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B
B
A
You
first
item
on
the
agenda:
is
the
approval
of
the
March
2000
March
10
2016
minutes?
Could
it
get
emotional
second
motion
by
mr.
McGuire
second
by
mr.
Stein,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
Charles
readlyn
doing
business
as
prairie
prairie
CA
our
LLC
permit
number
one
six:
five:
seven:
zero,
seeking
a
variance
for
requirements
of
city
zoning
ordinance
for
the
property
located
1404,
ninth
Avenue
Southwest.
B
This
is
application
for
permit
number
one,
six,
five,
seven
zero.
The
C
three
zone
lot
of
record
is
compliant
with
an
area
and
with
regulations.
Existing
4636
square
foot
structure
is
non-conforming
commercial
buildings
setting
ten
feet
from
the
side.
West
property
line
where
20
foot
is
required.
The
proposed
1440
4.5
square
foot
addition
will
be
constructed
in
compliance
with
all
the
current
height
and
placement
regulations.
B
The
parcel
lacks
the
standard,
Boulevard
infrastructure
requirements,
Boulevard
grass
trees,
sidewalk
trail
of
urban
gutter.
The
board
has
the
authority
to
require
fulfillment
of
any
and
all
Boulevard
instructor
requirements
in
conjunction
with
any
special
improvement
authorized
by
the
Billy
print.
This
is
the
same
one
I've
come
to
you
guys
two
weeks
ago
that
we
just
took
it
through
the
conditional
use
for
them
to
have
light
manufacturing
again.
They're
just
gonna,
build
it
a
conforming
addition
down
here
that
census
and
non
conforming
structures
got
to
come
back
before
you
even
for
a
conforming
addition.
B
A
B
A
B
A
Be
able
to
keep
that
on
site
rather
than
on
the
road
correct
see.
None
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
ask
for
a
motion
in
a
second
for
any
further
discussion
motion
by
mr.
Stein,
second
by
mr.
Dahle,
any
other
discussion
on
it.
Any
questions
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
item
number
three
on
the
the
agendas
are
in
our
holdings.
Holdings
LLC
permit
number
one:
two,
nine
four
one
is
seeking
approval
to
modify
a
site
plan
that
previously
was
approved
with
conditional
use.
B
Plan,
where
previously
approved
conditional
used
to
allow
a
five
thousand
three
hundred
seventy
six
square-foot
32
by
168
building
with
twelve
storage
units.
Previously
this
board
approved
a
four
thousand
five
hundred
square
foot
30
by
a
hundred
and
fifty
commercial
storage
building.
So
basically,
what
we're
down
to
is
the.
B
Gonna
go
over
here
when
they
first
came
to
you.
They
had
put
that
as
30
by
a
150
everybody's
been
telling
them.
They
gotta
go
at
least
thirty
two
feet
wide
to
get
those
campers
and
boats
and
all
that
stuff
in
there.
So
they're
just
coming
back
and
modifying
it,
since
it
was
a
conditional
use,
they
gotta
come
back
to
you
to
go
for
and
they're
just
want
to
make
that
building
32
by
168
versus
the
30
by
150,
there's
no
other
issues
or
conditions.
That's
with
this
other
than
a
Gorn.
B
E
A
B
A
B
F
A
G
A
That's
contractors,
storage
in
contractor
storage,
you're
allowed
to
put
things
outside,
but
I
too
was
under
the
assumption
that
that
project
was
not
going
to
have
any
outside
storage.
Yet
there's
20
units
outside
all
the
time
which
is
an
eyesore,
but
this
is
because
this
is
c3
commercial
storage
they're
not
allowed
in
any
of
the
commercial
storage
facilities
that
are
in
the
c3
zone
up
and
down
the
highways
they're
not
allowed
to
have
any
outside
storage
unless
it's
something
that's
for
sale,
for
instance,
of
Runnings
that
puts
panels
outside
that
are
actually
products
for
sale.
A
B
A
H
H
A
H
A
I
H
H
One
of
the
proposed
uses
that
would
go
in
there
is
the
proposed
movie
theater.
So
that's
why
it
needs
to
be
rezone
to
our
commercial
use
it
upon
appearance.
It
would
appear
to
be
a
spot
zone,
but
is
that's
not
true
in
essence
of
what
other
businesses
are
in
the
area?
There's
a
hotel
across
the
street
that
was
a
conditional
use
in
an
i1
there's
other
businesses
in
the
area
that
were
conditional
uses
as
I
want.
So
essentially
it's
a
commercial
district.
H
A
A
Seeing
none
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
ask
for
a
motion
in
a
second
for
discussion
motion
by
mr.
Stein
second
by
mr.
Arnold,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
or
any
a
few
excuse
me
any
discussion.
Anything
with
any
other
questions.
Home
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion.
Carries
next
item.
Is
resolution
o
201
606,
it's
the
vacation
of
the
alley.
H
Correct
the
same
owner
petition
for
the
vacation
of
4th
Street,
you
can
see
on
the
diagram
up
here,
there's
a
right
away
established
for
12th
Avenue
of
salty
East
and
North
4th
Street
northeast
earth.
Street
southeast
excuse
me
comes
from
212
down
salt
into
this
property
and
then
dead
ends
into
the
adjoining
property
to
the
south.
The.
H
Have
requested
vacation
of
that
segment
of
4th
Street?
There
is
some
utilities
located
in
there
that
are
owned.
The
one
I
know
is
owned
by
Watertown
municipal
utilities
and
would
need
to
be
relocated
and
an
easement
would
need
to
be
drafted
for
that
relocation.
But
at
this
point
the
petition
is
to
vacate
that
portion
of
4th
Street
and
with
the
SAS
factory
location
of
those
utilities.
We
have
no
reason
to
not
support
the
vacation.
They.
A
H
H
H
Okay,
so
theoria
in
question
is
if
you
following
the
mouse
around
along
highway,
2
or
81
along
the
property
known
as
the
John
Deere
dealership
back
up.
This
is
all
owned
by
forsberg
and
they're
coming
forward.
So
the
two
things
arteries
on
this
district
and
also
to
vacate
this
portion
of
4th
Street
southeast,
ok.
F
H
H
F
H
In
here,
the
idea
that
we're
being
discussed
right
now
is
a
combined
driveway
here
that
would
serve
both
lot
1
and
lot
two
and
then
the
other
driveway
would
be
somewhere
south
right
now.
They're
requesting
a
three
use
of
this
entrance
on
the
south
edge
of
the
property.
However,
we're
asking
them
to
entertain
a
driveway
which
would
be
lined
up
across
from
12th
Avenue
and
those
are
ongoing
discussions
and
things
that
we're
considering
and
that's.
Why
we're
having
just
discussion
on
the
plat
today?
H
F
K
H
H
F
A
A
H
A
Looked
at
this
I
were
you
around
then
Dennis.
When
we
looked
at
vacating
this
years
ago,
yeah
a
long
time
ago,
I
think
we
we
proposed
it.
They
got
shot
down
at
the
time.
So
any
other
questions
for
Shane
last
for
a
motion
and
a
second.
This
is
on.
This
is
on
the
vacation
resolution.
201
6-0,
six
motion
by
mr.
Arnold
second
by
mr.
Stein,
any
other
discussion
all
in
favor
say.
Aye
next
item
is
the
tool
1
607
its
the
Platt.
It's
just
for
discussion.
H
H
Sewer
coming
up
along
the
front
of
the
property
along
the
highway
right
away,
but
we
want
to
continue
the
discussion
of
the
extension
of
those
utilities
back
so
that
we
have
access
to
sewer
and
water
utilities
on
the
4th,
Street
and
12th
Avenue
pieces
going
into
the
future.
So
and
what
that
could
mean
simply
is
that
we
provide
an
easement
across
the
South
portion
of
lot
1
or
an
easement
over
portions
of
either
lot
1
and
lot
2.
H
H
A
H
So
pair
their
own
parking
lot
and
some
of
the
ideas
that
we've
started.
Preliminary
discussions
on
is
maybe
creating
a
either
roadway
access
through
here
or
actually
plat
the
roadway
through
here,
rather
than
a
driveway,
and
those
are
so
preliminary
right
now.
I
wouldn't
they're,
just
ideas
that
we're
talking
about
back
and
forth
at
this
point,
so
there's
a
potential
that
this
will
become
a
roadway,
but
right
now
that's
very,
very
preliminary.
Okay.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
in
regard
to
the
discussion
on
the
plot.
Seeing
none
I
will
go
on
to
item
number
three.
Stony
point
third
edition.
With
this
one
shame
we've
got,
we've
got
four
resolutions.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
them
all
and
vote
at
the
end?
In
the
last
one
we
talked
about
each
one
and
then
voted
individually.
We
open
the
public
hearing,
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
talk
about
each
resolution.
I.
D
A
You
stony
point:
we've
been
around
this
one:
we've
been
around
this
block
more
than
most
of
us
care
to
be
around
the
block,
but
so
tonight
what
we'll
do
is
we're
gonna,
take
a
look
at
what's
in
front
of
us.
I'd
like
people
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
in
the
public
here
and
if
they'd
say
anything.
I
would
like
to
try
to
keep
the
discussion
as
short
as
possible.
So
we're
not
all
here
too
late,
make
a
note.
A
Dennis
Arnold
will
participate
in
the
discussion,
but
will
be
recuse
himself
from
all
votes.
As
he's
in
adjacent
landowner,
the
other
thing
is
South.
Dakota
Wildlife
Federation
put
a
put
an
item
on
each
desk.
It
was
there
their
thoughts
on
it.
So
if
you
could
make
a
note
of
that
for
the
public
record.
H
All
of
the
lot
layouts
lot
lines
rolled
widths,
sidewalk
and,
for
the
most
part,
the
route
of
the
road
through
the
Prairie
Hills
are
essentially
the
same
as
the
previous
preliminary
plan.
There
may
be
some
very,
very
minor
things
with
regard
to
the
roadway
through
Prairie
Hills,
but
that's
not
essential
to
the
to
a
large
discussion.
What
did
change
is
they?
They
did
come
back
here.
Our
information
request
for
additional
storm
water
detention
and
for
water
quality
facilities.
So
this
plan
primarily.
H
Incorporates
those
aspects
of
our
discussion
from
the
previous
plan
that
would
review
it
does
does
still
include
a
channel
a
proposed
channel
from
Lake
Camp
Eska
that
would
share
an
entrance
through
the
hidden
valleys
channel
and
at
this
time
I
guess
that's
as
simple
as
their
explanations.
I
want
to
provide
and
let
the
public
hearing
proceed
bring
to
light
any
other
discussion.
H
D
A
A
Excuse
me
the
DENR
weighed
in
on
the
hundred
year,
storm
water,
this
hundred
year
storm
water.
Under
your
event,
retention.
At
that
point
we
had
said
staff
had
felt
that
the
lake
itself
handled
that
load
and
DNR
didn't
agree
with
us,
came
back
and
said
they
have
to
handle
their
own
and
we
sent
them
back
and
now
this
plan
does
retain
the
100-year
event.
The.
A
A
H
L
A
H
A
I
think
that's
an
assurance.
We
need
to
have
I.
You
know.
I've
talked
to
a
few
people
on
that
wetland
and
nobody
wants
wetlands
to
be
disrupted
or
moved
around
there's
times
that
they
have
to
be
disrupted
or
moved
around.
We
always
hear
the
horror
stories
where
they
mitigate
him
ten
miles
away.
In
this
case,
the
mitigation
will
happen
on
that
lot,
that
the
wetland
sits
on
so
whatever
they
remove
removed
from
the
north
he'll
fill
in
from
the
south.
That's
the
concept
anyway,
yeah
Shane.
D
So
the
water,
the
water,
drainage
retention
and
so
forth
from
what
I
in
my
review
in
the
last
two
days
is
different
than
what
I'm
looking
at
on
this
sheet
and
that's
what
I
reviewed
yesterday
I
just
think
you
need
to
go
through
that,
because
I
think
the
retention,
water
quality
and
so
forth
of
how
that
water
is
getting
into
the
lakes,
been
a
concern
and
that
that's
been
talked
about.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
that
that
gets
explained
here.
There's.
D
H
H
They're
gonna
have
a
depression
that
that
is
below
the
edge
of
the
wall
and
runoff
of
these
properties
down
into
that
area
and
be
detained,
and
then
it
has
a
filtration
system
that
then
helps
with
the
water
quality
aspect
of
it
and
then
ultimately
does
get
released
in
this
case,
if
the
channel
was
the
ultimate
need
to
be
constructed,
that
would
be
released
through
the
wall
of
the
channel
through
those
facilities.
If
some
other
path
has
chosen
I
suppose
it
would
release
into
a
grassy
swale
or
some
other
okay.
D
Because
what
I
had
understood
yesterday,
when
I
met
with
some
folks
and
reviewed
this
and
quite
at
quite
length
and
in
depth,
was
that
all
of
the
water
that
came
to
the
south,
which,
on
the
previous
plan
that
I
have
in
front
of
me
and
under
I,
realize
that
was
changed
after
the
agendas
were
sent
out.
But
all
of
that
drainage
is
south
and
all
of
those
easements
and
water
retention
facilities
that
were
on
the
south
are
no
longer
there.
D
All
of
the
water
runs
to
the
north
into
a
settling
pond
and
then
ultimately,
is
piped
out
of
there.
The
concern
we
had
up
north
with
the
Williams
property
condos
property
was
that
we
had
water
running
down
through
her
property
and
at
one
time
there
was
a
berm
and
so
forth,
built
there.
But
at
this
point
on
the
new
plan,
if
I
understand
it
right,
there
will
be
no
water
at
all,
which,
probably
for
years,
has
run
down
to
kondeh,
but
at
a
slower
rate,
because
there
was
grass
and
trees
and
everything
else
there.
D
H
H
D
J
F
H
I
I
In
this
area
right
here
and
then
we
have
a
line
that
comes
to
hear
about
right
here,
where
that
the
emergency
road
access
that,
let's
call
it
green
there
and
we
have
a
line
that
runs
up
here
to
this
area
here
and
then
come
over
here
into
the
call
to
sack
and
with
service
all
these.
These
Lots
in
this
area.
From
that,
then,
from
from
this
point,
it
comes
down
here
around
the
curve
and
into
this
cul-de-sac
and
the
service.
C
I
And
the
water,
it's
all
up
in
that
area,
so
there's
also
a
water
line
that
runs
existing
now,
but
that's
going
to
be
have
to
be
relocated
and
then,
with
new
water
lines
coming
down
the
street
into
this
area
here,
then
they
have
a
line
that
comes
down
here
and
it
runs
west,
their
existing
does
no.
Now
some
adjustments
has
to
be
made
to
that
as
well.
You
know
not
only
for
location
but
also
for
getting
under
the
channel.
F
A
I
I
I
G
D
I
understand
it:
I'm
asking
a
question:
I
know
the
answer
to
but
I'm,
not
if
I
didn't
have.
If
I
wouldn't
have
had
a
discussion
with
you
yesterday
and
I
was
sitting
on
the
board.
I,
don't
think
I'd
understand
it.
Maybe
the
rest
of
you
do
and
I'm
a
little
dense
here
today.
Oh
that's,
why
I'm
asking
the
question
or
for
your
new
audience
so
I.
I
Wouldn't
understand
the
drainage,
the
drainage
will
be
from
this
area
down
to
into
just
there's
a
pond
right
here
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
storm
sewer
that
comes
across
you
into
an
another
pond
on
this
side
to
handle
the
water
quality,
and
both
ponds
have
been
designed
to
handle
a
100-year
flood
in
that
area.
Now
the
section
of
the
roadway
it
runs
to
the
north
to
a
point
about
in
here
where
there's
a
pond
alongside
the
roadway,
and
we
have
a
an
inlet
there
as
well
to
pick
up
that
drain.
I
Here
basically
comes
down
to
this
point
here
and
we're
treating
that
water
containing
the
under
your
flows.
Is
that
going
to
so
that's
the
concept
of
the
plan
right
now
so
in
the
outlet
for
this
pond
here
is
in
a
storm
sewer
that
comes
in
and
now
listen
in
this
corner
of
the
channel
to
get
that
water
out
so
and
then
that's
you
know,
like
you
know,
we're
conforming
to
the
ordinance
where
we
just
release
it
at
pre.
I
D
F
There's
about
six
acres
up
there,
where
that
channel,
that
goes
into
the
Hidden
Valley
Channel,
and
it's
a
meet
one
of
the
last
fish
Marion
areas
on
the
lake
and
just
because
you
dig
out
south
of
there
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that's
where
the
fish
will
go
to
spawn
the
fish
may
just
cease
to
spawn
I.
I
have
I
still
have
a
concern
with
that
channel
going
through
that
fish
rearing
area.
F
I
Only
area
that
channel
that's
going
through
is
right
here
and
now,
and
then
the
Hidden
Valley
a
little
bit
and
that's
the
area
that
will
need
to
be
mitigated.
And
that's
the
only
portion
that
this
channel
is
into
the
well
in
there.
And
that
has
been
delineated.
And
we
have
a
consultant
looking
at
that
and
discussing
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
Who
decides
what?
What
is
needed
to
be
done
for
his
mitigation
and
what
I
understand.
F
I
This
part
of
the
wetland
right
here,
there's
a
bird
right
there
and
it
separates
it
from
the
lake,
is
what
it
does.
You
have
two
types
of
wetlands
there
one
it's
called
a
riverine
type
wetland
which
is
the
lake
and
the
other
part
is
very
similar
to
what's
down
in
this
area
here.
So
that's
a
classic
classifications
that
has
been
determined
by
the
Corps.
So
no
it's
that's
about
the
extent
that
I
know
of
it.
The
consultant
that
we're
working
with
she
knows
a
whole
lot
more
than
I
do
about
it.
I
K
I
A
Well,
when
the
channel
exits
and
goes
into
the
Hidden
Valley
Channel,
is
there
any
protection
on
that
piece
where
we'd
probably
see
right
now
or
that
a
little
bit
of
dark
where
the
water
goes
through?
Is
there
any
protection
there?
What?
What
exactly
does
the
channel
look
like
I
see
this
kind
of
a
finger
that
goes
out
on
there
is
that
cement
is
that.
I
That's
that
finger
that
you're,
referring
to
is,
is
right
along
this
edge
right
here
and
what
that
is.
There
is
a
the
berm
that
was
developed
years
ago
when,
as
I
understand
when
he
dug
the
channel
for
the
yule
stalling
me.
I
hope
I
pronounced
that
right
in
that
channel.
So
the
boats
that
they
ferried
around
back
by
the
Williams
back
in
years
ago
and
that's
what
they
when
he
dug
that
channel,
if
that's
where
they
piled
the
dirt
from
that
and.
I
A
A
J
I'm
Dave
Johnson,
with
the
competitive
chapter
of
the
Isaac
Walton
League
and
I,
am
just
here
because
Bob
Bemis
contacted
us,
Bob
Bemis
can't
be
here
today.
He
is
the
president
of
the
Hidden
Valley
Services
homeowners
association,
and
he
sent
the
message
that
he
asked
us
to
share
that
the
association
is
opposed
to
any
Bo
canal
that
would
use
our
existing
canal
and/or
its
entrance.
The
association
also
feels
that
the
existing
wetlands
be
left
as
is
and
not
disturbed.
J
The
canal
would
disrupt
these
essential
wetlands
and
also
cause
pollution
to
Lake
Camp
Eska
and
the
Hidden
Valley
channel.
Please
forward
this
on
to
the
Planning
Commission,
so
that
our
association
can
go
on
record
in
opposition
to
disturbing
the
wetland
area
and
the
Isaac
Walton
League
also
continues
to
maintain
that
the
wetlands
should
not
be
disturbed.
So
that's
it.
I
have.
J
A
D
But
the
Hidden
Valley
Association
assesses
all
of
the
owners
a
live
in
Hidden
Valley,
a
homeowner's
assessment
every
year
that
we
pay
and
that
money
is
set
aside
for
the
maintenance
of
two
things
it
used
to
be
for
the
maintenance
of
the
road,
because
the
road
was
a
private
road
and
also
the
channel,
and
we
also
own
some
land,
the
boat
ramp
at
the
end
of
the
channel.
That
particular
piece
of
property
is
owned
by
Hidden
Valley,
so
we
maintained
a
boat
ramp
with
that
money.
D
A
A
A
K
It
was
a
man-made
channel,
it
was
planted
by
shul
and
Bart
Ron
when
they
planted
Hidden
Valley
and
that
land
the
channel
was
built
in,
but
never
deeded
to
the
city,
never
deeded
to
anybody,
not
the
land,
underneath
it.
No,
it's
kind
of
like
being
a
farmer
right
now,
if
your
lands
flooded
and
you
can
get
out
you're,
okay,
but
if
the
lake
level
goes
down-
and
you
can't
come
through
long.
K
A
K
A
K
G
G
G
But
we
have
this
report
and
if
people
don't
have
copies
of
it
before
them,
we
will
get
copies
before
the
day
is
out,
so
that
you
can
review
them
and
it's
all
technical
stuff,
but
I'm,
just
gonna
read
the
conclusion.
If
you
don't
have
it
in
front
of
you,
the
stony
point
third
edition
2016
preliminary
plans
still
result
in
a
significant
increase
of
the
site's
area
draining
to
Lake
Camp
Eska,
as
discussed
in
our
previous
review.
G
These
revised
plan
do
include
water
quality
BMPs
and
make
effort
to
provide
on-site
storage
for
the
two
and
a
hundred
year.
Storm
events,
as
required
by
the
city's
post-construction
stormwater,
best
management
practices
manual.
However,
we
have
identified
identified
potential
issues
with
the
placement
and
errors
in
the
sizing
of
the
proposed
BMPs
point
number
one:
the
pre-development
peak
flow
rates
in
the
plans
are
calculated
using
higher
runoff
coefficients
than
allowed
in
the
manual.
This
results
in
an
underestimation
of
the
required
BMP
storage
volumes.
G
Second
bullet
point:
the
post-development
runoff
hydrographs
used
for
MBP
routing
are
incorrect
and
underestimated.
This
results
in
an
underestimation
of
required.
Bmp
storage
volumes.
Third
bullet
outflow,
hydrographs
from
two
BMPs
appear
to
have
abnormal
jumps.
That
could
be
explained
further.
That
should
be
explained
further.
Fourth
bullet
six
of
the
seven
BMPs
are
located
below
the
ten-year
water
surface,
elevation
of
Lake,
Camp,
Eska
and
all
seven
BMPs
are
located
below
the
100-year
water
surface
elevation.
This
could
affect
the
ability
of
each
BMP
to
provide
consistent
protection
of
Lake
campus
cos
water
resources.
G
Also,
the
plans
state
that
all
stormwater,
conveyance
and
treatment
facilities
are
intended
to
be
turned
over
to
the
city.
Upon
acceptance
of
the
final
construction,
undersized
BMPs
may
result
in
more
frequent
overtopping,
potentially
creating
increased
maintenance
issues
and
an
increased
chance
of
BMP
failure.
In
order
to
correct
the
identified
issues,
significant
changes
to
the
design
and
drainage
easements
proposed
in
the
stony
point
third
edition,
2016
preliminary
plans
will
likely
be
required.
Thank
you
for
the
continued.
A
H
A
Leikin
Pesce
watershed
says:
they're
engineering
engineering
firm
looked
at
it
and
they
find
some
potential
discrepancies
in
there
that
may
make
may
bring
to
light
that
it
does
not
so
we're
at.
It
were
to
stand
still
and
I'll
make
one
statement
here:
I
did
check,
I
called
the
city,
the
County
Assessor's,
Office
and
I
said
how
many,
how
many
properties
abut
lakum
Pesce
the
number
755,
not
one
of
them
holds
the
hundred-year
flood
event
and
I
said
well.
A
How
can
we
make
somebody
hold
a
hundred-year
flood
event
when
we
have
755
times,
we've
allowed
Lots
not
to
do
it,
but
the
answer
is
two
wrongs.
Don't
make
a
right?
Well,
we
have.
Is
we
have
a
resource
that
we
try
to
maintain
and
make
better
all
the
time
our
ordinance
says
when
a
develop
like
this
comes
into
town?
They
have
to
be
able
to
to
handle
the
hundred
year
flood
event,
and
so
now
we're
at
a
we're
at
a
standstill
where
we
say
our
engineering
department
has
brought
us
plans
before
us.
A
That
says
it
does
another
engineering
department
says
it
doesn't.
So
what
do
you
do?
You
know
my
first
thought
was
tabled
emotion
and
see
if
we
couldn't
get
the
city,
the
developer,
lakum
Pasco
watershed
to
agree
on
an
arbitrator
and
go
in
and
find
out
what
the
right
answer
is.
I,
don't
think
we
could
get
all
four
of
them
to
agree
on
the
expense
of
it
and
to
whole
scale.
Sale.
I'll,
take
whatever
the
arbitrator
says,
that's
probably
not
the
best
idea
in
the
plan.
Commission.
A
A
We
have
I
think
whatever
we
do.
If
we
pass
it,
we
have
to
make
it
with
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
that
they
take
that
our
engineering
department
takes
a
look
at
what
has
been
given
to
us
today
and
I
know
you
guys
didn't
get
the
information
many
many
weeks
ago,
and
we
didn't
get
the
information
many
week
many
weeks
ago.
We
don't
even
have
it
right
now.
You
know
so
and
I
don't
want
to
discount
what
they've
done.
A
A
Consider
a
take
it
into
consideration
at
this
point,
but
we
do
have
a
stoploss
in
there
that
this
still
goes
before
the
City
Council
on
a
first
and
second
reading,
and
they
you
know
I
think
our
recommendation
has
to
be
to
them
that
what
we
see
before
us
meets
it,
but
there's
some
questions
that
have
come
up
and
they
need
to
be
addressed
before
the
City
Council
law
gives
it
their
grace
either
in
either
direction.
I.
H
H
Amount
of
wetlands
that
you're
able
to
displace
annually
without
going
through
any
permitting
process.
Obviously
this
is
a
highly
sensitive
area
and
I
think
that
the
developer
and
his
engineer
are
attempting
to
satisfy
any
mitigation
requirements.
Despite
the
size
of
the
wetlands
offenders,
they're
disturbing
so
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
really
a
point
of
contention.
Shane.
M
H
At
this
point,
I
was:
we've
relied
on
the
information,
I
was
provided
by
the
engineer
and
his
design
calculations
and
our
staff,
as
with
all
projects,
goes
through
that
information
and
make
sure
that
that
the
math
was
done
correctly
and
the
right
reviews
were
done,
and
my
staff
had
indicated
to
me
that
their
opinion,
that
that
was
all
that
all
the
requirements
were
met
and
so
I
would
need
to
compare
the
two
reviews.
But
you
know
the
engineer
would
have
to
substantiate
or
stand
by
his
calculations
and
LU
of
the
staff
review.
D
A
A
N
Before
you
comment,
Shane
one
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
is
in
the
resolution.
It
does
say
that
the
water
quality
facilities
and
the
water
quantitative
facilities
shall
be
designed
and
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
city's
BMP
manual.
So
if
we
have
two
engineers
that
are
disputing
about
whether
or
not
it
is
in
compliance,
your
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
is
that
it
be
in
compliance.
They
can
go
forward
with
the
project
if
it
is
in
compliance.
N
It's
just
a
matter
of
like
I,
said
the
two
math
wizards
of
these
two
reports,
stating
whether
or
not
it
is
in
compliance
with
the
city,
so
the
plans
would
have
to
be
in
compliance.
The
resolution
says
that
the
plans
would
have
to
be
in
compliance.
You
just
have
two
engineers
that
are
disputing
on
the
numbers,
so
once
it
gets
to
the
city
that
will
be
the
city's
question.
A
A
You
know
until
something
goes
forward
at
the
city
level,
then
they'll
weigh
in
they're
not
going
to
they're
not
going
to
spend
time
looking
at
it
and
given
us
their
impression
until
we've
decided
what
we
want
to
do
so
it's
kind
of
the
chicken
or
the
egg
which
comes
first
I,
think
part
of
it
is.
We
have
to
continue
to
move
the
plans
along,
so
the
other
entities
can
weigh
in
on
their
thoughts
on
these
plans.
It.
G
F
Commission
did
read
what
was
before
it,
but
your
plan
was
not
before
it
in
a
timely
manner.
Well,
wait
a
minute
I'm!
Sorry,
we
have
had
not
had
a
chance.
This
was
a
published
meeting
and
we
were
supposed
to
get
our
documents,
so
we
can
read
them
and
we
are
always
supposed
to
make
decisions
on
the
documents
that
we
have
when
you
bring
something
in
at
the
last
minute.
We
don't
have
a
chance
to
review
that.
So,
if
we're
gonna
make
a
decision,
we
have
to
make
a
decision
on
what
we
have
had
well.
G
L
K
F
A
I
think
we're
I
think
you're
both
right
you're,
both
right
at
the
fact
that
hey
we
get
something
shows
up.
We
have
deadlines
at
the
city,
as
your
documents
have
to
be
to
the
city
if
they
want
to
get
on
our
agenda.
They
come
in
on
this
date,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
moving
parts
in
there
from
the
time
they
come
to
the
city,
our
engineers,
look
at
it
anyone
else
who
wants
to
look
at
it.
A
We
run
out
of
we
run
out
of
time
before
the
4:15
meeting
every
other
Thursday
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
important
that
we
realize
that
what
we
do
is
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council,
there's
still
a
there's,
still
two
other
big
steps
in
the
first
and
second
reading
at
the
City
Council
we're
we're
just
the
catalyst
for
those
meetings
we
look
through
it.
We
look
at
the
information
like
John
said
that
we
have
and
and
make
our
decision
that
the
City
Council
at
that
time
may
be
given
more
info
Meishan
than
what
we.
K
A
And
in
this
case,
I
think
that's
what
they're
gonna
have
and
Shane
just
out
of
curiosity.
How
long
does
it
you
know?
What's
the
process
for
your
your
department
to
stop
what
they're
doing
take
a
look
at
this,
this
new
data
and
give
me
the
timeline
of
the
first
and
second
reading
at
its
earliest?
If
you
put
it
on
the
council's
agenda,.
A
They
could
proceed.
Do
you
have
to
do
you
have
to
put
it
on
the
next
meeting
in
two
weeks
or
can
it
if
you're?
If
your
department
says
it's
going
to
take
us
a
little
bit
longer
to
flush
through
all
of
this,
can
you
wait
a
month
and
put
it
on
put
it
on
at
the
for
in
six
week
or
the
six
and
eight
week?
Is
that
your
prerogative
for
that
I.
H
Would
have
to
ordinance
stuff,
there
is
a
time
period
in
there,
but
primarily
that
time
period
is.
If
we
fail
to
act
on
anything
which
I
guess
I
would
have
to
ask
legal
counsel
of
the
action
taken
by
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
satisfies
that
some
action
has
been
taken
but
say,
for
instance,
we
got
this
plan
and
we
did
get
this
plan
on
March
11th
if
we
waited
and
that
and
didn't
take
any
action
at
all.
N
A
The
question
is:
there's
two
opinions
as
to
whether
or
not
they
apply,
and
how
do
you
settle
that
without
without
long
litigation?
That's
why
my
first,
my
first
concept
was:
can
we
get
all
three
in
the
same
room
with
a
neutral
person
to
decide
to
determine
what's
right
and
what's
wrong,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
different
opinion
as
to
are
we
meeting
it
or
not?
D
My
attorney
John
Wayles
advised
me
not
to
vote
and
City
Attorney
Stanton
advised
me
not
to
vote
so
I've
done
that,
but
I
also
have
a
responsibility
sitting
on
this
board
in
this
committee
to
look
objectively
and
ask
the
right
questions
to
get
the
answer
it
brought
out
if
I,
if
I
can't
do
that,
I
might
as
a
resign
this
board.
That's
why
I'm
speaking
today,
I've
been
pretty
quiet
and
I'm
not
trying
to
influence
any
of
you,
but
as
I
as
I.
D
Look
at
this
whole
emotional
issue
from
the
from
I,
don't
know
how
many
months
yours
it
goes
back,
but
there's
been
four
concerns
that
have
come
before
us:
one's
been
drainage,
one's
been
water
retention,
one's
been
water
quality
and
one's
been
disturbing
wetlands.
Those
are
the
four
issues
that
we've
all
been
concerned
about,
whether
we
want
houses
up
there
or
not
whether
we
want
a
development
or
whether
we'd
rather
see
it
like
Condit
like
to
see
it.
D
You
know
we
all
have
opinions
on
that,
but
we
don't
own
the
land.
So
I've
had
to
digest
all
of
this
and
look
at
those
four
things,
because
those
have
been
the
things
and
all
of
those
four
relate
to
the
adjacent
landowners
which
I
am
one
and
I've
been
concerned
about
how
it
affects
me
and
how
it
affects
like
an
pesco
and
legitimately.
D
Water
retention,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
I
reviewed
the
water
retention
I'm
satisfied
as
an
adjacent
landowner
with
those
two
things:
water,
quality,
I,
don't
know,
I
know,
we've
got
engineers
saying
two
different
things
and
I
think
our
city
attorney
has
has
told
us
and
our
best
practice
manual
is
everything
says
what
it
has
to
meet.
So
if
it's
approved
and
it
does
not
meet
that
it
doesn't
mean
it
if
it
meets
that
it
meets
it.
We
satisfy
that.
D
If
we,
if
it
can
be
satisfied
the
wetlands,
that's
beyond
our
control,
we
don't
make
that
decision.
Dnr
and
game
fish
and
parks
and
those
other
governmental
agencies
determine
that
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
you
know.
We
can't
deal
with
that
up
here.
So
I
think
we
just
have
to
look
at
what
we
can
deal
with
and
let
the
other
agencies
answer
those
other
questions.
I
guess
I.
D
A
D
N
Chairman,
just
excuse
me
procedurally,
yes,
the
Commission,
like
you
said,
has
reviewed
all
of
the
facts.
It's
not
up
to
them
to
second-guess
what
the
city
had
determined
under
their
calculations
that
second-guessing
what
is
basically
an
argument
that
will
be
made
later
before
the
City
Council
and
by
then
they
will
have
reviewed
the
information
but
you're.
My
understanding
is
the
Commission's
job
is
to
basically
ask
to
make
sure
that
they
did
what
they
were
supposed
to
do.
N
The
city
has
come
forward
and
said
this
complies
and,
like
you
said,
everything
has
gone
into
place
and
your
recommendation
does
say
that
it
must
comply
so
once
it
gets
to
the
City
Council.
That
issue
will
probably
be
raised
again,
but
by
then
the
city
will
be
able
to
confirm
what
they
have
told
you
today.
Thank.
K
A
The
items
in
there
that
we
talked
about
before
when
we
had
planet
and
that's
the
road
which
permitting
things
like
that,
the
one
thing
that
I
was
I
wanted
to
make
sure
was
in
there
that
no
permits
will
be
issued
until
the
roads
constructed
through
the
Prairie
Hills
development.
My
fear
was,
is
we've
got
a
small,
20-foot,
gravel
easement,
and
if
too
much
development
starts
up
there,
it's
going
to
turn
into
a
highway
and
damage
someone
else's
property
and
I
didn't
think
that
was
fair.
A
A
Motion
by
mr.
McGuire
I
have
a
second
second
by
mr.
Hanson.
Discussion
on
this
is
the
Commission
act.
This
is
the
preliminary
purlins
preliminary
plan
option,
one
with
the
channel
resolution
201
six
dash,
o
8
myself
I
just
want
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
we've
asked
the
developer
to
do
and
he's
from
our
staff
standpoint
he's
satisfied
everything
that
we've
asked
him
to
do
to
this
point.
There's
a
few
other
things,
including
quite
competitive,
watersheds
engineering
study
that
I
think
will
still
come
into
play
before
the
council.
F
E
A
E
A
A
L
I
got
a
question
with
with
the
bill
that
and
stuff
out
there,
it's
going
to
happen
and
I'm
new
I'm
a
newer
person
on
this
board
too.
But
what's
the
you
know
so
you
got
you
know
you
got
rubbage
out
there
and
you
know
stuff
laying
around.
What's
what's
the
protocol,
so
the
neighbors
aren't
looking
at
things
laying
around
out
there
and
they
I'm
not
saying
the
same
thing.
You
know
we
the
same
thing
laying
there
I'd.
A
A
That's
part
of
this
project
where
you
look
and
go
it's
just
it's
in
a
perpetual
state
of
destruction
and
if
we
can
just
get
it
moving
forward
and
get
some
grass
and
some
trees
and
I.
The
answer
for
you
is:
how
do
you
keep
things
from
blowing
around
there's
ordinances
in
place
in
regard
to
littering
things
like
that,
and
it
has
to
be
done
by
a
complaint.
D
As
a
contractor,
it's
my
responsibility
to
keep
my
job
site
clean
and,
if
there's
garbage
and
refuse
it
blows
on
the
neighbors,
it's
my
responsibility
to
get
it
picked
up
as
a
developer.
It's
their
responsibility
and
was
my
responsibility
too,
and
that
roads
going
in
and
various
people
are
contractors
are
working
and
various
things
laid
around
as
the
developer.
It's
my
responsibility
to
keep
it
clean.
Now.
The
subcontractor
working
underneath
me
might
be
a
little
sloppy
and
leave
things
laying
around
either
I
have
as
a
developer.
D
L
D
B
A
The
hard
part
when
we
see
these
plans,
especially
up
at
the
northeast
part
of
town,
you
see
these
beautiful
plans
and
that's
when
they're
finished,
but
it
could
be
five
six
years
before
they're
finished
in
the
meantime,
you're
right
water
runs
the
wrong
way.
Forty
mile
an
hour
wind
blows,
and
they
were
in
the
middle
of
shingle
in
the
place
and
that
that's
the
hard
part
where
everybody
has
to
try
to
get
along,
but
it
it's
why
we
like
to
move
things
along,
get
them
done.
D
And
I
was
a
developer
if
you've
got
the
first
second
third
house.
If
those
go
in
and
those
are
a
mess
and
you've
got
stuff
all
over
and
you've
got
trees
laying
down
you
name
it
around.
There
you're
not
gonna,
want
that
or
you're,
not
gonna
sell
Lots.
Nobody
wants
to
move
into
a
neighborhood
that
looks
like
that
and
live
like
that
for
five
or
ten
years.
So
you
know
after
your
diligence
and
keep
it
clean.
H
Because
the
point
on
14
has
been
brought
forward
and
I
I
just
want
to
iterate
that
we
want
good-faith
effort
in
the
agreement
with
the
channel
with
Hidden
Valley.
It's
not
staffs
intention
to
hamstring
this
process
by
demanding
that
that
agreement
be
made
because
then
it
gives
somebody
complete
control
over
this
project
from
a
different
angle
and
I.
Just
want
that
to
be
clear
that
we
want
a
good-faith
effort
is
the
reason
that
bullet
point
is
in
there
and
it's
not
I
mean
to
make
it
a
written
law.
H
I,
don't
know
how
you
could
force
somebody
that
to
go
to
a
negotiating
table
and
have
an
unwilling
negotiator
sitting
across
from
them
like
that.
What's
not
our
intent
with
that!
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
developer
understands
how
he's
impacting
his
neighbors
and
making
it
at
least
a
very
good
faith
effort
to
negotiate
that
I.
It's
not
my
intention
to
put
handcuffs
on
that.
L
A
M
With
that
in
mind,
as
long
as
this
project
is
taken
and
drawn
out,
what
is
the
downside
of
allowing
the
city's
engineer
to
to
do
due
diligence
and
study
the
opposing
engineers
findings
and
then
come
back
the
next
Planning
Commission
with
a
strong
conviction?
Yes,
we've
looked
at
the
other
opposing
viewpoint
and
we
feel
you.
A
F
F
M
J
F
F
A
C
That
they're,
just
a
couple
of
things
that
if
you
approve
this
that
go
to
the
City
Council
that
I'm
concerned
about
number
one,
the
wetlands,
that
thing
has
not
been
that
nobody
has
really
said
that
that
isn't
going
to
or
at
least
I
haven't
heard
people
say
that
isn't
going
to
disrupt
the
fishery.
You
know,
and
so,
if
you
move
that
forward,
you're
saying
well,
that's
taken
care
of,
maybe
or
and
now
we're
talking
about
this
other
issue
and
and
they're.
C
The
people
from
the
lake
are
saying
that
that's
not
accurate
and
I
mean
it's
not
a
reflection
on
Shane
I.
Don't
think
I
think
it's
just
a
reflection,
there's
more
information
and
when
you
ask
them
now,
you
can
send
it
to
the
City
Council.
But
we
know
what
we
have
to
face
and
that's
the
same
conversation
that
you're
saying
here
and
I've
been
on
that
side.
A
H
Chairman
just
for
clarification
again,
item
number
six
on
the
resolution.
You're
considering
does
address
the
wetland
and
it
does
spell
out
that
the
wetland
mitigation
plan,
identifying
the
amount
and
location
of
what
lands
shall
be
that
shall
be
created,
is
one
of
their
requirements.
So
if
there
is
to
be
wetlands
disturbed,
there
is
a
path
that
they
need
to
clarify
their
mitigation
plan.
So.
A
N
Not
to
muddy
the
waters,
but
if
has
Shane
said
he
did
not
want
a
hamstring,
the
Stoney
Point
and
the
Hidden
Valley
on
an
agreement.
I
would
suggest
changing
that.
Just
a
little
caveat
on
that
section
that
Stoney
Point,
reasonably
or
in
good
faith,
participate
in
coming
to
an
agreement
with
Hidden
Valley,
because
right
now
it
does
use
the
will
or
shell.
A
K
A
A
H
H
M
F
A
With
the
Planning
Commission,
we
have
a
seven
member
panel
that
requires
a
simple
majority
of
four
votes
to
pass
them.
Their
resolution
passes
next
next
item
to
be
voted
on
and
I
may
ask
for
a
little
more
information.
Shane
on
this.
This
is
resolution
two
one.
Oh
six,
oh
nine
is
the
preliminary
plan
without
the
Channel.
A
J
A
I
see
where
you
I
I,
think
I'd
like
to
it
seems
unconventional
to
vote
on
it,
but
because
we
did
have
a
split
vote
on
the
first
part
of
it,
and
the
council
needs
to
know
what
that
vote
was
when
it
goes
to
him
that
it
wasn't
a
unanimous
vote
from
the
plan.
Commission
I
think
I
would
like
to
vote
on
this
resolution,
so
they
would
at
least
have
an
idea
where
our
thought
process
was
was.
K
A
E
A
Was
my
thought
when
I
first
saw
it
I
thought
you
know
it's
still
a
nice
development
potentially
with
or
without
a
channel,
I
think
from
a
developer
standpoint.
He
needs
to
know
where
our
issues
were.
You
know,
I
mean
there's
a
plight
like
this
is
big
I
mean
a
development
is
big.
There's
a
lot
of
things.
We've
gone
through.
There
just
happens
to
be
a
couple
things
that
that
we
didn't
agree
on
so
I
think
we
do
vote.
H
A
And
I
looked
at
in
thought.
Well,
if
it's
without
a
channel,
you
assume
the
water
would
still
be
held
in
the
general
areas,
and
that
would
be
the
assumption.
We
would
make
that
if,
if
we
approve
it,
not
requiring
it
to
come
back
before
us
as
long
as
the
the
adjustments
to
the
grading
are,
are
considered
minimal
and
considered.
But
we
would
look
at
almost
usual
and
customary
as
to
where
you
would
you
would
see.
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
make
them
have.
K
A
F
What
we
thought
like
to
make
a
motion.
F
A
A
A
H
A
Anything
else
I
need
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve.
Oh
one,
six
one.
Oh
the
plot
is
telling
point
third
edition
Walsh
my
mr.
stone
Berger
second
by
mr.
Dahle.
Any
other
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
3e.
Is
the
resolution
201
6-1
1,
the
platter,
Prairie
Hills
development
third
edition
I.
Believe
that's
where
the
road
moves
down
to
the
south.
A
J
A
Ask
for
a
motion
in
a
second
Washington
by
mr.
stone
burger
he's
been
busy.
He
moved
your
lips.
He
got
you
money
second
by
mr.
McGuire
honey
discussion.
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
in
the
old
business,
shame
new
business
executive
session,
a
crest.
A
motion
to
adjourn
motion
by
mr.
Stein
second
by
mr.
McGuire,
home
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries.