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Police Logo Rebranding Committee Meeting 3-10-21
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Some
thought
that
it
might
just
make
sense
to
take
the
top
from
each
of
those
sort
of
groupings,
so
we
have
that
design,
number
109,
design,
107
design,
50
59,
I
guess
and
design
that
22
26
34
that
very
same
elements
of
the
design
and
maybe
just
slightly
different
colors.
There
was
three
different
groupings
of
that
when
you
went
in
and
scored.
So,
if
that's,
if
that's
doable
for
everybody
on
the
call
or
on
this
on
the
zoom.
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N
Yep,
have
we
given
any
thought
to
when
we're
narrowing
these
designs
down
to
try
to
maybe
meet
in
person
in
the
council
chambers,
where
we
could
spread
out
between
the
conference
room,
the
city
council
chambers?
We
only
got
14
people,
we
could
spread
everybody
out,
the
designs
could
be
put
on
a
board
and-
and
we
could
actually,
instead
of
trying
to
go
back
and
forth
and
trying
to
remember
what
was
just
up
there.
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P
D
D
Yeah
these
are,
these
are
the
the
top,
because
there
were
some
of
these
have
different
variations
and
colors.
These
are
all
of
the
designs
that
that
ranked
the
highest
when
we
took
oh,
I
think
50,
I'm
sorry.
I
think
it's
42
yeah
all
or
41
category
41
submissions
revisions.
Really
these
are
the
top
four
from
those
one
from
each
grouping,
because
some
of
these
have
different
different
color
variations,
some
more
than
others.
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D
O
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Q
Davis,
if,
if
I
made
this
is
cliff,
I
I
honestly
have
to
echo
dave's
comments
about,
I
sure
would
like
to
meet
in
person.
I
I
just
don't
feel
a
part
of
this
whole
committee.
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
to
meet
everybody
actually
and
get
to
know
them
a
little
better,
and
it
just
seems
as
though
we're
in
kind
of
like
glass
houses
and
the
way
that
they
were
we're.
Q
D
Look,
I
would
love
to
do
it
as
well.
I
I
don't
know
how
we're
frankly,
I
don't
know
how
we're
able
to
do
that
while
ensuring
you
know
folks's
folks,
to
safety
and
then
and
that's
not
to
say
that
folks
can't
meet.
They
can
make
their
own
decisions.
But
to
to
to
your
point,
we
would
have
to
have
100
percent
agreement
by
everybody
on
this
call.
D
Sorry,
I'm
not
sure
yeah.
If
we
wanted
to
you
know
entertain
that
conversation,
I
guess
we
can
do
a
a
show
of
hands.
I
guess
of
folks
that
are
about
one
person
already
saying
that
they're
not
they're,
not
comfortable.
I've
certainly
said
that
I'm
not,
but
I'm
I'm
willing
to.
I
guess,
entertain
emotion
and
if,
if
there's
some
way
to
do
it
in
a
hybrid,
I
I
don't
know.
I
think
that,
because
that
gets
you
to
the
same
thing
that
you're
talking
about
cliff.
If,
if
we're
trying.
D
Process,
frankly,
sucks
to
try
to
do
on
june.
It
is
awful
and
it
does
ultimately,
I
think,
get
us
into
our
corners
and
doesn't
allow
us
to
sort
of
break
down
and
have
some
real
real.
Meaningful
dialogues,
unfortunately,
is
it's.
I
just
don't
know
how
we
get
past
it.
If
we've
got
half
of
the
committee
who's
not
able
to
meet,
and
then
we've
you
know
to
what
was
the
what
was
the
purpose
of
the
in
person?
I
I
just
don't
know.
Q
Q
D
I
didn't
I
do
cliff.
I
do
think
that
we
could.
One
thing
to
remember
is
that
that
we
aren't
actually
empowered
to
make
the
change
we're
ultimately
going
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
they
will
have
to
take.
They
will
have
to
make
the
determination
and
so
whether
we
settle
in
on
you
know
one
particular
design
or
if
we
send
over
you
know
small
bat.
You
know
one
or
two
or
whatever
number
of
designs
for
them
to
consider.
D
So
I
you
know,
I
hear
you
this.
This
has
this
thing
has
some
real
weight
and
you
know
we
don't
want
to
be
dismissive
of
that,
but
I,
but
outside
of
outside
of
everybody,
being
fully
vast
and
and
immune.
I
just
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
we're
able
to
do
the.
I
can't
envision
a
scenario
where
we're
able
to
do
the
in
person.
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Designs:
we've
gone
through
and
we've
scored
a
number
we've
sent
back
for
revisions.
I
mean
we,
we
have
made
progress,
it's
not
like
we're
just
spinning
in
circles
here
you
know.
I
think
that
we're
at
a
point
where,
where
we
could
consider
at
least
the
top
four
and
I
I
suspect
we
could
settle
in
on
on
the
top
one,
if
we,
if
we
buckle
down
but
go
ahead
spencer.
L
I
just
wanted
to
ask
procedurally,
you
know
if
we
actually
do
have
to
have
a
super
majority,
a
majority
100.
If
we
would
make
a
motion
to
delay
this
until
council
is
actually
meeting
in
person.
I
do
think
we're
close,
I
think,
we're
very
close
to
to
a
final
design.
That's
why
I
think
we
should
be
extra
careful
to
make
sure
that
everybody
fully
understands
and
can
look
at
them
in
person.
L
D
Are
we
restricted
procedural
just
procedurally?
Procedurally,
we've
got
a
motion.
Do
we
do
we
have
a
second
and
then
we
can
go
to
discussion?
Rhonda
is
making
making
the
second
do.
We
have
discussion
on
on
the
motion
at
hand
which
is
to
to
hold
off
this
discussion
for
until
waterloo
city
council
is
able
to
meet
in
person
aaron
page.
P
P
In
spite
of
health
concerns,
my
age
puts
me,
you
know
waiting
months
at
a
time
and
I
I
just
time
wise.
I
didn't
exactly
sign
up
for
this
committee
to
be
that
much
time
you
know,
I
was
sort
of
under
the
impression
that
this
was
like
the
last
meeting
and
we're
down
to
the
four.
We
have
all
the
results
of
of
the
surveys
that
we
did.
We
have
all
the
numbers
and,
like
david
said,
it's
just
a
recommendation,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
we
can,
what
can
be
gained
by
delaying
and
getting
together.
C
Let
me
just
add
in
because
dave
mentioned
that
the
council
is
going
to
be
meeting
in
person
for
budget,
but
that's
an
exception
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
it
at
the
center
for
the
arts,
where
we
will
have
plenty
of
room
to
socially
distance,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
option
is
available
to
this
committee.
So
it's
not
like
the
council
is
going
to
now
start
having
all
of
our
meetings
in
person.
That
is
not
the
case
yet.
A
C
A
Well,
the
only
thing
about
I'd
love
to
meet
in
person
and
I
underst
I'm
vaccinated,
so
I'm
ready
to
rock
and
roll,
but
I
understand
everybody
else's
nervousness
about
that,
but
we
we
do
have
a
task
to
recommend
and
the
budget's
got
to
be
certified
by
the
end
of
march
with
a
second
hearing.
So
there
is
a
time
issue
here.
A
D
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S
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious
ever
since
this
has
been
an
issue
as
far
as
the
that
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
change.
Has
not
the
city
council
has
not
the
police
department
given
any
kind
of
budget
consideration
that
that
whatever
design
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
call
for
a
a
change
right
for
for
it
to
be
written
into
the
budget?
So
that's
not
been
considered
at
all.
O
N
But
I
I
and
that
that's
an
option
too.
I
mean
if,
if
the,
if
social
distancing
in
a
mask
isn't
sufficient
to
for
for
a
person's
peace
of
mind,
you
could
do
a
hybrid
meeting
where
a
portion
of
us
are
are
are
sitting
in
a
room.
So
we
can
face
to
face
and
see
people,
social,
distancing
with
masks
on
and
and
then
the
people
that
aren't
comfortable
with
that
could
still
come
in
and
and
be
part
of
the
zoom.
Just
like
we
do
city
council
meetings.
N
D
B
Was
maybe
this
would
be
our
last
one
or
possibly
like
that's
where
my
like
my
time
frame
when
I
was
initially
asked
to
be
on
this,
was
that
we
would
run
in
through
february
and
possibly
march
and
looking
at
we
are
so
close
to
the
finish
line
of
making
a
recommendation.
I
I
I
can't
justify
postponing
it.
When
I
could.
I
mean
I
printed
off
the
images.
D
I
would
also
add
that,
from
from,
I
believe
that
there
is
value,
I
think,
there's
real
value
in
folks
meeting
face
to
face,
and-
and
I
wish
as
much
as
I'm
sure
everybody
that
we
could
all
do
that
comfortably
and
safely
and
without
without
pause,
but
recognizing
that
we
can't
do
that
that
folks,
that
that
we
yes
physically
could
meet.
But
if
we've
got
folks
who
are
not
comfortable
doing
so,
because
they're
not
yet
vaccinated
from
this
thing
that
has
that
has
completely
uprooted,
damn
near
every
portion
of
our
lives.
A
I
would
suggest
we
try
getting
on
with
it
today
getting
on
with
business,
even
though
I'd
love
to
meet
in
person,
but
our
focus
is
not
necessarily
one
another.
It's
it's
to
pick
some
designs
and
if,
if
we
come
to
a
stalemate,
then
perhaps
that's
when
we
go
on
pause
until
we
can
meet
together,
but
now
another,
that's
just
my
opinion
now.
Another
question
is:
what
are
our
rehearse
for
me?
Our
delivery,
our
deliverables
to
the
council,
one
design,
four
designs,
two
designs:
what
are
our
deliverables.
D
Sure
that
one,
so
that
point
I'll
answer
real
quick
and
then
we
do
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
that
we
do
have
to
vote
on
just
sort
of
procedurally,
but
we
can
submit.
Obviously
we
could
certainly
submit
a
singular
design
that
we're
able
to
find
consensus
on,
I
think
for
everybody
involved.
That
would
be
the
ideal.
D
If
we
can't
do
that,
then
we
can
settle
in
on
any
number
of
designs
that
we
wanted
to
submit
to
council
for
their
consideration.
I,
in
the
interest
of
keeping
it
manageable,
having
that
be
two,
probably
no
more
than
three,
but
but
we
can
it's
sort
of
up
to
us.
If
what
we
make
how
we
make
that
recommendation
to
council
joe
go
ahead.
O
I
know
there's
been
talk
about
how
many
more
meetings
I
think
we
need
to
have
at
least
one
more
after
this
one.
I
don't
think
looking
at
the
designs,
I'd
like
to
send
them
to
our
patch
maker
and
have
them
make
them
so
we
can
see
them
before
we,
you
know
physically
make
them,
and
I
think
he'll
do
that
for
us
and
then
we
can
see
physically
see
the
patch
at
least
one
more,
maybe
more,
maybe
less.
But
you
know
some
of
these
designs
are
intricate.
O
I'm
not
a
patch
designer
I'd
like
to
have
them
at
least
give
some
input
on
them.
I
just
got
them
today,
so
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
send
them
off
to
them
and
say:
what's
your
thoughts,
I
think
we
need
to
have
their
opinion
because
there
may
be
stuff,
that's
impossible
to
do
in
some
of
these
designs.
I
mean
that
came
up
with
the
last
set.
That
may
come
up
again
just
my
thoughts.
D
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D
D
D
N
N
Send
me
this.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
it,
but
basically
109
or
100
the
top
one.
They
claimed
it
looked
too
close
to
a
nazi
eagle
and
that's
someone
in
advertising
that
sent
this
to
me.
I
sent
this
right
back
to
him
and
said
this
looks
more
like
that
than
that
patch.
But
everyone
has
a
different
perception
and
everyone's
going
to
see
this
differently
and
like.
K
N
I'm
just
telling
you
what
someone
brought
to
my
attention
and
it's
just
how
everybody
has
a
different
perception,
based
on
their
background
and
and
and
and
the
things
that
they've
been
exposed
to
in
life,
see
things
differently.
So
I
think,
no
matter,
no
matter
what
we
put
put
on
on
this
someone's
gonna
find
something
in
it.
D
P
Thank
you,
davis,
yeah,
it's
not
related
to
a
nazi
eagle.
The
nazi
eagle
has
very
specific
characteristics
that
this
design
does
not
does
not
replicate.
Nazi
eagles
always
have
something
like
in
the
beak
they're,
always
holding
something
their
claws.
There's
hole,
they're,
holding
something
in
the
legs
of
their
claws,
and
and
this
doesn't
have
any
of
that
hitler
really
liked
old
heraldic
straight
lined,
graphic
images
and
the
eagle
that's
there
is
actually
quite
fluid
and
and
elegant,
it's
not
the
same
style
and
it
doesn't
have
any
of
the
same
characteristics.
P
It's
important
to
note
that
eagles
are
used
in
all
kinds
of
different
symbols
from
the
state
of
iowa
to
the
united
states.
It's
not.
Every
eagle
is
derived
from
the
nazi
eagle
and
it's
just
sort
of
important
to
remember
that
I
asked
everybody
in
my
family
and
nobody
saw
the
connection
I
checked
with
the
adl.
P
I
P
P
P
R
D
Well,
actually,
city
council
city
council
voted
seven
to
zero.
If
memory
serves
me
correct
that
that
the
this
committee
was
charged
with
how
to
change
the
current
police
insignia,
not
whether
to
change
the
current
police,
insignia,
and
so
our
our
task
at
hand
here,
is
to
determine
of
the
designs
that
we've
collected
that
we've
asked
for
that.
We've
asked
revisions
for
what
what
are
we
going
to
present
back
to
council?
We
are
not
making
final
decisions,
that
is
up
to
them.
D
They
are
elected
officials
and
and
they
get
that
heavy
lift.
But
we've
got
a
heavy
lift
in
determining
which
number
of
these
which
of
these
or
if
there
is
a
number
that
we
want
to
send
to
counsel
for
their
consideration.
But
it
is
important
to
note
that
our
task
here
is
to
decide
how
to
change
not
whether
to
change.
L
I
think
merely
all
she
was
doing
was
saying
that
these
anecdotal
comparisons,
that
can
be
a
slippery
slope.
We
understand
what
we're
charged
with
and
that
doesn't
change,
but
there
can
be
comparisons
made
that
she
didn't
see
anything
wrong
with
it.
She
didn't
see
it
was
a
nazi
eagle
and
we
don't
see
this
as
a
klu
klux
klan
thing.
That's
so
that's
I
think.
That's
all
I
took
remit.
It
was
once
we
get
into
these
anecdotal
comparisons.
Of
that.
That's
all
I'm
saying
so.
K
D
D
D
D
That
said,
that
may
not
be
well
liked
by
others
so
and
remember
remember
that
these
were
not
specific
instructions.
These
were
merely
suggestions
and
and
guidance
in
revisions.
So
no
white
lettering
talking
about
discovering
there
was
discussion,
including
some
language,
but
there
was
no
discussion
on
here
of
moving
away
from
any
any
design
palette
other
than
pointing
back
to
replacing
the
red
griffin
with
the
yellow
griffin.
As.
L
D
D
C
D
C
C
D
Q
Q
D
Q
Had
any
input
about,
but
I
know
if
they
were
looking
at
the
griffin
part,
I'm
just
saying
that
perhaps
you
know
that
it
was
really.
I
don't
know
how
the
voting
went
to
be
real,
honest,
but
I'm
just
saying
hypothetically,
it
could
be.
If
you
didn't
like
the
griffin,
everything
is
zero.
If
you
wanted
anything
but
the
girth
and
you
could
you
could
do
tens.
P
D
So
for
that
to
be
one
of
the
criterias
and
for
and
for
the
an
item
to
get
a
zero
on
color
contrast
that
you
know
I
personally,
I'm
I
was
sort
of
scratching
my
head
a
little
bit
on
that,
but
folks
have
to
sort
of
stick
by
their
votes.
Aaron
to
your
to
your
or
overall,
these
were
the
top
four
overall
okay,
okay.
R
R
R
Because
I
kept
waiting
for
that
and
that
never
came
up
and
of
course
I
was
truthful
with
my
things.
I
didn't
do:
zero
zero
zeros
or
10
10
tickets.
I
was
being
honest
what
we
were
told
to
do
at
the
beginning
of
everything
of
doing
this,
and
obviously
some
people
aren't
doing
it
and
that's
just
making
it
unfair
to
other
people
who
are
choosing
a
certain
patch.
But
if
people
are
putting
zero
zero,
zero,
zero,
that
ain't
correct,
that's
not
what
we
agreed
on
to
be
a
part
of
this
community.
R
D
R
I
don't
understand
why
I
wouldn't
have
been
when
it's
very
you
know
the
colors
escape
and
that's
what
we've
been
pushing
on
trying
to
keep
the
color
scheme
the
same
for
when
officers
are
working,
a
large
crowd,
it's
easier
for
us
to
spot
that
pack
with
those
colors.
That's
what
we've
all
we've
had
for
years.
R
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
agrees
with
me
or
not,
but
that's
just
seemed
odd
that
that
color
scheme
wasn't
in
the
wasn't
in
for
the
you
know,
something
like
I
said,
and
some
people
taking
zeros
and
they're
not
being
honest
on
all
their
other
answers.
For
the
picking
of
being
honest
on
the
questionnaire.
C
R
I
just
just
don't
think
it's
honest,
I
mean
there's
some
people
that
I
I'm
just
frustrated
with.
This
can't
do
it
in
person
and
I
understand
some
people
haven't
been
vaccinated,
but
I
go
to
a
gym.
I
still
do
things
I
wear
my
mask.
I
follow
all
the
guidelines
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
getting
frustrated
with
this.
D
But
it
wasn't
so
so
in
the
minutes.
I'm
sorry!
In
the
minutes
there
was
a
discussion
of
not
incl,
of
moving
away
from
a
red
griffin
that
that
was
a
part
of
the
discussion
in
last
month's
meeting.
I'm
certainly
artists
were
were
privy
to
that
to
the
to
the
the
youtube
version
of
that
meeting
and
were
able
to
review
the
discussion
afterwards,
and
so
I
suspect
that
that
is
a
part
of
the
reason
why
we
did
not
receive
those.
D
We
received
41
submissions
after
a
round
where
we
received
over
80
submissions
after
a
round
where
we
received
over
50
submissions.
So
I
don't
know
that
the
inclusion
of
an
additional
submission
when
we've
already
articulated
it,
including
that
of
a
design
that
did
not
rank,
provide
the
consensus
that
I
think
in
our
in
all
of
our
hearts
of
hearts
were
we're
hoping
we
can
get
to.
I
I
just
don't.
B
I
think
something
else
to
think
about
just
in
this
discussion,
and
I
I
appreciate
where
everyone
is
coming
from,
at
least
when
I
showed
pictures
of
remembering
that
the
griffin
when
we
think
about
the
mythological
creature,
the
head,
is
an
eagle.
So
people
didn't
automatically
think
with
the
griffin
like
it's
not
a
griffin
anymore.
People
still
identified
that
it
was
a
griffin
with
an
eagle's
head
and
wings
and
some
of
those
I
don't
know
what
other
thoughts
are
or
perceptions
and
I'm
sorry
somebody's,
not
muted.
So
I'm
not
going.
B
They
acknowledge
that
even
that
eagle's
head
is
still
our
griffin
and
there
wasn't
of
a
sensation
or
anything
that
made
them
go
back
away
from
it,
because
in
respect
to
what
we're
charged
with
doing
is
softening
the
griffin
and
that
eagle's
head,
which
shows
up
on
two
of
two
of
the
designs
that
were
there,
I
don't
want,
at
least
in
the
people
who
I
talked
to
their
mind,
was
that's
still
part
of
the
griffin.
It's
not
a
complete
break
away.
B
B
So
for
me
there
were
some.
The
red
and
yellows
I'll
be
up
front
zero
because
we
talked
about
it,
but
that
head
of
the
eagle
is
part
of
the
griffin
and
those
ones
weren't
as
difficult
to
look
at
and
say
you
know
what
here's
one
with
yellow
in
it
and
how
could
that
be
perceived?
That's
that's
just
my
take,
I
think,
we're
very
close
to
meeting
in
the
middle.
O
Appreciate
what
theresa
says
I
will
disagree
on
the
sitting
griffin
just
because
I
think
it
looks
lazy
and
I
don't
want
cops
to
look
lazy.
That's
kind
of
I
just.
I
just
think
the
city
griffin
looks
like
a
lazy
griffin,
and
you
know
it's
not
an
image
I
want
to
portray
for
the
officers.
That's
my
I
like
all
the
standing
ones.
I
just
do
not
like
the
sitting
ones
because
personal
preference,
it
looks
lazy.
It
looks
like
a
dog
sitting
down
being
lazy
and
I
don't
want
that
perception
transferred
to
the
officers.
B
T
Yes
from
all
the
people
that
I've
interacted
with
and
I'm
on
several
different
committees
and
belong
to
several
different
organizations
and
I've
showed
them
all
the
pictures
and
the
one
thing
that
they
reiterate
the
most
is.
It
sounds
like
they're
stuck
on
a
patch
and
not
what
the
position
of
an
officer
means
and
they're
like
they're,
more
dedicated
to
a
patch
instead
of
being
dedicated
to
their
job,
and
I'm
just
sharing
what
has
been
shared
with
me,
and
so
in
stating
that
you
know
different
organizations
have
logos,
but
our
dedication
is
not
to
the
logo.
T
T
T
Q
Cliff
cliff
here
yeah
getting
back
to
joe.
I
agree.
I
think
it's
it's
the
old,
the
griffin
that
looks
to
be
obedient,
perhaps
not
vigilant,
obedient,
looks
like
he's
ready
for
a
biscuit
because
he's
he's
you
know
just
shook
your
hand,
my
opinion.
I
I
think
the
standing
one
was
better
and
the
one
that
they
got
the
most
votes.
Q
D
A
lot
of
us
here
know
that
any
any
resemblance
any
any
any
nod
to
an
an
eagle
bar
needle
head
or
a
griffin,
or
any
of
that
I've
heard
from
a
number
of
folks
folks
who
are
incredibly
important
in
my
life,
whose
opinions
I
value
more
than
frankly,
more
than
most
you
know,
I
hear
those
folks
and
and
they're
saying
just
do
away
with
all
of
it
right
get
rid
of
get
rid
of
all
of
it.
No,
no
animal,
no
mythological
creatures,
no
nothing!
D
The
intent
was
that
we
could
find
some
level
of
compromise,
and
that
compromise
was
ultimately
going
to
be
something
that
not
everybody
was
going
to
absolutely
love
most
most
often
compromise
is
something
that
no
one.
The
compromise
product
is
something
that
no
one
ultimately
loves,
but
it
is
something
that
can
speak
to
both
sides
of
an
argument
on
both
sides
and
two
different
perspectives,
and
I
think
that
that
design,
given
its
high
scores,
given
its
nods
to
sort
of
both
sides
of
this
discussion,
I
think
that
it
has.
M
L
That's
I
mean
I
have
to
be
accountable
to
to
the
officers
that
I
work
with
and
I'm
hearing
that
color
scheme
is
important.
I'm
hearing
vigilance,
important
and
also
griffin's
important,
and
I
know
I
can't
have
all
of
them,
so
I
just
want
to
know
what's
what
some
some
of
the
other
members
might
think
about?
Something
like
that.
K
D
K
A
K
P
K
L
P
M
L
L
Yeah
that
that's
all
I'm
saying
is
the
the
patch
that
we
have
now
the
color
scheme
that
we
have
at
this
current
moment.
If
that
could
be
transposed
into
this
patch,
I
would.
I
would
like
to
see
that,
and
I
would
like
to
see
how
that
would
be
accepted
by
the
committee
and
then
the
officers
that
I've
been
trying
to
represent.
D
D
D
D
Background
black
lettering
is
there
and
are
you?
Is
there
potentially
you
know
looking
at
the
design,
there
might
be
some
desire
to
to
maybe
tinker
around
with
a
little
bit
of
that
just
depending
on.
If
you
look
at,
for
instance,
the
one
it's
actually
dead
center,
so
that
would
ultimately
be
107d.
It's
the
one
with
the
the
yellow
background
with
the
blue
and
black
griffin.
Would
that
you
know
so.
D
K
D
S
The
re,
the
addition
of
red
is
just
the
old
patch
2.0,
it's
just
it's
just
it
for
me
is
too
much
of
a
rehash
of
what
we,
what
what
was
removed,
what
was
retired
and
so
coming
back
with
the
exact
same
thing,
exact
same
color
scheme,
and
everything
is
just
a
bit
much
to
me,
two
out
of
three,
like
meatloaf
song,
two
out
of
three
ain't,
bad.
My
opinion.
D
B
So
that's
what
we
sent
to
the
artist,
because
that's
what
we've
asked
from
them
and
looking
at
it
there
is
that
two
out
of
three,
like
the
word
vigilance
is
still
there.
It
didn't
get
removed.
The
established
my
understanding
was.
That
was
something
that
pretty
much
everybody
like
was
having
when
it
was
established
at
this
point.
If
we
don't
have
to
have
one
design,
can
we
just
send
four
designs
to
council
or
do
we
have
to
say
here's
the
one.
P
O
Yeah,
just
before
we
send
anything
to
the
council,
I
would
like
to
get
a
chance
to
send
them
to
our
vendor
just
to
see
what
they
say.
They're.
You
know
they
do
this
every
day
for
a
living.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
say
yeah.
You
can
do
it.
No,
you
can't
it'll
cost
more
it'll
cost
less,
just
those
kind
of
things
from
them.
O
L
M
L
This
one
this
is,
I
don't
even
consider
this
a
griffin
design-
and
I
know
that's
my
opinion,
but
I
don't
know
the
two
out
of
three
I'm
the
the
griffin
is
totally
different.
It's
completely
outside
of
what
we
have
now
that
I
would
see
as
a
big
win
for
the
the
other
side
of
this
and
just
to
ask
for
the
color
scheme
and
and
vigilance.
L
It
seems
pretty
reasonable,
but
I
I
feel,
like
I'm
kind
of
bending
over
backwards
here,
to
try
and
try
to
reach
something
and
taking
a
beating
while
while
doing
it,
but
I'm
I'm
also
willing
to
retract
that
statement
about
the
red
griffin,
because
I'm
it
was
reference
that
specific
griffin,
not
this
one.
I
still
like
the
color
scheme
because
of
the
officer
safety
aspect
of
it,
because
if
it's
easily
identifiable
the
the
yellow
and
the
blue,
I
don't
know
if
so
much
is.
P
L
Yes,
I
said
that
I
could
see
where
a
red
griffin
might
be
problematic,
so
I
could
be
you
know
open
to
that.
I
don't
exactly
remember
what
I
was
word
for
word,
but
it
really
wasn't
my
intent
to
not
have
any
of
the
submissions
come
back
as
as
that,
so
I
I
mean
that's
unfortunate,
but
I
guess
I
still
own
that
statement,
but.
L
P
No,
no
because
we
made
that
list
right
each
badge
and
we
made
the
list
all
together
of
the
revisions
we
wanted
to
see
and
like
major
joe
specifically
asked
like
the
gold
border,
so
that
it
would
really
pop-
and
you
know
the
suggested
color
schemes,
and
I
I
just
I'm
just
worried.
You
know
I
don't
recall
that
that
was
included
in
the
first
place.
L
D
M
O
Davis
yep,
I
don't
know
if
you're
watching
the
chat,
but
I'm
gonna
give
teresa
a
shout
out
for
a
good
idea.
She
put
in
the
chat
that
if
we
could
get
the
patches
made
and
actually
present
them,
that
might
even
be
better
yet
because
you
know
what
it
looks
like
on
a
computer
screen
versus
what
it
looks
like
coming
out.
O
O
D
C
The
the
one
thing
that
I
just
want
to
point
out
is
that
it
might
not
be
the
current
design
of
the
griffin
that
everybody's
used
to,
but
that
bird
that's
on,
that
is
a
griffin
head,
and
so
I
think
the
police
side
can
take
away
with
that
that
they
are
getting
if
the
griffin
is
what's
really
important
to
them.
The
griffin
is
still
on
that
design
and
I
think
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind.
C
C
A
Not
a
question-
and
I
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
moving
this
away
from
the
thread
of
the
conversation,
but
that
this
is
why
I
wanted
those
top
four
up
there.
If
we
go
to
the
next
step
with
these
four
making
patches
or
just
submitting
them
davis,
you
and
I
had
a
an
email
conversation
about
this
109
b
is
emblematic
of
the
fourth
street
pedestrian
bridge
and
the
waterloo
community
foundation
uses
a
very
similar,
but
not
quite
I.
K
P
D
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
certainly
up
up
to
us
all
to
to
discuss
and
weigh
you
know
the
scoring
is.
Is
we've
talked
sort
of
throughout
this
process
that
the
scoring
is
one
part
of
the
equation
and
determining
what
the
patch
is
going
to
be?
It's
not
sort
of
the
sole
determinant,
but
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
an.
K
K
N
A
new
hand-
and
I
was
just
gonna-
I
aaron-
beat
me
to
it,
because
I
believe
at
the
beginning
of
this
you
said
that
that
107c
was
like
one
through
seven
or
something
like
that,
and
then
we
picked
up
number
two
and
and
then
the
third
one
was
even
farther
down
the
list.
I'm
I
I
echo
what
aaron
says.
I
I'm
surprised
that
we're
deviating
from
the
top
of
the
group.
D
B
O
You
go
that
route
if
you
you're,
basically
going
to
send
one
group
of
patches
and
I
think
that's
going
to
limit
our
options
when
they
come
back
and
we
look
at
them
and
say
we
send
the
top
six
well
they're
all
going
to
look
somewhat
the
same,
they're
all
the
same
design
and
say
it
looks
bad
well
now
we
just
sent
six
got
six
designs
back
that
don't
work.
I
mean
I
would
think
you're
better
off
taking
the
top
design
from
each
category.
O
So
you
look
at
them
individually
and
say:
okay
yeah
this
works.
This
doesn't
and
we
get
an
idea.
I
think
we
know
which
ones
we're
going
to
go
with.
If
we
go
with
a
category,
so
I
think
limiting
our
category
to
basically,
you
know
you
do
one
through
six.
It's
all
the
same
packs
just
different
colors,
and
that,
I
think,
is.
Why
would
we
send
those
to
be
designed.
D
B
And
for
me
just
so,
you
know
when
I'm
saying
like
I
I
personally
like
whether
it's
on
a
patch
or
not,
I'm
not
the
we're,
not
making
the
final
decision.
I
think
that
they
before
they're
sent
to
council.
They
should
have
the
patches
there
so
that
they're
looking
at
what
decision
they're
making.
Because
for
us
it's
just
a
recommendation.
F
O
To
physically
look
at
touch
feel
depending
on
cost.
Obviously
I
don't
know
what
they've
charged
us
they
are.
Our
vendor
they've
been
pretty
good
through
this
process.
They
may
do
it
just
on
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
remain
our
vendor,
but
I
think
I
was
planning
on
getting
if
we
do
four
there's
12
committee
members,
48
patches
and
divvying
them
out
and
getting
them.
O
D
Yeah,
so
we've
got
some
discussion
that
sort
of
take
a
step
back
from
from
the
actual
stitched
patch,
but
there's
been
some
discussion
on
whether
to
to
go
with
the
simply
top
four
designs,
oh
in
terms
of
of
how
folks
ranked
or
from
one
from
each
category,
and
we
need
to
at
least
come
to
some
finality
on
that.
One.
A
P
P
So
that's
like
you
know,
that's
different
enough
from
the
one
with
the
badge
over
it.
It's
completely
different
shapes
on
the
inside.
I
I
don't
I
mean
I
understand
it
would
be
repetitive
the
same
to
send
the
same
badge
in
different
color
iterations,
but
this
actually
has
a
lot
more
to
it
than
just
that.
O
I'm
okay
with
that
I
mean
I
don't
you
know,
I'm
okay
with
sending
the
five.
I
think
that
this
one
is
substantially
different.
She
is
correct.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that.
This
one
makes
you
know,
may
look
better.
It
is
number
two
on
the
list
from
all
our
votes,
so
we
could
certainly
do
that.
That's
not
you
know
and
then
get
them
in
hand
and
see
now,
if
that
doesn't
work,
we
can
revisit
this.
P
Like,
oh,
I
don't,
oh
I'm
so
bad
at
the
numbers.
Let
me
see
107
and
109
are
on
both
lists.
Is
that
correct?
So
what?
If
we
just
added
the
109c,
the
107g
and
then
the
other
yellow
bridge
design
and
the
the
sitting
griffin
design,
because
in
the
end
it
would
only
be
it
would
only
be
six
and
then
we're,
including
the
top
four,
and
also
including
the
top
from
every
category.
P
O
D
P
D
P
D
M
R
K
M
K
B
I
think
that
would
open
us
up
to
with
other
people
didn't
get
to
submit
just
taking
a
30
000
step
back
foot
view
for
things.
That
picture
wasn't
submitted
so
now
to
accept
submissions
past
our
due
date.
We
would
have
to
open
it
community
wide
and
we
would
be
starting
the
process
over
because
the
artist
who
did
meet
the
submission
date.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
voted
on,
whoever
the
artist
is
for
that
one
didn't
get
it
in
for
submission.
E
B
D
D
P
O
P
P
I'm
so
sorry,
but
hopefully
you
know
if
we
just
keep
it
really
small
and
like
we're
very
transparent
with
how
many
are
produced
right
and
then
the
files
are
sent
to
the
netherland
of
files
right
so
that
people
can't
steal
the
designs.
I
think,
as
long
as
we're
conscious
about
it
it
should
it
should
be
okay,
I
mean,
but
we
just
we
can't
print
out
a
hundred
and
pass
them
around
right
like
that's.
That
would
be
a
copyright
issue,
but
I
think
it's
fine
for
the
committee
members.
I
actually
think
that's
a
great
idea.
F
M
M
D
K
D
K
D
M
K
D
A
P
Too
late
for
that,
so
they've
already
been
released
through
newspapers
and
things
like
that,
but
releasing
a
picture
of
something
in
the
newspaper
that's
being
considered,
is
very
different
than
handing
over
a
vector
file
of
a
design.
So
that's
that's.
My
only
concern
is
that
now
we're
asking
to
put
these
designs
into
production
and
if
you
know
we're
not
careful
with
how
we
treat
those
vector
files,
you
know
we
just
you
know,
but
there's
a
difference
right.
The
media
are
allowed
to
do
print
journalism,
but
they're
not
giving
away
the
file.
D
D
I
D
C
C
If
we
and
that's
the
biggest
expense
that
we
have
is
replacing
all
of
those
guns,
what
do
you
think
of
not
replacing
the
logo
on
the
gun
or
waiting
a
year,
doing
everything
right
away,
but
not
doing
the
guns
until
next
fiscal
year?
What
what
kind
of
response
I
mean?
Most
people,
don't
see
the
officers
guns
and
when
they
do
see
it,
they
don't
notice
the
logos
on
there.
D
B
I
don't
know
that
we
have
been
charged
with
that.
So
what
I
would
say
sharon
is,
I
think,
from
a
community
standpoint.
At
least
the
people
that
I
am
here
representing
is
knowing
that
there's
a
process
for
it
to
be
done
is
like
if
it's
not
something
we
could
afford
right
now,
but
we
know
that
it
would
be
planned
for
in
a
year
or
two
budget
that
that
that
would
definitely
be
doable,
because
we
are
making
progress
towards
our
our
goal
here,
because
council
did
vote
to
remove
it.
B
It
just
wouldn't
be
one
like
your
most
immediate
need.
I
don't
I
I
personally
don't
think
that
the
gun
is
the
main
issue,
knowing
that
it
would
be
replaced
because
you
already
voted
to
do
it.
So
I
don't,
I
don't
think
you'd
have
the
opposition.
Okay,
thank
you.
Somebody
else
can
speak
if
you,
if
you
think
I'm
wrong.
A
This
tim,
I
I
like
sharon's
concept.
I
re,
I
recall
asking
that
same
question
a
couple
months
ago
and
joe
had
a
immediate
response
to
it.
In
terms
of
you
know,
issues
in
a
in
a
police
use
of
force
incident,
but
firearms
are
all
also
retired
on
on
some
sort
of
a
schedule
or
some
sort
of
reason.
You
could
even
amend
that
to
putting
it
on
the
firearms
as
they're
replaced.
C
D
I
N
L
Well,
I
mean
repeatedly:
we've
been
told:
what's
in
our
scope
and
what's
not
in
our
scope,
but
if
we're
our
opinions
being
elicited,
phasing
it
in
would
seem
to
make
sense.
If
we're
strapped
cars
would
seem
to
be
the
logical
choice.
The
city
garage,
I
think,
can
do
a
lot
of
that
stuff.
Maybe
not
it
could
be
wrong,
but
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
we're
being
asked.
So
I
guess
I
would
say
phasing
it
in.