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City Council Meeting 08-1-2022
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A
Quorum
is
established
with
that.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
tonight's
consent
agenda
motion
made
by
councilman
buehler
seconded
by
councilman
paulson.
Okay,
any
conversation
on
that
hearing.
None.
The
motion
is
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
saying
motion
carries.
A
I
will
close
the
public
comments
open
it
up
for
a
motion
to
approve
tonight's
agenda
with
one
slight
change.
We
are
removing
item
d.
We
are
removing
item
d.
So
with
that
revision,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
tonight's
agenda
motion
made
by
villa
councilman,
vilhauer
seconded
by
councilman
buehler.
Any
conversation
on
that
hearing
none
motion
is
to
approve
the
agenda.
I
I
The
first
step
in
that
process
was
the
resolution
of
necessity
that
again,
we
performed
several
months
back
before
the
construction
of
the
project,
where
we
provide
notice
of
the
necessity
for
the
improvements
which
would
be
the
sidewalk
installation
on
properties
that
didn't
have
sidewalk
and
sidewalk
repair
on
properties
where
their
sidewalk
existed
but
did
not
meet
our
ada
compliance
requirements.
There
were
trip
hazards,
sections
missing
things
of
that
nature.
That
needed
to
be
corrected.
I
I
And
the
the
other
component
of
this,
as
I
mentioned
before,
were
the
sanitary
sewer
service
lines.
We
did
sewer
main
work
on
some
areas
under
10th,
where
we
needed
to
do
a
couple
of
minor
sewer,
main
extensions
and
that
we
covered
under
the
project
as
a
city
cost.
However,
the
the
service
line
work
where
a
homeowners
service
line
needed
to
be
replaced
that
is
what's
being
assessed
here
tonight
was
also
part
of
that
resolution
of
necessity.
Some
time
back.
I
So
it's
a
combination
of
those
two
items,
the
the
sidewalk
and
the
sewer
service
lines
as
applicable
to
each
property
owner
along
tenth
and
again.
This
is
the
last
step
that
would
file
those
assessments,
those
final
costs
to
the
property
owners
for
their
reimbursement
for
those
costs
through
the
tax
tax
assessment
process
with
the
county.
A
K
It
took
a
year
to
get
this
bill
and
and
then
the
cost
was
different
and
the
city
paid
less
than
I
do.
There's
nothing
done
in
my
yard
or
under
my
house.
It
was
straight
from
the
boulevard
it's
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
street,
and
I
believe
I
pay
taxes
for
that
and
I
am
a
single
income
house
owner
on
a
very
tight
budget.
F
K
L
A
E
Winnie
and
lance
from
my
place,
they
had
to
extend
the
sewer
because
of
the
problem.
It
came
to
a
dead,
an
end,
if
I'm
correct,
so
they
had
to
bring
it
forward
anyway,
because
it
isn't
where
it
was
at.
It
had
four
different
houses
trying
to
use
the
same
spot,
so
they
said
in
order
to
do
that.
They'll
have
to
go
individually
and
bring
that
forward
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
backup
in
their
houses
anymore.
E
Mine
never
got
backed
up,
but
the
rest
of
them
did
so.
I
don't
think
that
that's
right
to
have
to
pay
that
plus,
like
she
said
I'm
on
social
security.
My
budget
is
is
right
there,
it
ain't
going!
No
more,
so
I
I
would
appreciate,
if
you
guys
would
think
about
that
when
you
got
people,
probably
all
along
that
area,
that's
having
a
problem
with
making
ends
meet
as
it
is.
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A
All
right
and
that
mirror
is
a
question
so
just
for
the
public
to
know
councilman,
danforth
and
councilman
shutty
are
both
online,
but
I
have
told
them
they
can
contact
me
via
the
computer
or
via
my
phone.
Councilman
danforth
has
asked
a
question
and
he
was
wondering
other
than
the
people
who
came
publicly
to
testify
on
this.
If
there
were
any
other
objections
raised.
So
I
guess
I
would
ask
that
to
piggyback
off
of
councilman
paulson's
question
and
let's
make
that
question
number
one
to
our
staff.
A
I
J
Yes,
I
did
have
a
couple
people
reach
out
to
me
directly
jody
reached
out
to
me
directly
as
well
as
juanita,
who
are
here
tonight,
but
as
councilman
paulson
said,
there
were
a
few
homeowners
kelly
schumacher,
who
is
actually
jeremy,
schumacher,
306
10th
avenue
they
reached
out
to
me
as
soon
as
they
received
the
letter.
She
was
quite
surprised.
J
They
again
noted
that
they
didn't
know
what
was
coming
and
it
was
so
delayed.
I
referred
to
she
mentioned
she
wouldn't
be
able
to
make
the
meeting
tonight.
So
I
referred
her
to
her
ward
councilmember,
who
is
colin
and
asked
her
to
pass
her
comments
onto
him
as
well
as
me,
so
that
we
both
could
talk
about
that.
I
have
had
a
few
other
individuals
that
said,
okay,
I
have
to
pay
it.
I
guess
not
pleased,
but
okay,
one
individual
said
he
still
had
issues
now.
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I
I
We
got
them
right
here
in
front
of
me.
One
two,
three
four
looks
like
a
dozen
or
so
along
this
route.
Maybe
a
little
more
that
had
sewer
service
line
issues.
Now
the
sewer
service
line
is
defined
as
the
sewer
pipe.
That
goes
from
the
house
out
to
the
city
street,
where
the
sewer
main
runs
and
the
city
owns
and
maintains
that
sewer
main
that
collects
all
the
residential
service
lines.
I
Some
of
the
homes
may
have
had
functioning
services,
but
what
we
found
was
several
of
them
are
shared
services,
so
you'd
have
a
chain
of
four
or
five
homes
that
were
all
running
together
in
one
service
line,
then
tying
into
the
city's
sewer
main,
and
when
we
have
situations
like
that,
there's
a
couple
issues,
one
it's
against
our
current
codes
today,
where
today's
codes
require
each
house
has
a
separate
service
line.
It
helps
prevent
issues
if
there
is
a
plug
in
the
line.
I
Drainage
issues
with
that
with
that
sewer
service
line,
where
it's
not
functioning
right,
helps
prevent
homeowners
from
having
to
figure
out
whose
problem
it
is
who's
paying
for
it.
It's
clear,
cut
and
dry
that
if
each
structure
has
its
own
sewer
service
they're
solely
responsible
for
it,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
that's
a
requirement
in
our
ordinances
today.
I
So
that's
another
reason
that
we
approached
these
property
owners
and
said:
while
we
have
this
road
open
up
and
reconstructing
it,
we
need
to
rebuild
your
service
line,
so
it
meets
today's
codes.
It
prevents
them
from
having
to
do
in
the
future
and
also
the
the
other
benefit.
If
you
will
of
doing
it
now
with
the
project,
it
also
prevents
that
homeowner
from
having
to
pay
for
the
street
costs
that
they'd
have
to
incur
if
they're
cutting
in
a
new
service
line
later
on.
I
Those
costs,
of
course,
were
born
with
board
of
the
project
and
paid
for
by
the
city,
but
we
just
strictly
assessed
the
sewer
costs
back
to
the
property
owner
the
explanation
on
why
that
service
line
is
paid
for
by
the
owner.
The
best
explanation
I
give
is
that's
currently
how
city
code
is
written.
Our
city
ordinances,
just
like
our
water
service
lines,
are
under
the
ownership
and
maintenance
of
the
homeowner
or
the
property
owner
from
their
house
or
their
structure.
Out
to
that
water
main
our
service
lines
are
the
same
thing
for
the
sewer
system.
I
It's
the
homeowner's
responsibility
for
ownership
and
maintenance
of
that
service
line
from
the
house
out
to
the
city's
sewer
main
and
so
similar
to
the
sidewalks,
where
ordinance
delegates
that
responsibility
to
the
property
owners
as
far
as
the
maintenance
and
replacement
of
sidewalks,
there
are
other
communities
that
do
it
101
different
ways.
It's
not
uncommon
to
see
it
done
like
this.
It
keeps
a
clear
line
of
delineation
on
who's,
maintaining
what,
when
it
comes
to
service
line,
work
and
sewer,
main
work
and
and
that's
how
our
ordinances
are
currently
set
up
today.
I
A
O
I
Yes,
councilman
tupper,
the
the
resolution
of
necessity,
which
is
again
the
first
step
in
the
state
statutes
that
were
required
to
follow,
requires
that
a
cost
is
included
in
that
resolution,
and
that
is
the
information.
That's
provided
each
of
the
landowners
that
are
being
assessed
at
the
kickoff
of
the
project.
O
I
And
for
the
most
part
councilman
that
information
was
in
hand
too.
So
we
knew
who
to
target
those
letters
towards
because
we
knew
that
we
had
a
handful
of
shared
service
lines
and
those
are
the
ones
that
we
again
tried
to
focus
that
information
to
to.
Let
them
know
on
a
cost
per
linear
foot
of
service
line.
O
I
C
I
I
guess
that
was
essentially
my
my
thank
you
essentially
my
question
too.
What
the
process
was,
because
I
know
we've
discussed
this
before
at
this
level.
I
guess
what
the
process
was
at
staff
level
as
far
as
communication
with
the
homeowners.
So
I
I
I
guess
you
know.
Maybe
it's
re
repeating
the
answer
to
councilman
tupper,
but
I
guess
I
would
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more.
What
what
the
step
was
from
you
know
throughout
the
process
to
keep
the
homeowners
in
the
loop
on
this.
I
You
want
to
answer
absolutely
councilman
bill
howard,
so
the
the
formal
steps
are
outlined
specifically
in
statute
and
and
that's
what
we
follow
so
that
resolution
of
necessity,
of
course,
being
step.
One
we
provide
a
letter
and
and
statute
allows
it
to
be
either
mailed
first
class
or
certified
mail.
So
we
followed,
you
know
those
options
there
and
mailed
them
first
class,
hindsight
being
2020
and
talking
with
staff.
Earlier
today.
I
I
think
we've
all
agreed
that
it
makes
more
sense
to
send
those
certified
and
that's
the
lessons
we've
learned
in
this
process
or
any
future
assessments,
I
believe,
we'll
be
sending
those
out
certified
just
to
ensure
everybody.
That's
getting
assessed,
has
a
signed
copy
or
verification
that
they've
received
that
letter,
but
they
those
notices,
go
out
along
with
the
public
hearing
notice
as
part
of
that
resolution
of
necessity
process.
I
We
see
where
the
numbers
all
balance
out,
because
again
state
statute
gives
us
that
flexibility,
we're
not
locked
into
that
initial
estimate,
but
can
amend
those
numbers
as
needed
to
make
sure
that
the
city's
made
whole
on
the
actual
costs.
And
so
construction
is
complete.
That's
exactly
what
our
consultant
did
with
staff
is
to
verify
the
actual
costs
for
the
sidewalk
and
for
the
sewer
service
lines.
I
And
then
we
compile
all
that
data
and
put
together
the
resolution
of
assessment
in
order
to
again
follow
statute
to
provide
the
information
subsequent
to
this
action
to
the
county.
And
once
that's
provided
the
county.
It
goes
on
the
the
homeowners
tax
roles
for
their
property
taxes
and
it
is
payable
over
a
10-year
span
and
I
believe
at
a
10
percent
rate,
kristin's
nodding
an
agreement
and
so
that
that
again
is
another
benefit.
I
In
some
cases
where
you
know,
it's
not
required
to
be
a
lump
sum
up
front
payment,
but
it
is
able
to
be
repaid
through
a
10-year
process
through
the
property
taxes
which
is
helpful
for
some.
But
I
understand
not
everybody
is
that
even
helpful
for
so
in
a
nutshell:
councilman
vilhar,
that's
the
process
that
we
follow.
J
You
paraphrased
it
well
enough,
but
I
do
want
to
add
that
we
also
had
emails
go
out
from
our
consultants
to
all
the
landowners
informing
them
of
different
things,
but
we
did
follow
the
state
statutes.
First,
we
also
had
some
verbal
conversations
with
some
of
the
landowners
that
expressed
concerns
doing
during
the
one-on-one
meetings
that
everyone
was
invited
to.
A
K
E
G
E
J
If
I
can
address
that,
so
we
sent
out
the
notice
of
hearing
letter
for
the
resolution
of
necessity
as
he
stated
the
process,
so
they
would
have
received
that
in
the
mail.
So
that
was
the
notice
for
the
first
one,
which
was
in
january
of
2021.
So,
yes,
we
are
over
a
year
past
that
then
they
received
a
second
letter,
which
was
the
notice
of
hearing
for
this
resolution
of
loving
the
assessments
that
one
was
inaccurate
and
I
had
to
adjust
the
costs
on
it.
J
I
had
added
the
cost
of
the
cities
portion
in
with
their
original
letter.
So
then
that
was
amended
and
they
received
a
third
letter
for
the
resolution
of
loving
the
assessment
and
notice
appearing
for
today
with
the
corrected
amount
in
the
sanitary
and
the
same
amounts
that
they
were
going
to
get
for
sidewalk.
J
Now
the
the
portion
that
juanita's
referring
to
for
the
emails
is
we
sent
out
update
emails
to
everybody
during
the
project
and
before
when
everything
was
going
to
start
and
then
juanita
informed
me
just
this
spring
that
she
don't
do
emails.
So
I
did
print
her
off
the
letter.
A
couple
of
the
emails
that
were
sent
later
last
fall
on
some
information.
A
G
A
G
G
The
other
question
would
be:
if
are
these
costs
that
are
being
assessed
to
these
these
homeowners?
Are
these
all
typical
costs
that
are,
I
know
they
are
being
done
now,
but
are
they?
Is
it
normal
to
go
through
and
do
an
assessment
of
all
these
types
of
items
as
rbn
assessed
back
to
them
now
and
what
is
the
the
total
assessments
going
back
to
12
dollars,
going
back
to
the
landowners.
A
I
As
far
as
whether
each
owner
is
notified
of
their
their
the
extent
of
their
costs,
I
will
rely
on
marcy
for
that.
I
do
know
that
the
unit
prices
are
notified,
provided
they
are
provided
notice
of
the
unit
prices,
so
the
68
per
linear
foot
of
sewer
service,
for
example,
was
provided
marcy.
Can
you
expand
on
whether
specific
estimates
of
their
costs
were
provided
further
than
that.
I
To
the
second
question
is
whether
it's
normal
to
perform
these
types
of
assessments
in
our
projects.
I
believe
it
was
your
question
councilman
danforth,
and
for
what
we're
assessing
here.
Yes,
I'd
say
it's
absolutely
normal.
It's
not
common
that.
We
have
this
extent
of
work
to
be
performed
on
private
service
lines,
but
when
we
do
it,
we
follow
suit
with
our
ordinances
that
that's
the
requirement
of
the
property
owner
and
follow
through
with
those
assessments.
I
I
I
G
G
But
did
they
know
that
each
property
know
that
I'm
getting
an
estimate
of
x
dollars
for
sewer
line?
I'm
getting
x
dollars
for
a
sidewalk,
I'm
getting
x
dollars,
for
whatever
all
is,
is
being
done
that
I'm
being
assessed
for
would
was
that
clearly
laid
out
for
them
as
to
what
they
were
paying
for?
Not
not
the
dollars
but
the
physical
work
they
were
paying
for.
I
So
the
again,
relying
on
the
statute,
the
statutory
process
that
we
follow,
it
unfortunately
doesn't
require
that
those
details
be
laid
out.
I
think
that
one
of
the
reasons
it
doesn't
require
that
is
because
of
the
the
scope
and
magnitude
of
knowing
those
specifics
at
that
phase,
early
on,
isn't
necessarily.
I
P
G
E
I
All
those
things
play
into
that
equation
of
getting
that
information
out
there
to
each
of
the
landowners.
So
even
though
it
might
have
been
not
specifically
spelled
out
and
one
of
the
letters
they
receive.
There
are
several
opportunities
along
the
way
for
them
to
reach
out
to
us
for
where
we're
reaching
out
to
them.
We're
sharing
information,
we're
answering
questions
at
a
multitude
of
levels
between
our
consultant,
our
staff
and
our
public
meetings.
L
L
I
L
L
M
J
J
J
L
J
L
E
C
D
C
Okay,
you
know
I,
I
appreciate
the
concern
that's
been
expressed
here,
but
it
looks
like
our
staff
made
every
effort
possible
throughout
this
entire
process
to
keep
homeowners
aware
of
what
was
going
on
and
the
estimated
cost.
And
I
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
but
I
don't
feel
like
we
have
any
choice
in
the
matter
right
now,
but
to
take
the
next
step
and
approve
this
resolution.
M
Some
of
the
comments
I've
gotten
did
relate
to
the
interest
and,
if
there's
any
desire
of
the
council
lowering
the
interest
rate
and
I've
also
gotten
several
complaints
about
the
seating
and
the
boulevards,
you
know
I
I
try
to
have
those
conversations
with
them,
because
I
know
we
just
talked
about
this
last
meeting.
It's
kind
of
the
same
situation,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
it
out
that
I
am
getting
those
comments
from
residents
up
there.
O
M
O
C
C
Okay,
because
I
I
going
back
in
the
over
the
history
of
this
project,
I
had
raised
concerns
about
the
the
sidewalk
part
of
it,
because
the
fairness
and
my
I
in
my
eyes
will
perceive
lack
of
fairness
relative
to
the
sidewalks,
because
homeowners
in
the
south
side
were
not
required
to
replace
sidewalks.
You
know
I,
I
lost
in
a
couple
different
accounts
and
I
you
know
I
still
express
that
same
concern
about
the
sidewalk
fairness,
but
sounds
like
we're
getting
mostly
concerns
about
the
sanitary
sewer
assessment.
C
J
I
C
C
F
A
H
H
My
question,
I
guess,
is
on
the
10th
avenue
project
they
weren't
required
and
yet
for
for
streets
or
avenues
with.
I
can't
remember
the
the
legal
name
for
those
those
are
arteries
or
whatever
they
call
those
certain
certain
roads
they
have.
They
would
like
to
see
it
on
both
sides.
I
believe
on
the
third
avenue
project
that
we
talked
about
this
spring.
I
Really
it's
also
illegal
in
city
ordinance
that
you
can't
block
a
sidewalk
with
your
vehicle.
Well
perpetually,
that's
what
we
would
have
created
situations
on
the
south
side.
Anybody
trying
to
use
their
driveway
would
have
been
smack
dab
parked
over
top
of
the
sidewalk
just
because
of
the
structures,
the
garages
and
the
houses
being
so
close
to
10th
avenue.
So
it
became
impractical
to
require
that
installation
and
still
have
a
functional
usable
sidewalk,
while
also
having
people
being
able
to
functionally
use
their
driveways
and
garages.
O
B
A
Chair
would
just
like
to
note
director
van
I.
I
think
that
you
had
some
good
ideas
brought
up
by
questions
from
council
that
perhaps
in
the
future,
we
handle
this
with
certified
mail
to
make
sure
that
it
does
get
to
the
person
that
it
needs
to
get
to
and
also
a
detailed
list
of
the
improvements.
Slash
expenses
is
also
probably
something
that
homeowners
and
the
citizens
of
watertown
would
probably
benefit
from
councilman
buehler.
L
I
Yes,
actually
we
talked
about
that
earlier
today
with
staff
as
well,
and
I
believe
the
third
avenue
ones
were
sent
out
certified
with
resolution
necessity
that
was
before
digging
into
the
statute.
Realizing
there
is
an
option
anytime,
we've
had
that
option
is
a
cost
saving
measure.
We've
tried
to
just
send
first
class
if
the
statute
allows
for
it,
which
is
what
we
decided
to
do
on
10th
avenue,
but
again
hindsight
being
20
20.,
I've
already
directed
staff
today,
let's
make
sure
these
assessment
go
out.
Certified
mail.
L
To
be
here,
may
mayor
just
a
comment,
and
this
goes
back
a
little
history
on
that
project.
I
know
you'd
mention
that
some
of
you
are
on
a.
I
call
it
a
manifold
sewer
system
where
and
I'm
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
kind
of
that
system
up
there
about
some
of
the
landowners
that
I
know,
and
I
know
that
some
of
those
were
over
time
requiring
a
great
deal
of
repair
and
they
were
really
aged.
L
So
it
is
most
of
those
I
think
at
some
point.
Probably
if
they
haven't
had
issues
will
would
have
had
issues
so
now
they
should
be
in
the
clear
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
what
a
concern
that
I
heard
earlier
about.
I
think
it
was
from
you
miss
lance
about
the
some
of
these
backing
up.
If
we
had
issues
with
that
heath,
director
van
nae.
O
O
I
know
that's
not
going
to
help
any
of
this
situation
here,
but
I
would
like
going
forward
if
the
city
can
devise
some
kind
of
program
for
people
that
are
on
a
fixed
income
to
help
them
out
with
some
of
these
situations,
because
their
hands
are
tied.
I
mean
here
you're
sitting
here.
You
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
choice.
Now
in
one
factor,
though,
is
is
when
you
had
your
sewer
lines,
replaced
that
probably
also
brought
up
the
the
value
of
your
property.
I
mean,
I
can't
believe
that
it
wouldn't
have.
A
A
A
Motion
is
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
item
b
is
a
tax
increment
or
increment
financing
district
number
20..
There
are
two
separate
motions
here,
but
for
the
sake
of
the
hearing,
I'm
going
to
ask
our
city
attorney
matt
roby,
to
cover
both
topics
in
general,
and
I
will
allow
leniency
to
the
council
to
talk
on
items
one
and
two,
but
we
must
take
separate
action
on
both
items.
Q
Thank
you
mayor.
So
by
way
of
background,
the
council
previously
approved
the
tax
increment
financing
district
plan
for
tiff
district
20
on
june
6th.
It's
june
6th
meeting.
This
tif
district
is
the
district
that
encompasses
the
sinclair
family,
montgomery's
furniture,
new
echo
or
a
new
commercial
development
plan
in
that
area,
and
since
the
the
plan
was
approved
on
june
6th,
there
was
some
identified
issues
with
the
the
original
of
the
plan.
Essentially,
the
project
costs
were
too
low.
The
project
costs
were
originally
slated
at
nine
million
dollars.
Q
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
In
order
to
speak
on
this,
we
do
need
an
official
motion,
so
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution,
which
is
item
number
one,
councilman
tupper
moved
by
councilman,
tupper
seconded
by
councilman
paulson
now,
council,
you
can
ask
questions
regarding
items,
one
and
or
two:
are
there
any
questions
or
comments?
C
Thank
you,
mayor,
really,
not
questions
as
such.
Just
a
few
comments
of
those
of
you
that
you
know
have
followed
tip
discussions
in
the
past.
I've
had
these
same
comments,
I
think,
with
every
tif
that's
coming
for
us,
I
want
to
clarify
there
are
no
advances
being
made
by
the
city
to
the
developer.
This
is
a
pay-as-you-go,
so
we're
not
advancing
any
dollars
on
the
tiff.
C
We
are
well
within
our
allowable
limits
for
tiffs
that
we
can
pass.
I
mean
where
the
the
the
percent
is
so
small
as
far
as
tiff's
that
we
have
approved
versus
what
is
allowed.
So
that's
not
an
issue.
There's
always
a
question.
Are
we
taking
dollars
away
from
the
school
district
by
approving
tips
and,
as
I
understand
it,
where
this
does
not
affect
the
state
aid
formula
that
we're
not
hurting
our
school
districts?
C
By
doing
this,
and
you
know,
I
think
we
do
address
the
but
four
concept
relative
to
tiffs-
that
this
development
probably
would
not
have
gone
forward
but
for
the
tif
being
put
into
place.
So,
for
those
reasons
I
you
know
strongly
support
this,
and
as
I
look
at
that
area
town
now,
especially
you
know,
along
with
the
mall,
even
giving
somewhat
of
a
upgrade
out
there,
their
parking
lot.
C
C
O
O
Q
Q
2025,
do
no
excuse
me
2026,
so
what
we
did
is
identified
july,
1st
2026
as
the
deadline
for
construction
of
all
facets
of
the
project,
and
that's
spelled
out
in
the
development
agreement
and
should
should
that
not
come
to
pass.
You
know
the
city
would
have
have
a
decision
to
make
at
that
time
whether
or
not
to
you
know,
declare
default
of
the
development
agreement
or
if
there
was
some
sort
of
issue
that
caused
the
delay
that
the
city
was
okay
with.
Q
O
Q
Yeah,
so
each
each
tif
we've
approved
has
has
an
associated
development
agreement
with
it
that
identifies
a
deadline
for
completion
of
the
construction
contemplated
in
the
project.
Now
most
of
the
tips
that
we've
been
approving
the
last
few
years
have
been
basically
single
buildings,
and
so
it's
relatively
easy
to
predict
when
that
might
get
complete
here.
Of
course,
there's
a
a
couple
different
phases
to
the
project,
but
yeah
regardless
the
identified
date
for
completion
of
all
phases
of
the
project
is
july.
1St
2026.
thank.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
The
only
thing
I'll
add
to
that
is
to
councilman
tupper's
question
about
the
20
years,
so
once
the
tif
actually
stops
at
the
20,
that's
when
the
county
will
stop
moving
those
dollars
into
that
tif
kind
of
category
and
then
that's
when
it
goes
into
the
general
category
for
property
taxes,
so
they're
kind
of
watching
that
20-year
slide
and
then
they'll
stop
those
flowing
into
the
tif
district.
So
thank
you.
A
A
Any
opposed.
Saying
motion
carries
item
two
is
the
authorization
for
the
city
manager
to
sign
the
development
agreement
and
I
need
a
motion
made
by
councilman
buehler
seconded
by
councilman
paulson
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
council
hearing
none.
The
motion
is
to
authorize
the
city
manager
to
sign
the
agreement.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye.
A
I
I
If
you
recall,
we've
entered
into
a
contract
with
jlg
architects
to
design
that
facility
for
us
we're
a
few
months
into
that
process,
we're
still
in
a
fairly
preliminary
stage
of
that
design
and
we've
decided
to
go
through
the
cmar
process
for
that
structure,
similar
to
other
vertical
work
that
we've
done
for
other
city
facilities
to
reap
the
benefits,
the
gains
of
plugging
a
contractor
in
early
on
in
the
process
through
the
design
phase.
So
we
get
some
some
value-added
engineering
throughout
the
design
phase.
I
I
I
I
A
L
C
You
mayor,
I
don't
want
to
throw
cold
water
on
this
project,
but
you
know
we
we
haven't.
We
haven't
seen
final
numbers
on
that,
yet
so
we're
a
ways
off
from
you
know
moving
forward
with
this,
necessarily
how
let's
say
that
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we
just
have
to
put
a
pause
on
this
project
for
whatever
reason:
how
long
is
this
agreement?
Good
for,
if
we
do,
you
know,
hit
that
point
where
we've
got
to
got
to
pull
the
reins
in
for
a
time.
I
Of
course,
the
pre-construction,
the
design
phase.
We
don't
expect
to
take
longer
than
10
months,
so
that
that
itself
shouldn't
be
an
issue
and
those
fees
I
referenced
earlier:
the
upfront
fees
for
pre-construction
estimate
and
the
pre-construction
phase
for
other
input.
They
provide
along
the
way
those
two
together
total
about
35
thousand
dollars
again
expecting
to
get
that
work
done
and
the
10-month
window
that
were
allowed
in
the
contract.
We
would
be
incurring
about
that
35
000
fee
within
those
pre-con
phases.
I
Q
C
Q
C
Q
We
would
owe
whatever
pre-construction
and
estimating
fees
that
they
have
already
incurred,
and
then
we
would
just
you
know,
shelf
the
contract.
I
would.
I
would
guess
that
if
it
was
really
going
to
go
out
three
years,
we
would
probably
give
notice
to
terminate,
but-
but
I
don't
know
over
any
reason
why
it
couldn't
continue
just
stuff.
C
A
G
L
I
I
I
Justin
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here
he's
got
better
information.
I
do,
but
I'm
showing
about
four
and
a
half
percent
total
budget
for
the
total
project
is
eight.
That's
based
on
the
total
project
amount
of
8.8
million,
the
jlg
architect
fees
and
stock,
while
engineering
civil
site
fees
combined
are
roughly
right
up
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
O
Tupper
my
questions
for
director
van
I
so
the
35
000
that
we're
approving
tonight.
Basically,
let's
say
in
two
years
we
still
haven't
moved
just
like
councilman
bill.
Howard
said
there
is
a
lot
of
information
in
that
project.
Would
that
remain
the
basically
the
property
of
the
city
of
watertown?
Then
I
mean
so.
Let's
say
we
put
it
off
two
years.
I
Yes
correct
so
the
services
we
obtained
from
the
cmar
for
that
35
000
are
all
pre-construction
phase
services.
So
what
what
that's
doing
is
that's
the
contractor,
helping
the
the
designer
jlg
architects
make
sure
we
get
this
thing,
designed
the
most
efficient,
effective
way
for
the
city,
so
once
that
work
is
done.
Yes,
those
design
plans
that
final
set
of
design
plans
would
be
ours
for
our
use
in
the
future.
O
A
M
You
mayor,
I
don't
want
to
throw
them
under
the
bus
by
any
means,
but
I
will
say
during
the
bidding
process
for
the
ice
arena.
There
were.
I
I
got
a
few
complaints
about
their
timeliness,
on
response
and
and
or
just
responding
in
general
to
the
questions
being
asked
and
they
were
not
favorable
toward
towards
them.
So
I
would
just
ask
that
they'd
be
a
little
more
responsive
going
forward
since
we're
going
to
have
multiple
projects
with
them,
especially.
I
Was
only
going
to
reference,
I
believe
brad
was
going
to
log
in
online
unless
brad
from
rjm.
I
didn't
know
if
he
had
a
response
to
that
at
all,
but
based
on
our
interviews
and
reference
checks
and
past
projects,
we
did
too.
We
also
heard
some
of
the
similar
responses
as
councilman
paulson
regarding
the
ice
arena
bids,
but
I
don't
doubt
that's
something
we
can
work
through
with
brad
moving
forward
with
the
street
facility
work.
P
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
can
can
everybody
hear
me
yes
good
evening,
happy
to
be
here,
and
I
I
can
address
that
question
and
or
that
that
comment
that
was
brought
up
during
the
bidding
process.
There
were
a
series
of
questions
that
were
asked
outside
of
the
question
deadline,
time
frame
and
our
instruction
to
our
team
is
to
to
not
respond
in
an
effort
to
not
give
one
contractor
an
unfair
advantage
after
we
are
outside
of
that
question
and
answer
time
frame.
I
I
So
I
think
we
were
averaging
about
every
three
to
five
years.
We
were
seeing
some
sort
of
a
flood
event
having
to
call
on
the
corps
of
engineers
to
come,
help
us
with
that
the
flood
mitigation
measures
to
help
protect
the
city
from
flood
waters
over
the
over
time.
Over
the
last
few
decades,
we've
pursued
conversations
with
the
corps
about
looking
for
long-term
solutions.
I
I
So
through
those
discussions,
the
army
corps
of
engineers
helped
fund
and
the
city
helped
fund,
and
I
believe
the
state
helped
fund
a
feasibility
level
study
for
a
potential
flood
control
project.
Looking
at
a
long-term
solution
assessing
what
some
of
those
long-term
solutions
might
look
like
what
they
might
be.
I
With
that,
the
at
the
federal
level
the
corps
has
been
in
communication.
You
know,
with
at
the
federal
level,
for
funding
to
and
waiting
for
funding
to
complete
an
update
of
that
study.
The
state
and
partner
with
partnership
with
the
city
has
also
been
kind
of
waiting
in
the
wings,
allocating
money
for
us
annually
and
their
omnibus
bill.
I
I
I
Now
what
that
number
is.
I
prefer
the
council
not
necessarily
focus
in
on
that,
and
I
think
the
agreement
actually
says
not
to
focus
on
that.
That's
a
rough
estimate
from
the
federal
government
that
they
tell
every
community
whenever
they're
doing
a
study
of
this
nature,
that's
the
number
they
give
the
community.
They
also
know
full
well
that
in
watertown
we've
done
a
lot
of
leg.
Work,
they've
done
a
lot
of
leg
work
for
us
already.
They
do
not
expect
this
one
to
come
in
near
that
high
at
that
1.8
million.
I
I
I
But
what
I
would
recommend
from
a
staff
level
is
that
we
enter
into
this
agreement
and
we
kick
off
those
initial
measures,
as
outlined
with
the
core
working
closely
with
them
and
any
of
our
elected
officials.
That
may
be
involved
along
the
way
and
get
into
the
the
details
up
to
that
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
level
to
see
what
the
next
phases
could
potentially
be
with
that
again,
there's
a
lot
of
information.
This
agreement
there's
a
lot
of
history
to
it
and
I'll
stand
by
for
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
I
can
leave
them
on
standby.
To
answer
questions
chair
would
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
help
and
assistance
that
have
been
provided
to
the
city
of
watertown
by
governor
gnome,
u.s,
senator
thune
and
representative
dusty
johnson,
but
special
kudos
to
u.s
senator
mike
rounds
and
jennifer
heap
for
actually
being
here
today.
So
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
A
G
Well,
I,
as
I
sit
here
overlooking
beautiful
lake
from
pasca
right
now,
actually,
isolation
due
to
covid.
I
I
go
back
to
you,
know
the
importance
of
this,
this
lake
and
the
surrounding
lakes
and
what
this
study
means
to
our
community.
So
how
important
it
is.
But
the
one
question
I
have,
if
I
may,
what
the
time
frame
for
for
getting
if
we
had
to
get
out
of
this
agreement
was
what
it
was
30
to
what
was
the
based
on
that.
G
Okay,
so
here's
here's
my
question.
It
is
probably-
and
I
don't
know
the
exact
time
frame-
it's
probably
been
a
couple
of
months
ago
now
we
had
a
work
session
specific
to
this
topic,
and
so
my
question
is
is
what
is
transpired
and
there's
a
lot
of
discussion,
a
lot
of
ideas,
a
lot
of
concerns
expressed
at
that
meeting.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
We
were
asked
to
identify
who
the
potential
affected
property
owners
would
be,
which
we've
done.
We've
we've
pulled
those
lists
together
in
discussions
with
the
with
the
core.
We
learned
that
again,
as
we
discussed
at
the
work
session,
that
the
first
phase
of
their
work
are
the
landowner
meetings
and
public
discussions,
which
was
largely
what
was
discussed
at
the
work
session,
was
how
do
we
gauge
public
sentiment
around
this?
Who
are
the
individuals
who
potentially
or
property
owners?
N
C
You
mayor
just
to
follow
up
to
your
your
your
answer:
city
manager,
mac,
okay,
we've
identified
the
affected
landlords,
but
we
have
not
contacted.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
Correct?
Okay?
I
I
know
there
had
been
some
preliminary
discussions
over
the
last
couple
years
when
roger
foot
was
still
here
with
the
upper
big
sue.
I
know
he
had
had
had
some
conversations,
but
there's
been
nothing
since
that
time
now.
A
L
Thank
you
mayor.
I
think
this
is
long
overdue.
I
think-
and
I
want
to
I
do-
want
to
thank
our
congressional
folks
for
trying
to
push
this
forward
and
and
maybe
get
this
thing
to
fruition.
Whatever
this
thing
may
be,
we're
talking
about
land
owners
here
and
potential
landowners,
and
I
think
that's
with
the
assumption
that
the
project
would
be
a
dam
is
my
assumption,
so
we
want
to
make.
L
I
think
we
got
to
be
clear
on
that
that
this
these
are
potential
issues,
because,
because
I
do
know,
the
core
has
to
look
at
any
other
opportunities
outside
of
possibly
a
dam.
That's
a
part
of
their
study
to
make
a
decision
on
how
we
move
forward
and
what
direction
they
give
us
to
to
to
build
a
dam.
L
M
Thank
you
mayor.
I
also
agree
that
I
think
this
is
long
overdue.
Having
been
with
the
engineering
department
when
we
went
through
the
flood
of
2018.,
it
was
a
trying
time
and
the
corps
was
on
site
and
it
was
crazy
to
see
the
resources
that
we
had
to
use
and
do
and
the
potential
positive
impact
that
the
end
result
of
this
can
can
bring
to
this
city,
and
the
community
is
huge
for
us
and
obviously
I
I
don't
wish
ill
upon
any
landowner
or
anything
else.
O
H
Thank
you
mayor,
yes,
for
whomever
this
may
be
this
initial
meetings,
we're
talking
about
with
the
landowners
and
the
corps
and
the
city
just
curious
on
the
timeline
in
in
the
weeks
or
months
ahead.
What
the
timeline
looks
like
and
then
also
you
know
what
kind
of
data
is
there?
Data
that's
been
brought
together
to
to
make
sure
these
meetings,
because
it
can
be
a
hard
subject
to
have
with
everybody
involved
in
this,
especially
with
the
landlords,
land
owners
up
north
in
the
city
and
the
core.
H
I
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
I
would
like
to
refer
to
the
core
here
at
some
point,
but
greg
john
or
excuse
me,
greg
johnson
and
sarah
miller.
Sarah
is
our
specific
project
manager
here
and
and
greg
at
a
higher
level
within
the
core
has
been
helping
answer
some
providing
some
very
helpful
information
too.
So
I
did
very
simply
paraphrase
some
of
their
information.
They
shared
earlier
about
the
process
and
those
introductory
meetings,
and
if
I
could
call
on
them,
maybe
they
could
expand
on
that
a
little
more
specifically
for
the
council's
benefit.
A
N
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
council
members,
this
is
greg
johnson,
I'm
the
chief
of
plant
formulation
and
project
management.
Hopefully
you
guys
can
hear
me
all
right.
We
can
so
I'm
I'm
actually
a
hydraulic
engineer
by
training,
but
I've
been
doing
planning
and
project
management
for
the
better
part
of
my
career,
a
couple
of
just
one.
I
thought
he
he
did
a
nice
job
of
summarizing
kind
of
the
agreement.
N
N
In
addition
to
doing
the
kind
of
the
public
involvement
landowner,
outreach
meetings,
so
that's
going
to
kind
of
all
happen
in
the
first.
In
the
first
phase,
the
standard
agreement
when
we,
when
we
sign
up
for
these
type
of
studies
with
communities,
is
actually
three
million,
and
so
it's
1.5
million
federal
1.5
million
non-federal,
and
the
only
reason
I
point
that
out
is
because
absolutely
we
know
quite
a
bit
about
watertown,
as
as
heath
pointed
out
we've.
N
Typically,
the
bare
minimum
would
be
that
we
do
one.
We
would
do
one
kind
of
agency
meeting
with
all
the
affected
agencies
and
we
would
do
one
or
two,
depending
on
gauging
public
interest
and
participation,
public
type
meetings.
That
would
be
kind
of
a
open
house
workshop
where
we,
where
we
let
people
come
in.
We
talk
about
the
different
aspects
of
the
of
what
the
project
we
gain
getting
input
on
their
concerns
things
they
want
looked
at
and
so
forth,
but
knowing
the
kind
of
the
history
of
this
this
site.
N
In
addition
to
that,
I
kind
of
think
we
might
want
to
do,
but
I'm
definitely
open
to
suggestions.
But
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
at
the
work
working
session
was:
maybe
we
would
schedule
a
day
or
two
kind
of
around
those
other
meetings
or
or
maybe
specifically
set
them
up
separately,
where
we
set
up
one-on-one
conversations
with
the
affected
landowners
and
just
schedule,
you
know
an
hour
or
or
two
or
whatever
it
takes
to
just
kind
of
hear.
G
N
N
G
P
G
G
I
There
are
surface
water
management
programs
and
funding
mechanisms
available
for
projects
like
flood
mitigation
measures
again
not
being
far
enough
along
the
process
and
again
maybe
greg
or
sarah
could
speak
better
to
this
than
I
am.
But
I
do
know
there
are
programs
available
that
we
would
be
seeking
assistance
for
any
kind
of
construction
or
implementation
phase.
Once
we
got
to
that
point,.
G
I
was
hoping
he
was
going
to
tell
me
where
we
got
the
money,
but
specifically
yeah,
and
I
know
that
the
chicken
and
the
egg
thing
here,
but
that
you,
I
always
look
at
these
things
and
say:
okay,
it's
great
to
have
the
study.
But
how
do
we
pay
for
it?
And
I
obviously
know
that
unless
we
have
the
detail,
we
can't
even
go
ask
for
money
or
or
apply
or
whatever.
E
G
We'd
be
doing
with
how
we'd
be
meeting
with
the
landowners.
I
think
that's
absolutely
critical,
so
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
this.
I
think
it's
important
for
us.
It's
important
for
not
only
our
community,
but
you
know
it
would
it
would
help
all
along
the
big
su
river
in
the
northeast
part
of
south
dakota.
So
that
said,
I
I'll
suggest
that
that
when
time
comes
and
the
vote
comes
I'll
be
voting
for
this.
D
G
L
N
Yeah,
I
guess
I'll
I'll
jump
in
so
the
study
the
study
will
take.
You
know
probably
two
and
a
half
to
three
years.
I
would
say,
maybe
maybe
quicker,
because
we
know
some
stuff,
but
there
are.
There
are
going
to
be
some
technical
if,
if
it,
if
we're,
if
we're
going
down
the
road
of
an
alternative
that
involves
a
dam
there'll,
be
some
damn
safety
type
stuff
that
might
might
drag
it
out
so
we're
generally.
These
studies
have
to
be
completed
within
three
years.
N
F
N
N
N
A
A
D
E
D
We
had
one
scheduled,
we'll
reschedule.
I
know
you're
very
disappointed
right
august
15th.
We
will
have
a
work
session
at
4
pm
to
have
our
new
logo
revealed
to
us
from
simpleview
they
reached
out
and
they
are
close
to
completion
and
want
to
share
with
us
what
they've
come
up
with
so
it'll,
be
immediately
before
the
council
meeting
on
the
15th.
A
So
all
those
people
who
like
watching
the
work
sessions
or
being
in
attendance
pennsylvania
your
next
two
mondays
in
so
yes
any
further
question
or
any
further
announcements
council,
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
or
we
have
no
need
to
go
into
executive
session.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
made
by
councilman
tupper
seconded
by
councilman
vilhauer,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye
aye,
any
posse,
nay
motion
carries
stay
well,
councilman,
danforth
and
don't
get
sick,
councilman
shutty
with
that
good
night
and
god
bless
you
watertown.