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1. Declarations of Interest 00:03:48
3. Public Participation 00:04:02
2. Exclusion of Press and Public 00:04:23
4. Minutes 00:04:44
5. Application for the renewal of Private Hire Operator Licence by Uber Britannia Limited (Part 1) 00:05:41
5. Application for the renewal of Private Hire Operator Licence by Uber Britannia Limited (Part 2) 01:42:13
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A
You
very
much
welcome
this
afternoon
to
the
the
City
of
York
councils,
gambling
licensing
and
regulatory
committee.
My
name
is
Council
Helen,
Douglas
and
I'm
the
chair
of
this
meeting
today,
declarations
of
interest,
any
councillors
have
any
declarations
of
interest
they'd
like
to
table
at
this
time.
No
fabulous.
A
A
There
are
some
pink
papers
in
this
in
this
pack
and
should
should
any
questions
or
any
discussion
come
from
these
papers.
We
will
be
asking
the
press
and
public
to
public
and
press
even
to
remove
themselves
from
the
meeting,
because
those
items
are
restricted.
Okay,
so
item
number
four
is
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
and
we
all
had
to
look
at
the
minutes
and
happy
to
sign
them
as
correct
sorry,
Chris.
A
C
You
chair,
so
my
name
is
Neil
Ferris
I'm,
the
corporate
director
of
economy
in
place
and
taxi
licensing
falls
under
my
responsibilities,
so
I
just
want
to
outline
for
the
committee
and
for
everybody
within
the
room.
What
this
decision
is
and
is
not
about
so
in
respect
of
what
this
decision
is
not
about.
It
is
not
about
the
validity
of
the
uber
platform,
it's
not
about
the
arguments
for
or
against
drivers
out
of
town
operating
within
the
city.
It
is
not
about
decisions
made
by
other
councils.
C
If
members
do
not
consider
the
operator
fit
and
proper
or
consider
a
shorter
license
period
than
the
usual
five
year
period
is
appropriate,
then
the
committee
needs
to
be
explicit
as
to
the
reasonable
and
specific
grounds
as
to
why
they
have
come
to
that
conclusion,
and
that
is
effectively
the
essence
of
tonight's
meeting
and
the
decision
before
you
I
now
pass
on
to
Leslie
cook
the
licensing
officer.
To
talk
to
the
report
in
front
of
you.
C
The
decision
was
made
in
public
at
the
last
occasion.
The
operator
wished
to
be
members
wish
to
consider
commercial
information
to
the
operator
was
only
able
to
divulge
in
private
members
retired
effectively,
excluding
the
press
and
the
public
from
the
meeting
to
consider
that
commercial
information
and
then
the
meeting
was
reconvened
in
public.
For
the
decision
to
be
made
can.
A
E
The
license
should
be
granted
for
a
period
of
five
years
unless
there
are
specific
reasons
in
a
particular
circumstance
in
the
case
to
justify
granting
the
license
for
a
lesser
period,
applications
for
the
renewal
of
the
license
section
62
of
the
1976
app
supplies
and
provides
the
only
grounds
on
which
an
application
can
be
refused,
and
these
are
detailed
in
paragraph
8
of
the
report
in
the
event
that
the
application
is
refused.
There
is
a
right
of
appeal
to
this
decision
to
the
magistrate's
court
on
the
25th
of
April
2016.
E
E
Uber
Britannia,
limited
operators
licence
with
this
Authority
expires
on
the
23rd
of
December
2017.
There
is
a
slight
error
in
one
of
the
paragraphs
of
the
report.
Their
private
hire
history
with
the
arc
can
be
found
on
pages
9
and
10
of
the
report.
Details
of
complaints
received
since
uber
Britannia
started
operating
in
New
York
relating
to
Hackney
and
private
hire.
Licensed
trade
can
be
found
at
paragraph
23
and
I'm
dr.
Alex
4
of
the
report
just
to
give
members
a
brief
up.
E
There
I
did
another
report
today
on
our
complaints
up
to
today,
and
we've
now
had
314
complaints
regarding
having
a
carriage
and
private
hire
vehicles
and
drivers
and
163
of
these
related
to
complaints
regarding
uber
to
add
members,
details
of
Licensing
authorities
that
if
issue
issued,
uber
Britannia
limited
a
private
hire
operators,
licence
can
be
found
within
annex
1.
The
terms
and
conditions
and
operated
by
you
were
taken
from
their
website
can
be
found
at
an
x5.
E
Members
will
be
aware
that
on
the
22nd
of
September
this
year,
Transport
for
London
refused
to
renew
uber
London
limited
private
hire
operator
license
on
the
grounds
that
they
are
not
a
fit
and
proper
person.
Uber
London
Limited
is
a
separate,
separate
company
and
is
not
the
applicant
in
the
case
that
we
are
dealing
with
today.
E
Members
will
also
be
aware
from
the
applicant
submissions
that,
on
the
8th
of
March,
a
licensing
subcommittee
at
Reading
Borough
Council
refused
to
grant
uber
bretagne
a
private
hire
operators
licence.
That
decision
was
specific
to
the
facts
of
that
particular
case.
As
it's
recently
been
in
the
news.
Members
will
be
aware
that
uber
have
recently
disclosed
that
they
were
subject
to
a
data
breach
in
late
2016
uber
contacted
the
council
following
this
breach
advising
advising
of
the
steps
they
are
taking.
A
At
home,
thank
you
very
much
so
now
we
move
to
the
people
who
have
registered
to
speak
tonight.
The
first
one
is
council
ruling.
So
if
you'd
like
to
take
a
seat
there,
when
it's
your
turn,
if
you'd
like
to
take
a
seat
there,
each
of
you
will
have
three
minutes
and
when
we
get
to
two
and
a
half
minutes,
I'll
ask
you
to
sum
up
what
you
have
to
say
and
after
each
speaker
again,
I'm
just
going
to
remind
you
of
you,
can
then
ask
those
questions
of
that
speaker
at
that
time.
A
F
You
chair,
chair,
I,
came
along
this
evening,
because
I
was
one
of
the
members
of
the
committee
who
made
the
decision
in
December
last
year
to
issue
a
one-year
license
to
uber,
and
although
the
papers
do
give
you
some
background
in
there,
I
thought
it
was
appropriate
that
I
came
along
and
just
talked
through
that
meeting
with
you
tonight.
So
you
had
that
knowledge
base
I
believe
Council.
Look
if
I
recall
was
on
that
committee
with
with
me
at
that
time
check.
F
F
The
committee
was
extremely
concerned
at
that
late
application
and
also
concerned
that,
although
the
license
had
been
ition
previously
for
a
year,
who
had
only
been
operating
in
New
York
for
four
months
at
the
time
that
we
renewed
it,
the
worst,
some
private
sessions
took
place
for
confidential
information
as
discussed
earlier,
but
they
were
not.
But
the
decision
was
made
in
public
and
therefore,
in
that
point,
councilor
Mason
is
is
somewhat
long
chair.
F
We
were
concerned
during
that
meeting
that
there
were
a
large
number
of
complaints
that
had
been
raised
at
uber
and
we
were
four
month
period.
It
had
been
very
difficult
for
officers
to
bring
those
through
to
a
conclusion
and
give
us
the
informed
position,
and
therefore
we
took
the
approach
that
only
one
year
was
appropriate.
I
have
to
express
some
concerns.
F
We
were
gathered
the
papers
this
evening
because
once
again,
I
see
that,
although
there
is
more
detail,
I
hope
you'll
be
drilling
down
on
the
complaints
that
have
been
made
against
them
and
quantifying
that
in
relation
to
the
number
of
uber
cars
in
the
area
compared
to
York
taxi
firms
in
order
to
put
them
into
context
as
I
see,
eight
were
in
a
very
similar
position
and
less
officers
can
give
more
detail
around
the
complaints
that
be
made.
I
question
whether
we
have
moved
on
in
the
last
year.
F
Personally,
although
it's
only
antidotal
comments,
I
have
had
some
personal
concerns
with
regards
seeing
uber
vehicles
in
New
York
area.
These
relate
to
traffic
issues
and
wrong,
turns
and
making
illegal
turns
in
York
and
parking
in
car
parks
the
way
in
fares
and
taking
up
parking
spaces
which
should
be
available
for
residents.
I
appreciate
those
comments
are
very
anecdotal
and
may
well
not
be
able
to
be
taken,
as
as
a
substantive
comments
in
your
decision-making.
F
A
A
F
A
G
Can
be
on
okay,
oh
thank
you
so
good
afternoon
my
name
is
Sofia
I'm,
the
chairman
for
your
cockney
courage,
association,
I'm,
sure
you,
some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
me,
I'm
sure
you're
in
no
doubt
about
why
you
should
not
renew
the
uber
license
for
York.
Many
of
my
colleagues
today
will
outline
various
readings
and
reference
information
before
you
today.
Once
York
only
has
a
handful
of
driver's
license.
G
Uber
are
doing
exactly
what
they
are
very,
very
good
at
and
that
is
systematically
abusing
the
local
laws
and
explicitly
looking
for
loopholes
by
the
use
of
out-of-town
vehicles.
Of
many
who
have
no
knowledge
of
our
city,
lack
of
respect
for
our
roads
illegally
plying
for
hire
on
taxi
ranks
and
breaking
our
traffic
laws
repeatedly.
Furthermore,
furthermore,
and
against
the
current
cross
border
law,
there
sit
on
double
yellow
lines
and
wait
excessively
for
a
would-be
customer.
G
We
have
evidence
for
many
of
these
occasions
and
video
evidence
to
do
it
with
regards
the
illegal
tip
for
fares
in
our
city
overall.
Staying
in
the
name
of
all
taxi
trade
in
York
that
has
enjoyed
an
excellent
reputation,
the
spur
prior
to
any
license
being
is
considered.
You
should
ask
them
the
foreign
question:
who
is
the
actual
contract
with
when
a
customer
makes
a
booking?
G
If
you
wish,
the
trade
does
not
object
to
a
fair
competition.
However,
uber
are
not
a
fair
player
in
the
public
transport
world
in
UK.
Should
the
committee
not
be
fully
satisfied
and
have
any
doubts,
then
I
cannot
see
how
the
license
can
be
renewed
for
any
period.
Therefore,
I
urge
you
to
to
be
the
most
proactive
members
by
refusing
the
application
today
and
offer
no
license
until
you
are
fully
satisfied
now.
I
do
have
a
petition
to
hand
over
and
petition
is
for
safeguarding
the
passengers,
which
reads
we.
A
G
You
and
do
not
want
Ober
license
to
be
renewed.
Uber
are
a
danger
to
vulnerable
members
of
the
public
they
seek
to
take
advantage
by
applying
for
hire
without
bookings,
charge
excessive
surcharges
and
have
individuals
working
for
them
whom
have
no
knowledge
of
our
city.
We
would
like
all
drivers
who
work
in
Europe
to
be
registered
with
the
local
private
hire
company
or
be
hackney
carriage
driver.
We
do.
G
G
It's
a
it's
a
question
that
was
recently
asked
at
the
point
of
the
application
was
submitted,
who
is
the
absolute
contract
with,
for
example,
I'm
a
hackney
carriage
driver,
so
you
as
a
customer?
If
you
remember
the
public,
walk
up
to
a
hackney
carriage
rank,
your
contract
is
directly
with
me
to
provide
that
once
of
taken
back
journey
from
A
to
B
or
from
here
to
London
or
etc,
whereas
with
an
uber,
they
were
unable
to
quantify
who
the
contract
is
with?
G
Is
the
country
actually
with
uber
UK,
uber,
Britannia
or
uber
a
cliff
tomorrow,
or
is
the
contract
with
the
driver,
who
has
traveled
all
the
way
from
London
to
work
in
our
city
as
a
Transport
for
London,
so
they
weren't
able
to
do
that?
Who
is
the
contract
with
and
on
many
vacations?
We
have
drivers
actually
just
sitting
in
the
street,
just
picking
up
a
customer
without
a
booking,
so
who
would
be
liable
if
anything
went
wrong,
uber
or
DFL
or
driver.
A
A
A
I
Thank
you.
Today's
meeting
is
to
decide
if
uber
the
company
are
fit
and
proper
to
build
an
operator's
license
in
Europe
I'm
sure
that
they
will
tell
you
about
the
legal
fact
the
TfL,
but
that's
nothing
to
do
with
you.
You
are
here
today
to
decide
and
and
proper
status
of
over
the
company
in
your
forest
residents.
I
Visitors
and
students
which
you
are
responsible
for
the
safety
of
uber,
is
a
trading
name
which
involves
several
entities
but
all
work
together:
uber
Britannia,
uber,
London
and
Hoover
BV
that
sacs
avoiding
arm
base
of
the
Netherlands
in
the
report.
It
states
the
uber
London
are
not
part
of
this
application.
I
beg
to
differ.
It's
all
the
same
company.
Also
the
same
app
is
across
the
country
are
uber
fit
and
proper.
They
have
been
refused
licences
in
reading
North,
Tyneside
and
Cardiff.
There
be
suspended
in
Sheffield
and
not
renewed
in
London.
I
They
have
walked
away
from
their
applications
and
cruel
that
come
where
it
said,
arrogant,
ops,
repressed
and
walk
in
sand
well
and
buster,
and
that's
all
it's
my
knowledge.
Why?
Because
the
question
has
been
asked
who
accepts
the
book
in
the
driver
or
uber
in
two
legal
cases,
the
answer
has
been
that
uber
I
accept
the
booking
after
the
driver,
as
that's
back
fill
in
an
illegal
almost
simultaneously
does
not
mean
before
this
is
the
same
as
section
19
of
york's
operators
conditions.
I
A
driver
cannot
be
involved
in
the
acceptance
of
a
booking
I'm
sure
that
uber
sales
team,
because
that's
what
the
earth
will
try
to
choose
their
words
to
make
you
think.
Otherwise.
The
fact
is
that
twice
they
have
stated
on
a
court
of
law
that
the
booking
is
accepted
by
the
driver
once
in
Canada
and
another
in
the
UK
tribunal
regarding
workers
rights.
If
all
Brazil
fits
and
proper.
Why
I
was
sat
here
today
this
company
are
so
many
lawsuits
is
beyond
belief.
It's
also
admitted
to
it
being
hikes
and
did
nothing
about
it.
I
So
this
day,
uber
bit
Sonia
is
not
even
registered
on
the
IC
or
database
for
data
protection.
They
simply
don't
care.
Ask
yourselves
this.
Why
so
many
court
cases
in
so
many
countries
what
makes
them
fit
and
proper
here,
but
not
anywhere
else?
They
will
tell
you
about
the
amount
of
customers
that
have
downloaded
their
out.
They
will
tell
you
about
the
amount
of
customers
that
use
the
system.
They
won't
tell
you.
If
it's
legal
or
not,
they
may
tell
you
about
the
investment
in
electric
vehicles.
I
They
won't
tell
you:
is
the
drivers
and
customers
all
paying
for
them?
They
walk
talk
about
the
indian
lady
was
rich
and
they
got
the
medical
records
to
fight
a
bike
with
they
walk.
Tell
you
about
being
hacked
and
keeping
it
quiet
while
they
peered
off
the
ACA's.
They
won't
tell
you
about
all
the
sexism
within
the
well,
it
will
tell
you:
is
care
for
selected
words
with
half
truths
in
them,
30.
I
Were
all
sorts
tell
you
what
you
think
you
once
we're
it's
up
to
you
to
hear
what
they
are
saying,
so
ask
them
to
prove.
If
the
booking
platform
is
legal
and
it's
not,
the
driver
accepts
the
booking,
please
ask
them,
they
usually
just
walk
away
and
make
the
decision
for
you
remember.
Their
company
motto
is
easier
to
ask
forgiveness
than
it
is
permission.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
J
You
thank
you.
Jack
I
have
some
important
numbers
for
you.
Fifty-Seven
million
thirteen
and
seventy
two,
fifty
seven
million
is
the
number
of
uber
counts
that
were
hacked.
Thirteen
is
the
number
of
months
that
it
took
Eber
to
finally
admit
that
they
had
not
only
been
hacked,
but
that
also
paid
a
ransom
to
the
hackers.
Those
13
months
consist
of
nine
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
hours.
They
should
have
reported
the
breach
of
their
security
within
72
hours,
meaning
that
they
sat
on
this
information
for
nine
thousand
288
lat
hours
longer
than
is
legally
allowed.
J
Passenger
safety
has
always
been
a
major
issue
for
us
wherever
are
concerned,
but
now
it's
not
just
their
physical
safety.
It's
their
online
safety,
there's
at
risk.
Your
council
need
to
show
over
that
they
care
about
the
safety
of
their
citizens
and
visitors,
even
if
your
doober
choose
to
disregard
it
completely.
J
This
breach
of
security
had
already
occurred
at
the
point
that
your
pencil
renewed
ubers
license.
Last
year,
you
granted
them
a
license
in
good
faith
based
on
the
information
that
you
had,
which
did
not
include
this
must've
cover-up.
Don't
make
the
same
mistake
again
only
to
find
out
13
months
further
down
the
line
about
something
else,
that's
going
on
right
now
that
you
don't
know
about
don't
wait
to
see
what
little
gem
they
have
in
store,
for
you
just
say
no
to
the
license.
If
somebody
asks
the
right
questions,
they
will
just
walk
away.
J
Let
me
remind
counselors
that
the
LGA
handbook
states
that
you
only
have
to
have
soft
intelligence
to
refuse
the
license.
You
only
have
to
believe
that
they
are
not
fit
and
proper.
You
do
not
have
to
prove
this
I
quote
from
these
years.
We
will
realize
sensing
application
that
it
was
noted
last
year
that,
if
a
license
was
not
granted,
uber
could
still
operate
in
you're
using
out-of-town
drivers,
which
would
mean
even
less
control
over
who
was
operating
in
the
city.
J
Well,
they've
totally
proven
that
they
cannot
recruit
your
drivers,
so
we
have
contended
so
have
continued
to
encourage
out-of-town
drivers
to
come
and
work
in
York
running
roughshod
over
our
city,
not
caring
about
the
consequences,
and
this
is
absolutely
no
reason
whatsoever
to
relicense
them.
Uber
have
deliberately
deceived
the
world
and
they
will
continue
to
do
so.
Do
not
be
a
PI
to
this
deception.
J
A
A
K
You
chair
the
need
to
regulate
the
taxi
industry
was
born
of
the
young,
scrupulous
way
individuals
and
companies
maximize
profit
by
ignoring
such
things
as
vehicle
maintenance
having
the
inadequate
insurance
and
not
worrying
too
much
about
who
was
driving
as
a
result.
With
this,
the
general
public
demanded
local
authorities
step
in
and
take
action,
and,
as
a
consequence,
legislation
and
regulation
developed
over
the
years
with
each
authoritative
its
regulations
to
meet
its
own
particular
needs
and
safeguard
its
local
population.
K
So
we
currently
find
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
we
have
cars
and
drivers
operating
in
our
city
who
aren't
known
to
you.
You
find
yourselves
in
a
position
of
having
to
cede
your
responsibilities
to
other
licensing
authorities
and
hope
they
have
the
same
standard
as
you
for
fortunately
we
know
that
isn't
true.
Today,
you
are
being
asked
to
grant
the
renewal
of
ubers
operator's
license
a
company
that
has
been
excluded
from
countries
and
cities
around
the
world
had
license.
Applications
in
the
UK
refused
and
revoked
in
London
are
now
in
Sheffield.
K
We've
holding
information
from
police
regarding
serious
sexual
assaults
and
other
crimes
committed
by
uber
drivers
and
the
cyber
hacker
result
in
2.7
million
UK
uber
customers
and
drivers
having
their
personal
information
stolen
only
for
uber
to
pay
$100,000
Ansem
then
said
nothing
for
a
whole
year
before
the
information
was
leaked.
Please
bear
in
mind
the
Fred
Jones
ubers,
head
of
cities
immediately
reached
out
to
the
public
to
condemn
TfL
for
refusing
to
relicense
over
in
London,
yet
remained
silent
on
such
a
serious
matter.
K
There
are
numerous
examples
of
this
behavior
and
by
its
own
action.
I
believe
hooba
clearly
demonstrates
is
not
a
fit
and
proper
person,
and
that
is
attitude
of
break
things
now
apologize
later
indicates
it's
not
to
be
trusted
when
assurances
are
required.
Indeed,
on
the
date
launched
in
York,
insurances
were
given,
the
uber
would
only
use
your
registered
drivers
and
cars
and,
despite
repeated
promises
to
its
drivers,
P
promises
to
stop
its
drivers,
picking
up
a
taxi
ranks
and
in
the
train
station
in
particular,
they
still
do
so.
30.
A
M
Good
evening,
I'm
Jim
Lowe
of
chairman
of
fleet
ways,
taxis
in
York
I,
feel
compelled
to
speak
to
you
tonight.
I
have
serious
concerns
for
customers
and
I
think
there
are
rules
for
your
companies
which
don't
seem
to
apply
to
Ober.
If
I
told
my
drivers
to
take
the
following
routes,
I'd
like
to
know
what
would
happen
to
fleet
waste
taxis,
these
are
all
direct
routes
with
no
pickups
on
the
way,
for
instance,
York
station
to
Darlington,
it's
simple
through
the
city
to
whole
Road
across
the
a
64
and
on
to
Darlington
have
checked
it.
M
It's
5.5
miles.
The
operator
uber
tells
their
drivers
to
go
out
with
York
by
a
Tadcaster
road
and
onto
the
bypass
and
round
the
a
64
to
the
Hall
Road
turnoff,
it's
10.1
miles,
there's
no
traffic
excuses.
This
was
12:30
at
night.
There's
another
one
York
station
to
Melrose
gate
is
the
approximately
three
miles
again.
It's
simple
and
the
vehicle
should
be
nowhere
near
the
bypass.
The
operator.
Uber
sells
the
drivers
to
again
use
Tadcaster
road
and
onto
the
bypass
and
around
the
a
64
to
whole
world
and
then
back
into
York
10
miles.
M
This
was
9
p.m.
in
the
evening.
It's
robbery
and
it's
the
operators
are
telling
them
to
do
this.
There's
even
an
uber
routes.
It
suggesting
drivers
cross
the
river
virus
slip
away
at
the
side
of
the
park
in
to
reach
Kearny
Street.
It's
here,
I'll
show
you
the
mall,
can
you
relicense
and
operate
and
it
tells
drivers
to
go
the
long
way
around?
Or
do
you
make
allowances,
because
it's
over,
if
I
told
my
drivers
to
go
the
long
way
around
we'd
lose
our
license.
M
One
final
epic
journey
water
ended
near
the
dog
zone
too
low
Gate
a
journey
of
1.3
miles.
You
could
come
by
a
Lehmann,
Road,
Legere,
Street,
Mittal
gate
and
over
ins
bridge.
It's
very
simple.
The
lady
wasn't
from
York
and
neither
was
the
uber
driver.
There
were
no
pickups
on
the
way
this
turned
into
a
40-minute
journey.
The
Fairweather
yacht
company
would
have
been
about
seven
pounds.
The
lady
was
unfortunate.
The
driver
took
the
wrong
route
and
the
fare
was
thirteen
pounds
and
sixpence,
not
bad,
just
six
pounds
more,
but
uber
surge
pricing.
M
M
We'd
have
taken
this
to
Scarborough,
for
that
Herr
Oberst
statement
confirms
it.
It
confirmed
it
was
5
miles
for
all
three
mile
journey.
I've
only
got
three
minutes.
We
know
how
many
more.
We
know
many
more
examples,
but
how
many
thousands
of
these
do
we
not
know
about
York
companies
do
care,
and
it's
demoralizing,
to
learn
that
these
things
actually
get
away
with
and
to
tell
their
drivers
to
go
the
wrong
way.
Is
this
a
fit
and
proper
company
I'll
say
it
again?
M
A
N
M
This
way
write
this
on
the
on
this
page,
there's
oneness
a
proposed
room
which
the
you
would
get
on
the
on
the
app
saying
which
way
the
drive
is
going
to
take
you,
and
that
was
round
the
bypass
to
get
to
Dunnington
and
there's
another
one
which
was
an
actual
route
where
the
driver
left
York
station
and
went
out
from
the
a
64
Tadcaster
Road
right
around
the
bypass.
So
the
whole
Road
turned
off
then
back
into
your.
M
M
N
M
A
A
D
M
A
Anybody
any
other
members
have
any
questions
how
it's
gone
now
anyway,
no
mines
never
mind,
and
the
next
person
on
the
list
is
Glenn
Jardine,
but
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
that
they've
Glenn
has
arrived,
no,
no,
no
right
and
the
same
with
Bill
Brawley
his
bill,
Brawley
here
slipped
in
through
the
net:
no,
no,
okay,
Lynbrook!
Then
thank
you.
Have
three
minutes:
half
30
seconds
left
I'll.
Ask
you
to
sum
up:
Thank
You.
O
Chair
councillors,
my
name
is
Lynn
Brooke
and
I'm,
the
GMB
trade
union
organizer
responsible
for
members
who
are
private,
hire
and
Hackney
drivers
in
York.
Let
me
give
you
some
concerning
information
about
uber
and
their
operations.
They
failed
to
properly
regulate
their
drivers,
failing
to
carry
out
background
checks.
O
O
O
Their
claims
who
operate
from
an
office
at
Clifton
bar
in
York,
which
is
unmanned
in
October
2016
uber
systems,
were
hacked
and
57
million
worldwide
and
2.7
million
UK
users
and
drivers
accounts
were
stolen.
This
was
only
uncovered
due
to
leaked
to
the
press,
which
was
confirmed
by
uber
from
thirteen
months
after
they
paid
$100,000
ransom.
O
Who
knows
if
this
would
ever
have
come
to
light
if
it
hadn't
been
leaked?
These
are
just
a
small
list
of
issues
which
seem
to
follow
where
uber
operates.
The
private
hire
and
hackney
carriage
drivers
out
of
York
are
trained
to
the
high
standards
to
look
after
the
residents
and
visitors
of
York.
The
visitors
to
this
great
city
are
its
lifeblood
and
should
be
safely
taken
to
their
destinations
by
those
drivers
who
have
the
best
knowledge
of
how
to
get
their
fares
to
where
they
want
to
be
using
the
shortest
surface
and
cheapest
ruse.
O
They
are
the
private
hire
and
hackney
carriage
drivers
of
York.
At
this
meeting
on
the
13th
of
November
2017.
In
the
minutes,
it's
noted
that
the
council,
as
Licensing
Authority,
had
a
duty
to
make
sure
that
taxi
operators
were
fit
and
proper
to
hold
the
York
license.
I
would
say
that
all
the
evidence
shows
that
uber
is
not
fit
and
proper
a
number
of
local
authorities
around
the
country
are
considering
whether
to
reissue
uber
with
licences.
O
N
O
O
O
D
O
D
O
P
This
action
knowingly
lowers
the
safety
of
the
roads
in
our
city.
This
is
a
fact
that
even
the
person
representing
uber
cannot
deny
the
person
who
speaks
for
uber.
Isn't
a
taxi
driver
they're,
not
an
operator,
as
we
know
it,
they're,
not
even
from
York
they're,
probably
a
lawyer,
a
salesperson,
a
PR
specialist
sent
to
our
city
to
sell
you
snake
oil.
They
will
lie
to
your
faces
in
here,
our
council
seat.
This
person
will
say
safe,
reliable,
affordable
all
words.
We
you
they
and
the
public
know
to
be
untrue.
Uber
your
car
not
safe.
P
They
drugged
drivers
from
all
over
England
to
come
here
and
look
at
their
Sat
Navs,
whilst
missing
important
signs
such
as
one-way
street
and
hackney
carriage
rank.
They
will
lie
to
you
that
their
global
I
can't
perform
the
simple
task
of
putting
a
geofence
around
Hackney
ranks
at
a
certain
time
of
day.
Is
that
really
hard
to
program?
This
lies
reliable
is
not
a
word
that
can
apply
to
uber
York.
They
can't
feel
the
fleet
of
ten
cars
a
day.
How
can
you
rely
on
them
another
line
there?
P
Few
York
drivers,
like
the
forty
thousand
in
London,
who
find
alternative
companies
to
work
for,
can
be
welcomed
back
into
the
local
trade.
Affordable,
come
up
with
fares,
sometimes
over
four
times
the
rare
I
charge.
How
can
they
say
that
word
with
straight
faces?
That's
right,
they
can.
Their
words
are
crooked.
Their
business
model
is
crooked,
their
entire
premises
bent
like
the
laws
they
run
roughshod
over
laws.
P
You
can
uphold
laws
to
protect
people
who
visit
our
city
and
those
of
us
who
wish
to
live
here
safely
when
the
you
per
representative
stands
up,
look
into
their
eyes
when
they're
when
they
say
safe,
affordable
or
reliable.
Look
again,
do
you
trust
them?
Can
you
will
you
see
them
we'll
just
a
little
under
your
gaze,
because
even
they
don't
believe
the
words
they're
being
paid
to
say
nobody
pays
me
to
say
this
and
I
say
it
from
the
heart
we've.
Q
Thank
You
chair
for
allowing
me
to
speak
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
as
well
as
many
of
the
previous
speakers,
because
I
can
obviously
tell
they're
speaking
from
the
heart
as
it
affects
their
workplace.
I
would
like
to
save
the
labour
councillor
for
Clifton
ward
I've
met
with
taxi
drivers,
representatives
from
the
private
ire
associations
and
many
passengers
in
my
ward,
and
have
concluded
that
this
application
from
the
transport
set
company
uber
fails
the
fit
and
proper
test
to
be
awarded
a
renewed
licence.
Q
I
want
you
ought
to
embrace
innovation
and
new
technology
and
to
be
a
home
for
exciting
new
companies,
the
help
residents
by
providing
services
that
are
accessible
and
affordable.
However,
all
companies
in
our
city
must
play
by
the
rules
and
adhere
to
the
high
standards
we
expect,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
the
safety
of
customers.
I
have
serious
concerns
about
public
safety
with
the
way
the
company
in
question
has
operated
in
various
locations
both
locally
and
in
locations
right
across
the
globe.
Q
Since
he
started
off,
I
feel
that
ubers
approach
and
conduct
demonstrate
a
lack
of
corporate
responsibility
in
relation
to
reporting,
serious
criminal
offences
and
the
fundamentals
of
its
obtaining
medical
certificates
and
Driver
background
checks
nationally.
There's
evidence
to
show
a
lack
of
response
to
serious
sexual
allegations
made
against
uber
drivers
elsewhere
in
the
UK,
and
such
inaction
is
a
clear
risk
to
the
safety
and
security
of
the
public.
Q
The
apparent
use
of
specialist
software
to
prevent
uber
being
subject
to
regulatory
checks
indicates
the
lengths
the
company
may
go
to
in
avoiding
the
level
of
scrutiny
in
checks
that
every
taxi
in
private
I
affirm
should
be
subject
to.
If
the
public
is
soft,
trust
and
confidence
in
it
as
provider
of
local
Transpo,
the
company
has
shown
itself
unable
to
secure
its
customers
personal
data
of
ways,
as
we've
previously
heard
from
previous
speakers
and
there's
every
chance,
of
course,
that
the
breach
included
details
of
people
living
and
working
here
in
York
locally.
Q
There
is
obvious
growing
concern
about
illegal
pickups
playing
for
hire,
lack
a
clear
enforcement
about
uber
cabs,
using
the
taxi
ranks,
and
also
the
firm
being
given
preferential
treatment
by
this
authority
on
race
days
at
the
naves
mayor,
which
is
not
fair
or
equitable.
To
the
wider
private
hire
trade
in
the
city
and
I
am
under
no
illusions.
The
rejection,
ubers
application
will
remove
the
problems
associated
with
the
way
the
company
operates.
30.
A
Q
Given
the
deregulation
Act,
but
nevertheless
there's
an
important
message,
we
should
send
about
this
city
and
the
way
we
operate.
Our
standards
are
high
and
we
should
aim
to
maintain
those
standards
and
send
a
message
that
they
should
not
be
undermined.
We
cannot
and
should
not
simply
look
the
other
way
when
there
are
practices
that
could
be
put
in
the
public
safety
at
risk.
Providing
an
innovative
service
is
not
an
excuse
for
it
being
unsafe
and
I,
therefore,
urge
members
of
this
committee
to
reject
the
application.
A
N
Q
D
Q
R
Q
D
S
Afternoon
councillors
I'll
keep
it
brief.
My
name
is
Neil
McGonagall
and
head
of
cities
for
Rebecca
Laster
north
of
England
just
want
to
outline
some
of
the
reasons
why
we're
applying
to
renew
our
operators
license
with
your
council
over
the
course
for
the
last
12
months,
we've
seen
a
steady
increase
in
the
number
of
people
looking
to
use
the
service
we
provide
within
New
York,
there's
now
over
28,000
people
that
regularly
use
uber
app
to
get
from
A
to
B
within
the
city.
S
S
Getaway
on
this
city,
I'm,
very
proud
of
the
service
that
we
provide
to
those
28,000
people
personally,
I,
believe
the
increased
choice
in
competition
is
a
good
thing
for
both
passengers
and
drivers
in
terms
of
help
and
increased
standards
across
the
board,
but
I'm
also
very
proud
of
the
relationship
with
being
able
to
develop
with
the
council
and
with
licensing
over
the
course
of
the
year.
There
are
numerous
examples
of
where
we've,
where
cooperatively,
as
a
licensed
private
higher
operator
throughout
the
Tattler,
say
initial
issue
or
to
improve
something
in
a
say
in
the
area.
S
Don't
include
Communications.
We
push
out
to
drivers,
for
example,
safe
places
to
park
or
taking
a
break
using
technology
within
the
app
to
actually
address
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
reported
around
private
hire
vehicles,
picking
up
on
hack,
new
ranks
or
near
hack
new
ranks.
On
your
occasion
where
there
has
been
a
driver,
who's
committed,
an
offense
while
using
the
app,
for
example,
plan
for
hire.
We've
been
incredibly
open
and
cooperative
with
the
council
in
providing
all
information,
they
need
to
bring
a
prosecution
and
then
finally
working
with
their
parties.
S
They
like
to
the
racecourse
the
like
to
the
railway
station,
so
again
use
the
technology
within
the
app
to
actually
improve
and
optimize.
The
experience
for
a
passenger
being
picked
up
so
I'm
really
clearly
keen
to
be
able
to
not
only
maintain
that
relationship
with
the
council,
but
ideally
to
build
upon
it
over
the
coming
years,
and
that's
why
we've
submitted
the
application
to
renew
our
operating
situation.
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
consider
it
I'm
sure
the
Micra
some
questions
so
happy
to
where
to
take
him.
Does.
H
S
Think
there's
two
separate
things
here:
the
booking
is
absolutely
accepted
by
uber
Britannia
limited
as
the
holder
of
the
driver
operator's
license,
and
that
has
to
be
the
case
in
order
to
comply
with
the
regulation
and
ensconced
in
the
1976
Act.
In
terms
of
the
contract,
there
is
a
contract
for
booking
services
that
sits
between
uber
Tanya
limited
and
the
passenger.
That
would
have
no
apologies.
We
are
never
to
legal
a
bit
too
technical,
but
that
would
include
all
of
the
provisions
of
the
1976
acts.
S
That's
basically
things
like
you
know
as
an
operator,
maintaining
booking
records
or
handling
lost
property
or
that
type
of
thing.
The
contract
for
transportation
services
sit
between
the
driver
and
the
passenger,
there's
nothing
within
the
regulatory
framework
that
would
prevent
that,
and
indeed
it's
actually
quite
model,
with
a
large
number
to
private
higher
frames
around
the
UK.
S
So
the
contract
for
the
booking
services
is
between
uber
and
the
passenger.
It's
the
contract
for
the
transportation
services
uber
as
the
operator
accepting
the
booking
and
compliance
with
all
of
the
conditions.
We
need
to
comply
with
peer.
The
1976
act
that
contract
for
booking
services
sits
squarely
between
uber
and
the
passenger,
and
that's
where
the
compliance
with
a
1976
outcomes
in
that
I've
got
a
wine
from
our
legal
team.
Why
I
don't
think
that.
B
S
So
it's
our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
every
booking
is
dispatched
to
a
quaver
hire
driver
that
holds
our
hire
driver
license
that
matches
the
private
hire
vehicles
of
the
vehicle
of
buttons
being
dispatched
to
and
for
ensuring
for
that
vehicle
that
we've
got
full
documentation
with
its
MLT
insurance
or
whatever
that
we
recalled
for
that
particular
vehicle.
Okay,.
B
S
B
S
I
guess
it's
it's
where
we
use
technology
to
our
advantage,
so
I
think
I
was
quite
confused
by
some
of
the
statements
were
made
for
it
before
about
background
checks.
I
think
accounts
for
the
nation
probed
on
a
little
bit,
because
that's
that
responsibility
in
terms
of
DBS
checks
quite
clearly
sits
with
the
local
authority,
and
you
can't
obtain
a
private
higher
driving
license
with
any
local
authority
within
England
the
whales
without
gone
through
discovering
bad
and
say
between
the
background
checks.
S
So
what
we
do
with
a
I
guess
for
uber
is
as
a
driver
to
have
a
count
of
active
uber
account.
You'd
need
to
have
a
valid
travel,
hire
driver's
license
and
a
valid
dvla
card,
and
our
technology
would
capture
that
documentation
and
importantly
capture
the
expiry
date
of
it
for
the
vehicle
at
drivers.
Looking
to
use
would
then
look
to
hold
a
valid
prover
hire
vehicle
license
and
all
t
certificate
and
certificate
of
insurance.
Again
all
of
those
documents
would
be
verified
and
would
have
the
expired
maintained.
S
Our
systems,
what
that
means
and
where
we
use
the
technology,
is
as
soon
as
one
of
those
documents
would
lapse
expire.
So
it
goes
beyond
this
expiry
date
without
being
renewed
or
replaced
by
the
driver,
then
that
drivers
access
the
account
is
immediately
suspended
until
such
a
time
as
they
replace
the
documents.
So
we
are
always
confident
that
the
drivers
and
vehicles
that
are
active
on
nubra
have
a
full
set
of
valid
documentation
associated
with
it
to
provide
driver's
license,
whether
it's
an
MLT
or
whether
it's
a
day
and
insurance
certificate.
Does
that
answer?
H
S
S
Be
a
combination,
the
the
booking
will
be
the
spot
to
whatever
happens,
to
be
the
most
convenient
locations,
driver
and
vehicle.
For
that
particular
passenger.
The
reason
we
do
that
is
it
keeps
down
well,
it's
good
for
the
passenger
and
seems
obviously
make
sure
they
get
a
vehicle
as
quickly
as
possible.
S
T
Thank
you
very
much.
Each
other
I
think
that
one
of
the
crops,
this
matter
is
actually
within
this
document,
which
is
your
document,
which
is
the
terms
and
conditions
that
the
hirer
would
accept
if
they
were
to
enter
into
that
contract
with
ya
and
I.
Think
that
one
of
the
crucial
parts
of
that
document
now
the
limit
limitations
and
liabilities
I'd
like
you
to
comment
on
this
section
please,
this
is
under.
T
S
T
This
is
on
it's
actually
just
a
book
number,
six
in
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
document,
terms
and
conditions,
booking
service
terms
and
I'd.
Like
you
to
comment
on
this
on
this
particular
section,
which
is
the
indemnity
section,
and
it
says-
and
this
is
the
message
to
the
the
higher
so
to
speak-
you
agree
to
identity
and
Emily
Phi
and
hold
over
and
its
officers,
directors
and
employees
and
the
agents
harmless
from
any
and
all
claims
demands
losses,
liabilities
and
expenses,
including
attorney
fees
arising
out
of
or
in
connection
with
your
use
of
service.
T
R
You
for
the
app
services,
so
it's
not
really
relating
to
the
use
of
the
not
really
relating
to
the
booking
services,
and
also
just
comment
that
the
vast
majority
of
private
hire
operators
in
this
country-
don't
even
have
written
terms.
So
all
of
that
stuff
is
done.
You
know
on
a
very
kind
of
low
level,
so
the
limitation
liability
exceptions
you've
just
been
out.
There
relates
to
the
use
of
the
app
and
not
sort
of
for
booking
services
themselves.
It's.
T
R
As
I
said
before,
that
relates
purely
significantly
to
the
app,
not
that
not
the
booking
services
with
which
six
debating
with
uber
britannia
admittance,
so
I
think
the
determinant
that
you're
reading
out
there,
the
variety
terms
with
uber
bv,
which
they
govern
the
use
of
the
app
which
is
used
by
over
tango
nudity
in
much
the
same
way
as
many
other
private
operators
around
the
country
license.
Technology
such
as
skyline
other
other
apps,
which
is
booking
services.
So.
S
You
access
a
manner,
that's
not
relevant
at
all
to
the
contract
for
the
booking
services,
which
relates
representatives
hire
operator,
which
is
really
material
to
the
debate
were
having
and
the
role
of
who
would
be
V
which
licenses
the
software.
The
app
that
user
might
have
an
as
iPhone
would
be
a
completely
separate
subject
and
debates
earth.
What
was
sweetness.
T
I
feel
that
you're
making
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make,
which
is
that
appears
to
me,
that
the
relationship
that
a
potential
user
of
an
uber
car
makes
is
actually
with
an
app
and
not
with
a
person,
and
the
licensing
is
for
a
person
and
it
clearly.
The
relationship
is
with
an
app.
We
have
an
empty
office
in
Clifton
to.
S
Give
an
example:
it
might
help
clarify
what
would
you
bait
me
so,
the
software
out
there
called
a
cabbie
which
is
similar
to
remove
it
it
it
allows
you
to
you,
know:
flight
operators
provide
services
in
that
based
way
him
so
I
cabbie
in
provide
that
software
they're
not
related
to
any
particular
private
hire
operator.
If
they
say
it,
an
operator,
I,
don't
know
fail,
operator
cause
or
the
Narnians
Cubs
and
happened
to
use
that
HIV
software
to
see.
If
it's
passages
they
would
be.
You
know
a
similar
contract
for
the
customer.
S
That's
using
that
a
cabbie
software
on
his
smartphone,
that's
the
equivalent
of
uber
BV.
It's
just
license
and
they
did
the
app
the
software
to
be
used
on
the
smartphone.
The
actual
operation
of
you
know
you
were
within
New
York
using
York
licensed
vehicles
and
drivers
is
one
group
of
Italian
limited
as
an
operator
you
know
represents
about
myself
and
a
mind
today.
That
is
what
people
are
attending
them
to
look
after
what.
U
R
V
R
A
R
A
U
S
So
that
would
be
I
guess
and
it
will
differ
from
authority
to
Authority
what
obligations
sit
without
the
operator
or
the
vehicle
proprietor
in
terms
of
conducting
its.
Yet
there
might
be
certain
authorities
where
there's
a
requirement,
for
example,
on
the
operator
to
can
they
conduct
a
set
number
of
random
checks
at
the
base
every
week,
which
will
do
then
all
the
policies
required
as
part
of
the
conditions
or
the
authorities.
W
You
chair,
you
mentioned
in
response
to
one
of
the
earlier
questions
about
dead
mileage
and
the
environmental
advantages
of
that
yeah
do
do
an
analysis
as
drivers
are
coming
from
sometimes
hundreds
of
miles
to
over
doing
an
analysis
of
the
amount
of
death
mileage.
There
is
in
all
those
drivers,
traveling
from
all
over
the
country.
S
So
I
think
what
it's
saying:
I
need
to
take
something
like
they
stay
in
New,
York,
again,
I
think
it's
probably
fit
without
the
grant
and
we're
here
to
debate
the
legislation
and
a
regulation
around
cross-border
driving
up
the
debate
for
for
this
specifically
commit
to
here
anymore.
If
you've
got
a
large,
you
know
waste
they,
if
you're
the
race
course,
then
I
think
it's
actually
my
view.
Is
it's
actually
beneficial
to
have
a
larger
number
of
vehicles
available
to
help
save
us
into
space?
S
W
D
S
The
issue
was,
and
the
reason
that
the
operator's
license
was
suspended
was
because
in
Sheffield
Council
issued
an
officer
probably
be
familiar
with
this
to
section
73
notices
asking
us
to
respond
to
four
specific
questions.
Unfortunately,
there
was
a
fairly
fundamental
admin
area
within
the
council,
which
meant
that
those
letters
were
sent
to
an
address
that
actually
didn't
exist,
and
so
the
letters
will
never
receive
by
you
there
and
we
have
met
with
Sheffield
City
Council
resolved
the
matter.
S
We've
answered
all
the
questions
that
they
originally
wants
us
to
answer
and
that
suspension
has
now
been
lifted.
I
believe
cher,
City
Council
will
be
making
that
statement
public,
if
not
already
into
my
mouth,
that's
lifted
a
suspension.
Yep
it's
lifted,
I
met
with
Sheffield
City
Council
this
afternoon.
Well,.
D
S
Was
to
do
with
a
section
73
request,
so
it
was,
it
was
asking
for
specific
questions
and
it
was
sent
to
the
wrong
address
it.
It
was
a
mixture
of
I
couldn't
address
and
for
whatever
reason,
missed
that
half
of
the
address
of
the
missed
out
they
bill
the
name
that
the
floor
number
would
also
for
an
incorrect
post,
called
links
were
all
addressed.
The
council
did
that
it.
D
D
S
Me
yes,
a
couple
of
points.
One
is
and
it's
difficult
to
comment
on
specific
examples.
The
passenger
in
is
always
given
an
indication
of
what
their
equal
pay,
but
certainly
what
the
fair
will
be
in
advance,
including
any
search
based
on
a
time
app,
dynamic
pricing
that
might
be
applied,
so
the
passion
you
always
has
that
informed
decision
on
whether
they
want
to
take
the
journey
or
not,
and
that
there's
no
a
guest
kind
of
human
direct
and
a
driver
take
all
particular
route.
S
If
there's
an
algorithm
within
the
app
that
looks
like
two
sets
out
what
is
deemed
to
be
the
quickest
most
efficient
moods,
but
the
driver
is
not
forced
to
follow
that,
and
if
the
passenger
has
a
preferred
with
some
best
practices,
we'd
always
advised.
That's
the
passage
it
if
they
have
a
preferred
group
to
want
to
take,
then
the
driver
is
completely.
S
You
know
at
liberty
to
take
that
where
we
do
get,
and
we
do
K
inbound
to
a
customer
service
team
to
complain
about
being
overcharged,
that
the
drivers
taking
on
take
the
manor-house
would
take
no
notice
a
circuit,
serious
route
again,
the
beauty
the
technology
we
use
is
will
be.
Our
customer
service
agents
can
immediately
see
what
destination
the
passengers
import.
What
route
was
originally
that
the
price
was
what
the
estimate
was
based
upon?
W
L
B
The
price
gets
in
and
it
goes
in
a
very
long
route
and
then
partway
through
that
long
journey.
If,
if
they've
been
directed
right,
particularly
if
it's
directed
around
the
ring
road,
they
will,
it
will
be
a
long
you
open,
it
will
be
a
long
journey
if
the
surcharge
then
kicks
in.
Might
they
not
get
this
that
surprise
at
the
end
of
the
journey?
No.
S
Because
that
the
sage
could
see
its
charge
and
wouldn't
it
would
come
into
effect
before
the
journeys
commenced,
because
it's
all
to
do
with
how
what
level
of
cost
and
demand
exists
in
the
area
the
customers
walking
to
take,
and
either
from
at
that
particular
time,
so
the
surge
pricing
would
always
be
applicable.
The
only
reason
that
price
will
increase
then
would
be
if
the
route
taken
was
longer
than
the
route
that
the
passenger
was
expected
to
take.
R
S
B
If
they
take
the
route
that
they've
been
directed
on
and
that
journey
is
longer
than
expected,
because
of
being
given
a
very
congested
route,
for
instance,
that
which
local
drivers
would
know
about
uber
drivers
at
an
out-of-town
drivers
probably
wouldn't
know
about.
Could
that
increase
the
costs
not.
S
Necessarily
you'll
find
that
a
lot
of
drivers
in
this
day
and
age
will
use
Waze
and
because
you
can
outfit
that
the
best
knowledge
of
a
particular
city
or
town
and
know
all
the
quickest
route
and
the
can
about
ones
and
that
for
you,
you're
never
going
to
have
real
sound
knowledge
of
the
matter.
Being
you
know
a
pile
up
on
that
that
enrolled
or
that
might
be.
You
know
a
certain
set
of
old
works
that
have
been
introduced
on
a
road.
S
You
might
not
travel
down
for
a
week,
so
we'll
send
to
find
a
lot
of
drivers
this
day
and
age.
We'll
use
Waze
anyway,
and
the
diffusive
technology
like
Waze
is.
It
will
take
all
of
our
inter
accounts
and
bad
actors
behind
the
driver
down
what
will
be
the
quickest,
most
efficient
route
to
get
to
the
destination.
So.
B
S
The
price
could
have
if
it's
taken
a
lot
longer
at
the
end
of
that
journey.
You'd
rather
have
if
the
driver
felt
that
they
were
at
fault.
For
some
reason,
then
the
driver
is
through
their
version
of
the
app
able
to
flag
that
and
request
that
the
fare
should
be
reviewed
and
the
juice
or
of
the
customer
themselves
would
agreed
at
what
they've
been
charged,
because
it's
more
than
what
do
an
estimated
before
they
took
the
trip.
S
A
We
aren't
really
meant
to
be
discussing
the
uber
platform,
but
I've
allowed
some
of
those
questions
to
go
ahead
simply
because
they
are
actually
I
think
applicable
to
to
how
Oberer
operates
here.
Although
I
know
the
comment
that
Neil
first
made
earlier
about
the
platform,
so
I've
lived
it
like.
Oh
does
anybody
have
any
further
questions
for
either
Neil
or
I'm?
Sorry,
I
didn't
catch
your
name
sweetie.
Why
cancel
Heys.
T
T
A
T
It's
highly
what
I'm,
trying
to
we've
got
a
series
of
complaints.
We
know
how
many
complaints
there
are.
We
have
897
drivers
that
are
registered
in
York,
of
which
ten
of
them
we
know
our
uber
drivers.
So
therefore
I'm
trying
to
establish
what
is
the
balance
between
the
number
of
drivers
coming
to
York
and
the
complaints
that
are
being
given
again.
S
A
N
A
C
A
major
that
question
was
considered
last
year
by
members
in
coming
to
their
conclusion
and
agreed
at
that
time
to
divulge
that
remember
that
information
to
members
of
the
committee
making
the
decision
in
private.
So
if
you
wish
to,
obviously
we
were
willing
to
do
so
again,
you
may
wish
to
exercise
the
right
to
take
that
information
in
private.
If
you
choose
to
do
so,
I.
T
S
K
S
V
S
T
A
Else
got
any
question
other
questions.
No
okay,
then,
do
you
wish
to
it,
so
my
plan
would
be
for
the
members
to
withdraw
to
the
other
room.
While
we
go
ahead
with
this
question,
rather
than
asking
everybody
in
the
audience
to
shift,
because
I
think
this
on
balance
fewer
of
us
so
we're
going
into
the
lumen
room,
yes,
which
is
why
do.
A
A
A
C
Thank
You
chair
just
like
to
start
off
by
responding
to
the
comments
that
were
made
around
the
council
giving
preferential
treatment
to,
but
the
authority
does
not
give
preferential
treatment
to
any
operator.
Its
officers
apply
the
council
policies
equally
to
all
companies,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear,
particularly
because
there's
so
many
representatives
of
the
trade
within
the
room.
C
Secondly,
I
just
write
to
look
at
the
software
provider
that
the
software
provider,
in
terms
of
the
platform
itself,
as
I
said
at
the
start
of
the
meeting,
is
not
making
the
application
for
the
license.
It's
common
I
understand
for
within
the
trade
for
different
pieces
of
software
to
be
used.
That
is
like
a
matter
for
consideration
this
evening.
C
Fifthly,
in
respect
of
for
Felicia,
to
say
in
respect
of
the
issue
of
who
the
contract
is
with,
this
would
apply
to
a
number
of
other
operators
in
the
city
so
where
the
drivers
themselves
are
self
employed,
we
have
a
licensed
operator
center
in
the
city
and
the
drivers
are
all
self
employed.
It's
a
similar
arrangement
to
that
that
was
described
by
uber
in
the
fact
that
the
booking
is
made
with
the
company,
but
the
actual
contract
for
transport
is
with
the
individual
driver.
That
was
not
the
case.
C
Then
then
the
employees
that
put
themselves
forward
is
self
employed
within
the
city
would
become
employees
of
those
companies
which
they're
not
so
it's
not
an
unusual
model
in
that
regard,
and
finally,
I
would
refer
back
to
many
lose.
What
are
the
issues
raised
in
respect
of
the
data
protection
Bri?
C
This
is
a
relevant
matter
for
members
to
consider
in
respect
to
the
fit
and
proper
test
for
uber
Brittani,
because
obviously
they
were
custodians
of
the
data.
However,
I
would
refer
members
to
the
fact
that
this
is
the
subject
of
an
ongoing
information.
Commissioner
investigation,
which
is
yet
to
concludes,
we've,
got
to
understand
what
that
conclusion
is
for
in
respective
how
you
wish
to
consider
it.
C
Finally,
I
would
just
refer
back
to
my
statements
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
This
decision
is
solely
about
the
fit
and
proper
use
of
the
fit
improper
nature
of
uber
britannia
to
hold
a
license
on
the
balance
of
probability
that
the
of
the
information
before
you
it's
not
to
consider
other
matters
if
you
determine
to
take
give
Ober
a
uber
britannia
a
shorter
license
period.
You
need
to
give
explicit
reasons
for
doing
so
and
equally,
if
you
determined
not
to
provide
them
with
a
license
as
well.
A
B
A
E
Well,
we've
had
far
complained
to
it
in
relation
to
over,
one
of
which
related
to
a
claim
that
no
one
was
working
in
their
office.
So
that's
more
of
a
complaint
regarding
the
operator
itself
rather
than
a
licensed
driver.
Well,
we
one
of
our
licensed
drivers
were
witness
doing
an
illegal
left
turn
and
they
received
a
written
warning.
One
drive:
we
received
one
complaint
that
a
vehicle
was
not
displaying
its
license
plates
which,
as
you
know,
if
they
have
to
legally
display
on
the
front
and
rear
the
vehicle.
E
However,
that
vehicle
at
that
time
was
operating
on
temporary
place.
Therefore,
there
can
be
in
the
windows
and
one
is
in
relation
to
a
driver's
conduct,
and
that
item
is
in
the
hands
of
the
police
at
this
moment
in
time
and
on
receipt
of
that
complaint
and
long
receiving
and
sharing
information
with
uber,
he
was
removed
from
their
platform
and
we're
awaiting
a
decision
with
regard
to
how
the
police
are
taking
that
forward.
Okay,.
A
B
Just
to
clarify
that
you
were
talking
about
the
four
complaints
about
York
licensed
uber
drivers,
so
you
wouldn't
be
aware
of
necessarily
aware
if
they're
not
licensed
in
York,
because
they
could
be
booba
drivers
working
in
York
but
not
licensed
here
is
that
so,
although,
although
you're
saying
there's
only
been
the
full
complaints
about
uber
drivers,
there
York
license
do
for
drivers.
There
are
a
lot
more
uber
drivers
in
York
than
those,
because
a
lot
of
out-of-town
ones.
E
If
members
go
to
an
annex
form
of
the
report,
there
is
a
detail
list
with
regards
to
all
the
complaints
and
that
we
have
received
whether
they're
in
relation
to
uber
vehicles
and
out-of-town.
All
the
vehicles
like,
for
example,
since
the
license
regime
you
leaned
on
the
21st
of
December
last
year,
we've
had
thoughts
for
complaints
about
Bradford,
licensed
uber
vehicles
and
then
on
the
second
page,
about
on
page
forty,
going
on
to
page
41.
It's
an
complaints
relating
to
York
drivers
and
vehicles
or
vehicles
and
driver's
license
by
this
Authority.
E
X
E
L
N
E
For
same
say,
who
York
license
private
hire
up
of
greater
could
legally
pass
that
book
into
AB
license
private
hire
operetta
book
it
from
Leeds.
Where
previously
you
haven't
been
able
to
do
that,
you
could
only
pass
a
book
into
another
licensed
private
hire
operator
within
your
home
authority
area,
so
you
allowed
to
do
a
cross-border
booking.
So.
E
E
U
E
U
U
E
U
W
W
N
E
From
the
perspective
in
York,
we
we
don't
put
any
obligations
on
a
private
hire
operator
to
do
checks
on
drivers.
We
do
all
the
necessary
checks.
We
do
the
date.
Disclosure
and
barring
service
check,
we'll
make
sure
they've
had
a
group
to
medical
and
all
the
other
checks
that
have
to
be
going
to
take
and
a
private
hire
operator
may
take
it
upon
themselves
to
do
similar
checks
if
their
wish.
But
we
do
that
as
a
licensing
authority.
Thank.
E
D
You
and
on
their
restricted
papers,
obviously
there's
a
copy
of
the
applicants,
application
and
there's
a
section
that
says:
have
you
ever
been
refused
to
license
yes
or
no
and
then
provide
details?
What,
when
you
design
that
form
and
have
that
question
what
what
was
the
inference
of
that?
What
what
would
as
an
office
say
if
you
were
considering
a
company
say
they
went
to
another
company,
wanted
to
open
up
that?
Had
other
companies
closed
down
or
refused
to
license?
Why
was
that
question
built
in
what
was
it?
What
was
it
for?
D
It's
obviously
to
get
something
about:
they've
been
fit
and
proper
toward
the
license,
because
you're
asking,
if
they've
had
me
to
take
it
away,
I
just
wondered
how
that
would
be
used
or
what
the
guidance
is
around
that
question
and
they
do
it
fluffy,
because
I'm
not
really
sure
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
but
I
hope
you
could
understand
what
I'm
trying
to
get
her.
It's.
E
E
A
B
I
suppose
the
questions
but
for
Neil
Braley
and
you
you've
you've,
told
us
what
we
should
be
considering
what
we
shouldn't
be
considering
really
and
what
how
we
should
be
dealing
with
a
fit
and
proper
that
question.
So
at
this
council,
we're
really
proud
of
our
equality
stance.
So
should
we
not
be
considering
that
there
are
no
wheelchair
access
accessible
vehicles
provided
by
overall,
they
don't
have
a
policy
of
providing
a
certain
number
of
wheelchair,
accessible
vehicles.
I
know
there
are
none
operating
in
York
by
uber.
Is
that
not
something?
C
Think
in
respect
to
the
council's
own
policies,
these
are
obviously
things
that
we
make
of
the
Bison
Singh
committee
may
wish
to
consider
a
new
aspect
of
the
policy.
Tonight's
decision
is
about
the
fit
and
proper
operator,
not
the
nature
of
the
vehicles
they're,
providing
we
don't
make
it
a
requirement
of
the
operators
across
the
city.
If
that's
a
will
of
members
to
try
to
do
that,
and
obviously
has
something
for
a
policy
matter
to
take
forward.
But
tonight's
decision
is
about
the
fitness
of
the
operator,
not
their
aspirations
of
the
counseling
respective
policy.
Okay,.
T
In
terms
of
the
fit
and
proper
person
aspect
of
this
I
mean
this
is
obviously
was
to
be
crucial
to
the
whole
debate.
I
mean
with
we've
got.
We
know
that
there
are
296
complaints
of
which
155
relate
to
rubra
vehicles,
so
we
can
see
that
that
that
that
there
isn't
it
an
imbalance
there.
We
won't
go
into
the
numbers
because
that's
obviously
confidential
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
cars
etc.
But
to
me
this
relationship
with
fit
and
proper.
T
We
seem
to
be
discussing
this
as
though
it
were
a
person,
but
we
really
have
a
very
remote
person.
We've
got
somebody
who
is
applying
to
York
from
London,
but
nonetheless
that
person
may
well
be
applying
around
the
world
because
there's
a
reference
to
China
and
and
America
within
these
various
connections.
So
it
is.
We
operate
as
a
local
authority,
viewing
York
from
our
perspective
and
try
to
mention
maintain
those
standards,
we're
not
actually
dealing
with
the
person
here.
A
U
Yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
information,
I'm
still
a
bit
I'm,
not
quite
sure
this
connection
between
uber
and
the
drivers,
whether
that's
actually
a
a
safe
aspect
when
it
comes
to
getting
into
a
taxi
a
standard
taxi.
Is
you
assumed
that
your
contract
is
with
the
company
if
you
booked
eight
or
it
was
an
independent?
It's
with
that
taxi.
U
Yet,
therefore,
you
pay
me
for
that
way
or
you're
booking
with
who
you
think
you
are
booking
who
are
in
the
World
Wide
Web
whatever,
and
you
think
that
they
are
the
person
that
you
are.
You
have
a
contract
with
not
to
me
that
isn't
safe
anywhere,
where
this
uncertainty
is
not
safe
and
that's
father.
My
concern
with
the
the
fact
that
there
aren't
these
answers.
U
Yes,
it's
possibly
a
tax
situation
that
by
mooney
from
ditched
it,
but
if
I
was
getting
into
attacks
I
would
hope
so
when
I
booked,
he,
that
is
the
company
I,
would
go
on.
So
if
something
happened
rather
than
an
independent,
don't
work.
What
he's
responsible,
whereas
this
is
it's
very
unclear,
because
the
insurance
doesn't
say
it
says
the
company's
insured.
A
U
It's
about
the
fact
that
when
we
come
to
these
tests
about
what
their
drivers
checked,
his
vehicle
or
whether
they
are
checked
regularly,
when
they
turned
up
to
do
a
session,
are
they
inspected
in
say
they
were
coming
from
leaks?
Are
they
inspected
there
before
they
come
here,
and
then
they
start
work
here?
Are
they
inspected
here
and
then
they're
actually
going
to
then
start
playing
here?
There's
none
of
that
information
is
that,
which
is
why
I
was
trying
to
give
up
who
actually
provides
the
information.
C
Operator
because,
obviously,
you've
got
some
confusion.
It's
not
unusual
to
have
a
self-employed
driver
and
the
members
of
the
public
books
with
a
company.
We
have
operators
in
the
city
that
use
that
mocked
methodology,
so
you
are
using
the
same
concept
effectively.
You
have
a
self-employed
driver
and
you're
booking
with
a
another
entity.
C
They
are
the
operator
if
the
operators
licence
we're
looking
at
this
evening
in
respect
to
that
driver
who
that
respect
to
that
driver
who
pays
you
rightly
say
the
member,
the
public
has
a
degree
of
expectation
and
confidence
with
they
have
to
be
a
licensed
driver
for
the
purposes
of
the
deregulation.
Act
that
drive
that
does
not
work
any
longer,
have
to
be
a
licensed
driver
for
York.
C
U
D
Y
Yes,
it
is
that
simple
that
the
test
is
whether
or
not
it's
a
fit
and
proper
operator,
whether
or
not
that
legal
entity,
the
company
Britannia
limited,
is
one
that
you
feel
confident
is
fit
and
proper
in
the
way
that
they
have
carried
out
their
role
as
an
operator
in
the
city.
There
are
other
factors
as
well.
You
can
take
into
account
that
are
wider,
for
example
the
data
breach
and
how
they've
dealt
with
that
that
goes
to
how
fit
and
proper,
and
that
entity
is
so
that
would
be
relevant
for
you
today.
Y
How
they
deal
with
complaints
is
relevant,
how
they
deal
with
taking
people
off
the
platform
if
there
have
been
complaints
and
and
how
they
go
about
managing
the
business
generally.
These
are
all
issues
that
go
to
whether
or
not
they're
fit
and
proper.
The
issue
that
is
very
live
at
this
meeting
is
the
issue
of
drivers
from
other
authorities
coming
to
work
in
York.
There
is
nothing
York
can
do
about
that.
Y
What
the
licensing
authority
have
done
outside
of
this
meeting
is
to
work
closely
with
the
other
authorities
in
terms
of
enforcement
and
checks,
etc,
because
it's
an
issue
for
the
city,
but
the
license
today
isn't
about
that.
This
decision
is
about
whether
or
not
uber,
Britannia
limited
are
considered
by
yourselves,
based
on
the
information
you've
heard
to
be
fit
and
proper
to
continue.
L
D
A
H
B
What
we
should
be
considering
is
that
we
will
be
if
we
allow
uber
and
other
license,
then
what
we
are
doing
is
accepting
that
they
are
fittin
a
fit
and
proper
company
and
that
we
don't
have
any
concerns
about
their
operations,
including
the
data
breach
and
I.
Think
that
the
it's
a
bit
of
a
red
herring
to
say
that
if
the
license
isn't
granted
out-of-town
cars
can
still
come
into
York.
We
know
that
I
think
everybody
who's
been
following.
This
would
know
that
sorry,
so
I.
T
Thank
you,
I,
had
the
misfortune
have
been
involved
in
a
hearing.
I
were
involved
in
a
couple
of
hearings,
actually
in
which
I
had
the
misfortune
to
deprive
that
taxi
driver.
The
York
taxi
driver
of
his
of
his
ability
to
work,
and
the
reason
I
was
able
to
do
that
is
because
what
had
occurred
could
only
be
verified
by
the
operator
and
the
operator
in
the
in
this
particular
case,
I
was
calculating
the
details,
but
the
operator
knew
every
single
detail
as
to
what
had
gone
on.
They
knew
precisely
what
was
happening.
T
They
knew
about
where
the
person
was
picked
up,
where
they
were
taken
to
what
had
happened
and
the
entire
detail
behind
that,
and
it
was
as
a
result
of
that
information
that
I
could
put
hand
on
heart
and
say
this
is
the
correct
decision.
The
this.
This
taxi
driver
is
not
fitting
properly,
but
I
would
not
have
been
able
to
do
that
if
that
operator
had
not
had
that
knowledge,
because
that
knowledge
was
what
made
me
able
to
make
that
decision
and
I'm,
not
sure
of
mr.
Fred
Jones.
T
T
What
we're
looking
at
is
a
very
uneven
playing
field
and
they
don't
even
play
in
field
in
which
high
standards
have
to
be
applied,
taxi
drivers
in
York
and
when,
when
something
goes
wrong,
those
high
standards
can't
be
maintained,
and
that
is
the
weakness,
and
that
is
why
I
believe
that
I
have
worries
about
their
fit
and
proper
nature
that
that's
that
would
be
mine.
Major
concern.
H
You
chair,
one
of
my
concerns,
is
to
do
with
the
way
that
the
the
company
knows
that
they've
got
twenty.
Eight
thousand
calls
to
do
and
they've
taken
that
business
on
knowing
that
they've
then
got
to
subcontract
to
somebody
else.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
that's
good
and
proper
business
practice
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
night.
A
N
All
of
those
I
think
all
members
and
all
citizens
wants
and
expects
a
high
standard.
You
know
high
standards
from
our
taxi
drivers
them
from
taxi
companies
and
I.
Think
it's
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
for
this
council
to
maintain
and
to
improve
standards
if
these
can
be
undermined
and
undercuts
buyouts
at
sound
drivers.
N
Now,
while
I
appreciate
that
uber
has
introduced
new
technology,
it's
the
ends
of
the
business
and
I've
seen
other
companies
in
York
now
using
technology
which
enables
you
to
track
it's
actually
online
I.
Don't
believe
that
uber
is
a
satisfactory
operator
to
be
working
in
the
city.
There
is
such
a
large
number
of
complaints
against
them.
How
there
is
a
large
number
of
complaints
and
half
of
those
complaints
over
half
of
those
complaints
relates
to
the
drivers
and
concern
that
drivers
may
be
unfamiliar
with
our
roads
and
make
mistakes
which
put
passengers
at
risk.
N
N
N
X
I've
heard
everything
that's
been
said
tonight
and
I've
heard
some
of
the
arguments
around
the
table
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
any
further
forward,
because
I
think
one
of
the
problems
is
the
arguments
have
been
about
specific
instances
of
things
that
are
actually
out
of
control
of
out
of
this
Council's
control.
Unfortunately,
I
think
we
would
all
like
to
have
more
control
over
the
the
drivers
that
that
that
private
raid
in
the
city,
wherever
they
come
from,
but
the
fact
is
that
we
don't
because
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
within
our
gift.
X
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
being
said
by
members
of
muddied
the
waters
a
bit
I
wasn't
quite
sure
what
what
councilor
wells
meant
by
people
subcontracting
out
I
wasn't
under
the
impression
that
any
of
these
people
have
been
subcontracted
out
of
the
services
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
business
that
councillor
Richardson
raised
is
this
correct?
We've
heard
actually
that
there
are
a
number
of
manure
use,
a
particular
platform,
but
other
companies
use
very
similar
platforms
with
sir
very
similar
arrangements
for
passengers
and
I.
X
Don't
think
any
of
us
get
in
and
ask
the
driver
whether
or
not
they're
self
employed,
whether
or
not
they're
employed
by
somebody.
What
would
happen
if
they
had
an
accident
I,
don't
think
we
do,
then
anybody
I,
don't
think
any
operator
would
ask
a
would
inspect
their
taxis
their
vehicles
every
day,
which
is
what
counsel
riches
and
suggested
users
should
be
doing.
X
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
information,
quite
understandably,
that
that
we
can't
take
into
account
and
I
think
that's
the
difficulty
that
I'm
still
having
in
that
I
think
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
are
extremely
serious,
but
with
refusing
or
or
allowing
this
license
actually
won't
affect.
Some
of
the
concerns
that
things
expressed
in
this
room
tonight,
I
for
me,
I,
think
the
one.
X
The
thing
that
is
of
great
concern
and
which
we
can't
actually
take
into
account
now,
is
the
data
breach,
and
that
might
be
a
reason
if,
if
members
wish
to
give
a
license
to
restrict
it
to
a
year
on
the
grounds
that
we
might
wish
to
wait
until
we
know
what
the
result
of
the
Information
Commissioner
is
I
think
that
it.
That
is
the
reason
I
think
it
I
don't
know
I
mean
it
might
be
that
we
could
say
because
of
the
data
breach.
X
We
want
to
refuse
the
reisen's
whether
or
not
that
would
be
strong
enough.
Given
that
there's
still
an
investigation,
I
don't
know,
but
it
might
be
a
reason
if
members
wanted
to
go
that
way
to
restrict
it
for
a
year,
but
I'm
still
I
still
would
like
to
hear
what
other
members
say,
because
I
say
I
was
still
finding
great
difficulty
in
assimilating.
Z
You
I
was
still
waiting
for
the
debate.
Like
councilor
reader
I
was
still
undecided.
Having
read
the
papers,
I'm
still
undecided,
I
think
it's
very
unfair
to
lump
all
over
drivers
or
sexual
predators.
I
think
that's
like
equating
or
lorry
drivers
to
being
like
the
Ripper
or
all
doctors
mean
like
shipment.
Everybody
is
just
trying
to
do
a
job.
You've
got
good
apples
and
particles
in
all
trades
over
at
is
used
all
over
the
world
by
millions
of
people
in
York.
It's
mainly
the
young
people
who
use
it
and
I
think
maybe
as
well.
Z
T
In
terms
of
my
direct
experience,
my
daughter
uses
uber
extensively
and
as
far
as
I
was
concerned,
she's
always
had
a
perfectly
good
service,
however
I'm
in
a
position
tonight
of
having
to
decide
on
on
a
licensing
issue,
and
that
licensing
issue
is
about
the
fit
and
proper
Ness
of
this
operator
and,
in
my
view,
I
think
that
there
are
concerns
about
in
the
worst
case
scenario
and
I.
Think
that
clearly,
the
vast
majority
of
uber
drivers
will
be
a
fit
and
proper
people.
But
we
do
not.
T
U
Thanks
just
to
come
back
on,
that's
really
the
points
are
is
making
this
that
if
you
are
self-employed
and
you're
working
for
a
company,
it's
clear
that
you
work
for
the
company.
You
could
be
anything
you
could
be
fed
blogs
from
Birmingham
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
you
go
and
work
for,
say
a
1
MUX
spreading,
you
are
a
warm-up
spreading
and
that's
clear.
U
We
have
situation
where
we
have
vehicles
that
have
a
sign
saying
they
are
uber
and
by
putting
uber
on
the
vehicle
it
clearly
makes
it
gives
an
opinion
that
that
is
uber.
Now
you
may
argue
about
well
that
this
thing
about
its
weather
efficient,
proper
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
do
you
expect
a
company
to
carry
out
checks.
Yes,
do
you
expect
companies
to
make
sure
that
people
working
for
them,
because
by
putting
that
uber
sign
up
to
me,
is
you
are
working
for
uber?
U
Therefore,
there
is
a
connection
between
the
two
and
I
would
expect
some
sort
of
safety
checks
and
some
sort
of
backup
system.
So
that
information
is
there
to
say
the
people
we
are
employing
are
safe,
etcetera,
etcetera
without
counsel
Heiser
said
you
know,
I'm,
not
saying
all
of
the
drivers
about
it's
that
small
percentage
that
may
not
be
carrying
out
the
checks
they
may
have
didn't
for
a
long
way
and
they're
coming
in
and
they're
carrying
out
by
maybe
two
hours
or
10
hours
II.
U
There
is
not
there's
no
clear
information
about
how
that
is
checked
from
the
company.
So
if
then,
is
the
company
carrying
out
what
some
may
call
a
moral
responsibility,
some
would
say:
health
and
safety
wise.
It's
a
responsibility!
That's
the
question
to
me
and
it's
great
but
I'm,
sorry
to
say
that
it
isn't
base
the
fact
that
they
go
around
with
a
sticker
on
saying,
uber
they're
not
saying
I
am
Fred,
Bloggs,
taxi
and
they're
getting
there.
U
You
go,
do
it,
which
is
clear
it's
clearly
over
on
the
vehicle
and
then
there's
the
question
about
training,
about
what
train
we
ask
or
the
track
see
drivers
to
take,
and
then
this
is
what
they're
self-employed.
So,
therefore,
should
we
be
insisting
that
they're
doing
training
this
too
and
the
argument
a
Germany
Grail,
is
about
safety.
B
Would
consider
a
fit
and
proper
person
to
hold
a
licence
for
a
taxi
company
would
be
somebody
who
knows
the
drivers
who
and
and
in
it,
in
local
based
offices,
they
know
their
drivers.
They
know
who's
on
which
on
what
shift
on
which
day
and
they
met
they
up.
They
know
them
personally,
they
all
know
them
personally,
because
they
work
for
a
small
company.
A
Okay,
have
we
finished
debating
then?
Have
we
all
said
everything
we
want
to
say
on
this
topic?
Yes,
okay,
members.
On
page
ten,
we
have
three
options
available
to
us,
which
would
be
option
1
to
grant
their
new
of
the
license
with
the
5
year
or
to
grant
the
renew
the
license
with
conditions
of
for
a
lesser
period
if
it
wants
to
be
four-year
or
refused
the
application
entirely.
I
need
somebody
to
table
something.
Counselor
Chris.
B
You
need
specific,
on
the
basis
of
it,
on
the
basis
of
the
data
breach,
initially
I'm
sure
that
other
members
will
come
out
with
other
reasons,
but
the
data
breaches
of
a
great
concern
for
people
who
who
live
in
this
city.
You
know
you
people
can
take
over
their
identities
with
that
and
the
fact
that
that
the
company
were
granting
the
license
to
is
a
company
that
failed
to
report
it
at
the
appropriate
time.
We
don't
know
what
else
they're
hiding
if
they're,
hiding
that
ok.
A
A
N
C
But
don't
think
you've
got
any
evidence
of
that.
We
have
a
stack
of
evidence.
That's
not
evidence
that
the
company
directs
and
that's
evidence
in
respect
of
a
specific
journey
that
was
taken
a
different
route
from
that
was
which
was
originally
before.
There
was
no
evidence
that
the
company
directs
people
on
longer
journeys.
C
So
in
respective
the
staffing,
it
isn't
a
requirement
that
the
offices
is
stabbed
in
respected
the
the
liability.
The
specific
response
from
the
applicant
was
that
the
liability
that
has
been
referred
to
by
members
was
in
respective
the
software
application
grant
from
the
actual
provision
of
the
services
as
operator
or
driver
and,
however,
the
complaints
matter.
The
number
of
complaints
and
the
consideration
of
complaints
would
be
a
material
matter
for
members
to
consider.
A
C
C
You
say,
I
fully
have
a
huge
amount
of
sympathy,
remembers,
the
the
legislation
and
I
think
all
officers
would
reflect
in
has
been
reflected
by
our
members.
The
legislation
itself
is
very
difficult,
but
so
offices
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
particularly
difficult
in
in,
and
it's
trying
to
assist
you
to
your
decision,
but
they're.
The
grounds
have
to
be
specific
as
to
why
you
do
not
consider
this
operator
to
be
fit
and
proper
in
the
context
of
the
fact
that
you
license
other
operators
in
the
city
as
well.