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AGENDA
1. Declarations of Interest
2. Minutes
3. Public Participation
4. Plans List
4a. *Item withdrawn* Land Lying to the West of Metcalfe Lane, Osbaldwick, York (15/00754/FULM)
4b. Imphal Barracks, Fulford Road, York, YO10 4HD (15/01055/FULM)
5. Enforcement Cases Update
6. Appeals Performance and Decision Summaries
7. Any other business which the Chair considers urgent under the Local Government Act 1972.
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A
A
A
C
Update
is
such
chair,
apart
from
the
circulated
update
in
terms
of
additional
conditions
recommended
from
highways
officers,
one
further
representation
regarding
the
design
of
the
building
and
the
applicants
request
that
we
change
condition
for
to
relate
to
requiring
details
of
cycle
parking
prior
to
commencement
of
development
rather
than
within
three
months.
Of
this
permission,.
A
A
D
For
those
who
weren't
on
site
yesterday
on
Tuesday,
this
really
is
a
block
for
servicemen.
Coming
back
from
Germany
and,
quite
frankly,
I
can't
think
of
one
objection
to
this
development
in
any
shape
or
form.
I
have
to
say,
I
do
have
a
wry
smile
and
talk
about
cycling.
A
lot
of
these
people
are
going
to
be
I
use
the
word
transient,
transit
in
transit
as
they
gone
to
the
units
and
I'm
pretty
certain
that
we're
not
going
to
be
knee-deep
in
service
recycling
out
of
info
barracks
down.
D
A
E
I
should
say
something:
susie
see
my
ward,
I'm
sorry
I
wasn't
able
to
get
to
the
site.
This
is
very
busy
time
when
I
work
at
the
moment
working
to
college
and
but
I
think
from
reading
the
report-
and
you
know,
as
I
said
it's
clear-
that
this
is
additional
accommodation
for
servicemen
who
are
going
to
be
placed
here.
E
So
but
if
they're,
you
know
they're
all
going
to
be
based
here,
it
may
well
be
that
the
facilities
are
going
to
be
suitable
for
them,
and
certainly
we
do
want
to
encourage
walking
cycling
in
the
ABE
in
the
neighborhood,
given
that
full
40
desert
air
quality
management
area
I'm
very
congested
at
busy
times.
So
anything
we
can
do
to
encourage
other
means
of
transport
is
very
welcome.
A
Castle
is
gone,
are
quite
a
lot
of.
It
is
for
personnel
in
transit.
There's
not
not.
All
of
it
is
yet
personal
short
term
accommodation
for
personal,
in
transit
to
other
bases,
so
perhaps
coming
back
from
Germany
and
before
they
sent
to
wherever
they
go.
No
and
there'll
be
larger
units
for
personnel
based
permanently.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
mixture,
but
most
of
it's
for.
A
E
A
Any
other
comments
no
going
to
move
to
the
vote,
then
all
those
in
favor
of
the
application
please
show
any
against.
No,
that's
unanimous.
Thank
you
very
much.
All
right
move
on
to
agenda
item
6,
which
and
sorry
five
from
too
far
gender
item
5
on
page
55,
which
is
the
planning
enforcement
cases
update
you'll,
have
realized
from
this
that
we're
no
longer
attaching
to
the
agendas
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
sheets
for
members
to
have
to
wade
through
everybody
should
have
been
provided
with
updates
for
their
ward
and
also
weekly
you're.
A
C
No
just
obviously
apologies
for
them
not
being
issued
prior
to
the
subcommittee
for
those
members
that
are
on
that
sort
of
chemistry.
The
intention
was
to
have
them
all
with
all
wad
members
bye
week,
last
Thursday,
rather
than
the
start
of
this
weeks
of
apologies
for
that.
But
we
know
the
systems
up
and
running
properly
will
ensure
that
it's
issued
at
the
same
time
as
the
appropriate
subcommittee
on
a
quarterly
basis.
F
C
A
If
they've
got
a
problem
with
a
particular
enforcement
issue
than
bringing
it
here
when
all
the
officer
will
have
to
go
into
private,
where
all
the
officer
can
do
is
is
update
you
and
they
could
update
you
either
before
or
after
maybe
we
need
to.
Perhaps
we
ought
to
look
at
whether
they
could
be
available
before
the
meeting
officers
or
whether
we
just
make
it
that
people
doing
I.
Don't
oh.
F
Well,
certainly
with
18
like
this,
where
there
was
virtually
nothing
on
the
agenda,
he
won't
abounded,
that's
Albania
and
setting
park.
The
question
is
burning.
Man
were
just
getting
these
as
Ward
reports.
Now.
Are
we
free
as
counselors
to
circulate
them
to
other
councillors
if
we
think
they
may
have
a
concern?
F
For
example,
the
derwent
felt
word
again:
it's
just
total
disregard
of
the
working
hours
again,
but
most
of
the
complaints
seem
to
be
coming
from
the
other
side
now,
which
is
in
old
ward,
and
obviously
those
counselors
won't
see
where
those
complaints
are
arising
from
unless
I
then
pass
them.
Are
we
allowed
to
do
that.
C
F
Final
question
is:
has
there
been
a
problem
with
the
enforcement
department
RR
the
olin
ology
at
the
moment,
because
the
feedback
that
we've
had
from
certainly
old
with
Parish
Council,
is
that
just
cannot
get
hold
of
anybody.
The
cata
get
answers
very
male
or
on
the
telephone.
That's
why
I
was
particularly
keen
to
see
whether
they
were
here
today.
C
A
Think
on
relation
to
your
30
of
middle
point,
about
forwarding
on
it
might,
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
that,
it
might
be
a
good
idea
just
to
keep
Jonathan
in
the
loop
so
that
you
know
and
and
then
that
means
that
possibly
in
the
future
you
can
share.
If
it's
happening
regularly,
then
it
might
be
that
that
there
will
be
those
those
need
to
go
to
other
other
board
members
as
well.
A
I
mean
with
this
is
certainly
this
is
this
is
a
new
system,
it's
a
bit
of
a
see
how
it
goes
rather
than
giving
us
those
this
way
at
least
met.
Errol
members
know
what's
happening
in
their
ward
other
under
the
old
system.
You
only
only
those
members
sitting
on
planning
committee
got
the
list
of
the
enforcement
cases,
so
at
least
this
way
every
member
knows
what's
happening
in
their
own
ward
and
can
ask
the
appropriate
questions.
Councillor
Duvall,
yes,.
E
I
can
see
the
logic
of
of
what's
happening.
I
think
that
my
main
concern
would
be
if
all
all
members
of
the
Planning
Committee
are
not
seeing
full
range
and
it's
more
difficult
to
pick
out,
what's
a
trend
or
identify
particular
trends
across
the
whole
authority,
as
opposed
to
things
which
are
just
an
issue
in
your
award,
so
it's
but
more
difficult
to
get
that
sense
of
you
know
what
what
is
peculiar
tea
or
water
as
an
enforcement
issue,
and
whether
that's
the
widespread
concern.
E
So
that
may
be
something
that
could
be
addressed
through
some
sort
of
overall
report
planning
committee
without
necessarily
having
the
full
detail
of
every
case.
But
at
least
the
reference
numbers
of
people
want
to
look
at
them.
They
can
then
find
out
further
detail.
The
other
point
is
I
think,
given
the
greater
emphasis
that
we've
placing
on
ward
committees
and
ward
teams,
I
mean
just
bit,
some
of
us
were
at
the
training
last
their
last
night.
E
I
think
it
would
be
useful
if
there
could
be
a
report,
at
least
of
award
teams
about
enforcement
cases
within
ward.
Now
the
neighbors
push
it.
If
I
meant
a
capped
accountant,
council
offices
can
kanak
sess
the
information
I
suppose
if
for
people
who
are
attending
those
meetings
are
externally
organization
may
be
an
issue
about
confidentiality,
but
certainly
the
counselors
and
the
support
officer
could
have
that
information
available
and
maybe
invite
the
relevant
enforcement
officer
to
those
war
team
meetings.
So
they
could
answer
questions
but
on
a
local
basis.
E
E
B
D
So
can
I
just
say:
I
from
town
I
accept
that
I
don't
probably
have
as
many
enforcement
cases
as
of
the
walls,
but
nevertheless
I
do
have
enforcement
cases.
Some
of
them
cause
concern
to
nearby
residents
the
majority
generally
speaking,
dumb
I
don't
have
a
problem
whatsoever.
If
somebody
rings
me
up
and
says,
fred
bloggs
is
building
a
five-star,
a
block
of
flats
in
his
back
garden.
What
you're
doing
about
it?
I
can
get
on
to
whomsoever.
Ok.
D
I
accept
that
you
know
enforcement
officers
by
the
very
nature
of
the
job,
don't
sit
in
front
of
a
computer
eight
hours
a
day,
but
I'm
usually
get
hold
of
an
enforcement
office.
Who
will
say
to
me
fred
bloggs
is
telling
you
a
lot
of
stories
or
we
take
it
on,
but
I
just
do
not
have
any
problem
in
sorting
out
the
enforcement
cases.
D
I'll
get
information
on
the
enforcement
cases
that
I
have
in
my
patch
and
I
do
understand
that
don't
have
as
many
as
someone
probably
not
as
contentious
as
some
but
I
think
to
start
going
down
going
backwards,
as
he's
been
suggested
in
having
some
form
of
listing
to
this
me.
Quite
frankly,
I
have
to
say
trends,
neighboring,
Ward's,
fine,
I,
don't
really
get
televek
sighs.
It
is
an
enforcement
case
in
broccoli
for
Huntington.
D
That's
up
to
the
board
members,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
back
to
again
having
reams
of
paper
sitting
around
the
UN
going
page,
one
page,
50,
page
60.
Let's
just
give
this
a
fair
trial.
If
you've
got
a
problem
with
it
ask
get
the
information
it's
there,
you
can
ask
the
officers
I,
don't
want
to
go
back
to
having
with
too
much
prepared
for
agencies
anyway.
D
G
And
see
both
sides.
One
of
my
concerns
would
be
that
the
reports
that
were
getting
her
really
just
about
new
cases
and
particularly
concerned
about
539
investigations
remaining
open
and
the
fact
that
certainly
those
of
us
who
are
new
members
are
going
to
have
no
information
about
that
or
know
how
that's
being
resolved.
A
A
So,
on
a
weekly
basis,
you'll
get
the
new
ones
for
everywhere,
and
obviously
that
gives
you
a
chance
if
you
are
in,
if
you
have
got
a
concern
about,
let's
just
over
the
border
that
will
flag
that
up
for
you
and
then
on
a
quarterly
basis.
You'll
get
the
ones
the
update
on
all
the
ones
in
your
water
right
at
missing
that
one
go
yeah
yeah,
but
I.
Take
I.
Take
the
point
that
maybe
we
need
to
have
some
report
at
the
end.
What
yearly
on
the
trends
or
something
like
that?
A
If
anybody
else
has
any
comments
as
the
as
the
system
goes
on,
if
they
feed
them
into
Jonathan,
and
then
we
can,
we
can
see
how
it
goes
and
we
can
tweak
it
if
necessary,
but
I
am
and
if
anybody
does
have
problems
actually
contacting
enforcement
officers
and
again
Jonathan's
the
one
to
point
that
out
too
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
item
6
is
sorry.
H
I
was
going
to
say:
is
that
I
think
it's
quite
straight
for
and
I've
got
the
list
of
outstanding
cases
in
our
ward
that
we're
getting
the
new
ones
coming
on
a
weekly
basis
and
if
there's
anything
that
we
think
is
relevant
to
counselors,
in
other
words,
for
instance,
someone
who's
doing
something
in
various
parts
of
the
city,
then
we
can
just
pass
it
on
to
them
and
discuss
it
with
the
appropriate
officer.
So
I
agree
with
counsel
Galvan's,
give
it
a
try
right.
C
Nothing
to
add
to
the
report
chair,
obviously
the
analysis
that
paragraph
five
points
out
that
actually
better
than
the
national
average.
At
the
moment
that
does
fluctuate
because
it's
a
lower
number
overall
of
cases
that
percentage
just
tend
to
fluctuate.
But,
as
things
stand,
we
were
doing
quite
well
against
the
sudden
national
benchmark
about
thirty
four
percent
allowed.
G
I
Thanks
jack
I'm,
just
question
regarding
the
implications
and
specifically
the
financial
implications,
as
well
as
a
question
as
much
a
statement
really
am,
as
the
allowed
appeals
fluctuate.
How
does
that
affect
in
terms
of
costs,
or
do
we
see
trends
in
terms
of
people
trying
to
claim
costs
and
the
converse
you
know:
do
we
lose
out
on
costs
claimed
forum
spurious
appeals.
C
A
world
of
cost
is
quite
rare,
as
it
appreciate
get
a
very
small
number
each
year,
probably
one
or
two
possibly
three
I.
Think
of
the
last
12
months.
We've
had
probably
two
awards
against
the
authority,
but
then
we've
just
recently
heard
an
award
in
favor
of
the
authorities.
They
just
tend
to
balance
out
overall
thinkin
the
amounts
are
relatively
small.
They
tend
to
relate
to
fairly
small
cases
where
it
was
a
couple
of
hours,
work
for
it
and
a
consultant
perps,
but
it
doesn't
tend
to
have
a
huge
impact
at
this
level
anyway,.
D
Are
I'm
surprised
haven't
been
picked
up
on
page
67,
the
green
dye
silane
appeal,
which
was
allowed
on
the,
and
it
seems
to
be
that
he
was
allowed,
because
if
you
read
the
last
two
sentences,
which
I
find
a
little
disturbing
I'm,
whether
it's
whether
they
were
right,
whether
the
appeal
should
have
succeeded
or
not
I
do
find
that
a
little
bit
odd.
Now,
okay,
we
all
know
other
is
the
argument
says
precedents
are
not
set
I.
Think
in
reality
terms.
D
Often
inspectors
do
look
at
previous
inspectors
comments
on
said
and
a
little
bit
concerned
about
that.
It
reminds
me
the
one
that
we
had
a
couple
of
years
ago
where
they
said
that,
because
the
neighbors
haven't
objected
whilst
they
agreed,
it
was
an
over
oversized
extension,
the
neighbors
and
objects,
so
they
agreed
agreed
with.
It
seems
to
me
to
be
a
bit
odd.
That's
all
I'm
surprised
that
that
wasn't
picked
up
by
other
members.
I
don't
have
a
problem,
so
that's.
A
F
What
is
officers
opinion
now
of
the
HTML
thresholds
for
determining
other
edge
of
our
applications?
Now,
in
particular,
I've
made
this
point
before
that,
if
it
can
be
allowed
way
over
those
thresholds?
Similarly,
it
should
be
dismissed
below
those
thresholds.
We've
never
sought
exhibited
up
until
the
one
at
pangolins,
very
much
flexibility,
refusing
him
below
the
threshold.
C
Joe
that
would
depend
on
particular
circumstances
of
the
case.
If
the
officers
felt
there
was
a
case
for
refusal
due
to
a
parent
harm
or
evidence
of
her,
even
though
the
professionals
may
not
have
been
breached,
then
we
would
recommend
refusal
in
the
cases.
I
would
imagine
so
far.
When
it
had
been
below
the
threshold
we
recommended
approval,
then
we
haven't
been
convinced
that
there
is
an
argument
to
refuse,
in
worst.
F
Cases,
presumably
this
inspectors
actually
made
a
case
now
for
refusing
them,
if
they're
quite
some
distance
away
from
the
higher
education
areas.
If
it's
acceptable
over
the
way
out
of
the
threshold,
because
it's
near
to
the
University,
it
ought
to
be
acceptable
to
refuse
them
below
the
threshold.
If
they're
away
from
the
University
there's
a
lot
of
things,
you
can
read
into
what
these
inspectors
decisions.
C
Now
there
is
a
lot
you
can
read
into
them
that
there
are
individual
decisions.
We've
had
one
recently
at
75
has
into
road
which
we're
in
the
throes
of
potentially
challenging
or
seeking
legal
advice
as
to
whether
we
could
challenge
that,
because
we
didn't
feel
it
was
an
appropriate
decision
from
the
Inspectorate,
but
so
the
are
considered
individually
by
each
inspector,
the
looks
of
them
in
terms
of
the
thresholds.
They
are
applied
across
the
city
and
we
have
to
do.
That
is
a
consistent
article
for
direction.
C
F
One
last
question
on
a
different
matter:
page
63,
the
first
case
there
and
quite
often
fan
you
get
these
applications
where
people
say
it's
for
an
elderly
relative
or
whatever,
and
as
that
inspectors
ruling
created
a
bit
of
a
precedent
or
a
bit
of
comfort
for
planning
offices.
When
dealing
with
similar
cases.
C
Well
again,
it's
another
one
where
we've
had
a
very
recent
decision,
which
we've
sought
guidance
on
from
counsel,
because
the
inspector
interpreted
the
potential
use
by
relatives
as
being
appropriate,
even
though
we
felt
it
was
a
completely
separate
unit
being
creative.
So
again,
it's
all
dependent
on
the
particular
case
and
the
particular
inspector
it
would
see.
E
Yes,
counselor
gone
just
query
on
on
the
HMO
I,
don't
know
just
I,
don't
have
it
Jonathan
as
any
comment
about
whether
the
our
case
is
now
coming
up
where
and
sort
of
property
owners
are
arguing
that
they
can't
sell
to
a
family,
because
you
know
it's
gone
past.
The
tipping
point.
That's
a
certain
strengths.
You
know
I
have
reached,
although
it's
obviously
way
over
the
threshold
and
that
it's
become
come
to
the
point
where
they
are
unable
to
sell
to
two
families,
because
nobody
wants
to
live
in
a
student
dominated
area.
E
C
We've
had
one
or
two
instances
where
that's
been
the
case
and
we've
looked
at
them
and
I
think
there
was
one
case
where
we
applied
exceptional
circumstances
and
safe,
because
the
threshold
been
breached
by
about
seventy
percent,
then
we
felt
that
it
was
probably
appropriate
in
that
case
to
allow
because
the
character
was
clearly
changed
in
that
Street.
So
we
would
look
at
those
particular
cases.
C
F
Again,
there's
two
sides
to
that
coin
and
I
said
this:
when
this
was
getting
drawn
up
in
2012,
you
know:
surface
streets
have
gone
to
such
a
level
that
you
could
have
to
let
them
sell
out
to
just
you,
let
landlords,
but
similarly,
if
other
streets
that
are
still
family
residential
street
do
what
this
imposed
on
them.
We
ought
to
be
listening
to
them,
not
approving
something
because
of
a
false
threshold.
A
A
If
they've,
if
they've
withdrawn,
if
if
David
is
drawn
it
on
their
own,
but
then
I,
don't
think
it's
for
this.
Anybody
to
make
comment
at
this
meeting,
I
think
I.
Well,
they
both
withdrawn
the
application,
for
whatever
reason
they
their
own
reasons.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
for
officers
to
or
even
asked
to
ask
I
mean
people
withdraw
applications
all
the
time.
A
I've,
no,
I
don't.
I
have
no
idea
what
has
been
said.
I
haven't
seen
it
and
I'm
sure,
there's
lots
of
other
members
haven't
so
I
think
if
you've
got
particular
issue
cancel
waters,
you
better
raise
it
outside
of
the
meeting
in
which
case
of
no
other
business,
so
I
declare
the
meeting
closed
at
five
o'clock.
Thank
you.