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From YouTube: Executive (Calling-In), 23 November 2017
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1. Declarations of Interest 00:01:44
2. Public Participation 00:01:49
3. Exclusion of Press and Public 00:06:52
4. Called-in Item: Disposal of Willow House, Walmgate 00:07:14
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A
It's
five
o'clock
by
my
watch,
if
not
by
the
clock
on
the
wall,
so
welcome
everyone
to
this
meeting
of
the
executive,
calling
in
meeting
Thursday,
23rd
November
2017
may
I
ask
if
there
are
any
declarations
of
interest.
No!
Thank
you
public
participation.
We
have
two
speakers
under
this
section
tonight.
Mr.
McKenzie
and
I
think
counselor
crack
hello.
Counselor
crackle
is
here
yes,
hello.
Who
wants
to
go
first?
B
Councilors
and
supporters
of
both
parties
represented
in
Guildhall
Ward,
have
been
campaigning
on
this
issue
with
local
residents
and
the
newly
formed
one
gate:
community
association,
pradesh,
petitioning
door-to-door
in
the
nearby
area
and
in
the
street
on
warm
gate
in
the
last
few
weeks.
It
is
very,
very
rare
to
find
anyone
who
doesn't
want
to
support
the
call
for
protection
of
this
open
space
over
240
signatures
have
been
collected
so
far
and
I'm
sure
we
will
be
able
to
collect
many
more
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
for
the
level
of
concern.
B
Firstly,
this
is
a
very
attractive
piece
of
green,
open
space
that
really
enhances
a
local
residential
area
that
is
not
well
supplied
with
facilities
in
general.
The
benefits
of
symmetry
to
green,
open
space
for
both
physical
and
mental
health
are
extremely
well
documented
and
are
reflected
in
council
policies
from
one
planet
york
to
the
health
and
well-being
strategy
to
the
draft
local
plan.
It's
also
self-evident
to
most
people
that
we
need
to
protect
green
open
spaces
in
the
city
center
in
order
to
protect
our
special
quality
of
life
in
York.
B
People
are
also
very
aware
that
this
particular
open
space
forms
the
setting
of
one
of
our
most
important
scheduled
ancient
monuments.
The
recently
refurbished
one
gate
bar
and
I
understand,
councillor
Flinders
will
say
a
bit
more
about
that.
In
addition,
also
people
are
aware
that
this
is
part
of
a
worrying
trend
that
threatens
to
build
over
far
too
many
of
the
remaining
green
open
areas
in
and
around
the
city
centre.
B
Previous
comments
from
councilor
car
and
from
councillor
wallah
that
further
work
needs
to
be
done
to
protect
green
spaces
in
the
city
centre
are
very
welcome
and
we
have
suggested
a
specific
addition
along
these
lines
in
our
local
plant
submission.
However,
closing
the
stable
door
after
the
horse
has
bolted
by
allowing
the
loss
of
this
space
will
be
devastating
for
local
residents.
30.
B
Devastating
for
local
residents
and
send
entirely
the
wrong
message.
We
need
to
see
some
action
this
evening
regarding
this
specific
space,
so
I
do
urge
you
to
follow
the
advice
of
the
corporate
scrutiny
committee
and
delay
the
land
sale
for
a
short
time,
pending
more
detailed
consideration
of
all
the
options
for
protecting
the
space.
Thank
you
thank.
A
C
Moreover,
this
proposal
was
seemingly
buried
for
a
whole
year
until
one
of
our
counselors
discovered
it
and
brought
to
the
attention
of
our
new
chair,
Simon
Perry.
If
the
council
allows
this
sale
to
proceed,
it
will
cause
harm
to
the
immunities
of
the
area
for
both
residents
and
tourists.
Our
link,
whilst
we
understand
the
need
to
sell
assets
at
this
time,
we
would
disagree
with
this
particular
as
it
being
sold
at
that
location
as
it
would
be
better
served
as
sheltered
housing.
C
Now
is
the
time
to
rebuild
communities
going
forward,
not
dividing
them
by
building
in
every
available
space
or
even
by
putting
students
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area
which
we've
seen
recently
and
has
caused
a
lot
of
grief
in
the
local
area.
I
would
like
to
end
this
statement
by
reminding
the
council
that
if
this
plan
goes
ahead
either
in
whole
or
in
part,
it
will
set
a
dangerous
precedent
allowing
more
green
space
to
be
absorbed
by
construction
and
more
divisions
in
our
already
unstable
communities.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
You,
mr.
McKenzie,
you
come
in
so
noted,
so
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
that
section.
We
do
have
two
more
speakers,
but
I'll
take
those
when
we
discuss
the
substantive
on
item
item
threes,
exclusion
of
press
and
public.
There
is
a
summon
paper.
Annex
B
for
to
this
report
can
I
ask
members
that
if
they
want
to
discuss
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
exclude
the
press
and
the
public
so
could
they
indicate
now
where
they
do
or
not
and
okay.
A
A
D
Table's
turned
from
that's
absolutely
and
I'm,
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
the
temptation
for
several
of
you
to
cross-examine
me
in
the
way
I've
cross-examined
you
at
full
council
and
there
see
SMC-
is
there
so
I'm
I'm
suitably
apprehensive
around
this.
As
you
will
have
read
in
the
papers,
and
you
may
have
heard
from
discussions,
the
CSM
team
considered
this
item.
We
heard
evidence
from
the
local
residents
Association
and
we
heard
information
also
from
the
ward
councillors
for
the
area.
D
I
think
the
decision
that
was
originally
taken
by
the
executive
had
some
merit
and
I
think
had
I
been
sitting
where
you
were
sitting
at
the
time.
I
may
well
have
come
to
the
same
conclusion
that
you
came
to.
However,
there
was
clearly
a
strong
ground
sort
of
opinion
from
the
local
community
that
there
was
a
concern
around
that
public
open
space.
So
I
listened
to
the
discussion
and
the
debate
that
took
place
during
the
committee
and
I
felt
at
the
end
of
it,
there
was
overwhelming
support
for
the
case.
D
The
executive
should
think
again
about
the
decision.
The
concerns
boiled
down
to
simply
around
public
open
space,
whether
it's
designated
technically
as
such
or
not.
It
has
been
used
as
such
for
a
long
period
of
time.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
the
potential
for
a
Holy
Grail
outcome
on
this
one,
the
holy
grail
of
decision-making
in
council,
being
that
we
can,
as
a
council,
liquidate
an
asset
to
the
river
to
create
some
extra
resources
to
spend
in
other
ways,
but
in
a
way
that
the
community
are
supportive
of
I.
D
Think
there
is
the
potential
to
do
that
with
this
decision.
All
that
is
being
asked
for
is
a
pause
to
reflect
for
a
period
of
time
in
much.
The
similar
way
it
has
has
been
done
for
the
low
field
site
to
pause,
to
reflect,
to
try
and
get
greater
community
buy-in
and
to
try
and
ensure
protection
of
public
open
space
when
it
is
possible
to
do
that.
D
D
D
Its
mixture
of
both
but
the
end
of
the
day
the
council
owns
the
asset.
At
the
moment
we
can
determine
what
happens
to
that,
so
I
don't
have
to
sell
it.
If
we
don't
want
to
I,
don't
think
there's
any
opposition
to
the
principle
of
the
sale,
but
we
can
determine
at
the
outset
that
when
it
is
sold
to
raise
some
extra
funds
that
it
is
done
in
a
way
that
protects
the
public
open
space
as
the
community
wants,
and
that
seems
to
me
a
win-win
if
that
can
be
achieved.
Okay,.
F
Thank
You,
chair
I,
wish
strikes,
asked
the
executive
to
review
its
decision
taken
on
the
19th
of
October
to
approve
the
disposal
of
Willer
house
and
the
green
space
adjacent
to
one
gay
bar
in
order
to
allow
for
a
detailed
consideration
of
options
for
protecting
this
important
piece
of
green
space.
Local
residents
have
enjoyed
using
the
green
space
adjacent
to
one
gay
bar
for
many
years,
whilst
this
land
may
not
be
officially
listed
by
the
council
as
a
public
park
to
the
people
who
live
and
work
in
Wang
gate.
F
That's
exactly
what
this
green
space
is.
It's
publicly
accessible,
there
isn't
a
fence.
There
are
any
keep
off
the
grass
signs
and
the
grass
is
regularly
mon.
This
land
should
be
treated
for
what
it
is:
a
green
space
in
an
area
which
has
very
few
other
green
spaces.
The
nearest
Park,
for
example,
Brown
Tree
Park,
is
a
significant
distance
away
and
difficult
to
get
to.
If
you
have
ability
problems
or
if
you're
travelling
with
young
children.
F
This
green
space
is
Jason,
torn
gate
bar,
which
is
the
only
medieval
entrance
to
our
city,
to
maintain
his
portcullis
Barbican
and
inner
doors.
As
you
expect
for
a
building
which
dates
in
part
from
the
12th
century,
this
is
a
grade
1
listed
building,
giving
it
the
same
level
of
protection
as
some
of
the
most
important
historic
buildings
in
Yorkshire.
Under
the
planning
listed
buildings
and
conservation
areas
act
in
1990,
the
council
has
a
duty
to
preserve
the
structure
of
this
listed
building,
but
also
a
duty
to
preserve
the
surrounding
area.
F
The
council
made
an
assessment
of
each
of
the
features
which
made
the
warm
gate
area
for
his
historic
city
centre,
so
special
this
is
contained
within
York,
Central,
historic,
core
Conservation,
Area
appraisal.
The
assessment
notes
the
panoramic
views
from
the
city
walls
across
this
piece
of
green
space
and
out
across
one
gate.
The
appraisal
also
highlights
this
screen.
Space
adjacent,
warm
gate
bar
as
providing
an
opportunity
for
future
improvements.
F
I
landscaping,
new
student
accommodation
built
on
this
green
space,
would
detract
from
views
of
warm
gate
bar
and
would
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
setting
of
this
important
historic
building.
The
council
also
has
a
duty
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
character
and
appearance
of
a
conservation
area.
At
the
last
meeting
of
the
executive,
the
executive
member
for
housing
and
safe
neighborhoods
said
as
a
guiding
principle.
F
This
administration
has
been
very
clear
that
it
is
committed
to
being
a
listening
Council
and
when
schemes
come
forward
that
had
deemed
to
be
inappropriate,
this
council
will
listen
and
will
change.
The
interim
deputy
executive
leader
said
this
to
show
that
residents
are
being
listened
to
and
that
it
is
about
getting
the
scale
of
development
right
and
recognising
the
need
for
open
space.
F
A
welcome
the
commitment
made
by
the
executive
to
listen
to
local
residents,
who
overwhelmingly
oppose
building
on
this
green
space
and
the
commitment
to
recognise
the
need
for
open
space
which
will
be
diminished
if
students,
ocular
insurances,
lenders
built
on
its
green.
Today's
ovirt-engine
40
residents
of
support
of
the
petition
to
protect
this
green
space.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
executive
listening
to
local
resins
and
delaying
the
sale
of
this
land.
A
Councillor
Flinders
uncle
the
question:
when
the
executives
took
the
original
decision
in
November
2016,
it
was
very
clear
where
the
boundary
was
very
explicit.
It
was
talked
about
in
public
session.
Why
is
he
taking
you
so
long
to
come
to
the
view
that
this
is
not
the
most
suitable
form
of
development,
so.
F
F
Reason
we
didn't
call
it
in
is
that
at
that
stage
there
wasn't
a
proposal
to
build
on
land,
so
there
was
a
possibility
that
the
council
would
have
sold
the
green
space,
but
there
would
have
been
either
a
covenant
or
an
agreement
with
the
person
buying
the
land
that
they
wouldn't
build
on
it.
So
there
was
a
possibility
had
we
called
it
in
that
response
we
would
have
got
was
well.
F
A
G
Welcome
Tim
Bradley,
who
wrote
the
report
to
after
the
table
and
I'm
gonna,
get
a
brief
precis
of
the
context
of
the
decisions
and
then
I'm
going
to
update
you
on
some
information
that
services,
since
that,
since
the
calling
committee
has
transpired,
so
the
initial
decision
to
dispose
of
the
land
I
think
as
been
pointed
out
by
some
of
the
speakers,
was
made
back
in
November
2016.
And
that
decision
was
to
sell
the
whole
site
of
the
former
elderly
person's
home,
including
the
gardens
laid
out
too
long
which
adjoined
the
site.
G
The
decision
to
call
in
not
to
sit
that
that
executive
report
was
basically
on
the
grounds
of
what
was
being
sold
so
the
land
within
the
red
line
of
the
disposal
rather
than
who
was
being
sold
to
which
I
think
I.
Think
it
gives
it
gives
us
a
pause
about
what
what
that
cut.
That's
that
Colin
was
actually
about
in
terms
of
the
the
definitions
of
green
space
and
open
space.
G
The
consideration
of
the
provision
of
green
space
is
one
that
is
set
out
with
in
the
draft
local
plan,
and
there
are
a
number
of
policies
within
that
that
set
out
how
those
green
spaces
are
provided
for
and
preserved
within
the
development
of
the
city
going
forwards.
The
detail
of
what
gets
built
on
the
site
gets
considered
by
Planning
Committee,
so
really
for
this
executive
committee.
G
G
There
is
a
disused
burial
ground
and
we
sought
legal
advice
on
the
report
that
came
to
you
in
November
about
whether
the
land
formerly
within
the
older
person's
home
laid
out
too
long
qualified
as
open
space
within
any
of
those
definitions,
and
we
were
advised
that
it
didn't.
Therefore,
we
did
not
want
to
take
a
public
consultation
on
that.
It
is
not
common
practice
for
the
council
to
publicly
consult
on
the
disposal
of
its
vacant
assets
and
we
have
a
number
of
situations
where
we've
disposed
on
that,
without
probably
consultation.
G
So
I
think
that
I'll
leave
that
there
for
you
to
consider
in
terms
of
how
that
that
qualen
relates
to
this.
Subsequent
to
the
calling
committee.
We've
had
just
been
notified
today,
formally
by
the
highest
bidder
for
this
site
that
they,
due
to
the
delay
the
highest
bidder,
has
withdrawn
their
highest
bid
and
has
tabled
a
significantly
lower
bid,
which
now
means
they
are
not
the
the
highest
bidder
for
the
scheme.
G
A
G
We've
got
to
discuss
the
commercial
benefits
of
doing
that.
I
would
probably
initially
say
that
we
would
need
to
return
to
the
under
bidders
to
see
to
get
their
best
and
final
office
so
that
we
can
bring
back
to
you
something
that
demonstrates
that
we
are
delivering
you
something
in
which,
and
that
represents
a
best
value
best
con
best
consideration
for
this
site.
H
G
Report
that
we
sent
set
out
in
in
front
of
you,
November
2016,
recommended
that
taking
the
highest
bid
and
that
bid
was
set
at
the
level
in
the
report
and
I
was.
That
was
the
bid
that
sort
of
will
be
drawn.
Given
that
that
has
now
being
withdrawn,
we
can't
simply
say
to
you:
why
don't
you
pick
second
best?
We
need
to
present
that
information
back
to
you
again
in
a
formal
executive
for
you
to
arrive
at
your
second
conclusion.
Just.
H
G
The
commercial
world
will
do
what
it
does
with
the
information
that
it's
now
got
and
having
made
that
decision
with
all
of
the
bids,
not
the
bidders
but
the
bid
values
in
the
public
domain.
In
terms
of
trying
to
deliver
maximum
transparency
that
the
market
has
now
got
a
fair
amount
of
information
on
which
it
will
do
what
it
does
and
I
think
we
can't
predict
what
that's
going
to
lead
to.
We
will
want
to
take
that
exercise
and
bring
that
back
to
you.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments,
members,
no
okay,
right
I,
don't
think
it's
up
to
us
tonight
to
speculate
on
what
might
happen
with
further
discussions
of
the
officers
will
help
with
the
various
bidders.
That's
clearly
something
that
it's
got
to
wait.
A
further
report
number
of
things
I
take
from
this
discussion.
A
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
reconfirm
that
this
is
not
open
space
within
the
definition
of
the
Act
and
the
matter
that
we
have
to
decide
tonight
is
whether
the
sale
should
proceed
on
the
basis
of
the
boundary
of
the
property,
as
reported
to
and
approved
by
executive
in
November,
2016
I.
Think
that's
the
only
question
before
us
tonight.
H
Terrific
come
respond
to
that
at
executive.
I
did
raise
the
issue
of
public
open
space,
and
that's
largely
why
we
are
here
tonight
because
of
the
growing
discussion
across
the
city
in
terms
of
the
open
space,
sports
fields,
recreation,
space
and
those
spaces
within
the
urban
core
that
add
to
the
quality
of
life
at
the
executive.
I
did
raise
that
and
I
know
that
councillor
Fenton
raised
it
at
the
calling
as
an
issue
that
we
need
to
deal
with.
As
a
council
I
remember
at
the
executive
that
discussed
this.
H
There
was
the
Poppleton
neighborhood
plan
discuss
now
the
protection
of
those
pockets
of
space
that
that
give
the
character
of
the
city
shouldn't
be
the
preserve
of
rural
or
suburban
areas
of
the
city.
It
should
be
common
across
the
city,
so
I'd
hope
that
from
tonight
there
would
be
a
resolution
that
that
work
would
be
undertaken
within
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
because
I
think
we
owe
it
as
an
executive
to
demonstrate
that
we
are
not
wishing
to
the
city
in
half
that
we
need
to
bring
people
with
us.
H
The
initial
discussion
was
not
about
a
reaction
against
the
dispersal
of
the
site.
It
was
this
specific
part
of
it
and
if
that
had
been
dealt
with
in
a
different
way
than
we
were
as
I
say,
we
wouldn't
be
here
tonight.
So,
whilst
the
technicality
of
the
:
we're
not
disputing
I,
think
the
whiner
issue
and
in
consequence
of
the
distant
of
the
information
that
would
receive
tonight,
there
does
need
to
be
more
sensitive
handling
of
this
general
point
about
public
open
space,
Thank.
A
You
counsel,
well,
I
think
those
people
would
agree
with
that.
So,
having
said
that,
then,
can
we
get
back
to
the
essence
of
this
decision
tonight,
which
is
to
proceed
with
the
sale?
However,
that
may
be
whether
it's
to
one
of
the
under
bidders
or
whether
we
have
to
market
it
afresh
on
the
bound
of
the
property,
as
reported
to
and
approve
by
executive
in
November.
2016,
yes
agreed.
Thank
you.
That's
the
decision
flight
there's
any
other
business
I
want.
I
H
A
J
From
a
chair
and
green
spaces
has
been
acknowledged
by
a
number
of
speakers
tonight
to
be
tailed
within
the
local
plan,
because
you've
got
to
deal
with
it
as
a
strategic
level
across
the
whole
city
and
then
subsequently
on
an
individual
side-by-side
basis.
The
the
planning
committee
will
consider
the
merits
of
any
particular
plan
in
respect
to
the
green
space
that
it
takes
or
doesn't
take
away
from
the
city.
J
So
in
terms
of
that
strategic
overview,
you
have
a
the
draft
local
plan
coming
back
to
executive
in
January
and
that
will
feed
back
to
you
all
of
the
consultation
responses.
I
think
counsel
Krakow
commented
that
the
Green
Party's
response
will
specifically
highlight
those
issues
around
green
space,
so
you
will
be
able
to
consider
the
matter
of
green
space
on
a
strategic
level
across
the
city
within
that
decision.
J
Obviously,
subsequent
to
submission
of
the
local
draft
local
plan
for
inquiry
will
be
opportunities
for
further
work
to
be
done
on
a
bit
more
detailed
level
at
award
level
once
you've
effectively
determine
your
spatial
requirements
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
We
start
at
the
bottom
and
work
up.
You
will
effectively.
May
end
up
with
a
disconnect
from
your
strategic
vision
for
the
city
that
we
are
setting
out
in
the
local
plan.
So
that
would
be.
The
order
would
suggest
that
you
undertake
that
activity.
J
H
E
A
H
K
Chair
I
think
we
were
out
for
consultation
as
a
listening
council
on
the
fall
and
the
local
plan,
as
well
and
I
think
to
make
a
decision
regarding
future
papers
at
this
present
time
with
public
open
space
which
I
actually
fully
supports.
But
nevertheless,
at
this
stage,
whilst
that's
out
for
consultation,
is
a
is
a
dangerous
place
to
go
into.
I.
Would
support,
waiting
and
see
what
the
residents
on
the
wider
consultation
come
back
with
the
local
plan.
With
regards
green
open
space
before
we
start
making
decisions
and
amending
reports
in
the
future.
A
Well,
we're
gonna
have
a
bit
of
an
impasse.
If
we're
not
careful
here
tonight,
I
mean
we
have
actually
met
tonight
in
response
to
a
calling
in
decision
to
ask
us
to
review
this
sale.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
keep
to
the
script.
If
we
can
and
we've
agreed
that
this
will
go
forward
on
the
original
boundary,
this
hair
will
agree
we'll
go
forward
the
original
boundary
there
is
a
slight
hitch
now,
because
the
apparently
the
top
bidder
has
withdrawn,
or
at
least
signaled
that
he
might
want
to
amend
his
price.
A
Nevertheless,
the
principle
of
this
sale
within
the
red
line
boundary,
which
had
probably
said
now
for
at
least
10
times
tonight,
is
approved.
We
will
give
due
consideration
to
further
disposals,
where
there
may
be
an
open
space
question
whether
that
brings
into
play
local
ward
councillors.
The
residents
think
that's
reasonable.
I
The
assessment
of
the
bids
that
are
there
a
potential
bids
in
the
future
will
be
reflected
in
the
fact
that
this
that
bid
has
been
withdrawn,
as
comes
for
a
while
I
said
earlier,
so
we
need
to
take
all
the
aspects
into
into
consideration
and
council
walas
request
that
green
spaces
issue
comes
in.
That
report.
I
think
it's
quite
reasonable.
I.
L
We
are
incited
to
speak
at
this
table
and
give
them
the
conversate
the
way
the
conversation
is
gone.
Obviously,
that's
slightly
different.
What
I
expected
this
meeting
to
be
about,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
really
what
councillor
Orel
has
just
said
that
the
situation
in
terms
we
talked
about
the
market
and
the
market
deciding
things
well.
L
The
market
has
clearly
decided
that
the
local
residents
are
not
going
to
let
them
build
on
this
green
space,
and
that
needs
to
be
reflected
in
terms
of
the
approach
that
this
authority
takes
to
that
piece
of
land
and
that
needs
to
be
reviewed
before
this
is
police
reports
brought
back
to
you
to
decide
because
there's
no
point
in
in
pursuing
a
line
which
clearly,
the
market
has
taken
fright
at
because
local
residents
are
clearly
opposed
to
what
councillors
proposed
in
its
in
its
pitch.
Well,.
A
J
Just
to
be
clear,
I
think
we
need
to
understand
those
officers
in
respect
of
this
sale.
Do
you
wish
to
sell
all
of
the
land,
or
do
you
wish
to
review
before
you
sell
the
land?
What
I've
heard
so
far
is
that
you
wish
to
sell
the
land
and,
on
that
basis,
we'll
sell
the
land
and
bring
back
proposals
for
the
sale
of
all
the
land.
If
you
would
like
to
review
on
what
land
you're
selling
and
undertake
a
specific
greenspace
analysis
on
this
piece
of
land,
then
we
can
do
that
as
well.
A
As
chair,
my
clear
understanding
from
the
table
tonight
is
that
this
sale
proceeds
on
the
basis
of
the
red
line
boundaries
agreed
it
executive,
November,
2016,
future
disposals
might
need
a
different
approach.
I
think
that
is
the
decision
good.
That
is
the
decision.
Thank
you.
There
is
no
other
business.
The
meat.
J
Just
wanted
real
clarity
on
this
because
effectively
the
York
complaint
in
two
issues
and
our
two
suggester.
You
take
two
separate
votes,
one
in
respect
to
the
sale
of
this
land
and
then
the
second
one
on
the
profit
proposal
by
councillor
Waller
as
to
whether
enough
all
future
sales
should
take
into
consideration
or
whether
you
would
instruct
offices
to
produce
a
separate
paper
to
consider
that
matter,
because
I
think
to
complete
the
two
is
effectively.
Quite.
A
large
policy
decision,
for
which
you
have
not
been
informed,
of
the
impacts
of
them
are.
J
J
J
With
the
green
round,
it
will
be
worth
less
than
with
it
without
the
Greenland
I
mean
the
view,
the
view
the
view
in
respect
of
the
the
broader
impacts.
Obviously,
we
can
go
away
and
look
at
a
raft
of
things,
but
ultimately
the
price
that
you
get
for
the
land
will
be
what
the
Marquis
is
prepared
to
pay
you've
chosen
previously
to
sell
this
whole
land
as
a
package
and
go
to
the
market
with
that
whole
land
as
a
package.
J
If
you
now
wish
to
reconsider
that
and
carve
some
of
that
out,
then
so
we
obviously
will
be
a
smaller
plot
of
land
which
will
reduce
the
development
opportunity.
It
may
I
mean,
as
you've
already
noted
today.
It
may
ultimately
come
back
with
the
price
as
good
as
we've
currently
got.
We
cannot
say
what
the
market
is
going
to
be,
but
my
own
personal
perspective
on
this
would
be
obviously
you're
selling
less
land.
It
was
Lincoln's
eclis,
be
of
less
value
to
a
developer
right.
A
M
A
Understanding
and
I'm
about
to
adjourn
the
meeting
short
because
I
think
this
needs
resolution.
My
understanding
is
that
Leo
has
recommended
two
options.
One
is
a
vote
on
whether
we
sell
the
land
within
the
red
boundary
now
and
the
other
one
is
to
look
at
a
wider
reassessment
of
green
space
across
the
council's
holdings.
For
a
future
report.
Correct,
absolutely
we'll
take
two
votes,
then
he,
okay
with
that
right.