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A
Okay,
thank
you
for
us.
There
were
two
other
questions
at
least
or
three,
even
that
were
raised
by
the
speaker.
There
were
mostly
about
what
the
reserves
were
to
look
after
the
pumps.
I
think
wasn't
it
in
terms
of
the
1987
pumps,
have
they
been
properly
maintained
and
what
spares
are
held
to
sustain
them?
Is
that
right?
That's
some!
So
can
anyone
answer
that
question.
B
B
Pleased
I
am
Peter
Holmes
and
for
the
environment
agency,
the
the
continuity
plans
for
the
Foss
barrier
failing
is
to
issue
the
severe
flood
warning
because
the
as
market
explain,
the
capacity
of
the
pumping
station
is
so
great.
We
can't
get
template
pumps
and
there
quick
enough
to
actually
a
system.
As
Mark
has
already
said,
these
temporary
pump
sees
them
24
inch
pumps
that
you
might
have
seen
down
in
there
in
Somerset
on
the
television
they
can
each
pump
1
cubic
meters
per
second
2,000
liters
per
second.
B
B
They
have
been
refurbished
a
number
of
times
since
then,
and
so
they
are
and
they
have,
since
the
floods
work
very
well
in
terms
of
the
spares
we
do
carry
spares
on
site,
but
obviously
we
don't
carry
spare
palms
because
to
actually
get
comes
in
and
out.
You
need
a
big
crane
and
obviously
doing
the
food.
You
can't
get
the
crane
anywhere
near
that
I'm.
Sorry
I
forgot
what
the
fourth
question
was.
Could
you
repeat
the
fourth
question?
The.
C
B
The
supply
okay,
once
the
once
the
pumping
station
had
failed
and
the
the
electrics
like
chair
got,
got
swamped.
We
couldn't
then
use
the
control
system
in
the
pumps
in
the
pin
the
station
to
operate
the
pumps.
The
only
way
we
could
do
that
is
by
getting
what's
called
the
direct
start
and
generators
in
there
to
actually
do
that
and
that's
what
saw
the
Chinook
helicopter
bringing
in
was
the
direct
starts
for
the
pump.
B
So
each
one
of
the
pumps
have
one
of
these
direct
starts
to
be
able
to
operated
and
we
used
the
generator
actually
on
site
and
brought
in
additional
generation
to
actually
run
all
those
pump.
So
that's
why
we've
got
all
eight
pumps
running
by
the
twenty-nine,
thirty
or
fifty
three
hours
from
the
time.
C
B
It
took
is
about
two
and
a
half
days
to
get
all
that,
get
all
the
organized,
because
you
can
really.
You
can
recognize
what
these
haven't
you
having
to
get
me.
The
equipment
in
from
the
from
the
military
took
some
some
time
to
organize.
So
that's
that's,
hopefully,
I'll
answer
your
question
there.
Okay,.
A
B
B
The
book
the
pumping
station
now
is
working
working,
yes,
but
right.
It
was
working
before
because
and
before
the
the
inundation,
because
what
happened
was
the
the
water
came
up
inside
the
pumping
station
and
ben
drowned
out
all
the
control
panel,
so
we
couldn't
use
them.
That's
why
we
need
the
direct
stats
on
top
of
the
pumping
station
they're
still
in
place
and
they'll
stay
or
stay
in
place
until
such
time
as
we
can
get
new
new
control
systems
put
in
place.
So
that's
that's
the
contingency
plan.
B
D
B
E
At
seven
o'clock
in
the
evening
I
could
see
there
was
a
problem,
but
nobody
came.
Nothing
was
said
where
I
actually
was
sealed
off
other
than
going
out
of
the
back
way,
and
then
you
couldn't
go
anywhere
else,
but
nobody
please
nothing
against
anybody
in
particular.
But
nobody
came
and
said
there
is
a
severe
problem.
They
knew
the
foss
barrier,
wasn't
working
I,
seven
o'clock
that
evening,
but
nobody
came
and
then
at
ten
past
one
in
the
morning,
the
police
and
whoever
else
it
was
came.
E
Would
you
like
evacuating
I,
live
on
a
top
floor
flat?
Wouldn't
it
be
more
sensible
to
bring
sandbags
and
to
inform
the
people?
What
was
on
the
ground
floor
earlier
on
that
they
could
have
had
help
to
get
out?
My
friend
live
virtual
around
the
corner.
They
know
nothing
until
the
following
day,
but
they
had
Sun
bags.
Why
wasn't
anybody
else
give
him
the
sandbox,
but
nobody
brought
am
on
navigation
road
on
the
division
at
all.
What.
A
G
H
I
F
I
can
explain
from
my
position
because
I
was
actually
I
was
actually
working
over
the
night
shift
on
Boxing
Day
night,
so
I
was
I
was
called
in
to
work
on
that
in
terms
of
the
police,
silver
control
in
terms
of
warning
people
and
informing
people
like
I
said
it
was
ten
past
seven,
when
the
silver
commander
was
informed
that
the
foss
barrier
was
being
raised.
Okay,
the
timeline
has
been
explained.
F
H
F
The
touch
I'm,
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
explain
to
you
what
what
what
was
we
need
as
a
police,
okay,
information
of
and
what
I
requested,
was
what
are
what
I
called
the
priority.
One
addresses
what
those
addresses
that
are
either
flooding
or
immediate
risk
of
flooding.
This
over
600
addresses
we
were
given.
I
have.
A
J
You
very
much
indeed
could
I
first
of
all
ask
the
microphone
is
actually
handed
round
the
room
so
that
we
are
not
left
trying
to
shout
over
each
other.
Whilst
the
panel
is
properly
miked.
I
would
ask
that
please,
on
behalf
of
the
audience,
I
want
to
try
and
redirect
this
slightly.
The
Environment
Agency
very
definitely
has
some
real
questions
to
answer
on
this,
but
my
concern
as
a
volunteer
after
the
flood
happened
has
been
about
the
recovery
effort.
J
J
This
is
really
directed
towards
the
chief
executive.
Does
he
really
feel
as
Sally
burns?
The
director
of
neighborhoods
and
communities
said
to
me
the
other
day
that
the
City
of
York
Council
has
done
a
cracking
job
when
people
weren't
warned
volunteers,
weren't,
coordinated
properly
or
they're
volunteering
emails,
not
even
replied
to
skips
provision
and
waste
disposal
was
not
adequately
organized
still
isn't
adequately.
Organized
businesses
and
householders
in
many
areas
have
not
been
supported.
Some
of
them
have
not
even
yet
been
contacted.
Did
you
do
a
cracking
job?
Mr.
Stewart.
K
Well,
thank
you.
As
I
said,
as
I
said
earlier,
there
was
a
certain
amount
of
improvisation
and
had
to
be
done
here
because
they're.
The
reason
why
there
is
a
gap
is
because
initially
we
had
no
concrete
information
about
which
properties
were
going
to
be
fully
because
people's
expectations,
people's
expect
it
was
expectations.
People's
expectations
were
that
the
berry
would
work
now
in
relation
to
things
like
skips,
you
know
we
don't
have
to
provide
you
with
skips
lots
of
people.
Lots
of
councils
done,
yeah
can
I
if
I
can
just
finish
a
sentence.
L
M
A
J
There
were,
there
were
means
to
actually
get
the
message
out
there
I'm
concerned
at
the
amount
of
emergency
planning
there
has
been
within
the
council.
For
example,
turbo
talk,
tabletop
exercises
gaming.
Has
that
been
done?
Those
are
questions.
For
another
day,
you've
mentioned
skips
I'm
just
going
to
come
back
on
that
right
now,
I
spoke
to
your
waist
three
days
ago.
I
was
told
that
50
of
their
skips
had
been
sent
as
Cumbria.
Now,
that
is
quite
understandable.
J
Cumbria
flooded
before
we
did,
however,
the
situation
was
skips,
has
been
abysmal
throughout
York
during
the
flooding
I'm.
Sorry,
please
don't
raise
your
eyebrows
at
me.
I
can
see
it
from
here.
It
has
been
abysmal.
We
have
had
skips
that
have
been
unemployed
for
over
four
days,
that
is
a
public
health
risk.
There
has
been
a
parasitical
infection
going
round
some
of
the
pets
in
York
that
is
transmissible
to
humans.
J
It
is
zoonotic,
please
York,
City
Council
has
to
take
on
board,
but
it
did
have
responsibilities
because
we
could
have
ended
up
nevermind
a
parasitical
infection
in
certain
areas.
We
could
have
ended
up
with
far
worse
than
that
in
areas
of
York.
We
are
still
clearing
out
and
it
is
noticeable
that
it
is
it
only
once
the
media
and
the
press
have
become
involved
that
the
council
seems
to
have
upped
its
response.
The
lady
is
quite
right.
The
phone
lines
have
been
unmanned.
J
York
City
Council
has
had
a
list
of
council
staff
willing
to
work
overtime,
they
have
been
told
they
are
not
required,
they
are
only
being
paid
a
time
and
a
quarter
and
many
of
them
have
been
out
volunteering
in
their
own
time.
They
want
to
help
more.
The
officers
on
the
ground
feel
very
unsupported,
extremely
low
morale.
Somebody
further
up.
The
council
must
start
to
get
a
grip
on
this
situation.
It
has
been
a
disgrace.
G
G
K
Help
you,
if
you
won't,
let
me
finish
the
sentence.
I
was
well.
An
answer
involves
me
speaking.
A
sentence.
I
was
respond,
trying
to
respond
to
the
lead
in
relation
to
skips.
We
don't
have
to
provide
skips.
We've
provided
about
65
or
67
skips
at
our
own
cost.
I,
don't
think
we'll
get
that
money
back
from
the
government
and
what
yeah
yes,
yeah
yeah
in
relation
to
the
emergency
fall
in
line
I'm
going
to
ask
one
of
my
colleagues
were
sitting
at
the
front
to
answer
that
question.
K
We
did
provide
a
24-7
overnight
foreign
service
from
boxing
day
onwards,
and
that
was
staffed
by
people.
They
were
I
visited
a
number
of
I
visited
it
a
number
of
times
they
weren't
overwhelmed.
There
was
enough
people
there
to
do
the
job,
so
there
are
a
number
of
specific
issues
which
we
work
them
got
time
to
go
into
in
detail
tonight,
but
what
we
want
yeah
well
and
that
there.
G
K
A
G
G
O
If
I
can
answer
a
few
headline,
details
about
sandbags,
I
can't
answer
the
specific
that
the
gentleman's
talking
about
will
have
to
put
that
up
as
a
separate
issue.
But
I
can't
say
that
there's
been
a
few
comments
since
I've
been
here
about
what
we
did
in
sound
by
getting
our
response
during
boxing
during
the
next
couple
of
days.
O
Our
can
I,
please
finish
bad
our
sand
bag
policies
that
we
deploy
sandbags
to
all
the
strategic
sites
and
York's
of
the
flood
defence
locations
on
clement,
Thorpe
and
tower
street
in
all
these
places.
After
that,
we
make
sandbags
available
where
possible,
to
try
to
prevent
further
flooding,
two
people
property
and
we
have
a
strategic
supply
of
two
thousand
sandbags
filled
at
any
time
and
many
many
times
more
than
that
in
empty
sandbags
over
the
over
the
course.
Over
the
course
of
our
response,
we
deployed
13,000
sandbags
across
the
city.
O
On
the
first
day,
boxing
day
we
had
33
members
of
our
frontline
service
available,
that's
from
our
waste
highways
and
public
realm,
and
they
sent
some
bags
288
different
locations.
Now,
that's
not
just
88
request
for
sandbags
within
those.
Eighty.
Eight
locations
there
were
multiple
requests
for
sandbags.
O
On
the
second
day
we
had
nearly
forty
frontline
staff
available
and
they
deployed
some
bug
store
for
240,
separate
locations
again,
multiple
requests,
multiple
amounts
of
sandbags
and
deployment
of
sandbags
and
then
that
continuing
it
to
the
third
day,
I
haven't
got
the
answers
to
that
specific
question,
sir,
but
all
but
all
I'm
trying
to
say
is
whether
or
not
the
whether
or
not
the
yard
was
perceived
as
close
by
by
residents.
Oui
oui.
O
A
N
Going
to
do
it,
cuz
I've
handed
back
twice
already
won
one
quick
question
for
the
chief
executive
police
was
there
like
for
the
news
there's
a
city
of
York
Council
flood
plan
where
they
go
and
decide
whether
it's
already
on
its
all
written
down
pumps
where
two
pumps
and
bags
and
so
on?
Is
there
one
for
the
foss?
N
Secondly,
for
the
gentleman
from
the
British
Telecom,
in
my
opinion,
the
British
Telecom
failed
was
nearly
as
bad
as
the
force
I'd
like
to
understand
exactly
what
happened
on
Boxing
Day
with
the
British
Telecom
station,
who
was
on
duty
why
the
power
was
lost,
what
sandbag
provision
was
made,
what
emergency
situations
were
catered
for
because
it
seems
like
it
was
dead
as
a
dodo
and
nobody
was
around.
Thank
you.
K
Plan
I
think
all
of
the
plans
were
based
on
the
assumption
that
the
berry
would
work
yeah.
So
that's
some,
that's
something
and
all
of
sorry
in
other
peoples,
its
own
sorry,
I'm,
not
and
all
of
people's
expect
in
all
of
people's
expectations
were
based
on
on
the
berry
working,
including
everybody
in
the
city,
and
that
is
something
that
will
have
to
be
reviewed
going
forward.
K
A
P
A
Q
Ok,
thanks
and
ok
air
exchange
flooded
on
the
twenty-seventh.
There
was
the
first
time
the
exchanges
I
were
flooded,
yeah,
sure,
Kim,
Yuna
and
I'll.
Try
my
extend
as
well.
I
do
love
in
your
luvin
air
wouldn't
burn,
I've
got
a
Scottish
accent,
and
but
at
war
it
was
the
first
time
it
ever
flooded
and
it
wasn't
seen
as
been
on
a
floodplain.
You
know,
and
obviously
we
will
learn
from
that
going
forward.
What
happen
was
the
power
was
cut.
Q
We
dead
of
backup
power
because
we
do
of
a
you
know,
continuously
power
and
but
the
generally
Ostrow
know,
because
you
know
the
backup
in
batteries.
Obviously,
because
the
poles
gone
and
they
ran
out
and
the
area
was
so
fathered.
It
was
very,
very
difficult
to
get
and
we
dead
of
staff
on.
We
have
emergency
procedures,
you
know
not
just
for
flood,
but
for
these
situations
and
then
we
have
a
prioritization
which
is
all
about.
You
know
life
in
London
services
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
will
impact
them.
Q
I
mean
we
pumped
a
1.8
million
litres,
a
flood
water
at
the
same
time
helped
by
some
of
the
other
agencies.
We
sandbagged
to
stop
what
coming
back,
because
the
surrounding
area
was
still
flooded
a
recovery
and
was
a
bit
thoughtless,
XO,
those
most
of
the
services
come
back.
We
still
have
and
have
had
some
issues
or
well
and
other
areas
of
the
tone
you
know.
Q
You
know
we
used
do
something
to
stop
it
flooding,
but
where,
and
they
haven't
floated
before
we
have
those
issues
and
we
have
emergency
response,
you
know
and
procedures
that
can
we
get
a
staffer
looking
four
hundred,
not
people
loving
your
a
laudanum
seen
what
was
happening
and
and
get
involved
and
early.
You
know
they
were
contacting
us.
Q
So
a
lot
of
our
engineers
were
already
here
that
wrote
in
tadcaster
because
with
some
challenges
down
there
you
know
and
we
try
to
recover
as
quickly
as
we
could
and
the
prioritization
I
think
is
the
author
for
us
and
as
I
said
it
doesn't
my
hardened
experienced
it
before,
but
we'll
certainly,
you
know,
look
at
look
at
their
cut
manner
and
you
mentioned
sandbagging,
etc.
You
know
we
will
look
at
it
as.
R
My
partner,
but
both
been
growing
up,
watch
your
knees.
Please
videos
send
to
knock
out
your
possessions
when
you
go
away
me
and
my
partner
went
aware
this
Christmas,
believing
that
our
stuff
would
be
okay
in
a
covered
storage,
cupboard
downstairs
who
live
in
the
first
of
all
flat.
We
got
home
on.
We
got
told
on
at
nine
o'clock
on
Boxing
Day
that
there
was
a
flood
in
our
area.
We
was
helpless.
We
were
stuck
away
and
there's
nothing.
We
could
do.
R
We
come
back
the
day
after
having
to
pay
65
found
out
to
get
back
to
York
to
retool.
We
couldn't
return
to
our
home
because
it'd
been
flooded
once
we
did
finally
get
home,
I
worked,
storage
cupboard
had
been
totally
devastated
by
water
all
of
our
stuff,
including
quite
a
lot
of
summer.
Clothes
had
been
lost,
yet
the
Council
of
refusing
to
give
us
any
help
at
all.
R
R
R
K
A
M
Been
reported
in
the
media
that
the
environmental
agency
raised
the
risk
of
the
failure
of
the
foss
barrier
many
years
ago
over
ten
years
ago
and
that's
been
brought
to
the
City
of
York
Council,
and
so
is
this
true
and
if
it,
if
it
is
too,
why
haven't
residents
being
made
aware?
Why
hasn't
the
council
got
a
plan
if
it
has
been
highlighted
as
a
major
risk
and
secondly,
as
a
resident
who
has
lost
her
home?
Hopefully
the
insurance
company
is
saying
maybe
sep
tember
you'll
be
home.
M
A
S
I'm
gonna
run
through
it.
I
work
for
the
council
in
two
thousand
and
I
was
actually
sent
down
to
silver
command
to
help
coordinate
or
your
equivalent
people
at
least
twice.
If
not
three
times
that
night,
your
equivalents
disappeared,
upstairs
and
talked
about
evacuating
the
whole
of
the
city
center
because
they
feared
that
the
fuss
barrier
could
fail
and
all
this
area
could
flood
that
was
16
years
ago.
Why
hasn't
that
been
included
in
the
plan
in
the
council?
When
you
knew
16
years
ago?
There
was
a
possibility.
It
could
fail.
A
J
K
I
can
only
give
you
a
partial
answer,
I
mean
obviously
I.
Wasn't
here
then
I
think
the
the
council
in
its
role
is
the
planning
authority
was
pointing
that
out
to
the
environment
agency.
I
think
you've
heard
already
that
there
is
no
contingency
plan
for
the
fuss
barrier
feeling
and
that's
clearly
an
issue
that
that
will
have
to
be
gone
into,
but
I
think
I
think
I'm
writing
seeing
and
there
are
12
people
in
the
room.
K
H
O
State,
just
if
I
make
Steve
Steve
son,
sir,
there
was
a
really
answering
that
that
first
question,
which
was
about
knowing
for
ten
years
and
the
agency
and
the
council,
knowing
that
potential
failure
stupid
correcting
what
he's
saying
in
that
it
that
was
off
the
back
of
the
strategic
food
risk
assessment,
which
is
a
planning
document
that
all
local
authorities
have
to
have
to
ensure
that
planning
decisions
are
made
with
food
risk
in
mind,
and
it
wasn't
a
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
a
warning
that
the
barrier
will
fail.
O
It
was
saying
a
worst-case
scenario
for
planning
purposes
that
were
it
to
fail.
This
is
how
it
should
be
incorporated
into
planning
decisions,
so
that
was
the
first
question:
that's
what's
being
coded
in
the
media.
As
for
the
questions
about
what
happened
in
silver
command
back
in
two
thousand,
I
personally
can't
give
you
the
answer
that
would
need
to
look
towards
the
yay
for
anything.
H
A
U
You
just
an
a
quick
question
for
for
the
environment
agency.
Is
there
a
distinction
here
between
the
Foss
barrier
failing
and
the
Foss
barrier
not
being
fit
for
purpose
for
the
amounts
of
rain
that
fell
and
understandably,
rain
is
falling
more
we
talked
about.
The
amount
of
rain
has
fallen
versus
historical
records.
That's
fine!
How
much
money
would
it
cost
to
increase
the
capacity
of
the
barrier
by
twenty
thirty
forty,
fifty
percent,
and
will
those
funds
be
made
available?
U
C
C
They
are
now
work
again.
They
have
been
adequate
for
the
last
more
than
adequate
for
the
last
30
years,
but
but
our
come
on,
I
will
move
this
forward.
I
promise
you
what
we
have
at
this
moment
in
time
then
is
the
pumping
station
and
the
Foss
barrier
will
continue
to
work
as
it
has
always
worked
previously
and,
as
I
have
tried
to
indicate,
it
is
served
as
well
up
until
this
point.
This
was
an
exceptional
at
really
exceptional
circumstance.
Are
we
going
to
do
anything
about
that?
The
answer
is
absolutely
yes.
We
are.
C
We
were
already
in
the
process
of
spending,
something
like
3
million
pounds
to
upgrade
some
of
the
aspects
of
the
barrier,
because
it
is
30
years
old
and
it
was
part
of
our
planned
if
you
like
improvement,
but
the
government
in
recognition
of
this
event.
I'm
really
pleased
and
relieved
to
say
have
given
us
a
further
10
million
pounds
to
upgrade
the
foss
barrier,
and
that
is
what
we
intend
to
do.
C
What
I
would
say
to
you
again
is
that
30
years,
if
we
look
back
30
years
and
we
consider
now
what
technology
is
capable
of
doing,
I
am
hopeful
that
we
will
be
able
to
increase
the
capacity
of
the
Foss
barrier,
we're
hopeful
that
that's
what
we'll
be
able
to
do
and
to
make
it
more
resilient
in
terms
of
these
issues
that
we've
had
with
water
ingress.
Now,
of
course,
I
do
go
back
to
my
earlier
comment
and
say
we
still
need
to
nail
what
the
actual
cause
of
that
quick
ingress
was.
C
I,
think
that
we
also
need
to
start
thinking
a
bit
more
holistically.
Yes,
the
barrier
at
this
moment
in
time
represents
in
terms
of
York's
overall
defenses,
the
only
bit
of
those
defenses.
If
you
like
that
requires
power,
everything
else
is
passive.
The
walls
are
there,
the
gates
Commission
can
be
shot,
but
the
the
strategic
flood
risk
assessment
that
was
made
is
absolutely
right.
C
If
the
barrier
fails,
then
the
area
behind
it
would
flood
so
we're
going
to
increase
the
capacity
of
that
and
we'll
do
it
as
quickly
as
we
can,
but
weather
would
also
say,
is
I
think
there
is
genuinely-
and
this
may
not
help
for
now,
but
there
is
genuinely
a
need
for
us
to
think
about
this
in
a
much
wider
context.
So,
for
example,
what
happens
but
stream
of
the
Foss?
C
C
Sure,
okay
timeline
for
this
is
a
fast
as
possible.
We
have
got
people
working
on
this
now.
I
I
could
sit
here
now
and
I'm
put
a
finger
in
the
air
and
make
some
sort
of
guesses
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
I
give
you
a
personal
undertaken
from
both
myself
and
the
environment
agency
team
and
from
the
city
of
York
working
with
us
on
this
that
we
will
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
we
can.
You
have
my
word
as
the
area
manager
of
Yorkshire
on
that.
A
C
A
D
D
May
I
suggest
year,
I'm,
Jim,
tira
I'm
a
consulting
engineer
that
questions
need
to
be
asked
and
allocate,
but
there
are
allegations
and
counter
allegations
going
around
and
promises
and
half
promises
be
made,
but
really
we
need
to
have
the
independent
investigation.
First
of
all,
we
really
need
to
have
a
technical
audit
and
all
the
agency
work
coordinated
through
that
process.
D
It's
only
then
that
we
will
be
able
to
answer
the
panel
and
their
advisers
will
be
able
to
answer
any
of
the
questions
with
any
confidence,
because
that
will
be
facts
based
and
you
can
only
work
on
facts
based
in
a
situation
like
this
and
lessons
learned.
All
operations
in
life
and
work
in
business
must
be
assist.
Control
and
mitigation
measures
must
be
in
place
and
there
are
big
questions.
D
We
have
known
that
28
years
ago
the
Barry
was
going
to
give
us
some
confidence
on
the
fast.
We
all
had
an
early
warning
effectively
in
practice
on
the
force
of
the
vember
2000.
When
we
had
unprecedented
circumstances,
then
we
all
know
also
that
conditions
are
getting
worse
with
all
the
climate
change
implications
and
we're
in
for
worse
conditions
in
the
future.
We
must
move
fast
and
define
what
the
problems
are
in
all
detail,
so
that
we
could
have
answers
for
the
future.
Thank
you.
Okay.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
I
mean
I.
Think
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
this
is
obviously
a
preliminary
meeting.
The
public
inquiry
will
begin
in
the
near
future,
I
think
and
after
that
reports,
then
of
course
I
suspect
them
I'm
sure
there
will
be
subsequent
meetings
of
this
sort.
Where
people
can
question
that
report
and
there's
a
lady
over
here,
who's
being
anxious
to
contribute.
V
Thank
you
all
to
ask
about
the
ooze,
no
disrespect
people
on
the
fast
but
the
wheels.
We
don't
have
the
benefit
in
my
village
in
urban
of
the
Foss
barrier
and
we
flood
and
regularly
I
want
to
know
the
impact
of
the
Foss
Barry
and
the
situation
does
that
increase
the
flooding
on
the
use
when
that
is
working
and
fully
enforce?
And
if
you
increase
the
defense
there,
what
impact
is
it
towards
regularly
flooding
in
villages?
On
the
thank.
C
Yeah
I
I
would
hopefully
give
you
the
reassurance
that,
even
when
the
Foss
barrier
is
working
at
full
capacity,
its
impact
on
the
mighty
ooze
is
very,
very
limited,
in
fact,
to
the
point
of
being
negligible.
If
I
could
just
give
you
some
kind
of
feel
for
that
when
the
ooze
is
in
full
or
so
to
speak,
we
are
looking
at
something
like
600
cubic
meters,
a
second
going
down
that
River.
It
is
absolutely
huge.
C
V
Regularly
and
so
I
think
the
pill
people
on
the
force
would
feel
uncomfortable.
If,
like
in
my
village,
we
were
wondering
2012
hundred
2015,
it
has
been
three
times
we
have
no,
some
bugs
delivered
to
were
already
thrown
for
14,
water
and
ones
that
did
Kim
actually
was
so
poor
quality
they
disintegrated
and
would
you'd
feel
out
on
a
limb
out
in
the
village.
Thank.
P
P
Neben
is
the
only
place
currently
which
is
as
pre
cited
stocks
of
sandbags
at
the
request
of
the
Parish
Council,
and
we
cited
two
thousand
sandbags
there
some
time
ago
and
told
and
told
the
Parish
Council
that
it
was
for
them
to
manage
them.
They
also
got
to
lorry
loads
of
sandbags
subsequent
to
the
use
of
those.
V
P
V
P
V
W
W
Obviously,
people
are
saying
there
was
no
warnings
given
and
I
was
just
asking
his
mrs.
Stewart,
because
we
live
next
door
to
the
peas
on
center.
I
was
wondering
if
they
got
anyone
in
pre
warning
of
this,
and
if
they
did
a
couple
of
days
after
the
the
water
receded
a
saint
to
that
to
me
that
the
peas
on
center
was
up
and
running
again
without
any.
At
all.
A
T
W
A
W
It
describes
here
is
to
me
to
be
quite
honest.
We
are
well
covered
for
the
cover
that
we
pay
for
now,
if
they
refuse,
because
they
say
in
it
was
a
deliberate
act
on
the
part
of
the
Environment
Agency
I
will
not
be
able
to
claim
a
manger
ins
and
what
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
is
in
the
same
position.
The
pub
is
just
about
the
same
state.
It
was
three
weeks
ago.
W
T
T
H
A
A
X
Baby
yeah,
so
he
could
have
just
comment
on
the
insurance
issue
in
terms
of
the
Masons
Arms
or
any
other
insurance
issues
in
terms
of
the
funding
that's
available,
and
we
have
tried
to
communicate
this
and
I'm
suppose.
Well,
as
you
are
now
where
businesses
are
entitled
initially
to
the
2005,
2005
and
clean
up
gram,
and
we
are
trying
to
pay
those
two
businesses
as
quickly
as
possible
and
that's
being
done
to
make
it
York.
X
What
I
would
say
is
that,
outside
of
that,
if
people
are
having
their
insurance
turned
down
or
large
excesses
enough
issues
around
further
additional
funding,
that's
required.
You
can
still
look
at
making
a
claim.
The
disaster
fund
that's
been
settled,
although
primarily
it's
been
looking
at
residential
issues
will
also
go
business
issues.
So
I
think
you
need
to
resolve
the
issue
clearly
with
you
insurer,
but
if
you
don't
have
insurance
cover
or
they
are
refusing
it,
then
you
should
come
back
to
the
council
to
disaster
fund
and
we
will
look
at
it.
X
Okay
and
clearly,
there's
been
a
few
issues.
A
few
people
have
seen
a
few
people
outside
about
funding
issues.
If
people
have
been
turned
down
for
some
reason,
how
can
we
see
their
500-pound
I'm
quite
happy
to
speak
to
know
after
this
meeting
some
want
to
come
and
see
me
will
try
and
get
it
sorted
helpful.
Yet,
okay,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Now
the
more
hands
going
up
I'm
going
to
have
to
stop
in
a
minute
the
chap
there,
with
the
who's,
been
trying
for
some
time
if
you'd
like
to
seduce
me,
which,
in
a
minute
just
a
second
granted
to
just
give
us
a
chance,
other
people
being
trying
to
speak
for
a
long
time,
a
light.
Y
Y
End
of
the
foss
is
six
and
a
half
meters
full
of
silt
I
checked
that
today
the
water
level
is
sitting
at
seven
and
a
half
meters,
so
you've
got
one
and
a
half
saree
1
meter
of
water
and
six
and
a
half
meters
of
silk
for
the
Ducks
to
sit
on,
and
that
was
at
layer
for
bridge
I
walked
all
the
way
down
towards
the
red
castles
exactly
the
same
down
there
sob
the
newts
dread.
Two
rivers,
please
really
it's
it's
time.
Y
If
you
consider
the
additional
volume
that
the
foss
could
take-
and
this
is
without
getting
onto
the
use,
the
foss
would
take
a
monstrous
volume
of
water
which
would
reduce
the
flooding
that
we've
experienced.
It
wouldn't
get
rid
of
it,
but
it
would
reduce
it
if
you
look
at
the
use.
The
use
is
none
of
this
one
of
the
chap,
a
friend
of
mine,
who's,
a
scuba,
diver
and
they've,
been
in
it,
not
Linda
bridge
the
one
sows
bridge
outside
the
King's
Arms,
the
channel
in
the
center
is
about
three
metres
deep.
Y
It
used
to
be
about
eight
when
I
put
this
to
an
environment
agency
chapel
that
came
out
to
my
shop
a
couple
of
days
ago.
He
said
we
can't
dredge
it
because
wood
woof
in
fear
of
what
would
happen
to
the
buildings
that
surround
the
bit
the
ooze
they
may
fall
in
the
ones
that
been
there
for
five
six
seven
hundred
years.
That's
a
bit
of
a
rubbish
response,
and
personally
I'd
like
to
see
the
the
foss
undies
dredged
I'd
like
to
see
a
dredge
boat
back
on
there
in
permanent
use
the
council.
P
C
Dredging
does
remain
part
of
our
armory
in
terms
of
flood
risk
management,
but
in
most
circumstances
we
do
not
believe
that
it
is
cost
effective.
We
don't
believe
it
to
be
cost
effective
in
most
circumstances
where
we
think
that
it
will
reduce
flood
risk.
We
will
still
do
this,
but
I
think
my
advice
is
likely
to
be
coming
back
around
both
the
foss
and
the
you
certainly
that
unless
we
did
some
selective
dredging
in
various
areas
to
reduce
fiscally,
it's
highly
unlikely
that
I
will
be
able
to
accede
to
your
wishes.
I
think.
Y
A
Y
Can
I
just
draw
1-1
little
finishing
point
to
what
mr.
Scott
said
and
he
inferred
that
holistic
approaches
to
dealing
with
flooding?
If
you
look
at
what
happened,
sorry
can
hear
me
if
you,
if
you
look
at
what
happened
to
Pickering
and
Pickering,
were
quite
picked
up
on
by
the
news
for
saying
that
their
methods
of
stopping
the
water
and
Dolby
forest
and
to
the
north
worked
brilliant.
Let's
do
it
do
it
now.
It's
cheap
I
mean
they
stopped
it
for
2
million.
Y
I
believe
they
stop
their
entire
town,
flooding
for
two
million
quid
all
by
installing
I,
think
180
mini
dams
and
holding
the
water
at
source.
That's
a
great
idea.
It
doesn't
mean
put
in
great
big
blocks
of
concrete
everywhere,
but
you've
got
a
massive
resource
there.
The
first
place
in
the
use-
and
that
can
take
a
lot
more
liquid
and
all
you're
doing
is
oh
well.
We
don't
think
it's
possible.
I
do
not
agree,
gosh
sure.
Z
Y
Y
Z
Can
I
just
come
in
on
that,
because
I've
just
got
very
quit
when
I
do
need
to
go
yeah
yeah
a
lot
of
people
here
who
who
aren't
insured
and
it
must
be
dreadful
them?
You
know
my
heart
really
goes
out
to
you.
I
am
insured
I've,
never
claimed
on
insurance
ever
and
I'm,
probably
going
to
be
looking
at
increased
premiums.
For
god
knows
how
long
you
know
what
what
am
I
supposed
to
do.
My
car
I
could
have
moved
it.
If
you'd
give
me
more
warning,
sent
those
two.
Z
Apparently,
the
father
gate
had
two
votes
that
weren't
used
I
read
in
The
Guardian
that
that
may
not
be
true.
You
know.
If
you
give
me
one
I
could
have
moved
that
my
insurance
company
as
far
as
they're
concerned,
it's
my
fault
and
I'll-
be
paying
for
that
forever.
I,
don't
need
your
500
quid
the
council.
Tax
rebates
is
very
nice,
but
actually
we're
talking
about
quite
a
big
cost
to
hard-working
people
in
York.
What's
gotta
be
done
about
that.
K
Well,
the
problem
is
satisfying.
As
you've
said,
everybody
has
got
the
500
pounds
and
the
council
tax
from
the
business
really
bit
and
that's
you
know
that
system
will
continue
for
as
long
as
people
are
out
there,
properties
I
think
the
you
know
issue
that
your
braised
is
technically.
You
know
we'd
like
tout
if
we
can,
but
we
need,
we
need
to
prioritize
the
money
and
if
you
are
insured
most
of
the
government
advices
is
try
and
deal
with
it
through
your
insurance
imprint.
Z
The
premiums
will
go
up
quite
significantly.
I
bought
my
house
in
August
did
all
my
searches.
That's
that's
my
livelihood
in
that
house
that
you
know,
let's
be
honest.
Pensions
on
exactly
gonna,
be
great
when
I
retire,
yeah
yeah,
how
am
I
gonna
sell
light,
let's
say
I'll
get
a
promotion.
How
am
I
going
to
sell
that
house
and
moved
to
sheffield
leads?
If
I
get
promoted
yeah,
it's
not
going
to
happen.
Z
Is
it
my
premiums
are
gonna,
go
up
and
I've
had
the
house
since
august
yeah
and
I
was
told
the
barrier
will
protect
that
house,
like
a
lot
of
people
on
my
road
is
well
within
their
years
on
social
cetera
crackers.
So,
what's
going
to
happen
it
the
insurance
companies
will
have
a
field
day
with
the
premiums,
and
I
will
have
to
pay
that.
K
AA
Understand
decisions
had
to
be
made,
it
was
the
the
worry
that
the
pumps
were
going
to
file
and
the
barrier
had
to
be
lifted.
But
what
can
you
do
to
persuade
me
that
the
right
decision
was
made
given
the
size
of
the
use
and
the
size
of
the
force
when
the
Foss
barrier
was
lifted?
What
direction
was
a
water
going
in.
AA
AA
C
Okay,
when
the
barrier
was
lifted
for
a
very
a
very,
very
short
period
of
time,
just
before
the
barriers
lifted
there
was,
there
was
an
increase
in
the
level
in
the
force,
but
pretty
much
by
the
time
the
barrier
was
fully
lifted.
Both
the
Foss
and
the
ooze
were
basically
reconnected.
So
now,
what's
going
to
happen
in
those
circumstances,
is
that
the
force
is
now
going
to
track
the
curve
of
the
is
so
it
is
highly
likely.
Well,
it's
not
highly
likely.
C
A
Well
now,
we've
got
we've
got
to
finish
now,
I'm
afraid,
but
although
some
of
the
people
here
might
want
to
continue
discussion
outside
we've
got
our
two
MPs
here
and
I
wonder
if
they
would
like
to
say
a
couple
of
words
towards
the
end
of
this
meeting.
Please
Rachel,
would
you
like
to
say
something?
Ladies.
AB
And
gentlemen,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say.
Obviously,
if
you
have
been
flooded
in
any
means
whatsoever,
as
your
mp4
York,
Central
I
know,
the
same
will
be
for
Julian
in
your
counter,
we're
here
to
help
and
support
you
and
very
much
been
trying
to
do
that
over
the
last
few
days.
Obviously,
I
can't
reverse
what
happened,
but
I
am
asking
questions
and,
as
a
result
of
that,
I've
held
a
number
of
community
meetings.
AB
So
far,
I've
got
another
one
in
Clarence
for
the
climate
thorpe
area
tomorrow
morning,
at
half
nine
at
Sun,
Southlands
church,
two
in
the
city
centre
next
weekend,
west
offices
on
the
Friday
at
half
six
and
the
early
music
center
on
saturday,
the
23rd
of
january
at
10am,
and
also
one
in
clifton
at
six-thirty,
on
the
twenty-ninth
at
the
methodist
church
and
then
for
the
Lehman
Road
area
at
st.
Barnabas
church
at
five
o'clock
on
the
twenty-ninth
and
if
you're
from
anywhere
in
the
city.
AB
Please
come
along
to
that
I'm
gathering
information
and
I'm
getting
answers
out
of
agencies.
Today,
I
held
a
meeting
for
businesses
across
the
city
and
we
had
the
association
of
british
insurers
up
for
that,
as
well
as
organizations
business
organizations
from
across
York,
and
there
was
a
stream
of
work
I'm
doing
around
businesses.
AB
Some
people
have
lost
everything
by
the
clothes
they
stand
up
in
and
I
want
to.
At
this
point,
thank
the
city
for
the
tremendous
support
that
it's
given
through
the
volunteers
and
people
just
giving
donations.
It
has
been
absolutely
tremendous,
but
the
reality
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
put
lies
back
together
again
and
therefore
it's
really
vital
that
we
pull
together
to
do
that
so
I'm
here
to
help
and
really
that's
my
message
and
that's
what
I've
been
doing,
trying
to
get
answers.
AB
AC
AC
A
AC
Julian's
to
the
mp4
York
out
so
can
I
just
echo
what
rachel
has
said:
I
mean
it's
horrific.
What
has
happened
to
the
city
and
people
who
have
been
flooded
but
as
local
MPs?
We
are
here
to
help
if
you
are
a
constituent
of
mine,
if
you're
having
problems
with
the
insurance
company,
if
you're
having
problems
with
a
clean
up,
please
contact
me.
Please
come
and
see
me
after
this
meeting
I'll
be
here
for
time
after
the
meeting
to
answer
questions
and
try
and
help
because
you
know
we
are
there
to
help
you
you
do.
AC
We
really
do
need
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
the
answer.
The
questions
a
few
points
I
would
just
like
to
make
was
I.
Think
the
gentleman
who
spoke
over
at
the
corner
there
when
he
said
we
need
to
have
the
technical
audit
and
inquiry
and
then
have
a
meeting
like
this
to
really
come
back
and
answer.
The
questions
I
think,
is
so
important.
There's
a
lot
of
questions
that
have
been
asked
tonight,
a
lot
of
really
important
questions
that
haven't
been
answered
and
now
there's
a
number
of
reasons
why
they
can't
be
answered.
AC
AC
I
really
like
to
see
from
bt
a
plan
coming
forward
about
what
you're
going
to
do
to
make
your
area
more
resilient
to
future
events
like
this,
because,
obviously
that
was
a
huge
impact
wide
across
the
city
and
the
loss
of
the
communications
had
a
huge
impact
on
how
the
emergency
services
were
able
to
respond
as
well,
so
I
think
that's
really
important.
We
get
those
answers
to
those
questions,
but
please,
whether
here
to
help
both
as
MPs
and
the
council
and
your
local
councillors
as
many
local
councils
in
the
room
tonight.
AC
Please
contact
us
if
you
are
having
issues
with
insurance
companies
wanting
not
wanting
to
pay
up.
If
you're
having
problems
with
the
cleanup,
please
contact
us,
we
will
react
and
we
will
help
with
that
information.
Many
questions
I
know
you'll
have
and
we've
got
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
it.
It
is
going
to
take
time,
but
I
think
you
know
there
is
the
will
there
to
really
make
to
answer
those
questions
and
make
sure
we
don't
have
an
event
like
this
happening
again.
Thank.
A
L
Yeah
thanks
very
much
and
thanks
everyone
that
the
game
has
come
along
tonight
and
everyone
everything
that
people
have
done
for
the
city
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
and
just
you
know,
first
of
all,
stress
it's
really
important.
The
people
do
get
all
the
help.
Their
do
and
obviously
been
trying
to
put
out
the
various
messages
about
things
like
the
financial
assistance,
the
help
we're
getting
advice
on
insurance
and
obviously,
you've
heard
the
mps
that
they
can
help.
But
I
wanna
make
two
points
about
moving
forward.
Okay,
the
first
one
is.
L
We
know
for
a
fact
that
there's
still
do
me,
people
six
months
plus
who
won't
be
in
their
home,
for
you
know,
and
that's
absolutely
awful.
It's
a
nightmare
for
them,
so
we're
doing
stuff
practically
on
the
the
council,
tax
relief
and
all
those
sort
of
thing.
But
it's
still
going
to
be
absolutely
hellish
for
those
people.
L
So
one
of
the
people
here
tonight
is
Steve
Brown
who's
from
make
it
York
and
he's
always
see
one
of
the
leads
on
us
working
together
for
businesses,
because
the
absolute
nightmare
would
be
somebody
loses
their
home
due
to
the
flooding
and
then
they
lose
their
job.
Now,
that's
not
something
we
can
in
flow
massively
from
this
room
today.
It's
something
that
we
as
politicians
have
got
to
get.
The
message
out
with
the
media
you
know
about
York
is
absolutely
open
every
we
should
come
to
York.
L
It's
not
saying
people
haven't
been
affected,
they
have
been
and
they
will
be,
but
we've
got
to
get
people
back
into
York,
and
the
second
point
is
about
the
inquiry
and
I
do
think.
It's
been
a
positive
thing
to
have
this
meeting
here
tonight,
because
people
obviously
are
frustrated.
You've
heard
some
questions
answered
and,
as
Julian
said,
some
questions
that
can't
be
answered
tonight.
L
I'll
remain
here
tonight
for
as
long
as
it
takes
and
equally
you
know,
people
can
feed
in
their
questions
to
us
by
email,
phone
or
happy
to
meet
up,
and
then
we
want
to
have
a
full
inquiry
into
this
now
in
terms
of
time
scale.
I
would
say
that
months
is
the
time
scale.
It's
not
going
to
be
days
and
weeks.
It's
not
going
to
be
instant,
it's
going
to
be
over
months,
but
that's
going
to
be
as
independent
as
it
possibly
can
be.
L
So
we've
had
the
council's
legal
officer
working
on
terms
of
reference
for
that
inquiry.
All
the
comments
tonight
are
noted,
though
we've
fed
in
as
many
suggestions
ought
to
be
made
that
are
sensible,
but
in
terms
of
queer
going
to
point
it
a
chair
to
that
inquiry,
it
will
be
independent
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
panel,
and
this
is
a
process
that
will
be
approved
by
all
the
leaders
of
all
the
political
groups
in
York
and
we're
already
in
discussions
and
the
next
discussions
about.
L
It
will
be
wednesday,
and
that
will
be
something
that
you
know.
People
can
feed
in
wherever
they
are.
So
we
really
can
learn
the
lessons
and
obviously
I'm
not
going
to
say
so.
This
never
happens
again
because,
unfortunately
where's
the
city
are
used
to
flooding
and
it's
a
great
shame
that
we
are,
but
so
that
we
can
be
as
well
prepared
as
we
possibly
can
be.
So
we
can
take
on
board
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and
ideas
going
forward.
Thank.
A
AD
AD
The
mp's
surgery
meetings
and
coming
up
but
City
of
York
Council
are
also
going
to
be
doing
some
extra
ward
meetings.
These
ward
meetings
will
be
in
the
communities
that
were
most
affected,
so
they'll
be
advertised
through
your
local
councillors
and
also
on
the
city
of
york
council
website.
So
specific
questions,
in
particular
neighborhoods
with
City
of
York
Council
and
the
environment
agency,
will
give
another
opportunity
to
ask
those
questions
and
and
again,
like
the
others,
I'll
be
around
at
the
end.
If
anybody
has
any
others
for
me,
thank
you,
but.
A
AD
Absolutely
one
of
the
problems
obviously
is
too
too
much:
reliance
on
social
media
and
just
websites
and
see
people
that
don't
have
access
to
that.
I
hope
that
local
councillors
parish
councils,
where
you've
got
them,
will
be
able
to
advertise
them
in
newsletters,
but
also
people
like
minster
radio
York,
just
to
get
the
message
out
there
for
the
dates
and
when
people
can
go
to
them
is
important
as
well.
Okay,.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
indeed.
It
just
reminds
me
to
say
tues
thank
you
to
the
council
for
arranging
this
meeting
to
the
panel
and
everybody
else.
Who's
contributed
to
everybody
for
coming
and
to
apologize
for
your
chairman,
so
I
hope
you've
got
something
out
of
it,
and
this
is
only
the
first
step
to
what
has
to
be
done
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
this
catastrophe
doesn't
happen
again.
Thank
you
very
much.