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From YouTube: Staffing Matters & Urgency Committee, 21 September 2020
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AGENDA (To view individual agenda items click on the links below)
1. Declarations of Interest 00:00:29
2. Exclusion of Press and Public 00:00:40
3. Minutes 00:01:14
4. Public Participation 00:01:40
5. Update on Recruitment of the Assistant Director (AD) Housing and Community Safety 00:01:47
6. Propsed CLG interim structure 00:05:06
7. Overview Timeline on Structural Changes 00:18:05
8. Work Plan 00:22:59
9. Exit Discretion 00:23:42
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A
Hello,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
meeting
of
the
staffing
matters
and
urgency
committee
and
if
I
could
welcome
members
of
the
committee
and
officers
and
everybody
is
here,
that
should
be
so
we
don't
have
any
apologies
or
substitutes
to
to
report
on
and
and
equally
to
say
hello
to
those
watching
the
the
meeting
either
live
or
or
at
a
later
opportunity
and
first
item
is
declarations
of
interest.
Does
anybody
want
to
declare
a
declaration
of
interest?
I
can't
see
any
so.
A
And
could
I
ask
for
agreement
that
when
we
get
to
agenda
item
nine
and
that
will
therefore
exclude
the
the
press
and
public
if
I
could
see
those
in
favor
of
that
please?
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
a
clear,
clear
majority
in
favor
of
of
that
and
item
three
is
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting,
and
this
meeting
was
held
on
24th
of
august
and
those
minutes
have
now
followed
and
been
published
on
the
the
city
of
york
council
system
and
any
matters
arising
from
those
minutes.
A
If
not,
if
I
could
see
those
in
favor
of
accepting
those,
please.
Thank
you
very
much
again.
A
clear
majority
in
favor
of
that
and
item
four
is
public
participation
and
we
don't
have
any
registered
public
participants
today,
which
means
we
can
then
move
straight
on
to
gender
item
five,
which
is
the
update
on
recruitment
of
an
assistant
director,
housing
and
community
safety,
and
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
ian
first.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
committee
will
be
aware
of
the
background
in
terms
of
this
post.
B
The
recruitment
process
was
followed
a
few
months
ago
and
an
appointment
was
made,
but
unfortunately
the
individual
chose
to
withdraw
just
prior
to
commencement
of
the
post.
So
obviously
the
post
takes
you
through
some
options
that
are
being
considered
in
terms
of
what
we
might
do
in
terms
of
posts
going
forward.
B
B
C
Yeah,
just
just
a
couple:
obviously
it
was
the
we
went
back
to
the
subcommittee
that
was
set
up
as
a
as
a
result
of
the
agreement
by
staffing
matters
and
they
were
provided
with
those
three
options,
and
it
was.
It
was
option
three
that
that
is
a
committee
recommended.
A
Questions
I
can't
see
any
questions,
so
we've
got
the
recommendation
in
front
of
us,
which
is
truly
just
said,
there's
a
recommendation
that
we
go
for
option
three.
That
has
come
from
the
appointments
subcommittee
and
can
I
therefore
see
those
in
favor
of
that.
A
A
C
A
Could
could
carry
on
and
thank
you
very
much
so
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
six,
which
is
the
proposed
interim
structure
that
is
listed
on
pages
17
to
28
and
I'm
gonna
first
hand
over
to
ian,
and
then
I'm
sure
trudy
will
want
to
add
something
and-
and
we're
also
joined
by
amanda.
In
case
of
any
questions,
particularly
relating
to
the
proposals
covering
social
care
and.
B
Ian
okay,
thank
you.
The
corporate
director
for
health
housing,
adult
social
care,
has
resigned
from
the
council
and
her
last
day
of
employment
is
the
18th
of
october.
So
obviously,
we've
had
to
consider
options
in
terms
of
what
we
would
do
clearly
again
because
of
the
ongoing
processes
in
terms
of
the
council
structure
and
activity.
It
will
take
place
over
the
next
two
or
three
months.
B
B
B
The
we
are
proposing
that
the
assistant
director
roles
you
just
talked
about
would
then
move
over
into
the
economy
in
place
directorate
and
in
respect
of
adult
social
care
that
that
would
then
be
overseen
by
amanda,
and
that
would
effectively
form
an
interim
director
of
people,
services,
current
adult
services
and
children.
So
that
is
the
proposed
structure
effectively
to
support
that.
B
E
B
Clearly
I
think
we're
stressed-
and
this
is
just
an
interim
proposal
clearly
as
we
move
forward
and
develop
a
permanent
structure
that
needs
to
take
into
account
a
lot
of
issues
and
clearly
the
final
permanent
structure
may
look
somewhat
different
to
this.
This
very
much
is
about
interim
arrangements
to
get
us
over
the
next
three
or
four
months
with
you
to
then
a
further
report,
as
we've
said
coming
forward
in
next
two
or
three
months
and
clearly
am
seven
updates
a
bit
in
terms
of
that
time
scale.
So
I'll
stop
at
that
point.
B
C
And
I
don't
think
I've
got
much
more
to
add.
To
be
honest,
there
is
the
the
actual
diagrams
are
on
page
27
28,
which
show
you
the
the
structure
charts
for
ease
of
reference,
on
what
the
two
differences
are
and
and
how
it,
how
ian
set
it
out
already
and
again
it
is.
It
is
an
interim
structure
and
ian's
done
consultation
with
members
of
clg,
which
is
that
that
chief
officer
cohort
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
explaining
the
it's
an
interim
structure
and
that
they'll
be.
C
We
will
open
up
the
consultation
with
those
staff
as
well
for
the
permanent
structure
and
obviously
we're
going
to
the
paper
next.
But
it's
it's
tying
in
with
everything,
with
all
of
the
changes
all
together,
and
obviously
this
gives
us
the
opportunity,
especially
with
the
budgetary
pressures
to
hold
it,
cover
it
interimly.
C
D
F
What
we're
making
reference
to
there
is
the
local
government
association
have
developed
a
methodology
which
is
looking
at
organizations
that
are
looking
to
move
to
a
people
directorate,
so
in
essence
having
the
statutory
director
of
children,
services
and
the
statutory
of
das
function
together
in
one
directorate
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
the
right
quality
assurance
and
governance
frameworks
in
so
that
both
of
those
statutory
functions
remain
safe
and
continue
to
deliver
the
kind
of
quality
services
that
that
we
need
to
deliver.
F
A
Guess,
thank
you
very
much
question
from
from
me
for,
for
you,
ian
is
which
you
touched
on
again.
It
says
in
the
paper
that
the
the
time
the
the
was
published,
the
consultation
meetings
hadn't
finished,
have
they
all
now
taken
place
and
and
and
finished
any
anything
in
particular
to
to
say
on
them.
B
Yeah
we've
had
those,
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
people
have
got
clearly
ideas
in
terms
of
long-term
structure.
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
issues.
One
of
the
things
we've
said
is
we
needed
to
do
this
fairly
quickly
and
fairly?
Simply,
you
know,
we
didn't
have
the
time
to
start
looking
at
how
certain
services
might
join
up
the
you
know
where
you
might
have
certain
heads
of
service,
or
you
know
how
you
could
make
changes.
B
So
it
is
very
much
a
bit
of
a
cut
and
paste,
and
I
think
some
of
the
comments
have
reflected
on
the
fact
that
the
longer
term
structure
might
need.
You
know
a
bit
more
detail
in
terms
of
looking
at
certain
things.
B
I
think
people
can
generally
understand
it.
I
think
there
had
been
raised.
You
know
one
or
two
concerns
about
deeds.
Did
that
still
give
the
strength
in
terms
of
adult
services,
and
you
know
I
think
I've
been
clear
in
terms
of
certainly
as
we
go
forward.
That
is
absolutely
key,
and
you
know
what
what
amanda's
just
talked
about
hopefully
gives
that
assurance,
because
clearly,
in
the
longer
term,
we
do
need
strong,
effective
management
structures
covering
the
people
services.
B
They
are
absolutely
key
in
terms
of
what
the
council
delivers
and
clearly
we
will
have
to
look
at.
You
know
that
that
structure
in
the
longer
term.
This
is
an
interim
structure,
but
over
the
next
couple
of
months
and
linked
to
what
amanda
has
just
said,
we
will
look
at
developing
further
proposals
and
how
the
pump
structure
goes
in,
but
in
the
main
I
think
I
feel
generally
supportive
of
it,
but
with
lots
of
ideas,
I
think,
in
terms
of
permanent
structure.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions,
if
not
andy,.
E
I
mean
actually
that
that
was
going
to
be
my
name,
and
I
know
till
on
paragraph
41.
You
say
that
the
trade
unions
have
been
trade
unions
have
been
advised
of
a
proposal
and
initial
consultation
document
shared,
I
kind
of
assume
as
you've,
from
what
you've
said.
That
they've
had
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
on
this
arrangement
and,
as
you
said,
there
is
a
longer
term
view,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
this
will
still
function
efficiently
in
the
interim.
E
B
No
in
terms
of
the
you
know,
certainly
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
recommending
this.
If
we
thought
it
had
significant
risk,
we
feel
it
actually
has.
You
know
significant
potential
to
improve
things.
B
You
know,
particularly
on
the
people's
side
and
look
at
opportunities
to
join
things
up
and
also,
I
think,
look
at
opportunities
where
actually
the
people
servicing
totality
can
be
looked
to
join
up
with
aspects
of
other
partners
in
terms
of
the
nhs
and
so
you
know
that's
critical,
both
in
children's
and
adults,
but
I
think
there
may
be
opportunities
where
actually
we've
missed
them,
because
I've
been
in
two
different
directorates
in
the
past.
B
Certainly
the
consultation,
you
know,
for
example,
ccg
has
taken
place
and
they
see
some
significant
opportunities
going
forward,
so
absolutely
confident
that
the
interim
structure
will
provide
that
assurance
and,
as
I
say,
opportunities
to
improve,
but
clearly
the
permanent
one
will
just
need
to
consider
things
going
forward.
The
unions
are
supportive
of
it
truly
might
be,
give
a
bit
more
detail,
so
she's
had
most
of
the
discussion
with
them,
but
certainly
my
understanding
is.
They
are
supportive
of
this
and
we
will
clearly
engage
with
them
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
permanent
solution.
C
Yeah,
so
just
quickly
on
the
trade
unions,
the
support,
so
we
I've
shared
I've,
been
open
with
them
from
the
beginning,
really
in
terms
of
what
we
were
looking
to
propose
and
they're
fully
supportive
of
it.
But
obviously,
as
ian
said,
that
kind
of
input
into
that
longer
term
structure
is
important
to
see
it
as
the
seat
very
much
as
an
interim
and
and
a
sensible
cut
and
paste
in
a
sense
of
kind
of
what
he
understood
there.
C
And
but
they
will
be
fully
involved
in
the
they'll,
be
fully
involved
in
the
permanent
kind
of
structured
discussions
as
well.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
we've
got
the
the
recommendations,
paragraph
49
on
page
24
and
25,
and
can
I
see
all
those
in
favor
of
those
recommendations?
Please.
A
That's
a
clear
majority
in
favor
of
those
recommendations,
and
now
that
we've
passed
that
one
of
the
proposals
there
is
to
establish
two
recruitment
panels
for
the
purpose
of
doing
doing
that
so
for
for
our
nominations
for
the
interim
director
of
place,
although
it
is
two
liberal
democrat
places,
if
I
could
nominate
councillor
craig
hill
who
will
chair
that
panel
and
councillor
walla
and
then
for
the
interim
director
of
children,
if
I
could
nominate
councillor
cochran
who
will
chair
that
panel
and
councillor
smally,
please
they
might
be
putting
you
on
the
spot
council
mice,
but
you
can
all
you
could
email
them
afterwards.
A
I
think
jamie.
You
said:
if
that's,
if
that's
easier,.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
I
for
the
for
the
director
of
place.
I
I'd
like
to
propose
councillor
pavlovic
and
then
for
the
the
second
post.
If
I
can
come
back
to
you
quickly
tomorrow,
after
doing
a
little
round
robin
there
that'd
be
helpful.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
thank
you
all
for
that,
and
I
think
we
now
say
goodbye
to
ian
and
and
amanda
who
will
be
leaving
us
after
that
item.
So
thank
you
both
very
much,
and
so
that
then
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
seven,
which
is
the
overview
timeline
on
structural
changes
and
I'll
hand
over
to
truly.
C
Yeah,
so
this
was-
and
this
was
requested
by
yourselves
after
the
last
committee
of
count
following
the
agreement
to
move
to
the
chief
operating
officer
model
and
then
obviously,
since
that
time
we've
had
the
the
eight
ada
of
housing
withdraw
and
obviously
the
the
resignation
of
the
corporate
director
as
well,
so
they're
all
they're,
all
kind
of
running
parallel.
C
So
the
I've
put
together
some
details
in
here
for
you
in
terms
of
the
proposed
timeline
for
all
the
activity
and
covering
that
kind
of
the
new
structures
at
chief
officer
level,
and
that
would
agree
to
the
chief
operating
model,
as
you
said,
so
this
the
recommendation
is,
is
for
you
to
note
the
content
of
the
report
really
and
just
take
you
through
some
of
the
the
key
bits
I
mean.
C
I
don't
know
how
much
detail
you
want
to
go
through,
so
there
is
multiple
activities
that
are
currently
happening
across
the
chief
office
of
cohort
now,
so
we've
got
the
chief
operating
officer
implementation
that
was
agreed.
Excuse
me
at
the
24th
of
august,
the
assistant
director
of
finance,
which
was
part
of
that
paper.
C
The
interim
clg
structure,
which
you've
just
covered
today,
which
covers
for
the
vacant
corporate
director
of
health,
housing,
adult
social
care,
the
interim
a
day
of
housing
and
community
safety
and
then
the
permanent
structure
for
the
chief
officer
chief
officers,
as
as
requested
by
staffing
matters
last
month
or
the
month
before.
C
We're,
probably
all
the
same
that
all
the
months
are
kind
of
going
into
one
high
level
timeline,
then
so
the
chief
operating
officer
appointment
will
be
approved
at
full
council
at
the
end
of
october
and
full
council
day,
we've
got
a
a
subcommittee,
an
appointment
committee
set
up
to
take
place
on
the
1st
of
october,
and
but
full
council
has
to
approve
that
at
the
end
of
october.
C
The
ad
director
of
finance
and
again
is
hope
that
we'll
be
able
to
notify
full
council
as
well
in
terms
of
who
it's
for
naught
in
the
section
151
appointment
and
again,
I'm
just
waiting
on
some
of
the
dates
there,
because
some
of
the
consultation
may
may
take
that
a
little
bit
longer
and
the
interim
clg
structure
as
approved
today,
is
to
be
in
place
by
the
19th
of
october.
C
So
it's
hoped
that
we'll
get
those
because
there's
no
no
job
losses
and
it's
development
opportunities
that
will
be
offered
to
the
uds
and
those
relevant
areas
to
express
interest,
and
then
the
recruitment
panel
will
take
place.
C
It's
hoped
that
that
will
all
happen
so
everything's
in
place
by
the
19th
of
october,
when,
when
the
carpet
directors
left
and
the
ad
for
housing
to
hopefully
be
appointed
by
the
end
of
september
now
I
think
that,
because
of
the
dates
for
panel,
I
think
that's
actually
moving
to
about
the
second
of
october
and
then
the
consultations.
What
we're!
What
we're
doing
is
starting
the
consultation
for
the
permanent
structure
for
chief
officers
late
september.
C
So
what
we've
indicated
is
starting
that
consultation
within
the
next
couple
of
days
really
out
to
chief
officers
to
look
at
what
ideas
they've
got
and
to
come
back
to
staffing
matters
in
december
with
the
proposal
now.
What
happens
then
is
obviously
that'll
be
for
discussion
with
yourselves
and
depending
on,
which
is
your
preferred
option.
We
then
have
to
come
out
and
do
the
formal
consultation
and
again,
depending
on
who's,
how
many
jobs
are
affected
and
what
impact
it
is
on.
C
Those
jobs
will
depend
on
some
of
the
timelines,
but
it's
anticipate
that
that
can
be
fully
completed
by
the
31st
of
march,
obviously,
depending
on,
if
there's
there's
less
impact
upon
staff
than
some
of
the
consultation
might
be
quicker,
and
I
can
go
in
a
bit
more
detail
if
you
want
it
are
the
the
individual
timelines?
Are
there
on
page
31,
for
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
any
questions
from
anybody
for
trudy.
A
I
can't
see
any.
I
think
it's
a
really
useful
summary
document
and,
and
I'm
sure
one
that
and
not
that
we'll
we'll
keep
you
to
every
last
date
in
it,
but
I'm
sure
that
we'll
look
back
on
in
in
future
meetings,
because
certainly
from
my
perspective
and
particularly
in
terms
of
that
march
21
deadline
and
it
is
important
to
have
a
permanent
structure
in
in
place
as
soon
as
possible
and
and
moving
forward.
A
So
it's
useful
to
see
how
the
the
different
pieces
can
slot
into
place
to
get
us
to
that
point
with,
as
you
say,
quite
a
lot
of
consultation
and
with
staff
unions,
groups
and
and
others
along
along
the
way,
and
so
we've
got
a
recommendation
at
paragraph
five.
And
can
I
see
those
in
favor
of
of
accepting
that?
A
C
So
so
we
haven't
included
the
work
plan
and
what
we're
going
to
suggest
is
actually
with
these
timelines
that
we've
put
in
so
the
work
plan
is
quite
mainly
the
standard
agenda
items
that
we
put
in
and
then
every
six
months
you
get
a
workforce
profile
through
and
what
it's
going
to
suggest
is
we
update
that
that
work
plan
with
the
dates
that
we've
committed
to
in
this
paper
and
bring
that
back
for
next
next
month's
meeting.
A
Great
yes,
yes,
please
so
in
fact,
yeah
that
could
come
round
and
be
an
agenda
item
for
the
next
time.
I
assume,
therefore,
there
isn't
anything
for
us
to
note
other
than
we'll
receive
that
information
at
the
next
meeting,
so
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
nine
exit
discretion
and
we
agreed
at
the
the
start
of
the
meeting
when
we
got
to
this
item
and
that
would
exclude
the
the
press
and
public.
A
So
thank
you
to
those
that
have
joined
us
and
and
listened
to
the
meeting
and
have
a
good
evening.
And
if
the
committee
members
could
now
stay
and
we'll
we'll
deal
with
agenda
item
nine.