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Talk from a powerhouse guest speaker, Jane Patton, Senior Campaigner at Center for International Environmental Laws focusing on the plastic crisis in the Gulf Coast and the Break Free From Plastic Pollution Act in the US Congress.
A
All
right,
so
we've
got
a
pretty
full
agenda
today,
a
number
of
the
speakers
and
think
everybody
see
that
okay,
so
ryan
will
lead
off
with
the
indigenous
land
acknowledgement.
We've
got
a
short
piece
from
the
creative
group,
we'll
call
it
climate
anthem,
2021,
for
lack
of
a
better
name.
Leah's
got
a
piece
on
community
building.
A
We
have
a
guest
speaker
well,
this
is
messed
up
here,
but
roger's
going
to
talk
about
one
climate
moment
and
then
we
have
a
guest
speaker,
jane
patton,
who
is
going
to
talk
to
us
on
plastics
petrochemicals
and
avoiding
empty
promises
in
the
gulf.
We'll
have
a
brief
announcement
from
courtney
cecal.
I
hope
I
said
that
correctly
she's,
a
new
member
in
a
climate
anthropology
faculty
member
at
unt,
so
really
interested
to
hear
what
she
has
to
say.
A
A
Specifically
in
the
dfw
areas,
we
are
standing
and
living
on
the
lands
stolen
from
the
kickapoo
wichita
tawakoni
jumanos
and
comanche
people
who
have
been
harmed
yet
continue
to
thrive
in
the
process
of
colonization
and
white
supremacy.
I
encourage
everyone
to
go
to
native
land,
dot,
ca
and
educate
ourselves
on
these
native.
A
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
Yes,
thanks
dan,
hello,
everybody
welcome
to
the
june
meeting
so
a
couple
months
ago,
roger
and
I
and
simon
we
were
thinking
about
you
know
how
do
we
get
you
guys
to
actually
know
each
other
right
and
so
a
lot
of
times
like
during
these
virtual
training
or
where
meetings
were
just
sitting
in
front
of
our
computer
and
listening.
So
we
thought
today
we're
gonna,
put
you
guys
into
breakout
groups,
because
I
believe
a
lot
of
you
have
seen
each
other,
but
you
don't
know
anything
or
very
little
from
each
other.
B
Right
kind
of
you
know
each
other's
name
and
a
little
bit
of
where
people
are
being
trained
and
what
they
do
a
little
bit.
But
on
top
of
that,
you
know,
there's
very
limited
that
we
know
about
each
other.
So
I'm
gonna
put
three
people
in
the
group
and
each
we,
we
all
have
10
minutes
and
you
can
just
do
chit
chat.
However,
you
want,
you
know,
think
about
the
first
10
minutes
you're
at
a
party,
but
if
your
group
have
problem
you
know
thinking
about
what
to
talk
about.
B
I
got
three
questions
for
you
right.
The
first
one
is:
how
do
you
feel
this
week
or
at
this
moment
the
second
one
is
tell
us
one,
exciting
thing
that
you
did
this
past
week
or
are
going
to
do
in
the
next
couple
days
and
then
the
third
one
is
one
of
the
things
that
you
did
this
past
week
to
take
care
of
yourselves.
B
Okay,
three
questions,
but
you
don't
have
to
talk
about
them.
If
you
don't
want
to,
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
in
your
breakout
group,
ten
minutes.
Okay,
all
right
hold
on
someone
is
sharing
the
screen.
I
apologize.
I
have
to
stop
you.
Okay,
all
right.
Sorry,
no
you're,
good,
you're,
good!
I'm
gonna
recreate
this
group.
Where
do
I
see
the
time?
There's
no
time.
A
C
You
didn't
hear
a
word,
I
said,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
hoping
we're
going
to
be
back
in
the
main
room
in
about
30
seconds.
So
I
just
said
for
me:
what's
coming
up
is
a
trip
to
new
mexico,
that's
home!
For
me,
my
brother
has
just
moved
to
santa
fe,
closing
down
his
law
practice
and
retiring
to
santa
fe,
so
very
excited
to
be
going
home,
and
here
comes
everybody
back.
C
B
All
right,
wonderful,
do
you
guys,
did
you
guys
have
fun
okay.
So
the
news
is
that
we'll
we'll
continue
doing
this
every
single
month,
guys
and
every
month,
you'll
be
talking
to
different
people.
Hopefully
you
find
each
other's
superpowers.
So
we
got
like
two
minutes.
If
you
learn
any
superpowers
interesting
stuff
that
each
others
are
doing,
you
can
put
it
in
the
chat
or
you
can
unmute
yourself.
B
That's
a
good
thought
we
should
we
could
phone
each
other
right
and
if
you
need
each
other's
number,
talk
to
me
or
talk
to
anyone
in
the
executive
committee,
we
can
tell
you
their
numbers,
but
you
have
to
come
to
us.
Okay,
all
right!
That's
it
for
today
and
we'll
continue
on
in
july.
So
back
to
you,
then.
C
C
It's
one
of
the
great
things
that's
happening
in
the
chapter,
we're
building
coalitions.
We've
got
a
coalition
of
texas
chapters
plus
new
orleans.
The
plastics
group
has
really
been
participating
in
that
they
have
meetings
from
every
chapter
every
month,
coming
in
and
and
planning
coordinated
actions
and,
and
we
got
to
know
jane
there.
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
co-chairs
of
that
group.
It's
brian
hassenbauer,
brittany,
baum
and
ryan
hamilton.
C
If
you're
not
aware
of
what
they're
doing
think
about
attending
one
of
their
monthly
meetings.
One
of
the
many
groups
we've
got
that
are
in
action,
but
I'm
not
here
to
introduce
the
speaker.
I
am
here
to
say
a
word
about
our
climate
moment,
the
the
campaign
that
is
focusing
on
federal
legislation
that
is
underway
and
next
week
is
going
to
be
a
nationwide
effort
across
all
the
chapters.
The
focus
is
on
generating
support
for
biden's
american
jobs
plan.
C
If
you
don't
have
time
to
make
a
call
or
do
a
click,
wow
rethink
rethink
your
definition
of
yourself.
As
an
activist,
we
have
a
very
rare
window
of
opportunity
to
take
significant
action
at
the
federal
level
and
we
need
to
be
mobilizing
everybody
in
the
chapter
to
get
on
in
on
that.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
I
want
to
thank
today,
starting
with
alan
castoy.
C
He's
here
in
the
meeting,
alan
has
agreed
for
some
time
to
head
up
our
new
legislative
action
working
group.
That
was
a
an
unknown
task
when
I
asked
him
to
take
it
on.
It
has
expanded,
probably
beyond
what
he
anticipated,
but
he
is
really
taking
the
lead
and
I'm
very
appreciative
of
what
he's
doing
the
next
thing
that
we
set
out
to
try
to
do.
We've
never
done
it
before
was
get
a
district
organizer
in
every
congressional
district
that
our
chapter
has
members
living
in.
C
I
can't
tell
you
how
significant
it
is
in
the
life
of
this
chapter
that
we
could
ask
for
that.
Many
people
to
take
on
a
big
organizing
responsibility
and
have
the
and
have
eight
out
of
the
nine
districts
already
covered,
hey
y'all
in
fort
worth.
On
the
west
side,
we
are
looking
for
somebody
still
for
district
12..
C
C
C
C
This
is
the
first
time
that
we
have
achieved
a
significant
organizing
presence
in
every
single
part
of
the
metropolitan
area.
We
mean
to
capitalize
on
that,
so
it
is
right.
Now,
the
hour
climate
moment
campaign,
there
is
an
opposition
to
petrochemical
infrastructure
campaign
coming
in
the
fall
and
one
heartbeat
after
that,
the
2022
election
cycle
is
underway.
C
We've
already
invited
all
of
these
organizers
to
start
thinking
in
terms
of
planning
for
both
the
congressional
elections
and
the
state
elections
in
2022.
So
this
is
not
a
one-shot
kind
of
organizational
move
on
the
part
of
the
chapter.
This
is
going
to
be
ongoing
to
organize
around
political
activism.
C
C
So
the
organizers
have
lists
to
work
with
if
you've
looked
at
the
shape
of
the
congressional
districts
in
our
area
after
gerrymandering,
you
can
begin
to
appreciate
how
hard
it
is
to
try
to
figure
out
where
people
live
and
which
district
they're
in
we
may
not
have
gotten
it
perfect.
There
are
some
overlaps
and
there
may
be
errors,
but
it's
the
best
shot
at
this
we've
ever
had,
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
three
of
them
because
it
this
was
a
heavy
lift.
C
C
There
is
good
reason
for
you
to
go.
Get
yourself
signed
up
as
a
deputy
voter
registrar
in
your
county
and
start
thinking
about
voter
registration.
From
now
till
the
2022
elections
happen.
I
don't
think
there
is
one
single
thing
that
you
could
do
as
a
climate
activist
that
matters
more
than
getting
voters
registered
and
getting
people
to
the
polls.
C
So
what
the
chapter
can
do
is
do
this
organizing
in
the
background,
but
that
doesn't
take.
That
doesn't
mean
action.
Action
is
going
to
now
depend
on
the
members
like
it
always
has.
If
you
have,
if
you
heard
mr
gore
back
on
the
11th
in
his
webinar,
he
said
we
don't
have
a
magic
wand
to
pass
legislation.
C
What
we've
got
is
all
of
you
and
he
meant
chapter
members.
Now,
there's
one
more
thing
before
I
shut
up,
I
have
heard
because
we
we
have
three
democrats,
but
we
have
six
republicans
in
those
congressional
districts
and
I've
heard
some
voices
of
cynicism
or
skepticism.
It's
just
not
going
to
make
any
difference.
C
C
There
were
a
lot
of
very
bad
bills,
and
it
includes
a
number
of
the
bills
that
people
in
this
chapter
worked
very
hard
on
called
every
single
member
on
the
calendar
committee
in
the
house
over
and
over
on
these
specific
bills,
and
these
bills
did
not
pass
I'll.
Just
read
two
bill
numbers.
Some
of
you
who
were
involved
will
recognize
them
sb
1261,
which
was
a
bill
that
would
have
torpedoed
the
climate
action
plan
in
every
major
city
in
this
state.
It
did
not
pass.
C
Sb
1282
is
a
bill
that
would
have
put
a
major
new
financial
obstacle
in
the
path
of
anybody
wanting
to
start
new,
solar
or
new
wind
projects
in
texas.
We
called
about
that
bill
a
lot.
It
did
not
pass
the
list
of
bad
bills
that
did
not
pass
because
of
citizen
action
is
much
longer,
and
if
you
want
the
whole
list,
I've
got
it.
Leah's
got
it,
we
can.
We
can
put
it
in
front
of
you.
C
C
This
is
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road
we
need
all
of
you
involved
in
this
campaign.
I
want
to
thank
again
all
of
the
people
in
the
chapter
that
I've
named,
who
are
all
already
taking
leadership
roles
in
this
it
is.
It
is
a
big
big
step
forward
for
this
chapter
and,
of
course,
those
of
you
that
know
me
know
that
I
cannot
stop.
Until
I
remind
you
when
you
do
those
calls
clicks
actions,
please
record
your
active
leadership.
Okay,
leah
dan,
back
to
you,
that's
my
spiel
on
our
climate
moment.
B
B
So
when
you
click
on
the
link
I
put
into
the
chat
after
you
sign
the
petition
by
climate
reality,
they
will
send
you
an
email
with
all
the
talking
points
and
all
the
details.
You
need
right.
So
click
on
those
link
and
I'll
put
it
on
again
and
then,
when
you
click
on
to
make
a
call,
I
believe,
because
I'm
trying
to
find
it
in
my
email,
but
I
couldn't
find
it,
but
they
will
send
you
talking
points.
You
know
whether
it's
conservative
liberal,
you
know
talking
to
your
your
community
leaders.
E
B
E
A
B
C
Oh
sure,
a
good
grief,
you
all
know
that
I
can
talk
for
the
whole
meeting
and-
and
you
can't
shut
me
up,
but
you
know
we
should.
We
should
recognize
that
jane's
coming
over
from
the
new
orleans
chapter,
she's
she's
been
an
organizer
for
a
long
time.
In
that
area
they
had
major
plans
for
juneteenth
event
up
in
up
in
cancer
alley
today.
As
part
of
that
rise,
st
james
coalition,
that
they're
part
of
I
don't
know
what
the
weather
is.
C
I
couldn't
it
looked
like
it
might
be
sunny,
but
I
know
they
were
under
pretty
severe
tropical
storm
warnings
and
threats
today.
So
maybe
it
may
be,
for
the
moment
they've
got
sun
but
jane
is
jane.
Is
someone
that
she's
gonna
get
introduced,
but
I
I've
had
several
conversations
with
her
and
man.
She
walks
the
walk.
She
is
an
organizer
of
at
a
level
that
we
can
all
aspire
to
be
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
she
has
to
say.
A
D
Sure
well,
thank
you
so
much
for
making
space
for
me
today.
I
just
really
have
a
sort
of
informal
ask.
It
starts
with
a
little
share
on
what
I'm
working
on
right
now
as
roger
might
have
explained,
or
I
think
it's
harder
for
getting
that.
I
am
an
anthropologist
and
I'm
at
unt,
and
I'm
a
professor
and
researcher
and
right
now,
I'm
working
on
a
new
project
studying
the
effects
of
heat
on
dallas,
fort
worth
residents
and
people
in
north
texas.
In
general.
D
D
Does
it
impact
your
social
relationships?
So,
for
instance,
some
early
data
has
shown
that
people
have
strains
on
their
relationships
because
of
heat
or
if
they're,
agricultural
or
outdoor
workers,
heat
impacts
them
differently,
and
so
there's
a
study
with
me
and
my
research
team,
which
is
a
small
group
of
research
assistants
at
unt
that
are
looking
at
how
it
is
that
heat
is
impacting
people
and
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
drop
the
link
to
the.
What
do
you
call
it?
Sorry?
D
A
Thank
you,
so
I
I
went
ahead
when
we
were
you
were
coming.
I
took
this
survey
ahead
of
time
and
I
thought
it
was
a
really
great
survey
and
I'm
a
there
was
a
part
in
there
that
asked
about.
Are
you
interested
in
being
interviewed
or
whatever
you
know?
I've
lived
in
this
area,
my
entire
life,
I'm
a
fifth
generation
texan.
D
A
D
The
goal
for
the
project,
too,
is
to
figure
out
ways
that,
like
the
city,
can
use
the
data,
and
so
what
types
of
cooling
stations
are
people
looking
for
and
figuring
out
what
people
actually
want.
Sometimes
people
come
up
with
solutions
to
problems,
and
it's
not
the
solution
that
anybody
wanted.
So
if
we
like
give
people
a
voice
and
talking
about
things
that
would
help
them.
That's
part
of
the
goal
too
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
it
occurred
to
me.
I
went
to
all
12
grades
of
school
here
in
texas
in
the
dfw
area,
never
once
with
an
air-conditioned
classroom.
When
I
went
to
school
there
was
no
air
conditioning,
we
opened
the
windows,
we
had
a
fan.
That
was
it
and
but
I
don't
know
we
just
we
lived
with
it.
I
mean
we
learned
how
to
adapt.
I
guess
you'd
say
there's
also.
C
B
If
everybody
goes
to
well,
actually
you
can
all
go
to
climate
reality
dfw.org
right
now
and
you
will
see
simon
in
one
of
the
videos
he
made
and
zodiac
spelled
me
last
night,
so
that
will
be
coming
out
soon
and
then
we'll
put
britney's
video
on
our
website
too.
So
z
did
such
a
great
job.
You
know
finding
the
story
and
finding
you
know
call
to
action.
So
since
we're
just
talking
about
the
american
jobs
plan,
the
thing
I
filmed
yesterday
with
z
was
that
you
can
call
your
representative
in
30
seconds.
B
While
you
do
anything
right,
I
was
literally
filming
myself
chopping
vegetables
called
john
cornyn.
I
was
literally
filming
myself,
you
know
putting
on
shoes
and
call
tattoos
right
and
just
as
roger
said,
you
might
not
think
it
makes
sense,
but
they
work
for
us
guys
really
think
about
it.
They
work
for
us,
so
you
have
to
call
them.
You
have
to
call
them
often.
I
have
speed
dials
on
my
phone
and
I
literally
between
my
workout.
D
I
believe
to
sort
any
way
you
want
believe
it's
on
the
plastics
part
of
the
webpage,
but
do
have
a
look,
because
I
feel
that
if
we
act
as
a
a
consumer
group,
we
can
really
pressure
retail
people
who
want
to
do
away
with
plastic
to
do
away
with
it
and
those
who
want
to
start
businesses
that
don't
use
plastic.
There's
a
lot
of
us
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
dollars
in
our
pockets.
Thanks
folks,.
F
On
that
topic,
maureen,
I'm
also
curious,
whether
the
local
businesses
that
are
part
of
this
national
campaign,
like
pepsi,
dr
pepper,
whether
their
campaign
for
their
new
type
of
recycling
plastics,
has
merit.
I
haven't
drilled
down
on
it,
but
if
people
that
know
or
in
the
know
about
that
can
address
that
either
one
of
the
classic
meetings
or
if
jane
is
aware.
That
would
be
interesting.
E
D
E
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
actually
part
of
the
issue
with
some
of
these
campaigns-
is
that
they
say
a
lot
without
actually
saying
a
lot
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
is
going
to
be
real,
meaningful
change
is
when
these
companies
stop
packaging
their
products
in
single-use
plastic.
That's
it
period.
I
don't
care.
If
it's
being
recycled,
I
don't
or
I
don't
care
if
they
claim
that
it's
being
recycled,
I
don't
care
if
they
pay
the
new
york
times
the
daily
podcast.
To
tell
me
that
their
material
is
100
recyclable,
including
the
cap.
E
I
don't
care.
What
I
care
about
is
that
they
used
to
have
a
fully
functioning
worldwide
distribution
system,
logistics
supply
chain
for
reusable
bottles
that
were
collected
and
cleaned
and
refilled,
and
there
is
no
reason
why
we
can't
do
that
again
other
than
they
don't
want
to,
because
it's
expensive
and
that's
just
not
a
good
enough
reason
anymore,
and
when
they
talk
about
climate,
when
they
say
oh
we've
done,
life
cycle
assessments
and
plastic
is
the
best
greenhouse
is
the
best
for
climate.
That's
actually
not
true.
E
So
don't
come
here
and
tell
me
that,
like
plastics
is
the
best
for
the
climate,
because
it
is
not
don't
come
here
and
tell
me
that
your
material
is
100
recycled.
I
mean
sorry
recyclable
recyclable,
because
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
recycled.
What
that
means
is
that
somebody
in
a
laboratory
at
some
point,
was
able
to
turn
it
into.
E
E
Recycling
is
so
deeply
ingrained
and
like
deep
in
the
bones
of
the
of
american
society
that
it
makes
me
feel
like
an
utter
debbie,
downer
party,
pooper
buzzkill,
to
be
like
recycling
doesn't
work
and
I've
had
to
get
more
and
more
comfortable
with
the
fact
that
I
will
believe
these
companies
are
doing
something
good
when
they
have
a
refillable,
reusable
supply
chain
period.
That's
it
anything
short
of
that.
E
I'm
not
excited
about,
and-
and
I
don't
think
you
should
be
either
and
I
certainly
don't
think
we
should
be
giving
them
subsidies
for
it,
which
is
what
they're
asking
for
they're
asking
for
government
subsidies
to
do
even
the
most
minimally
responsible
thing,
and
with
that
I
would
actually
love,
because
I
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
y'all's
time,
and
it
is,
as
you
know,
as
someone
who's
51
minutes
late.
If
I
can
be
respectful
for
you
of
your
time.
So
I
understand
this
meeting
goes
until
2
30
is
that.
E
It's
a
little
bit
of
both.
There
are
some
updated
reports
that
I
can
send
you
about
what
the
recycling
rates
actually
are
and
undoubtedly
the
actual
recycling
rates
for
the
united
states
have
fallen
considerably
since
china's
not
taking
the
waste,
but
the
other
thing
that
we've
done
is
we've
been
sending
it
to
a
bunch
of
other
countries.
Malaysia,
vietnam,
the
philippines,
india
and
some
of
those
countries
are
actually
sending
it
back.
E
There
are
increasingly
more
and
more
stories
of
countries
denying
imports
and
shipments
of
containers
of
waste
from
the
us
from
canada
from
the
uk,
so
we're
actually
watching
these
countries
basically
say
we
don't
want
this,
I
mean
don't.
This
is
not
useful.
It's
not
valuable,
don't
offload
it
on
us,
but
it's
taken
a
lot
of
like
even
even
a
public
knowledge
for
for
people
to
know
that
that's
happening
in
those
countries.
I
mean
in
order
to
deny
a
a
shipping
container
of
trash
coming
into
malaysia.
E
Not
company
country,
has
to
say
to
the
other
country
yo,
I'm
the
u.s.
This
company
is
going
to
ship
you,
a
shipping
container
in
that
country,
say
malaysia
has
to
say
right
on
we'll
take
it,
and
if
you
don't
follow
that
protocol,
malaysia
has
every
right
to
send
it
back,
because
the
united
states
is
not
party
to
the
basel
convention.
The
united
states
is
not
even
supposed
to
be
shipping
waste
at
all
to
malaysia
or
other
countries
that
are
party
to
the
basel
convention,
because
we
haven't
ratified
it.
E
We're
only
supposed
to
send
waste
to
other
oecd
countries
now,
of
course,
we
can
send
it
to
canada,
and
then
canada
sends
it
to
malaysia,
which
is
unfortunately
often
what
happens,
but
so
there's
you
know
this,
this
stuff
sort
of
just
it's
like
a
game
of
hot
potato.
It
changes
hands,
nobody
wants
it.
E
These
are
behind
closed
doors.
It
makes
the
front
page
of
the
new
york
times
when
we
discovered
that
that
the
united
states
was
trying
to
negotiate
back
door
with
kenya
it.
It
doesn't
make
the
front
page
of
the
new
york
times
unless
it's
a
big
deal
and
and
that's
what
we've
got
to
actually
that's
what
we've
got
to
be
keeping
track
of.
So
I'm
sorry
to
be
like
right
off
the
bat,
but
I'm
not
actually
here
today
to
talk
about
plastics.
A
I
wait
jane,
I
am
going
to
introduce
you
and
I
think
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
get
started,
and
I
can
tell
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
fantastic
presentation
already
just
by
your
energy
and
your
knowledge.
So
let
me
just
quickly
for
everybody,
jane
pattons
he's
a
senior
campaigner
with
the
center
for
international
environmental
law
and
a
co-founder
of
a
local
zero-waste
group,
no
waste
louisiana.
A
E
Hello,
so
I
heard
roger
describe
me
as
an
organizer
before
I
was
actually
able
to
get
back
to
my
house,
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
hallmark
of
organizers
or
what,
but
I
think
we
always
get
really
uncomfortably
being
called
organizers,
because
it
just
feels
like
that.
Work
is
so
hard
and
nebulous,
and
you
can
never
just
like
check
a
box
and
say
I've
done
this.
E
It
is
done
it's
just
a
constant
sort
of
relationship
building
and
talking
to
people
and
having
conversations
like
this,
and
I
also
have
to
be
totally
frank-
that
in
the
conversations
that
I
had
with
roger
and
dan
via
email,
which
were
fairly
light
over
the
last
couple
months,
we
had
been
talking
about
sort
of
two
different
strains
of
thought.
We've
been
talking
about
plastics
and
we've
been
talking
about
carbon
capture
and
storage,
which
are
not
separate
issues.
E
So
I
do
actually
have
a
presentation
that
I'm
going
to
give
to
you
guys
and
we're
going
to
try
to
go
through
it
fairly
quickly,
so
that
we
can
get
all
of
it
together
and
if
you
give
me
two
seconds,
I'm
just
going
to
make
sure
I
have
one
slide
in
there
that
I
want
to
add
in
since,
like
I
said,
I
wasn't
entirely
planning
on
talking
about
plastics,
but
that
is
okay.
We're
gonna
make
this
work.
E
This
is
what
doing
these
presentations
over
and
over
again
gets
you
to
a
point
where
you
can
think
on
your
feet
and
make
stuff
happen.
So
that's
what
we're
gonna
do
so,
as
dan
mentioned.
I
actually
am
now
as
of
last
week,
campaign
manager
at
the
center
for
international
environmental
law
for
plastics
and
petrochemicals.
My
work
actually
focuses
on
two
different
pieces
of
the
plastic
sort
of
the
the
focus
on
on
addressing
plastics
globally.
E
I
focus
on
the
petrochemical
build
out
here
in
the
united
states
on
stopping
that
build
out
and
how
that
relates
to
the
petrochemical,
build
out
in
the
rest
of
the
world,
and
I
actually
work
at
the
united
nations
on.
We
are
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
a
new
treaty
that
addresses
plastics
and
plastic
pollution.
E
So
my
work
takes
me
hyper
local
to
stuff
like
what
happened
this
morning
with
the
rye
st
james
event,
and
I
get
to
travel
all
over
the
world
to
talk
about
stuff
at
the
un,
which
is
actually
kind
of
an
amazing
thing
for
somebody
who
grew
up
in
baton,
rouge
and
lives
with
my
little
family
in
new
orleans,
and
I
got
this
job
through
the
internet.
So
if
you're
still
job
searching
and
you're
young,
just
a
plug
to
take
chances,
amazing
things
can
happen.
E
So,
let's
talk
about
plastics,
as
you
all
probably
know,
because
you're
from
texas,
99
of
plastics,
are
derived
from
fossil
fuels.
They're
made
out
of
oil
they're
made
out
of
gas
and
they're,
not
just
made
out
of
oil
and
gas,
but
they
are
not
anonymously
made
right
the
same
companies
that
are
big
name:
oil
and
gas
companies,
chevron,
exxon
mobil,
shell,
total
cinepec.
E
These
are
also
plastics
manufacturing
companies,
which
means
the
same
companies
that
are
catching
flack
for
the
climate
problem
are
also
the
companies
that
need
to
catch
flack
for
the
plastics
problem
and
since
99
of
plastics
are
made
out
of
fossil
fuels.
That
also
means
that
plastics
are
a
climate
problem,
so
let's
go
through
and
do
just
a
very
quick
sort
of
plastics,
101
right
you're
going
to
work.
For
me,
great
okay,
as
I
mentioned,
plastic's
made
out
of
oil
and
gas,
and
not
just
made
of
oil
and
gas.
E
It's
made
out
of
the
trash
from
the
oil
and
gas
refining
process
right.
It
is
made
out
of
the
natural
gas
liquids,
which
is
what
they
they
siphon
off
the
oil
and
gas.
They
want
the
methane,
they
want
the
petroleum
and
they
make
the
plastics
out
of
nafsa
and
natural
gas
liquids,
which
is
a
fancy
way
of
saying
plastics.
E
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
heard
the
the
statistic-
and
this
is
sort
of
related
to
patricia
petruccio's
a
question
from
a
minute
ago,
which
is
that
only
about
nine
percent
of
plastics
annually
are
recycled.
That
is
worldwide.
That
is
also
true.
In
the
united
states,
the
united
states,
recycle
rate
is
not
better
than
the
rest
of
the
world.
In
fact,
europe
has
the
highest
recycling
rate
and
they're
still
not
great,
so
nine
percent
of
class
are
being
recycled,
most
of
them
actually
end
up
in
the
environment.
E
E
40
of
it
is
loose
in
the
environment
and
almost
50
of
the
plastic
waste
that
we
encounter
in
the
environment
is
used
for
single-use
packaging,
which
is
why,
when
you
ask
me,
is
it
good
that
coca-cola
is
trying
to
take
on
this
challenge?
My
answer
is
like
what
is
good.
What
do
we
mean
by
good
right
and
at
the
if
you
guys,
have
been
paying
attention
to
any
of
the
conversation
about
plastics?
E
All
of
that
imagery
indoctrinates
us
to
think
that
the
problem
with
plastics
is
marine,
that
the
problem
with
plastics
is
that
they
are
trash
in
the
ocean,
not
that
they
are
like
problematic
in
and
of
themselves
because
they
exist,
but
because
they
are
in
the
ocean
right.
But
let's
do
a
little
bit
of
math.
They
actually
now
estimate
that,
somewhere
between
10
and
25
million
tons
million
tons
of
plastic
between
10
and
25
million
tons
of
plastic
is
going
into
the
ocean
every
year.
E
E
You
know
I
just
came
from
an
event
and
and
and
dan
I
think
roger
mentioned
this
earlier
in
the
heart
of
cancer
alley
right.
I
mentioned
that
I
grew
up
in
baton
rouge.
I
live
in
new
orleans,
which
essentially
means
I've
spent
almost
my
entire
life
at
either
end
of
this
stretch.
This
85
mile
stretch
between
baton
rouge
and
new
orleans.
They
call
cancer
alley
yo.
That
is
not
the
definition
of
cancer
alley
anymore.
E
E
E
The
things
they
are
permitted
by
the
government
to
put
into
the
air
are
toxic.
They
are
permitted
by
the
government
to
put
ethylene
oxide
into
the
air.
They
are
permitted
by
the
government
to
put
benzenes
into
the
air
to
release
a
particulate
matter
pm
2.5
into
the
air.
All
three
of
those
materials
cause
significant
lung
damage,
significant
respiratory
infect
effects,
limited
fertility
delayed
or
in
sometimes
a
dangerously
advanced
development
in
children.
E
Any
time
we
have
gone
close
to
these
petrochemical
plants,
I'm
sure,
if
any
of
you
guys
have
taken
a
toxic
tour,
you
have
encountered
how
nauseated
that
that
the
smell
in
the
air-
that's
the
ethylene
oxide
that
you're
smelling
and
the
government
has
told
them.
It
is
okay
for
them
to
put
that
in
the
air,
something
else
the
government
has
permitted
them
to
do
and
continues
to
permit
these
companies
to
do
is
to
dump
carbon
dioxide
in
the
air.
E
So
let's
talk
about
co2,
so
this
is
a
map
of
it
doesn't
show
scale
yet,
but
this
is
a
map
of
of
co2,
essentially
emission
hot
spots
around
the
country.
This
map
is
actually
part
of
several
pieces
of
research,
carbon
capture
and
storage.
I
I
read
something
the
other
day
that
noted
that
it
is
notable
for
having
the
highest
ratio
of
research
papers
to
actual
deployment,
which
means
there
are
more
people
studying
the
theory
of
carbon
capture.
E
Then
there
are
actual
real-life
deployments
of
this
stuff
and
we're
going
to
get
into
the
details
of
why
that
is.
But
this
is
a
presentation
by
some
of
those
researchers
talking
about.
Theoretically,
if
we
were
going
to
capture
carbon,
where
would
it
go?
You
see
those
arrows
that
are
all
pointing
down
to
texas
and
louisiana.
E
That's
because
they
want
to
bring
the
entire
country's
carbon
emissions
into
texas
and
louisiana
for
storage.
They
also
want
to
take
the
carbon
emissions
that
are
coming
out
of
texas
and
louisiana,
because
we
have
quite
a
lot
and
they
want
to
store
them
underground.
Instead
of
reducing
the
emissions
they
want
to
theoretically
capture
them
and
store
them
underground,
and
this
is
from
another
report
and
the
reason
why
there
are
so
many
reports.
E
The
reason
why
there's
so
much
research
and
they're
so
pretty
and
he's
got
these
real
nice
maps
with
these
little
colors
circles
on
them.
It's
because
there
is
an
increasing
amount
of
money
and
propaganda
around
using
carbon
capture
and
storage
for
industrial
emissions.
There
is
an
awful
lot
of
moneyed
interest
in
convincing
people
that
this
is
a
viable
solution
and
that
it
is
okay
and
that
it
is
safe,
and
none
of
that
is
true
and
they
can't
prove
any
of
it.
E
Let's
take
a
close
look
at
texas
right,
quick
proponents
of
carbon
capture
and
storage
envision,
a
massive
new
network
of
co2
pipelines
across
the
country,
but
particularly
in
texas
and
louisiana
to
transport
carbon
capture
down
here
for
either
enhanced
oil
recovery,
which
is
a
fancy
way
of
saying,
basically
forcing
oil
out
of
the
ground
with
carbon,
which
my
boss
says:
I'm
not
allowed
to
call
fracking
for
card
fracking
with
carbon,
but
I
don't
know
how
else
you're
supposed
to
describe
that.
So
don't
tell
them.
E
At
present,
there
are
about
5
000
miles
of
co2
pipelines
in
the
united
states.
You'll
see,
there's
a
concentration
of
them
in
west
texas
in
the
permian,
see
carbon
capturing
storage
proponents.
Imagine
expanding
that
number
to
25
000
miles
by
2050
and
shifting
those
pipelines
from
remote
fields
to
heavily
populated
areas
throughout
the
country
and
particularly
texas.
E
This
is
a
picture
of
what
the
pipeline
infrastructure
already
looks
like
in
texas
and
louisiana
and
y'all.
They
can't
just
put
co2
through
a
natural
gas
pipeline.
They
have
to
build
a
new
kind
of
pipeline
to
run
the
co2
through
co2
has
to
be
kept
at
extremely
high
pressure
and
extremely
cold
temperatures
in
order
for
it
to
be
trans
transported
through
a
pipeline
which
requires
a
huge
amount
of
energy,
but
which
also
requires
a
pipeline
that
has
different
literally
tensile
strength.
You
have
to
use
different
kind
of
steel,
it
has
to
be
a
different
size.
E
You
can't
just
repurpose
a
natural
gas
pipeline.
You
got
to
rip
those
suckers
up
and
build
new
ones
or
leave
the
pipelines
where
they
are
and
build
new
ones
next
to
them.
So
if
you
thought
you
had
a
lot
of
pipelines
in
texas,
wait
until
they
actually
build
out
their
entire
theorized
carbon
capture
infrastructure
and
the
reason
why
we
shouldn't
wait
for
that.
E
It's
because
the
the
build
out
of
carbon
capture
and
storage,
and
particularly
pipelines
that
they
want
to
do,
is
wildly
unrealistic,
princeton,
the
university
of
princeton
or
princeton
university,
whichever
one
has
actually
been
one
of
the
leading
researchers
in
this
overwhelming
amount
of
research
that
about
carbon
capture
and
storage,
and
they
have
been
really
pushing
a
massive
build
out
of
co2.
They
have
this
report
called
net
zero
america.
That
is,
you
know,
being
presented
all
over
the
place
and
what
they
say
is
like.
E
E
Then
we've
built
to
move
oil
and
gas
in
the
last
hundred
years.
It
took
us
a
century
to
build
out
the
nation's
current
oil
and
gas
movement
infrastructure
that
you're
looking
at
on
this
map.
They
want
to
build
enough
capacity
to
move
the
same
amount
of
co2
and
they
essentially
are
telling
us
we
can
do
it
in
25
years
y'all.
That
is
wildly
unrealistic,
and
on
top
of
that,
let's
actually
go
through
some
numbers
right.
So
I'm
telling
you
oh
it's
unrealistic,
but
what
am
I
actually
saying
so?
E
The
first
thing
that
I
want
to
drive
home
is
that
the
ipcc
pathway
for
the
the
best
pathway
for
staying
below
one
and
a
half
degrees
warming
makes
limited
to
no
use
of
carbon
capture
and
storage.
It
actually
specifically
warns
against
over
reliance
on
on
ccs,
because
it's
still
a
theoretical
technology,
not
only
that
this
by
their
own
admission
by
the
industry's
own
scientists
and
admission
less
than
eight
percent
of
all
industrial
emissions
are
viable
for
carbon
capture.
E
They
want
carbon
capture
and
storage
to
be
the
solution
on
less
than
eight
percent
of
all
of
the
emissions
and
they're,
not
even
talking
about
other
solutions,
not
only
that
as
of
right
now,
more
than
eighty
percent
of
all
existing
carbon
capture
capacity
is
for
enhanced
oil
recovery.
It's
for
that
fracking
with
carbon
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
not
for
storage
and
again
more
than
80,
of
those
tax
credits.
We
hear
about
the
45
q.
E
E
Okay,
I'm
gonna
and
I'm
also
gonna
share
my
sound,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
make
this
work.
This
is
a
short
video,
but
it
gets
real
loud
in
the
middle
of
it.
So
if
you're,
if
you're,
not
that,
I
think
your
your
microphone
was
already
turned
up
way
loud,
considering
how
loud
I
am
but
be
ready
for
this
video.
Let's
watch
it.
Video.
F
B
E
E
We
know
that
it's
not
likely
to
reduce
emissions,
and
we
know
that
most
carbon
capture
and
storage
benefits
polluters,
and
when
those
pipelines
fail,
they
will
release
co2,
which
is
a
misfixient
at
extremely
high
pressure
and
very
low
temperatures.
Usually
those
pipelines
are
also
carrying
hydrogen
sulfide,
which
is
not
only
corrosive
to
the
pipeline.
E
It
is
also
a
dangerous
asphyxians
and
the
people
of
yazoo
county
mississippi
know
that
story
well,
because
last
year
they
had
a
pipeline
fail
and
it
ruptured
and
literally
first
responders
on
the
scene,
described
the
local
people,
300
of
whom
had
to
be
evacuated
as
walking
around
like
zombies.
They
were
foaming
at
the
mouth.
E
E
This
is
a
map
of
their
envisioned
pipeline
map.
Look
at
that.
It
goes
right
through
new
orleans,
baton,
rouge
lake,
charles
beaumont,
port,
galveston,
houston,
all
the
way
down
to
corpus,
christi
and
brownsville.
That
is
terrifying,
that
they
want
to
put
these
things
close
to
people,
not
only
that
they
will
these.
These
companies
will
not
be
the
future
of
our
economy.
E
Right
now,
the
oil
and
gas
companies
are
seeing
demand
for
their
products
is
really
going
down
right.
We're
having
this
climate.
Finally,
we're
having
this
like
climate
reality
check.
That
was
a
pun,
and
we
are
finally
having
a
moment
where
people
are
identifying
that
maybe
burning
fossil
fuels
is
a
bad
idea,
so
these
companies
are
actually
seeing
plastics,
petrochemicals
fertilizers,
pesticides
as
their
future
for
profit
making,
but
actually
both
before
during
and
after
the
pandemic,
those
parts
of
the
economy,
oil
and
gas
is
the
red
bar.
You
see
on
the
left
here.
E
E
E
We
have
our
friends
our
neighbors,
our
my
brother-in-law,
just
found
out
that
his
job
at
shell
in
deer
park
outside
of
houston
is
in
doubt
his
pension
is
in
doubt
at
almost
60
years
old,
because
they're
selling
the
plant
out
from
underneath
him
after
they
made
him
a
promise
15
years
ago
when
he
came
into
that
company.
This
is
what
people
are
facing
and
still
the
climate.
E
They
are
almost
all
men.
They
are
mostly
white
people
in
a
state
that
is
nearly
50
non-white
and
they
are
vastly
overpopulated
by
industry
and
nonprofit
representatives
who
are
openly
advocating
for
carbon
capture
and
storage
as
the
climate
solution
and
being
dismissive
of
other
climate
solutions.
They
are
finally
thank
god
after
a
meeting
two
weeks
ago,
getting
a
real
reality
check
about
that
and
realizing
that
that
our
best
pathway
to
averting
climate
disaster
is
rapid
electrification
using
renewable
energy.
E
But
that
took
hard
hard,
hard,
hard
work
by
advocates
to
get
them
there
and,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
based
on
my
research
yesterday,
texas
has
no
such
task
force,
so
I
hope
that
you
will
get
one
and
then
we
can
also
tell
this
story
to
them,
because
the
climate
policy
conversation
continues
to
be
focused
on
the
wrong
thing.
We've
been
pushing
for
things
like
the
clean
future
act,
the
clean
energy
act,
a
renewable
portfolio
standard
at
the
national
level
and
instead,
what
we've
got
supported
by
congress.
E
People
from
both
texas
and
louisiana
is
the
scale
act
which
is
basically
the
storing
co2
and
lowering
emissions
act,
which
is
basically
a
giveaway
to
fossil
fuel
companies.
It
is
a
gift
to
the
very
companies
that
have
caused
this
problem
and
it
really
is
focusing
on
you
know
it's
putting
band-aids
on
a
freaking
like
open
heart
wound.
It's
like
it's
not
even
close
to
addressing
the
problem
that
we've
got
to
bring
together
here
and
what
we
have
to
focus
on
now
is
reducing
emissions.
E
E
Literally
every
single
day
that
we
continue
pumping
carbon
into
the
atmosphere
is
a
problem
and
not
least
of
which
is
because
when
we
talk
about
reducing
emissions,
we
have
to
be
talking
about
reducing
all
emissions,
not
just
carbon.
Recent
studies
that
have
come
out
in
the
last
year
have
shown
that
fossil
fuel
emissions
other
than
carbon
contribute
to
10.2
million
excess
deaths
a
year,
and
that
number
is
from
10
years
ago.
E
E
This
is
the
very
real
cost
of
what
these
admissions
mean
to
people
in
louisiana
and
in
texas,
and
so
it's
up
to
us
they're
not
going
to
do
this
on
their
own
they're,
not
going
to
change
this.
You
know
this
is
this.
Is
a
texas
and
louisiana
are
two
of
the
most
captured
states
in
the
corporate
captured
states
in
the
country?
We've
got
to
make
them
change.
E
We
have
to
make
them
focus
on
what
the
gulf's
people
actually
need
and
if
you
all
haven't
heard
about
the
gulf
south
for
a
green
new
deal
project
come
on
in
because
if
there's
one
thing,
the
ghost
after
a
green
deal
project
teaches
you
it's
all
power
to
all
the
people
and
that
the
companies
that
got
us
into
this
mess
and
y'all
the
governments
that
got
us
into
this
mess
will
not
get
us
out
of
it.
We
are
going
to
get
us
out
of
this
mess.
We
are
meeting
once
a
month.
E
E
What
climate
reality
is
doing
is
awesome
and
we've
got
to
be
part
of
a
big
big
big
movement
and
just
like
our
work
on
climate
and
our
work
on
not
just
the
amount
of
parts
per
million
of
carbon
in
the
atmosphere,
but
our
work
on
undoing
the
system
that
got
us
here
has
to
be
about
numbers.
It
has
to
be
about
power
to
the
people.
E
The
global
movement
about
against
plastics
is
also
about
numbers
and
is
also
about
power
to
the
people,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
take
away
this
message,
which
is
to
stop
plastic
pollution,
stop
making
plastic
to
stop
putting
carbon
in
the
atmosphere.
Y'all
stop
putting
carbon
in
the
atmosphere.
Excuse
my
language
and
with
that
is
actually
the
end
of
my
presentation,
and
now
we
can
do.
C
Questions
I
I
want
to.
I
want
to
take
credit
for
inviting
jane
patton
to
speak
to
this
chapter.
I
met
her
in
the
plastics
group.
We
had
a
little.
We
had
a
little
chit
chat
back
and
forth
about
a
couple
issues,
and
I
said,
oh,
my
god.
If
we
can
get
this
woman
in
front
of
the
chapter
she's
going
to
set
the
chapter
on
fire
and
jane,
you
bring
it
every
bit
as
much
as
I
knew
you
would.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
This
was
fair
I'll,
shut
up.
People
ask
questions.
E
E
I
am
happy
to
throw
this
into
a
pdf
and
send
it
over
to
you
guys
that
is
totally
fine.
A
lot
of
the
stuff.
That's
in
here
actually
I'll,
send
you
as
a
powerpoint,
because
the
my
my
speaker
notes
actually
have
the
sources
and
hyperlinks
to
all
the
places
where
I
got
the
pictures
and
the
information
from
so.
C
E
G
E
B
B
E
There's,
like
I
said,
there's
about
5
000
miles
of
co2
pipeline
that
currently
exists
mostly
there
in
texas
and
wyoming,
like
west
texas,
in
the
permian
field,
where
nobody
where's,
not
a
lot
of
people
live
and
the
the
stuff
that
does
exist
is
not
part
of
a
national
highway.
It's
not
part
of
a
nationally
connected
thing.
It
really
is
just
sort
of
theoretical,
essentially
pilot
programs,
but
any
place
where
they've
actually
tried
to
deploy
carbon
capture
and
storage
is
still
very
much
in
the
pilot
stage.
E
It's
it's
the
big,
it's
the
the
actually,
mostly
it's
the
industries
that
are
hard
to
to
electrify
right,
it's
it's
the
cement
and
steel
and
plastics,
and
some
of
the
the
petrochemicals
industries,
and
it's
some
of
the
you
know
smaller,
not
necessarily
exxon
or
chevron,
but
some
of
the
smaller
shops,
because
we
have
such
a
decentralized
oil
and
gas
system.
Here
it's
a
lot
of
the
smaller
shops
and
there's
quite
a
few
of
them
so
john.
To
get
to
your
question
about
this,
the
the
build
out
it
actually
doesn't
it.
E
E
You
probably
do
have
a
couple
locations
in
the
permian
that
you
can
go
protest,
that
there
are
some
co2
pipelines,
I'm
never
going
to
advise
that
anybody
put
their
body
next
to
a
co2
pipeline.
Let
me
be
totally
real
because
those
things
are
scary,
but
the
there
are
some
facilities
that
I
think
you
can
protest
but,
like
I
said
they're
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
in
west
texas,
where
it's
real
hot,
but
that's
I
mean,
if
you
all
want
to
you,
can
I
think
there
are
people
in
the
park.
E
I
mean
there's
not
a
lot
of
people
in
the
permian,
so
it's
actually
quite
difficult
to
organize
with
folks
there.
But
if
y'all
are
not
members
of
the
permian
gulf
coast
coalition,
it's
actually
a
group
of
people
across
louisiana,
texas
and
eastern
new
mexico
that
are
organizing
around
this
stuff
that
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
you
to
go
out
there
with
john.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
address
some
other
folks
questions
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you,
because
we've
got
quite
a
few.
E
Some
of
it
is
about
carbon
capture,
and
some
of
it
is
about
plastics,
so
I'm
seeing
yeah
thanks.
So
I'm
seeing
some
comments
here
around
clean
energy
jobs
and
then
kelly
has
a
question.
I've
read
that
carbon
capture
is
one
of
the
innovative
energy
technologies.
The
american
jobs
plan
would
support
in
texas.
That
is
true.
The
biden
administration
right
now
appears
to
be
in
favor
of
carbon
capture
and
storage,
because
it
is
included
in
the
american
jobs
plan.
We
have
not
actually
seen
their
leaders
like
say.
E
Yes,
we
support
carbon
capture
and
storage,
but
neither
have
we
seen
them
say
that
they
don't
and
they're.
Actually,
the
department
of
energy
continues
to
announce
like
new
funding
opportunities
for
carbon
capture
and
storage
for
pilot
programs
of
various
types.
So
a
lot
of
the
government's
money
is
actually
going
to
funding
carbon
capture
and
storage.
E
When
that
money
should
be
going
to,
you
know
making
sure
people
have
housing
food,
maybe
some
renewable
energy
and
instead
they're
like
let
me
throw
the
money
at
this
theoretical
technology
that
and
then
complain
that
no
one
shows
up
to
my
meetings,
which
is
my
favorite
thing
about
the
government
when
they
don't
make
sure
people
have
housing
and
they
hold
12
hours
of
meetings
all
during
business
hours
and
that
nobody's
there
anyway.
Sorry,
I'm
not
bitter
about
this
with
louisiana
government
at
all.
E
E
I'm
not
telling
you
not
to
put
it
in
the
recycle
bin.
I
have
a
forced
separation
of
waste.
In
my
house,
we
put
plastics
recycling
in
one
container,
we
put
other
kinds
of
recycling
in
another
container.
We
have
compost,
we
have
to
have
separate
glass
recycling
because
they
don't
pick
that
up
curbside
and
there's
a
lot
of
glass,
mostly
wine
bottles.
That
goes
to
my
house,
and
then
we
have
the
stuff
that
actually
goes
directly
into
the
landfill
that
that
separation
of
recycle
of
of
waste
is
important,
and
we
should
do
it.
E
Not
everybody
has
the
intricate
knowledge
and
understandings
of
which
plastics
go
in
the
recycle
bin
and
which
plastics
don't,
and
I
am
not
asking
for
all
350
million
people
in
the
united
states
and
seven
and
a
half
billion
people
on
the
planet
to
know
the
difference
between
plastics
number
one
and
plastics
number
six
and
the
fact
that
coca-cola
expects
us
to
know.
That
is
ridiculous.
E
E
Is
us
really
meaningfully,
like
I
said,
pushing
for
refillable
and
reusable
options
that
are
not
single
use
and
for
us
doing
things
like
making
sure
that
our
cities
have
clean
public
water
systems,
because
I
can't
tell
people
to
bring
their
own
bottle
if
they
can't
drink
the
water
at
all,
and
so
we
have
to
also
make
sure
that
water
systems
are
clean.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
there
are
reusable
and
refillable
systems
that
are
equitable
and
available
to
everybody.
It
can't
just
be
the
organic
co-op.
E
That's
walkable
from
your
house
that
has
the
bulk
stuff
and
refillable.
I
say
that
as
someone
who
has
an
organic
co-op,
that's
walkable
for
my
house
and
I'm
a
member,
but
that
can't
be
the
only
bulk
option.
It
can't
be
the
only
option
for
package
free,
because
if
only
wealthy
people
and
let's,
let's
be
real,
mostly
white,
wealthy
people
have
access
to
it.
That
is
not
a
solution,
and
so
we've
also
got
to
figure
out.
How
are
we
building
this
in
this
system-wide
way?
E
And,
yes,
I
will
put
my
contact
information
in
the
chat.
Sorry,
chip
we're
almost
there.
I
swear
to
god,
the.
I
think
I
already
answered
the
largest
proponents
of
carbon
capture
question,
but
I
think
exxon
and
chevron
are
less
loud
about
it,
but
they're
still
promoting
it
and
they're
still
investing
in
it
as
a
solution,
but
actually
the
loudest
people
we
hear
about.
It
is
government
and
academia
because
government
doesn't
want
to
have
to
like
tell
hard
truths.
E
E
It's
a
fine,
we're
going
to
build
you
a
pipeline
and
that's
just
not
a
solution,
and
they
who
are
they
that
is
present,
proposing
the
pipeline
again,
mostly,
that
is
oil
and
gas
funded
academic
institutions.
I
think
it
was
the
great
plains
institute
that
one
of
those
maps
was
from
the
rocky
mountain
institute
is
another
one.
Doesn't
that
sound,
so
nice
great
planes
rocky
mountain?
E
F
Okay,
thanks
jane-
and
I
I
love
you,
I'm
from
baton
rouge
and
I
I've
respected
you
and
your
work
and
that
acl.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
add
a
little
nuance,
because
I
do
think
as
an
advocacy
matter
with
all
due
respect.
I
think
you
have
overstated
some
of
the
points
that
may
be
problematic
as
we
give
presentations
to
different
groups
that
are
we're
trying
to
bring
on
board.
For
example,
the
point
you
just
made
about
governments
and
and
all
of
exxon
mobil
is
bad.
F
Yes,
they
are,
but
there
are
internal
agents
within
exxon
mobil
that
are
trying
to
get
them
to
be
less
bad
right
now,
all
the
carbon
majors
are
still
investing,
including
bp
and
shell,
as
well
that
you
haven't
mentioned
in
carbon
capture
and
storage.
I
think
the
point
is,
and
this
is
the
key
point
that
people
should
take
away.
It's
not
a
panacea,
it's
not
the
solution,
but
there
is
no
harm,
in
my
opinion,
in
encouraging
continued
investment.
So
long
as
we
continue
to
make
a
point,
it's
not
a
panacea.
F
Just
like
direct
air
capture,
which
will
be,
I
think,
an
important
part
of
the
solution
if
things
continue
to
get
out
of
control
as
we
as
they
are
likely
to
get
out
of
control
because
we're
not
making
progress
on
the
timeline
absolutely
required,
especially
for
the
difficult
industries
like
cement
and
steel,
the
building
industry,
which
is
what
is
it
42
percent
of
emissions?
I
mean
and
transportation
related.
You
know
these
are
kind
of
integrated
industrial
problems.
F
So,
as
a
matter
of
advocacy,
I
personally
think
that
the
climate
reality
chapter
this
organization,
which
is
kind
of
a
middle
of
the
road
organization.
Of
course,
we
are,
you
know
for
the
primary
you
know,
advocacy
must
be
directed
at
reducing
emissions,
but
the
governmental
entities
like
the
council
of
europe,
for
example,
that
are
still
supporting
carbon
carbon
capture
and
storage.
F
I
don't
think
they're
wrong
to
do
that
as
part
of
the
future
solutions
so
long
as
they
recognize
that
the
problems
you
say
exist,
which
is
that
these
aren't
ready
for
prime
time
they
are
years
away.
They're
not
going
to
be
helpful
in
the
next
eight
or
nine
years
of
action
where
we
need
much
more
aggressive
action.
F
That's
clearly
a
truth
that
we
need
to
speak
truth
to
power,
but
when
it
comes
to
these
more
complicated
to
understand
technologies,
I
think
we
need
to
recognize,
as
advocates
that
we
don't
have
all
the
answers.
The
technologies
are
developing
and
it's
actually
a
damn
good
thing:
that
the
climate
action
100
group
of
investors
and
these
big
companies
and
there's
this
huge
shift
of
big
capital.
F
Contrary
to
what
was
said
in
the
chat
toward
action
on
this
under
the
rubric
of
esg
in
the
last
two
to
three
years,
that
is
essential
and
sometimes
they
get
in
because
they're
investing
in
ccs
at
first.
But
then
they
realize
the
scope
of
the
problem
and
the
fact
that
they
and
everyone
they
care
for
is
at
risk
of
dying
in
the
near
to
medium
term
and
that
the
direct
effects
are
already
here
in
places
like
the
us.
F
So
they
can't
any
longer
say
well,
it's
just
happening
in
developing
countries
where
the
poor
are
at
the
hardest.
We're
going
to
be
okay
because
we're
in
a
rich
white
you
know
industrial
civilization,
whatever,
which
is
what
they
are
still
saying
a
lot
of
times.
But
it's
it's
vital.
I
think,
to
get
these
powerful
business
investor
and
government
actors
on
board
with
us
so
that
we
have
a
panoply,
not
I'm
not
saying
in
any
way
or
defending
the
all
solutions
are
part
of
it,
including
you
know,
fracking,
and
I'm
not
saying
that.
F
I
I
strongly
am
against
that,
but
I
am
saying
when
it
comes
to
these
technologies,
especially
with
the
audiences
that
we
sometimes
must
talk
to,
to
move
the
needle
on
legislation
in
this
country.
We
have
to
be
nuanced
and
we
have
to
meet
them
where
they're
coming
from,
and
that
includes
recognizing
that
we
don't
have
all
the
answers
about
these
new
technologies
that
they
are
things
that
yes
can
be
invested
in,
but
they're
not
going
to
solve
the
problem
near
term,
where
we
must
have
more
urgency
policy
law
solutions.
That's
my
pitch
and
I'll.
E
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
what
policy
conversations
you're
in
where
anybody
is
talking
about
any
solutions
other
than
carbon
capture
and
storage,
because
I've
been
in
every
single
one
of
these
conversations
in
louisiana.
I've
been
in
several
of
them
in
texas,
I've
been
in
a
number
of
them
at
the
federal
level
and
the
only
climate
solution
that
has
any
real
policy
traction
right
now
is
one
that
is
going
to
result
in
the
deaths
and
risks
of
thousands
and
possibly
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people.
So
when
you
talk
about
extremes,
call
me
crazy.
E
I
think
it
is
more
extreme
to
build
a
dangerous
unpredictable
pipeline
through
a
neighborhood
than
it
is
to
say
that
exxonmobil
is
hurting
us.
I
don't
think
that
one
of
those
is
not
an
extreme,
and
yet
one
of
them
is
what
I'm
saying,
and
one
of
them
is
what
exxonmobil
is
trying
to
do,
and
I
keep
saying
exxon
because
it
is
the
most
recognizable
but
you're
right.
Bp,
shell
they're,
also
trying
to
do
this,
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
hit
on
that.
E
I
didn't
hurt
them
as
much
as
I
could
it's,
partly
because
you're
recording
me
and
my
husband's
salary
is
paid
for
by
grant
from
shell.
So
if
you
don't
think,
I
understand
the
risk
that
we
are
putting
forth
here,
because
the
only
reason
my
mortgage
gets
paid
is
because
I
don't
try
to
hit
too
hard
on
shell
and
thus
is
the
nature
of
actually
living
in
south
louisiana
and
doing
this
work.
E
You
said
at
the
top
of
your
comment
ship
that
there
is
no
harm
in
in
investing
in
carbon
capture
and
storage,
and
I
just
have
to
stand
up
and
say:
that's
not
true.
If
we
are
throwing
millions
and
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
at
a
technology,
we
know
off
the
top,
doesn't
work
and
puts
people
at
risk.
Carbon
capture
is
not
new
technology,
it
has
been
around
since
the
1970s.
E
You
all
know
it
by
another
because
it
used
to
be
called
clean
coal
and
it
didn't
work
when
they
were
calling
it
clean
coal,
and
it
doesn't
work
now
for
plastics
and
cement,
and
if
we
are
throwing
millions
of
dollars
at
an
experimental
technology
that
we
already
know
does
not
work.
That
is
millions
of
dollars
that
we
could
be
using
to
massively
and
rapidly
rapidly
electrify
everything
using
renewable
energy.
Now
for
a
technology,
that's
not
theoretical!
That's
not
30
years
down
the
road
and
that
isn't
going
to
kill
anybody
now,
I'm
concerned.
E
Also,
you
know,
making
solar
panels
is
not
zero.
Emission
making
solar
panels
does
not
have
zero
harm
right.
They
just
we
hear
a
lot
of
talk
about
how
their
governments
they
get
overthrown
in
other
parts
of
the
world
in
search
of
lithium,
like
I'm,
not
naive
about
the
dynamics
that
are
at
play
in
this,
I'm
also
not
naive
about
the
fact
that
exxon
almost
successfully
staged
a
coup
in
guyana
over
the
oil
reserve
off
the
coast
there.
There
are
things
at
play
here
that
these
companies
are
continuing
to
seek
out
new
oil
and
gas
reserves.
E
F
Well,
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
we're
not
engaging
sorry
violent
civil
obedience,
for
example.
We
are
engaged
in
I'd,
say
center
left,
but
I
would
also
characterize
it
as
science-based
fact-based
advocacy.
So
we
need
to
be
scrupulously
fact-based
in
everything
we
say
for
you
to
dismiss
ccs
as
a
technology
that
doesn't
work.
I
think
that's
an
overstatement.
F
It
doesn't
work
yet
at
scale.
There
are
risks
to
it
like
I
think.
Geoengineering
is
a
truly
risky
technology
that
we
we
know
enough
now
to
avoid
based
on
all
the
science
we've
seen,
but
it's
there.
The
scale
of
the
problem
is
so
serious.
We
can't
afford
to
assume
that
we
will
be
successful
enough
in
the
next
nine
years,
eight
years
almost
and
a
couple
of
months
growing
and
growing
to
solve
the
problem,
so
we
as
an
ex
existentialism
for
humanity.
We
cannot
assume
that
we
have
all
the
answers.
F
We
need
to
hedge
our
bets
in
ways
that
are
fact-based
and
intelligent
and,
like
I
read
bill
gates
recent
book
and
I
didn't
recommend
it
to
our
book
group,
because
it's
too
utopian
about
a
lot
of
these
technologies
and
the
time
frame,
in
my
opinion,
into
which
they'll
comfort
for
fruition,
but
for
people
interested
in
the
the
long
list
of
technologies,
I
would
listen
to
them.
I
would
listen
to
the
vcs
and
the
investors
that
are
considering
these
and
I
I'm
you
know,
I'm
telling
them
to
their
face.
F
That's
not
going
to
work.
We
need
abc
before
we
need
those
xyz
technologies,
because
abc
will
get
the
job
done
in
the
in
the
next
decade,
which
is
crucial,
but
you
know
the
problem
may
be
so
bad
and
it
is
already
pretty
bad
where
we
do
not
have
yet
solutions
of
scale
for
the
the
building
sector,
cement
steel,
which
is
such
a
huge
contributor
to
emissions,
that
we
must
continue
to
explore
other
options
and
and
by
the
way
we
can't.
F
E
I'm
not
getting
into
it,
I'm
not
getting
into
a
back
and
forth
with
chip,
but
I
do
just
want
to
make
one
comment.
It's
interesting
that
this
this
experience
is
good
for
me,
so
I,
if
y'all,
can't
tell
I'm
relatively
young
and
relatively
new
in
my
career.
I've
been
doing
this
now
for
about
10
years,
but
that
still
makes
me
relatively
new.
I
try
to
find
the
balance
between
being
an
engaging
speaker
and
being
taken
seriously,
and
I
would
like
to
be
clear
that
everything
I
said
in
my
presentation
is
backed
by
peer-reviewed
science.
E
The
link
that
I
just
put
in
the
chat
is
a
very
well
sourced,
very
well
cited
list
of
everything
that
I
just
said
that
was
put
together
by
my
boss,
who's
an
attorney,
and
it
took
a
very
long
time
for
him
to
write
that
piece,
because
he
was
afraid
he
would
be
sued
if
he
was
wrong
now.
I
appreciate
that
y'all
enjoyed
my
talk
and
that
roger
brought
me
here
and
said
that
I
would
burn
it
down
and
I
love
giving
these
talks,
but
make
no
mistake.
E
Everything,
I
said,
is
a
fact,
and
everything
I
said
is
backed
by
peer-reviewed
science.
So
I
appreciate
that
there
are
people
who
interpret
science
differently,
who
look
at
things
differently,
but
I
don't
know
what
else
to
tell
you
guys.
This
technology
is
not
innovative
and
it
ain't
gonna
work
and
it's
gonna
hurt
people.
A
That's
just
great,
just
just
take
it
on
to
another
zoom,
caller
or
another
time,
and
again
really
really
appreciate
you
coming
to
speak
to
us
today
and
I
found
it
fascinating
and
I'm
sure
everybody
else
did
too
just
looking
to
who
we
still
have.
We've
only
lost
a
few
people
for
the
entire
hour
and
a
half
so
okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
more
announcements
or
we
just
want
to
move
directly
on
to
the
finale
with
michael
martin,
giving
us
a
little
self
care
help.
A
G
Okay,
hello,
everybody
man,
I
gotta
say
one
thing
part
of
self-care
is
to
keep
in
mind,
energetic
people
and
knowledgeable
people
and
driven
committed
people
like
jane
patton.
That
is
on
my
list
of
how
I
take
care
of
myself,
because
I'm
a
solar
energy
guy
and
I'm
in
on
this
thing,
24
7.,
I'm
not
doing
something
else
and
then
doing
this
as
a
hobby.
My
life
is
wrapped
around
this,
so
thank
you
jane
and
it's
timely.
G
That
happened
because
I'm
just
sharing
a
few
things
out
of
our
self-care
group
and
my
world's
a
little
different
than
most
of
y'all
because,
like
I
said
this
is
what
I
do,
and
so
I've
gone
through
a
lot
of
trauma.
The
last
10
years
since
I've
been
in
clean
energy.
I
live
in
texas.
I
survived
four
years
of
the
last
administration
that
did
nothing
but
hit
me
and
everybody
in
this
industry
with
obstacles,
headwinds
and
lie
after
lie
after
lie,
and
thank
god
I
survived
it.
G
Sometimes
you
know
for
me
the
things
that
I
use
on
a
regular
basis
or
one
exercise.
I
live
in
east
dallas,
near
white
rock
lake.
I
get
on
my
bike
all
the
time
like
this
morning
and
I
I
tell
my
four
daughters,
be
careful
using
words
always
and
never
and
extreme
language
is
you
got
to
be
careful
with
it,
but
I'm
always
happy.
When
I
get
off
my
bicycle:
it
always
works.
G
Another
thing
is
meditation
and
the
great
thing
about
meditation
now
is
anybody
can
do
it
anywhere
anytime
and
if
you've
got
your
buds
and
you're
in
a
noisy
place,
but
nobody's
going
to
mess
with
you,
you
can
do
it.
I
I
will
promote
headspace
incredible
app
and
there's
lots
of
them
calm
advertises
on
tv.
G
G
It's
a
good
thing
to
do
to
help
with
the
things
that
stress
us
out
and
upset
us
in
life,
another
one's
yoga
and
that
now
again
in
our
new
world
of
virtual,
if
you
can't
go
to
a
studio
man,
there's
a
gazillion
places
to
get
yoga
on
instead
of
sitting
at
a
crp
meeting,
do
yoga
in
front
of
your
computer
and
and
then
no
one
will
laugh
at
you,
because
you
don't
like
your.
You
don't
like
how
your
down
dog
looks
to
everybody
else
in
the
studio,
and
then
you
know
people.
G
I
hope
everybody
here
has
somebody
or
some
bodies
in
their
life
that
just
makes
them
feel
good
and
just
their
presence
and
what
it
is
in
your
chemistry
that
makes
you
feel
good.
So
your
personal
community,
if
it's
one
person
or
a
lot
of
people,
then
man
don't
hesitate
to
tell
somebody
you
just
want
to
hang
with
them,
because
they're
good
for
you
and
I
hope
and
pray
everybody
here-
has
that
in
their
lives
as
well
and
and
finally
I'll
just
say,
take
breaks.
G
We
live
in
a
culture
that
is
doo
doo
doo,
all
the
damn
time
that
doesn't
work.
People
and
we
need
to
take
breaks,
do
nothing
and
just
be,
and
your
version
each
of
you
may
your
version
of
doing
nothing
and
b
is
your
version,
so
I
think
there's
the
ability
to
own
this
and
make
it
yours
and
I'll
bet.
If
everybody
did
this
over
the
course
of
time,
they
would
share
different
things
over
this
five
minutes
than
I
have
I'm
just
giving
you
mine,
but
whatever
it
is.
G
I
hope
everybody
can
figure
it
out,
because
just
because
I'm
an
energy
guy
and
deal
with
climate
stuff
all
the
time
and
get
beat
up
still
on
a
daily
basis
in
this
field
in
texas,
where
traditional
energy
power
rules.
I
know
where
we're
going,
I'm
optimistic,
and
these
things
I
just
mentioned
help
me
stay
connected
to
the
fact
that
we're
going
the
right
way
and
to
get
up
and
do
it
again
every
day,
whether
it's
doing
advocacy
like
this
or
trying
to
do
my
work
in
solar.