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From YouTube: Special Council Meeting - November 23, 2021
Description
This is a Special Council meeting called by the Mayor under section 14.5 of the Procedure By-law to transact the agenda items set out in the agenda and hear speakers on items 2-11.
On October 5 and 6, 2021, Council completed items 1 through 8 and began hearing from speakers on Item 9. Due to time constraints, the meeting will reconvene on Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3 pm, in order to continue with hearing from speakers on Item 9, starting with speaker #37
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A
The
special
counsel
meeting
has
been
called
in
accordance
with
section
14.5
of
the
procedure
bylaw.
The
purpose
of
the
meeting
is
to
enable
a
panel
discussion
and
dialogue
with
national
and
international
city
builders
to
discuss
emerging
directions
for
the
vancouver
plan,
a
reminder
to
you.
All
no
decision
is
required
of
council
today.
The
ideas
and
input
shared
today
willis
staff
in
creating
the
draft
vancouver
plan,
which
is
anticipated
to
be
presented
to
council
in
march
of
2022.
A
Note
that
public
speakers
will
not
be
heard
at
today's
meetings,
but
may
view
the
proceedings
online
or
attend
in
person
at
city
hall.
It's
important
to
highlight
the
significant
and
meaningful
public
engagement
on
this
phase
of
the
vancouver
plan
started
in
october
and
is
currently
taking
place
through
the
end
of
november.
A
So
for
this
portion
we
then
motioned
to
suspend
rule
6.2
of
the
procedure
bylaw
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
section
6.2
refers
to
speaking
at
a
council.
Meeting.
Suspension
of
this
rule
will
provide
for
informal
and
open
dialogue
during
the
workshop
council
may
by
a
vote
of
two-thirds
of
council
members
present
without
debate,
suspend
a
rule
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
or
portion
of
the
meeting.
A
A
Yay
hi
here
are
you
any
opposed
great?
The
motion
carries
before
we
start
a
few
reminders.
The
public
can
follow
along
on
twitter
at
vance
city
clerk,
for
updates
on
the
progress
of
the
meeting.
Members
of
the
public
may
send
comments
to
council
by
using
the
online
web
form
listed
in
the
meeting
agenda.
A
So
council,
we
have
a
full
session
today,
we'll
hear
more
about
the
specific
format
in
a
moment
from
our
moderator
to
keep
within
the
designated
time
meeting
time
of
3
to
5
p.m.
So
two
hours
and
to
maximize
the
opportunity
for
this
dialogue
between
council
and
panelists,
our
moderator
will
be
facilitating
council's
questions
in
clusters
or
groups
of
two
to
three
based
on
themes
following
the
panelist
presentations,
a
reminder
that
your
questions
should
be
clear
and
concise.
A
It's
suggested
that
council
prioritize
your
top
two
to
three
questions:
to
help
facilitate
an
effective
dialogue
and
the
participatory
process.
The
panelists
roundtable
at
the
end
of
the
workshop
will
not
involve
opportunities
for
questions.
City
staff
are
here
today
as
well,
however,
in
order
to
best
utilize
the
panel's
time,
please
send
any
questions
to
staff
via
email.
E
Thank
you
very
much
deputy
mayor
carr
and
I'm
here
actually
susan's
joining
me
on
the
side
here,
but
I'm
going
to
carry
on
with
the
the
presentation
for
for
your
benefit
and
to
try
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context
to
the
work
that
we've
done
today.
So
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick
screen
share
here,
make
sure
that
shows
up.
Okay
for
everyone.
E
All
right,
so,
thank
you
again,
as
mentioned,
my
name
is
andrew
pask,
I'm
a
planner
in
the
planning
department,
working
on
the
vancouver
plan
and
just
to
start
really
to
to
center
us.
I
wanted
to
build
on
your
land,
acknowledgement,
deputy
mayor
and
affirm
the
centrality
of
reconciliation
to
our
work
in
planning
as
part
of
the
vancouver
plan
process.
E
We've
established
partnerships
with
each
of
the
nations,
as
well
as
urban
indigenous
communities,
to
work
together
in
developing
policies,
strategies
and
actions
for
the
vancouver
plan,
and
through
this
effort
we
are
working
collaboratively
to
advance
the
city
of
reconciliation
by
way
of
quick
recap,
this
is
the
third
special
council
workshop
in
support
of
the
vancouver
plan.
Our
first
two
sessions
featured
local
and
regional
voices
talking
about
long-term
planning
and
growth,
as
well
as
the
important
perspective
of
council's
many
advisory
committees.
E
E
As
you
know,
the
vancouver
plan
process
is
all
about
creating
the
city's
first
comprehensive
citywide
land
use
plan
council
launched
the
planning
process
in
2019.
We've
undertaken
two
phases
of
planning
so
far.
The
first
focused
on
early
listening
and
learning
opportunities,
the
second
on
the
identification
of
key
issues
and
areas
of
focus.
E
Three
big
ideas
that
help
to
ground
policy,
focusing
on
equitable
housing
in
complete
neighborhoods,
an
economy
that
works
for
all
climate
protection
and
restored
ecosystems,
and
three
areas
of
change
that
we
think
reflect
significant
opportunities
in
our
discussions
around
how
the
city
might
grow
and
change.
That
is
our
neighborhood
shopping
areas.
E
Some
key
themes
just
to
provide
a
bit
of
an
update
sort
of
mid
process
here
near
the
end
of
the
process.
We've
asked
people
about
their
priorities
and
to
help
us
sort
through
some
of
the
early
priorities
that
were
identified,
lots
and
lots
of
ideas
about
how
we
might
further
prioritize
topics
for
growth
and
change
and
perhaps
not
surprising.
E
E
In
addition
to
that,
we've
also
done
some
testing
around
the
areas
of
potential
change
and
the
form
that
might
take
place.
We've
asked
people
how
they
think
growth
might
take
place.
Should
we
be
focusing
our
growth
on
a
more
nodal
or
concentrated
sense,
or
should
we
be?
Should
we
be
looking
at
more
of
a
distributed
approach
for
transit,
neighborhoods
and
neighborhood
shopping
areas,
a
lot
of
interest
in
a
more
distributed
approach?
E
E
Our
city
lab
storefront
is
still
open,
there's
an
online
survey
that
is
open,
as
well
as
a
self-guided,
webinar
and
virtual
open
house,
and
very
shortly,
we'll
be
launching
an
ipsos
read
survey
to
test
some
of
the
same
questions
with
the
representative
sample.
You
can
find
all
of
this
and
more
at
vancouverplan
vancouverplan.ca.
A
A
B
C
Am
there's
an
auspicious
start,
hi
everyone.
Thank
you
for
having
me
thanks,
deputy
mayor
carr
and
thanks
to
everyone,
hello,
from
cold
and
dark
toronto.
It's
good
to
be
here
with
you.
I
found
myself
in
kind
of
a
an
unusual
position
as
a
journalist
here,
moderating
this
conversation,
but
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
hearing
how
this
goes
and
to
seeing
how
the
plan
unfolds.
C
So
I've
been
asked
to
just
introduce
some
themes
to
set
up
the
conversation,
but
I
also
just
want
to
do
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
before
we
go
any
further.
I
think
andrew
has
probably
made
this
clear,
but
we're
going
to
be
after
the
panelists
have
finished
speaking
we're
going
to
be
doing
questions
in
groups
so
counselors.
C
You
know
if
you
have
a
question
on
the
economy,
for
instance,
I'll
see
if
there
are
one
or
two
other
questions
along
a
similar
theme
that
I
can
group
together
and
present
them
to
the
panelists
as
one
so
counselors.
If
you
could
either
raise
your
hand
or
use
your
chat
function
to
indicate
a
question,
you
know
I'll
keep
an
eye
on
those
to
try
and
gather
them
together
and
just
keep
the
discussion
flowing
as
smoothly
as
we
can
and
relay
your
questions
to
the
panel.
I
also
am
going
to
well.
C
B
C
Yes,
looking
at
a
grainy
photo
of
the
west
end
in
the
late
1950s,
just
as
the
process
of
intensification
was
starting,
I
bring
this
up
because
you
know
it
suggests
just
how
cities
can
change
and
cities
have
changed.
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
difficult
for
a
lot
of
us,
wherever
we
sit
sometimes
to
understand
just
how
true
that
is,
I
think,
at
this
moment
in
history,
it
is
easy
to
feel
as
though
the
status
quo.
C
C
This
book
was
a
combination,
sort
of
history
of
the
issue
and
introduced
a
series
of
potential
solutions
for
intensification
within
neighborhoods,
including
this
one,
which
was,
I
believe,
an
award
winner
through
a
competition
that
urbanarium
held
a
few
years
ago.
This
is
a
designed
by
workshop
architecture,
which
is
called
vancouver
extra
special.
C
I
believe,
and
the
reason
that
we
did
this
book
and
the
reason
that
I,
as
a
journalist
first
became
interested
in
this
set
of
issues,
is
partly
because
I
saw
a
discussion
around
zoning
happening
in
a
number
of
places
across
north
america,
including
in
vancouver
and
in
california,
but
also
in
toronto,
that
this
issue
and
the
consequences
of
the
history
of
zoning
were
starting
to
become
very
clear.
So
this
is
a
map
which
depicts
a
pattern
which
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
to
you.
This
is
toronto.
C
The
green
areas
have
grown
in
population
between
1971
and
2016,
and
the
purple
areas
have
shrunk.
So
I'm
sitting
here
today
in
one
of
those
purple
areas
just
to
the
west
of
downtown,
which
has
a
population
roughly
40
percent
lower
now
than
it
did
half
a
century
ago.
Despite
being
you
know,
in
every
measurable
way,
one
of
the
best
served
and
amenity
most
amenity-rich
places
in
the
city
and
indeed
in
the
entire
country.
Of
course,
this
is
also
true
for
vancouver.
C
C
Downtown
is
very
clear
and
in
and
select
other
specific
areas
around
the
city
and
across
the
region,
and
then
there
are
those
big
gaps
in
between
so
you
know,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
these
issues
are
not
unique
to
vancouver
or
unique
to
vancouver
and
toronto,
not
by
any
means.
There
are
similar
issues
happening
in
silver
discussions
happening
in
jurisdictions
across
north
america
and
indeed
beyond.
This
is
an
article
from
slate
a
few.
C
I
believe
it's
two
or
three
years
old
at
this
point
that
addresses
one
of
the
sort
of
driving
factors
which
is
demographic
change.
You
know
old
buildings
house
fewer
people
than
they
did
50
years
ago.
This
is
true
in
vancouver.
It
is
true
in
new
york
city.
It
is
true
in
a
lot
of
places,
and
that
is
due
to
a
number
of
factors
that
are
pretty
consistent
across
the
west.
C
C
You
know
you
put
all
of
these
things
together,
along
with
a
number
of
other
social
and
economic
factors,
and
you
wind
up
with
cities
that
look
the
same
but
are,
in
fact
losing
people
and
that
you
know
every
time
I
make
that
point
to
someone
talking
about
toronto
or
about
vancouver,
sometimes,
even
speaking
to
architects
and
people
in
the
field.
They
are
shocked
by
this.
That
map
that
shows
the
city.
You
know,
big
chunks
of
the
city
is
shrinking.
C
Even
as
the
city
as
a
whole
continues
to
grow
rapidly
is
very
counter-intuitive,
which
makes
it
an
interesting
story.
It
also
makes
it,
I
think,
a
difficult
policy
issue
for
planners
and
leaders
to
address
and
just
to
reinforce
the
point
that
this
is
a
widespread
pattern.
These
graphics
are
generated
by
the
new
york
times
last
year.
The
purple
represents
areas
in
these
american
cities
that
are
zoned
only
for
detached
single
family.
C
These
things
are
linked.
They
were
you
know,
in
the
1910s
and
1920s,
and
in
the
decades
that
followed,
they
were
in
the
united
states
and
in
canada
explicitly
linked
at
times
and
even
where
they
weren't
explicitly
linked.
There
is
a
legacy
there,
both
in
terms
of
race
and
economics
that
continues
to
be
with
us
today,
so
the
conversation
continues.
This
is
from
earlier
this
year
in
atlanta,
where
you
know
that
city
and
the
region
is
still
trying
to
address
the
same
issue
that
is
before
you
today.
C
So
I
guess
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
come
together
when
you
talk
about
planning
policy,
particularly
about
housing
and
its
regulation,
one
of
them
is
economics.
I
know
there's
a
very
live
discussion
in
vancouver
about
the
relationship
between
adding
new
housing
and
affordability
and
affordability
for
different
people.
From
what
I
understand
within
the
economics
profession,
this
question
is
not
actually
controversial.
C
It's
controversial
in
terms
of
the
specific
impacts
of
adding
new
housing
supply
and
how
the
negative
consequences
of
building
new
housing,
in
particular
neighborhoods.
You
know
what
those
consequences
are
and
how
they
can
be
managed
in
terms
of
the
broad
question
of
you
know
whether
new
housing
is
a
good
thing
or
not.
That
is
basically
settled.
However,
I
don't
think
that
you
know
I
realize
the
politics
continue
to
be
more
complex,
and
I
think
it's
also
interesting
that,
in
this
plan,
vancouver's
planners
are
looking
at
a
number
of
other
different
lenses.
C
C
We're
looking
here
at
a
map
based
on
data
generated
by
scientists
at
the
university
of
california,
berkeley
of
the
american
northeast
corridor
and
what
we're
looking
at
is
essentially
the
carbon
footprint
to
use
the
term
of
individual
households
and
the
gap
between
the
green
and
the
red
is
roughly
a
factor
of
three.
In
other
words,
people
who
live
within
cities,
not
as
opposed
to
in
the
most
distant
suburbs
have,
you
know,
are
generating
roughly
one-third
the
emissions
per
household
of
their
counterparts,
and
this
pattern
holds
true
in
toronto.
It
holds
true
in
vancouver.
C
It
holds
true
pretty
much
everywhere
in
north
america
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
one,
because
many
emissions
are
linked
to
transportation,
which,
for
the
most
part
means
vehicle
miles
traveled
and
another
one
is
housing
size
that
you
know
as
people
live
closer
together.
Essentially,
apartments
want
to
be
more
efficient
than
houses
are,
so
you
know
I
know
vancouver,
and
its
planning
has
led
the
way.
C
I
think
over
the
last
couple
of
years
articulating
this
as
an
issue
and
connecting
the
form
of
housing
in
the
form
of
cities
with
carbon
emissions,
and
so
I
guess
the
excuse
me
for
a
moment,
please.
I
guess
the
the
you
know
what
I
find
interesting
here
and
the
question
that's
before
me
is
that
I
you
know
that
I
see
as
interesting
is
how
vancouver
is
going
to
react
to
its
current.
The
current
policy
challenge.
That's
in
front
of
you
here,
you
know.
C
If
you
look
at
the
city,
it's
very
clear
to
see
where
growth
hasn't
happened
and
where
growth
has
happened.
And
again
this
is
not
unique
to
vancouver,
but
there
are
similar
or
analogous
situations
in
basically
every
big
city
that
I
know
of,
and
I
think
we're
at
a
moment
in
history
when
political
policy
makers
and
leaders
are,
you
know,
forced
to
confront
this
question
whether
this
pattern
of
growth
that
we're
looking
at
here
actually
makes
sense,
and
if
not,
you
know
what
else
would
work.
C
C
C
So
I'm
just
gonna
do
a
quick
one
through
introducing
the
the
three
panelists
quickly
and
then
we
can
get
into
their
talks.
I
think
it
tends
to
flow
a
little
bit
more
easily
if
we
just
introduce
everybody
at
once.
So
I'll
start
by
introducing
solomon
wong,
who
is
the
president
and
ceo
of
interfistus?
C
He
is
a
multidisciplinary
expert
on
transportation
policies,
transportation,
economy
and
innovation
through
his
consulting
work.
He
focuses
on
designing
process
improvements
for
goods
and
passengers,
re-engineering
flows
of
people
in
goods
to
a
journey
to
newer
ways
of
mobility.
He
has
helped
to
implement
solutions
for
a
range
of
private
and
public
sector
clients.
He
also
sits
on
the
board
of
the
canadian
american
border
trade
alliance.
He
has
a
master
of
science
and
planning
from
the
university
of
toronto,
we'll
also
be
hearing
from
andre
brumfield.
C
Andre
is
design
director
against
field
at
gansfield
at
gensler,
the
major
architecture
from
gensler,
where
he
focuses
on
revitalizing
and
repositioning
urban
environments
through
urban
design,
master
planning
and
architecture.
His
experience
includes
redevelopment
in
emerging
urban
districts,
neighborhood
and
community
revitalization,
citywide
master
planning
and
corporate
campuses.
He
also
has
extensive
experience
in
mixed
income.
Housing
and
first
will
be
patty
rios
who
is
the
executive
director
of
new
cities.
C
Patty
is
a
global
leader
in
promoting
well-being
through
the
design
of
the
city,
applying
a
human-centered
approach
and
developing
participatory
engagement
opportunities.
Her
multi-lens
approach
comes
from
a
background
in
architecture,
urban
design,
ethnography
and
public
policy.
Before
joining
new
cities,
she
was
the
housing
policy
expert
and
research
lead
at
happy
city,
where
patty
led
the
happy
homes
initiative
aimed
at
boosting
social
well-being
in
multi-unit
housing
that
he
also
lectures
on
urban
policy
at
ubc,
so
patty
hi.
Welcome.
Would
you
like
to
kick
us
off?
Please.
F
F
Excellent,
thank
you
so
much
so.
I
would
like
to
start
by
acknowledging
that
I'm
joining
today
from
the
unseated
homelands
of
the
most
scream
square
mission
slave.
What's
up
nations
and
honor
with
gratitude
the
land
and
the
people
who
have
stewarded
through
generations,
I
want
to
start
today
by
sharing
a
short
story
with
you,
I'm
originally
from
mexico
city
and
over
the
course
of
my
life.
I've
experienced
five
earthquakes.
F
One
of
the
most
devastating
ones
took
place.
Four
years
ago,
in
september,
2017
44
buildings
collapsed,
330
people
died
and
6
000
people
were
hurt,
while
all
mexicans
remember
this
event
as
one
of
the
worst
natural
disasters.
Some
of
us
also
remember
it
as
one
of
the
most
unbelievable
displays
of
community
strength
and
resilience.
F
It
took
the
government
a
few
hours
to
align
its
response.
Regardless
we
got
organized
and
helped
people
created
human
chains
to
remove
bravo
from
collapsed
buildings,
corner
store
owners
provided
water
and
food,
health,
centers
occupied
public
spaces
and
seniors
created,
improvised
pop-up,
bakers,
here's
where
the
story
is
relevant
for
vancouver,
not
every
neighborhood
in
mexico
city
had
the
same
reaction
capacity.
It
was
a
denser
mixed
use,
with
a
greater
ratio
of
public
space
physically
and
socially
connected
communities
that
responded
in
a
matter
of
minutes.
F
It
was
in
neighborhoods
where
people
often
cycle
that
community
members
were
able
to
transport
medicines
and
emergency
supplies,
touching
the
rubble
from
collapsed
buildings.
But
overall,
the
earthquake
taught
us
that
neighborhoods,
where
people
knew
each
other
and
had
strong
social
networks
were
more
likely
to
take
care
of
their
community
and
support
the
most
vulnerable
ones.
We
fast
forward
into
2021
after
the
earthquake
of
pandemic
and
after
the
recent
floods
that
communities
across
bc
have
experienced,
and
then
there's
one
lesson
that
sticks
with
me.
F
We
have
to
design
cities
that
prioritize
the
creation
of
strong
social
networks
that
enable
each
community
to
respond
building
on
their
assets
and
addressing
their
unique
needs.
This
lesson
actually
goes
beyond
the
planning
and
design
of
neighborhoods
and
focuses
on
enabling
communities
to
support
and
elevate
each
other.
Today,
vancouver
has
a
unique
opportunity
to
create
a
citywide
plan
that
meets
people
where
they
are
and
truly
builds
on,
equity
and
reconciliation.
F
In
order
to
do
so,
it's
important
to
ask
ourselves
who
are
we
planning
for
and
how
are
we
contributing
to
build
socially
connected
and
resilient
neighborhoods
in
terms
of
who
the
vancouver
plant
is
identified
under
said
populations
and
has
incorporated
those
who
were
most
impacted
during
the
pandemic?
It
would
be
important
to
go
beyond
collected
disaggregating
data
and
listen
to
their
stories
and
insights.
F
F
This
takes
me
to
the
second
lesson:
how
are
we
contributing
to
building
socially
connected
and
resilient
neighborhoods?
The
way
we
plan
and
design
our
neighborhoods
can
bring
people
closer
together,
while
good
strategies
are
emerging
from
the
engagement
process.
In
the
vancouver
plan,
we
need
to
identify
the
actions
that
intersect
in
equity,
reconciliation
and
resilience
to
prioritize
the
needs
of
underserved
communities
and
vulnerable
populations.
F
We
can
achieve
this
by
providing
access
to
core
needs
and
also
enabling
communities
to
choose.
What's
what
matters
the
most
to
them
within
providing
access
to
coordinates.
I
want
to
focus
on
housing
the
way
we
plan
and
design
our
homes
can
help
us
connect
with
neighbors,
build
stronger
social
connections
and
resilience.
F
Besides,
including
below
market
rentals
and
social
housing
along
arterials
and
tods.
We
can
actually
choose
to
locate
this
close
to
parks
and
public
spaces
to
reduce
their
exposure
to
proximity
and
proximity
to
noise
and
pollution.
That
has
been
one
of
the
equity
issues
that
people
at
renters
have
faced
these
types
of
that
different
types
of
tenure
can
enable
residents
to
stay
in
the
same
neighborhood
and
age
in
place
and
shift
our
focus
into
affordable
living
daycare
options.
F
A
folder,
affordable
grocery
stores
and
access
to
the
public
space
network,
among
other
actions,
will
allow
us
to
support
caregivers
and
venture
into
the
shared
economy,
which
is
often
left
behind.
When
we
focus
on
major
office
uses
in
key
business
districts
as
we
create
an
approach
to
have
a
more
equitable
use
of
the
land,
it
will
be
crucial
to
understand
that
we
can
have
the
best
intentions
to
provide
below
market
and
supportive
housing
across
neighborhoods.
F
But
without
the
right
services,
support
services
and
developing
regulations,
we
will
create
just
temporary
patches
and
low-income
residents
will
be
forced
to
leave
their
homes.
Once
again,
my
last
point:
we
need
to
make
space
for
the
community
to
choose
what
matters
the
most
to
them.
This
means
that
neighborhoods
will
have
different
characteristics.
Communities
need
to
decide
what
are
the
spaces
that
actually
bring
them
together.
F
In
this
vein,
I
encourage
planners
to
embrace
a
new
approach
to
neighborhood
design,
to
move
away
from
hard
indicators
and
instead
embrace
performance-oriented
metrics.
Embracing
diversity
in
vancouver
requires
us
to
understand
that
the
same
goal
can
be
achieved
in
different
ways
which
this
image
is
a
clear
example
of
this.
The
goal
is
to
bring
people
closer
together,
while
a
community
will
choose
space
for
artistic
expression,
other
communities
will
prioritize
gathering
and
dancing
embracing
these
differences
and
each
community's
right
to
solve
the
termination
we'll
start
building
the
vancouver
that
we
all
want
to
live
in.
C
All
right
patty.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
introducing
us
to
those
ideas
and
useful,
I
think
a
useful
theoretical
point
as
well.
The
idea
of
the
housing
continuum,
the
idea
that
housing
at
all
for
all
people
in
different
situations
of
different
family
sizes
and
the
different
income
levels
is
all
connected
and
that
there
are
relationships
between
what
we
might
think
of
as
entirely
different
forms
of
housing.
So,
along
with
your
ideas,
thank
you
for
spelling
that
out
for
us.
Let's
move
now
to
andre
andre,
can
you
take
it
away?
C
G
G
Hopefully,
you
can
see
it
now,
looking
good,
okay,
very
good,
very
good.
Well,
first,
that's
a
very
tough
act
to
follow
with
patty
in
her
presentation,
and
second
I'd
like
to
thank
andrew
pask
in
the
city
of
vancouver
for
inviting
me
to
participate
on
this
panel
with
this
group
of
esteemed
professionals
and
experts.
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
and
again.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
G
There's
a
number
of
things
that
I
would
like
to
cover
in
my
five
to
seven
minutes
and
I'll
try
to
go
through
this
and
a
good
time.
But
one
of
the
focuses
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
or
things
I
want
to
talk
about
was
the
idea
of
the
20
minute
city.
This
is
not
the
to
talk
about
what
it
is
or
what
it
is
not
whether
it's
a
15-minute
city
or
20-minute
city.
G
And
if
we
were
to
look
at
these
icons,
especially
the
ones
that
are
crossed
out
when
we
talk
about
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
black
neighborhoods
or
underserved
neighborhoods,
it
rings
hollow
because
a
number
of
our
neighborhoods
don't
have
these
assets
or
these
amenities
to
begin
with.
So
how
can
we
actually
start
to
talk
about
creating
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
our
black
neighborhoods
or
in
our
underserved
neighborhoods,
to
bring
a
much-needed
investment?
G
So
we
can
actually
take
off
some
of
these
lines
and
a
number
of
these
amenities
and
actually
talk
about
how
we
think
about
strategic
neighborhoods
to
create
a
holistic
and
balanced
and
more
equitable
city.
So
that's
the
conversation
I'll
be
having-
or
at
least
the
presentation
I'll
be
giving
over
the
next
few
minutes
and
the
idea
of
rethinking
a
20-minute
neighborhood
through
the
lens
of
equity,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
our
underserved
communities
and
just
a
few
points
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
as
the
slide
transitions.
G
The
idea
of
neighborhood-based,
retail,
local
retail
and
actually
how
it
actually
serves
our
communities
and
what
it
means
to
our
communities
is
really
one
of
the
lifebloods
of
how
a
vibrant
neighborhood
can
be.
So,
but
what
does
it
mean
in
terms
of
not
only
as
we
get
on
the
other
side
of
covid,
but
also
as
we
get
as
means
of
shopping,
how
we
access
our
goods?
G
And
this
is
a
project
we
were
just
awarded
the
app
and
the
idea
how
we
think
about
commercial
and
retail
development
beyond
just
providing
or
providing
places
for
people
to
shop.
Well,
you'll
notice
in
the
corner
here,
nhs
as
neighborhood
housing
services,
they've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
here
for
the
past
three
generations.
In
this
challenged
neighborhood
on
chicago's
west
side.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
had
an
anchor
here
in
the
neighborhood
as
part
of
this
mixed
use
and
mixed
income
development.
G
We
also
wanted
to
provide
health
and
wellness
and
we're
actually
the
owners
in
deep
conversation
with
aetna
to
provide
a
health
care
and
health
facility
facilities
that
are
actually
geared
toward
reaching
the
neighborhood
and
reaching
those
residents
who
live
here
and
providing
preventative
ways
of
treating
their
patients
as
opposed
to
dealing
with
their
immediate
illness
that
they
may
have
so
again.
How
do
we
think
about
mixed
use?
Development
in
a
mixed
income?
G
Setting
this
building
does
introduce
42
units
of
mixed
income
housing,
but
the
idea
of
actually
that
ground
floor
getting
beyond
kind
of
the
food
and
beverage,
but
really
providing
different
services
that
are
not
only
on
the
ground
floor,
but
also
on
the
second
floor,
and
we
also
are
in
extensive
conversations
with
the
ymca
who
wants
to
be
coupled
and
be
part
of
this.
This
partnership
here,
the
idea
of
health
wellness
institutions
that
are
really
critical
to
our
neighborhoods,
are
something
that
we
want
to
make
sure
they're
part
of
our
mixed
income.
G
Developments
that
we're
actually
looking
at
doing-
and
the
larger
thought
is-
is
that
how
do
we
actually
make
this
an
expressive
form
of
through
the
arts
and
how
does
that
actually
reflect
it
and
the
spirit
of
the
community
reflected
through
architecture
and
through
urban
design
and
through
planning,
and
this
speaks
to
one
of
the
local
artists
that
we'll
be
working
with?
Who
will
be
part
of
this
effort?
But
the
idea
of
thinking
about
this
more
than
just
a
building
more
than
just
you
know
another
mixed
income
project
that
is
actually
offering
different
services.
G
This
is
what
we
feel
is
going
to
be
the
first
development,
that's
really
going
to
spark
a
new
development
and
revitalization
on
this
part
of
chicago's
west
side,
again
getting
beyond
the
building,
but
thinking
about
a
larger
strategic
corridor
plan
that
speaks
to
urban
infill,
new
development,
commercial
development
and
additional
resources
to
go
beyond
housing.
That
actually
can
support
the
larger
neighborhood.
G
G
The
idea
of
employment
centers-
and
this
is
a
map
of
chicago-
and
this
is
not
suggesting
that
we
would
focus
on
deconcentrating
our
central
business
districts,
at
least
here
in
north
america.
But
the
idea
of
how
we
can
actually
push
neighborhood
employment
into
our
employment
centers
into
our
neighborhoods.
G
And
this
is
not
a
great
rendering
with
discover
where
they're,
actually
looking
at
taking
over
abandoned
retail
box
on
chicago's,
south
side,
chatham
neighborhood,
predominantly
black
and
latino,
and
bringing
up
to
400
jobs
into
this
distressed
neighborhood,
the
idea
of
again
providing
employment
opportunities,
bringing
employment
centers
to
our
neighborhoods,
as
opposed
to
focusing
on
the
traditional
employment
centers
that
are
located
in
the
heart
of
our
cities
and
also
in
our
larger
region,
the
idea
of
affordable
and
mixed
income
housing
and
what
that
means.
It's
been
great
to
hear
a
lot
of
conversation
about.
G
G
Minneapolis,
I
think
you
know,
has
done
an
incredible
job
of
actually
eliminating
single
family
zoning,
which
will
actually
now
allow
for
that
missing
middle
to
come
into
our
the
traditionally
single
family
zone,
neighborhoods,
to
provide
broader
housing
types
to
people
who
actually
want
to
live
in
a
neighborhood,
but
then
also
not
only
the
idea
of
creating
the
missing
middle.
But
in
places
like
chicago
philadelphia.
You
know
how
do
we
actually
preserve
that
missing
middle?
G
A
number
of
our
neighborhoods
have
been
gentrifying,
where
a
number
of
these
housing
types
have
actually
been
converted
to
single-family
homes
and
townhomes
away
from
our
single
or
our
six
flats
or
three
flats
or
walk-up
apartments.
So
how
do
we,
in
the
number
of
our
cities,
preserve
the
obviously
middle
to
provide
those
broad
range
of
housing?
Types
that
we
know
are
critical?
G
I
know
I'm
going
over
time
here,
but
I'll
speed
this
up
a
little
bit
transit
orange
development.
We
know
it's
critical,
we
are
having
we've
had
a
pleasure
working
with
the
city
of
brampton
and
alex.
You
should
hopefully
will
appreciate
this,
which
is
a
suburb
just
outside
of
toronto,
on
their
larger
2040
plan,
and
it's
focused
around
transit
range
of
development
and
the
new
investment
that
they're
making
to
manage
growth
and
the
idea
of
actually
creating
equitable
development
by
providing
a
broad
range
of
housing
types
to
actually
service.
G
A
broad
range
of
people
that
will
be
coming
to
brampton
and
larger
toronto
as
a
whole
is
something
that
we've
been
working
again
with
the
city
with
for
the
past
a
year
and
a
half
or
so,
and
ironically,
we're
presenting
to
city
council
this
friday.
The
last
couple
points
I'd
like
to
make
is
the
idea
of
how
we
can
actually
not
only
get
more
of
the
assets
in
our
challenge
than
underserved
neighborhoods.
But
how
can
we
actually
talk
about
how
we
share
these
assets
across
neighborhoods?
G
You
know
these
indicators
are
really
important
for
us,
as
urban
designers
and
architects,
to
really
work
with
the
public
and
private
sector
to
understand
how
we
can
actually
bring
about
change
and,
last
but
not
least,
the
idea
of
how
we
actually
talk
about
repopulating
our
neighborhoods,
not
just
our
black
neighborhoods,
but
our
neighborhoods
that
have
actually
been
losing
population,
as
our
cities
are
fine,
our
districts
have
been
shifting.
You
know
how
do
we
actually
talk
about
ways
that
we
can
actually
create?
G
C
Andre
thanks
so
much
you
know
thank
you
in
particular
for
bringing
together
the
idea
of
mixed
use
and
complicating
the
idea
of
mixed
use
and
the
idea
of
the
15-minute
neighborhood
or
the
20-minute
neighborhood
interesting
to
hear
how
you
are
working
on
this
program
in
chicago
which
I'm
very
interested
in
which
aims
to
bring
together
amenities
and
retail,
not
just
as
sources
of
economic
development,
but
also
as
community
anchors,
a
really
interesting
idea.
That
is
not
all
that
familiar
these
days.
H
The
area
that
I've
been
very
fortunate
to
participate
in
is
an
innovation
ecosystem
associated
with
transportation
and
processes
and
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
second,
because
it's
also
given
me
the
opportunity
to
travel
around
the
world
and
every
city
that
I've
gone
to
have
really
made
a
point
of
visiting
innovation
centers
to
be
able
to
look
at
how
the
mechanisms
for
space
to
create
new
ideas
actually
work
in
different
cities.
But
the
other
aspect,
that's
also
quite
challenging,
for
the
vancouver
plan
is
fundamentally.
H
Going
forward-
and
it's
it's
a
challenging
one
just
because
there
are
a
lot
of
externalities
associated
with
gateway
activities,
but
there's
also
the
power
to
be
able
to
share
more
in
terms
of
the
kinds
of
game-changing
ideas
that
innovators
in
the
area
can
build
in
terms
of
problems.
We
have
so
very
humble
small
role
in
terms
of
the
vancouver
innovation
ecosystem.
Just
to
illustrate
what
I
mean.
First,
starting
off
with
problems
lineups
in
transportation
lost
time
pollution
a
lot
of
paper
waste.
H
I
had
the
opportunity
in
2006
to
help
build
a
set
of
solutions
that
helped
to
create
a
much
faster
process
through
borders
that
led
to
major
policy
changes
for
both
the
united
states
and
canada,
and
without
going
into
a
huge
detail
on
what
it
was,
but
it
also
provided
the
ability
for
better
plans
and
processes
and
facilities,
as
we
were
starting
the
call
as
well
and
dimension
to
the
group
as
well.
That
includes
work
for
places
like
san
diego
san,
diego
airport,
on
a
new
facility,
but
also
a
range
of
different
facilities.
H
So,
let's
take
that
example
and
and
build
upon
that
a
bit
more
understanding
through
the
pandemic.
We've
had
lots
of
additional
screen
time,
but
one
recommendation
I
would
have
is
it's
a
bit
of
an
older
video
but
rick
burns
movie
on
the
new
york
documentary
film
is
definitely
worth
comparing
to
vancouver
because
it
hits
at
the
point
of
how
we
see
an
economy
that
works
for
all,
but
also
innovates.
H
H
H
H
You
will
be
able
to
do
remotely
forever.
Do
you
actually
need
to
have
a
physical
space
to
gather
together
in
an
office,
environment
or
or
other
workspace,
and
arrange
that,
across
the
entire
narrative
and
one
of
the
companies,
just
taking
a
quote
from
ryan
peterson
from
unity
he's
victoria
based,
and
he
made
the
argument
that,
in
spite
of
everything,
when
you're
trying
to
create
new
ideas,
innovation
is
still
an
in-person
activity.
H
So
then,
the
question
that
vancouver
plan
needs
to
ask
answer
russell
with
is
what
are
the
models
that
could
work
in
vancouver
and
in
advance
of
this
session?
I
know
there
were
some
questions
asked
around.
What
can
we
learn
from
other
cities
and
definitely
we
could
spend
time
enumerating
exactly
what
others
are
are
doing,
and
you
know
one
model.
Let's
pick
on
toronto,
for
example:
heather
reisman,
jerry
schwartz,
putting
the
center
for
artificial
intelligence
at?
U
of
t
the
250
000
square
feet
of
space
for
that
center.
H
H
So
here
are
some
ideas
in
terms
of
places
that
I've
touched
and
build
programming
around
this.
So
one
of
my
favorite
centers
in
toronto
is
artscape
daniel's
launchpad
part
of
the
waterfront
area.
It's
got
a
not-for-profit
together
with
a
developer
federal,
provincial
municipal
support,
along
with
other
foundations.
H
It
was
here
that
I
brought
forward
the
folks
at
toronto's
billy
bishop
airport,
who
are
building
an
aggressive,
sustainable
airport
right
for
the
climate
change
issues
impacting
aviation,
so
a
great
idea,
space.
Coincidentally,
this
is
where
the
weekend
has
his
recording
studio
and
is
the
only
place
in
toronto.
H
But
it's
not
just
amazon
and
amazon.
In
fact,
due
to
a
number
of
issues
is
actually
headed
to
bellevue,
but
here
is
where
you
have
the
allen
institute
for
brain
science,
fred,
hutch
cancer,
research
center,
huge
connectivity
to
ubc
and
other
aspects
that
are
really
part
of
the
narrative
of
of
an
innovation
ecosystem.
H
So,
in
closing
for
this,
the
questions
that
we
do
need
to
ask
in
vancouver
plan
is:
what
is
the
model
for
innovation?
We
are
planning
for
what
are
the
future
jobs
and
job
spaces
that
we're
going
to
be
advancing,
and
I
know
our
other
speakers
have
very
much
talked
about
the
missing
middle
on
the
residential
side,
as
well
as
other
aspects,
absolutely
on
board
and
fully
in
support
of
the
ideas
shared.
H
But
we
also
need
to
look
and
wrestle
with
how
do
we
deal
with
the
planning
and
design
of
innovation
districts
to
be
able
to
foster
those
spaces
and
in
the
model
as
as
outlined,
we
have
creative
people
that
can
look
at
number
one.
The
problem
to
the
kinds
of
solutions
and
three
transformative
changes
to
be
able
to
get
the
range
of
different
interests,
whether
it's
entrepreneurs
idea
generators,
funders
together
to
be
able
to
scale
up
what
we
offer
as
vancouver
to
do
the
word,
innovation
and,
of
course,
prefacing
this.
H
C
C
C
I
should
mention
also
by
the
way,
I'm
sorry
that
I
didn't
do
this
before
that
we
were
supposed
to
have
jay
pitter
with
us
tonight
and
jay
has
unfortunately
has
lost
her
voice.
We
discussed
this
before
we
before
the
meeting
began,
so
I
apologize
for
not
mentioning
it
she's
ill
and
was
not
able
to
he's
not
talking
right
now,
apparently
so
yeah,
it's
a
real
loss
that
she's
not
here,
but
we
will.
We
will
make
do
so.
C
D
For
not
making
me
have
to
write
out
my
questions
and
send
them
so
alex.
I
am
familiar
with
your
work
in
the
15-minute
city
is
an
important
concept
that
you
analyzed
last
year
in
a
globe.
Article
and
vancouver
came
up
ahead
of
toronto,
with
72
percent
of
residents
living
in
amenity
rich
blocks
compared
to
56
percent
in
toronto.
D
Looking
a
bit
closer,
I
see
that
you
compared
the
whole
area
of
toronto
with
vancouver,
and
would
it
not
have
been
a
more
apples
to
apples
comparison
if
you
compared
old
toronto,
pre-1997
amalgamation
with
the
city
of
vancouver,
since
the
land
areas
are
much
more
comparable,
as
well
as
the
period
of
historic
development.
What
lessons
can
we
take
away
from
that
analysis
again,
so
everyone
understands
metro,
toronto
being
2.7
million
population
in
vancouver
being
like
0.7
population.
C
Right
so
I
guess
the
point
you're
driving
towards
which
I
think
is
a
good
one.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
is
the
older
areas
of
the
city
of
toronto,
that
the
old
city
of
toronto,
as
it
was
before
toronto
was
amalgamated,
is
actually
quite
comparable
to
the
current
city
of
vancouver,
so
apples
to
apples,
you're
looking
at
similar
populations,
similar
size
and
toronto,
the
old
city
of
toronto
is
considerably
more
dense
than
vancouver,
is
and
also
comes
out
ahead
on
these
15-minute
city
analyses,
in
other
words,
it's
more
walkable.
D
So
I'm
just
suggesting
that,
if
we're
going
to
make
comparisons
like
that
that
I
hate
to
come
back
to
that,
you
know
data
and
actual,
you
know
legitimate
comparisons,
and
I'm
there
I'll
ask
this
question
as
I
go
through
some
of
the
other
examples,
for
example,
looking
at
chicago
as
a
comparison,
which
is,
is
an
even
bigger
stretch
than
toronto,
but
that's
my
origin,
my
initial
question
and
I
will
have
others.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
So
let
me
put
this
question
to
the
panel
and
feel
free
to
jump
on
that
by
the
way,
if
you
see
any
connections
patty
in
particular,
if
you
see
any
connections
here
that
you
would
like
to
make
as
to
why
neighborhoods
that
were
planned
and
built
before
the
rise
of
the
car
essentially
proved
to
be
more
dense,
proved
to
have
a
larger
mix,
a
greater
mix
of
uses,
and
so
a
15-minute
city
analysis
sees
them
coming
out
ahead,
now
feel
free
to
jump
on
that.
C
But
let
me
also
bring
another
question
to
all
of
you,
this
one
from
counselor
boyle.
She
is
wondering
I'll,
just
repeat
the
question:
how
do
we
as
how
do
counselors
or
how
do
leaders
best
engage
residents
in
deciding
on
these
challenges?
And
how
do
you
ensure
that
incumbent,
homeowners
and
those
who
are
currently
comfortably
housed,
don't
get
more
say
than
those
who
are
insecurely
housed
in
those
decisions?
F
I
think
I
can
jump
into
the
consultation
piece.
That's
okay!
You
know.
I
think
that
this
is
one
of
the
big
questions
that
we
are
all
all
are
facing
these
days.
How
do
we
actually
do
truthful,
meaningful
engagement
that
is
going
to
take
in
consideration
all
of
the
voices
and
we're
not
going
to
be
leaving
anyone
behind?
F
The
truth
is
that
whenever
we
set
our
values
and
the
framework
that
one
that
we
want
to
be
guided
by
we're
setting
actually
the
the
groups
of
people
that
we're
going
to
be
prioritizing,
this
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
gonna
get
to
answer
the
the
needs
and
the
challenges
of
people
who
probably
haven't
been
hit,
that
bad
by
the
pandemic
or
other
natural
disasters.
But
we
need
to
approach
prioritize
at
this
point,
people
who
were
really
suffering
from
these
challenges
so
in
to
answer
like
directly
to
the
question:
how
how
do
we
do
this?
F
There's
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
that
can
happen.
One
of
them
is
actually
reaching
out
to
equity-seeking
groups
in
a
very
thoughtful
and
meaningful
way,
meaning
thoughtful
and
meaningful
way.
That
is
not
just
to
to
hear
out
what
they
are
thinking,
but
actually
to
enabling
them
to
have
a
voice
and
knowing
and
creating
a
strategy
in
which
they
are
going
to
be
leading
the
engagement
process
and
then
they're
going
to
be
empowered
to
actually
be
part
of
the
decision
of
the
of
the
implementation
process.
F
Afterwards,
it's
very
important
that
we
don't
just
engage
and
then
lose
a
connection
and
stop
working
with
people.
I
think
that
this
is
one
of
the
best
things
that
I've
learned
from
my
work
with
engaging
with,
especially
operators
with
temporary
modular
housing.
My
job
is
not
done
whenever
the
project
is
done.
It
goes
beyond
that.
You
make
a
commitment
that
you're
going
to
be
hearing
these
voices
and
that
you're
going
to
be
helping
them
and
no
matter
your
role,
and
you
need
to
ensure
that
you
are.
F
You
are
supporting
them
in
every
single
step
of
the
way.
So
that's
that's
a
that's
a
commitment
that
I
think
that
the
city
of
vancouver
needs
to
make.
If
you're
going
to
engage
equity
seeking
groups
under
represented
populations,
how
are
we
going
to
take
them
throughout
the
engagement
process
and
into
the
implementation
so
that
we
are
actually
enabling
them
to
to
create
agency
and
stewardship
in
future
projects?.
G
If
I
could
just
build
on
paddy's
point
and
just
to
be
clear
as
far
as
community
engagement
and
public
outreach,
that's
very
much
the
core
of
how
we
practice
as
urban
designers
and
planners.
There
are
very
few
projects
that
do
not
involve
the
community
and
their
input.
I
think
you
know,
one
of
patty's
points
are
very
important.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
every
voice
is
heard,
but,
more
importantly,
those
who
are
underrepresented,
underrepresented,
making
sure
their
voice
is
heard.
G
I
think
it's
about
identifying
those
groups
that
are
actually
working
in
the
community
and
the
groups
that
are
actually
working
with
the
underserved.
I
think
if
they
don't
have
a
clear
champion
or
clear
voice,
I
would
actually
start
there.
That's
basically
how
we
actually
start
a
number
of
our
projects,
whether
it's
being
led
by
the
public
sector
or
department
of
planning
or
working
with
a
developer.
G
You
know
for
us,
it's
not
just
checking
a
box.
You
know
this
is
about
you
know,
creating
a
long-range
plan
for
the
people.
We
often
say,
or
I
often
say
that
we
have
three
different
clients.
We
have
clients
such
as
yourselves,
whether
it's
the
city
of
vancouver
or
a
specific
agency
within
a
city
there's
the
developer
that
we
may
be
working
for
those
are
contractual
clients,
but
as
urban
designers
and
planners
there's,
our
third
client
and
that's
the
community.
G
That's
our
spiritual,
client
and
trust
me
any
one
of
those
three
can
get
you
fired.
So
if
you
are
a
true
practitioner
who
is
really
focused
on
creating
change
and
being
a
change
agent,
you
know
we
focus
on
that.
Third,
non-contractual
but
spiritual
client
and
that's
the
community,
and
we
often
find
that
the
best
ideas
often
do
come
from
the
residents,
because
guess
what
guess
what
they
live
there.
They
have
insights
that
we
can't
see.
G
They
have
insights
that
go
well
beyond
anything
that
we
can
see
in
the
physical
environment
and
certainly
anything
that
we
can
glean
from
neighborhood
indicators
or
the
metrics.
If
you
will,
they
allow
us
to
look
under
the
hood
and
they
also
keep
us
honest
as
well.
So
we
need
that
for
a
successful
plan.
I
think
patty
and
I'll
stop
talking
after
this
said
correctly.
Our
work
is
not
done
when
our
contractual
obligation
it
continues
on.
C
Let
me
ask
a
different
question:
this
one
comes
from
counselor
carr,
which
is,
I
suppose,
related.
She
is
wondering,
looking
at
the
the
challenge
of
trying
to
build
in
neighborhoods
that
have
lost
population
neighborhoods
where
the
population
has
decreased.
Are
there
some
good
examples
which
have
received
broad
public
support
of
cities,
actually
threading,
that
needle
cities
figuring
out
how
to
add
new
density
into
neighborhoods
that
are
in
population
decline?
G
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
some
some
good
examples
that
are
out
there,
especially
over
the
last
five
to
seven
years.
I
think
there's
some
great
examples
in
detroit
and
just
kind
of
builds
on
some
of
the
work
that
maurice
cox
was
doing
when
he
was
playing
director
planning.
There
there's
some
great
examples,
also
in
philadelphia
to
speak
to
this,
but
you
know
quite
frankly,
the
lessons
in
those
examples
are
few
and
far
between,
and
I
think
this
kind
of
gets.
G
You
know
the
idea
of
how
we
actually
think
about
urban
planning
versus
just
you
know,
one
single
development
that
stands
on
itself,
you
know
and
how
this
actually,
you
know,
builds
that
first,
investment
builds
off
of
that.
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
with
you
know
trying
to
invest
in
underserved
communities,
particularly
those
that
have
been
losing
population
is,
you
know,
talking
to
developers
and
talking
to
also
city
agencies.
G
You
know,
because
we
have
to
think
about
this
in
terms
of
both
public
and
private
there's
investment
strategies
that
the
public
sector
can
certainly
make.
You
know
in
terms
of
infrastructure,
in
a
number
of
these
neighborhoods,
whether
it's
related
to
streets,
infrastructure,
transportation,
but
also
the
private
development.
G
They
want
to
see
that
first
successful
model
of
whether
it's
the
investment
from
the
from
the
from
the
city
or
another
developer
before
they
put
their
toe
into
water.
But
I
think
you
know
it
really
speaks
to
how
the
different
agencies
on
the
public
sector,
but
also
working
with
the
private
sector
could
start
to.
You
know
narrow
that
gap
and
change
those
perceptions.
C
Of
perceptions
and
sort
of
open
the
door
to
change,
I
guess
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
go
too
far
down
this
rabbit
hole,
but
it
does
seem
to
me
that
you
know
it's
an
excellent
question.
That's
obviously
really
topical,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
bit
of
a
difference
in
the
kind
of
cases
you're
talking
about
andre
and
what
vancouver
is
facing
in
that
chicago
and
detroit
as
well,
you
know
have
something
that
is
not
so
much
present
in
vancouver,
which
is
really
dramatic
racial
segregation.
C
You
know
you
have
areas
in
chicago
that
are
very
wealthy
and
you
have
other
neighborhoods
which
have
been
predominantly
black,
which
have
seen
disinvestment
in
which
people
are
reluctant
to
invest
in
which
people
are
reluctant
to
move.
You
know
there
are
empty
houses,
empty
blocks,
you
know
which
doesn't
really
exist
in
the
vancouver
context.
I
mean.
Is
there
you
know?
Can
we
learn
from
that
kind
of
experience
of
trends?
G
Can
certainly,
I
can
certainly
respond
to
that
as
well.
I
I
think
you
know
if
you
look
at
what
the
city
of
denver
is
is
doing.
You
know
not
in
terms
of
just
managing
your
growth,
but
also
thinking
about
urban
design
as
a
whole
and
what
it
means
to
their
city,
particularly
some
areas
or
neighborhoods
that
they
feel
have
lacked
investment.
G
You
know,
but
again,
denver
is
also
you
know,
managing
new
population,
new
growth
coming
in
and
trying
to
find
ways
to
distribute
that
growth,
but
also
not
create
additional
displacement.
You
know,
I
think
they're
putting
us
in
place.
Some
really
interesting
policies,
and
also
talking,
are
staying
very
close
to
the
private
sector
to
talk
about
how
they
can
distribute
a
development
in
a
more
equitable
way.
So
I
I
would
really
pay
close
attention
to
what
denver's
doing
they
don't
have
not
been.
G
If
you
will
kind
of,
I
won't
say,
cursed
but
dragged
down
by
the
legacy
of
segregation,
as
you
mentioned,
particularly
racial
and
economic
segregation.
A
lot
of
bit
west
cities
here
in
the
country,
but
I
think
denver
is
a
very
good
example
to
look
at
how
they're
actually
going
about
doing
it
and
trying
to
manage
it.
C
Thank
you
for
that
questions
now,
castle
kirby
young
has
one.
But
let
me
just
look
through
my
chat
here.
Excuse
me
two
linked
questions,
a
one
from
council
boyle.
What
role
does
non-market
housing
need
to
play
and
what
can
local
governments
do
to
encourage
an
expansion
of
non-market
housing
within
you
know
within
the
city's
own
jurisdiction?
C
F
Sure
I
can,
I
can
jump
in
the
non-market
question
that
that's
very
interesting.
I
think
that
does
there's.
I
mean
we're
we're
facing
a
moment
where
I
mean
we
can
take
the
approach
about
you
know
the
free
market
and
letting
the
market
actually
regulate
absolutely
all
of
the
housing
that
we
have
in
vancouver.
F
I
think
that
is
what
it's
causing
is
that
it's
it's
so
much
homogenizing
much
much
more
neighborhoods
and
we
are
lacking
the
mechanisms
to
actually
make
sure
that
we
have
a
wide
diversity
of
people
and
and
going
back
to
the
piece
about
like.
Why
do
we
actually
want
that
diversity
amount
of
diversity
of
people?
That's
that's
the
core
of
creating
resilience.
F
So,
at
the
same
time,
non-market
housing
has
to
deal
with
the
fact
that,
if
we're
talking
about
supportive
housing,
if
we're
talking
about
assisted
living
as
well,
there's
so
much
that
supportive
housing
and
assistive
living
can
provide
to
the
residents.
So
it's
also
up
to
the
community
and
to
the
neighborhood
services
to
be
providing
those
extra
services.
F
If
people
have
to
travel
one
hour
to
actually
get
supportive
services,
then
we
are
condemning
that
condemning
that
them
sorry
into
a
lifestyle
that
actually
it's
eventually
I
mean
there
are
other
they
might
be
and
then
up
in
the
street
again
or
they
might
be
moving
from
a
neighborhood.
So
what's
what's
the
what's
the
option
for
actually
helping
people
root
themselves
in
a
neighborhood,
we
provide
supportive
housing.
We
can
promote
shelter.
H
H
The
vancouver
school
board
has
reported
that
through
the
pandemic,
there's
a
10
decline
in
enrollment
year
over
year
in
the
public
system.
That's
a
function
of
a
number
of
different
things:
the
parent
of
a
six
and
nine
year
old
and
a
lot
of
classmates
have
gone
to
other
parts
of
the
world.
Where
you
know
my
in-laws
are
in
halifax,
so
I'm
going
to
go
work
from
there
or
the
island,
and
so
the
the
nature
of.
H
C
C
Right
and
counselor
kirby
young
had
a
question
on
this,
and
maybe
we
can
come
back
to
it.
How
do
we
paraphrase
here
a
little
bit,
but
you
know,
given
that
people
are
going
to
be
living
in
smaller
footprints
for
better
and
for
worse,
quite
literally
in
smaller
spaces.
How
do
we
help
people
adapt
to
smaller
living
and
how
important
is
the
commensurate
investment
in
public
space
in
the
public
realm?
C
G
Maybe
I
could
start,
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical.
You
know,
I
think
keto
as
we
are
now
on.
The
other
side
of
the
pandemic
here
are
getting
on
the
other
side
of
the
pandemic.
Hopefully
you
know,
I
think,
as
it
relates
to
residential
development
and
what
we
actually
call
assets
that
we
all
that
we
need
in
our
community.
G
You
know
it's
certainly
paramount
in
terms
of
identifying
which
ones
we
need
to
identify
to
actually
get
in
the
right
neighborhoods,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
unit
itself,
you
know,
I
think
you
know,
as
we
start
start
to
think
about
regardless
the
slide
size
of
the
unit,
how
we
can
actually
make
our
living
units
more
flexible
and
more
adaptable.
You
know
to
you
know
not
only
you
know
accommodate,
you
know
a
live
work
balance
you
know,
but
also
a
learning
balance.
You
know
for
our
children.
G
I
think
the
other
thing
when
we
think
about
multi-family
housing
is
what
are
the
amenities
that
now
would
go
in
a
multi-family
building,
you
know,
or
in
an
apartment
or
a
walk-up
building.
I
think
you
know
the
definition
of
amenities
you
know
has
now
evolved
or
is
in
the
process
of
evolving.
I
think
that's
really
going
to
be
critical
and
key
when
we
think
about
how
we
live
in.
G
You
know
what
could
be
smaller
units,
but
what
still
could
be
offerings
that
we
actually
have
within
you
know
not
so
much
a
15
or
20
minute
walking
distance
of
our
front
door,
but
literally
going
down
the
hall
or
down
the
corridor
or
to
the
ground
level.
You
know
understanding
what
the
amenities
in
these
buildings
are,
regardless
of
the
scale
of
the
the
residential
unit.
I
think,
is
really
going
to
be
something
that
we
all
really
need
to
be
paying
close
attention
to.
C
F
If
I
may
quickly
just
jump
into
that,
yeah
there's
there's
just
this
piece
about
that.
This
is
an
excellent
question,
because
how
do
we
actually
convince
people
that
living
in
a
multi-family
multi-unit
environment
might
be
better
than
living
in
a
single
family
home?
So
so
data
is
starting
to
show
on
from
the
work
that
I
used
to
do
with
the
happy
city
team
that
people
in
living
connected
environments
are
more
likely
to
be
resilient
and
and
have
emergency
contacts
in
case
of
an
emergency.
F
F
How
do
we
create
this
awareness
so
that
we
understand
that
it
actually
is
helping
us
to
move
into
a
more
like
into
life
quality
it
might
be
less
comfortable,
but
comfortable
is
not
necessarily
the
equivalent
of
health
and
inclusion,
and
in
that
sense
I
think
that
we
have
been
relying
too
much
in
public
spaces.
Yes,
I'm
a
big
advocate
of
public
spaces
and
how
they
can
bring
the
community
together.
Those
are
the
spaces
where
we
actually
express
our
opinions,
where
we
show
our
identity
that
we
come
closer
together,
but
housing.
F
F
But
if
we
actually
engage
residents
into
the
siding,
what
are
the
types
of
homes
that
they
want
and
don't
just
leave
it
to
develop
to
the
development
market,
to
determine
what
is
what's
going
to
happen.
We
might
have
a
better
job
at
actually
addressing
what
residents
wants
and
then
creating
a
connection
in
between
what
is
just
for
residents
and
what
is
open
to
the
community
so
from
the
design
perspective,
also
creating
a
transition
spacing
between
the
public
realm
and
those
private
spaces.
That
is
where
we
actually
have.
F
C
Thank
you
for
that.
I
you
know.
I
just
had
a
conversation
earlier
today
with
a
london
architect,
paul
called
paul
karakusovich,
who
has
worked
on
a
number
of
estate,
renewal
schemes,
the
redevelopment
or
renovation
of
social
housing
in
the
city
of
london,
and
he
was
talking
very
much
along
these
similar
themes.
I
would
just
point
out,
though,
that
the
in
order
to
establish
a
range
of
public
and
private
spaces
and
to
talk
about
a
transition
between
public
space
and
private
space.
You
know
you're
implying
larger
projects.
C
You
know
a
triplex
does
not
have
a
courtyard
right.
I
mean
to
a
certain
degree
the
kinds
of
thinking
that
you're
describing
your
patty
really
applies
to
buildings
that
are
big,
or
at
least
bigger
than
you
know,
a
single
lot
in
in
scale.
So
maybe
there's,
maybe
that's
useful
right
that
you
know
with
scale,
comes
opportunities
to
do
stuff
as
well
as
challenges.
Counselor
weeb,
I
think,
has
let's
see
where
are
you.
B
H
It
becomes
even
more
important
around
how
disconnected
we
have
been
physically
with
folks
that
are
nestled
away
in
terms
of
our
own
areas.
I
think
I
fully
agree
with
what
patty
you
described
in
terms
of
people
are
holed
up
in
their
places,
24
7.,
but
as
we
get
out
of
the
pandemic
and
start
looking
at
that,
it's
really
the
quality
of
spaces
that
are
going
to
be
within
residential
areas
or
focused
areas
in
terms
of
the
work
environment.
How
do
we
create
those
opportunities
for
those
encounters
to
be
able
to
have
different
schools
of
thought?
H
Come
together
as
well
as
interact
with
each
other,
and
those
are
a
mix
of
intentional
spaces
to
be
able
to
foster
some
of
those
those
aspects,
but
the
other.
You
know
thought
process.
There
is
the
ability
to
then
to
also
build
upon
what
vancouver
has
been
excellent
at
in
terms
of
not
having
a
complete
set
of
bedroom
communities.
H
When
I
go
to
different
cities
in
the
united
states
right
now,
complete
ghost
town
in
most
downtown
cores
the
feedback
I
got
from
folks
coming
in
from
seattle,
portland
and
other
places
last
week
for
the
cascadia
innovation
corridor
was
just
glee.
Looking
at
how
lively,
even
during
the
pandemic,
our
downtown
environment
is
so
to
capitalize
on
that,
but
then
also
build
those
intentional
spaces
for
collaboration
to
occur
and
defining
that
in
in
quantities
that
will
be
able
to
create
those
those
opportunities
to
mix
individuals
from
different
walks
of
life
and
different
approaches
together.
H
G
India,
is
the
idea
of
you
know
what
it
means
in
terms
of
a
person's
day
in
life,
in
terms
of
access
to
open
space
access
to
a
variety
of
open
spaces,
whether
it's
regionally
or
whether
it's
within
that
15-minute
walk
of
their
front
door.
And
it's
interesting
to
hear
that
now.
There's
been
more
talk
and
more
focus,
particularly
with
a
lot
of
these
global
cities
or
emerging
cities.
G
You
know
and
the
idea
of
what
open
space
really
means
and
how
that
needs
to
be
leveraged
not
only
with
new
development,
but
also
the
existing
urban
infrastructure.
As
they
really
start
to
rethink,
you
know
different
parts
of
their
city
from
an
urban
design
and
planning
standpoint,
but
I
think
it's
incredibly
important,
we've
all.
As
a
patty
said,
we've
been
locked
up
here
for
the
past
21
months.
You
know
those
moments
of
actually
interaction
and
how
we
interact
with
each
other.
G
It
goes
beyond
just
kind
of
the
physical
well-being
being,
but
also
the
mental
health
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
all
tied
together
and
I
think
it's
really
something
that
we
need
to
really
start
thinking
about.
In
terms
of
how
do
we
actually
create
policy?
That's
really
focused
around
that
and
really
start
to
merge
that
clear
gap
that
was
all
witnessed
over
the
past
and
felt
over
the
past
21
months
in
terms
of
health
and
wellness
and
our
investment
of
our
open
spaces
in
the
public
realm.
G
Yeah
and
actually,
I
would
say,
expand
the
definition
of
what
it
means
in
terms
of
health
and
wellness
as
it
relates
to
our
open
spaces
and
our
infrastructure.
You
know
it
goes
beyond
just
parks,
it
goes
beyond
pocket
parks.
You
know
it
goes
beyond
regional
parks,
but
what
does
that
really
mean
in
terms
of
how
this
actually
impacts
everyone
from
age,
5
to
50
or
8
to
80?
You
know
because
it
means
different
things
to
different
people,
regardless
of
what
city
we're
in.
F
I
think
that
evolving
framework
for
the
entire
city
could
actually
create
common
ground
if
we
look
at
it
from
the
engagement
perspective,
it's
about
the
first
thing
to
get
on
a
kind
of
like
on
the
same
agenda,
we're
on
the
same
page.
It's
not
talking
about
the
strategies
and
actions
that
are
going
to
be
developed,
but
talking
about
the
values
that
we
want
to
embrace
and
from
the
work
that
I've
been
doing
in
the
past.
F
What
we
have
learned
is
the
well-being
framework
for
a
community
is
not
exactly
the
same
for
another
community,
it
has
to
be
flexible
and
it
has
to,
and
we
need
to
understand
what
what's,
the
pathway
that
leads
each
community
to
well-being.
So,
while
one
community
might
be
more
focused
on
health
accessibility
resilience,
another
community
might
be
more
focused
on
starting
with
safety
or
maybe
with
meaning
and
belonging.
F
So
it
depends
on
the
community
and
the
neighborhood
and
what
they
have
experienced
in
the
past,
that
we
can
build
a
framework
that
actually
works
for
the
entire
city
and
that
can
be
building
on
the
healthy
city
net
framework
that
has
already
been
created
and
then
from
there
understand
what
are
the
needs
of
each
one
of
the
of
the
different
communities
that
are
part
of
the
city.
So
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
hold
the
tensions,
but
at
the
same
time
we
need
to
commit
if
we're
committing
to
a
well-being
framework.
F
It's
about
how
we
identify
the
values,
then
how
do
we
translate
this
to
strategies
and
then
how
do
we
translate
these
to
actions
and,
overall,
what
is
this
intersection
in
between
equity
resilience
and
reconciliation?
That
intersection?
That
is
going
to
allow
us
to
identify
those
five
out
of
50
actions
that
need
to
be
the
first
ones
to
be
prioritized.
C
Thank
you
is
this,
perhaps
a
good
time
to
bring
up
sanak
and
the
other
large
indigenous
lead
projects
that
are
happening
in
the
city
I
mean
sanak
in
particular,
is
very
much.
It
is
a
very
unusual
project
in
a
number
of
ways.
It's
intended
to
deliver
in
part,
affordable
housing
to
members
of
the
squamish
nation.
It
is
extremely
light
on
car
infrastructure
and
it
delivers
much
more
density.
C
A
much
more
residential
density
than
the
city's
planning
would
contemplate
in
that
location,
which
is
you
know,
on
the
doorstep
of
downtown
and
yet
not
zoned
for
high
rises.
Is
there
I
am
you
know,
as
I've
written
as
I've
made
this
clear.
I
think
it's
you
know
a
really
enticing
model
in
a
lot
of
ways
I
mean,
do
we
agree
and
are
there
lessons
that
could
be
learned
there
for
the
rest
of
the
city
in
which
and
the
different
contexts
that
exist
across
the
rest
of
the
city.
H
H
H
Some
of
these
areas-
provide
the
opportunity
to
break
apart
some
of
the
different
tracks
of
enabling
the
the
social
and
learning
opportunities,
but
I
think
the
ability
of
understanding
that,
in
terms
of
aligning
density
to
potential
school
parks
and
other
public
facilities,
those
are
really
things
for
us
to
be
able
to
define
a
newer
form
and
certainly
from
a
reconciliation.
Point
of
view,
provides
that
opportunity
to
showcase
learnings
that
are
not
necessarily
built
around
new
ideas
but
also
taking
and
reflecting
from
from
within.
H
C
Good,
so
I
just
want
to
flag.
We
have
about
roughly
five
minutes
before
I'm
gonna
loop
back
to
the
panelists
for
their
kind
of
closing
remarks
and
then
leave
it
with
the
deputy
mirror
to
wrap
up
so
counselors.
Anyone
who
hasn't
asked
a
question
yet.
I
would
especially
welcome
you
to
step
in
right
now
and
I
actually
can't
see
clearly
who
has
their
hand
up
so
andrew.
Perhaps
you
can
queue
me
if
other
counselors
are
now
raising
their
hands.
I.
C
D
D
You
started
off
your
your
presentation
about
vancouver
as
a
gateway
city
and
indeed
we
exist,
we're
the
terminus
of
the
railway
with
the
western
point
port
to
the
pacific.
So
have
you
as
we
look
at
at
our
economic
diversification.
It's
been
said
by
the
new
head
of
invest,
vancouver
that
the
city
in
the
region
is
in
an
existential
crisis,
as
we've
shifted
since
the
80
adr
dominance
of
natural
resource
extraction
industries
and
related
to
the
current
economy,
which
is
very,
very
focused
on
real
estate,
property
development
and
construction.
D
So
the
question
that
is
being
asked
there
and
as
one
that
I've
asked
of,
are
you
familiar
with
danny
bresnitz's
book
innovation
in
real
places?
Danny
bresnitz
is
the
head
of
the
monk
school
of
innovation
at
the
university
of
toronto,
and
he
talks
about
the
need
to
be
fostering
innovation
and
entrepreneurship
in
hubs
of
areas
that
are
distinct
to
the
locale.
D
So
as
we
look
to
the
future
of
our
economy,
I
mean
there's
all
these
great
targets
that
but
no
one's
really
talking
about
what
jobs
and
what
industries
people
are
going
to
be
working
in
which
is
kind
of
existential.
So
my
question
to
you,
then,
is:
how
do
you
see
it?
One
of
the
things
bresnitz
warns
against
again
is
the
the
tendency
to
become
a
silicon
hyphenate
or
in
our
experience,
a
hollywood
north
hyphenate,
where
we're
we're,
you
know
very
mobile
jobs
that
can
go
anywhere
and
there's
a
lot
of
competition.
H
So
I
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
answers
I
would
have
to
that.
I
go
back
to
1989
when
the
former
macmillan
blowdell
had
an
innovation
lab
in
burnaby
just
outside
vancouver,
and
it
created
three
distinctive
products,
best
recycling
method
for
cardboard
boxes,
parallel
in
terms
of
built
form
in
terms
of
wood
beams
as
strong
as
steel,
and
then
there
was
a
decision
made
by
maclo
to
just
close
that
innovation
center
and
the
public
bodies
of
the
time.
H
So
I
think
it's
a
long-winded
piece
around.
We
can't
let
that
example
of
the
1989
innovation
lab
disappear.
Again,
it's
been
some
time
and
and
some
of
the
the
role
of
the
city
around
what
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
actually
structure
becomes
part
of
that
challenge,
to
enable
us
to
to
compete
more
effectively
on
the
global
stage.
G
Solomon,
if
I
could
add
to
that
point,
I
think
you
said
something
that's
been
key,
we're
actually
I'm
actually
involved
in
working
on
a
couple
of
if
you
will
kind
of
innovation
districts.
You
know
in
two
cities
in
the
country
and
the
one
message
that
we've
been
repeating
is
that
you
know
innovation
can
happen,
and
I
think
you
captured
it
correctly
and
well.
It
can
happen
and
should
happen
in
a
city
like
vancouver
at
all
scales.
G
You
know,
as
you
all
know,
everyone's
been
looking
to
our
number
city's
been
looking
to
repeat
kind
of
the
successes
of
kindle
square
or
you
know,
what's
been
happening
in
the
triangle
district
in
in
north
carolina
or
san,
diego
or
the
bay
area.
Well,
you
know,
a
lot
of
that
is
not
you
know
cannot
be
transferred
to
another
city,
you
know,
so
I
think
you
know
it's
the
idea
of.
G
Actually,
you
know
building
on
the
strengths
of
your
region
and
the
strengths
of
your
city
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
innovation
going
into
21st
century,
because
what's
innovation
is
innovative
today
in
2021,
it's
going
to
be
much
different
in
2025,
and
I
think
you
know
to
your
point:
solomon
you're
right.
You
know
not
relying
on
that
single
driver
of
innovation.
That
really
is
reflective
of
you
know
not
only
addressing
some
of
the
issues
that
you
face
as
a
region
or
city,
but
how
you
can
actually
be
more
competitive.
G
If
you
will,
with
your
adjacent
cities
in
the
on
the
west
coast,
you
know,
and
also
nationally
and
globally,
as
well.
So
the
ideal,
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
innovation
at
all
scales
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
have
to
happen
in
one
place.
I
think,
is
very
important
when
a
city
is
talking
about
how
to
think
about
innovation
through
development
and
innovation,
districts
as
a
whole.
C
Thank
you.
I
think
now,
I'm
just
going
to
change
tack
a
little
bit,
because
we
have
counselor
account
question
from
council
with
fry,
which
is
an
interesting
one.
I'd
also
invited
counselor
dominato,
you
know,
feel
free
to
throw
in
a
question.
Maybe
we
can
squeeze
that
in
before
we
wind
up,
but
here's
one
from
castlefry.
He
asks
what
is
the
role
of
built
form
we
hear
about
towers
and
social
isolation
and
that
ground
oriented
buildings
help
in
gender
community.
C
F
Sure,
thank
you.
Yes,
definitely,
the
build
form
has
great
impact
in
in
the
way
that
we're
going
to
be
building
resilience
in
our
community.
The
way
that
we're
going
to
be
connecting
people-
we
don't
I
mean
if
we
look
at
this
at
from
the
social
isolation
from
the
loneliness
approach,
but
also
from
the
climate
change
action
and
also
from
the
upward
affordability
piece.
It
makes
sense
that
we're
focusing
on
buildings
that
are
low
rise
and
mid-rise
and
not
skyscrapers
that
might
be
intensifying
places
in
the
city.
F
Adding
to
this
from
the
the
the
diet,
the
dive
that
I
took
into
some
of
the
conversations
that
are
emerging
from
the
vancouver
plan,
people
are
actually
interested
in
having
this
kind
of
of
developments
a
little
bit
of
like
low
density,
like
maybe
having
like
three
or
four
buildings.
Sorry,
three
or
four
stories
and
three
or
four
stories.
There's
a
rationale
why
this
provides
more
contact
and
and
a
close
connection
with
the
public?
Usually
it
is
based
also,
for
instance,
theaters.
F
You
decide
that
the
the
farthest
person
away
from
the
theater
is
25
to
30
meters.
It's
the
same
rationale:
if
you
decide
so
that
we
are
in
contact
for
25
to
30
meters,
you
still
have
an
opportunity
to
actually
look
at
faces
and
sense
that
familiarity
of
what's
happening
and
that
familiarity
is
what
gives
us
a
starts,
giving
us
a
sense
of
belonging.
So
definitely
the
build
form
in
terms
of
height
has
a
has
an
important
role
in
building
more
connected
communities,
but
also
in
the
transition.
F
I'm
gonna
kind
of
like
go
back
to
this
transition.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
duplex
or
if
it's
a
six
to
eight
story,
building
the
transition
that
we
can
create
with
stoops,
with
the
threshold
in
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
building,
maybe
3.5
meters
that
people
have
been
activating
during
the
pandemic
to
have
community
gardens.
If
we
have
the
right
amount
of
balconies
that
so
that
we
are
also
ensuring
that
people
have
this
outdoor,
safe
space.
F
That
was
much
needed
in
the
pandemic,
but
also
helps
to
connect
with
with
neighbors
and
things
that
are
happening
outside
then
we're
moving
into
a
more
sustainable
in
the
three
ways
of
understanding
sustainability
into
a
better
world.
From
the
affordability
piece
from
the
environmental
piece
and
from
socially
connected
section.
C
So
I
am
second
time
sorry
guys
I
would
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
whether
I'm
agreeing
or
disagreeing
with
your
point
here
patty.
I
think
I'm
agreeing,
but
you
know
I
have
found
it
interesting
as
a
journalist
to
explore
the
idea
of
social
resilience.
You
know
and
if
you
know-
and
it
is
sometimes
the
case
that
people
in
denser
communities
actually
have
higher
experience,
that
quality
that
you
were
just
talking
about.
C
You
know
in
in
a
more
intense
way
as
well
having
a
lot
of
neighbors
is
not
necessarily
a
route
to
having
fewer
social
connections.
In
fact,
it
can
be
a
route
to
having
more
social
connections,
but
I
guess,
if
I
understand
you
correctly,
you
feel
that
that
really
the
it's
the
specific
arrangement
of
build
form
and
the
relationship
between
buildings
and
their
surroundings
that
creates
those
relationships.
Is
that
correct.
F
Correct
there's
a
there's
another
component
that
is
going
to
be
crucial.
Our
ability
to
control
our
social
exposure
is
what
was
very
different
in
between
people
living
in
dense
environments
during
the
pandemic,
and
that
felt
unsafe
other
than
the
people
that
were
living
in
dense
environments
were
but
were
able
to
control
that
social
exposure.
So
that
agency
comes
back
to
place.
G
I
I
think
patty
said
something
that
was
that's
very
important,
that
I
was
going
to
speak
to
as
well
as
she
talked
about
different
examples.
You
know,
as
far
as
the
built
form
goes,
especially
as
it
relates
to
city
government,
particularly
planning
departments.
We
have
to
allow
for
flexibility,
you
know,
and
the
idea
of
flexibility
in
the
build
form.
G
I
think
one
of
the
criticisms
I
often
have
with
you
know,
form-based
code
as
it's
been
applied,
is
that
it's
been
so
rigid,
and
this
is
not
seeing
this
in
defense
of
developers.
You
know
who
have
to
respond
to
form-based
code,
that's
been
implemented
by
a
number
of
city
agencies.
I
think
in
some
places
it
plays
out
very
well
other
times.
I
feel
like
it
really
constrains
the
product,
and
it's
not
so
much
in
terms
of
the
flexibility
from
a
developer,
but
it's
really
flexibility
for
the
end
user.
G
You
know,
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
think
about,
as
it
relates
to
the
built
form.
There
needs
to
be
a
number
of
things
that
we
need
to
offer
on
the
menu
in
terms
of
how
we
can
actually
really
impact.
You
know
our
built
environment
and
then
what
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
flexibility?
You
know
that
we.
C
All
right
so
yeah
I
mean
maybe
we'll
leave
it
there,
because
I
see
we're
now
at
7
52,
which
means
that
I'm
a
little
bit
late
in
getting
getting
to
the
wrap-up
point
here.
So
maybe,
if
you
don't
mind
panelists,
we
can
just
take
a
couple
of
minutes
to
collect
some
of
the
thoughts
that
we
have
brought
together
here
and
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
out
of
the
questions
so
patty.
Perhaps
I'll
start
with
you.
What
do
you
think
are
having
had
this
discussion?
What
are
you?
F
Sure
I
have
three
one.
I
think
that
I
have
three
nothing
for
the
community
without
the
community.
Let's
engage
people
throughout
the
creation
of
the
plan
and
empower
them
to
also
steward
during
implementation,
prioritize
under
underserved
and
most
vulnerable
populations.
Their
voice
needs
to
take
up
more
space
and
actions
need
to
be
prioritized
so
that
we
can
address
historical
inequities.
F
A
C
A
A
A
C
G
Capturing
the
voice
of
the
underserved
is
incredibly
important,
and
I
think,
if
you
want
to
think
about
the
future
of
your
city,
you
know
finding
ways
to
be
very
deliberate
and
also
intentional,
and
I
think
that's
the
key
word
intentional
about
how
you
engage
and
capture
the
voice
of
the
underserved
is
very
important,
they're
much
smarter
than
we
all
realize
they
are
the
experts
in
their
community,
and
I
truly
believe
this.
The
best
ideas
often
do
come
from
the
residents
in
their
community.
G
Second,
something
that
I'm
somewhat
obsessed
with
of
how
do
we
actually
narrow
the
gap
between
design
and
public
policy?
I
think
you
have
an
opportunity
to
really
be
a
model
here
globally,
of
how
you
can
actually
think
about
the
built
form,
but
also
balance
public
policy,
that's
being
driven
by
the
key
decision
makers
in
local
government.
And
how
do
we,
actually,
you
know,
talk
about
more
integrated
way,
how
we
actually
talk
about
developed
environment,
where
design
does
not
solve
everything
and
is
trained
as
an
architect
and
urban
designer.
G
I'm
the
first
person
to
say
that,
but
also
on
the
other
side
policy
cannot
drive
everything
either.
So
how
do
we
actually
narrow
that
gap?
Where
there's
more
of
a
merging
of
those
ideas
and
those
decision
maker
makers
to
really
create
a
new
urban
environment?
I
think
you
have
a
great
opportunity
in
vancouver.
You've
been
a
leader
in
so
many
different
ways
as
it
relates
to
thinking
about
citywide
planning,
and
it's
going
to
be
interesting
to
see
how
your
plan
for
the
future
really
evolves.
C
A
Great,
thank
you
and
I'll
just
give
a
few
comments.
First,
if
this
does
conclude
our
dialogue
on
the
vancouver
plan
today,
I
think
for
potentially
do
you
have
comments
from
some
staff
nope
good.
I
would
like
to
thank
van
alex
bozokovic
for
his
expert
moderation
of
today's
event.
You
did
a
great
job,
thank
you
and
thank
each
of
the
panelists
as
well
for
your
time
and
participation,
patti
rios
andre,
broomfield
and
solomon
wood.
A
Thank
you
thank
you
for
sharing
your
experience
and
ideas
with
us
at
council,
so
council
that
does
conclude
our
business
on
today's
agenda.
I'm
now
looking
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion
to
adjourn
okay,
thank
you.
Councillor
hardwick
and
I
think
a
seconder
came
from
councillor
kirby
young,
so
could
and
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
any
any
opposing
name.