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From YouTube: Cloud Foundry for Kubernetes Monthly SIG [March 2021]
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Okay,
why
don't
we
get
started
so
ram?
It's
actually
all
yours
right,
so
you
suggested
a
topic
and
I
guess
you
also
get
to
introduce
it
to
the
round.
D
You
know
ways
for
folks
to
deploy
hundreds
of
on
across
hundreds
of
vms
and
and
even
recently,
the
tone.
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Always
been
if
you're,
using
like
thousands
of
container
images
across
your
organization,
here's
the
way
to
do
blah
blah
blah.
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Background
where
I've
advocated
kubernetes
as
a
tool
of
choice,
even
irrespective
of
the
size
of
the
team,
let's
say
so,
let's
be
agnostic
of
you
know
what
your
deep
size
is,
what
your
sort
of
digital
footprint
and
spread
is,
you
can
always,
you
know,
get.
D
Journey
and
keep
kubernetes
not
for
the
day
when
you
start
scaling,
but
even
you
know
from
right
from
the
beginning.
It
can
be
part
of
your
your
approach
to
infrastructure,
and
so
during
these
conversations
the
point
always
seems
to
be
okay,
so,
but
managing
communities
is
very
hard
and
you
know
we
probably
don't
have
the
know
how
and
why
do
you
want
to
force
kubernetes?
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You
know
what
this
positioning
is
for
cf
for
kids,
in
terms
of
how
do
we
advertise
it
to
the
rest
of
the
world
and
as
contributors
as
you
know,
members,
and
you
know,
people
who
have
sort
of
inside
seats
into
into
what
what's
going
on?
What
are
your
thoughts
about?
You
know
what
what
this
looks
like
and
like
I
like.
I
also
mentioned
in
that
comment
now:
sap
just
to
pick
on
a
provider
offers
both
a
managed,
kubernetes,
flavor
and
also
a
cloud
foundry
flavor.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
guess,
like
my
two
initial
instincts,
would
be
to
say
a
yes.
I
also
believe
that,
like
in
order
for
a
cloud
foundry
on
kubernetes
to
be
successful,
we
actually
need
to
like
also
address
way
smaller
com
or
companies,
first
of
all,
but
then
also
individual
community
members
that
are
kind
of
interested
in
trying
out
a
password
flow
on
top
of
kubernetes.
So
so
that
would
be
my
first
reaction.
B
Overall,
I
think
like
if
you,
if
you
don't,
have
that
and
are
already
like
facing
concerns
from
people
that
that
you
talk
through
the
storyline
around
like
we
are
too
small
to
manage
our
own
kubernetes
cluster,
which
I
can
very
well
imagine,
then,
I
think,
like
using
some
kind
of
managed
provider
is
the
answer
for
for
that
part
of
the
question,
and
then
yes,
obviously,
it
should
be
ideally
fairly
easy
to
on
top
of
that,
kubernetes
cluster
then
kind
of
enable
a
pass
experience
based
on
on
cloudform.
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
that
makes
sense
to
me.
I
mean
to
a
certain
extent.
I
I
view
those
like
rami
mentioned
that
there's
you
know,
they've
been
the
rise
of
managed
kubernetes
offerings
on
the
one
hand,
and
then
these
paz
offerings.
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And
so
you
know
up
until
now,
if
you've
wanted
something
like
that,
you've
had
to
go.
Do
a
totally
separate
pass
like
cloud
foundry
on
vms
or
heroku,
or
you
know
some
of
the
google
offerings
or
something
like
that,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
lot
of
the
opportunity
that
we
see
with
taking
that
cf
experience
technology
onto
kubernetes
is
that
you
know
we're
getting
them
to
combine
those
infrastructure
layers
having
it
be
less
of
an
either
or
choice.
C
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So
how
follow-up
question
would
be
often
times
would
be
we
sort
of
understand
how
this
can
bring
benefits
to
like
big
teams
in
sort
of
enterprise
grid
organizations,
where
even
like
a
small
percentage
boost
in
efficiency
for
a
single
team,
you
know
gets
multiplied
across
the
organization
and
that
results
in
like
a
lot
of
saving
and.
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It
only
in
terms
of
convenience-
or
he
said
like-
is
that
like
something
we
can
look
forward
to
a
year
from
now?
Is
that
something
you
know
you
can
you
can
promise
them
say
six
months
from
now,
so
any
thoughts
or
ideas
that
folks
have
about.
You
know
what.
C
D
These
short-term
and
long-term
benefits
of
taking
this
approach
of
take
cloud-found
repairs,
avail
it
on
a
managed
communities
offering
that
you
are
that
that
you
are
going
to
use-
and
you
know
just
just
be
cute
first
for
your
product
or
for
your
web
service
from
the
beginning.
B
But
then
you
actually
have
have
much
more
like
default
security
settings
that
that
are
saying
you
have
like
the
whole
topic
of.
How
do
you
get
an
ingress
and
how
do
you
get
or
how
do
you
make
sure
that
http
requests
reach
your
application
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
So
if
you
dig
through
that
whole
thing
roles
that
are
kind
of
predefined,
that
makes
sense
for
people,
then
at
least
with
small
teams.
B
Granted
those
small
teams
don't
run
cf
kates
for
themselves,
but
they
also
expect
that
to
to
be
a
managed
offering,
but
small
teams
oftentimes
say.
But
I
want
to
focus
on
actually
developing
my
business
logic
as
opposed
to
kind
of
looking
into
low-level
kubernetes
concepts
and
kind
of
understanding
them
and
managing
them
on
our
own.
That's
at
least
like
conversations
that
that
I
have
quite
frequently
these
days.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
that
fundamental
value
proposition
for
app
developers
still
remains-
and
you
know,
we've
we've
seen
validation
of
that
in
the
form
of
some
of
the
hosted
cf
offerings
that
have
existed.
So
you
know,
there's
been
pdubs
ibm
public
cf
instance
is
still
another
example
where
you
know
that's
that's
largely
multi-tenant
and
it's
just
presenting
that
developer
experience.
They
don't
have
any
of
those
operational
concerns,
and
so
I
think,
even
even
right
now
that's
still
a
benefit
that
we
can
present.
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C
But
I
you
know,
I
I
think
that
that's
still
going
to
be
attractive
to
a
certain
segment
of
developers
that
are
just
like.
Okay,
I
want
to
you
know
I
just
want
to
get
this
stuff
working.
I
care
about
writing
code
in
my
language
that
I'm
developing
and
not
having
to
deal
with
all
these
infrastructure
details.
It's
not
going
to
appeal
to
everyone
right.
C
D
Sorry,
I'm
just
going
to
pick
on
multi-tenancy
because
you
mentioned
it
because
again
it's
it's
not
so
much.
As
you
know,
small
teams
inside
a
startup
that
that
interact
with
us,
but
there's
also
this
agency
persona,
who
sort
of
come
and
go
from
time
to
time.
But
there's
like
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
managing
multiple
apps
for
like
multiple
clients
and
then
cfocates
is.
C
D
Proposition
for
them,
because
you
know
two
of
their
clients
are
working
with
like
a
drupal
website
and
they
have
some
go
apps
running
and
they
have
something
else
and
there's
the
agency
persona
who's,
managing
like
two
or
three
different
application
stacks
and
you
know,
build
backs
plus
cfo
gates
is
like
a
huge
win
for
them
on
paper,
but
they're
also
worried
about
you
know.
What's
is
this?
Is
cfr
gates
truly
multi-tenant
ready?
Is
it
on?
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D
If
you
don't
mind
me
asking
sorry
for
the
digression,
but
I
just
wanted
to
pick
on
that
because
it's
a
question
that
we've
had
in
the
past
and
we've
I've
given
a
very
I've
given
a
poor
answer.
Let's
say
I'm
interested
in
sort
of
details
about
that.
C
Yeah
rob
do
you
know
if
they're
they're
concerned
primarily
about
multi-tenancy
from
kind
of
the
the
api
perspective,
the
public
interfaces
that
the
system
is
providing
or
if
that's
more
about
things
at
the
container,
behavior
layer.
C
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D
Any
managed
kubernetes
provider
is
is
going
to
be
very
hard
for
me,
so
I've
not
bothered
making
the
migration
to
kubernetes
and
I've
sort
of
stayed
with.
You
know
whatever.
B
D
Other
services
that
are
available,
so
that's
that's,
the
extent
to
which
the
discussion
has
been
so
I'm
not
very
sure
if
it's
from
the
api
perspective
or
the
container
behavior,
but
it's
more
in
terms
of
what
they
would
experience
overall.
So
I'm
not
very
sure
about
which
is
which.
C
Yeah
sure
I
think
from
from
the
perspective
of
the
especially
the
the
developer
or
administrator
facing
apis,
because.
C
So
you
know
I
I
wouldn't
see
a
lot
of
concerns
there,
although
I
don't
know
that
we've
done
like
the
most
careful
audit
of
of
all
of
those
to
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
case,
I
think
that
there
are
some
potential
gaps
between
say,
diego
and
garden
on
cf
or
vms
deployment,
and
maybe
what
you
might
be
able
to
have
configured
on
a
kubernetes
cluster.
C
I
believe
that
the
garden
and
irene
teams
did
a
pass
some
time
ago
over
some
of
those
security
differences
which
would
be,
I
would
view
as
the
main
concerns
around
multi-tenancy
like
that
and
potentially
resource
usage
within
the
cluster,
or
you
know
having
noisy
neighbors.
B
So
in
in
general,
there
is
this
kind
of
known
incompatibilities
document
and
we've
sent
over
the
mailing
list
some
time
back
and
I
believe
somewhere
in
there
security.
If
I'm.
B
B
D
D
Because
of
the
fact
that
they
all
like
love
and
worship
heroku
until
the
point
that
they
see
their
pricing
pages
and
the
fact
that
I
mean
hopefully
there's
nobody
from
her
book
here
would
take
offense.
But
that's
that's.
You
know,
sort
of
been
a
common
place
where
people's
eyes
have
lit
up.
Oh,
this
is
open
source.
Oh,
this
is
so
much
like.
Oh
this
works
on
kubernetes.
D
It's
sort
of
everything
that
I've
asked
for
and
then
the
combination.
C
D
You
know
potato
bit
bags
and
cf
arcades,
and
you
know,
support
and
for
for
all
of
these
different
runtimes
and
frameworks
is,
is
great.
There's
always
you
know
a
lot
of
questions.
C
D
Would
it
work
for
a
particular,
you
know:
php
fbm
mod,
whatever
combination
and
different
like
go
applications,
and
things
like
that
and
people
are
very
excited
about
the
possibilities,
especially
in
comparison
to
other
past
systems
that
are
available
now,
incidentally,
the
the
past
six
months
to
a
year
has
seen
so
many
other
folks
come
out
with
buildbacks
based
pass
offerings
that
also
do
like
deployments
to
kubernetes
and
generally
container
based
deployments,
which
is
again,
you
know
a
great
sort
of
starter
in
terms
of
hey.
D
Bit
bags-
and
you
know-
we've
been
advocating
bit
banks
for
use
with
cloud
foundry
and
stuff
like
that.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
happening
in
the
general
infrastructure
and
past
days
that
you're
slightly
ahead
of
the
curve
off
and.
D
Interesting
conversations
as
well
and
then
I
think
you
know
overall,
there's
a
very
few
tools
and
techniques
that
we
are
incompatible
with
so
to
say
so,
like
if
you're
using
some
travis.
Let's
say
to
do
a
lot
of
your
deployment
this
you
know:
ci
works
perfectly
fine
with
travis.
D
You
just
make
use
of
some
plugins
and
other
things
that
they
have
and
you
can
do
ocf
deployments
and
a
lot
of
those
things
we've
been
able
to
uncover
in
the
past
few
months
share
it
with
the
community,
and
all
of
these
have
been
very
welcome
in
general.
So
it's
definitely
a
lot
of
you
know
positive
conversations
and
good
takeaways
so
far
in
in
whatever
engagement
that
we've
had
so
far.
B
D
D
Of
the
folks
that
I
had
spoken
to
that,
I
clearly
remember
and
there's
probably
like
few
others
that
are
deploying
to
heroku
all
of
their
production
apps.
I
I'm
not
sure,
but
like
at
least
the
two
folks
that
showed
me.
Some
of
their
sort
of
landscape
had
heroku
for
staging,
but
then
did
like
vms
for
production,
and
things
like
that.
A
C
And
rob
did
you,
I
think
you
mentioned
a
couple
different
factors
there
did
you
get
the
impression
that
that
was
mostly
about
that
control
of
infrastructure,
or
was
that
about
cost.
D
C
C
D
An
option
for
for
deployment,
and
things
like
that,
so
that
presented
like
a
very
interesting
prospect
for
for
the
the
prospective
cfo
gates,
users.
B
B
D
Yeah,
possibly.