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From YouTube: Public Works, Finance Meeting 11 18 2019
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Public Works / Finance / Safety Committee agenda for 11-18-19
A
Good
afternoon
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
Public,
Works,
Finance
and
Safety
Committee
meeting
of
Monday
November
18
2019.
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
motion
by
Bueller's
second,
by
l'olam
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
All
those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item
number
2
is
public
input.
This
is
a
time
set
aside
for
anybody
to
talk
about
whatever
they
want.
Does
anybody
here?
For
that
see?
No
one
will
move
on
item.
3
is
approval
of
the
agenda
motion
by
bill
Hauer?
B
A
C
If
you
remember
a
few
months
back,
we
entered
into
an
agreement
with
seh
engineering
consultants
to
help
us
kind
of
set
the
groundwork
and
do
some
exploratory
work
for
us
on
what
a
storm
water
utility
implemented
in
the
city
of
Watertown
might
look
like,
and
some
of
the
benefits
that
we
would
gain
from
that
and
in
regards
to
projecting
revenues
and
what
some
standardized
rates
are
they're
applied
throughout
the
region.
As
far
as
a
stormwater
utility
rate
to
be
assessed
to
the
community
to
step
back
a
little
bit
further.
C
Now
that
our
staff,
our
equipment,
all
the
things
that
are
under
the
general
fund
related
to
street
and
stormwater
maintenance.
Currently,
the
storm
water
utility
establishment
isn't
is
a
viable
option
that
several
communities
use
throughout
the
region
and
within
South
Dakota
as
well,
and
we've
got
some
specific
data
on
that
and
what
those
who
those
other
communities
are,
what
their
rates
look
like
and
we've
even
got
some
proposals
for
what
we
would
see
a
viable
option
of
implementing
as
a
rate
for
the
city
of
Watertown.
C
So
with
all
that
being
said,
I'd
like
to
introduce
Jeremy
walgrave
he's
the
licensed
engineer
with
seh
that
did
majority
of
the
workforce
on
this
study
and
he's
got
a
presentation
here.
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
details
and
feel
free
to
stop
any
time
during
this
presentation
of
Jeremy's,
and
we
can
help
answer
any
questions.
Anybody
might
have
all.
E
D
So
stormwater
management,
basically,
is
the
practice
of
dealing
with
all
this
runoff
to
to
mitigate
flooding,
issues,
flood
risks,
pollutant
loading,
things
like
that,
and
just
a
few
of
the
activities
that
you're
already
doing
that
manage
stormwater
are
street,
sweeping,
ditch
culvert
and
storms
who
are
cleaning
and
then
also
the
inspection
and
reporting
side
of
things.
So
again,
why
is
it
needed
again
as
your
city
grows
and
you
develop
and
and
add
heart
hard
surfaces?
D
Some
of
it
comes
from
the
general
fund.
Some
of
it
comes
out
of
the
capital
improvement
plan
and
then
again,
one
of
the
things
that's
notable
here
relevant
to
the
conversation
is
just
that
the
emergency
stormwater
management
activities
that
you
have
end
up
coming
out
of
these
different
funds
and
end
up
displacing
other
projects.
D
D
Some
of
the
guiding
principles
of
a
stormwater
utility-
again,
it's
a
user
fee.
So,
generally
speaking
the
more
you
use,
the
more
you
pay,
and
so,
when
you
start
looking
at
institutional,
industrial
and
commercial
type
properties,
they
tend
to
have
a
lot
higher
impervious
surface
and
they
tend
to
pay
more
when
it
comes
to
a
stormwater
utility
fee
and
again
this
is
similar
to
sanitary,
water
and
other
utilities.
Where
the
more
you
use
the
more
you
pay.
D
So
why
stormwater
utility
it's
it's
a
dependable,
dependable
fund
doesn't
compete
with
the
capital
improvement
plan
or
the
general
fund.
It's
consistent,
it's
a
separate
and
dedicated
fund
and
then
another
benefit
of
a
stormwater
utility
is
having
that
in
place,
can
actually
help
you
get
other
grant
funding
because
they
see
that
you
have
a
plan
in
place
and
again
it's
equitable.
So
all
the
developed
properties
pay.
D
So
this
is
just
kind
of
a
typical
breakdown
of
what
you
see
for
some
stormwater
management
costs
in
a
in
a
typical
city,
usually
about
70%
of
it
is
going
to
be
paying
for
equipment,
personnel,
actual
physical
maintenance
of
the
system
and
infrastructure.
And
then
a
little
smaller
piece
of
the
pie
is
some
of
the
planning
and
engineering
that
goes
into
the
different
pieces.
E
F
C
D
So
again,
how
will
the
funds
be
used?
Basically,
maintenance
of
your
existing
system,
best
practices
like
street
sweeping
and
catch
base
and
maintenance.
It
would
be
used
for
equipment
for
operations
and
maintenance
and
then
also
the
public
education
and
training
and
then
also
kind
of
those
emergency
situations
related
to
storm
water
and
flooding.
D
So
this
this
is
kind
of
an
example
and
and
feel
free
to
ask
questions
kind
of
a
confusing
slide.
If
you
don't
know
some
of
the
background,
but
basically
kind
of
the
way
we're
looking
at
this
is
that
residential
homeowners
would
just
have
a
flat
fee.
This
would
be
a
monthly
fee
of
three
dollars
a
month
this
isn't
set.
This
is
just
an
example,
but
basically
the
idea
is
that
residential
properties
are
just
gonna
have
the
same
fee.
D
It's
not
going
to
matter
how
large
the
lot
size
is,
but
that's
used
with
with
an
equation
to
basically
set
up
what
you
will
charge
these
different
type
properties.
So
again,
if
we
went
with
a
three
dollar
fee
for
residential
homeowners,
basically
the
way
it
would
shake
out
with
commercial,
institutional,
industrial
and
high-density
residential,
it
comes
out
to
a
per
acre
cost,
and
so
that's
what
you
see
here
and
again
there's
some
factors
that
you
don't
see:
they're
kind
of
behind
the
scenes,
but
just
just
looking
at
the
dollar
amounts.
D
G
Thank
you,
I
apologize
for
interrupting,
but
I
had
a
question
for
that.
While
it
was
while
you
were
talking
about
it,
so
residential
Lots,
regardless
of
size,
will
be
charged
the
same
amount,
that's
right!
Okay,
it
does
that.
Earlier
in
your
presentation,
you
said
that
one
of
the
things
I
was
attractive
about
a
stormwater
fee
was
that
it
was
basically
user
paid.
The
more
you
use
the
more
you
pay
doesn't
that
seem
to
contradict
that.
However,
that's.
D
It's
gonna,
be
a
little
bit
more
for
a
larger
property,
but
essentially
the
the
differences
and
the
amount
of
runoff
are
not
great
in
comparison
to
say,
a
Walmart
where
they've
got
80
percent
of
their
property
paved.
And
so
the
other
thing
and
the
other
thing
with
the
residential
properties
is
they.
The
charges
are
relatively
small
compared
when
you
start
comparing
to
the
other
properties,
and
it's
actually
a
way
of
simplifying
the
administrative
part
of
of
how
you
implement
the
ordinance
on
the
back
end,
meaning.
D
Then,
basically,
it's
set
up
so
that
residential
properties
get
straight
a
straight
fee
and
they
don't
have
any
kind
of
opportunity.
Excuse
me
opportunity
to
come
back
and
argue
that
they've
got
less
impervious
than
their
neighbor.
It's
certainly
debatable.
There
are
people,
there
are
cities
that
set
up
the
ordinance
differently
where
the
residential
properties
are
charged
by
square
footage.
D
But
again
what
I've
seen
on
the
back
end
with
that
is.
It
turns
into
kind
of
an
administrative
burden,
because
people
are
constant.
The
city
officials
are
constantly
having
to
go
and
remeasure
people's
property,
and
in
this
grand
scheme
of
things,
when
you
see
how
much
difference
it
makes
it's,
it's
a
very
small
amount.
C
And
just
to
piggyback
on
that,
councilman
Helene
and
I
forgot
to
acknowledge
these
other
folks
that
worked
on
this.
What
I'd
call
a
subcommittee
for
this
project
here
internally?
As
far
as
internal
city
staff,
the
city
attorney
the
finance
officer,
the
mayor
myself,
the
street
superintendent
and
the
assistant
city
engineer:
I
worked
with
Jeremy
on
some
of
these
discussions,
and
this
was
one
that
we
talked
through
Lee
about
as
far
as
the
level
of
detail
to
get
into
when
establishing
a
stormwater
utility.
C
One
of
the
messages
we
gave
our
consultant
was
to
try
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible
from
an
administrative
standpoint,
but
also
make
sure
that
it
made
sense
to
on
an
equity,
equity,
equitability
standpoint.
As
far
as
what
you
just
pointed
out,
so
based
on
the
findings
of
the
consultant
and
in
what
Jeremy
just
described,
we
felt
that
the
administrative
burden
that
could
it
could
grow
into
if
we
were
to
have
a
per
impervious
square
foot
on
a
residential
lot
basis
on
an
annual
basis.
C
C
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Actually
that's
one
of
the
good
I'm,
very
glad
that
you
guys
had
talked
about
that.
So
your
assessment,
I,
was
kind
of
thinking.
The
same
thing.
Your
idea
that
possibly
the
rate
would
go
from
3.3
dollars
down
to
like
$2
79
cents
and
maybe
like
a
really
large
residential
lot,
might
go
from
$3
for,
like
$3
30
cents,
something
like
that.
G
What
what
are
those
like,
realistic
expectations,
we're
not
just
throwing
ideas
up
in
the
air
cuz
I
I
can
imagine
getting
questions
from
people
out
in
the
community,
because
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
a
difference
between
some
of
these
very
large
houses
in
town
and
some
of
the
smaller
houses.
So
I
guess
I
think
it
would
behoove
all
of
us
to
know
this
ahead
of
time,
so
it
yeah.
G
C
C
Think
the
overarching
aspect
of
it,
too,
is
how
proficient
do
we
want
to
be
with
the
current
staff
loads
that
we
have
right
now
in
administering
this,
if
we
were
to
adopt
this
and
I
think
that
that's
a
big
component
in
my
mind
administratively,
if
we
went
to
the
more
detailed
level
that
some
communities
do
and
frankly
some
communities
have
done
that
and
reverted
back
to
the
simple
level.
Just
because
of
the
fact
they
realized
what
an
administrative
burden
it
became
after
they
implemented
it.
So
we
wanted
to
be
sensitive
to
that
as
well.
A
E
Guess
questions
administrative
Lee,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
the
question
for
you
or
for
Matt
that
this
would
actually
be
an
ordinance
that
we
would
be
adopting
correct
now
with
the
rates
then
be
spelled
out
in
the
ordinance
and
if
and
if
so
I
mean
I'm,
seeing
some
nodding
of
yes,
I
mean
but
I
mean
these
rates
aren't
necessarily
permanent,
either
they're
gonna,
flexural
and
they're
gonna
change
from
year
to
year.
Right
so
that
mean
we'd
have
a
an
ordinance
revision
or
amendment
periodically
or
oh
I.
H
F
Just
to
the
administrator,
like
I,
just
have
curious
as
to
what
additional
administration
efforts
would
be
involved
with
having
it
to
do
this.
You
know
the
cost
of
that,
and
also
mayor
and
I
know,
we've
talked
about
this,
but
what
would
we
expect
our
total
revenue
annual
revenue
to
be
from
this?
That's.
F
D
I
Don't
know
if
we've
really
got
into
the
detail
of
yet
the
billing
process
how
we
would
handle
that,
of
course
we
do
have
municipal
utilities
currently
does
the
solid
waste
and
the
sewer
billing
so
I
think
there's
still
some
conversations
to
be
had
with
the
utilities.
As
regards
to
that,
I
would
say:
a
majority
of
the
data
is
already
in
the
system
because
we
already
have
property
owners
and
so
I
think
the
front
end
I.
Think
anytime,
there's
a
change
if
it's
a
fee
change
or
a
rate
change,
that's
not
where
it's
gonna
be
significant.
D
And
then,
just
round
that
out,
the
other
administrative
fees
are
gonna,
be
if
there
are
appeals
and
again
the
way
it's
set
up
right
now.
The
residential
properties
wouldn't
haven't
an
opportunity
to
appeal:
it's
just
a
straight
fee
for
everybody,
commercial,
institutional,
the
other
type
lands
land
uses.
If
they
felt
that
the
the
area
or
the
acreage
of
their
property
was
incorrect,
they
could
appeal
that
to
have
a
remeasure
of
their
property.
D
There
is
a
huge
administrative
burden
cuz
because,
like
Heath
was
saying
what
you'll
have
is
people
showing
up
saying
I
tore
out
a
sidewalk
panel?
You
need
to
remeasure
and
it's
it
will
in
terms
of
the
dollar
amount
they're
getting
charged,
it's
minuscule,
but
it
cost
somebody
time
to
go
out
and
look
at
it.
Your
second
question
was
about
revenue
generation
and
what
we've
estimated
right
now,
if,
if
you
want
with
that
three
dollar
fee,
you
could
generate
around
$800,000
a
year.
C
F
C
In
the
CIP,
for
example,
we
have
roughly
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
stormwater
related
improvements
in
the
2019
CIP.
Now,
I'll
also
note
that
at
least
$200,000
of
those
improvements
we
had
to
pull
and
use
that
money
on
street
improvements,
because
our
street
bids
were
coming
in
high,
so
the
Robie
Creek
drainage
improvements,
for
example.
We
had
to
cancel
that
project
completely
from
2019,
so
this
your
CIP,
roughly
600,000,
we
also
have
a
the
Water
Resources
budget.
C
That
is,
is
really
the
education,
the
community
education
component
of
our
stormwater
program
for
the
city
of
Watertown.
Now
that's
not
a
huge
budget,
but
it
is
definitely
one
that
could
benefit
from
using
these
funds.
That's
about
a
forty
to
sixty
thousand
dollar
a
year,
responsibility
that
the
city
has
some
of
those
costs
go
towards
our
USGS
River
gauging,
for
example,
a
lot
of
these
cost
goes
towards
our
wendel.
The
raindrop
public
education
outreach
that
we
do
on
stormwater
impacts
and
things
of
that
nature.
C
Another
big
component
that
I
that
I,
quick
extracted
at
a
20-19
budget
was
for
them
from
the
wastewater
collections
and
street
equipment
budgets.
For
example,
we
purchased
a
new
jet
or
and
I
think
that
depends
on
the
type
of
equipment
that
we're
getting
whether
it's
a
trailer
mounted
jeder
or
a
full
vector
truck.
That
equipment
is
shared
between
wastewater
division
and
the
stormwater
function
of
the
city,
and
those
pieces
of
equipment
can
range
anywhere
from
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
up
to
over
half
a
million
dollars
depending
on
what
they
are.
C
C
You
had
those
three
groups
up
that
all
partner
on
annual
stormwater
maintenance
and
you're
sitting
on
roughly
two
million
dollars
total.
Now,
if
we
take
a
conservative
number
by
conservative
I
mean
low
a
low
estimate
of
the
amount
of
time
we
spend
on
storm
water
related
issues.
You
figure,
maybe
an
eighth
of
that
two
million
dollars
is
spent
on
storm
water
and
again
I'll
see
us
probably
on
the
low
end
and
there
you're
sitting
at
about
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
annual
salaries,
that
this
could
help
fund.
C
So
we're
sitting
with
a
list
of
about
50
problem
areas
that
they
clear
back
to
2007
yeah
all
the
way
up
through
current
to
this
year,
and
so
those
are
the
kind
of
projects
to
that
this
fund
would
help
accomplish
and
and
complete
as
well.
So
I
figured
I'd
wrap
all
in
with
that
budgetary
discussion
on
the
amount
of
revenue
at
$3
for
residential
lots
about
$800,000.
If
we
drop
that
to
$2
you're
about
$500,000
and
either
one
would
go
a
long
way
and
help
accomplishing
some
of
these
costs.
That.
F
D
G
C
Well,
from
a
road
standpoint,
you
know
that
the
most
applicable
infrastructure
that
is
directly
related
to
our
roads
that
relates
to
stormwater
would
be
our
curb
and
gutter
and
our
drop
inlets
to
the
storm
sewer
system,
so
maintenance
on
those
components
can't
be
covered
by
this
utility
fee,
and
you
know,
I,
haven't
I,
haven't
laid
out
a
trajectory
of
the
projects
that
would
use
this
money
to
get
spent
on.
You
know,
but
there's
components
to
this:
the
ability
of
having
these
funds
that
would
affect
our
roads
indirectly.
G
C
Absolutely
staffing
and
resources,
whether
it
be
personnel
or
equipment,
are
all
applicable
benefits
for
this
utility
to
go
towards
again.
I
want
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
proposing
that
we
hire
new
staff
with
this
money,
I'm
not
proposing
that
we
buy
six
new
pieces
of
equipment
with
this
money
right
now
today,
but
rather
wanted
to
lay
out
some
of
the
real
costs
that
we
had
in
our
current
year's
budget.
That
could
have
benefited
by
having
a
utility
like
this
in
place.
J
For
clarity,
so
if
we
were
to
implement
this
fund,
this
does
and
I
know.
This
is
college
he
asked
before,
but
I
just
really
wanted
super
clear.
So
if
we
applied
this,
it
would
open
up
potential
funds
that
we
could
actually
apply
more
towards
the
road,
because
if
it's
coming
out
of
capital
gains
and
stuff,
then
those
funds
now
become
available
for
other
projects
that
we
could
maybe
address.
Some
of
these
things
correct
that.
C
C
Maybe
you
want
to
split
that
50/50
half
of
it
towards
operations,
half
of
it
towards
capital,
but
that'd,
be
up
to
the
council.
We
could
designate
that
shift
that
percentage
any
which
way
you'd
like
if
you
wanted
more
of
that
towards
capital
and
help
realize
some
reduce
stress
on
the
capital
side
to
put
more
money
into
the
street
improvements.
That's
definitely
a
viable
option.
If
you
want
to
realize
more
benefit
on
the
general
fund
side,
however,
you'd
want
to
keep
that
checks
and
balances
in
mind.
Knowing
currently,
where
general
fund
sits.
Today,.
K
Comments
are
along
those
lines
where
I
think
we
could
lever
this
based
on
where
it's
needed
most,
but
the
analogy
I
use
is
statewide
nationwide.
We've
got
all
these
bridges,
it's
aging
infrastructure
this
coming
due
and
we
don't
have
any
fund
in
place
to
address
them
and
we're
trying
to
fissure
that
up
on
a
state
and
a
nationwide
basis.
But
we
have
aging
infrastructure
here
too,
and
I
and
I
like
it.
The
fact
that
the
fee
is
it
is
directly
tied
to
where
it's
gonna
go,
because
we
do
have
an
aging
infrastructure
right.
B
K
D
Good
good
question
so
so,
typically,
if
that
would
be
considered
a
multi
or
a
high
density
residential,
that
one
actually
does
get
a
fee
based
on
the
impervious
and
typically
what
happens?
Is
you
one
person
or
a
couple
people
on
that
building
so
they're
the
ones
that
actually
get
the
they
get
charged
the
fee?
It's
up
to
them,
to
distribute
it
amongst
the
apartments.
C
I
could
expand
on
councilman
Albertsons
question
to
the
utility
billing
component
of
this
is
something
as
Kristen
indicated,
that
we
need
to
continue
to
talk
through
I've
had
some
very
preliminary
discussions
with
our
sister
agency
over
at
Watertown
municipal
utilities
and
some
of
the
staff
over
there,
but
I
do
need
to
have.
We
need
to
have
further
conversations
with
the
manager
over
at
utilities
and
bring
them
fully
on
board
with
what
our
vision
is
to
roll
this
out
as
part
of
the
utility
bill.
E
C
Do
have
another
follow-up
meeting
scheduled
with
utilities
as
far
as
implementing
on
the
utility
bill,
and
that
is
on
December,
2nd,
I
believe
and
that's
one
of
the
next
critical
steps.
Is
the
council
we're
amicable
to
want
to
proceed
that
way?
The
reason
I'm
should
probably
clarify
here.
We
we,
as
a
city,
have
another
option
to
assess
this
fee
on
the
annual
tax
base
for
the
properties
that
this
fee
would
be
going
towards.
C
To
me,
it
helps
provide
the
clearest
vision
to
the
community
of
what
this
is,
why
we're
doing
it
where
their
money
is
going
and-
and
it
might
make
most
sense
to
them
by
doing
it
that
way
now
I'll
further
expand
to
the
the
communities
in
the
region.
When
you
look
at
it
regionally,
it's
overwhelmingly
assessed
monthly
on
the
utility
bills.
If
you
look
into
Minnesota
North
Dakota
Iowa,
West
Montana,
it's
overwhelmingly
assessed
on
the
monthly
utility
bill.
E
Just
I
know
our
colleagues,
the
utilities
we
prefer
the
requirement
on
the
tax
rolls,
but
I
think
to
just
makes
an
awful
lot
more
sense
to
collect
as
part
of
our
monthly
utility
bill
versus
you
know,
dealing
with
it
by
the
tax
assessment
role
and
but
anyway
it
so
is
Jeremy,
as
your
work
then,
and
over
the
seh
is
work.
Is
that
about
done
then
so
the
ball's
solely
and
in
the
city's
court?
Then
on
this
we.
F
D
F
I
I
think,
whatever
the
ordinance
establishes
that
we
all
agree
it
can
be
used
for
a
fund
will
be
established.
So
then,
during
each
budget
process,
the
items
such
as,
if
there's
a
certain
amount
of
personnel,
we
know,
would
go
toward
it
equipment
or
projects.
We
would
budget
those
in
that
fund
and
in
turn,
that
revenue
would
specifically
go
into
that
fund.
So
it's
kind
of
almost
like
its
own
enterprise
fund
a
little
bit
the
same
way
that
the
sewer
fund
and
the
solid
waste
are
so
the
ordinance
would
establish.
A
A
Sweeper
is
not
just
a
drainage
tool,
it
cleans
the
road
and
you
know
it
protects
the
water
quality,
but
it
also
has
an
aesthetic
purpose,
and
so
what
percent
of
that
should
we
charge
to
a
stormwater
utility?
You
know
we,
we
have
some
leeway
there.
Some
things
are
obviously
catch
basin
is
a
stormwater
feature,
but
it's
on
a
street
project.
A
So
you
know
it's
there's
a
lot
of
gray
area,
much
more
so
with
a
stormwater
utility
than
there
would
for
a
sewer
utility,
for
instance,
is
that
nothing
on
the
road
should
go
into
the
sanitary
sewer.
Everything
on
the
road
goes
into
the
storm
sewer
or
any
reasons
that
you
got
to
do
other
things
to
protect
that.
So
we
we
have
a
lot
of
leeway
and
how
we
can
write
that
ordinance.
G
Thank
You
mayor
gentlemen,
earlier
on
in
your
presentation,
you
mentioned
that
having
this
would
help
obtain
some
grant
funding.
I
was
sorry
to
shift
topics,
but
I
wanted
to
know
what
are
these
grants?
How
much
money
are
we
talking
about?
Where
does
the
money
come
from
and
what
would
our
realistic
expectations
be
of
actually
getting
them?
I.
D
Don't
have
any
specifics
for
you
on
grant
programs
or
funding
amounts.
It
was
more
of
a
general
statement,
though,
that,
typically,
when
you
have
a
plan-
or
you
have
a
fund
like
this,
it
shows
that
the
I
guess
a
higher
level.
Thinking
on
the
part
of
the
city
that
we,
we
have
stormwater,
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
We've
dedicated
a
fund
and
and
a
lot
of
the
grants
that
I
have
read
through,
will
ask
specific
questions
like
that
and
then
within
the
grant,
ranking
criteria.
C
E
Mind
seeing
that
at
the
same
time,
if
you
can
continue
to
work
out
the
the
details
or
the
administrative
part
of
it,
with
the
utilities,
internally
etc,
I'd
like
to
keep
the
keep
us
moving
forward
on
this,
and
you
know
it's
not.
You
know
the
public
I,
often
on
the
last
several
months,
and
now
it
is
again
tonight
that
let's,
let's
keep
moving
forward
and
and
you
know
see
where
it
goes
absolutely.
K
H
F
A
H
F
H
G
You,
mayor
I
would
be
in
favor
of
moving
ahead
and
seeing
the
ordinance.
My
question
at
this
point
would
be
not
so
much
on
the
ordinance,
but
perhaps
on
the
resolution
setting
the
fee,
because
if
we
are
going
to
talk
about
raising
revenue,
whether
you
call
it
a
tax
or
utility,
this
is
what
we're
doing
and
now
when
he
said
that
he
can
kind
of
point
to
$600,000
in
the
general
fund
that
was
set
aside.
That
would
be
covered
in
this
one,
but
this
would
raise.
G
A
G
I
understand,
but
he
himself
said
that
that
was
more
of
a
nebulous
cost
and
you
know
with
you
know,
not
hard
numbers.
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know
for
sure
why
we
set
that
number
where
it
is
and
I
mean
if
you
want,
if
you
were
going
to
argue
that
it
amounts
to
well
over
a
million,
then
why
aren't
we
taxing
well
over
a
million
well.
A
For
one
thing
we
don't
want
to
shock
people
with
money,
they
haven't
budgeted
and
I
mean
people
have
tight
budgets
and
$3
a
month
doesn't
seem
like
much,
but
if,
if
you're
living
month
a
month,
another
three
bucks
can
be
significant
and
so
I
mean
I.
I.
Think
we
want
to
be
mindful
of
that,
even
though
it's
small
it
can
be
significant
and
we
don't
want
to
overwhelm
people
Kristen.
A
I
We
do
know
that
we
see
fluctuations
in
our
budgets
whether
we
have
a
really
heavy
year
for
expenditures
or
a
lower
year,
so
any
revenue
that
would
come
in
if
it
did
exceed
for
say
one
years
planned
that
those
dollars
would
still
be
in
that
fund,
so
they
would
just
kind
of
accumulate.
So
then,
if
the
next
year,
because
of
weather
projects,
timing
staffing,
however
it
may
be
your
next
year,
was
above
what
you
anticipated.
You
know
you'd
still
want
to
balance
yourself
within
whatever
was
not
spent
in
a
previous
year.
E
E
Gonna
change
counts,
gonna
change,
I,
don't
want
us
to
be
accused
of
building
up
this
fund
and
all
of
a
sudden
using
for
something
that's
that
it's
not
designated
or
supposed
to
be
used
for,
because
now
we've
created
ourselves,
something
that
is
it's
now
or
attending
today.
I
think
we
all
understand
today
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
but,
as
time
goes
by,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
still
using
it
for
legitimate
purposes.
D
A
C
The
Rob
will
be
a
Street
superintendent,
Rob
Bane
and
can
come
and
join
me
up
here,
he'll
be
providing
some
snow
gate
information
to
the
council
this
evening.
This
is
a
obviously
we're
getting
right
into
the
midst
of
snow
season
here.
So
it's
a
fairly
tight,
fairly
timely
discussion
to
be
having
and
we're
fortunate
to
have
had
the
time
and
the
lack
of
snow
recently
to
put
this
together
due
to
the
busy
season
we've
had
this
year.
We
apologize
for
the
tardiness
of
this.
C
We
could
have
brought
it
to
you
a
couple
months
ago,
but
Rob
has
done
a
great
job
at
cranking.
This
information
on
assembling
this
data
and
sharing
it
with
you
here
tonight
ahead
of
the
brunt
of
the
snow
season.
That's
yet
to
come.
So
with
that
I'll
pass
it
over
to
rob
and
we'll
talk
through
this
together,
Thank.
M
You
Heath
and
Mayor
yeah,
basically,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
snow
gates
a
little
bit
just
to
inform
you
and
the
public
about
the
gates.
There's
a
lot
of
questions
that
come
up
each
year
about
the
gates,
and
hopefully
this
will
help
a
little
bit
all
right,
snow
gate.
Information.
Always
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
to
inform
you
of
how
snow
Gates
function,
as
well
as
the
pros
and
the
cons
of
their
use.
The
following
will
provide
information
of
our
intended
use
of
snow
gates
for
19
and
20
snow
season.
M
Basically,
you
know
a
lot
of
people,
don't
know
what
what
is
snow
gate
even
is
and
what
you
know.
Basically,
our
motor
graders.
We
have
three
of
them
and
they're
suited.
There's
six
wheel,
drive,
blades
and
they're
suited
with
the
snow
gate
on
the
outside
there.
You
can
see
that
the
next
picture
actually
shows
it
a
little
better,
the
snow
gate
that
goes
up
and
down
and
contains
the
snow
past
driveways
in
the
moldboard
which
you'll
see
right
there.
The
arrow
shows
what
the
moldboard
is.
I
refer
to
the
moldboard,
a
lot
and
I.
M
M
This
is
a
short
video
I
want
to
show
you
guys.
Basically,
this
was
a
two
and
a
half
inch
snow
that
we
had
last
year
and
I
did
the
video
just
in
front
of
this
blade
to
show
just
kind
of
what
we're
collecting
and
how
the
snow
gates
work
now
you'll
see
in
this
video
our
operator
is
trying
to
stay
fairly
snug
to
the
existing
wind
row
and
it's
about
30
inches
tall.
M
The
wind
row
is
when,
when
your
snow
gating
the
further
away
from
the
wind
row,
the
existing
wind
row,
the
better
they
work,
but
it
also
narrows
the
road
up
quite
a
bit
more
and
you
can
narrow
road
up
easily
by
two
foot
on
a
snow
event.
If
you're
using
it
completely
properly,
we
do
try
to
keep
the
roads
as
white
as
possible,
but
here
we
go.
M
M
This
video,
as
you
can
see
you
know
we'll
cross
the
road
up
here.
He
got
in
actually
very
close.
He
should
have
actually
would
have
helped
to
move
off
more
but
yeah.
The
mailboxes
are
real,
close
he's
a
great
operator.
He
does
a
good
job,
I,
don't
think
he's
taking
out
too
many
metal
boxes.
Here's
the
roadies
cross
and
you'll
kind
of
see
some
trickle
out
of
the
front.
M
Now,
that's
just
with
a
two
and
a
half
inch
event
and
the
snow
you'll
see
it
kind
of
builds
up
towards
the
center
line
of
the
road
as
he
goes
along
like
I
say,
if
you
get
away
from
that
that
existing
snow
berm
it
evacuates
better,
but
it
also
narrows
up
the
road
a
lot,
so
it's
kind
of
you
know
figure
out
what
the
best
of
two
evils.
Okay,
this
is
just
some
of
the
pros
about
snow
gates,
some
gates
work
well
in
conditions
less
than
five
inches
of
snow
and
early
in
the
season.
M
They
work
really
well.
First
snow
event:
you
don't
have
any
existing
snow
berm
on
the
edge
of
the
road,
the
snow,
evacuates
well
and
they're
perfect
and
a
snow
first
snow
event.
Even
if
it's
a
higher
event,
they
work
pretty
well
and,
let's
see
that's
what
first
Tuesday
the
snow
gates
definitely
help
reduce
the
amount
of
snow
on
the
end
of
driveways.
M
You
can't
keep
all
this
not,
and
you
saw
in
that
video,
even
when
we
cross
the
the
driveways
that
were
clear,
there
was
still
snow
that
would
trickle
out
not
a
lot
in
that
case.
That
was
only
two
and
a
half
inches
of
snow.
It
did
a
pretty
good
job,
and
this
is
where
I
was
talking
about
the
one
or
two
foot
away
from
the
existing
wind
row.
The
gates
work
a
little
better
in
that
case,
but,
like
I
say
it
does
narrow
up
the
roads.
M
You
know
in
the
with
a
21-inch
moldboard
we
can
get
snow
about
a
windrow
about
30,
inches
tall
depends
on
the
speed
we're
going.
The
other
thing
with
the
heel
of
the
existing
snow
gait,
the
heel,
as
you
I,
actually
wanted
to
take
the
time
to
show
you
some
other
videos.
I,
don't
have
those
here
today,
but
the
he
love
the
snow
gait
does
prevent
some
of
the
snow
from
evacuating
it's
just
a
design
of
it,
and
it's
the
best
gait
that
we
have
found
in
Sioux
Falls
is
found
is
a
hankie
high
liftgate.
M
These
are
some
of
the
cons,
the
snow
gait.
The
cost
of
the
gate
itself
is
around
8,000
bucks.
It
requires
a
six
wheel,
drive
motor
greater
that
costs.
New
new
cost
today
is
about
three
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars:
snow
gates,
reduced,
stop
or
the
speed
of
plying
by
twenty
five
to
thirty
five
percent
or
two
to
three
miles
an
hour.
Yeah
Rob.
M
M
Actually,
I
do
have
it
up
here
and
I
think
we'll
get
to
that.
I
do
believe.
I
do
have
a
percentage
actually
I
do
have
in
this
presentation.
A
summary
Sioux
Falls
did
a
study
in
2011
on
snow
gates,
and
it's
really
good
information
and
it
it
fits
really
close
to
what
we're
finding
with
snow
gates
as
well,
but
they
do
talk
about
time
in
their
their
study
as
well.
M
Let's
see
the
let's
see
the
gates
yeah
twenty
five
to
thirty
five
percent
or
two
to
three
miles
an
hour.
They
are
hard
and
equipment.
If
you
saw
in
that
earlier
pitcher,
you
could
see
the
snow.
It
was
carrying
the
gate
there
designed
really
tough
but
during
wet
heavy
snow
that
we
try
to
move
with
them.
Sioux
Falls
has
more
of
issues
with
this,
and
we
haven't
had
had
issues
with
our
gates
bending
so
much
our
first
gate
did,
but
that
was
a
different
brand
of
gate.
M
It
was
a
cheaper
brand,
but
we
do
have
issues
with
cylinders
and
cylinders.
Breaking
we've
replaced
three
cylinders
so
far
at
$800
apiece,
let's
see
do
the
extra
weight
of
the
snow
gate.
The
the
cutting
edges
we're
faster
on
that
that
right-hand
side
of
the
machine
that
way
to
that
that
gate
is
quite
heavy,
and
so
when
we
have
the
the
blade
in
float,
which
is
basically
where
you
just
let
the
the
moldboard
float
with
the
road.
M
There's
more
wear
on
that
right
side
and
we
do
change
cutting
edges
out
quite
often
on
earth,
blades
with
gates
and
a
set
right
now
we're
paying
about
$200
a
set,
and
we
might
change
those
two
to
three
times
a
day
there.
In
applying
event,
there
is
higher
operator,
fatigue
and
you'll,
see
I
didn't
have
them
on
any
of
these
videos,
but
I
do
have
a
video,
several
videos,
GoPro
videos
of
the
operator
and
having
to
run
that
and
keep
his
eye
down
here
and
watching
the
driveways
and
try
not
to
hit
the
mailboxes.
M
You
saw
closely
comes
to
him.
You
know
and
he's
trying
not
to
tick
those
but
yet
still
get
the
snow
over.
As
far
as
you
can
and
evacuate
it
on
an
on
a
higher
snow,
he
would
have
to
stay
further
from
the
curb
on
a
two
and
a
half
inch
snow.
He
was
able
to
cheat
it
a
little
bit
and
push
it
into
the
the
window
a
bit.
M
Let's
see
yeah.
Actually
this
the
snow
gates
cause
more
narrow,
and
we
talked
about
that.
Basically,
two
to
three
foot
each
event.
On
the
higher
snow
events:
you
would
you
would
narrow
road
up
more
we've
had
issues
like
the
localized
flooding
in
the
spring,
these
snow
gates,
because
then
they're
up
the
roads.
You
cover
up
your
storm
drains
and
we
do
have
issues
we
had
and
you'll
see
later
in
my
presentation,
when
we
had
the
25
inches
of
snow
in
the
spring,
we
had
every
loader.
M
We
could
get
going
to
clean
storm
drains
in
town,
because
the
snow
is
melting
so
fast
and
we
had
a
lot
of
localized
flooding.
There
was
some
businesses
a
South
Broadway
and
about
eighth
Avenue.
There
was
a
business
where
the
water
was
running
right
in
their
floor.
It
was
just
coming
in
the
front
or-
and
we
could
not
get
to
the
drains
fast
enough
because
the
roads
were
narrow.
So
we
we
cleaned
I,
don't
know
how
many
drains
it
was,
but
it
was
a
lot
in
the
short
time.
M
So,
let's
see
snow
gates
do
not
function
well
in
over
five
inches
of
snow.
That's
you'll
see
that
pretty
much
in
every
community
that
that
has
gates
and
I
study
them
talked
about
them.
Five
inches
of
snow
is
really
really
the
number
that
yet
go
by.
Sometimes
you
depends
on
if
it's
wet
and
heavy
snow.
If
it's
fluffy
snow,
you
can
get
away
with
a
little
bit
more.
It
evacuate
some
board
better,
but
when
it's
wet
heavy
snow,
the
I'd
say
four
inches.
In
that
case,
citizens
misconceptions.
A
lot
of
people.
M
Think
a
snow
gate
is
a
cure-all.
It's
going
to
clean
the
snow
at
the
end
of
your
driver.
You
won't
get
any
snow,
that's
just
not
the
case
even
early
in
the
season
when
you
have
two
inches
of
snow
and
you
stay
away
from
the
existing
wind.
Roll
you'll
still
have
a
little
bit
trickle
out
and
some
of
the
gates
there's
a
rubber
edge
on
the
bottom.
M
Snow
snow
gates
do
require
four
man
teams
to
to
run
them
and
I'll
show
you
a
little
diagram.
I
did
here.
Next,
let's
see
okay
on
the
right
hand,
side
you'll
see.
Currently
this
is
a
layout
of
basically
what
it
would
look
like
when
we're
going
down
the
road
clear
with
motor
graders
the
lead
motor
grader,
we
run
a
motor
grader
in
the
lead,
no
matter
what,
because
we
want
to
get
the
most
down
pressure
and
scrape
the
road,
get
the
ice
off
the
road
and
a
hard
packed
snow.
M
By
the
time
you
get
to
the
end
of
a
wide
driveway,
you
have
so
much
snow
generally,
even
on
a
low
snow,
a
two-inch
to
three
inch
snow
that
usually
the
operator
has
to
put
the
gate
up
because
it's
billowing
around
the
ends
or
over
the
top
of
the
moldboard
which
defeats
the
purpose
of
plowing
the
road.
If
it's
going
over
the
top
of
the
moldboard,
you
know
we
want
to
get
the
road
clean,
but
we
do
have
issues
with
that.
M
These
snow
evacuation
areas,
basically
as
a
Boulevard
in
between
the
driveways
in
certain
areas
of
town,
where
you
might
have
three
driveways
along
a
black
and
their
narrow
old
driveways,
works
pretty
good
this
here.
It's
not
a
very
good
picture.
I
drew,
but
it's
a
it's
a
sander
truck,
so
we
generally
in
the
four-man
teams
like
this
with
the
snow
gate.
M
We
follow
with
a
sander
truck
full
of
sand
and
he
generally
is
only
sanding
following
in
sanding
and
then
last
we
have
a
wheel,
loader
picking
up
the
wind
rows
at
the
intersections
now
the
snow
gate
guy
with
snow
gate
does
put
his
snow
gate
down
at
the
intersections
and
he's
able
to
get
a
lot
of
it
across
on
lower
snows.
So
it
does
actually
speed
up
the
loader,
the
guy
in
the
loader.
He
might
only
have
to
make
one
or
two
passes
rather
than
three
or
four.
M
It
definitely
does
help,
and
my
operators
have
talked
to
me
about
that.
We're
in
situations
where
we're
going
along
the
highway
and
we
have
a
snow
gate
just
ahead
of
the
loaders.
He
can
actually
help
speed
up
the
process,
so
this
is
showing
a
basically
a
three-man
team
without
a
snow
gate.
If
we
don't
have
a
snow
gate,
we'd
still
run
the
blade
in
the
lead
he
scrapes
down,
then
a
plow
truck
would
run
along
the
curb
and
the
parking
Lane
and
sand.
M
C
Just
to
further
emphasize
that
point
on
the
difference
here,
as
Rob
indicated
on
the
right
side,
our
current
snow
gate
situation,
the
you
can
you
can
envision
how
that
that
snow
gate
blade
is.
It
has
to
pay
close
attention
to
those
driveways
and
the
snow
evacuation
area,
and
you
can
see
on
that
video
where
they're
always
lifting
that
up
as
soon
as
they
get
through
that
driveway,
because
sometimes
that
snow
evacuation
area
isn't
quite
wide
enough
to
completely
unload
that
mall
board.
C
So
that's
why
they
do
have
to
get
those
up
as
soon
as
they
can
and
why
we
have
this
additional
accumulation
in
front
of
mailboxes
which
the
streets
division
oftentimes
hears
about.
So
if
you
can
a
vision
that
gained
the
efficiencies
on
the
left
version
that
truck
mounted
plow
with
the
sander
they're
not
having
to
pay
attention
to
near
the
level
of
detail
and
logistics
as
the
snow
gate,
operators
are
and
therefore
their
speed
increases,
you're
running
a
three-man
crew
rather
than
a
four-man
crew.
We
have
efficiencies
gained
there
as
well.
C
M
A
C
M
Did
in
and
that's
a
good
point
Heath,
we
did
spend
some
time
quite
a
bit
of
time
last
year
in
between
snow
events,
widening
roads,
especially
at
schools.
We
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
with
areas
like
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
need
to
park
along
with
school
roads.
So
some
additional
facts
we've
been
running
a
snow
gate.
The
actual
first
time
we
used
a
snow
day
was
I
believe
it
was
January
so
or
so
of
15.
We
got
our
first
motor
grader,
which
it
Mike
purchased.
M
G
M
M
You
know
when
we
had
that
25
inches
of
snow,
the
roads
were
getting
narrowed
up
so
much.
We
had
issues
with
a
lot
of
storm
drain
and
so
with
localized
flooding,
because
of
that
current
gates
are
used
in
the
core
water
town.
If
we
decide
to
continue
and
using
them,
you
know
they
in
the
neighbor
in
all
the
neighborhoods.
It
would
further
reduce
efficiency
with
current
staff.
M
M
Here's
city
of
Sioux
Falls
the
implement
is
snow,
gate,
study
and
11.
The
goal
was
to
test
operational
time,
fuel
fuel
consumption
equipment,
maintenance,
cost
and
performance.
The
summary
of
the
results-
23
percent,
increase
in
time
to
clear
the
roadways
of
snow
when
using
snow
gates,
31
percent
increase
in
fuel
consumption
when
using
the
gates,
it
pulls
the
engines
down
when
you're
pulling
that
extra
snow,
rather
than
evacuating
it
out
of
the
board.
So
you're
pulling
those
engines
down,
they
had
repairs
and
maintenance
of
about
three
thousand
dollars,
and
that
was
on
two
two
gauge.
M
In
a
five
and
a
half
month
period,
annual
plowing
costs
they
determine
it
increased
by
33
percent,
and
that
includes
personnel,
rental
equipment
contractors
feel
small
gate,
replacement,
some
gate,
maintenance
and
install
and
removal
of
more
boards
and
gates.
These
gates
can
also
create
issues
with
mould
boards,
where,
if
you
have
an
older
motor
grader
that
doesn't
have
their
units
that
take
the
blow
out
of
the
the
moldboard.
M
M
We
did
there
too,
as
well
with
winding
streets
back
out
the
cost
average
only
$200
a
block
to
widen
the
streets
back
out
and
that
was
in
2011
snow
gates,
they
said,
are
not
as
effective
over
5
inches
of
snow
now,
I
know,
Sioux
Falls
has
tried
to
use
them
in
some
of
the
higher
snow
events.
I,
don't
know
that
their
success
is
as
great
I
can't
imagine
it's
much
different
than
ours.
M
If
any
I
already
told
you
wet
snow,
doesn't
clear
the
moldboard
all
the
time
yeah,
the
nuran
of
the
streets
causes
some
issues
with
parking
and
emergency
vehicles
being
able
to
get
through
that
sometimes
as
a
problem,
storm
drains
being
smart,
buried
in
snow
and,
of
course,
snow
in
front
of
hydrants
and
mailboxes
is
a
problem
so
winging
through
this.
This
season,
we're
looking
at
continuing.
What
you
see
in
red
is
what
we
will
use
snow
gates
on
this
season.
This
is
14th
Avenue
north.
This
is
highway
212.
M
On
the
west
side,
you
have
21st
Street
West
and
on
the
east
side
here
you
have
19th
Street
East,
that's
the
zone
that
will
continue
to
use
the
gauge
soon
and,
if
gates
have
over,
if
we
have
over
5
inches
of
snow
I.
Really
it's
the
same
as
last
season.
We
just
didn't
use
the
gates.
Unless
there
was
a
deal
where
we
could.
M
A
Right
any
questions:
I
I'm,
just
gonna,
summarize
real,
quick
for
what
I
think
I
heard
snow
gates
are
they're
expensive
to
own
they're
expensive
to
operate.
They
break
down
more.
They
cost
us
more
time
and
money
to
use
the
purpose.
The
reason
we
would
go
to
that
extra
expense
is
because,
when
we
use
them,
they
do
reduce
the
size
of
the
windrows
created
in
the
driveways.
Is
there
any
other
reason
we
would
want
to
buy
snow
gates?
You.
M
A
E
M
A
They
can
be
used
so
I'm
not
hearing
a
whole
lot
of
really
great
reasons
to
do
this.
I
know
we
we
purchased
the
snow
gates
in
2014
on
a
trial
basis
just
to
see
if
they
were
worth
it
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
they're
not
if
we
I
mean
it
wasn't
our
intention
to
just
do
part
of
the
town
with
snow
gates.
We
are
either
gonna
use,
snow
gates
everywhere
or
we're
not
gonna
use
snow
gates,
but
we
didn't
want
to
make
that
big
investment.
M
C
M
C
If
it's
that
everybody
in
town
starts
to
have
a
snow
gate
used
in
their
neighborhood,
it's
going
to
dramatically
affect
the
efficiencies
to
clear
the
entire
town
from
start
to
finish
and
I.
Think
that's
what
Rob's
information
here
was
trying
to
share
tonight
and
to
put
it
in
further
context,
as
Rob
showed
on
one
of
his
last
slides
his
him
and
his
crews
are
completely
set
up
and
and
and
planning
to
move
forward
with
using
them
again
this
winter.
C
But
I
can
also
tell
you,
tongue-in-cheek,
if
you,
as
a
council,
told
him
tonight,
don't
worry
about
it.
Go
without
them
run,
run
three-man
crews
and
gain
some
efficiencies.
He's
also
prepared
to
do
that
as
well,
but
that's
not
necessarily
a
decision
we
were
looking
for
tonight,
but
it
is
definitely
something
we
wanted
to
start
painting
a
picture
for
and
helping
you
guys
understand
and
we
could
further
assess
as
we
move
into
the
winter
councilman.
F
I
just
want
to
point
one
other
thing
out
to
maybe
our
listeners
a
little
bit
there.
There
gets
to
be
a
little
bit
of
dissent
for
the
outlying
areas.
You
know
where
we
do,
where
we
have
contractors
that
that
maybe
don't
have
a
six
wheel
equipment
to
run
these
things,
and
so
that
I've
had
I,
don't
know
about
you
folks,
but
I've
had
a
lot
of
people
complain
about
where
in
the
hell's
my
snow
gate
you
know.
So
just
that's.
F
F
M
M
F
J
If
we
really
wanted
to
do
that,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
really
don't
see
the
pros
on
this
and
I
did
notice
last
winter,
that
there
were
parts
of
town
that
took
forever
to
get
plowed
like
you
could
just
feel
it
I
mean
even
our
downtown
was
completely
shut
down
for
a
good
long
while
and
then
even
down
by
second
Avenue.
We
were
one
of
the
last
spots
to
get
hit
and
growing
up
in
the
community.
J
I
always
was
proud
and
would
tell
people
in
the
south
leg
when
I
lived
in
Kansas,
City
and
stuff
like
oh,
you
guys,
don't
even
know
how
to
handle
snow.
We
just
were
pros
at
it,
and
then
this
was
the
first
year.
I
noticed
that
we
were
a
little
pokey
to
get
some
roads
cleared.
So
maybe
it
is
a
serious
discussion
that
we
have
to
have
of.
Is
this
really
worth
spending
so
much
money
on
for
a
small
convenience
for.
J
Community
portion
of
the
community,
whereas
you
know,
if
you're
from
the
north,
you
probably
know
how
to
just
plow
or
shovel
the
end
of
your
driveway
too,
but
something
to
consider,
because
if
there's
a
big
price
tag
on
that
and
it's
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear
on
the
equipment
and
these
trucks
aren't
cheap.
And
then
we
can
essentially
cut
the
cost
in
half
acquiring
new
trucks
that
can
plow
at
a
higher
level
and
keep
our
drains
clear.
Right.
I
J
E
We're
running
short
on
time
Rob,
you
said
you're
committed
to
you
them
for
this
upcoming
season.
I'd
like
to
continue
this
discussion,
I'm
not
sold
on
them,
I
never
have
been
and
our
part
of
town
they
have
mean.
You
have
aren't
you
available
anyway,
but
I
really
like
to
continue
the
discussion
at
you
know.
Maybe
the
next
meeting
your
next
committee
meeting,
because
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
hard
look
at
whether
we
continue
using
these
yeah.
M
K
M
Mileage
on
our
street
center
lines,
our
engineering
staff
he's
engineering
staff
and
one
of
my
people
helped
to
find
out
how
many
miles
of
roadways
we
have.
But
we
have
400
I,
believe
it's
450,
one
mile
center
line,
my
or
I'm
sorry
Lane
miles,
and
that
equates
to
202
centreline
miles
that
we
maintain
and
tell
him
so.
K
A
C
If
I
could
add
one
level
of
detail
regarding
the
equipment,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
continue
the
discussion,
because
we
have
slated
in
2020
s
budget
to
buy
another
six
wheel,
road
grader
with
a
snow
gate
on
it
and
obviously
by
all
means.
If
we
decide
to
the
contrary,
we
wouldn't
want
to
go
down
that
path.
Come
2020
s
budget,
so
I
think
it'd
be
a
timely
to
have
the
discussion
continuum
at
the
next
meeting.
Right.
C
E
Question
I
heard
this:
it
was
addressed
to
me
just
in
passing
at
noon
day.
We
didn't
have
a
chance
to
follow
up
with
the
conversation.
Do
we
have
any
issues
with
with
blockage
on
with
the
river
onto
the
212
bridge,
because
let
me
report
them
this
month.
There
was
blockage
with
the
road
concern
ooh
bridge
construction.
Are
you
aware
of
anything
mayor
well.
A
N
N
Yes,
they
had
to
build
the
dam
in
the
where's,
her,
not
the
we're
sorry,
but
for
the
piers
they
put
sheet
piling
in
as
well
I.
Don't
think
that
did
anything
for
the
flow.
It's
still
a
lot
of
water
to
flow
past
it
it's
kind
of
like
when
you
put
your
finger
over
a
garden
hose
the
same
amount
of
water
is
going
through
there.
It
just
may
increase
the
flow
just
a
little
bit.
N
A
Backup
for
the
sewer
construction
temporarily
so
and
there's
a
backwater
effect
for
a
short
distance,
but
I
know
people
have
asked.
If
that's
why
the
lake
isn't
draining.
No,
it's
not
why
the
lake
isn't
draining
any
other
old
or
new
business.
We
do
have
a
reason
to
go
into
executive
session
tonight
in
accordance
with
SDC
l1
25.
A
In
order
to
discuss
contract
and
economic
developments
with
our
attorney
and
I,
don't
know:
if
should
we
postpone
it?
What
are
you
thinking?
We
should
postpone
it.
Yeah
I
know
we'd
have
to
delay
our
counsel
mean
start,
so
we
will
have
executive
session,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
postpone
that
until
after
our
very
short
council
meeting.
Luckily,
the
agenda
is
smallest
I
think
it's
ever
been
since
I've
been
there.
So
we
we
do
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
a
motion
by
bill
hour
and
a
second,
my
l'olam,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.