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From YouTube: July 2015 Board Workshop
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See the agenda here: http://agenda.oneclay.net/publishing/ap-agendas.html
B
Okay,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
our
workshop
meeting
today,
July
21st
2015
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
folks
in
the
audience.
Thank
you
for
taking
your
time
out
of
your
schedule
today
to
attend
this
workshop.
This
workshop
is
going
to
be
our
opportunity,
as
your
elected
representatives,
to
collaborate
openly
and
to
make
decisions
that
will
decide
the
future
direction
of
our
public
schools
and
the
education
of
our
children
here
in
Clay
County.
B
In
this
workshop,
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
audience
to
ask
questions
after
we
get
done
with
presentation,
and
so
when
that
time
comes,
I
will
I'll
ask
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
and
certainly
your
participation
is
welcomed
and
appreciated,
and
so
with
that.
Our
first
workshop
item
is
presentation
of
survey
data
from
the
Florida
Association
of
district
school
superintendents.
Mr.
Bronski,
before.
E
We
begin
point
of
order.
Madam
chair
I
would
just
like
to
say,
for
the
record.
I
had
requested
public
records
request
five
months
ago,
billing
information
and
I've
yet
to
receive
the
detailed
billing
that
I
would
like
to
have
had
I
feel
that
I
am
not
informed
fully.
Neither
of
the
rest
of
the
board
and
I
don't
feel
that
any
of
us
are
truly
informed
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision
as
to
what
direction
we
should
go
with
our
legal
services.
E
F
So
what
I'd
like
to
today's
provide
information
relevant
to
legal
services
describe
the
current
state
of
legal
services
in
our
district,
where
we
are
now
what
services
are
being
provided
currently,
as
well
as
the
cost
of
a
full
time
board
attorney
in
relation
to
a
part-time
flat
rate
attorney
the
cost
that
we
absorbed
last
year
for
legal
fees
as
well
as
compare
other
school
districts
and
what
they
do
for
legal
services,
with
a
focus
on
medium-sized
districts,
because
I
think
what
you
got
to
see.
I'm.
B
C
F
F
Current
board
attorney
provides
legal
advice
in
all
areas,
with
the
exception
of
personal
injury,
workmen's
compensation
and
labor
issues,
which
has
always
been
the
norm.
Even
when
we
had
a
full-time
attorney.
The
current
board
attorney
meets
all
job
responsibilities
listed
on
the
job
description
for
the
full-time
attorney,
in
other
words,
he's
doing
the
work
of
a
full-time
attorney
based
on
the
job
description
previously
written
in
o5.
F
B
G
B
H
Basically,
I'm
covering
there's
a
small
claims
of
litigation,
I'm
handle
right
now,
but
for
the
most
part,
personal
injury,
I'm,
not
covering
HR
I'm,
not
covering
I'm,
not
covering
labor
law,
a
DA
that
kind
of
things
I
am
in
the
ESC
cases,
with
mrs.
Ross,
the
with
with
contracts,
I'm,
not
redrafting
the
contracts,
I'm
sitting
with
nades
Racine
and
I
go
over
the
contracts
and
I
have
we've
developed
a
form.
Now
we
have
a
checklist
that
has
streamlined
the
system.
F
So
basically
the
breakdown
there
you
can
see
is
you
know
$7,500.
You
see
that
at
the
top,
what
you're
seeing
there
is
the
actual
cost?
The
first
month
mr.
sikes
joined
us
and
then
eventually
he
lowered
his
rate
to
the
current
rate,
which
is
$7,500
a
month
at
6,000
for
him
and
$1500
for
the
assistance
making
$7,500.
B
B
I
E
For
the
full
year,
so
it's
also
a
fixed
rate,
something
else
I'd
like
to
point
out,
and
they
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
mr.
Brodsky,
but
when
mr.
bickner
first
came
on
or
prior
to
him
and
mrs.
stuttered,
mr.
Van
Zandt
probably
will
know
this
better
than
I
and
there
was
a
part-time
attorney.
We
did
not
pay
for
the
part-time
attorneys
secretary,
because
the
part-time
attorney
had
a
practice
of
his
own.
The
additional
work
that
he
had
his
secretary
did.
E
So
this
also
seems
to
me
like,
if
we're
really
looking
to
cut
costs
everywhere,
we
want
to
cut
cost.
We
should
never
have
been
paying
for
mr.
sikes
secretary
at
all,
I
think
that
should
have
just
come
under
his
as
his
office
staff.
Instead
of
you
know
an
extra
$1,500
and
what
was
it
originally
was
a
3,000
a
month,
because
that's
what
mrs.
Gaston
was
receiving,
miss
Gaston
was
receiving
that,
so
it
seemed
like
you,
the
majority.
The
board
went
along
with
that,
but
that
really
should
never
have
been.
Thank
you.
E
F
F
B
B
F
B
F
D
F
F
D
F
F
Ingersoll
and
Rooney
yeah,
and
that
was
seventeen
thousand
seven
hundred
roughly
for
that
same
time,
frame
right
now
keep
keep
in
mind
depending
on.
What's
going
on
the
year
before
we
had
a
couple
of
high-profile
discipline
cases
I
remember
as
well
as
some
arbitrations
and
some
other
stuff
that
happened
and
that
year
that
ballooned
up
to
you
know
one
one,
forty
something.
F
F
B
E
F
B
But
I
think
the
in
my
opinion,
I
think.
The
important
thing
is
that
you're
never
going
to
be
able
to
know
what's
going
to
come
at
you
year
about
year
to
year
in
terms
of
outside
legal
services
or
the
HR
stuff.
You're
never
going
to
be
able
to
know
that
I
think
I
think
something
to
budget
for
I
noticed
in
here.
They
ask
the
question:
how
much
do
you
typically
budget
for
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I
think
we
budget
for
it?
B
C
J
I
just
clarify
this
yeah
any
group
on
the
survey
yeah
through
fads,
just
like
FSB
AI,
have
a
mechanism
where
I
can
send
the
one
of
the
secretarial
staff
at
fads,
a
list
of
questions
and
ask
her
to
poll
all
67
districts,
so
I
sent
the
questions
that
you
see
along
the
top
and
forty-something
district
answered,
and
just
like
the
guy.
That
said
too
much
I
mean
the
the
clarity
and
exactness
varies
okay,
so
we
got
back
what
the
other
superintendents
either
took
time
to
fill
out
and
kind
of
how
they
said
it.
So.
B
B
B
So
I
guess
what
I'll
do
is
I'd
like
to
open
it
for
some
discussion
to
get
I
know.
You
said
you
felt
like
you
needed
some
more
information.
I
know
we
can't
do
anything
here,
but
we
can
have
some
discussion
and
we
can
talk
about
where
you
think
we
want
to
go
for
next
steps.
So
I
know:
we've
we've
had
this
discussion.
I
think
this,
the
third
time
we've
kind
of
entertained
some
discussion
around
the
subject.
B
A
Haven't
yet
heard
any
legal
services
that
are
not
being
provided
with
the
current
cost
that
we
are
paying
out
and
I
recognize
that
the
seventeen
thousand
for
the
human
resources
is
significantly
lower
than
it
was
the
year
prior,
where
there
were
issues
and
so
somewhere
in
the.
If
you
use
one
as
a
low
and
one
is
a
high
somewhere
in
the
middle,
was
probably
where
an
average
would
be,
and
so.
A
You
know
if
you
combine
that
with
the
47,000
with
John's
Eastern,
which
is
13
months,
then
we're
roughly
at
85
to
100,000
and
outside
legal
services.
It
still
looks
significantly
less
than
we
paid
in
the
past,
with
the
full-time
attorney
and
and
I
guess.
I
would
just
say
that
you
know,
as
I
said
in
our
April
special
meeting,
we
have
asked
our
senior
staff
to
be
creative
and
innovative
and
combine
things
and
try
some
new
things
and
I
think
that
we've
got
to
be
willing
to
be
innovative
as
well.
Given
our
current
budget
state,
ok.
I
E
I
guess
I'll
go
next
well,
I
think
we
we
all
know
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
full-time
attorney
I'm
going
to
use
an
expression
that
you've
used
before
miss
McKenna
and
Emmas
Studdard.
Is
that
a
need,
or
is
it
want
and
I?
Think
it's
really
important
that
it's
a
need
to
have
a
full-time
attorney
and
not
a
part-time
attorney?
E
There
are
so
many
things
that
come
up.
Having
talked
with
principals
that
you
know
a
screaming
parent
at
their
counter,
because
there's
a
custody
issue
going
on
in
their
reception
and
they
can't
get
it.
You
know
they
need
to
have
an
attorney
call
them
back
immediately
and
granted
a
full-time
attorney
sometimes
might
be
doing
depositions
or
something.
But
I
would
imagine
that
the
majority
of
the
time
he
or
she
is
available.
There's
so
many
issues
that
come
up.
E
You
know
I
have
a
list
here:
it's
Guardian
issues,
homeless,
children,
bikini
venue
issues
which
are
unaccompanied
minor
children,
custody
issues,
surrogate
parents,
court
order
interpretations.
You
know
record
subpoenas
appearance
for
subpoenas
for
so
many
things:
public
records
requests,
gay
rights,
issues,
student
safety,
there's
so
many
504
and
student
disabilities.
E
You
know
we
talked
about
wanting
to
cut
cost
everywhere,
but
last
month
month
before
we,
you
know
we
created
a
new
assistant
superintendent
for
8,000,
and
we
made
a
director
a
director
one
for
another
seven,
and
then
we
took
the
assistant
superintendent
secretary
and
enriched
her
salary
by
$2,500
and
there's
many
more
things
that
have
gone
on
on
I
know
your
you
know
the
district
is
going
to
say:
well,
we've
eliminated
positions
and
we've.
You
know
we
were
really
truly
about
saving
every
penny.
E
We
would
have
yes
eliminated
those
positions
distributed
the
work
and
not
enriched
anybody
else's
salaries,
especially
when
you
look
at
you
know
our
teachers
and
our
support
and
what
they're
dealing
with.
So
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
we're
we're
enriching
certain
people's
positions
and
not
something
as
crucial
as
this.
You
know
I
think
mr.
Van
Zandt,
you
said
at
the
workshop.
We
had
back
in
May
that,
in
order
for
the
information
service
department
to
fully
function,
we
need
to
have
mr.
Hendricks
mr.
E
Hendricks
as
a
assistant,
superintendent,
and
that
department
was
functioning.
Fine,
he's
doing
a
wonderful
job,
no
complaints
about
him
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
really.
You
know
we're
sitting
here
saying
we
we
got
a
save,
we
got
a
save
and
then
we're
enriching
other
people.
So
if
we're
going
to
spend
money
on
something,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
legal
services
that
we
are,
we
have
so
many
full
time.
Looking
at
every
aspect
of
everything
to
protect
the
district
and
I
feel
very
strongly
about
that.
So
that's
my
take.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
G
I
haven't
gotten
any
phone
calls
from
anybody
with
negative
feedback
about
the
services
we've
been
getting.
I
totally
agree
with
you
that
we
need
availability,
but
I
haven't
heard
that
we
haven't
had
it
so
I
understand
that
concern
and
if
it
became
an
issue
at
a
certain
point,
I
think
we
could
look
at
the
necessity
of
having
the
full-time
attorney
at
that
point.
G
But
up
until
now,
what
we're
doing
is
working
and
it's
saving
us
money.
So
I
don't
see,
you
know
the
need
for
a
change
if
it's,
if
it's
been
working
and
from
what
I've,
what
I've
heard
from
district
staff
and
principals
is
that
mr.
Sikes
has
made
himself
readily
available
now,
like
you
said,
nobody's
available
24/7
every
minute
of
the
day,
but
I
haven't
heard
anybody
say
that
it's
taken
him
longer
than
24
hours
to
get
back
with
them
on,
whatever
issue
may
be,
which
I
think
is
reasonable
and
not.
G
Nothing
did
interrupt
you
I
and
I.
Understand
one
100%
I
understand
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
making
this
a
full-time
position
will
ensure
that
that
attorney
is
going
to
pick
up
the
phone
every
single
time
you
call
people
are
out
of
the
office.
You
know
there.
Nobody
is
available
every
minute
every
second
of
the
day.
G
So
anyway,
that's
kind
of
my
take
on
it
and
I'll
echo.
What
you
all
said
about
our
budget
I
just
I
in
my
mind,
can't
justify
that
added
expense.
Unless
it
proves
itself
necessary
down.
The
road
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
from
miss
legato
if
she
has
an
opinion
since
she's
our
budget
expert
on
what
we
can
afford.
As
far
as
attorney
and
legal
services
fees
go,
what
your
opinion
would
be
over
the
the
overall
picture
and
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
B
B
D
My
turn
yes,
yes,
ma'am
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
we
went
through
this
I
believe
dark.
Mr.
Bronski
said
in
January
of
2000.
At
that
point,
weren't
you
on
the
board,
mr.
Van
Zandt
and
I
was
on
the
board.
So
this
is
like
deja
vu.
We
discussed
at
length
because
we
had
had
mr.
screw
be
for
years
and
years
and
years
he
was
the
grandfather
of
school
board
attorneys
and
mr.
D
D
D
At
the
time
you
know
and
I
wish,
I
had
gone
to
January
of
2000
I
would
have
gone
back
and
tried
to
go
back
and
look
and
see
what
was
said
and
why
and
the
reasons
why
the
board
and
thousand
decided
that
it
was
time
that
we
had
reached
this
point
that
we
needed
to
have
in-house
counsel.
I
am
strong
strongly
of
the
opinion
that
we
need
a
full-time
school
board
attorney
someone
who
has
the
time
I.
D
Don't
you
know
if
you,
if
you
heard
a
new
person-
and
they
perhaps
didn't-
have
that
much
knowledge
on
education
law
by
going
to
conferences
and
networking
with
the
other
schools
or
deter
knees
in
the
state
and
and
they
have
lines
of
communication
helping
each
other?
It's
a
it's
kind
of
like
a
brotherhood.
I
think
you
know
the
first
probably
year,
mr.
Bronski.
How
long
did
you
when
you
were
researcher?
Did
you
tell
me
that
mr.
Bittner
worked
with
mr.
D
screwby
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
I
forget
how
long
it
was,
but
he
I
mean
he
shattered
him
really
and
had
a
year.
It
was
a
very
smooth
transition
and
nobody
is
going
to
know
everything
that
they're
going
to
be
facing
when
they
walk
in
the
door,
but
he
had
a
year
to
work
with
someone
who
knew
it.
He
just
had
it
in
his
head.
D
Trying
to
take
the
personalities
out
of
it.
I
feel
like
with
the
miss
Carrick,
is
brought
out
some
of
the
points
on
the
day-to-day
working
out
in
a
school
and
needing
someone
immediately,
not
calling
downtown
Jacksonville,
hoping
that
you
can
get
someone
also
someone
who
is
here
during
board
meetings.
Who
knows
the
players?
Who
knows
the
members
of
the
audience
who
tend
to
speak
each
month
and
perhaps
have
an
agenda?
Who
knows
the
lay
of
the
land
knows
the
people.
F
D
D
Unfortunately,
this
last
few
months,
I
am
very
uncomfortable
with
some
of
the
opinions
that
I
have
heard
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
personalities,
but
I'll
be
happy
to
share
that
with
you.
But
I
think
that
this
district
has
gone
far
beyond
just
hiring
an
outside
firm
I
was
looking
at
some
of
these
counties.
I
wish
we
had
had
this,
you
know
earlier,
but
I
know
you
were
working
to
get
it
up,
but
now,
like
clonk
Collier
County,
that's
Naples,
that's
one!
D
That's
probably
the
richest
town
in
the
United
States
per
capita
I
know
the
first
year
I
was
married,
I
lived
there
and
that's
what
they
told
me.
This
is
the
first,
the
richest
town
in
the
United
States
per
capita.
This
is
where
all
the
corporate
heads
had
their
fancy.
Homes
I
mean
they're.
They
have
got
money
out
the
yin-yang
down
there,
so
they
could
pay
whatever
they
want
to
and
they
do
they
pay
quite
well.
Then
you
look
at
Escambia
with
42,000.
D
D
Rate
and
then
they've
got
325
is
in
the
budget.
Last
year
we
spent
306.
Well,
I
was
looking
even
at
what
we
you
said.
It
was
230
that
we
had
paid
mr.
Bittner
and
did
that
include
Sabrina,
okay,
even
even
last
the
year
before,
when
we
everything
went
crazy
and
we
had
some
really
serious,
HR
things
when
we
spent
the
hundred
and
forty
that
total
would
have
been
like
370
and
that
if
you
look
down
that
puts
us,
you
know
in
the
ballpark,
with
districts
that
are
more
in
the
area
that
we
are
I.
D
Safe
legally,
we
haven't
been
sued
and
had
someone
come
out
against
us,
we
we
have
been
protected.
We've
had
good
legal
advice
and
and
I
count
on
that,
because
there's
the
worst
thing
that
can
happen
for
this
district
is
that
we
wind
up
getting
someone
who's,
maybe
not
real,
checked
out
on
it
and
we
get
some
bad
legal
advice.
You
may
save
fifty
thousand
dollars,
but
sometimes
you
know
they're
saying
cutting
off
your
nose
to
spite
your
face.
D
C
D
If
we
had
an
in-house
attorney,
who
can
just
there's
just
so
many
things
they
can
just
handle
that
don't
need
to
go
to
the
outside
attorney
now
labor
attorneys,
the
workers
can't
I
mean
that
we're
going
to
spend
that
no
matter
what
we
do
for
legal
services,
they
they're
specialists
and
that
area,
but
as
far
as
a
school
board
attorney
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
like
having
someone
who
mr.
Van
Zandt
are
the
board
members
or
staff
members
can
be.
D
Are
the
principal's
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
them
and
they
don't
have
to
explain?
Well
yet
now
Miss
Ross,
she
is
es
e.
You
know
it.
There
is
a
difference
there
and
I
say
again
think
about
the
County
Commission
they're
sitting
there
with
two
attorneys
and
I.
Don't
know
what
they
made,
but
I
think
they
spend
a
whole
lot
on
legal
services
over.
C
D
G
J
That
we,
we
sent
you
guys
everything
that
we
possibly
could
over
I
think
a
year's
period
of
time.
If
it
was
a
substantial
packing
I
think
we
gave
you
all
printed
out
copy.
Mr.
Sykes
addressed
the
public
records
request
in
an
email
here
addressed
it
here
on
record.
If
you
guys
would
like
to
come
and
look
at
actual
bills,
you
may
but
we've,
given
you
guys
everything
we
can
in
public
records
that
exist
without
this
board,
taking
further
action
to
release
records
of
things
that
are
currently
pending
and
at
the
chairs
pleasure
mr.
J
C
J
That
that
depends,
like
all
of
you
have
said,
like
mister
just
said,
based
on
what
happens
in
terms
of
employee
discipline,
slips
trips
and
falls
that
really
doesn't
vary
depending
on
who
or
how
often
the
school
board's
attorney
is
or
how
often
they're
in
the
office
that
cost
varies
depending
on
situations
beyond
our
control.
Mister.
J
C
B
B
Basically
reviewing
the
board
meeting,
where
we
had
some
of
our
staff
come
forward
and
talk
about,
you
know
the
services
that
they
had.
You
know
that
they've
gotten
I
am
inclined
to
believe
that
a
part
time.
The
part
time
services
that
we're
getting
right
now
I
think
are
efficient.
I
think
that
they
are
satisfactory.
I
I
am
inclined
to
believe
that
we
had
a
full-time
attorney
before
and
I
think
that
that
full-time
attorney
had
a
lot
of
time
on
his
hands
and
and
I
am
NOT.
B
I
do
not
want
to
go
back
and
revisit
those
things,
but
I
will
say:
I
didn't
get
the
best.
A
service
from
that
attorney
and
I
can
recall
a
request
that
took
23
days
to
get
a
response
to
and
and
I
had,
also
heard
the
same
kind
of
again
all
I'm
saying
is
that
I
think
with
the
the
services
that
we've
been
getting
for
the
past.
You
know
six
seven
months
under
the
current
model,
I
think
are
sufficient
and
I
think
they're
providing
a
savings
for
us.
B
So
my
opinion
and
my
position
is
that
I
think
that
we
go
forward.
We
do
an
advertisement
searching
for
a
part-time
attorney
at
a
flat
rate,
because
I
think
that
proves
to
be
the
best
model
at
a
flat
rate,
and
we
can
discuss
further
what
we
think
that
flat
rate
should
be
I.
Think
that
we
have
to
whatever
that
rate
is.
It
has
to
be
sufficient
to
draw
the
kind
of
attorney
that
is
going
to
provide
what
miss
stuttered
and
everybody
agrees-
needs
to
have
some
experience.
B
We
can't
have
somebody
come
in
here,
just
cold,
so
but
again,
I
think
that
the
20
to
30
hours
a
week
I
mean
I,
think
it's
been
sufficient.
I,
haven't
you
know,
like
miss
Gill
hasn't
said,
I
haven't
heard
a
peep
about
staff
members
or
anybody
from
the
public
or
anybody
not
being
satisfied
with
the
services
that
we're
getting
and
if
I
could
just
add,
mrs.
Studdard.
You
referred
back
to
2000
when
you
guys
were
having
this
I
actually
pulled
up.
Some
did
some
digging
back
in
history
and
actually
pulled
up.
B
Some
emails
got
some
emails
of
the
when
mr.
bickner
was
originally
hired
and
mr.
Scooby
and
all
of
that
stuff,
and
I
think
the
times
were
very
different
back
then
back
in
2000,
this
district
had
a
very
large
fund
balance
and
they
could
afford
to
pay
for
a
full-time
attorney
and
yeah.
We
are
a
much
larger
district
today,
but
we
don't
have
the
fund
balance
and
I
think
that
even
goes
more
to
the
argument
of
why
we
need
to
try
to
you
know,
cut
some
costs
here.
B
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
cut
quality
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
cut
ourselves
short.
But
if
there's
an
opportunity-
and
you
know
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
we
could
do
it
on
an
annual
contract.
So
if
we
discover
if
we,
if
we
have
a
bad
year-
and
we
say
you
know
what
then
in
a
year,
you
know
we
can
change
it,
there's
nothing.
B
That
says
that
we
can't
change
and
go
back,
but
but
I
think
that
if
there's
a
opportunity
to
have
a
savings,
you
know
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
it,
especially
in
light
of
where
we
are
with
our
fund
balance
and
I
hunted
and
$40,000
savings
is
substantial.
Again,
I,
don't
know
you
know
what
we
would
all
agree
would
be
a
good
flat
rate,
but
that's
my
position.
My
position
is
that
we
go
and
advertise
for
a
part-time
attorney
at
a
flat
rate,
and
we
continue
with
the
model
that
we're
going
now.
I'd.
A
Like
to
point
out
that,
on
this
survey,
only
one-third
of
the
districts,
our
size
and
I
actually
I
think
Putnam
is
a
wannabe
middle
sized
district.
Don't
know
how
they
made
you
list
at
ten
thousand
students,
but
if
you
pull
them
out,
it's
still,
you
know
only
just
a
little
over
one
third
of
the
districts
have
in-house
counsel
and
and
notably
st.
John's
is
not
one
of
them
and
we
all
receive
I
would
imagine.
We
all
received
I.
A
Think
I
can't
remember
looking
at
the
distribution
but
Virginia
Collins,
who
has
spoken
to
this
board
on
numerous
occasions,
sent
us
all
an
email
asking
us
to
do
it
like
st.
John's
does
and,
interestingly
enough,
they
contract
out
there
Yesi
and
HR.
They
say,
but
at
any
rate
the
ones
who
have
full
time
that
answered.
We
don't
know
if
Bay
at
275,
if
that's
two
hundred
seventy-five
thousand
or
two
thousand
two
hundred
seventy
five
dollars
an
hour,
Collier
is
180
to
Escambia.
A
We
don't
know
175
or
175
an
hour
and
then
Indian
River
I
did
the
math
on
that
one.
They
come
out
to
264
thousand
plus
travel
and
copying
fees,
and
then
one
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
an
hour
for
litigation
on
top
of
that,
and
then
the
Marion
County
is
I.
Guess
they
don't
really
know
what
they
pay
their
attorney,
it's
somewhere
between
eighty
eight
thousand
and
one
hundred
and
one
thousand,
so
it
just
it.
It
intrigues
me
that
other
districts.
A
carica
that
it's
a
need.
I,
you
know
we
were
just
guessing
and
I
was
the
one
vote
against
it.
But
when
we
were
discussing
the
advertisement
for
assistant
superintendent
for
business
services,
mr.
Van
Zandt
presented
that
we
would
change
the
Job
Description
and
make
that
job
different
than
it
ended
up
being
and
I.
Remember
the
discussion
being
no.
This
is
too
important
of
a
job.
A
We
can't
do
that
and,
and
and
I
was
the
one
vote
against
it,
because
I
think
we
just
have
to
do
things
differently,
whether
we
want
to
or
not
whether
we
would
always
choose
to
or
not.
We
are
where
we
are
today
and
and
it's
not
our
money,
it's
the
taxpayers,
money
and
I
still
haven't
found
where
I
haven't.
A
Had
anyone
tell
me
where
legal
services
are
not
being
provided
where
they
should
be
and
I
the
list
that
she
read
I've
read:
I,
read
the
job
description
of
our
board
attorney
a
lot
of
those
things
are
not
in
that
job,
description
and
I
wonder.
Is
it
opening
the
district
up
actually
for
someone
to
to
represent
our
employees
in
some
of
those
ways
in
not
representing
the
board
but
representing
the
employees
and
I've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
different
administrators
who
have
different
opinions
on
that
as
well,
so
I,
just
okay.
B
I
think,
for
the
sake
of
the
discussion,
I
want
to
allow
everybody
else
to
speak,
one
more
time
kind
of
as
a
follow-up
and
then
I
think
we're
going
to
take
a
couple.
Questions
I
see
miss
Paiva
out
there
waving
her
yellow
card,
so
we'll
letting
this
private
come
up.
She
has
a
question
and
then
and
then
we'll
I'll
try
to
get
some
consensus
on
how
to
go
forward.
Okay,
so
miss
Gill
housing.
You
motion
that
you
had
something
to
to
say:
I
was.
G
G
C
G
E
G
J
Well,
I'm,
just
thinking
about
the
varied
I
mean
pick
there's
six
of
us
here
with
very
visible
people.
Mr.
sikes
is
very
visible.
The
assistant,
superintendents
I
mean
John
murrells
Minh
is
in
his
job
for
a
year,
I
mean
do
I
want
to
send
out
a
survey
and
say
what
do
you
think
about
support
services
because
everybody,
you
know
somebody
didn't
get
their
sidewalk
port
or
their
covered
walkway
or
I?
Don't
I,
don't
know
that
I
want
to
go
down
that
road.
J
C
E
B
B
C
E
To
say
and
I
was
listening
to
what
you
said
mr.
McKinnon
and
you
used
the
word
sufficient
and
satisfactory,
and
you
know
I
think
when
it
comes
to
our
legal
services
that
shouldn't
be
satisfactory.
We
should
have
the
best
legal
services
to
represent
everyone
in
this
district,
and
you
know
we
might
be
saving
I
think
the
number
mr.
broadsky
said
was
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
well.
We
all
know
that
there
are
lawsuits
that
can
amount
to
a
much
greater
amount
than
that
and
I
mean
I.
C
E
You
know
there's
so
many
things
in
here
that
I
read
that
you
know
you
know,
I
didn't
even
realize
were
things
that
he
dealt
with
and
I'm
sure
you
know
mr.
Sykes
is
capable
of
dealing
with
all
these
and
probably
has
dealt
with
quite
a
few
of
these
already,
but
I
just
think
you
know
if
we
hire
a
part-time
attorney.
E
If
somebody
who
has
a
private
practice
who
has
other
issues
the
school
board
of
Clay
County
is
not
their
number
one
priority,
it's
one
of
their
priorities,
but
it's
not
their
number
one
and
they
may
have
something
that's
more
pressing
that
they
have
to
devote
their
time
to,
which
is
why
I
feel
strongly
that
an
in-house
is
the
way
that
we
should
go
and
it's
a
model
that
you
know
in
2001.
This
district
was
growing
and
I
wish.
E
We
did
know
the
size
of
the
district
at
that
time,
but
I
would
imagine
we
were
probably
in
the
twenty
thousand
range.
It's
a
guess.
Anybody
know.
Is
it
more
or
less?
Sixteen
thousand
yeah
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
think
that
we've
probably
doubled
in
size
since
then
and
I
think
I.
Just
you
know
this
is
the
one
area
I,
don't
think
we
should
skimp
on
and
it's
an
you
know
it's
it's
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
personalities
either.
You
know
mr.
Sykes
has
done
a
fine
job.
E
B
E
And
see
how
you
then,
you
know
the
majority
will
vote
and
do
what
we
think,
but
I
feel
strong.
That
that
would
be
an
avenue.
I
would
not
want
to
take
okay.
I
would
really
want
to
go
with
a
full-time,
because
truthfully,
the
last
six
months
were
fortunate,
that
nothing
has
come
up.
That
has
been
an
issue
and
that
mr.
Sykes
has
made
himself
as
available
as
he
has.
E
But
I
do
think
you
know,
there's
there's
probably
a
lot
of
times
where
the
schools
or
ESC
has
had
to
wait
on
him
getting
back
to
them
and
no
fault
of
his,
because
you
know
he
has
returned
their
calls
and
he's
doing
what
he's
supposed
to.
But
if
we
had
an
in-house
it
would
be,
you
know
much
quicker
response
and
he
would
be
available.
You
know
EFE
hearings,
depositions,
you
know
the
attorney
goes
in
when
the
employees
have
to
have
a
deposition
he's
there
with
them,
because.
C
B
B
K
Okay,
that's
fine!
It's
questions
that
I
have
okay,
I,
am
concerned
my
question:
well,
I!
Guess:
I,
don't
know
how
to
phrase
this
because
I
hear
a
principal
principal
principal,
but
I
can
tell
you
where
the
teachers
are
and
you
haven't
received,
calls
I'll
make
sure
you
do
because
we
do
have
teachers
that
have
been
subpoenaed
and
teachers
who
have
to
be
given
deposition.
Nfn
not
had
any
advice
in
the
current
situation.
Mrs.
K
Don't
want
to
be
rude,
but
that's
that's
the
rule
you're
going
to
do
our
teachers
going
to
be
allowed
to
call
mr.
sites.
That's
that's
a
question
that
I
do
have
because
that's
I
just
want
services:
okay,
okay
and
that's
what
my
concern
is
and
I
am
representing.
The
CCA
I'm
representing
the
teachers
and
the
teachers
we
need
to
get
services
is
that
phone
number
going
to
be
available
to
teachers.
Also,
okay,
there's
my
question
there.
K
My
second
question
is
I'm
concerned
when
I
look
at
the
counties
that
mirror
us,
the
counties
that
mirror
us
is
always
Leon:
SaLuSa,
Santa,
Santa,
Rosa,
ants
and
st.
John's.
So
whenever
we
compare
apples
to
apples,
those
are
the
four
counties
because
of
they
represent
us:
they're,
medium-sized
counties
and
they're
about
the
same
as
our
population.
K
There
is
a
huge
difference,
and
this
is
my
question:
these
counties
are
contracted
for
es
e
and
H
are,
and
they
have
a
separate
attorney
and
separate
attorney
and
I.
Just
I
just
can't
understand
how
you
know
we're
going
to
say
that
they're
paying
200
a
quarter
million
dollars
or
309
thousand
dollars,
but
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
these
services
with
a
$90,000
attorney
and
also
HR
running
17,000.
Is
that
what
we're
saying
HR
is
no.
K
E
H
H
I
have
teachers
called
me
whenever
they
want
to
call
me
they
can
contact
me
if
they
want
to
ask
the
principal
phone
number.
They'll
call
I'll
talk
to
them.
Absolutely
here's
the
problem,
and
this
is
the
issue.
That's
come
up
and
I've
addressed
this
with
the
principals
and
I've
dressed
the
number
of
teachers
when
teachers
get
subpoenaed
to
go
to
a
hearing
on
a
custody
case
on
a
divorce
case.
They
are
not
being
subpoenaed
as
as
official
witnesses
from
the
school
board.
H
They're,
not
they're,
being
subpoenaed,
as
fact
with
witnesses
as
such
I
cannot
go
in
there
and
object.
I
can't
say
you
know,
objection
the
harassing
I'm,
not
an
attorney
to
the
party
activity,
yet
the
lawsuit
as
such
I
have
absolutely
no
standing
in
lawsuit.
I
have
no
ability
to
object.
I
have
no
ability
to
tell
a
lawyer
what
to
do.
H
I
have
no
ability
to
make
exceptions
with
the
judge
and
as
I've
advised
them
and
I've
told
them
that
the
bottom
line
of
it
is
that
the
lawyer
for
the
school
board
does
not
have
the
authority
to
do
any
of
the
things
that
some
of
these
teachers
are.
Looking
for
additionally,
if
they,
if
they
had
their
own
attorney
and
let's
say
they
went
and
they
pay
for
their
own
attorney,
their
own
attorney
can't
object.
Their
own
attorney
can't
intercede
and
can't
do
anything
in
the
action.
H
They
can
always
call
me,
but
if
they
want
a
lawyer
to
come
in
there
and
appear
in
a
court
proceeding,
they
aren't
gonna
be
able
to
do
that,
whether
they
pay
for
the
own
attorney
or
they
have
me,
do
it,
because,
in
order
to
object
in
a
proceeding,
you
have
to
be
a
counsel
of
record
and
you
have
to
represent
a
party
to
the
proceeding.
If
you
are
not
a
counsel
of
record-
and
you
are
not
a
party
to
the
proceeding-
you
can't
do
objections.
H
No
it
even
if
I
was
a
full-time
attorney.
I
would
have
the
same
answer
to
them,
because
I
mean
I
understand.
Mr.
Bergner
would
occasionally
go
to
some
of
these
depositions
in
the
hearings,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
would
tell
you
that
that,
fundamentally,
if
he
tried
to
intercede
in
the
proceedings,
I,
don't
know
why
he
would
do
it
or
how
he
would
legally
do
it,
because
you
cannot
do
it.
I.
A
Out
better,
the
closest
that
mirror
us
I'm,
not
sure
our
ninety
thousand
is
off-base
because
st.
John's
says
they
have
$100,000
retainer,
and
then
they
say
they
very.
We
budgeted
an
average,
but
they
do
that.
Retainer
would
come
from
what
the
what
the
law
firm
has
decided
is
about
what
they
would
need.
Santa
Rosa
says
typically
less
than
seventy
thousand
for
board
attorney
we
contract
for
other
attorneys
and
then
Colusa,
it's
really
hard
to
figure
out
because
they
do
a
six
hundred.
A
B
I,
don't
think
so
either
the
way
that
I
the
way
that
I
read
this
data
and
I
I
could
be
reading
it
wrong,
but
the
way
that
I
read
this
is
the
column
where
it
says:
do
you
pay
an
attorney,
an
hourly
rate
or
flat
rate
that
figure
that's
in
there
is
my
understanding
is
what
they're
paying
the
attorney
the
column.
That
says
you
have
a
total
amount,
budgeted
or
typically
spent
annually
for
all
legal
services.
B
That
would
be
your
attorney,
plus
all
those
outside
services
that
they
budget
for,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
that's
what
they
pay
they
could
pay
more.
They
could
pay
less
I.
Think
that's
just
the
question
is
what
do
you
bud?
What
do
you
do
you
typically
budget
for
legal
services
and,
if
so,
I
think
it's
intended
to
just
give
you
an
idea
of
what
they
might
pay
on
an
annual
basis,
so
I
would
agree
with
you.
I
I,
don't
think
our
ninety
90
thousand
is
off
base,
so,
okay,
so
to
move
forward.
B
I
just
want
to
talk
about
next
step,
so
I'm
going
to
propose
and
we'll
just
go,
try
to
get
a
consensus.
Okay,
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
go
out
and
I
don't
I,
don't
know
if
the
process
is
an
RFP
or
if
we
just
advertise
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
go
out
with
an
RFP
I
think
we
can
just
advertise.
I
got
some
core
Spahn,
it's
from
mrs.
Racine
that
she
had
sent
me
with
some
policy.
B
B
D
C
B
H
Never
kept
a
billing
record.
There
had
been
times
where
I've
done
more
there's
been
times
where
I've
done
less
I'm.
Sorry
I
mean
I,
can't
tell
you
how
many
exactly,
but
but
20
hours
essentially
has
covered
my
time
and
I'm
a
multitasker
I
have
multiple
plates
going
the
exact
same
time.
That's
just
the
nature
of
how
I
operate.
Okay.
B
I
would
say:
I
would
end
the
day
zero.
We
could
say
between
20
to
30
hours
a
week
and,
however,
they
want
to
spread
that
time
out.
I
wouldn't
say
you
have
to
be
there
on
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays,
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
they
they'll
get
a
feel
for
how
they
need
to.
You
know,
distribute
their
time,
but
we
could
say
20
to
30
hours
a
week
distributed.
You
know
across
the
week.
G
B
B
B
J
D
D
J
But
just
nouns
and
verbs
here,
advertisement
flat-rate
part-time
20,
30
hours
a
week,
90,000
all
inclusive,
no
benefits
and
a
scope
of
work
and
I
agree
with
what
I
think
that
we
have
consensus
with
we're
going
to
continue
to
contract
out
for
HR
workers,
comp
and
personal
injury
and
those
other
things
that
were
covering
in-house.
We
would
like
that
guy
to
cover,
so
we
can
get
with
miss
Racine.
Look
at
the
old
advertisement,
maybe
get
an
advertisement
that
another
county
is
used
and
put
something
together.
J
B
J
I
J
At
that
point,
every
you
revisit
off.
You
know
it's
just
like
anything
else.
You
can
re
advertise
a
job
if
you
put
out
a
bid
for
somebody
to
do
anything,
build
a
building,
run
your
internet
for
you
and
you
don't
you're,
not
comfortable.
You
deny
all
bids
and
you
know
do
whatever
you
think
you
have
to
do
to
get
that
quality
a
service
raised.
So
if
you
don't
like
any
of
what
you
got
we'll
start
over.
B
So
the
contract
that
we
have
right
now
with
mr.
Sykes,
that
does
that
provide
the
work
of
scope
that
we're
talking
about
for
a
part-time
attorney
I
think
it
does.
Doesn't
it
or
it
does
I
see
him
shaking
his
head
over
there
yeah,
so
is
that
that's
a
place
that
we
could
start
right,
okay
and
then
the
job,
the
current
job
description.
We
would
include
that,
because
that
doesn't
the
job
description
also
detail
the
scope
of
work
as
well:
okay,
okay,.