
in
october
again.
So
yes,
these
are
arguably
all
pretty
much
over
if
you
average
the
soda.
It
comes
up
to
about
60,
whatever
percent
which,
which
is
very
very
high,
and
when
you
consider
the
the
covert
implications
and
when
you
consider
the
tourism
being
relatively
slow
during
that
period.
D
Some
of
those
dates
are
supported
by
the
the
booking
information
that
was
provided
by
the
licensee.
That's
also
included
under
tab.
Five.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct.
Okay,
those
records,
though
just
start
in
it,
looks
like
the
end
of
april
and
then
go
through
to
october
2021.
B
D
D
I
am
going
to
then
ask
you
to
move
to
tab
six
in
the
evidence
book.
Please,
yes,
and
if
you
could
just
tell
the
panel
what
to
what
we're
looking
at
there.
B
Yeah,
so
this
is
the
this
is
an
order.
It's
it's
a
legal
notice
that
we
post
on
the
door
and
or
we
mail
out-
and
this
is
the
request
for
a
detailed
access
order.
Now.
B
Sometimes
we
don't
need
to
do
this
if
we
get
volunteer
compliance
to
say,
come
on
in
and
and
take
a
look
in
this
particular
case.
We
had
to
do
a
detail,
access
order,
and
so
then
this
was
issued
on
july
16th
and
and
then
we
were
able
to
gain
access
in
august.
D
B
That
is
correct
through
the
chair.
These
photos
are
indicative
of
what
our
inspectors
found
and
also,
if
you
will
another
red
flag
for
us
to
investigate
further
the
the
cupboards
the
kitchen
cupboards,
for
example.
This
is
typical
in
some
ways
of
a
very
high
booked,
or
in
our
case
we
call
it
a
sanitized
unit
where
it
looks
commercialized
and
we
find
it
very
similar
to
a
hotel
where
you
have
minimal
items
of
personal
belongings.
If
none
at
all.
B
B
B
We
also
understand
that
ms
chen
owns
a
dog,
and
I
also
look
after
animal
services,
and
so
I
do
know
about
the
dog
licenses
and
her
license
was
issued
in
june,
so
this
is
prior,
so
she
had
licensed
her
dog
prior
to
this.
This
visit
that
we
had
in
in
august
and
in
nowhere
in
the
in
the
visit
did
we
see
any
dog
goods
either
dog,
food
or
dog,
treats
dog
water
dishes,
which
is
very
uncommon
if
somebody
owns
a
german
shepherd
in
their
property.
D
B
Through
the
sure
that
is
correct,
and
in
the
in
the
interview
we
ask
about
that,
and
when
we
get
to
that,
we
can
provide
you
with
the
explanations
that
she
gave
us
and
and
then
what
we
think
of
that.
D
Let's
move
to
the
next
tab,
then
so
this
would
be
red
flag
number,
three,
a
completely
depersonalized
principal
residence
that.
D
Next
tab
is
tab.
Number
eight:
can
you
tell
us
what
we're
looking
at
here
and
whether
this
has
any
bearing
on
the
decision
to
suspend.
B
Yes
through
the
chair,
this
is
a
checklist
that
our
inspector
uses.
So
we
try
to
be
consistent
with
our
approach
to
all
the
inspections
that
we
do
and
we
do
do
hundreds
of
them
and
it
does
talk
about
the
safety
aspect
of
it
as
well.
D
D
B
Yeah
so
through
the
chair,
what
we
frequently
do
when,
at
this
stage
the
the
inspection
is,
is
sort
of
a
sort
of
the
final
trigger.
If
you
will,
it
verifies
the
the
likelihood
that
we
suspect
this
property
is
not
likely
used
as
a
principal
residence.
B
So
when
we
see
this
and
the
other
information
about,
when
we
compound
all
the
information
we've
obtained
to
date,
then
we
go
to
a
interview
audit,
where
we
talk
to
the
individual
directly
and
we
have
a
series
of
set
questions
that
we
ask
and
then
we
we
like
to
give
the
opportunity
for
the
for
the
person
also
to
explain
some
of
these
things
and
and
the
anomalies
that
that
we
see.
B
That
is
correct.
Yes,.
D
And
the
practice
of
the
members
of
the
str
team
that
conduct
the
interviews
to
take
thorough,
detailed
notes
of
the
questions
and
the
responses
that
are
given
by
the
licensee
is
that
right?
Yes,.
B
B
We
do
have
two
individuals
that
record
so
and
miss
holmes
is
a
coordinator
at
shorter
rental
and
she
led
the
the
audit
questions
and
andrew
identified
here
menzies.
He
is
a
clerk
and
he
scribes
the
information
that
were
provided
so
that
we
we
are
trying
to
be
very
accurate
in
terms
of
the
information
that
we
obtain.
D
Okay,
maybe
you
can
just
advise
at
a
cursory
level
what
information
was
shared
with
the
with
the
interviewers
of
the
ssdr
team.
During
the
course
of
the
interview.
B
Yes,
through
the
chair,
we
we
do,
we
do
like
to
verify
those
key
elements,
and
one
is,
is
obviously
the
the
documentation,
and
so
when
we
asked
about
the
driver's
license
we
asked
about,
you
know
why
don't
you
have
one
in
this
particular
case?
B
She
had
provided
us
a
explanation
about
why
her
driver's
license
was
not
a
bc
one.
Although,
and
she
indicated
it
was
just
timing
that
she
hadn't
renewed
it,
but
I
do
know
from
icbc
that
once
you
move
to
bc,
you
have
30
days
to
turn
your
license
into
a
bc
license.
So
for
her
to
say
it
was
just
timing
and
she
hadn't
done
it.
Eight
months
into
it
was
was,
was
something
that's
still,
not
a
good
sign
for
us.
B
Then
we
also
asked
about
about
her
other
documents
where
why
weren't
they
submitted
earlier
with
the
correct
dates,
and
these
were
all
done
after
the
fact
we
we
asked
about
her
parents
on
the
bc
hydro
bill
and
at
that
time
she
had
claimed
that
her
mailbox
gets
broken
into,
and
so
she
felt
unsafe
to
have
her
mail
directed
there,
and
she
indicated
that
at
that
time
it
was
also
broken.
So
therefore,
she
had
used
her
mother's
address
and
maybe.
D
We
can
just
go
to
that
that
portion,
I'm
looking
at
the
notes
taken
by
andrew
menzies,
which
begin
halfway
through
tab
10
and
it's
at
page
two
of
mr
menzies's
notes.
Yes,
just
tell
me
when
you're
there,
mr
mangi.
B
Yes,
I'm
bullet,
I
believe,
is
this.
The
one
where
so
mc
is
is
miss.
Miss
chen.
My
parents
address
is
that
is
that.
D
B
I
was
looking
at
alex's,
yes,
my
apologies
yeah
mr
menzies
h2,
page
two,
yes
and.
D
Just
sort
of
start,
two-thirds
of
the
way
down
the
page,
a-h
is
alexandra
holmes
and
mc
is
the
licensee
correct.
That's.
D
Menzies
is
taking
notes
yes
and
there's
some
questions
about.
Were
you
driving
on
your
outer
province
dl
before
that?
Yes,
why
didn't
you
change
it
earlier
just
time?
Where
are
you
coming
from
edmonton
alberta
and
then
there's
a
question,
so
you
left
in
october
answer?
Yes,
why
didn't
you
change
your
address
with
bc?
Hydro?
Why
put
your
mailing
address
in
edmonton?
Yes
answer:
that's
my
parents
mailbox
the
mailbox
on
pender
is
often
broken
into
and
then
the
question
by
miss
holmes.
D
D
In
one
case,
she
provided
the
email
of
her
parents
address
at
the
time
that
she
purchased
it
and
in
the
interview
she
provided
information
about
changing
it
only
after
there
was
a
break-in
at
the
pender
street
ad.
Yes,
yes,.
B
And
that's
exactly
correct:
we
found
that
anomaly
to
to
also
be
an
interesting
point
for
us
that
helped
us
render
our
decision.
D
Okay,
the
the
other
thing
that
you
noted
there
earlier
was
some
information
provided
with
respect
to
her
boyfriend,
correct.
D
D
D
When
there
are
guests,
where
does
your
boyfriend
live
and
a
note
that
miss
holmes
puts
in
saying
that
his
email
address
is
for
a
restaurant
in
edmonton?
The
answer
from
the
licensee
was
lives
at
55
alexander
street.
Mr
miss
holmes
is
very
cagey
and
asks.
Does
your
boyfriend
have
a
connection
to
edmonton
and
the
answer
from
the
licensee
is
no?
No.
D
B
That
was
also
a
point
of
confusion
for
our
interviewers
as
you
would.
You
would
think
that
you
would
know
about
what
your
boyfriend
does
now.
Once
again,
you
know
that's
up
to
her,
but
but
I
guess
we
would
be.
We
were
suspect
of
the
inconsistencies
and
in
the
nature
of
the
response
and
and
then
some
of
the
hesitancy
of
her
responding.
B
This
her
boyfriend,
tony,
is,
is
well
account.
Acquainted
with
her
is
the
is
the
impression
that
we
got.
She
uses
him
as
the
shah
account
holder
and
and
her
insurance
as
well,
and
yet
we
find
out
later
on
that
she's
not
quite
aware
what
he
does
or
a
connection
in
edmonton.
So
in
generality
speaking
this
when
we
do
these
audits
and
and
we
come
across,
inconsistent
information
or
or
just
information
that
seems
to
in
in
the
forefront,
doesn't
seem
to
be
that
complicated
to
respond.
B
D
And
I
I
take
it
that
you
then
take
those
concerns
and
the
direct
answers
and
then
have
to
weigh
the
balance
of
the
evidence
in
terms
of
what
you're
prepared
to
accept
and
what
you're
not
prepared
to
accept.
As
as
being
true
at
the
end
of
the
day.
B
Yes,
that
that
is,
that
is
very
accurate.
We
we
also
asked
about
in
this
particular
case.
We
asked
about
her
employment,
not
to
be
nosey,
but
just
where
do
you
work?
Because
we
want
to
know
if
you
are
living
somewhere
else
and
we
have
cases
with
snowbirds
and
whatnot
or
students
who
study
overseas?
That
are
away
for
a
chunk
of
time,
and
so
we
like
to
determine
some
of
those
things
through
this
audit
process.
B
We
asked
her
about
her
employment
and
through
our
research,
we
got
the
sense
that
she
worked
in
edmonton
as
a
dental
hygienist,
and
that
information
was
readily
available.
We
asked
her
about
what
she
does
in
vancouver,
she's
doing
that
and
she
refused
to
answer
or
provide
information
to
that
nature.
So
so,
once
again,
we
didn't
feel
it
was
that
threatening
of
a
question.
B
It
was
information
that
we're
hoping
to
obtain
to
get
a
better
picture
of
her
circumstances,
and
and
yet
we,
we
weren't
able
to
ascertain
that
response,
and
so
once
again
that
that
adds
to
our
our
question
of
the
validity
or
the
integrity
of
the
responses.
D
And
I
think
I
may
have
found
that
passage
in
miss
holmes's
notes
where
there's
a
question
in
terms
of
the
employer.
D
This
is
at
page
three
of
her
notes,
we're
still
yeah
there
under
the
heading
section
to
review
the
submitted
operational
summary,
the
indication-
let's
just
let's
just
start
with
the
questions.
How
much
time
have
you
stayed
at
your
boyfriend's
since
you
moved
there
answer
every
other
week?
D
D
B
D
And
miss
holmes
then
asked
you're
still
connected
to
the
dental
office
in
edmonton
answer.
Yes,
but
the
owner
owns
a
couple
of
clinics
in
vancouver,
so
I
temp
there
question.
Have
you
worked
in
edmonton
since
you
moved
here?
Answer
no
question:
would
you
be
comfortable
telling
me
a
clinic
that
you
were
tempting
at
in
the
city?
Not
at
this
time?
No
is
the
answer,
so
you
weren't
able
to
to
verify
exactly
where
the
workplace
was.
B
D
Our
dialogue,
so
yes,
okay,
thank
you
just
moving
on
then
tab,
11.
D
We
have
some,
maybe
you
just
tell
us
what
what
are
submitted
here.
It
looks
like
there's
some
some
other
invoices
dating
to.
B
Yes,
so
so
these
are
through
the
chair,
these
were
invoices
that
she
provided
to
us
to
to
to
show
that
the
address
is
is
is
where
she
resides
just
just
to
know.
This
trust,
clean
vancouver
is
a
company
that
she
hires
to
clean.
Her
short-term
rental
is
our
understanding.
B
We
look
at
these,
but
you
know
the
there
is
a
way
weighing
on
the
on
the
on
the
value
of
this
information
because
she's
she
hires
these
folks
too.
She
can
request
any
address
to
be
put
on
there
and
that's
what
they'll
put
on
there.
However,
we
did
note
it
in
the
information
once
again,
though
these
these
pieces
of
information
are
were
submitted
to
us
after
the
fact.
D
Tab
12
then
sets
out
the
decision
of
the
chief
license
inspector
and
the
chief
license
inspector
goes
over
the
fact
that
she
considered
all
of
the
information
that
you've
now
relayed
to
us.
Is
there
anything
in
in
that
suspension
letter
that
you
want
to
point
out
to
the
panel.
B
We'd
like
to
note
that
it,
it
is
the
totality
of
the
information
that
she's
provided
we
like
to
be
able
to
convey
to
the
panel
that
we
have
taken
months
of
research
to
do
this.
It's
not
an
arbitrary
decision
that
we
make
and
we
make
careful
considerations
based
on
a
number
of
pieces
of
information
that
we
get
from
ourselves
and
also
from
the
individual.
B
I
do,
and
I
can
also
attest
to
the
fact
that
we
all
meet
with
the
chief
licensed
inspector
when
we
come
to
these
decisions,
to
to
weigh
all
the
factors
as
well,
and
so
in
this
particular
case,
we
were
not
convinced
that
this
property
is
her
primary
residence
or
it's
not
used
in
the
manner
that
mr
leblanc
had
explained
earlier
about
what
we
feel,
what
the
city
feels.
What
the
bylaw
feels
is
the
primary
residence.
D
Thank
you.
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
go
through
tab
13..
That's
the
dispute
request
for
the
or
the
appeal
request
for
the
decision
of
the
suspension.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
about
tab
number,
14.
B
No
well
so
tab.
14
is
also
our
method
of
looking
at
listings,
and
it
does
show
that
there
are
numbers
of
documented
stays
in
october
and
september
2021
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
This
goes
all
the
way
back
to
october
of
2020,
and
so
this
particular
information
is
we.
We
try
to
line
this
up
with
the
information
that
is
provided
by
the
individual,
so
this
one
goes
back
to
october
and
that's
some
of
the
information
that
I
was
relaying
to
you
earlier.
B
Yes,
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
add
that
she
had
indicated
that
that
she
believes
our
city
is
placing
judgment
on
her
living
and
in
her
specific
words,
she
says.
I
think
your
team's
investigation
is
based
on
personal
projections
and
conservative
and
judgmental
mindset
of
how
one
chooses
to
live,
and
that's
her
quote
I'd
like
to
state
that
the
intent
of
our
investigation
is
not
about
passing
judgment
on
how
one
lives.
B
The
city
does,
however,
have
rules
that
individuals
need
to
follow
when
operating
a
legal,
short-term
rental
operation
in
vancouver
by
obtaining
a
short-term
rental
license.
An
individual
voluntarily
agrees
to
follow
all
the
requirements
of
the
short-term
rental
bylaw.
This
is
not
particularly
difficult
to
follow.
In
our
opinion,
many
people
who
have
short-term
rental
licenses
do
so
and
are
following
the
bylaw
to
the
in
order
to
operate
a
legal,
short-term
rental
to
obtain
a
business
license.
B
A
short-term
rental
business
license
in
this
case
is
a
choice
that
a
person
makes
which
we
believe
they
make
at
their
own
will
their
own
free
will.
There
are
responsibilities
and
obligations.
A
license
holder
will
need
to
make
to
their
neighbors
to
their
landlords
if
that
applies
to
stratas
and
to
the
city
that
is
connected
to
holding
and
operating
a
legal,
short-term
rental
business.
B
B
Miss
chen
may
claim
that
her
301
33
west
pender
is
her
primary
residence.
However,
her
bookings
and
all
the
evidences
and
the
statements
that
we've
received
may
indicate
otherwise
and
to
the
city.
Her
short-term
rental
operations
appear
more
like
a
commercially
operated
hotel
suite
than
a
legal,
short-term
rental
business.
D
Thank
you
just
to
recap,
then.
The
the
four
points
that
form
the
basis
with
respect
to
the
suspension,
no
reliable
documentation,
establishing
residency,
permanent
resident
or
primary
residency
prior
to
the
audit
notification
is
one
that.
D
D
The
third
would
be
the
booking
volumes
indicating
over
60
of
the
time
booking
over
a
period
of
10
to
11
months.
B
That
is
correct.
These
questions
we
ask
are
intended
to
be
fairly
easy
to
answer,
but
but
the
manner
that
we
received
them
or
didn't
receive
them
is
another
indication.
Okay,.
D
C
C
Seeing
none
does
the
licensee
or
licensees
council
have
any
questions
for
the
witness
seeing
none?
Okay,
we
will
now
move
on
to
opening
remarks
from
the
licensee
or
licensees
council.
A
A
So
I
do
have
my
bc
assessment
form
here
with
my
address
on
there
that
I'll
send
to
tina.
A
Okay-
and
I
also
wanted
to
let
you
guys
know
that
my
strata
had
a
meeting
on
september,
the
23rd
and
we
were
appointing
new
strata
council
members
and
I
have.
A
A
And
the
reasons
for
wanting
to
join
the
strata
is
because
I
wanted
to
make
some
changes
for
the
better,
especially
with
the
mailbox
break-ins.
Our
front
door
window
has
just
been
broken
in
the
last
couple
of
days,
so
now
there's
just
a
wooden
plank
over
it
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
some
ways
to
make
the
front
a
little
bit
safer
for
everyone
in
the
residence
of
33
living
pender.
There.
A
C
And
did
you
have
opening
remarks
you
wanted
to.
A
C
Okay,
if,
if
that's
your
statement,
I
can
ask
if
the
panel
members
have
questions
for
you,
please
sure
panel
members,
do
we
have
any
questions
for
lenny's
chin.
C
Okay,
seeing
none
mr
leblanc,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
witness.
C
Okay,
seeing
no
questions
then
thank
you.
We're
gonna
move
on
to
closing
submissions
by
the
city
of
vancouver's
council.
D
I'm
going
to
start
by
just
indicating
that
this
is
an
appeal,
that's
brought
by
the
licensee
for
reconsideration
of
the
of
a
decision.
That's
already
been
made.
The
onus
is
on
the
licensee
to
establish
that
there
was
something
incorrect
in
the
considerations
by
the
chief
license
inspector.
D
D
D
The
only
reasonable
conclusion
that
the
chief
license
inspector
could
have
come
to
was
that
this
didn't
meet
the
definition
of
principal
residence
under
the
license
bylaw,
and
I
read
out
that
definition
to
you.
I
can
go
back
to
it
because
the
ultimately
this
panel
needs
to
decide
whether
that
was
a
reasonable
call
by
the
chief
license
inspector.
D
The
chief
license
inspector
decided
that
it
was
not
established
that
this
was
a
usual
dwelling
unit
where
an
individual
lives
makes
their
home
and
conducts
their
daily
affairs,
including
without
limitation,
paying
bills
and
receiving
mail,
and
is
generally
the
dwelling
unit
with
the
residential
use
on
documentation
relating
to
billing
identification
taxation.
At
the
time
of
making
her
decision,
the
chief's
license
inspector
had
none
of
that
information.
D
D
A
great
amount
of
investment
has
gone
into
airbnb
enforcement
by
the
city.
It's
expected
not
that
our
citizens
are
lazy
with
respect
to
submitting
information
to
establish
that
they're
within
the
parameters
that
have
been
established
by
this
council,
but
it
is
to
be
fulsome
and
diligent
in
terms
of
of
establishing
those
things
so
that
they
can
participate
in
that
regulative,
regulated
activity
and
that
hasn't
been
done
respectfully.
I
think
that
overturning
the
decision
of
the
chief
license
inspector
would
undermine
that
public
confidence
in
this
particular
case.
D
So
I'm
going
to
I'll
close
there
and
say
that
I
think
it's
appropriate
in
the
circumstances
that
the
decision
be
upheld.
Thanks.
C
Mr
leblanc
any
reply
or
closing
submissions
from
the
licensee.
A
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
information
that
you
had
with
the
when
andrew
came
to
the
place,
I
did
have
a
booking
that
was
coming
in
in
a
couple
hours,
so
I
had
the
place
all
cleaned
out
so
that
there
was
nothing
left
behind
of
mine
that
the
guest
could
take.
C
E
Yes,
sir
thanks
chair
fry,
isn't
it
possible
in
this
discussion
to
ask
questions
of
our
council
our
legal
counsel?
I.
E
Thank
you
yes,
so
my
first
question
is
in
in
terms
of
the
additional
information
that
was
provided
that
that
was
provided
tonight
regarding
the
td
mortgage,
the
bc
assessment
letter
day
trading
with
quest
trade.
The
strata
meeting
are
those
types
of
evidence
that
would
conclude
that
the
permanent
residence
is
indeed
at
that
address.
D
I
can't
speak
for
the
chief
license
inspector
on
that.
It
is
certainly
something
that
she
could
have
taken
into
consideration
at
the
time
and
weighed
it
with
the
balance
of
the
evidence,
and
I
suppose
that
that's
something
you
can
do
today
as
well
weigh
that
against
the
information
that
was
shared
with
the
chief
license
inspector
respectfully.
D
The
information
on
those
documents
doesn't
have
to
be
correct
or
reflective
of
a
of
a
permanent
residence
or
a
primary
residence
of
a
person,
and
I
think
mr
miyaji's
point
was
that
the
reason
why
they
place
more
weight
on
documents
that
are
dated
prior
to
the
audit
notification
is
because
it's
much
easier
to
cover
your
tracks
afterwards
to
satisfy
the
audit
requirements
by
changing,
addresses
or
signing
up
for
new
accounts
and
whatnot.
So
I
I
think
through
mr
miaji's
evidence.
D
E
That
that
yeah-
that's
that's
very
helpful.
Can
you
also
answer
this
question
regardless
of
the
decision
that's
made
tonight?
E
Is
it
possible
for
christian
to
actually
later
on,
have
verification
that
this
is
their
principal
address
and
reapply
for
a
a
short-term
referential
license?
I
think.
D
That
that's
a
question
for
mr
miyagi.
This
is
a
2021
license
that
we're
dealing
with
we're
now
in
2022.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
through
the
chair.
We
we
would
look
into
continuing
to
suspend
the
2022
license
if
she
was
to
apply.
B
There
are
steps
that
we
would
look
at,
for
example,
if
she
was
to
apply,
and
we
would
certainly
need
to
look
at
her
intent.
Her
operation
plan
would
be
very
important.
It's
it's
the
high
bookings
that
really
concern
us,
so
the
addresses
are
one
thing,
but
it's
the
high
booking
behavior.
That
really
needs
to
be
converted.
B
Currently
she's
listing
30
days,
for
example,
and
if,
if
you
are
listening
for
30
days,
that
tells
me
that,
well,
how
can
you
be
living
there
permanently
if
you're
able
to
book
this
for
30
days?
Okay,.
E
Thank
you.
That's
that's
sufficient
information
for
me,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
other
panelist
has
any
information
but
or
questions,
but
if
not,
I
am
prepared
to
put
forward
a
motion.
C
Sure
please
proceed.
E
E
Okay,
I
mean
well
I'll,
speak
to
you
or
I'm
assuming
it's
going
to
be
received.
E
Okay,
so
I
am.
E
My
motion
is
to
uphold
the
chief
license,
inspector's
decision
to
suspend
the
business
license
issued
to
melanie
chin,
the
licensee
for
a
short-term
rental
accommodation
of
301,
333,
west
pender
street
vancouver,
due
to
lack
of
supporting
evidence,
verifying
the
licensees
principal
residents
as
301
333,
west
pender
street,
and
so
you
know
I
I
have
to
say
in
reading
all
the
documents
and
and
hearing
the
evidence.
E
I
have
to
concur
that
there
there's
no
reliable
document
during
that
period
of
time
in
specific,
where
the
the
the
that
we
are
looking
at,
I'm
verifying
the
principal
residence,
maybe
it'll
change
going
forward,
but
we
are
looking
at
a
particular
period
of
time
and
I
think
that
was
corroborated
by
the
inspection
of
the
premises,
with
no
proof
of
well
no
personal
effects
and
real
proof
of
this
being
the
permanent
and
primary
residents
plus,
as
has
been
noted,
the
short-term
rental
bookings
and
the
volume,
the
very
high
volume
consistently
over
the
over
the
year
and
the
inconsistencies
in
turning.
E
You
know
looking
backwards
at
you
know
when
the
address
is
and
how
the
address
has
changed,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
you
know
my
hope-
is
that
this
will
change
in
the
future
and
that
after
a
period
of
time
there
you
know
if
it's
not
for
this
year,
but
in
the
future
there
is
an
ability
to
to
reapply
with
verification
of,
and
you
know,
ability
to
show
proof
of
principle.
Residence
at
that
address,
and-
and
those
are
my
comments
to
the
motion.
Thank
you,
chair.
C
Thank
you,
council
car
secondary
my
counselor
car
seconded
by
counselor
kirby
young,
all
in
favor.