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A
C
B
Budget
I,
think
long
term
and
serve
our
long
term
plan
is
to
potentially
build
a
new
facility
for
the
city.
Yes,
certainly
not
carved
in
stone
at
this
point,
but
we
we
went
down
and
I
thought
I'd
just
give
a
little
brief
presentation
and
and
Brenda
if
you
wanna,
if
you
feel
like
coming
up
to
the
mic,
you
certainly
can,
if
you
want
to
Len,
if
you
want
to
chime
in
at
any
point
and
also
Vince
Vince,
you've
got
some
experience
with
this
facility
and
some
of
these
issues
down
in
Brookings.
B
So
anybody
that
has
anything
that
they'd
like
to
add
to
this
I
would
welcome
that
so
I
thought
I'd
just
kind
of
show
it.
These
are
high-end
photographs,
as
you
can
tell
this,
is
it
with
19
1989
flip-phone
I'm
kidding
about
that?
It's
a
91
anyway
this.
But
this
is
just
one
view
and
I
actually
took
this
this
weekend,
because
I
never
really
got
a
picture
and
the
Sun
was
back
anyway.
B
So
that's
gives
you
kind
of
an
idea
of
what
the
facility
looks
like
this
is
the
parking
lot
side
of
that
facility
and
what
I
thought
I'd
do
is
kind
of
talk
about
some
of
the
features
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
learned
in
our
in
our
tour.
We
had
a
guided
tour
down
there
in
Brookings
and
it
was
very
enlightening.
It
was
for
all
of
us,
I
think
but
beautiful
facility,
and
they
really
really
do
enjoy
working
out
of
this
facility.
It's
it's
a
three-story
building,
it's
about
76,000
square
feet.
B
B
Just
kind
of
shows
the
lobby
area
and
it's
one
thing:
I
noticed
down
there
there's
a
lot.
It
almost
seems
like
a
lot
of
wasted
space
in
the
hallways,
but
they're
big
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
hallway
space
in
this
facility,
but
up
front
they've
got
some
really.
Nice
displays
with
some
county
and
city
memorabilia,
some
historical
things,
this
kind
of
shows
the
stairwell.
It's
really
really
a
pretty
facility
inside
and
according
to
them,
it's
very
functional.
B
This
kind
of
just
shows
up
in
the
in
the
next
level
and
there's
Brenda
and
Mike
and
Glenn.
You
can
see
yeah
Glenn
got
in
I,
couldn't
believe
it
yeah
anyway.
This
is
a
this
just
kind
of
shows
the
second
floor
and
the
way
they
kind
of
work.
This.
My
understanding
is
that
the
county
saw
it
on
one
side
of
the
building
and
then
the
city's
on
the
other.
My
right
did
I.
Do
that
say
that
right
and
anyway,
so
the
nice
thing
is
they
they've
really
built
this
to
accommodate
growth
in
the
future.
B
It
looks
like,
and
it
works
out
very
well
for
the
county
and
the
city
offices
this
just
this
is
just
a
photograph
of
the
council
chambers.
Then
you
can
see
you
know
where
the
city
attorney
in
and
the
finance
officer,
all
those
folks
sit
on
the
right
and
the
council's
up
on
the
Left
they've
got
a
lot
of
video
throughout
this
whole
facility.
One
thing
I
thought
was
kind
of
neat:
was
they
got
a
like
a
kiosk
video
and
in
the
front,
shows
all
the
stuff
going
on.
B
It
shows
the
all
the
meetings
that
are
coming
up.
It's
got
agendas
and
there's
even
one
that
faces
out
the
window.
So
if
you
approach
the
building,
you
can
see
on
the
on
a
video
screen.
What's
going
on
with
the
City
Council
agenda
or
whatever
it
is
they're
doing,
but
the
Chamber's
really
really
nice
very
well
lit
lots
of
room
and
they
also
had
a
overflow
area
outside
of
this
room.
They
had
a
big-screen
television
so
that
people
could
sit
outside
if
they
were
full
and
still
see
what's
going
on
in
the
council.
B
But
this
is
just
another
view.
That's
of
the
back
parking
of
coffee
bar
and
stuff
in
there
and
no
no
alcohol.
We
were
kind
of
sad
to
see
that,
but
just
kidding-
and
this
shows
the
front
where
the
council
people
sit,
the
commissioners
and
the
council.
People
and
they've
got
a
really
really
nice
set
up
for
video
and
for
the
computer
systems.
Again
all
the
screens
built-in-
and
you
can
see
here
this-
some
of
the
lighting
that
they've
put
in
to
to
allow
the
video
and
so
forth,
really
good
audio
system.
B
There
shows
the
elevators
and
on
each
floor,
they've
got
video
screens,
it
shows
I
mean
anywhere,
you
go,
you
can
see
what's
going
on
in
the
ability
and
scheduling
and
that's
the
state's
attorney's
office,
just
kind
of
show
you
what
sort
of
what
some
of
the
offices
look
like
and
just
a
cafeteria
that
they
can
use
for
throughout
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
those
recliners
in
our
do
we
you
need,
you
guys
need
to
get
some,
maybe
gets
recliners
yeah.
We
should
get
a
table
but
anyway,
so
it's
really.
B
The
the
whole
place
is
laid
out.
I
thought
very,
very
very
nicely,
but
just
some
of
the
areas
that
we
identified,
that
they
can
they
sort
of
share
resources
and
obviously
the
utilities
part
they
would
share
and
the
way
that
the
the
county
and
the
city
pay
for
these
services
is
by
square
footage,
and
so
the
county
pays
a
certain
amount
and
it's
actually
a
little
bit
more
than
in
the
city,
because
they
use
a
little
more
of
the
space
in
the
facility
but
shared
areas.
Obviously,
the
commissioners
use
the
same.
B
They've
used
the
same
room
as
the
city
council
would
they
can
use
the
same
meeting
rooms
and
cafeteria
the
phones
security
systems?
They
can
use
all
the
same
stuff.
The
phone
I
know
is
a
a
little
bit
different
numbers
set
up.
I
guess
if
you
wanted
to
contact
somebody
in
the
county
versus
versus
the
city,
but
you've
also
got
maintenance
cleaning
that
they
can
share.
The
parking
lot
would
be
a
shared
part
of
the
facility
elevators
and
in
the
common
areas,
reception,
bathrooms,
hallways
stairways,
that
kind
of
stuff.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
they
can
share
that
you
wouldn't
have
to
build
two
of
if
you
have
two
facilities,
it's
sort
of
one-stop
shopping
in
this
place.
Everything
is
under
one
roof.
If
you
get
confused,
you
go
to
the
wrong
building.
In
our
case,
if
somebody
finds
out,
they
need
a
building
permit
for
for
the
they
think
it's
for
the
city
and
they
find
out
now
you're
in
the
county.
Then
they
gotta
go
somewhere
else,
I
mean
there's
other
things
and
Vince.
You
might
have
some
other
examples
of
that
too.
That's.
C
C
In
addition,
when
I
would,
in
the
rebuild
of
the
courthouse
part,
I
used,
the
council
chambers
I
used
that
meeting
room
and
I
used
the
executive
session
room
all
to
hold
hearings
in
so
those
kinds
of
spaces
have
utility
beyond
just
the
meetings,
not
suggesting
commissioners
gable
or
Hammond,
that
they
become
your
courtroom.
But
it
just
illustrates
the
utility
that
you
can
have
thanks.
B
D
Was
just
curious
when
we
were
talking
about
the
taxpayer
conveniences
and
then
back
up
to
the
shared
efficiencies
did,
were
they
able
to
share
with
you
any
numbers
or
any
s2,
it's
as
to
what
kind
of
money
they're
saving
I
know.
This
is
only
a
five
year
old
facility,
but
do
they
have
an
idea
from
you?
No
utilities
alone?
Do
they
have
any
idea
of
what
they're
saving
was
anybody
there
to
help
you
with
that.
B
B
And
just
some
of
the
other
things
conveniences
features
that
I
thought
I'd
point
out
were
the
they
had
really
did
have
a
state-of-the-art
video.
There,
security
systems
were
really
modern
in
the
whole
facility,
I
mean
they're.
The
council
chambers
I
think
it's
there,
there's
armor
I.
Think
in
the
front
you
know
like
we
would
have
up
in
here.
They've
got
an
egress
system
where
you
can
get
out
of
there.
If
you
have
to,
they
have
safe
areas,
they
have
areas
that
they
can
lock
down,
if
necessary
throughout
the
facility
that
you
can
go
to
so.
B
B
That's
just
like
I
say
it
was
a
short
presentation.
We
spent
maybe
a
couple
hours
down
there.
I
would
guess
somewhere
in
there,
and
you
know
it's
a
good
first
start
for
us,
and
if
this
is
something
that
we
feel
that
we
want
to
pursue,
then
I
think
we
need
to
put
another
group
together,
perhaps
and
get
a
little
more
in
depth
in
what
look
at
what
direction
we
want
to
go,
but
it
certainly,
it
seems
to
make
sense
to
me
that
this
is
a
direction
that
we
pursue.
Moving
forward.
F
E
B
B
B
E
B
I
got
a
belief:
it's
got
to
help
with
relation
the
relationship
between
County
and
the
city
working
together,
like
that,
I
would
think
that
would
be
beneficial,
but
any
other
questions
and
I
again
I
want
to
apologize
to
you
folks
for
coming
last
time
when
I
wasn't
able
to
do
this.
So,
but
thanks
for
showing
up
thanks
for
coming
tonight,
I
appreciate
it
Brendan.
G
You
know
the
number
one
thing
like
you
say
is
efficiency,
both
in
terms
of
costs
and
operations,
operations
for
the
staff
operations
or
convenience
for
the
public
and
I.
Think
a
couple
of
things
just
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
go
forward
in
this
in
this
discussion
with
a
City
County
discussion
about
this
one
thing
is
we
got
to
keep
in
mind
that
each
city
and
county
is
unique.
G
We
plan
to
make
use
of
what
the
the
courthouse
for
that
additional
courtroom
that
we
need
for
a
new
court
space
and
then,
as
well
as
as
keeping
the
major
county
offices
in
in
the
courthouse,
so
the
register
deeds,
treasurer
auditor
and
the
director
of
equalization
or
the
assessor.
A
few
of
the
a
few
of
the
offices.
We
do
have
to
find
other
space
around
town
to
move
out
of
the
courthouse,
because
we
don't
have
the
old
remodeled
Jail
to
use
as
office
space,
but
so
where,
where
it
makes
sense
to
use
existing
facilities.
G
G
This
got
our
attention
a
while
ago,
when
we,
when
we
started
having
issues
with
our
our
jail
and
our
court
facilities
is
just
how
is
this
working
for
Brooking,
City
and
and
Brookings
County,
and
it
seemed
to
me
one
of
the
key
things
was
having
a
good
agreement
in
place
on
the
use
of
that
facility
on
just
kind
of
a
standard
operating
procedure
about
who
takes
care
of
what
and
I
think
that's
something.
We
always
need
to
keep
in
mind
and
take
the
time
to
go
through
if
this
ever
comes
to
fruition.
G
Take
the
time
to
go
through
having
a
good
MoU
or
at
lease
or
whatever.
The
document
is,
and
by
the
way,
with
the.
As
most
you
know,
the
the
City,
Park
and
Rec
is
working
with
the
county
on
a
couple
of
the
housing,
a
couple
of
the
smaller
County
offices
that
need
to
move
out
of
the
courthouse
with
those
former
Park
and
Rec
offices
in
the
front
of
the
auditorium.
So
that
could
be
kind
of
a
good
test
case.
I.
G
Think
with
that
lease
and
making
sure
we
have
good
agreements
in
place
and
focus
on
the
details-
and
the
last
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
is
that
we
need
to
kind
of
listen
to
each
other's
conversations.
So,
as
we
talk
about
our
justice
facilities,
we
probably
need
to
pay
more
attention
to
make
sure
making
sure
that
that
you
guys.
G
Having
say
an
advisory
committee
meeting
or
something
like
that
and
as
if
we
form
another
committee
and
maybe
maybe
it's
more
appropriate
to
have
just
a
city
building
committee
and
then
maybe
one
of
us
could
be
a
liaison
that
just
gets
to
listen
in
and
make
and
comment
from
time
to
time.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
the
dialogue
that
going
that
Bruce
is
started.
I.
H
B
G
Just
one
more
quick
comment
on
that
last
thing:
about
dialogue:
one
thing:
we've
we've
tossed
around
or
discussed
a
little
bit
on
the
county
side
is
with
our
justice.
Advisory
committee
is
inviting
a
city
liaison
so
one
of
one
of
you
to
come
and
sit
in
on
those
meetings.
They're
pretty
exciting.
You
know
they
can
go
for
three
hours,
and
so
you
might
you
might
enjoy
that.
But
anyway,
just
maybe
be
a
starting
point
and
that's
kind
of
a.
As
you
know,
that's
a
big
deal
for
the
county.
That's
a
that's!
G
A
I
I
I
Dry
after
this
yep
engineer
pretty
dry,
so
we
inspected
five
years:
five
bridges
this
in
2017
in
2015.
When
I
did
your
inspection,
there
was
actually
six,
so
you
have
gifted
one
of
them
with
glacial
lakes,
energy
and
Hesco,
which
was
a
really
good
one
to
gift,
because
it
was
not
in
very
good
condition.
So
in
your
numbers,
all
increased
significantly
for
the
better
when
we
tracks
efficiency
ratings.
I
It's
a
new
buzzword,
because
about
four
years
ago,
as
a
bridge
inspector
wood,
we
all
knew
that
our
bridges
weren't
in
great
condition,
but
somebody
had
to
say
it
in
Washington
and
then
it
created
a
lot
of
stir
and
you
hear
sufficiency,
writing
a
lot.
So
when
I
go
out
and
I
inspect
all
your
bridges,
I
input
it
encode
it
into
a
bridge
management
system.
I
I
I
We
are
currently
working
on
the
hydraulics
to
decide
the
type
size
and
length
that
the
replacement
structure
will
be
and
have
surveyed
the
entire
area.
Your
sufficiency
rating
on
this
actually
did
decrease
from
two
years
ago,
and
it
is
now
at
35
point
six,
so
you're
you're
seeing
that
degradation,
and
it
is
what
you
would
expect
for
an
older
bridge.
I
Some
of
you
have
already
seen
these
photos
from
two
years
ago,
but
we'll
go
through
it.
You
have
an
asphalt
overlay
over
your
bridge,
deck
which
isn't
a
terrible
thing,
except
where
you
can't
see
what's
happening
to
the
actual
concrete
and
the
bridge
deck.
It
is
a
lot
of
pitting
and
a
lot
of
breakups
and
the
asphalt
which
traps
water
and
the
cracking
throughout
the
deck
leaves
these
stalactites
on
the
deck
itself.
I
I
Some
areas
of
the
bend
cap
and
that
top
left
you'll
see
a
crack
with
exposed
rebar.
It
doesn't
look
like
much
compared
to
the
other
photo,
but
that's
actually
much
worse
for
your
load
carrying
capacity
and
on
top
of
it,
your
columns
have.
You
have
exposed
rebar
on
all
four
sides,
which
is
severely
hindering
what
that
bridge
can
carry.
I
So
basically,
we
are
recommending
that
it's
posted
at
16
tons
for
a
single
unit
and
28
tons.
The
weight
limit
sign
is
right
here
that
it's
currently
posted
at
the
state
of
South
Dakota
has
changed
the
way
that
they
post
for
load
restrictions,
single
unit
and
combinations,
is
what
they
like
to
use
now.
Combinations
basically
means
that
there's
there's
another
like
pup
trailer
or
it's
not
one
contained
unit,
and
that
was
from
the
advent
of
special
hauling
vehicles,
which
federal
highway
makes
us
check
for
now.
I
16
tons
is
pretty
significant
for
a
single
axle,
the
reason
when
I
say
special
hauling
vehicles.
Those
are
like
you're
super
hoppers
that
became
really
popular
with
ethanol
and
when
we're
hauling
all
these
grains,
you
got
you
got
a
truck
and
we're
jam
packing
as
much
axles
in
there
as
possible.
So
you
see
16
ton
more
often
than
you
would
think
on.
A
city
system
used
to
see
it
much
more
significantly
because
it
even
comes
down
to
your
dump.
Trucks.
I
We
had
talked
about
this
two
years
ago,
but
I'll
bring
it
up.
Another
huge
concern
with
this
structure
is
the
fact
that
there
is
a
high
pressure
gas
main
that
is
mounted
to
the
railing
as
it
stands,
with
the
deteriorated
condition
of
the
bridge.
When
a
semi
does
go
over
the
bridge,
it
vibrates
it's
supposed
to
bridges
move,
but
when
it's
in
deteriorated
condition
it
vibrates
more
than
you
would
want.
So
basically,
you
have
this
bridge,
that's
going
up
and
down,
and
the
utility
for
all
intensive
purposes
is
staying
exactly
there.
I
I
So
this
would
be
box
culvert,
that's
located
on
North
Lake
Drive.
It
is
in
fair
condition.
I
was
built
in
1931
and
it
has
a
lot
of
general
deterioration
and
concrete
degradation.
It's
typical
for
for
a
box.
Culvert
I'll
show
you
this
next
picture
and
you're
going
to
get
concerned,
because
when
you
compare
it
to
the
third
Avenue
bridge
and
we
saw
those
two
leg
heights,
you
know
that
was
disconcerting.
I
Well,
here,
there's
still
act,
I'ts
and
large
balls,
but
the
nature
of
this
type
of
structure
is
it's
highly
redundant,
so
it
doesn't
affect
the
load
carrying
capacity
as
much,
whereas
third
Avenue
you
have
the
stalagtites
and
then
the
bent
caps
and
then
it's
all
being
supported
by
three
columns
on
one
of
the
columns.
That's
mostly
deteriorated,
where
you
have
series
of
rebar
cages
and
series
of
concrete
that
doesn't
say
it
says
it's
in
fantastic
shape.
It's
got
a
sufficiency
rating
of
62.5
and
should
be
you
know
on
your
radar
for
eventual
replacement.
E
I
You
know
these
are
the
original
drainage
structures
that
are
still
intact
and
no
degradation
around
them
generally.
Any
source
of
water
is
a
huge
source
of
degradation
and
deterioration
and
we're
not
seeing
that
Oh,
probably
not
going
to
talk
about
the
drain.
Holes
cuz,
you're,
not
Don,
might
be
excited
and
Sarah,
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
would
be
too
excited
about
it
very
much.
Okay,
you
know
there
are
some
facade
issues
and
some
cracking
that's
happening
near
the
wing
walls.
These
are
not
highly
structural
elements
and
the
nature
of
an
arch
is.
I
This
is
about
the
only
maintenance
item
because
you
guys
have
been
pretty
forward-thinking
on
your
maintenance.
Is
there
is
a
lot
of
erosion,
that's
happening
at
the
sidewalk
entrances
I'm.
Both
sided
with
the
bridge
already
talked
with
Shane
about
installing
a
fence
to
stop
pedestrians
from
just
being
able
to
fall
off
for
the
most
part
and
that
one
right
there
is
up
to
a
three
foot
drop.
So
it's
a
safety
concern.
I
I
I
This
was
installed
in
2010
and
has
a
sufficiency
writing
of
92.7.
Basically,
the
the
majority
of
the
issues
came
from
the
girders
that
were
delivered
to
this
I
had
access,
Camp,
camber,
so
to
fix
the
the
camber.
There
was
a
lot
of
deck
riding
that
happened
to
the
bridge,
which
you
can
see,
and
this
deterioration
to
try
to
improve
the
right
across
the
bridge.
It
still
does
a
little
bit
of
this,
but
we're
hoping
that
by
installing
the
epoxy
duct
seal,
at
least
we'll
preserve
the
length
of
the
deck
component
itself.
I
F
F
I
L
L
L
L
The
action
that
was
taken
in
1980
was
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
and
the
City
Council
approved
that
no
direct
access
to
North,
Lake
Drive
by
any
of
the
Lots
in
blocks,
one
through
five,
shall
be
granted.
Access
shall
be
only
by
the
designated
streets
on
said
plat.
So
pheasant
lane
starts
up
here,
30
six,
there's
that
38
dev,
no
I
can't
read
that,
but
it
extends
all
the
way
down
over
here
to
440
ninth
Avenue.
L
L
So
there
are
several
access
all
the
right-of-way
has
been
provided,
but
no
improvements
done.
So
the
quandary
that
we're
in
is,
how
do
we
allow
somebody
to
have
a
villain
from
that
with
unimproved
roads
and
Padma?
Hold
has
been
reaching
out
through
our
department
to
seek
answers
and
we've
been
struggling
to
provide
those
answers
because
of
our
requirements.
L
5.0
302
is
one
that
we
kind
of
reference
free,
barely
frequently
in
the
community.
It
states
that
curb
and
gutter
is
required
in
order
to
get
a
building
permit
and
obviously
with
no
improvements.
There
are
no.
There
is
no
improvement
gutter
here
and
there
is
a
process
for
the
engineering
department
to
be
able
to
waive
that.
But
waiving
that
in
this
particular
case
I
mean
because
there's
no
travel
to
improve
improvements
of
any
time
for
accesses
makes
that
very
difficult
to
address.
L
There
is
another
ordinance
that
we
have
24:05
o3,
which
talks
about
land
suitability
and
the
plan.
Commission
can
actually
deny
plots
and
certain
things
relative,
based
on
that
of
quote
passage
out
of
that
the
plank
Commission
may
refuse
to
approve
what
it
considers
scattered
or
premature
subdivision
of
land
by
reason
of
lack
of
adequate
water
supply,
sewage
treatment,
schools,
proper
drainage,
good
roads
or
other
public
services,
which
would
necessitate
an
excessive
expenditure
of
public
funds
for
the
supply
of
such
services
and
that's
kind
of
exactly
where
we
are
right.
Now.
L
J
L
Can't
speak
to
that
I
I,
don't
have
the
knowledge
or
the
background
on
that.
I
can
just
say
that
some
appear.
When
we
look
at
the
history
of
the
aerial
photos.
Some
changes
were
evident.
That's,
like
our
photos,
go
back
to
2000,
so
there's
been
some
activity
since
the
early
eighties
out
there,
but
I
can't
pinpoint
how
or
why
they
they
got
done
so
I.
A
Can
give
a
little
bit
of
history?
I've
worked
on
this
numerous
times
throughout
my
term,
working
for
the
engineering
department
and
there
there
are
a
couple
of
houses
that
have
access
via
one
of
those
feeder
roads
and
the
road
wasn't
built
per
standard
with
curb
and
gutter
and
asphalt.
But
it's
a
gravel
road,
so
they
get
their
access
off
of
that
gravel
road
and
then
on
to
North,
Lake
Drive.
So
for
the
living
quarters
that
are
out
there,
they
do
follow
that
no
access,
except
via
those
particular
roads,.
L
L
A
A
Probably
board
under
and
the
that
is
an
issue
here:
the
there
is
a
limit
to
the
number
of
houses
that
can
be
served
in
this
area
by
municipal
utilities
and
there
there
might
come
a
point
where
municipal
utilities
would
say:
no
we've
we've
got
we're
any
more
houses.
We
need
to
build
a
water
tower
and
that's
been
stated
in
our
comp
plan
for
years
that
what
these
are
existing
planted
Lots,
and
so
they
have
some
rights
that
go
along
with
them.
A
A
Mary
was
on
the
fence
and
she
ultimately
decided
she
was
not
interested.
So
there
was
nowhere
near
half
that
were
interested,
and
so
we
didn't
take
that
through
the
assessment
project
at
that
time.
But
you
you
could
see
certain
pockets
would
be
easier
to
develop
with
a
stem
Road
off
of
North,
Lake
Drive
and
then
reaching
back
behind
the
Lots
to
serve
some
of
the
Lots,
and
there
are
going
to
be
some
areas.
I'm
sure
Shane
was
going
to
talk
about
this.
A
Some
areas
would
be
either
easier
than
others
to
develop,
or
we
could
just
do
an
assessment
project
on
the
entire
subdivision.
Bring
the
whole
thing
up
to
some
standard
right
now
we
don't
have
a
standard
for
roads.
We
used
to
have
a
standard
for
roads
for
decades,
that
was
the
minimum
standard.
Road
had
curb,
and
gutter
and
38
feet
of
asphalt
and
underground
storm
sewer.
Most
of
the
lake
does
not
have
that
because
it
was
built
out
before
it
was
in
the
city
limits
we
annexed
in
county
roads.
A
Basically,
so
I
mean
that's
something
that
you
could
consider
as
council
is
an
alternate
minimum
standard
Road
for
a
situation
like
this
one
size
doesn't
necessarily
fit
all
most
of
the
lake
has
maybe
20
feet
of
asphalt
or
22
feet
of
asphalt,
surface
and
no
curb
and
gutter,
and
no
storm,
sewer
or
ditches,
and
that
the
water
just
has
to
make
its
way
to
the
lake.
In
this
situation
it
doesn't
all
drain
down
toward
the
bowl.
A
We've
never
done
to
my
knowledge
is:
do
gravel
roads
in
a
new
development.
Well,
this
one's
really
not
new.
We
at
the
time
this
was
plaited.
We
did
have
the
requirement
for
roads
and
assurances
for
the
infrastructure,
but
for
whatever
reason
it
just
never
happened.
We
don't
have
any
assurance.
The
Lots
have
been
sold
off
to
many
different
people.
So
now
it's
a
big
effort
for
any
one
individual
to
make
a
road
and
who's
going
to
do
that
stem
part
of
it
which
serves
everybody.
A
Now
should
the
first
guy
that
builds
a
house
out
there
or
a
building
be
shouldered
with
that,
or
should
that
be
kospi
spread
amongst
all
of
the
lots,
and
so
those
are
big
questions
that
the
staff
spend
struggling
with.
In
my
opinion,
the
you
get
economy
of
scale
by
having
a
larger
project,
so
a
larger
project
would
cost
less
per
lot
to
build,
and
if
we
could
get
some
sort
of
consensus
amongst
the
property
owners
in
doing
an
assessment
project,
then
I
think
we
should
assist
them
in
that
regard.
A
L
After
that
change,
so
it
was
an
excellent
put
or
input
there.
Can
you
go
back
to
the
other,
drawing
and
quickly
I
want
to
illustrate
something
that
will
kind
of
use
the
GS
more
thoroughly
on
the
drawing
that
you
see,
everything
that
is
highlighted
in
magenta
is
now
owned
by
someone
else
other
than
the
married,
yet
part
property.
L
However,
I
our
conversation
went
very
well
and
he's
saying
that
people
are
out
there
kind
of
haphazardly,
using
the
roadway
to
access
things
and
probably
driving
on
some
of
his
land
and
other
people's
land
and
and
and
as
you
can
see,
I
mean
you
look
right
here.
There's
a
camper!
That's
parked
right
in
the
dead
center
of
the
right
away.
There's
oops
oops
I
switch
switch
back
to
GES,
please,
okay,
so
I
switched
drawings
apologize.
L
But
well
that
said,
I
guess
the
the
question
is:
are
we
going
to
go
to
our
standards
where
we
have
a
granular
base,
an
asphalt
or
concrete
pavement
turbo
gutter
sidewalks,
along
with
the
curb
and
gutter,
then
becomes
drainage,
concerns,
storm
sewer,
and/or,
ditches
detention
ponds
all
of
those
things.
So
what
what
I
would
really
like
to
be
able
to
do
is
get
some
feedback
from
the
council
and
ultimately
the
Planning
Commission.
L
We've
talked
extensible
that
the
Planning
Commission
about
this,
so
one
thought
was
from
the
Planning
Commission,
as
maybe
we
rezone
that
entire
all
those
Lots
as
our
G,
so
that
we
no
one
can
control
the
density
of
residential
living
there.
Although
the
our
G
district
now
allows
sewer
and
water
connections
no
no
living
quarters,
but
so
that's
that's
a
an
arduous
thing,
and
what
I
would
caution
us
is
that
if
we
select
something
less
than
everything
that
we
do
it
in
such
a
way
that
it's
not
going
to
be
super
expensive.
L
Segments
as
the
mayor
had
spoken,
there's
as
an
example
right
in
the
area
that
mr.
mill
hold
is
most
concerned
with.
There
isn't
a
roadway
access
here,
one
here
and
one
here.
They
could
petition
and
just
do
a
little
loop
as
a
subset.
Instead
of
do
the
whole
thing
you
know,
or
we
could
come
in
here
and
down
and
back
out
in
little
subsets,
we
don't
have
to
do
the
whole
thing
all
at
once.
If
we
choose
not
to
now,
I
believe
mr.
moe
holds
lots.
Are
here.
N
L
B
B
Just
gonna
ask
this:
is
this
even
an
application
for
a
regrind
surface
or
wood
I
mean
I
to
me,
it
seems
like
that
would
be
the
route
to
go
gravel
or,
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
rewrite
and
I.
Well
reason:
I
say
that
is
the
dust
issue
and
you're
saying
there's
nowhere
for
the
water
to
go.
If,
if
you
do
have
a
runoff
issue,
that's
not
gonna
work
out
real
well
with
gravel,
probably
actually.
L
L
M
L
M
You
anticipate
this
would
be
housing
that
would
ever
come
about
back
here.
Do
you
think
this
is
mostly
garages
and
big
sheds
and
that
kind
of
stuff
it
seems
like
years
ago-
and
we
were
talking
about
this
on
the
plane
Commission.
It
was
determined
that
this
people
wouldn't
have
thought
this
is
going
to
be
housing
back
there,
but
it
would
be
a
good
place
to
have
a
big
garage
or
big
shed
or
something
well.
A
The
problem
is
it's:
it's
mostly
zoned
for
homes
and
that's
a
down
zone
to
go
to
the
residential
garage
district,
because
you
cannot
live
in
that.
So
you
can't
sell
that
for
a
home.
But
if
you
assume
it's
going
to
be
garages
and
don't
extend
full
services
to
it,
then
someone
wants
to
put
a
home
there.
E
L
They're
occupying
it
as
residences.
Yes,
there
would
be
mail
for
sure,
like
the
city
garbage,
because
they're
within
the
city
limits
those
few
that
are
out
there
probably
get
some
minimal
level
of
utility
service
off
of
Lake
Drive
because
doesn't
Lane
and
the
little
stump
streets
in
between
are
not
improved.
I
can't
imagine
that
they're
they're
not
getting
served
in
some
fashion
or
snow.
A
L
J
L
L
I'm,
just
I'm
just
describing
what
we
would
consider
our
minimum
acceptability
right
now
is
that
and
they
need
to
provide
a
high
clearance
of
14
feet
six
inches,
and
you
know
they
need
that
they're
subject
to
the
same
grade
requirements
as
public
streets.
So
that's
what
I
would
consider
a
minimum
roadway
now
granite.
That's
a
private
roadway,
not
public
roadway,
but
that's
basically
what
we
would
allow
somebody
else
that
would
never
turn
it
over
to
the
city.
We
wouldn't
accept
it
like
that,
but
that's
what
the
minimum
role
is
right
now,
I.
A
Guess
you're
asking
for
a
kind
of
a
feel
of
problems
that
you
might
have
with
allowing
a
gravel
road
to
be
installed.
What
kinds
of
assurances
would
we
want?
Would
we
do
it
as
a
temporary
when
there's
a
certain
number
of
houses
built
or
structures
built
that
they
agree
not
to
protest
an
assessment
project
to
pave?
We
could
do
something
like
that.
Oh.
L
Yeah
we
do
that
routinely
where
there's
not
the
full
public
improvements.
A
most
common
thing
is
sidewalk
actually
but
yeah.
If
somebody's
getting
a
building
permit
in
an
unimproved
portion
of
the
road,
we
get
a
waiver
of
right
to
protest
document
along
with
the
building
permit
and
most
recently,
my
best
example
is
we
just
paved
12th
Avenue
southeast.
L
You
know
a
couple
blocks
off
of
highway
212
based
on
finally
getting
enough
rights,
protests
and-
and
we
pushed
forward
with
the
project
there
to
get
that
pig.
That
is
one
way
to
make
sure
that
these
properties,
if
they
are
to
get
building
permits,
we
can
hit
up.
You
know,
get
them
to
sign
that
document
and
then
that
paves
a
way
to
do
the
ultimate
improvement
someday.
L
O
L
Do
would
still
be
done
in
my
opinion,
by
a
petition
from
adjacent
landowners,
so
they
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
decide
what
poplar
or
minimal
public
improvements
that
we
would
require
are,
in
other
words,
if
that's
just
a
gravel
road,
that's
maintainable
and
and
people
can
use
the
access
and
turn
around
and
get
back
out.
That's
one
thing
you
know
so
I
would
say
that
that's
our
minimum.
We
decide
that
then
they
would
have
to
petition
to
at
least
get
that
type
of
service
or
not
otherwise,
right
now
they
petition
for
public
improvements.
L
It
would
be
creating
and
graveling
paving,
curb
and
gutter
and
even
sidewalk
at
this
point
in
time,
men
and
really
my
opinion-
is
that
the
council
is
the
best
place
to
ultimately
grant
or
deny
those
we
would
take
it
through
the
public
process.
We
would
bring
it
through
Planning
Commission
procedures,
if
need
be,
have
all
the
public
hearings
etc.
But,
ultimately,
you
know
any
change
from
our.
What
level
standard
service
we
expect
should
be
approved
through
the
council.
Well,.
O
L
E
Right,
Shane
I'm
not
suggesting
this
is
a
solution,
but
I
mean
they're
structures
out
there
that
we're
not
quite
sure
how
or
why
they
were
allowed.
I
mean
there.
Is
there
any
I
caught
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
mr.
mold
was
very
eloquent
in
his
frustrations
that
he's
been
going
through
since
last
spring?
Is
there
any
any
provision
for
any
kind
of
variants
that
can
be
granted
to
to
allow
it?
Is
it
for
the
masses?
L
Request
yet,
but
one
of
them
that's
been
somebody's
been
in
our
office
and
talking
about
it
is
this
is
a
public
right
away.
Access
that
splits,
these
same
property
owner
owns
property
on
both
sides,
he's
proposing
that
he
be.
We
vacate
this
right
away
and
then
rededicate
it
here,
and
then
he
would
move
and
improve
his
fences
and
buildings
and
whatnot
to
accommodate
that,
and
then
he
would
have
one
contiguous
piece
of
property
that
is
not
split
by
public
right-of-way.
L
E
I
guess
my
ultimate
question
is
is
for
the
sake
of
this
one
request
that
we
do
have
before
it's
being
a
variance
I'm,
asking
told
out
of
ignorance.
I
mean.
Is
that
a
possibility
that
that
a
permit
could
be
be
issued
if
there's
a
variance
granted
to
allow
this
project
and
and
then
still
work
on
the
long
term
solution
like
we've
been
talking
about
that.
L
N
A
A
B
K
L
So,
and
and
I
don't
I
just
want
to
mention
this,
because
it's
been
discussed
as
part
of
the
process
I'm
not
recommending
it.
It's
just
simple
fact.
One
way
that
hasn't
been
discussed
is
reducing
the
speed
along
Lake
Drive
and
opening
it
up
for
access
just
like
it
is
on
the
other
three-quarters
of
the
lake
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
obviously
they
had
some
foresight
in
the
back
in
the
day
when
this
was
annexed
to
try
to
prevent
that.
L
L
A
L
I
agree:
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
a
if
we're
gonna
talk.
Variances
I
mean
maybe
it's
one
accent,
one
additional
access
on
the
North
Lake
Drive,
rather
than
monkey
around
with
the
rest
of
the
stuff.
That's
just
another
thing
for
you
to
think
about
I'm,
not
suggesting
it
as
the
only
alternative.
N
Pam
Mahal
and
I've
been
involved
in
this
since
the
70s
and
excuse
me
there
there
will
be
no
houses
built
in
this
edition
in
this
North
Lake
Drive
Edition,
simply
because
of
the
problems
that
are
there
most
of
the
people.
Don't
even
know
that
there's
a
r1g
available,
everybody
would
sign
it.
You
brought
up
the
other
day
that
maybe
we
already
have
a
rg1.
N
N
N
N
A
N
J
N
So,
yes,
if
you
see
what's
done
there,
if
you,
if
you
go
out
and
look
at
that
thing,
that's
right,
except
for
the
two
houses
that
are
down
there
and
they
were
down
before
this
came
into
the
city.
Okay,
both
of
the
Lots
were
bought.
So
there's
a
very
little
area
there
that
has
sewer
and
modern.
When
the
city
came
to
me
and
said
mister
muffled,
could
we
use
your
driveway
to
run
the
sewer
down
towards
your
house
about
a
hundred
feet
and
then
cut
across?
E
N
N
Are
you
talking
about
here?
There's
all
kinds
of
eight
entrances
into
there,
the
people
using
that
was
never
so
they
are
using
it
they're
using
it.
They
cut
their
own,
they
just
cut
their
own,
so
they
are.
He
didn't
you
have
you
count
them
they're,
not
City.
Those
are
just
people
that
just
did
what
they
were
wanting
to
do.
Well,
what
I'm
saying
is
the
the
land
when
it
was
originally
proposed.
I
was
in
on
some
of
the
hearings
on
that
back
in
the
70s,
and
that
was
originally
proposed.
N
It
was
a
marvelous
idea,
and
then
you
had
to
have
the
roots
of
that
city.
It
wanted
the
the
roads,
the
houses
all
had
to
face
that
driveway
new
road.
Okay,
so
that
the
Seward
and
water
and
all
that
stuff
could
be
brought
that
brought
down
okay
else
down
there,
but
nobody's
using
I
mean
it
stopped.
It
stopped
because
all
it
is
is
grudges,
and
then
I
notice,
when
trying
to
since
to
say,
is
that
road
30
years
from
now
won't
be
any
different.
A
This
well
and
and
that's
an
important
point
and
I
think
that
our
staff
can
reach
out
to
everyone
who
owns
property
there
and
and
ask
who
would
oppose
a
rezone
to
a
residential
garage
district,
because
that
that
really
changes
the
picture
and
the
access
is
a
big
deal
here.
It
would
take
a
council
action
to
reverse
anything
that
was
designated
back
at
the
beginning,
which
is
what's
keeping
you
from
building
or
anyone
else
from
building
on.
There
is
that
access
piece
so
I
think,
and
we
need
to
wrap
up
here,
because
we
have.
N
Another
meeting
starting,
but
it's
more
challenging
I,
have
a
person
pull
into
that
from
129
139.
The
old
139
then
going
pull
him
up
and
have
him
back
in
the
driveway
I'm
North
Lake
Drive
that
would
be
on
the
lake
site.
There's
a
lot
less
hazard,
but
there's
these
room.
These
lots
are
so
close
together.
What.
A
N
J
J
J
N
L
N
A
A
And
we
planning
more
Lots
would
be
stopped
by
our
comp
plan,
whether
doc
Howard
wanted
it
or
not,
because
their
comp
plan
says
no
more
Lots
will
be
created
in
this
area.
So,
if
we're
going
to
follow
our
comp
plan,
we
won't
be
planning
lots
on
the
other
side
of
that
road
until
we
have
an
upgrade
to
our
water
system.
L
J
L
A
L
We'll
do
the
survey
and
and
figure
that
out
and
we'll
continue
the
discussion.
I
would
want
to
point
out
again,
though,
that
our
G
zoning
does
allow
water
and
sewer
service
now.
So
we
can't
close
the
book
on
those
two
public
utilities
needed
to
be
extended
at
some
point
if
somebody
wishes
to
have
water
and
sewer
to
their
our
G
property.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
We'll
continue
the
discussion
we'll
keep
mr.
moe
hold
and
are
close
to
us
and
in
these
discussions
and
kind
of
nudge
things
forward.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
before
we
totally
close
this
out.
Did
anybody
else
want
to
say
anything
about
this?
Okay,
moving
on
future
agenda
items,
anybody
have
a
future
agenda
item
they'd
like
to
discuss
all
right,
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
adjourn,
take
a
10-minute
break
and
we'll
be
back
for
the
council
meeting
at
7:00.