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From YouTube: Planning Committee, 11 May 2017
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1. Declarations of Interest 00:05:29
2. Public Participation 00:06:13
3. Plans List 00:06:20
3a) Site of 17 to 21 Piccadilly, York (17/00274/FUL) 00:06:24
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A
Thank
you
very
much.
Can
I
ask
members
and
members
of
the
public
to
either
turn
their
mobile
phones
to
off
or
to
silent
if
the
we're
not
expecting
a
fire
alarm
drill.
So
if
it
does
go
off,
we
all
need
to
evacuate
the
building
by
going
down
the
stairs
that
you
came
up
and
going
out
wherever
we're
sent
when
we
get
out
there
and
just
to
remind
everybody
that
this
meeting
is
being
webcast.
A
So
I
have
no
item,
nobody
register
speak
under
general
public
participation,
so
we
move
on
to
the
plans
list,
of
which
we
only
have
one
item
and
that's
site
17
to
21
Piccadilly.
The
way
that
what
meeting
works
is
that
our
last
for
an
officer
update
members
may
or
may
then
ask
the
officer
questions.
We
then
move
into
public
participation.
I
do
have
a
number
of
speakers,
everybody
you
get
three
minutes.
Each
I'll
give
you
a
30-second
warning
and
if
you
go
over
three
minutes,
I
can
turn
your
microphone
off
from
here.
A
C
What
there
was
a
letter
that
was
anonymous
circulated
to
members
raising
objection
to
the
scheme,
and
that
key
points
within
this
was
that
the
scheme
would
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
conservation
area.
It
would
cause
noise
smells
and
litter,
and
also
that
the
scheme
would
impede
future
redevelopment
of
Piccadilly,
and
we
got
a
letter
as
well.
That's
been
circulated
to
members
from
one
of
the
neighbors
who
attended
the
site
visit
with
us
earlier
in
the
week,
but
couldn't
be
at
the
meeting.
C
She's
made
some
suggestions
about
possible
noise
mitigation
following
the
meeting
again.
To
summarize
those,
it
was
suggesting
that
there
could
be
a
more
details
provided
to
us
of
the
spark
of
their
noise
management
policy
and
things
they
could
do
to
help
reduce
noise,
such
as
placing
notices
around
advising
people
about
neighbours
preventing
large
groups
going
to
the
site
together
that
the
developers
meet
regularly
with
neighbors
to
discuss
how
their
how
the
other
sites
operating.
If
there's
things
that
are
problems
and
things
they
could
do
to
rectify.
C
C
Life
members
were
agreed
that
we
asked
for
things
like,
so
it
is
like
cycle
parking
to
be
provided
at
the
outset
and
the
other
alterations
to
the
conditions
that
we've
already
got
a
condition.
Number
five
on
storage,
which
asks
for
us
to
agree
details
of
the
arrangements
with
storage
areas,
and
these
are
areas
that
are
quite
close
to
the
neighboring
houses.
C
We've
just
asked
for
a
bit
more
clarification
as
to
how
they
would
operate
what
times
they
would
operate
and
who
would
be
there
just
the
the
intent
being
stopped
sort
of
stuff
lingering
in
potentially
lingual
in
talking
in
areas
that
are
only
a
meter
or
two
away
from
neighbors
windows
and
hours
of
operation.
We've
added
a
sentence
about
at
the
moment.
It
just
explains
when,
when
the
site
would
close
to
customers,
we've
added
a
bit
that
would
require
stuff
to
have
vacated
shortly.
After
that,
the
condition
about
no
amplified
music.
D
Yes,
thank
you
care
get
in
relationship
some
of
the
objections
that
are
raised
in
that
email.
There
are
a
number
of
points
to
kind
of
clarify,
suspect
some
of
the
aspects
in
terms
of
neighbours,
notifications
about
saying
people
that
must
be
aware
of
the
in
that
locality
that
there
are
residential,
neighbors,
also
the
meetings
with
the
kind
of
local
residents
as
a
whole.
D
That
would
be
something
to
be
honest,
which
I
would
probably
more
expect
to
be
dealt
with
under
the
licensing
application
under
a
noise
management
can
for
that
perhaps
rather
than
the
planning
matter,
and
so,
whilst
the
point
is
taken,
I
would
expect
that
to
be
within
that.
So
that
is
not
really
from
my
perspective
necessarily
problematic,
and
we
were
just
a
bit
of
it.
D
I've
just
get
a
copy
of
error,
yeah
yeah,
just
double
checking
to
see
if
there
was
anything
else
there
specifically
on
there
yeah
as
I
say
most
of
it
I
would
really
anticipate
being
dealt
with
by
the
noise
measurement
plan.
Under
the
licensing
aspect,
there
was
one
aspect
which
was
mentioned
regarding
and
perhaps
a
noise
survey
being
undertaken
on
the
the
14th
and
15th
of
July
at
various
different
points.
D
Again,
that
is
something
really
which
I
would
say
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
to
identify
how
they're
going
to
monitor
it,
particularly
in
the
early
days.
My
feeling
on
experience
of
these
types
of
sites
and
events
that
I've
kind
of
been
involved
with
previously
is
on
the
first
two
or
three
occasions.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
finding
your
feet
and
so
that,
whilst
there
may
be
some
impact
greater
than
you
would
normally
anticipate
over
time,
that
is,
will
alleviate
itself
as
management
kind
of
protocols
and
procedures
kick
in
a
bit
more.
C
E
Now
we're
supposed
to
assess
this
scheme
on
the
vibrancy
it
creates
now
how
wide
an
area
do
we
assess
that
vibrancy
over
now,
I'm
thinking,
specifically
with
the
comments
made
by
Steve
Brown,
the
chair
of
make
it
York
a
meeting
last
night
that
the
new
food
court,
the
shambles
market,
was
increasing,
footfall
and
vibrancy
there
and
he
had
serious
concerns
over
the
effects
on
that
vibrancy
in
the
area
of
York.
If
this
scheme
was
approved,
so
I
would
like
to
ask
where
vibrancy
starts
and
finishes
with
this
application.
I.
C
Guess
well,
we've
summarized
that
in
4.3
as
to
how
we
feel
that
the
scheme
is
acceptable.
In
principle,
we've
quoted
the
MPP
F
policy
for
city
centers,
about
planning
being
positive,
promote
competitive
town,
centers,
support
their
vitality
and
viability
and
provide
customer
choice
and
a
diverse
retail
offer
which
reflects
the
individually
of
termed
centers,
and
so
that's
that
the
position,
so
the
MVP
F
is
about
promoting
competition.
So
we've
got
you
know,
Weis
understand
what
the
concerns
are
about.
C
C
C
The
use
I
mean
in
terms
of
where
the
applicants
are
up
at
pre-application
when
they
came
to
us
and
showed
us
the
plans
that
proposed
uses
within
the
site
and
how
they've
been
configured
of
being
moved
around
and
generally
to
move
the
restaurants
and
bars
further
away
from
the
houses
and
closer
towards
Piccadilly
and
I'm.
Not
aware
that
there's
been
a
significant
change
in
the
sort
of
amounts
of
various
uses
proposed
since
since
pre-application
and
the
guild
opening
panel
afine
consulted
on
the
application,
as
it's
being
submitted
and
they've
made
their
comments.
There.
F
I
think
the
issue
on
breaching
of
ours
conditions,
particularly
hours
of
operation,
relate
to
a
clear
and
consistent
breach
or
persistent
breach
of
hours
of
use
or
operation.
One-Off
incident
can
be
investigated,
obviously,
quite
often
after
the
event
because
they
may
occur
in
such
times
as
you
mentioned,
but
from
a
planning
perspective.
We
have
to
demonstrate
harm
and
that's
usually
found
to
be
where
you've
got
consistent.
Breaches
of
hours
say
if
an
operation
was
to
continue
till
1:00
o'clock
every
Saturday
and
Sunday
morning.
F
Breach
of
condition
notice
can
be
served,
which
is
a
situation
where
you
can
prosecute
quite
quickly
at
that
stage.
So
in
this
case,
if
we
do
receive
complaints
about
breaches
and
that
continues,
we
would
certainly
be
investigating
and
pursuing
action
as
appropriate
if
it's
found
to
be
particularly
harmful.
G
Thank
you,
Kevin
page
23,
three
materials
large
scale,
details
and
given
this
is
containers
and
it
is
easy
to
change
the
outside
appearance.
How
can
you
protect
the
appearance
from
being
altered
after
it's
built?
I
can't
see
anything
here
that
you
says
well.
Actually,
no
change
of
the
appearances
is
to
be
permitted
without
agreement
with
the
council.
C
If
well,
if
they
were
to
change,
I
think
we'd
have
to
make
the
people
can
do
things
with
them
with
planning
permission,
and
sometimes
things
don't
need
planning
permission.
If,
if
the
containers
appearance
were
to
change,
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
take
a
view
as
to
whether
there
are
other
material
impacts,
but
they'd
only
permission
from
us
to
do
things
as
as
they've
been
agreed,
and
so,
if
they
were
to
do
things
significantly
different,
they
may
need
to
revisit
in
terms
of
a
new
planning
permissions.
I.
G
And
help
evident
this,
this
design
is
and
the
fact
that
containers
in
a
number
of
areas
do
change
the
outside
look
by
being
painted
various
different
colors,
etc.
To
start
off
with
something
that
may
fit
him
with
the
the
local
environment
to
then,
somebody
decided
well
I
think
I'll
go
do
a
bit
of
whatever
I
named
well
I
thought
it
was
agreed,
and
then
how
do
we
stop
it?
There's
nothing
here.
As
far
as
I
can
say
that
says
that,
before
anything
like
that
has
he
need
permission.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
indeed.
First
of
all,
I
I
want
to
make
a
few
thanks,
thanks
to
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
speak
this
afternoon
and
for
visiting
my
property
this
week,
thanks
to
this
spark
planning
consultant
for
listening
to
my
concerns
and
alleviating
some
of
those
and
thanks
to
the
planning
office
of
City
of
York
Council
for
a
really
balanced
and
fair
report.
I
My
main
and
outstanding
concerns
about
the
developments
are
about
noise
and
the
related
issue
of
opening
hours.
So
this
is
a
proposal
for
16
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
up
to
11
p.m.
at
night,
every
night,
the
open
air
for
first
floor
area
of
the
development
with
seating
capacity
for
30
people
and
many
more
standing
is
four
to
five
meters
from
my
living
room
window
and
balcony.
The
mitigations
on
noise
agreed
by
the
developer
and
the
planning
office
which
restricted
access
to
some
areas
after
9:00
p.m.
I
will
cause
a
gravitation
concentration
of
customers
to
my
end
of
the
development.
So
the
mitigations
made
on
noise
have
ironically,
made
the
noise
impact
on
my
property,
which,
worse
there's
been
met.
Reference
mailing
the
report
and
by
Planning
Committee
members
the
other
day
about
the
adjacency
of
my
property
to
the
existing
Red
Lion
pub,
probably
presumably
the
inference
being
that
we
already
experienced
noise
from
customers
from
that
establishment.
I
live
in
town
I
expect
some
noise,
but
the
two
things
are
not
comparable.
I
The
majority
of
the
red
lines,
custom
and
entertainment
takes
place
inside
its
walls,
not
outside
the
outside
area
is
used
during
the
day,
but
ambient
temperatures
drive
all
but
the
occasional
smoker
inside
the
building.
That's
after
approximately
7:00
p.m.
at
9:00,
the
new
developer
has
a
different
character
and
based
around
entertaining
customers
on
the
first
floor,
almost
exclusively
outside
in
the
open
air,
probably
encouraged
by
external
heaters.
The
noise
implications
for
myself
are
absolutely
significant.
I
know
that
some
members
of
committee
are
positively
minded
towards
this
development
and
I
do
understand
and
accept
this.
I
I
Don't
know
whether
that's
in
the
endo
power
of
this
committee
over
whether
the
committee
can
make
a
recommendations
to
licensing
about
that
if
the
proposal
is
accepted
as
described
in
the
report,
I
would
like
to
ask
how
the
committee
and
the
council
will
ensure
that
they
and
SPARC
exercised
their
duty
of
care
towards
me
and
my
family
and
protect
me
from
intrusive
and
excessive
noise,
which
may
well
cause
an
intolerable
and
negative
impact
on
my
residential
immunity.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Right
about
three
minutes
now
to
chair
yes,
now
it
was
a
proposal
to
replace
an
old
warehouse
with
relocatable
buildings.
A
temporary
permission
was
required
pending
long
term
development
planning
officers
quoted
national
and
local
policies,
why
it
was
not
acceptable
out
of
keeping
out
of
character,
not
taking
the
opportunity
to
improve
the
area,
not
responding
to
local
forum
and
history,
detrimental
to
the
visual
intrusion,
etc,
etc,
etc.
All
policies
which
apply
with
even
greater
measure
to
this
thing
here
in
Piccadilly,
but
in
particular
it
was
categorically
stated
quote.
J
Contrast
this
with
the
current
application,
where
officers
now
think
that
all
these
policies
can
be
disregarded,
because
the
temporary
nature
does,
after
all,
outweigh
the
harm
caused.
Remember
also
that
three
years
doesn't
mean
three
years
experience
the
shield.
These
approvals
are
often
extended
time
and
time
again.
The
planning
system
is
supposed
to
be
fair
and
consistent,
but
this
is
a
blatant
example
of
one
rule
for
the
council
and
it's
fear
that
business
partner
but
another
rule
for
a
private
citizen.
It
is
reprehensible.
J
These
inconsistent
responses
are
often
excused
by
the
old
cliche
that
each
proposal
must
be
considered
on
its
individual
merits.
Let
us
look
at
the
merits
of
each
proposal.
Our
sites
at
Merlin
is
took
to
where,
where
no
one
can
see
it,
not
in
a
conservation
area
and
no
listed
buildings
anywhere
near
it,
the
proposed
use
provide
desperately
needed
temporary,
low-cost
housing,
of
which
there
is
a
great
shortage.
J
The
Piccadilly
site,
by
contrast,
is
a
prominent
block
with
street
frontage
and
two
corners
inside
the
historic
core,
Conservation
Area
and
close
to
an
ancient
church
and
historic
pub
both
listed
buildings.
The
proposed
use
is
for
business
activity,
primarily
alcohol
and
food,
for
which
there
is
no
shortage
in
this
city,
not
forgetting,
of
course,
that
the
council
has
a
conflict
of
interest
here.
It
owns
the
freehold
land
and
it
will
be
receiving
rents
from
the
applicants.
It's
just
not
right.
J
A
K
Now
we
all
know
this
is
an
area
that
we're
trying
to
sell
to
investors,
but
the
best
plot
of
land
to
encourage
investment
is
a
norm
vacant
one.
The
worst
is
one
with
a
temporary
build
on
a
three.
A
temporary
is
just
a
short
now
was
the
press
will
say
the
local
letter,
writer
put
it
temporary
for
three
years
after
that,
another
temporary
for
three
years
he
had
one
I
think
that
lasted
for
12
years,
and
this
is
not
the
adventurous
bright-colored
site
that
was
illustrated
in
the
local
press
business
now,
surrounded
by
a
plane.
K
What
can
only
described
as
a
solid
fence
Ghana
the
small
business
startup
image
that
was
put
forward.
Now.
It's
all
retail
restaurant
and
drinking
establishments
admitted
the
latter
two.
We
are
persisting
short
a
job
in
the
city.
He
said
there
was
extensive
consultation
with
a
guild.
All
planning
panel
I've
talked
to
the
chair
in
their
committee,
the
other
night,
and
they
know
nothing
of
these
revised
plans.
K
If
they
had
come
forward,
they
would
not
have
supported
it,
but
the
papers
don't
tell
you
that
stuff,
like
the
Civic
Trust,
pulled
out
the
gildo,
because
they
aren't
being
kept
up-to-date
with
the
planning
now
to
the
noise
control.
The
nuisances
for
neighbors
you
put
in
there
paragraph
that
licenses
will
control
that,
but
we
all
know
that
that
doesn't
work,
probably
the
opposite.
They
will
get
asked
for
extended
hours
for
drinking
and
come
back
for
a
planning
extension.
K
So
you
have
got
to
put
something
on
in
paper.
Sutures
are
definitely
closing
at
11
o'clock,
both
the
public
and
staff,
the
pin
and
bottle
storage
not
to
be
used
after
8
o'clock
at
night
to
avoid
disturbing
the
neighbors.
If
you
able
to
lived
anywhere
near
a
pope
that
has
a
bottle
bank
you'll
know
what
that
noise
is
like
the
outside
seating
areas.
You
know
that's
really
not
on,
because
I'll
carry
across
there
like
nobody's
business.
K
A
K
E
Wanna
clarify
this
business
with
the
guild
of
Planning
panel,
because
we've
got
it
written
down
in
front
of
his
ear
that
they
support
the
application.
Now.
Are
there
the
guild
oil
planning
panels
comments
now
with
this
revised
application,
similar
to
what
the
Civic
Trust
have
said.
On
paragraph
three
point,
three,
four
page:
nine,
the
trust
notes
the
design
scheme
is
heavily
weighted
to
art
kitchen
outlets,
with
very
little
provision
for
startups
and
non
catering
enterprises.
E
This
outcome
differs
from
what
was
outlined
in
the
consultation
process,
which
placed
a
greater
emphasis
on
opportunities
for
young
professionals
through
the
provision
of
short
term
and
adequate
startup
space.
Have
the
guild
old
plan
or
planning
panel
not
been
fully
consulted
on
the
current
makeup
of
bars
and
restaurants
in
this
proposal,
because.
K
Well,
how
pronunce
it
from
the
Gulag
planning
panel
site,
the
chair,
not
told
Ben,
that
they
had
no
contact,
no
information
about
the
revised
plans
and
if
it
was
as
originally
proposed
small
businesses
to
proceed,
then
they
were
in
favor
of
it.
But
with
this
new
business
about
the
majority
of
between
restaurants
and
drinking
establishments,
they
wouldn't
support
it.
Well,.
K
K
B
K
B
A
C
Well,
we
we've
consulted
the
Gil,
told
planning
panel
on
the
planning,
application
and
the
composition
of
uses,
since
they
made
their
comments.
Haven't
changed
the
only
change
the
main
change
we've
had
within
the
application
is
the
applicants
proposal
to
close
part
of
the
areas
at
nine
o'clock.
The
the
composition
of
units
throughout
the
application
process
hasn't
changed,
so
it's
no
different
from
when
we
received
the
formal
comments.
A
Officer
that
the
application
we
have
in
front
of
us,
with
the
exception
of
the
area,
that's
going
to
be
tough,
as
nine
is
the
one
that
was
content
to
the
guilt
or
branding
battle.
I,
don't
think
we
can
I
think
that's
part
of
it.
It
might
be
different
from
the
pre-application
consultation,
but
not
from
the
planning
application.
Are
there
any
uncut
other
questions
for
counsel
for
mr.
Watson
nearly
got
it
wrong
again.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
L
Thank
you,
yes
is
this
on
yes,
okay
right
get,
my
name
is
Michael
yard.
I
am
the
proprietor
of
one
gate,
Ale
House
on
one
gate.
Clearly,
I'm
the
managing
director
of
the
orc
vessel
of
food
and
drink
and
I
am
chair
of
York's
Business
Improvement
District
Lee
Hawk
bid
from
a
I'm
speaking
here
on
behalf
of
all
three
organizations
in
support
of
this
application.
L
From
a
warm
get
perspective,
we
opened
a
site
that
I
can
see
on
the
plan
behind
you
in
2001
and
the
area
of
Piccadilly
in
general,
not
specifically
the
site,
we're
talking
about,
there's
been
economically
more
abound
and
architectural
oblique
during
all
of
that
period.
I
urge
you
to
contrast:
what's
happened
in
that
period
in
Foskett
and
warm
gate
would
be
gili.
L
These
are
areas
they've
been
regenerated
by
small
entrepreneurial
and
often
young
independence,
its
regeneration
model
that
spark
can
achieve
and
is
in
contrast
to
an
area
like
Piccadilly
in
the
round
being
left
to
the
care
of
developers
and
complex
planning
for
two
decades
of
inactivity.
The
truth
is
this
parks
tenure
is
likely
to
be
over
before
much
new
development
in
the
area
is
ready
to
open,
and
we
urge
you
to
disregard
suggestions
about
a
potential
negative
impact
as
both
alarmist
and
incoherent.
L
We
maintain
that
the
impact
of
spark
is
likely
to
be
very
positive
for
the
area.
That's
a
view
shared
by
the
foscar
Traders
Association,
encouraging
new
football
to
Piccadilly
and
therefore
supplementing
the
very
linear
nature
of
Foskett
and
warm
gate.
We
need
the
area
put
on
the
map
in
the
eyes
of
residents
and
visitors.
Lively,
diverse
development,
like
spark,
is
a
great
way
to
do
so.
L
From
the
perspective
of
the
Food
and
Drink
Festival,
we
have
demonstrated
large
demand
for
diverse
activity
in
the
early
evening
and
indeed
the
street
food
of
which
an
element
of
sparks
a
proposal
is
related
as
far
as
its
relationship
goes
to
the
food
court,
the
shambles
market-
these
are
two
quite
contrasting
operations.
The
food
court
in
shambles
market
is
family
orientated,
operates
on
a
nine-to-five
basis
and
is
unlicensed.
There
are
quite
significant
differences
between
them.
L
Apart
from
the
fact
that
I,
don't
think,
is
in
any
sense
of
planning
criteria
to
reject
competition,
the
Business
Improvement
District
launched
a
prospectus
that
was
approved
overwhelmingly
by
a
thousand
larger
levee
payers.
Business
rates
payers
in
the
orc
city
centre
that
was
approved
in
October
2015
and
two
central
elements
of
that
perspectives
were
improvements.
L
A
M
Good
evening
councillors,
my
name
is
Sam
leach
I'm,
a
director
of
sparked
York
and
will
be
speaking
in
favor
of
agenda
item
three.
This
evening
we
were
delighted
to
be
recommended
for
approval
by
the
council's
planning
department.
Phillip
recognizes
the
six-month
process
of
consultation
with
local
residents
and
businesses.
Ideas
have
adapted
and
matured
reflecting
the
opinions
of
local
people
who
are
seeking
to
regenerate
a
tied
part
of
our
city.
Public
protection
have
no
objection
to
the
project,
but
still
feel.
M
My
speech
today
will
be
best
focused
on
our
approach
to
Elaine
any
concerns
regarding
noise,
especially
to
local
residents.
Howry
consultation
measures
have
strengthened
our
approach
to
mitigating
noise.
We've
moved
all
businesses
that
require
planning
machinery
to
the
Piccadilly
perimeter,
large
parts
of
our
courtyards,
we
closed
to
the
general
public,
but
from
nine
o'clock
hour
outside
performance
space
has
been
removed,
resulting
in
no
live
or
amplified
music.
We
filled
a
gap
at
first
storey
level
to
prevent
noise
spillage
and
the
direct
sight
line
to
mr.
and
mrs.
Proctor's
property
at
eleven,
a
Baker's
yard.
M
Our
interpretation
of
public
spaces
on
the
site
is
a
garden
and
art
space
where
families
and
friends
can
gather
over
nice.
Food
and
drink
there'll
be
limited,
seating
and
very
tactile
visual
experience.
We
strongly
believe
this
approach
will
increase
respect
for
the
immediate
environment
in
direct
response
to
a
suggestion
from
a
local
resident.
There
will
be
signage
to
remind
visitors
of
courtesy
for
local
residents.
M
Although
much
of
our
activities
focus
towards
the
early
evening
economy,
we
have
financially
plan
for
security
to
be
present
at
the
site
when
necessary
and
to
ensure
the
site
is
not
attractive
to
incompatible
groups
that
may
cause
disorder
sparked.
Your
will
be
a
welcoming
place
that
the
people
of
York
of
all
ages
feel
as
their
own.
We've
set
clear
guidelines
of
noise
and
behavior
for
governing
storage
areas
not
accessible
to
the
public
on
the
site
as
part
of
alleviating
noise,
a
large
storage
area
will
be
private
cycle
storage
access
by
lock
gate.
M
The
waste
area
has
been
relocated
to
allow
less
disruption
to
nearby
residents,
as
is
the
normal,
Foskett
and
warm
gate.
Tenants
will
have
to
follow
strict
procedures
in
the
timings
of
when
they
can
dispose
of
glass
and
waste
into
this
area.
All
three
directors
will
be
operational.
On-Site
and
local
residents
will
have
our
mobile
numbers,
giving
them
direct
and
immediate
access
to
respond.
Your
director,
we
absolutely
accept
the
concerns
of
local
residents
and
have
done
everything
in
our
power
to
consult
and
evolve
the
designs
based
on
their
feedback.
M
We
are
a
community
project
we
seek
to
embody
what
is
great
about
York
and
the
people
who
live
here.
We
will
not
be
true
to
the
word
community
if
we
alienate
the
very
people
who
live
closest
because
of
this
should
we
achieve
planning
permission
this
evening
we
prepare
a
code
of
ethics
and
further
tailor
our
noise
management
policy
in
collaboration
with
residents.
That
sets
a
clear,
behavioral
framework
that
all
tenants
must
sign.
M
This
will
be
an
ongoing
relationship
before
and
during
opening,
which
will
be
reviewed
monthly
in
a
meeting
with
the
neighbors
of
the
site
to
engage
and
listen
to
feedback.
So,
to
conclude,
let's
show
the
young
people
of
our
city
that
there
are
opportunities
for
them
here.
Let's
make
a
success
of
this
and
show
that
community
Delavan
developments
that
are
thriving
and
diverse
in
the
center
of
york,
let's
be
the
catalyst
for
the
redevelopment
of
a
forgotten
Street
in
York,
modern
history
and
let's
showcase
commercial
and
residential
neighbors
sit-in
hi.
E
Often
we
see
these
artists.
Impressions
are
various
different
types
of
proposals
and
quite
often
they
look
quite
bland,
like
that.
Until
the
stack
getting
built
are
the
completed
and
they're
absolutely
class
to
being
advertising
either
for
the
users
are
during
construction
by
the
construction
people.
Will
you
give
a
commitment
that
the
exterior
will
look
like
that
and
not
be
plastered
with
garish
advertising
at
any
point
added
during
construction
or
during
operation?
E
M
Absolutely
we
have
absolutely
no
intention
at
all,
particularly
exterior
fir
to
be
any
advertising
whatsoever
as
from
seeing
from
the
drawings,
which
is
still
our
intention,
that
the
sparked
York
logo
exposed
and
information
of
events
that
happened
in
exhibition
exhibition
spaces
on
the
site.
There'll
be
the
only
thing
from
the
exterior.
We
have
received
a
significant
amount
of
pro
bono,
support
from
local
companies
and
others,
and
there
may
be,
and
has
been,
the
discussion
on
tables
in
courtyard
spaces,
where
we
can
show
recognition
for
people
who've
contributed
with
plaques
and
other
things
on
containers.
N
G
H
G
H
G
N
N
N
M
Pop
I've
been
possibly
I'm,
not
saying.
Definitely
yes
or
no
I've
got
other
colleagues.
I
have
to
consult
on
I.
Think
the
key
of
what
we've
had
in
from
the
feedback
we've
got
from
from
residents
has
been.
You
know,
let's
take
this
on
a
monthly
basis.
Let's
see
how
things
are
working
I,
don't
think
personally,
that
it
would
be
wise
and
I
wouldn't
be
committing
to
saying
that
we
will
right
now
reduce
our
area
to
nine
o'clock.
M
We
have
been
in
constant
consultation
with
Public
Protection
and
sort
to
listen
on
areas
that
might
be
problematic
and
that
wasn't
identified
I
think
if,
after
a
go
live
day,
that
was
a
seemingly
problematic
area,
then
absolutely
we
would.
We
would
consider
similar
to
the
other
areas
that
are
closing
at
nine
o'clock,
whether
that
was
necessary.
The
other
argument,
though,
is
and
I
appreciate
that
it
does
and
is
absolutely
about.
Residents
is
also
about
the
viability
of
businesses
on
the
site
and
for
us
we
still
feel
that
with
the
9
p.m.
M
M
Think
I
think
if
it's
untenable
from
a
residential
perspective,
I
think
that
needs
to
be
taken
extremely
seriously,
I
think
from
what
we've
been
fired
from
public
protection,
that
area
isn't
a
problem
based
on
their
expertise,
which
goes
further
than
mine.
We
should
I'm
happy
to
take
that
on
board
to
the
point
after
a
go
live
day,
if
it
becomes
completely
clear
that
the
commercial
is
not
compatible
with
residential
in
that
area,
then
it's
of
course
something
that
me,
my
colleagues
and
neighbors
of
the
site
will
have
to
agree
on
and
sit
down
on.
P
That
pretty
much
been
asked
exactly
the
same
thing
really
and
but
for
me,
2100
would
possibly
be
a
deciding
factor
in
in
my
overall
decision
if
the
site
was
able
to
to
close
and
not
a
certainly
stuff.
We
have
left
the
premises,
because
I
can
appreciate
that
some
time
that's
required
for
clearing
up,
but
certainly
from
from
the
public
aspect.
P
2100
I
think
I'd
be
much
more
comfortable
and
in
supporting
the
application
as
a
whole
for
the
whole
site,
yeah
can
I
ask.
Would
it
be
intended
to
have
you
mention
security
when
you
spoke,
would
it
be
intended
to
have
security
on
site
further
all
the
each
evening
for
the
full
length
of
the
evening
I.
M
Mean
we
spoken
particularly
with
obviously
the
police,
the
design
and
out
crime
officer
there,
as
well
and
with
licensing
in
quite
a
lot
of
detail.
Their
first
thought,
perhaps
unsurprising,
is
that
they
don't
anticipate
the
need
for
security,
I,
suppose
we've
consulted
quite
widely,
both
with
local
security
groups
with
bars
with
restaurants,
with
public
spaces
of
others,
both
in
your
also
I
suppose
across
the
country
as
well.
Predominately
London
and
I
suppose
have
tried
to
take
note
from
that
at
the
moment.
M
Again,
it's
tricky
to
give
a
similar
answer,
but
it
it's
one
of
those
where
we
are
financially
planning
on
the
regards
that
we
would
need
potentially
security
for
the
whole.
Let's
say
of
the
hold
of
an
eye
on
the
whole
of
an
evening,
and
but
at
the
moment
don't
particularly
believe
that
that
will
necessarily
be
necessary
and
I.
Think
it's
one
of
those.
Well,
it's
one
to
wait
and
see
what
happens.
I
think.
P
Q
M
M
There's
been
a
clear
indication
of
these
working
predominately
in
London.
This
is
one
of
our
as
all
your
residents
to
be
able
to
achieve
something
here
that
we
can
have
that's
comparable
or
even
better
than
people
having
to
go
to
learn
for
similar
experiences.
Particularly
two
examples
would
be
boxpark,
there's
one
in
Shoreditch,
which
is
largely
lauded
for
transform
in
a
derelict
part
of
Shoreditch
they've,
recently
opened
one
in
Croydon,
which
has
been
been
described
as
been
hugely
successful.
The
precedent
that
we
were
working
off
was
a
wonder.
M
Precedence
was
pop
Brixton,
which
was
a
similar
site
or
similar
kind
of
notion,
Council
and
obviously
down
in
Brixton
our
architect.
Karl
Turner's
was
the
managing
director
of
that
site
and
there's
been
a
dinner
sauce,
posing
and
supporting
through
the
architectural
process
in
terms
of
the
design
and
access
statement
of
the
things
again,
they've
been
hugely
successful.
I
think
they
had
over
a
million
people
that
attended
the
site.
M
In
the
first
year,
they've
seen
hundreds
of
jobs
created
in
that
area,
particularly
young
people
who
have
been
struggling
to
get
into
work
for
apprenticeship
from
local
people.
They
had
a
criterium
in
Lambeth
that
people
had
to
be
from
that
area
and
Keefe
roses.
You've
got
to
be
local
to
your
you've,
got
to
have
a
social
purpose
and
actually
do
good
for
the
city.
It's
not
just
about
making
money,
but
making
sure
that
if
this
is
successful,
people
of
the
city
feel
it
and
then
also
that
they're
independent
businesses.
M
This
isn't
about
said
about
advertising
or
big
businesses
taking
spaces.
This
is
about
local
people
with
affordable,
accessible
rents,
for
which
they
can.
They
can
try
all
they
can
pilot
an
idea,
and
hopefully
it
can
come
to
fruition
and
our
hopeful
legacy
is
those
people
will
go
into
those
businesses
will
go
into
vacant.
M
You
know
properties
and
commercial
properties
around
the
city.
We've
had
meetings,
for
instance,
with
the
Conservation
Trust
and
others
who
were
already
open
to
those
discussions.
For
us
it's
about
showing
yes,
they've
worked
in
other
places,
but
fundamentally,
let's
make
your
you
know
the
most
attractive
place
in
the
north
of
England
for
young
people
or
others
who
want
to
start
a
business.
You
know,
and
it
was
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
spaces.
M
You
know
we're
talking
when
we
talk
in
terms
of
the
co-working
spaces
terms
of
all
the
commercial
spaces
on
the
site
that
food
and
drink
constitutes
a
little
over
20
percent
of
the
site.
So
what
were
saying
is
and
have
said
and
have
achieved
300
to
plus
people
who
have
submitted
either
applications
or
expressions
interest.
If
you
want
to
stay
in
York,
if
you
want
do
to
man
in
York,
if
you
want
to
and
have
visited
and
seeing
these
be
successful
elsewhere,
can
we
do
this
in
York
and
I
I?
M
Think
that
the
appetite
that
we've
seen
you
know
suggest
that
there's
there's
the
opportunity
to
do
something
like
this
and
the
kind
of
benchmark
of
those
successes,
not
just
in
the
UK,
but
in
Europe
in
you
know,
places
all
around
the
world.
For
instance,
you
know
don't
need
to
mention
them
all
suggest
that
for
a
three-year
temporary
project,
this
is
this
is
a
worthwhile
endeavor
and
can
inform
the
city
going
forward
in
terms
of
how
it
chooses
to
develop,
develop
and
regenerate
this
area.
M
H
Q
A
Could
I
ask
the
other
sites
that
you
you
talked
about,
then?
Are
they
all
temporary?
They
are
yet
all
them,
and
presumably
you
will
be
working
up
also
an
access
exit
strategy,
often
because
of
this
is
you're
here
there
were
some
concerns
about.
Is
it
really
three
years?
Obviously,
I
should
get
towards
the
end.
It
will
be
difficult
to
attract
assumably
new
tenants
absolutely
for.
M
The
last
everything
we've
we've
planned
for,
whether
it
be
SCI
clearance
costs,
whether
it
be
our
business
model,
whether
it
be
rental
figures,
everything
has
been
on
the
basis
of
a
three-year
temporary
lease
everything
from
in
terms
of
the
contract.
You
know
that
we've
been
discussing.
Everything
is
on
the
provision
of
three
years.
Anything
beyond
that
for
me
is
not
really
for
discussion
at
the
moment.
We're
planning
to
make
this
work
for
three
years.
You
know
in
three
years
only
on
this
site.
G
M
Terms
of
other
precedent
sites
similar
and
just
just
this
through,
for
instance,
Brixton's
got
a
large
social
housing
and
development
that
exists
just
behind
that
site,
there's
considerably
more
considerably
more
residents
that
live
next
to
that
site
in
terms
of
the
accordion
side,
light
that's
close
to
a
train
station.
So
that's
a
little
bit
different.
The
shortage
site
has
residential
that
live
just
around
the
corner
from
there
in
terms
of
a
lot,
the
other
precedence,
I.
M
M
I
would,
though,
say
not
against
the
planning
policy
or
anything
in
general
that
anybody
who
walks
down
Piccadilly
would
probably
appreciate
that
it's
a
Thai,
dairy
and
it
in
some
regards
would
benefit
from
it
from
a
scheme
or
a
project
that
brings
people
into
that
area,
particularly
families,
particularly
younger
people,
particularly
people
as
well.
So
my
understanding
is
it
then
they're,
not
in
conservation
areas.
My
answer
to
that
is,
I.
Don't
think
it
matters
in
your
personally.
A
R
Anchor
chair,
I'm
speaking
as
well
councillor
in
support
of
this
application.
I
think
this
is
a
sort
of
innovative
social,
responsible
type
of
development
that
York
and
the
City
Center
in
particular,
really
needs.
It
offers
something
for
all
generations,
with
an
emphasis
on
provision
for
families
on
the
early
evening
economy,
while
also
creating
new
opportunities
for
young
people
in
York
to
get
a
new
business
or
social
enterprise
off
the
ground.
R
It
will
not
only
offer
very
affordable
space,
the
startup
retail
service
and
food
and
drink
businesses,
but
also
small
office
or
hot
desking
space
for
up
to
30
other
business
startups,
along
with
bookable
community
facilities
on
a
free
of
charge
or
low-cost
basis.
The
applicants
are
very
clear
that
all
businesses
that
take
space
at
spark
must
have
a
social
purpose
and
I
understand
that
as
a
Community
Interest
Company,
they
are
planning
to
invest
all
of
their
profits
into
subsidizing.
R
A
wide
range
of
daytime
activities
on
the
site
that
will
benefit
local
communities
from
ward
councillor
perspective,
the
prospect
of
free
or
low-cost
community
meeting
space
as
part
of
a
vibrant
and
socially
committed.
New
development
is
very
welcoming
in
this
area,
which
has
greatly
missed
the
closure
of
space
109
at
the
other
end
of
warm
gate.
Naturally,
there
are
concerns
about
the
potential
impact
on
near
neighbors,
specifically
those
located
on
warm
go
to
back
onto
the
site.
R
An
additional
units--
has
been
added
in
on
the
first
floor,
to
act
as
a
barrier
to
number
11
warm
gate
conditions
now
limit
outdoor
seating
as
you've
heard
till
9
o'clock,
and
the
applicants
have
also
committed
to
actively
managing
any
inappropriate
levels
of
noise
on
the
site,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
best
best
way
of
approaching
that
for
the
moment
and
to
continuing
engagement
with
local
residents
as
the
project
goes
forward.
This
is
definitely
not
a
development
aimed
at
attracting
hen
and
stag
parties.
It
is
entirely
the
opposite.
R
With
a
social
ethos
aimed
at
specifically
at
providing
alternatives,
it
will
be
actively
managed
by
the
three
directors
thirty-seconds
who
will
take
up
operational
positions
on
the
site
and
will
be
actively
seeking
local
resident
involvement.
The
applicants
have
been
working
with
edible
York
on
landscaping,
plans
which
will
enhance
the
appearance
of
the
site,
and
a
large
proportion
of
the
upper
containers
will
now
have
green
roofs.
A
call
has
gone
out
recently
for
local
artists
to
get
involved
in
the
initiative
overall.
R
H
A
S
And
just
obviously
some
questions
about
how
this
relates
to
the
time
scale
for
the
some
Gateway
project,
and
you
know
whether
this
will
actually
be
an
obstacle,
and
you
do.
How
do
you
see
that,
in
terms
of
times
the
three
year
time
scale
fitting
in
we've
firm
other
than
other
aspects
of
the
developer,
young
master
planning
and
so
on?
Coming
forward,
yeah.
T
So
we
we've
sought
to
support
this
and
offered
a
three
attendances
subject
to
the
outcome
of
the
planning
committee
tonight
and
we've
been
absolutely
clear
that
it's
three
years,
it's
limited
to
that
time
period.
That's
very
clear
in
the
lease
agreement
which
we've
drawn
up,
and
that
is
because
we
need
to
realize
long
term.
T
We
believe
from
the
regeneration
perspective,
will
help
to
drive
foot
fall
into
the
area
and
start
to
drive
that
that
vibrance
into
that
area,
when
we
come
to
look
at
a
permanent
development
for
the
site,
we'll
have
plans
were
took,
we'll,
be
able
to
proceed
quickly
and
and
change
to
the
site
could
have
increased
in
value.
If
we've
been
able
to
business,
acted
as
a
catalyst
to
regeneration
of
Piccadilly.
A
Q
Right,
thank
you.
As
councils
will
know,
we
were
sent
an
anonymous
circular
from
somebody.
Obviously
objects
to
this
application
and
I
must
say
that
I'm
not
happy
with
somebody
something
being
sent
around
it's
an
anonymous.
The
only
thing
that
does
concern
me
about
is
some
of
the
photographs
which
I
think
were
from
Brixton
now.
Q
It
doesn't
look
at
all
scruffy,
which
is
one
of
the
complaints
that
we
that
we've
seen
from
the
public,
that
old
shipping
old
rusty
shipping
containers
going
to
look
scruffy,
this
sort
of
thing
so
I.
If
we
can
possibly
put
a
condition
on
that
everything
is
kept.
Looking
smart
I,
don't
know
if
we
can,
that
would
help,
and
so
far
as
have
to
come
up
with
another
question
to
the
officers.
Q
A
U
I've
been
very
encouraged
by
a
lot
of
the
speakers
that
this
evening
I've
had
meetings.
I
must
admit:
I
have
had
meetings
as
one
of
the
council's
vole
guild
award
I've
had
meetings
with
some
of
the
representatives
from
spark
at
an
early
stage.
I
take
particular
comment
in
a
sense
that,
and
my
cohort
made,
the
Piccadilly
has
in
a
sense
sat
there.
U
It
is
slightly
tidying
up,
but
it's
taken
a
long
time
and,
as
was
pointed
out,
this
has
been
blighted
by
in
a
sense,
big
complicated
attempts
to
have
big,
complicated
planning,
briefs
and
I
was
around
for
what
I
think
was
called
at
the
time.
Copper
gate
2,
which
did
not
achieve
what
we
had
hoped
it
might
achieve
so
I
think
looking
at
this
from
the
other
way
up
is
very,
very
positive.
U
It
is
interesting
to
see
what
has
happened
with
small
independent,
mostly
food
and
drink
outlets
in
Fosgate
and
parts
of
warm
gate.
The
difference
they
have
made
to
a
street
that
again
was
10
years
ago,
looking
very
down
at
heel
and
very
sorry
for
itself
and
I
accept
that
in
a
sense
Piccadilly,
because
in
it
is
almost
a
bit
of
a
blank,
canvas
isn't
going
to
be
done
in
exactly
the
same
way
as
wound
date,
because
you
haven't
got
those
small
buildings
and
outlets
that
people
can
take
on.
U
So
spark
ism
is
creating
that
opportunity
for
us
to
see
what
happens
and
if
we
can
encourage
visitors
and
residents
to
come
down
to
Piccadilly
to
enjoy,
what's
going
to
be
on,
offer
there
and
then
perhaps
to
be
able
to
move
sideways
and
cross
a
cross
over
the
falls
and
go
and
look
at
the
castle
museum.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
start
to
the
regeneration
at
that
end
of
York
needs
so
desperately
it
ought
to
be.
U
It's
really
special
ended
street
that
it
all
should
be
one
of
York's
big
thoroughfares,
but
it
has
not
succeeded
in
that
for
all
sorts
of
reasons.
So
I
am
very
happy
actually
to
move
this.
This
application
I
think
we
should
approve
it.
The
temporary
period
gives
it
a
chance
to
get
established
for
us
to
see
how
businesses
and
other
and.
U
U
A
O
Do
feel
on
Balan
slip.
This
application
motion
to
approve
is
actually
well
worth
seconding
and
I.
Think
did
somebody
describe
the
Piccadilly
area,
as
rather
tired
and
I?
Think
that's
a
very
fair
description
of
it
and,
and
you
don't
change
it
without
something
happening.
Something
happening
invariably
means
a
change
in
transport
patterns
of
change
in
occupation,
types
and
levels
are
levels
of
noise.
My
one
concern
about
the
open
aspect
of
the
upper
floor.
After
nine
o'clock
is
to
protect
residents,
immunity
in
terms
of
noise
levels
and
are
welcome
what
is
it
mr.
leash?
O
O
Don't
achieve
vibrancy
without
something
happening
and
to
me,
although
the
Reynolds
garage,
trolley,
bus
depot
or
air
speed,
building
as
we
we
knew
it
was,
was
a
really
sad
case,
and
it
was
impossible
to
to
maintain
it
as
it
turned
out
to
retain
it
as
it
turned
out
and
having
an
empty,
empty,
open
space.
There
is
equally
sad
from
the
point
of
view
of
Piccadilly
as
a
as
a
vibrant
area
of
the
city
center,
so
providing
that
the
noise
levels
can
be
contained.
I
would
be
content
to.
O
V
V
It
was
going
to
cause
anxiety
with
certain
sections
of
the
community
and
it
would
probably
cause
joy
and
pleasure
with
other
sections
of
the
community
and
of
course,
opinions
have
gone
one
way
and
the
other
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but,
as
somebody
said,
I
think
it
was
councilor
custom.
If
nothing
happens
on
this
site,
nothing,
you
know
nothing
will
be
seen
for
quite
some
considerable
time
and
you
do
need
a
magnet
or
a
starter
to
get
the
thing.
Moving.
V
I
understand
the
argument
without
starter
businesses,
but
I
understand
also
that
the
drinking
establishment
some
day
that
the
food
and
drink
establishments
will,
in
essence
because
of
their
compactness
attract
start
a
business
as
so,
while
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
one
wants
to
describe
a
starter.
Business
I
suspect
that
there
are
a
whole
range
of
things
that
I
I,
guess
that
this
will
be
seriously
a
series
of
starter
businesses.
V
I
also
think
that
having
seen
heaps
piles
of
X
or
derelict
or
scrap
containers
piled
up
in
large
heaps
I
suspect
many
people
have
got
the
impression
that
it's
going
to
look
something
like
that
I'm,
quite
quite
certain.
It
won't
look
anything
like
it
at
all.
We
are
not
going
to
see
a
series
of
rusty
containers
with
things
like
ceiling
printed
on
the
side
and
various
numbers
they
are
going
to
look.
V
I
would
hope
and
imagine
they
will
look
painted
and
quite
well
looked
after
I,
do
understand
and
do
accept
people's
concern
about
the
noise,
but
equally
so
I
think
the
gentleman
mr.
leach
has
made
it
quite
clear
that
they'll
do
everything
he
can
to
keep
the
residents
happy
and
so
I
have
great
pleasure,
Jer
I'm,
looking
forward
to
it,
because
it's
handy
it's
near
the
bus
carpark
and
it's
near
the
bus
actually
as
well.
V
W
You,
chair
and
Piccadilly
is
never
been
beautiful,
its
nascent
it's
never
been
somewhere
that
people
would
actually
want
to
go
to
I
think
when
I
was
growing
up,
there
was
a
tire
place
and
a
builders
merchants,
and
things
like
that
down
there,
but
what's
the
type
of
place
that
people
could
imagine
when
they
talked
about
this
being
a
HEPA
load,
if
all
containers
with
a
link
written
on
the
side
of
it,
that's
probably
what
you
would
have
imagined
down
Piccadilly
endure
in
the
past,
but
now
it's
got
two
important.
What
if
this
is
turned
down?
W
What
is
going
to
happen
to
that
fight?
What
is
it
just
going
to
remain
an
empty
lot
like
it
is
now,
but
can't
some
said
it's
got.
Something's
got
to
happen.
I
think
this
is
quite
exciting
and
I
think
this
is
something
different
for
York
I
think
it
will
attract
people
and
I.
Think
it'll
make
me
a
reason
that
people
want
to
go
and
have
a
look
down
there,
which
can
only
be
beneficial
for
other
businesses.
W
B
B
It's
an
area
that's
been
in
need
of
something
for
quite
concerned
some
considerable
time
and
I
don't
buy
the
argument
that
was
made
earlier,
that
a
derelict
site
is
somehow
more
marketable
than
one
that
is
lively
and
packed,
and,
as
one
of
the
other
speakers
mentioned,
the
the
examples
on
Fosgate
and
warm
gate
show
what
having
new
businesses
and
youth
thriving
energy
in
that
area
really
does
transform.
Every
round.
B
We've
talked
at
length
in
the
city
about
trying
to
do
something
about
the
early
evening
economy
that
we
don't
want
to
be
a
place
where
people
leave
at
five
o'clock
and
only
come
on
8
o'clock
and
so
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
have
something
they
started
to
try
and
bridge
that
gap
slightly.
There
are
valid
concern
to
think
over
issues
around
security
and
noise,
but
I'm
perfectly
comfortable.
The
things
like
that
can
be
covered
by
the
licensing
process.
B
I
think
on
a
final
note,
I
didn't
want
the
hordes
of
people
nationwide
and
possibly
internationally
the
watchtower
planning
committee
to
consider
us
to
be
elitist
in
any
way.
So,
having
done
a
little
bit
of
research,
I
can
confirm
the
Brixton's
Victorian
town
centre
was
designated
a
conservation
area
in
1980
and,
while
pop
Brixton
is
just
on
the
edge,
probably
50
to
60
metres
outside
of
that
that
core
conservation
area
is
only
on
the
cusp,
so
Brixton
does
also
have
conservation
areas,
not
just
York.
Ok,.
A
S
I
think
I'd
like
to
very
much
support
this
initiative.
As
has
been
said,
it's
innovative,
it's
something
which
the
city
needs
to
be
able
to
I
mean
one
of
the
the
main
barriers
for
a
lot
of
start-up
businesses
is
premises,
the
cost
of
premises
and-
and
this
is
providing
something
where
people
can
try
out
a
venture
with
without
too
much
investment
and.
S
Take
one
of
three
that
that's
really
what
we
we
need
to
be
providing,
and
the
other
point
that's
being
made
is
about
the
you
know.
The
early
evening
economy
I
mean
I
was
some
of
the
councillors
were
on
a
scrutiny
but
looked
to
that
issue,
and
this
was
actually
one
of
the
areas
that
we
were
saying
is
particularly
dead
at
that
that
time
and
I
think
you
know,
when
people
come
to
York,
we
want
to
encourage
them
to
stay
for
that
bit
longer,
particularly
if
you've
got
young
families.
I
know
from
my
experience.
S
I
have
about
that
the
comments
that
we
had
from
councilor
waters
about
not
having
advertising
on
the
outside
I'd
like
to
see
some
sort
of
temporary
exhibition
space
or
something,
but
you
know
so
that
that's
adds
the
vibrancy
rather
than
just
being
a
sort
of
an
obvious
target
for
graffiti
artists.
Darling,
you
put
complete
blank
walls,
so
you
know
I
think
that
may
be
something
that
could
be
locked
out
and
presumably
they
would
make
further
applications
if
needs
be
to
to
get
permission,
to
vary
the
applicant
leap.
S
What
is
allowed,
but
you
know
something:
that's
that's
vibrant
and
also
the
whole
thing
about
the
shipping
containers
and
is
getting
that
balance
between
something
that's
appropriate
for
consolation
over
if
you
go
to
other
other
places
in
this
country
or
abroad,
and
that
it's
that
contrast,
isn't
it
if
you
look
at
the
his
cough
building
student
right
next
to
the
Black
Swan
and
that
has
got
you
know,
design
awards
for
its
it's
a
attractiveness
and
being
very
different,
but
nevertheless
fitting
into
its
setting.
So
you
know
I
very
much.
Welcome
this
one
to
sporting.
That's.
G
I
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
bear
in
mind.
That
area
is
very
quiet.
No,
it
is
now
bordered
by
residential
and
nobody's
actually
said
that.
Yet,
apart
from
the
other
side,
when
she's
commercial
but
shoots
at
five
o'clock,
so
when
you
go
down,
there
goes
quiet,
which
is
why
I
have
a
concern
about
the
top
floor
being
up
and
past
nine
o'clock,
I
think
the
noise
will
carry
and
to
say
that
licensing
will
picky
talk.
As
a
member
of
that
committee,
I
have
heard
a
number
of
times.
G
Why
hasn't
Planning
picked
this
up?
Why
have
they
not
put
something
in
place
and
we
end
up
with
something
where
nobody
can
do
anything?
Yes,
the
applicant
has
said
that
he
will
do
this.
They
will
do
that.
Honey
probably
will
do,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
actually
have
something
in
place,
something
tangible
to
say
look.
No.
These
are
the
grounds
you
will
clear
with
our.
You
will.
Stick
to
them.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
the
people
who
live
around
there
in
a
very
quiet
area,.
G
V
A
B
G
A
A
E
Picking
up
on
up
councillor,
Richardson
said
and
I
certainly
won't
be,
supporting
this
and
I
think
the
most
striking
thing
was
what
mr.
Proctor
said
that
the
local
authority
has
a
duty
of
care
to
the
people
that
live
surrounding
this
site.
For
years,
this
council
has
tried
to
encourage
people
to
actually
live
in
the
city
center
again
and
when
the
duel
start
to
move
into
the
city
center,
the
expect
levels
of
protection
living
in
a
conservation
area.
E
A
lot
of
them
wouldn't
dream
about
something
like
this
import
on
them,
especially
neighbors
to
this
area,
would
have
been
expecting
a
comprehensive
redevelopment
of
this
area
to
have
taken
place
by
now.
In
fact,
the
very
fact
that
this
is
in
front
of
the
Planning
Committee
is
an
admission
of
failure
by
this
local
authority,
I
mean
spent
20
years
trying
to
get
a
redevelopment
of
this
area
and
going
back
to
that
statement
guilty
of
care.
B
Want
to
want
to
do
sponsor
that
comment
to
them.
The
rapture
saying
the
residents
wouldn't
expect
to
have
something
like
this.
It
is
a
relatively
modest
seating
area
open
for
I.
Think
the
concern
is
for
round
about
9:00
to
11:00
o'clock
at
night.
When
anybody
bought
my
property,
they
would
see
a
very
similar
thing:
existing,
not
25
yards
away
at
the
Red
Lion
pub
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
the
speaker
that
he
hasn't
experienced
that
kind
of
level
of
noise.
B
That
pub
has
been
closed
for
quite
some
considerable
period
of
time
in
terms
of
the
usage
of
that
building.
That
could
change
over
time
at
any
given
point
that
may
not
be
the
type
of
ambience
that
is
there,
but
a
new
landlord
could
come
in
and
take
over
that
premises
who
may
want
to
further
exploit
the
outdoor
seating
within
the
area.
So
while
it
is
unfortunately
spot
I
think
that
does
have
to
be
some
acceptance
that
he
was
aware
that
such
things
were
in
the
vicinity.
This
is
an
increase
on
that
I.
B
H
Reduction
I
wasn't
going
to
speak,
but
we
keep
going
round
and
round
and
I
I
will
be
supporting
it.
I
had
some
concerns
about
noise,
I'm
convinced,
firstly,
by
the
passionate
speech
of
the
applicant
and
his
assurance
that
they
are
going
to
manage
themselves.
I
think
it's
in
their
interest
to
do
so,
both
commercially
and
in
terms
of
their
relationship
that
they
clearly
want
to
have
long
term
with
the
city.
H
I
respect
that
I
think
we
do
have
measures
within
the
council's
and
armory
in
terms
of
dealing
with
noise
problems
if
they
occur,
I've
lived
right
in
the
city
center
right
next
to
the
Minster
trust
me.
If
you
didn't,
have
a
plugs,
you
couldn't
sleep,
and
that
was
in
the
heart
of
one
of
the
most
critical
conservation
areas
in
this
city.
I
think
this
is
a
difficult
one
for
this
city,
we're
very
risk-averse
about
anything.
H
P
A
C
A
So
no,
we
can't
really
answer
that
question,
but
it
will
be
at
least
11
for
the
pub
bunted
it
right.
Okay,
I
I
unbalanced
I
think
I
shall
be
supporting
this
I
I
did
come
well,
I
been
ambivalent
about
it,
but
I
needed
I
needed
persuading
I.
Think
partly
as
council
Galvan
said,
because
the
original
thing
was
a
load
of
old
shipping
containers
piled
up,
and
it
clearly
is
not
that
and
I
do
think
that
the
applicants
have
worked
very
hard
to
relay
the
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
during
the
consultation
period.
A
Think
and
council
agador
own
suggestion
of
possibly
some
outdoor
exhibition
or
murals
by
schoolchildren
or
something
would
be
would
be
good.
So
obviously
there
is
a
condition
on
that,
and
hopefully,
if
officers
are
listening,
peep
out,
they'll
I
think
it's
otherwise
I
think
it
is
looking
in
on
itself
rather
than
looking
out
to
the
city.
I
did
want
to
make
a
very
brief
comment
on
mr.
Mavericks
comments
that
site
he
referred
to
happens
to
be
in
my
world
and
without
going
into
any
details.
A
A
It
will
be
open
to
conjecture,
so
I
think
that
that
doesn't
really
have
any
bearing
on
our
on
our
discussion
today
and
as
regard
to
the
comments
from
the
neighbor
with
the
licensing,
I
will
ask
the
officer
to
make
sure
she
knows
that
those
are
many
of
those
who
issues
to
be
able
dealt
by
licensing
and
that
she
should
be
making
representations
at
the
appropriate
time.
So
it
has
been
moved
and
seconded
officers
have
asked
for
some.
A
A
Reduces
any
noise
on
the
neighbors
the
hours
of
operation
to,
in
addition
to
say
that
the
site
should
be
closed
by
by
midnight.
That
obviously
allows
for
clearing
up,
but
doesn't
allow
staff
to
have
parties
into
the
night
and
we've
put
in
no
performance
of
music,
because
obviously
you
might
get
a
trombone
player
in
there
might
new
his
he
won't
be
amplified
or
recording,
but
he
would
still
be
very
noisy
and
I
would
suggest
myself
an
informative.
A
Obviously,
the
applicant
was
very
encouraging
over
his
plans
to
talk
with
local
people
about
any
issues,
and
although
we
can't
condition
it
I
would
suggest
an
informative
applicants
are
encouraged
to
have
an
ongoing
dialogue
with
neighbors
to
address
issues
arising
from
the
operation
of
a
development,
obviously
that
some
of
those
would
also
be
issued
with
dealt
with
by
licensing.
So
is
the
mover
happy
to
accept
those
amendments?