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From YouTube: Public Works, Finance & Safety Meeting 9 17 2018
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Public Works / Finance / Safety Committee agenda for 9-17-18
A
Means
and
methods
that
the
contractor
proposed
to
use
that
engineering
reviewed
and
approved
at
the
time
and
kept
close
tabs
on
to
make
sure
that
they
did
indeed
get
a
clean
cut,
because
sometimes
that
removal
can
compromise
the
asphalt
edge,
which
is
not
ideal.
But
we
did
keep
close
tabs
on
that
and
ensured
that
the
work
was
done
properly.
So
thank.
B
You
and
I
understand
it
looks
great
and
the
workmanship
was
fine
and
it
saved
a
bundle
of
money
doing
it
that
way.
So
that's
good
any
questions
or
discussion
about
this
all
right.
I'll
look
for
action,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
that
was
a
post
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion,
carries
item.
Number
five
is
update
on
golf
course.
Funding
for
the
shoreline
stabilization
project
and
I
see
Terry
Kelly
from
the
Park
and
Recreation
Department
is
here.
C
Thank
You
mayor
I
do
have
pictures
on
email.
If
we
want
to
pull
it
up,
if
not
pretty
basic
on
this
one,
we
do
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
In
course,
improvements
budgeted
in
the
two
twelve
capital
account.
But
when
we
came
to
you
during
budget
time
that
was
for
renovation
of
greens,
we
have
since
determined
to
hold
off
on
that.
So
the
money
is
still
sitting
in
our
account.
What
happened
this
spring
as
we
lost
an
abundant
of
our
shoreline,
where
the
irrigation
intake
was
put
in
on
on
the
lake
side?
C
We're
simply
looking
at
to
utilize
that
hundred
part
of
that
hundred
thousand
funds,
approximately
7,500
to
ten
thousand
we're
still
in
the
process
of
getting
final
quotes.
Just
looking
for
an
update
and
I,
don't
know
Kristen.
If
we
need
action
for
approval
its
generic
course
improvements
fund,
but
we
would
like
to
spend
up
to
ten
thousand
fixing
that
shoreline
with
riprap.
C
Don't
think
we're
looking
for
action
because
we
do
have
funded
dollars
for
coarse
improvements
with
talks
with
Kristen.
We
feel
that
falls
into
it,
but
at
budget
time,
when
we
did
come
forward,
we
did
tell
the
council
that
was
going
to
be
for
green
rehab
and
we
were
going
to
alter
the
spinning
slightly
to
a
different
course
improvement,
which
would
be
the
riprap.
C
D
C
At
this
point,
we
check
statute
of
limitations
on
our
warranty
was
up
the
RepRap.
They
didn't
worked
well
at
I,
won't
say
high
level
at
the
current
lake
level
at
that
time,
and
then
it
went
down.
So
we
didn't
experience
and
tell
what.
Last
year
we
had
the
high
lake
level,
which
over
washed
the
current
RepRap
and
took
out
the
bank
and
along
with
it
the
riprap,
was
there
pretty
much
washed
away
into
the
lake
so
but.
C
C
B
G
G
That's
doing
the
haunted
house
to
last
lessen
his
liability,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
the
public
safe
and
they
can
sell,
have
a
good
time,
but
things
are
done
safely
and
there's
like
this
is
just
an
example
sample,
there's
quite
a
few
that
I
found
that
we
would
come
together.
The
fire,
different
fire
department,
side
of
the
house.
You
know
I,
don't
I
have
no
time
to
do
this,
but
working
with
a
building
official
and
we're
gonna
coordinate
with
each
other
that
we're
gonna
we're
going
to
make
sure
they
get
inspected.
G
But
with
with
ours
you
know
or
the
time
that
it
takes.
You
know
I
just
I'm
over
booked
right
now,
but,
like
I
say
the
building
official
will
take
care
of
that.
I
spoke
with
him
and
and
then
we'll
coordinate
with
each
other
I'll
help
out,
but
just
we're
gonna
go
through
the
building
department
on
that.
Okay.
C
B
And
so,
if
you
look
at
this
permit,
which
is
from
someplace
in
Kansas,
they
ask
for
a
floor
plan
of
the
structure
where
the
people
will
be
congregating,
noting
emergency
exits,
a
sketch
plan,
including
parking
and
restroom
facilities,
location
of
fire
extinguishers,
lighting
verification
of
liability,
insurance,
consent
of
the
building
owner,
a
hold
harmless
agreement
for
the
city's
protection
and
water
hope.
This
has
fire
extinguishers
on
there
again
and/or
water
hose.
So
this
is
an
example
of
what.
B
And
the
staff
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
get
the
council's
input
on
whether
you
think
this
is
a
good
idea
to
have
this
new
permit
permits
are
easy
to
write
up.
We
could
start
there
with
just
having
a
form,
wouldn't
require
council
approval
or
anything,
and
that's
not
what
we're
thinking
just
to
have
kind
of
a
checklist
of
safety
items.
Does
anybody
have
any
input
councilman
why
the.
H
I
That
kind
of
segues
very
nicely
into
what
I
was
going
to
say
was
that
it
helps
us
know
where
if
we
did
indeed
require
a
form,
because
a
form
is
easy
to
fill
out,
if
we're
not
charging
a
fee
for
it,
we
just
want
to
know
where
you
are
and
that
you've
taken
a
minute
to
think
about
what
you're
doing.
Then
they
you
as
a
fire
staff
in
law
enforcement.
I
Whoever
needs
to
know
that
that's
going
on,
has
address
and
and
knows
that,
that's
going
on,
and
you
know
you
get
the
word
out
and
I
just
feel
like
it
would.
It
would
just
give
a
heads
up
as
to
where
they're
located,
because
I
think
josh
is
right,
though
more
and
more
people
like
to
do
those
know.
I
used
to
do
a
half-hour
block
was
a
haunted
house.
I
mean
but
I
think
that
wouldn't
be
a
bad
idea
to
require
even
the
smaller
private
ones.
Right.
B
H
G
What
and
one
thing
to
think
about
is
when
it's
in
their
primary
structure
of
their
house,
you
know
I,
don't
have
a
large
concern
with
it,
but
these
other
back
whole
backyards
and
whole
front
yards
and
putting
tents
up
and
another
items.
You
know
that's
now,
let's
get
pretty
large,
you
know
there
might
be
something
with
you
know
their
own
private
house.
You
know,
you
know,
can
we
do
a
permit
for
inside
their
own
private
house
or
how
that
works?
Chip.
H
G
J
B
There's
one
that's
really
huge
and
it's
just
a
concern
that
we
aren't
invited
to
check
out
and
see
if
they
have
alternate
routes
for
exit
or
fire
extinguishers
nearby.
We
don't
know
anything
about
it
other
than
we
see
it,
projecting
out
into
the
right-of-way
and-
and
we
know
that
it
includes
the
entire
backyard
which
is
fence.
So
what
would
happen?
And
if
there's
an
emergency,
is
there
adequate
place
for
people
to
escape?
We
don't
want
to
shut
it
down
at
all.
B
D
Guess
it's
my
comment
to
me.
It
looks
like
a
solution
looking
for
a
problem,
in
my
opinion,
I'm
always
cognitive
safety
issues,
but
I
mean
I
would
never
have
thought,
and
maybe
that's
I
mean
that
staffs
job
obviously
but
I
mean
to
me
I,
feel
us
being
intrusive
and
so
I
had
to
vote
up
or
down
or
right
now.
I
would
I
would
vote
no
on
this
mayor.
G
And
that's
fine
that
we
wanted
to
bring
this
to
your
attention
because
basically
one
of
them
was
set
up.
You
know
out
into
the
right
away,
that's
where
the
conversation
came
up
with
and
then
we
talked
about
safety
check,
look
lists
and
you
know
we
basically
googled
haunted
houses
and
then
the
fire
department
permits
came
up
a
whole
bunch
from
different
cities.
The
fire
departments
doing
haunted
house
permits.
You
know.
D
K
G
B
The
one
does
have
a
tent
that
extends
well
into
the
public
right-of-way,
and
is
that
okay
I
mean
do
it?
If
it's
up
there
for
a
day,
is
it
okay?
If
it's
up
there
for
a
month?
Is
it
okay?
Where
do
we
draw
the
line?
What
what
do
you
want
the
staff
to
do
about
that
and
I
wasn't
sure
where
you
would
stand
on
this
councilman
Bueller
and.
L
I
agree
with
Glen
I
think
it's
it's
intrusive,
I
think
maybe
chip.
It
might
be
a
good
idea
to
look
at
these
on
an
individual
basis.
I
mean
if
you
know
about
them,
you
hear
about
them
and
it
could
be
a
problem.
Maybe
you
go
have
a
discussion
with
them.
It's
not
something
that
we're
mandating,
but
here's
some
considerations
that
you
might
have.
If
you're
going
to
continue
with
this
some
safety
issues,
you
may
want
to
go.
L
G
And
that's
I'm,
just
just
food
for
thought
on
that.
Subject
alone,
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
step
foot
on
somebody's
property,
to
just
check
for
safety.
Well,
if
there's
no
permitting
process
and
there's
nothing
to
fall
through
if
I
see
something,
that's
obviously
dangerous
and
not
well
thought
out,
you
know
what
authority
do
I
have
to
say.
Well,
you
know,
can
you
what
are
you
a
mime
for
sin
ething
if
we
don't
have
a
permitting
process?
That's
just
something
to
think
about
right.
B
I
I
So,
if,
if
you
feel
this
is
something
that
going
forward
might
be
a
good
thing
to
have
on
hand
or
have
a
permitting
process
that
allows
you
to
go
in
and
make
a
correction
to
a
serious
problem,
then
you
know
we
have
to
consider
that
side
of
it
as
well.
You
know
you
came
to
us
with
a
potential
solution
to
a
problem.
You've
seen
so
I,
don't
know
that
is
necessarily
creating
a
solution
problem
that
doesn't
exist.
You
sitting
there
means
that
there's
a
problem.
D
G
There
is
a
you
know:
the
the
fire
court
has
a
large
swath,
but
there's
there's
private
dwellings,
single-family
homes,
it's
you
know
what
I
have
for
authority.
There
is
the
installation
of
smoke,
alarms
egress
windows,
but
that's
where
it
goes
from
there,
so
that
that's
where
the
permit
process
would
come
into
play
where
the
the
building
a
fish
or
myself.
Would
you
know
this?
You
need
you
need,
so
you
need
so
many
exit
area
groups
can
be
so
large.
G
You
know
if
it's
and
that's
what
some
of
them
are
just
minimal
things
that,
when
they're
building
these
these
haunted
houses
that,
if
they,
if
they
know
ahead
of
time
when
we
work
with
them,
they're
pretty
minor,
it's
just
something
that
they
might
have
never
thought
of,
and
you
know
some
of
them
just
you
know,
make
groups
of
only
so
large
and
there's
somebody
going
with
them
walking
with
a
flashlight.
You
know
them
in
case
something
does
happen,
they're
aware
of
this,
the
environment,
how
to
get
people
out
of
that
area.
So
just
it's
something.
B
G
Well,
like
the
backyard
things
they'll
make
a
maze
or
they'll
build
a
structure,
it's
a
temporary
structure,
but
there
if
they
enclose
it,
they
put
a
roof
on
it.
They
use
Oh
speedy
at
these
flammable
things.
You
know
there
that
wasn't
a
lot
of
the
check
sheets
of
you
know.
So
there
wasn't.
You
know
what
dry
conditions
and
then
one
part
of
you
know
too
many
extension
cords
or
bad
wiring,
or
something
that
we
would
walk
through
and
say
he
should
fix
this.
That
way
would
ensure,
or
at
least
try
to
minimize.
G
B
All
right
thanks
chip
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
old
business
and
we
do
have
one
item
of
old
business
which
I
brought
forward
to
talk
about
after
there
was
some
discussion
at
a
previous
council
meeting
about
gravel
roads
and
I.
Wasn't
at
that
council
meeting,
but
people
were
saying
well
didn't
didn't
we
have
money
set
aside
for
paving
gravel
roads,
so
I
brought
that
forward
and
and
I
know,
there's
some
a
property
owner
in
the
audience
that
this
is
a
big
concern
too.
B
Showing
where
all
the
gravel
roads
are
in
the
city
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
the
screen
there,
but
the
blue
shaded
area
is
the
city
limits
and
I
couldn't
figure
out
how
to
shut
off
the
gravel
roads
that
are
outside
the
city
limits.
This
is
a
layer
on
our
GIS
system
and
wherever
there's
a
bold
red
line.
That's
where
there
was
a
gravel
road
in
2012,
and
some
of
these
may
have
been
paved
since.
B
Not
sure
I
know
that
one
and
we're
Tareq's
is
going
has
been
vacated.
So
we
certainly
don't
want
to
pave
that
one.
But
you
can
see
there
are
quite
a
few
gravel
roads
in
the
city
limits
right
now.
So
if
we
were
to
start
paving
gravel
roads,
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
priority
list,
of
which
ones
do
we
do
first
and
how
much
of
it
do
we
pay?
So
the
money
was
put
aside
and
I
made
this
map,
and
then
I
also
did
a
spreadsheet,
which
is
the
next
page
and
I
know.
B
You
can't
read
that,
but
the
this
shows
the
cost
estimated
cost
in
2012
dollars
of
paving
all
of
these
gravel
roads
and
I
may
have
missed
some.
This
spreadsheet
I'm
not
positive.
This
is
complete,
but
the
2012
dollars
total
was
3.7
million
dollars
and
I
updated
that
to
2018
dollars,
just
using
the
Consumer
Price
Index
that
inflates
to
just
over
4
million
dollars
worth
of
paving,
and
this
does
not
include
curb
and
gutter.
This
is
just
ask
fault
and
there's
a
little
over
5
miles.
B
So
if
the
council
would
like
to
start
paving
gravel
roads,
we
should
probably
figure
out
a
way
to
prioritize
these
and
I
can
think
of
offhand.
We
talked
about
doing
it
by
traffic
count.
That's
one
way
we
could
do
it
pave
the
ones
that
get
more
traffic
first,
we
could
do
it
by
hours
of
time
spent
by
the
street
department
in
grading,
gravel
roads.
Some
roads
are
more
labor-intensive
to
maintain
than
others.
We
could.
You
know
we
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
B
We
could
do
it
and
also
I
it's
fair
to
point
out
that
some
of
these
roads
have
commitments
by
the
property
owners
who
got
a
building
permit
or
did
a
plat
on
condition
that
they
pay
at
their
own
expense
for
the
paving
if
the
city
should
ever
order
it
in
so
there's
those
and
I
think
that's
not
a
big
number
but
I
know
there's
some
of
those
have
what
we
call
waivers
of
right
to
protest.
A
petition,
Street
project
and
I.
B
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
we
do
have
a
process
for
getting
roads
paved
roads
are
paved
by
the
property
owners
generally
a
court
in
accordance
with
our
ordinances.
The
subdivision
process
is
how
we
get
paved
roads.
It's
also
how
we
grant
building
rights.
So
that's
where
the
waivers
of
right
to
protest
come
in.
If
someone
gets
a
building
right
without
a
paved
road,
they
generally
give
us
a
waiver
right
to
protest,
a
future
petition
Street
project.
B
So
when
the
city
orders
it
in,
they
cannot
fight
it
and
in
general,
as
you
know,
if
you
get
fifty
five
percent
of
the
adjacent
property
owners
to
sign
a
petition
against
a
road
project,
it
can
be
overturned.
But
then
the
council
can,
with
two-thirds
vote
order
it
back
in,
and
the
property
owners
have
to
pay.
That's
what
our
laws
say.
B
B
We
do
have
a
waiver
right
to
protest
on
one
side,
but
not
the
other,
so
that
road
is
it's
on
the
table
and
we
had
a
cost
estimate
for
doing
that
just
this
year
earlier
this
year
and
we
didn't
push
it
through,
as
you
probably
recall
that
one
on
my
spreadsheet
was
$82,000,
but
our
cost
estimate
this
year
was
a
hundred
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
and
that
recent
cost
estimate
included
four
inches
of
asphalt.
This
spreadsheet
is
everything
is
three
and
it
also
included
curb
and
gutter.
B
So
I
guess
I
wasn't
here
to
talk
about
this
one.
The
council
brought
up
the
question.
Well,
didn't
we
have
a
plan
at
some
point
to
pave
our
roads
and
wasn't
there
money
in
the
budget?
And
yes,
there
was
so
if,
if
this
is
something
you'd
like
us
to
pursue,
I
think
the
staff
will
take
some
direction
from
you
as
to
what
sort
of
program
are
we
talking
about?
Is
it?
How
would
you
go
about
prioritizing?
B
Who
should
get
the
money,
and
should
there
be
some
cost-sharing
involvement
on
the
adjacent
property
owner?
It's
part
like
the
city
is
going
to
pay
for
it
like
with
our
sidewalk
project.
We
can
order
sidewalks
in,
but
then
we
pay
two
dollars
a
square
foot
toward
the
improvement
when
people
are
made
to
pave
it.
So
I
guess
I'm
open
to
any
questions
that
you
might
have
or
discussion
about
this
councilman
Roby.
F
If
I
recall,
when
the
road
doesn't
go
in
on
a
house
and
development,
what
have
you
right
two
waivers
employ
wait.
A
waiver
of
right
to
protest
is
put
in
place.
Is
it
fair
and
accurate
to
assume
that
the
property
was
sold
at
a
lesser
amount?
In
other
words,
we're
not
the
city
didn't
enforce
the
paved
road
ordinance.
F
People
forget
that
sometimes
in
that,
when,
when
when
that
is
not
enforced
or
not
enforced
at
the
time
it,
then
the
obligation
doesn't
go
away.
So
if
somebody
bought
a
house
on
a
gravel
road
somewhere
along
the
line,
somebody
paid
less
to
either
build
the
house
or
constructed
or
the
sales
price
should
have
reflected
that
at
some
point
right.
J
On
the
other
hand,
there
might
have
been
on
some
of
these,
but
it
would
seem
like
if
we
could
get
as
long
as
we
have
some
way
to
do
this.
It
would
help
cut
the
costs.
I
think
a
lot
of
those
people
would
like
to
have
I
know.
The
people
that
were
talking
about
now
would
like
to
have
a
road
that
wasn't
a
washboard
mm-hmm.
That
is
really
that's
really
a
bad
right.
B
But
if
the
city
is
paying
for
these
now,
should
we
continue
the
process
of
allowing
roads
to
be
put
in
graveled
with
a
is
because
we
have
done
one
like
just
in
the
last
couple
of
years
on
an
Eastwood
splat.
The
developer
was
required
to
just
gravel
part
of
a
road
that
wasn't
going
to
have
any
driveways
on
it
and
then
sometime
in
the
future,
it
would
be
ordered
in
and
in
you
know,
instead
of
putting
it
in
with
the
development
and
councilman.
F
Roby
I
appreciate
Dan's
point
that
the
risk
of
what
you're
talking
about,
though,
is
exactly
what
might
happen
there.
Somebody's
gonna
put
a
new
development,
they're
gonna
find
I
would
think
that
to
get
cost
out
of
it,
they'll
not
pave
the
road
with
the
idea
that,
of
course,
the
city
will
end
up
picking
it
up
anyway,
right.
F
E
Like
to
know
how
much
time
or
Street
departments
on
you
know
maintaining
these
roads
fixing
them
how
much
they're
you
know
greeting
them,
because
they're,
obviously
they
can't
go
down
and
just
plow
them
off
and
call
it
good.
I
mean
they're
to
take
gravel
with
things
like
that.
I
think
we
should
probably
Ora
ties
them
as
far
as
how
much
time
we're
spending
on
them
as
a
city
and
how
much
City
dollars.
It
really
goes
towards
that
which
we
can
figure
that
out
and
if
we
do
a
cost
share.
I'm.
K
I
did
do
some
quick
math
on
21st
Street.
Then,
each
time
we
go
down
that
road.
It
costs
us
about
55
bucks
in
fuel
labor
and
cutting
edges
that
doesn't
include
any
of
the
other
more
and
tear
on
a
machine.
But
you
know
in
general,
most
of
our
roads
are
bladed
once
every
two
weeks,
21st
Street
is
one
we
watch.
We
don't
always
get
down
there
when
we
should,
it
just
depends
on
half
and
we
have
rain
like
now.
K
K
F
B
F
Point
is
I'm
surprised.
We
have
so
much
of
this
because
we've
created
this
problem
by
letting
it
happen.
The
city
has
let
it
happen.
We
haven't
enforced
two
ordinances
and
now
I've
got
a
map
with
a
lot
of
red
lines
on
it.
I
don't
want
to
be
harsh
to
those
that
live
on
gravel
roads,
but
when
you
bought
the
property,
it
came
with
it
in
instances
where
it
comes
with.
Well,
there's
a
right
of
waiver
protest.
You
acquired
that
obligation
and
I
guess:
I,
look
at
it,
I,
don't
think.
B
I
should
point
out
not
all
of
the
property
owners
got
away
with
something
in
the
city
when
we
annexed
the
lake
we
annexed
a
bunch
of
gravel
roads
and
those
were
gravel
roads
when
they
came
into
the
city,
and
there
was
no
requirement
at
annexation
to
do
this,
but
Pete
if
you
could
put
that
map
back.
If
you
look
at
a
lot
of
those
roads
are
in
the
county
and
when
we
annex
should
we
be
making
that
a
requirement
that
the
gravel
roads
that
we
annex
in
get
paved
that's
something
to
consider
councilman
aalverson.
J
K
K
K
K
There,
where
that's
showing
there,
we
put
millions
on
that,
we
put
it
about
six
inches
deep
now
that
road
we
use
newer
millings,
which
was
off
14th
Avenue,
our
high
traffic
roads
like
that
get
Milton
overlaid
more
often,
those
millions
were
still
still
had
a
lot
of
oil
and
it
was
soft
and
pliable
it
connected
with
itself
it
rolled
in
real
good.
That's
almost
like
a
paved
road
at
this
point,
there's
no
dust
on
it.
K
The
problem
that
you
have
with
something
with
that
many
millions
is
they
bind
together
so
well
that
to
do
any
work
on
it.
Now
you
have
to
treat
it
like
an
asphalt
room.
You
have
to
patch
it
like.
We
would
an
asphalt
road.
You
can
take
roads
such
as
33rd,
Street,
add
millions
to
it.
You
can
do
a
primer,
you
can
do
a
blotter
top,
which
would
be
another
option
to
reduce
dust
which
is
a
blotter
top
is
like
a
double
chip
seal.
K
J
K
Right,
if
you,
if
you
do
thirty
third,
that
you're
getting
yet
just
like
you,
would
a
normal
normal
gravel
road,
you're
gonna
have
washboard,
but
you'll
reduce
your
amount
of
dust
7st!
It's
if
you
drive
down
it,
I
drove
down
it
today.
Actually,
and
it's
not
a
bad
street,
but
it's
definitely
not
perfect,
like
a
paved
road
would
be
there's,
there's
bumps
in
it
and
stuff
like
that.
It's
not
washboard
by
any
means,
but
it's
definitely
not
perfect
either.
Well,.
B
K
Been
quite
a
few
years
and
actually
I
went
down
there
too
go
now.
I
met
with
a
lady
that
had
a
concern
about
that
Street
and
that's
a
good
example
of
what
7th
Street
will
probably
turn
into
as
a
road
where
you
need
to
do
some
pretty
major
maintenance
to
it,
and
it's
at
a
point
where
the
only
thing
we
really
can
do
is
is
mill
it
up
or
grind
it
in
place.
Basically
re
blade,
it
re,
wet
it
and
roll.
It
ran.
N
K
Hopefully
get
a
number
another
several
years
out
of
that
surface,
that
way
or
that's
an
ideal
situation
when
you
mill
it
up
or
grind
it
in
place,
roll
it
blade
or
blade
it
back
it,
let
it
roll
it
the
whole
thing
to
where
it's
smooth
and
then
do
a
blotter
top
at
that
time.
That's
that'll
hold
up
really
well,
but
it's
still
not
quite
right.
B
B
And-
and
this
is
something
this
is
controversial
all
over
the
country-
this
kind
of
treatment
of
a
road
and
putting
milling
stone
has
an
immediate
benefit,
but
then
it
gets
into
bad
shape
and
it's
difficult
to
manipulate
like
a
grab.
It's
not
like
a
gravel
road
that
you
can
just
in
I,
don't
know
how
long
it
takes
you
to
blade,
21st,
Street,
less.
B
Okay,
20
minutes,
you
can't
just
go
over
it
with
a
grater
in
20
minutes.
It's
stuck
together,
it'll
come
out
in
big
chunks,
and
then
you
have
a
bumpy
road
that
you
can't
grade
and
it
looks
like
gravel
more
than
asphalt,
but
it
does
not
act
like
gravel.
So
their
pros
and
cons
to
doing
this
and
and
I
think
the
from
the
research
I
read.
B
B
K
Did
have
a
company
came
to
town
and
wanted
to
do
a
little
demo
of
it's
called
a
zipper
and
it's
basically
48
inch
mill.
That
goes
on
the
front
of
the
loader,
and
he
did
a
test
run
for
us
on
the
south
end
of
that
just
the
east
side
of
that
road
for
probably
75
feet,
and
he
did
it
all
the
way
across
and
then
we
came
back
with
her
blade,
bladed
and
I'll
wheel,
packed
it
and
it
actually
just
that
little
bit
it
let
it
was.
K
K
B
L
I
just
little
history-
and
this
is
just
an
example-
this
is
twelfth
or
what
we've
kind
of
been
discussing
here.
You
know
when
I
ran
for
City
Council,
that's
in
my
ward
and
had
a
number
of
folks
that
were
upset
about
the
dust
that
were
adjacent
to
that
road,
and
you
know
even
a
couple
houses
away
that
that
had
been
a
problem
for
them.
I
think
it's
gonna
I
think
the
mayor
had
a
pretty
good
idea
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
where
we
established
some
criteria
to
prioritize
these
things.
L
And
and
I
and
I
tell
you
what
I
think
I
would
venture
to
guess
that
there's
very
few
of
these
roads
right
now
that
we're
looking
at
that
have
a
right
away.
Ver
to
protest.
I
bet
a
lot
of
them.
Don't
you
know
so.
You'd
have
to
kind
of
look
at
them
individually.
Look
at
that
criteria
with
the
traffic
and
decide
on
what
would
be
the
appropriate
surface
for
that
road
with
that
amount
of
traffic,
and
then
the
traffic
counts.
L
You
know,
that's
it
I
mean
that's
a
that's
a
really
good
idea,
but
I
think
a
committee
to
sort
of
study
this
for
us
to
say
yeah.
Let's
start
doing,
these
you
know
would
be
difficult.
I,
don't
think
it'd
be
a
really
good
way
to
go
about
this
at
this
point,
but
the
cost
share
thing.
Yet
some
of
these
folks
is
just
flat
dug
their
feet
in
and
said
we
are
not
paying.
We
don't
care.
We
don't
want
that
road.
How
do
you
deal
with
that?
L
Some
of
these
little
stretches
internally
in
our
community,
because
I've
had
people
say
what
the
world
you
get,
this
gravel
road
right
in
the
middle
of
town.
You
know
well
a
lot
of
folks,
don't
want
to
deal
with
that.
They
don't
want
to
spend
the
money
they're
living
on
that
road.
No,
it's
just
how
it
is
and
that's
why,
when
we
made
that
decision
to
budget
monies,
it
was
so
that
we
could
take
some
of
these
roads
that
were
perpetually
gravel
that
are
never
gonna.
L
B
F
B
F
I
want
a
dress
that
Bruce
said
there
are
some
that
don't
have
the
wavers,
some
that
don't
that's,
that
decisions
made.
So
if
somebody
wants
to
come
in
and
say
well,
they
have
a
wave
of
ranked
protests
I,
don't
they
shouldn't
get
an
advantage
if
there
is
indeed
an
advantage
there
that
was
decided
years
ago.
That's
not
on
this
body
right
now
and
I.
Think
that
gets
lost
in
the
discussion
is
we
do
want
to
try
and
treat
everybody
equitably,
but
part
of
being
equitable
is
following
ordinance
and
following
contracts.
D
B
D
So
I
guess
it
I
mean
I'm
all
in
favor
of
what
you're
saying
to
Bruce.
Let's
you
know,
let's
get
a
group
together
to
look
at
coming
up
some
kind
of
priority.
You
know
I
mentioned,
there's
a
number
of
different
criteria
as
we're
mentioned,
but
yeah
we
need
to
start
whittling
away
at
this,
and
you
know,
brought
prioritizing
to
me
is
a
first
step
on
this,
as
well
as
getting
some
current
cost.
Estimates
on
you
know
on
what
each
project
would
cost
Rob.
K
It's
and
basically
the
maintenance
consists
of
if
we
have
to
add
gravel,
we
blade
them.
As
you
know,
we
try
to
get
to
them
every
two
weeks
for
sure
and
then
sometimes
we
have
to
put
calcium
chloride
down
to
help
with
the
dust
that
just
depends
on
you
know.
If
we
get
complaints,
we
handle
a
complaint
basis.
B
It
will
be
I'll
tell
you,
it
will
be
greater
than
the
cost
of
grading
the
road,
but
the
level
of
service
is
so
much
higher
with
a
gravel
road.
You
don't
have
the
dust,
you
don't
have
the
potholes
and
it's
just
generally
more
acceptable
to
the
public,
so
it
it
isn't
like
it's
not
fair
to
just
say:
okay,
this
gravel
cost,
this
cost
of
grading
goes
away.
So
we'll
save
money,
you'll
save
that,
but
it's
replaced
with
a
higher
asphalt
maintenance,
cost
councilman
aalverson
Crabb.
J
Do
you
have
mailings
available
like
right
now,
I
I
like
what
we're
I'm
hearing
as
far
as
prioritizing
what
I
don't
like
is
I
think
we're
going
to
tell
21st
Street
again
that
they're
down
the
road
and
I
mean
I
was
just
down
there.
The
other
day
again,
I
mean
do
we
have
mailings
we
could
put
on
there
because
I've
seen
at
work
and
and
I
know,
you'd
say
right
away.
Well
what?
J
K
Do
have
a
pile
of
millions
left
that
actually
I
met
with
Doug
Krantz
today
that
we're
gonna
use
in
part
of
their
parking
lot,
but
their
parking
lot
expansion
if
it
weights
part
of
that
waits
till
next
year
to
expand
a
certain
portion
of
their
parking
lot.
That
would
be
fine,
I,
don't
know
if
the
millions
pile
is
enough
to
do
that.
Whole
stretch
of
roadway,
not
we'd,
have
to
calculate
that.
I
would
shoot
the
pile
and
see
if
it's
enough,
but
if
we're
going
to
do
it
like
we
did
on
seventh
Street,
we
would.
K
K
You
know
the
definitely
the
asphalt
roads
easiest,
the
gravel
roads.
We
have
to
be
cautious
not
to
drag
a
lot
of
the
material
with
and
dump
it
on
the
sides
inadvertently.
It
happens.
We
end
up
in
the
spring
a
lot
of
times
having
to
pull
gravel
back
off
the
edges
and
pull
it
back
onto
the
roadway
on
those
areas.
But
millings
road
I,
don't
think,
would
be
too
bad
as
long
as
the
millions
have
bonded
real
good
and
that
really
does
come
down
to
the
millions
we've
taken
off.
K
K
I
think
I
could
come
up
with
enough
material.
Even
if
we
had
to
we've
hauled
some
over
to
the
county.
We
could
get
some
of
that
back.
They
haven't
I'm
sure
they
haven't
mixed
at
all
with
gravel.
Yet
if
we
just
wanted
to
go
with
straight
millions
on
the
top
and
something
we
could
we
you
know,
I
don't
know.
L
B
N
B
That
there
was
a
shed
that
went
up
a
few
years
ago
and
they
were
not
required
because
it
was
not
a
primary
building
and
I
think
that
generally,
the
waivers
of
right
to
protest
are
collected
when
a
primary
structure
goes
up,
maybe
not
so
much
if
it's
just
a
remodel
or
probably
based
on
the
extent
of
the
remodel
or
if
it's
an
accessory
structure
can't
tell
you
what
happened
there.
I
I
mean
it
is
a
building
permit
and
the
waiver
bright
did
say,
building
permit,
didn't,
say,
big
building
permit
we've.
B
And
I
I
want
to
just
say
this
again:
the
subdivision
process
is
how
we
get
our
roads.
Paved
subdivision
is
the
process
of
taking
one
piece
of
land
and
selling
it
off
dividing
it
by
you
know
separate
owners.
We
don't
have
any
control
when
people
sell
off
pieces
of
their
land,
but
they
don't
necessarily
get
a
building
right.
B
The
building
rate
comes
from
the
city
through
the
subdivision
process,
and
we've
seen
that
right
in
our
ordinances,
that
Noora
of
building
permit
needs
to
be
subdivided
land
in
accordance
with
our
regulations,
and
then
you
have
to
have
an
improved
Road.
So
if
we
follow
our
subdivision
process
strictly,
we
wouldn't
be
giving
any
building
permits
and
that's
flexibility.
That's
been
done
too.
You
know,
depending
on
who's
the
mayor,
how
that's
been
enforced
or
not
enforced
and
I
personally
think
we
should
enforce
our
regulations
or
get
rid
of
them.
B
I,
don't
think
we
should
selectively
enforce
on
particular
people
and
not
on
other
people.
If
you're
it
says
you
don't
get
a
building
permit
without
our
subdivision
ordinance
being
followed,
then
maybe
they
should
follow
the
subdivision
process.
There
was
a
recent
inquiry
on
that
land
and
those
people
were
told
that
you
know
we
can't
stop
them
from
selling
off
a
piece
of
a
lot,
but
we
we
can't
guarantee
them
a
building
right
if
they
come
in
for
a
building
permit.
B
B
N
N
B
B
So
I
understand
and
I
think
that's
why
the
council
wants
to
look
at
maybe
doing
a
cost
share,
because
I
mean
we
just
had
a
presentation
on
our
cost-sharing
policy
for
sidewalks.
It's
the
same
kind
of
thing
on
a
smaller
scale.
The
adjacent
property
owner
is
responsible
for
installing
and
maintaining
the
sidewalks
in
our
community,
and
we
help
them
do
that
because
we
recognize
that
it's
expensive
and
we
pay
for
part
of
it.
So
what
they're
saying
is:
let's
do
that
for
roads.
B
D
L
Know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
big
a
problem
this
is
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
huge
problem.
I
do
know
that
the
Planning
Commission,
when
they
look
at
these
things
when
they
plat
these,
when
these
developments
are
put
together.
That's
that's
a
part
of
their
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
all
those
eyes
are
dotted
and
the
T's
are
crossed.
How
that
happened.
I
have
no
idea.
B
L
B
L
B
L
O
L
And
I
know:
I
know
that
in
some
instances
when
we
develop
it's
half
a
street,
it's
half
a
road
because
they're
adjacent
to
that
side
of
the
road
where
some
of
that
will
remain
gravel.
But
that
should
not
be
happening.
That
there's
a
check
and
balance
there
with
the
Planning
Commission,
so
I
would
be.
I
would
be
interested
to
know
how
that
happened.
A
Madam
mayor,
for
me,
yes,
just
for
whatever
it's
worth,
I
think
that
in
our
development
review
processes
and
our
design
standards
that
we're
working
on
updating
and
our
subdivision
regulations,
I
think
it's
it's
a
mindset
on
how
we
look
at
these
public
improvements
and
getting
to
where
councilman
Beeler
suggest
that
we
be
I
couldn't
agree
more
personally,
it's
I
do
think
it's
an
oddity
to
see
some
components
of
the
public
improvements
be
left
outlying,
incomplete
it
is.
It
is
rare
for
most
communities
to
see
that
to
happen.
A
I
know
there
are
special
circumstances
where
it
is
allowed
for
certain
projects,
but
it
should
be
the
exception
to
the
rule
and,
if
you
think
of
it
along
the
lines
of
our
water
and
sewer
infrastructure,
to
me,
the
streets
are
just
as
important
and
we
don't
allow
our
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
to
be
compromised.
But
for
some
reason,
over
the
years
we
have
let
our
streets
infrastructure
be
compromised
and
I.
A
Think
getting
to
that
point
of
looking
at
it
under
that
perspective,
of
it
being
a
necessity
to
have
a
paved
Street
with
any
development,
whether
it
be
a
residential
subdivision
or
a
commercial
development
or
an
industrial
park
for
that
matter.
But
looking
at
those
public
infrastructure
components
all
at
that
same
level
of
necessity.
I
think
in
my
own
public
or
my
own
professional
opinion
is
where
we
ought
to
be
heading
in
the
direction
of.
B
B
L
Do
you
is
it
possible
that
when
we
do
those
some
of
those
development
agreements,
things
get
kind
of
lost
in
the
in
the
shuffle
I
think
in
some
cases
it's
not
pointed
out,
it's
not
clear,
perhaps
to
the
council,
because
we
got
to
be
I.
Think
we,
if
that's
the
case,
we
need
to
be
more
diligent,
moving
forward.
I'll.
E
B
B
O
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
thing
about
the
waivers
of
right
to
protest,
just
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
the
council
has
the
ability
to
order
inroads
and
assess
the
cost
of
those
roads
regardless,
if
there's
a
waiver
right
to
protest,
if
55
percent
of
the
property
owners
protests,
all
that
is
required,
is
another
council
vote
and
two-thirds
of
the
council
to
override
that
protest.
So
even
if
they
protest,
the
council
has
the
authority.
Ultimately,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
clear.
A
So
their
development
completion
agreements
include
the
whole
list
of
public
infrastructure
improvements
that
come
through
in
their
civil
plan
set
to
the
engineering
office
for
review
and
includes
the
water,
the
sewer,
the
streets,
the
storm,
sewer
components
and
it's
signed
nip/tuck
put
away,
and
they
know
that's
what
they're
locked
into
and
99%
of
time
and
I
know.
Watertown
hasn't
gone
this
direction,
but
again
a
sneak
peak
for
that's
where
the
bonding
comes
into
play.
To
see
the
completion
of
those
improvements
carried
through
to
acceptance
by
City
Council
is.
A
Exactly
throughout
those
phases
of
the
development,
everything
is
checked
off
on
so
and
initially
it's
reviewed.
We
issue
all
the
permits,
the
zoning,
the
building
the
construction
permits
for
the
civil
improvements,
there's
random
inspections
that
occur
during
the
construction
and,
at
the
end,
the
developer
or
their
engineer,
contacts
us
as
we're
ready
to
close
this
outcome
inspect
the
site.
We
do
a
final
inspection.
It
comes
to
city
council
for
acceptance
that
triggers
the
one-year
warranty
period
a
year
out.
A
We
go
out
and
do
another
final
expection
on
the
warranty
period
and
then
give
them
a
punch
list
of
items
to
address
at
that
time
and
there's
tweaks
to
that
general
summation
that
I
provided
there.
But,
generally
speaking,
that's
been
a
very
effective
process
to
be
followed
that
our
communities
have
exercised
and.
E
That's
something
that
our
not
only
our
staff
has
wanted,
but
the
developers
want
as
well
so
I
mean
we
take
your
head
map,
oh,
but
our
developers
have
said
that
they
wanted
straightforward
checklists.
So
this
is
a
perfect
way
to
say
here
you
go.
This
is
what
you
need
to
do.
This
is
our
plan.
Follow
it
and
you're
good
right.
B
So
that's
what
that's!
What
we're
working
on
we're,
hoping
to
start
up
those
development
committee
meetings
again,
because
we
want
developers
input
on
this,
where
it's
an
overhaul
of
our
ordinances
that
were
embarking
on
and
an
adoption
of
design
standards.
We
want
the
development
community
to
embrace
what
we're
doing
and
to
tell
us
if
we're
attempting
to
do
something
they
don't
like,
so
that
they
can
be
heard
and
as
a
community
will
buy
in
on
this,
we'll
seek
input.
D
Got
a
question
I'm
not
sure
who
to
direct
it
to
I
I
sent
Jada
Lang
an
email
about
it
a
few
days
ago,
the
bike
path
out
on
21st
Street,
that
we
are
looking
at
moving
closer
to
the
airport
fence
if
the
FAA
agrees
to
it
and
in
extending
it
further
north
up
to
third
Avenue.
Well,
I
know
now
this
just
recently,
we
actually
took
out
the
old,
the
old
bike
path.
So
it's
now
essentially
a
dirt
or
you
know,
mud
mud
path
when
it
rains.
D
A
It's
very
good
question:
councilman,
ville
our
we
have
had
recent
discussions
about
this.
We
had
the
honor,
Park
and
recs
milling
component
of
our
milling
and
overlay
project.
That
was
one
of
them.
Obviously,
that
was
on
the
list
and
our
contractor
is
bringing
the
mill
in
to
do
that.
Work
on
multiple
locations,
including
that
rect
really
you're
referencing.
A
The
paving
of
it
back,
though,
is
what's
is
What's
in
question.
As
far
as
the
location
of
where
we
can
pay
that
back.
What
we're
waiting
on
is
direct
communication
from
the
FAA
to
approval
of
that
plat
that
you
guys
just
approved
with
the
adjustment
of
the
rights
of
way
through
there,
and
once
they
sign
off
on
that,
we
have
that
additional
right
away,
that
was,
it
was
expanded
or
adjusted.
They
would
accommodate
this
pathway
to
be
relocated
kind
of
up
on
the
higher
ground.
A
That's
the
goal
and
the
intent
on
where
that
pathway
should
be
and
where
it
makes
sense
to
pave
it
back
yet
so
I
guess
the
kicker
is,
is
waiting
on
that
determination
from
the
FAA.
So
we've
been
in
communication
with
our
consultant
and
with
Todd
at
the
airport
and
waiting
patiently
for
that
direction
from
them.
Unfortunately,
I
think,
given
the
circumstances
that
were
in
the
best.
Excuse
me,
the
worst
case
scenario
is
yes,
this
might
not
be
paved
back
until
next
season.
Paving
work
begins,
which
of
connect
spraying
next
summer.
So.
L
A
A
B
B
Stormwater
utilities
or
Road
utilities
and
the
storm
water
utility
helps
to
fund
a
lot
of
the
work
that
goes
on
on
roads
is
related
to
drainage
or
improper
drainage,
and
improper
drainage
really
makes
difficulties
with
roads.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
things
we
talked
about
in
the
past
and
we
haven't
been
talking
about
them
lately,
but
it
might
be
something
that
the
council
wants
to
talk
about
again
in
the
future,
so
any
other
old
business
councilmen.
J
B
J
About
a
lot,
I
have
one
other
question
too,
about
I've
had
a
lot
of
comments
recently
about
the
knot,
the
flowers
and,
what's
going
to
happen
downtown,
you
know,
we've
kind
of
chased
away
the
urban
renewal
board
and
so
nobody's
gonna
be
pushing
that
and
I
had
sent
a
note
to
Kristen
about
it.
After
she
had
said,
we
do
have
contingency
money
and
I'm
just
wondering.
If
is
that
an
option
at
all,
we
could
pay
for
those
flowers
this
year
and
board
room
and
get
them
done.
I.
J
Everybody
seems
to
really
like
him
and
with
two
thousand
dollars
for
next
year.
I
think
his
order
budget
is
they're,
gonna
go
away
again
and
then
we're
gonna
be
back
to
square
one,
and
if
we
do
have
contingency
dollars,
is
that
a
wise
use
of
those
contingency
dollars
for
next
year
to
make
sure
that
we
have
those
flowers
downtown?
J
M
Contingency
account
is
set
up
more
for
those
expenditures
that
you
didn't
anticipate,
but
our
projects
that
have
to
be
done
in
that
current
year,
so
the
flowers
wouldn't
be
until
2019,
so
using
the
2018
contingency
to
kind
of
prepay
for
flowers,
no
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
an
appropriate
use
of
the
contingency
fund.
I
know
that
the
flowers
are
always
ordered
in
it
quite
a
quite
aways
in
advance,
but
we
don't
pay
for
them
until
they're
delivered.
M
So
that's
where
the
money
doesn't
come
into
play
until
2019,
so
that
does
get
tricky,
but
as
far
as
the
contingency
I
don't
see
it
as
what
the
contingency
account
is
really
established
for,
of
course,
that's
kind
of
up
to
the
council.
If
they'd
want
to
use
it,
I
think
the
problem
would
be
the
crossover
of
years
and
the
dollars
I.
B
Development
company,
we're
the
major
sponsor
and
that's
a
natural
extension.
If
the
council
would
be
interested
and
I
know,
Chris
chickens
here,
he's
the
director
and
and
he's
you
know,
certainly
capable
of
providing
that
they
probably
need
more
staff.
But
you
know
we
have
options.
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
we're,
certainly
not
at
the
end
of
our
rope
with
downtown.
We
need
to
invest
in
downtown
and
we
need
to
sit
down
and
talk
about
how
we're
budgeting.
Our
money
and
I
intend
to
do
that.
B
Now
is
maybe
not
at
the
time,
but
it
isn't
a
done
deal.
It
isn't
like
downtown
is
lost
now
that
that
urban
renewal
tax
didn't
pass
that
wouldn't
have
been
enough
money
to
do
one
percent
of
what
we
want
to
do
downtown
so
that
that
was
not
the
intention
that
they
pay
for
everything.
So
we
can
still
move
forward
with
our
plans,
but
we
need
a
coordinator.
B
Anyone
else
have
any
old
business,
any
new
business.
We
do
not
have
a
need
to
go
into
executive
session.
So
our
motion
to
adjourn
will
by
Buehler
second
by
Solem
any
discussion
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
It
was
a
post
signify
by
saying
a
motion
carries
we'll
take
break
we'll
be
back
at
5:30
for
the
council
meeting.