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From YouTube: Joint Budget Decision Session, 12 January 2021 5.30 pm
Description
Joint Budget Decision Session - Executive Member for Culture, Leisure and Communities, and Executive Member for Children, Young People and Education
AGENDA
1. Declarations of Interest 00:01:47
2. Minutes 00:02:02
3. Public Participation 00:02:35
4. Financial Strategy 2021/22 to 2025/26 00:12:30
For full agenda, attendance details and supporting documents visit:
https://democracy.york.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=739&MId=12608
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
tonight's
joint
budget
decision
session
between
the
portfolios
of
children,
young
people
in
education
and
culture,
leisure
and
communities.
I'm
councillor,
darius
molly,
I'm
the
executive
member
for
culture,
leisure
and
education
and
joining
me
is
the
council
counselor
keith
orwell,
the
executive
investor,
to
introduce
yourself
keith.
A
Thank
you
so
much
keith
and
just
I
know,
you've.
Sarah
and
debbie
you've
been
been
to
lots
of
meetings
today
and
everyone's
doing
it
slightly
differently.
I
think
so,
but
I
think
just
so.
I
don't
butcher
anyone's
titles
and
names
if
we
could
just
go
around
and
I'll
just
call
on
you
sort
of
in
no
particular
order
at
all
amanda.
Do
you
want
to
go
first.
A
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
last,
but
certainly
not
least,
charlie
good
evening,
I'm
charlie
croft
citizen,
director
of
communities
and
culture.
Well,
thank
you
so
much,
and
and
thank
you
to
everyone
watching
and
listening
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
declarations
of
interest.
I
don't
think
I
have
any
interest
to
declare.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
declarations
of
interest
in
any
other
business?
No,
I.
A
Know
brilliant
thanks
so
much
I
can
see
a
shaking
of
heads
item.
Two
is
the
minutes
it's
an
awful
long
time
ago.
I
did
watch
it
earlier
just
to
just
to
recall
my
memory
and
then
myself
and
ian
sat
there
in
west
offices
feels
like
decades
ago,
let
alone
just
last
year,
I'm
looking
in
the
minutes.
I'm
happy
to
approve
they're
an
accurate
record
and
I'm
assuming
at
some
point
when
we
allow.
B
A
Into
west
offices
we'll
sit
there
and
sign
the
hundreds
of
copies
that
we've
got
to
to
get
through
physically,
but
I'm
happy
to
to
approve
the
minutes
for
an
accurate
record
of
the
meeting
on
the
14th
of
january
2020
item
three
is
public
participation.
We
have
had
two
registered
speakers
in
advance
of
the
meeting
and
in
no
particular
order.
I
think
we
have
councillor
bob
webb
first,
if
that's
okay-
and
I
know
the
the
rule-
is
three
minutes,
but
we
only
have
two
tonight.
F
Okay,
thank
you,
councillor,
smally,
can
you?
Can
you
hear
me?
We
can
perfectly
good.
Thank
you
very
much
so
yeah
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
to
speak
this
evening,
and
I
hope
that
you'll
consider
the
points
that
I
that
I
make
on
the
basis
of
what's
best
for
york's
residents
and
in
particular
our
young
people.
F
Therefore,
I
simply
want
to
pose
some
questions
that
you
and
the
residents
of
york
need
to
be
thinking
about
during
this
process,
so,
firstly,
the
growth
figures.
I
do
not
disagree
at
all
that
children's
social
care
requires
additional
funding
and
I
I
would,
of
course,
support
this.
However,
there
is
no
detail
in
in
this.
F
Essentially,
it's
a
big
round
figure,
which
is
really
good,
but
there
is
no
detail.
Therefore,
I
ask
you
so
what
real
scrutiny
have
you
as
executive
members
put
into
to
get
into
this
point
this
evening,
and
would
it
not
be
to
have
some
sort
of
concrete
idea
of
what
that
money
will
be
spent
on
or
outlined
here
tonight?
F
Otherwise,
there's
a
strong
possibility
that,
given
the
absolutely
tight
purse
strings
that
we're
working
with,
we
could
end
up
with
funding
spent
on
something
only
to
find
out
that
something
else
that
needed
it
more
suddenly,
there's
none
left.
So
as
an
administration.
I
think
your
oversight
is
absolutely
essential
here,
and
so
I
really
really
just
want
to
stress
the
fact
that
the
more
detail
in
this
would
make
it
possibly
easier
for
me
to
to
support
this
outright,
or
maybe
maybe
more
difficult.
F
I
don't
know,
but
because
we
don't
have
the
detail
because
that's
not
been
put
in.
I
can't
honestly
comment
either
way,
sadly,
now
onto
the
cuts,
so
in
some
specifics
here
in
cype,
three
there's
a
proposed
cut
to
the
learning
and
work
advisor
team
of
of
99
000
in
this
financial
year
and
then
a
further
70
000
in
the
year
after
that,
and
this
proposed
saving,
if
you
can
call
it
that
is
meant
to
come
about
through
increased
income
through
the
development
of
an
expanded
trading
offer.
F
Therefore,
my
first
question
has
to
be
at
this
time,
who
are
we
going
to
trade
for
with
it,
so
at
a
total
of
169
000
being
removed
from
a
service
that
supports
young
people
at
risk
of
not
entering
education,
employment
or
training
upon
leaving
school?
I
might
remind
you
that
providing
sports
these
young
people
is
a
statutory
service
so
which,
if
we're
asking
schools
to
to
lead
on
that
and
and
buy
in
those
services.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
quite
tough,
and
that
leads
me
to
another
question.
F
At
a
time
when
the
council's
human
rights
board
received
a
paper
outlining
that
there's
been
a
three-fold
increase
in
unemployment
in
16
to
24
year
olds
is
now
the
right
time
to
cut
that
particular
service
in
cype
4.
In
a
review
of
early
help,
I
mean
this
is
a
service
that,
throughout
this
period
of
difficulty
and
poverty,
for
many,
has
seen
an
increase
in
usage,
and-
and
this
is
a
positive
thing
in
a
way
because
it
means
that
the
more
people
that
use
this
service
and
they're
accessing
this
service
at
the
right
time.
F
It
means
that
there's
less
likelihood
that
people
are
going
to
be
delaying
and
and
holding
on
and
not
accessing
a
service
until
they
absolutely
need
it
at
which
point
it's
a
point
in
crisis,
and
it
then
becomes
far
more
expensive
for
us
to
deal
with.
So
actually.
For
many
many
reasons,
we
need
to
think
about
the
sensibility
of
a
cut
in
this
particular
service,
a
service.
That's
that's,
doing
good
work
and
could
do
some
really
really
good
stuff.
F
F
Now,
obviously,
this
year
is
has
been
quite
a
tricky
year
and
I
can
understand
why
savings
that
were
meant
to
be
made
were
never
made,
but
if
we're
in
a
situation
where
actually
now,
both
of
those
savings
of
150
000
are
taken
within
this
one
single
calendar
year,
that's
300
000
pounds
to
a
service
which
is
really
really
fundamental
to
to
our
help
for
children
and
their
families
all
in
one
year.
So
I
think
that's
something
to
consider
now.
I
think.
F
Finally,
I
recognize
that
this
is
a
really
difficult
year
and
I'll
happily
call
for
your
former
partners
in
the
conservative
party
to
improve
their
offer
to
local
authorities,
but
I
have
to
insist
that
you
think
very
carefully
about
what
you
are
doing
to
services
that
protect
and
support
the
most
vulnerable
families
in
our
city.
I
really
really
want
to
work
with
you
on
this.
F
I
really
want
to
make
this
work,
but
at
this
stage,
without
the
detail
in
the
growth
and
with
a
look
at
some
of
the
cuts
that
are
presented,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
really
difficult,
so
I'm
well
happy
to
work
and
work
with
officers
and
with
administration
members
to
to
investigate
this
further
over
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
A
I
think
what
what
we'll
do
is
if
officers
might
want
to
say
and
respond
to
some
of
your
comments,
but
we'll
probably
leave
that
until
we
get
to
the
to
the
full
item
just
so,
we
don't
expand
public
participation
into
an
item
itself,
if
that's
okay,
but
I'm
sure
you'll
listen
in
to
the
conversations
when,
when
they
happen
and
and
absolutely
accepting
your
offer
to
work
with
us
and
officers
to
to
go
through
the
detail.
I
know
decision
sessions
for
for
budget
items
are
a
relatively
new
thing.
A
A
Accountable
and
a
bit
more
transparent
than
what
the
council
had
previously,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
your
comments,
which
again
we'll
we'll
be
taking
into
account
when
we
get
to
that
gender
item
and
I'm
sure
officers
took
notes
and
we'll
be
prepared
to
answer
some
of
your
early
concerns
and
our
next
public
speaker
is
counselor,
edward
pearson
and
and
again
ed.
I'm
not
going
to
be
stringent
on
the
on
the
three
minutes
rule
so
over
to
you
really
and
thank
you
as
much
for.
E
I'm
sure
you'll
be
discussing
the
extreme
financial
pressures
facing
the
council
during
this
ongoing
global
pandemic
later
on
in
the
meeting.
But
I
for
one,
am
very
grateful
to
see
that
the
administration's
commitment
to
protecting
innovating
and
enhancing
library
services
in
york
has
not
been
impacted
by
this
major
crisis.
E
We
have
now
seen
how
vital
the
library
services
have
been
for
our
communities
throughout
the
last
year.
They
have
been
a
lifeline
for
many
at
this
time,
whether
it's
reading
a
good
book
or
utilizing
the
many
resources
that
explore
has
to
offer
it's
providing
a
vital
service
now
more
than
ever,
particularly
for
isolated
residents
living
on
their
own.
E
A
Thanks
so
much
cancer
person,
thank
you
for
registering
to
speak
tonight
and
absolutely
having
having
been
to
the
to
the
temporary
the
various
temporary
libraries
we've
had
in
hacksby.
We
completely
agree
with
that
that
commitment
to
to
make
sure
we
get
a
permanent
library
in
hacks
as
soon
as
possible.
A
Thought
would
be
there
to
to
either
realize
savings
or
do
do
things
differently
and
deliver
things
in
a
better
way.
I
think,
amongst
the
amongst
the
enormous
precious
that
the
pressures
of
the
council
find
it
finds
itself
in.
There
are
some
some
rays
of
light
and,
in
particular,
the
the
3.5
million
covid
recovery
fund,
which
I
think
will
be
a
lifeline
for
the
city
and
in
days
that
will
continue
to
be
quite
challenging,
going
through
2021
and
and
most
likely
into
2022
as
well.
A
I
think
my
hometown
is
closing,
closing
drill
halls
and
and
trying
to
get
rid
of
swimming
pools,
and
I
think
the
the
fact
we're
not
a
we're
not
in
that
position
in
europe
is,
is
really
critical.
I
think,
with
with
that
debbie
are
you
okay
to
introduce
item
four
and
then
we'll
we'll
go
over
to
amanda
and
colleagues
to
go
through
the
budget
in
detail.
D
Yeah
I'll
just
I'll
just
do
a
brief
introduction
setting
out
this
overarching
council-wide
context.
So
as
you
as
you
mentioned,
daryl
there,
these
proposals
have
been
prepared
in
the
context
of
this
unprecedented
financial
challenge
and
uncertainty
due
to
the
pandemic,
and
that
pandemic
has
seen
increased
demand
for
services
and
support
alongside
reduced
income
across
all
services
across
the
council.
D
We've
identified
pressures
of
just
over
12
million
pounds,
which
therefore
leaves
a
budget
gap
of
just
under
8
million.
That's
needed
to
be
found
from
budget
savings,
and
the
underlying
requirement
from
a
financial
perspective
has
been
to
try
and
maintain
our
stable
financial
position.
In
the
midst
of
all
this
uncertainty,
alongside
dealing
with
challenges
facing
adult
and
children,
social
care
in
particular,
and
those
challenges
are
national
issues
that
really
require
a
sustainable
funding
solution
in
the
long
term
from
central
government.
D
So
in
terms
of
the
detail
of
what
that
growth
will
be
spent
on,
I
mean
amanda
might
want
to
add
to
this
a
bit
later.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
spent
on
new
things,
that
is
to
deal
with
the
existing
pressures
that
are
being
seen
across
the
director,
so
I'll
leave
them
under
to
pick
up
on
that,
the
the
reports,
the
annexes
to
the
report
outline
the
detailed
proposals
for
these
portfolios
and
we've
also
included
a
summary
of
the
consultation
responses
that
have
been
received
today.
D
A
C
C
We're
now
starting
to
see
demand
in
those
areas
plateauing
as
practice,
is
getting
better
and
the
point
that
councillor
webb
made
around
people
getting
services.
At
an
earlier
point,
we
are
seeing
high
numbers
of
people
that
access
our
early
help
services
as
a
consequence
of
lockdown
one.
We
didn't
see
a
massive
spike
in
referrals
to
children's
social
care,
which
other
local
authorities
had
done,
but
we
did
see
a
big
increase
in
referrals
to
early
help,
we're
already
seeing
an
increase
in
referrals
to
early
help.
C
What
we
are
having
to
do,
though,
in
the
uncertainty
that
debbie
outlined,
is
to
think
about
where
we
can
take
some
opportunities
to
work
differently
and
to
be
different,
so
the
savings
that
you've
got
outlined
really
try
and
maximize,
given
the
difficult
context,
the
opportunities
that
we
have
as
working
as
now.
What
is
a
people
director,
rather
than
what
was
education
and
children
communities
and
also
thinking
about
how
we
can
work
across
different
footprints,
how
we
can
work
with
partners
differently,
so
in
relation
to
the
the
saving
that's
allocated
against
the
learning
and
work
advisors.
C
That
is
thinking
about
a
review
of
that
service,
which
is
looking
at
how
we
can
best
support
people
into
education,
training
and
employment
across
the
resources
that
we
have
in
a
people
directorate.
Recognizing
that
statutory
responsibility
for
careers
advice,
it's
with
schools
rather
than
ourselves.
And
how
can
we
support
the
school
sector
to
to
deliver
that
more
effectively,
and
is
it
possible
to
trade
across
a
bigger
footprint
that
might
be
able
to
help
us
in
that
area
in
the
early
help
model
that
was
was
raised
also
by
councillor
webb?
C
It
is
much
more
around
family
group
conferencing,
which
we
know
has
worked
really
effectively
in
other
local
authorities
to
reduce
need
to
mean
that
vulnerable
families
can
get
support
at
a
much
earlier
stage,
but
can
also
think
about
the
resources
that
they
have
within
their
family
within
their
community
that
can
help
them
meet
their
own
needs,
so
the
the
realignment
of
services
in
that
area-
that's
that's
suggested-
is
very
much
around
a
different
way
of
working.
It's
around
supporting
people
earlier.
B
So
they've
had
to
put
a
lot
more
into
it
than
in
previous
years,
and
I
think
what
we've
come
out
with.
Certainly
in
our
directorate
is
something
that
is
good
for
the
future.
As
amanda
said,
we're
trying
to
look
at
different
ways
of
working
and
how
we
can
use
the
resources
in
a
better
way
to
meet
problems
earlier
than
we
have
in
the
past
and
just
and
therefore
reduce
the
the
the
costs
in
the
future
and
make
better
services
and
better
help
for
families
and
children
as
we
go
along.
B
A
Well,
thank
you
so
much
keith
and
just
to
just
to
agree
an
ad
really
in
in
the
communities
team.
I
know
when
you
looked
at
the
priorities
this
time
last
year.
It's
wildly
different
from
what
they've
spent
the
year
doing
and
from
helping
man
the
community
hubs
throughout
the
sort
of
the
darkest
days
of
the
pandemic
through
to
through
to
actually
supporting
communities
and,
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
getting
10
lots
and
lots
of
grit
bins
out
across
across
lots
of
communities.
So
a
really
varied
role.
A
A
I
think
with
that,
unless
there's
any
other
looking
for
hands
unless
there's
any
other
points,
comments
or
questions,
I
think
just
a
quick
reminder
that
myself
and
keith
aren't
leaders
of
the
council
and
we're
not
formally
formally
approving
and
setting
the
budget
here
tonight,
we're
just
giving
it
a
public
hearing
and
letting
it
go
on
its
course
to
executive
and
then
later
budget
council.
So
just
a
reminder
that
they
are
draft
proposals
and
the
budget
consultation
is
still
ongoing
and
we
just
encourage
everyone.
A
Well,
I
can
say
a
nod,
thank
you
as
much,
and
so
with
that.
We're
approving
the
recommendations
on
item
4
and
sending
it
on
its
way
to
to
executive
for
another
airing
and
more
scrutiny,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
offices
that
have
helped
prepare
the
item
and
and
do
all
the
work
behind
and
all
the
detail
behind.
A
It
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
we're
about
to
do
in
the
in
the
coming
weeks
to
ensure
it's
even
fuller
and
ready
for
ready
for
full
council,
and
I
think
with
that,
we've
got
item
five,
which
is
urgent
business.
I've
not
been
notified
of
any
urgent
business
and
I
don't
think
we
have
any
just
now.
So
thank
you
to
our
public
speakers.
Thank
you
to
all
the
officers
here
tonight.