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From YouTube: March Community Advisory Board Call 3/21/18
Description
CFF updates.
Highlights from different PMCs and teams.
Community talks:
a. MS SQL Service Broker proposal [3] by Jared Gordon of Pivotal and team (Pivotal and Microsoft)
b. CF-Dev [4] proposal [5] by Stephen Levine of Pivotal
A
A
call
with
two
presentations
we
have
the
team
from
pivotal
and
Microsoft
will
be
presenting
the
MS
sequel
Booker,
and
then
we
ask
if
and
the
vine
from
pivotal
who's
gonna
be
presenting
CF,
Depp,
very
exciting,
and
then,
during
the
extensions
rundown
we
have
Nicolai
Marshall
messy
beef
who
already
presented
the
multi
apps
now
for
multi
apps.
They
had
a
weird
name
to
it,
but
now
it's
really
cool
multi
absolute.
He
kind.
B
A
C
C
The
major
focus
for
pretty
much
from
all
of
us
here
at
the
foundation
we
have
about
775
registrations
so
far,
slightly
trailing
by
the
numbers
that
we
can
compare
to
the
last
year's
registration,
but
it
is
definitely
picking
up
and
we
are
kind
of
getting
closer
to
being
at
the
same
trajectory
as
we
were
last
year
in
terms
of
registration
membership.
That
is
good.
The
agenda
is
pretty
much
fine,
less
with
probably
one
or
two
last-minute
changes,
but
the
final
agenda
I
think
should
be
closed
and
buttoned
up,
barring
any
other
changes.
D
C
We
have
several
events
on
day
zero
as
well.
Numbers
are
picking
up
pretty
well,
even
for
that
I
think
the
user
day
and
hackathon
are
receiving
pretty
good
traction
at
the
moment,
at
least
as
far
as
I
can
see
from
the
numbers.
We
have
we
a
lot
of
folks
registered
for
hacksaw,
but
then
we
had
at
least
anticipated.
So
that
is
a
great
great
formation
that
it's
a
it's
a
great
initiative.
The
Chris
is
pretty
excited
about
it.
C
C
We
will
probably
consider
doing
the
similar
Cloud
Foundry
day
at
other
cube
cons
as
well
in
Shanghai
and
in
Seattle.
Later
this
year,
information
and
even
the
final
decisions
have
not
been
made
for
that
one.
Yet
we
are
still
waiting
for
information
from
the
CN
CF
and
the
broader
Ellis
team
from
the
for
those
days,
but
508
Copenhagen
is
definitely
coming
along
pretty
well.
C
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
one
more
thing:
Indian
did
you
mention
about
the
hackathon
that
we
have
also
okay,
because
that
that's
an
option
when
you
register
but
I
guess
the
thing
to
tell
people
is
that
if
you
did
not
check
the
hackathon
option
and
you
still
want
to
participate,
you
have
a
team
and
so
on
just
come
the
first
day
claims
would
come
the
first
day
and
take
part
of
it
right.
So
definitely
that's
something
that
that's
going
on.
A
C
No,
thank
you
for
reminding
about
that.
You
can
always
go
back
to
your
registration
and
edit
it
or
you
can
even
just
walk
in
and
sign
up
on
the
day
of
hackathons.
We
also
added
one
other
thing
as
part
of
the
summit
plan.
So
we
are.
We
built
up
an
IFV
day
on
on
day
zero
for
all
of
our
this
remembers
to
bring
their
ecosystem.
C
Partners
like
there
is
be
partners
for
a
quick
intro
in
the
beginning,
like
they
will
open
with
a
quick
view,
presentation
from
the
numbers,
and
then
we
will
kind
of
open
it
up
for
one-on-one
signups
for
engineers
at
the
IFA
partners
to
schedule
some
time
with
engineers
from
these
different
projects.
We
have
listed
all
the
information
the
eye
every
day.
So
if
you
go
back
to
your
registration,
you
should
be
able
to
add
it
onto
your
registration
as
well,
but
if
you're
not
sure
how
to
do
this,
just
drop
me
a
note.
C
I
will
get
you
all
set
up
either
very
interested
in
bringing
your
IC
partner
or,
if
you
would
like
to
sign
up
for
that
and
just
schedule
some
time
I
mean
if
you
are
at
an
IT
partner
and
if
you
would
like
to
sign
up
for
a
time
slot
with
one
of
these
engineers
on
these
projects.
So
drop
me
a
note.
I
will
again
add
this
information
as
well
into
the
meeting
notes
or
in
the
cap
channel
here,
but
yeah
do
drop
me
a
note
if
you're
interested
about
that
as
well.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
Swarna.
So
no
excuses,
everybody
you
have
many
ways
to
attend
and
to
join
will
see
you
in
Boston,
okay.
So
the
next
thing,
unless
there
any
questions,
is
to
kind
of
go
very
quickly
over
any
highlights
on
the
PMC's.
So
we
usually
start
with
the
runtime
chem,
see
I,
don't
see
Yui
online,
but
I'm
not
at
pivotal
this
time.
So
I
don't
know
if
she
may
be
join
some
other
ways.
I.
B
A
Sweet
thank
you.
Eric
I
know,
speaking
of
container
the
routing
team
sort
of
adopting
issue.
We
had
some
question
about
how
the
transition
will
happen
and
so
on
and
and
I
think
Shannon
added
some
text
on
the
proposal.
I'd
recommend
people
to
take
a
look
at
it.
I'm
super
excited
this
I
think
I
think
it's
a
great
direction,
but
of
course
you
know
it's
gonna
be
a
nice
challenge,
but
it's
a
good
stuff.
A
A
E
We
don't
really
have
anything
new
going
on.
The
existing
sets
of
tracks
of
work
are
pretty
large,
so
they're
continuing
to
happen,
probably
the
most
things
I
saw,
is
the
hot-swap,
which
is
really
arranging
a
few
different
things
inside
the
director
recently
shipped
some
new
release
that
introduces
team
scoped
configs.
So
a
team
can
specify
a
cloud
config
or
portions
of
cloud
config
that
there
aren't
going
to
get
picked
up
by
another
teams
and
we
also
shipped
some
stem
cells.
A
Cool
Thank,
You
GK,
so
one
thing
I'll
mention
is
at
CFD
for
index.
We
hosted
a
set
of
speakers
and
one
of
the
speaker's
was
Danny
from
the
Bosch
teams
he's
the
anchor
and
he
gave
a
really
nice
talk
that
gives
strategies
on
how
to
use
Bosch,
especially
if
you
have
multiple
teams
and
some
of
the
new
features.
I
guess
we
relatively
new
features
that
help
make
that
easier
and
to
help
out
Dimitri
and
I
would
a
blog
post
on
on
Danny's
talk
and
there's
also
reference
to
Danny
stock.
A
The
blog
post
is
scheduled
to
be
published,
but
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I
have
a
preview
of
it.
So
what
I'll
do
is
up
on
the
cap
stock
channel,
I'll
post
it
there
so
that
way
people
can
can
take
a
look,
especially
people
that
are
interested
in
Bosch
I.
Think
you
definitely
want
to
look
at
some
of
the
new
features
or
at
least
if
you,
if
you
didn't,
spend
time
looking
at
those
you,
you
wanna,
take
a
look
at
them,
so
I'll
post
it
because
it
kind
of
gives
a
summary
of
them.
A
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
a
question
for
TK
or
just
generally
about
Bosch
nope,
all
right
cool
all
right.
So
now
it's
extensions
so
for
extensions.
What
I'll
do
is
I'm
gonna,
give
some
time
to
the
SCP
team
to
discuss
their
multi
apps,
because
it's
one
of
the
new
proposal
that
just
came
out
and
then
also
you'll,
hear
from
Stephen
Devine,
who
is
submitting
the
CF
dev
proposal.
There's
a
few
more
things
happening.
A
As
you
know,
we
have
a
site
where
you
can
see
the
latest
proposed
projects,
as
well
as
the
latest
status,
so
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
you
know
discussing
them.
I
would
tell
you
just
go
there
and
then
you
can
see
the
summer
and
just
like
every
PMC,
also
sort
of
have
that
the
run
time
as
something
similar.
A
So
with
that,
let
me
see
if,
if
Levi
wants,
to
give
us
kind
of
like
a
quick
overview,
he
submitted
his
proposal
I
think
yesterday
he
gave
a
talk
on
this
in
the
cap
for
I
think
to
cap
calls
ago.
So
you
know
after
you
hear
him.
If
you
wanna
see
the
cap,
the
cap
presentation
that
he
did,
you
can
go
and
fetch
that
out
so
nicholai.
You
wanna
kind
of
give
us
an
overview
of
your
multi
app
sure.
F
F
So
we
are
currently
a
team
of
nine
people
actually
develop
pink.this
service,
which
actually,
what
provides
it
provides
you,
the
quality
of
model
where
you
can
describe
a
composite
distributed
higher
level
I
mean
application
containing
several
possibly
up
services
and
other
technical
artifacts.
So
we
provide
this
high
level
entity
in
CF
to
manage
solutions,
applications
or
higher
level
services.
So,
first
of
all
we
provide
the
model.
Then
we
provide
additional
tooling
for
initial
deployment
updates,
even
between
updates
on
deployments
et
cetera
of
such
kind
of
apps,
and
we
provide
additional
mechanisms.
F
F
There
are
more
than
a
two
thousands
of
apps
on
our
cloud
platform
running
such
kind
of
apps,
so
we
are
developing
it
operating
it,
etc,
and
right
now
would
like
to
see
whether
the
community
sees
it
at
something
good
to
have
standardized
in
the
industry
of
come
foundation,
so
to
say
so,
as
I
said,
the
proposal
is
public.
There
are
several
videos
you
can
check
from
the
cup.
Co
I
also
gave
a
presentation
on
the
CF
summit
in
in
in
Basel.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
Nicola
I
think
you
know
for
people
if
you
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
at
this
I
would
say
again
another
thing
to
look
at
which
you
know
has
interesting
consequences,
because
it's
solving
a
real
problem
and
I
know
that
the
Cappy
team
that
responded
on
this
you
know
there's
there's
a
lot
to
be
done,
but
at
least
the
SVP
team
is
proposing
something.
That's
there
it's
working,
so
I
would
say.
Maybe
it's
worth
you
know
looking
at
it,
giving
some
feedback
and
let's
see
what
goes.
A
Any
questions
somebody
who
says
no
all
right
so
go
to
the
C
of
their
mailing.
This
and
you'll
see
it
all
right
so
for
extensions,
the
only
other
thing
I
guess
a
couple
more
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
you
know
the
CFC
are
sort
of
container
runtime
used
to
be
called
kugel
you're,
making
a
lot
of
progress
in
moving
very
very
fast.
A
So
if
you
go
to
the
to
the
drum,
beat
you'll
see
some
of
the
updates
that
George
is
putting
and
it
seemed
UK
and
then
I
also
know
that
the
auto
scaling
team
has
had
a
major
milestone
recently
studios
in
his
team.
So
if
you're
interested
on
all
the
scaling,
definitely
take
a
look
at
this
I'm
going
to
try
to
see
if
I
can
convince
them
to
maybe
perhaps
give
a
demo
at
one
of
those
kept
calls
upcoming.
So
you
know
pay
attention
grab.
A
So
one
last
thing
I
want
to
mention
before
we
go
to
the
two
presentations-
and
we
just
finish
with
those
is
that
the
Clapp
call
for
April
happens
to
be
exactly
during
summit.
So
what
that
means
is
we'll
do
it
live
and
if
you
remember
when
we
did
it
live
last
time,
it
was
a
lot
of
fun.
Dr.
Nick
was
there
Jules
was
there
and
I
was
there
and
it
was
was
a
blast.
A
A
Is
there
too
so
I
would
say
make
sure
you
attend
this
if
you
can
alright,
so
so
with
that,
unless
there
are
any
questions,
we're
gonna
go
to
the
two
presentations
I
think
we'll
have
about
20
minutes
for
each.
If
you
need
to
go
over
a
little
bit,
that's
fine,
but
20
minutes.
Try
to
keep
it
at
that.
So
first
is
that
team.
It's
a
combination
between
pivotal
and
Microsoft
Zack
will
introduce
and
then
the
team
will
present
the
MS
sequel
worker.
So
exactly
maybe
you
can
mention
who's
gonna
talk
but
sure.
G
Hey
folks,
so
we're
you
know,
broadly
in
the
Cloud
Foundry
community,
we're
getting
more
and
more
developers
who
are
coming
from
the
Microsoft
ecosystem,
the
by
and
large.
The
biggest
thing
they
asked
for
is
some
sort
of
a
sequel,
server
service
broker
or
some
other
solution
for
sequel
server
database
and
there
there's
a
broker
that
was
out
there.
That
was
submitted
by
some
some
folks
who
used
to
be
members
of
the
foundation,
but
it
hasn't
had
any
commits
in
several
years
to
two
years,
two
and
a
half
years.
G
So
we
wanted
to
have
something
that
we
could
put
out
there,
that
that's
actively
maintained
and
that
we
could
wholeheartedly
recommend
and
so
pivotal.
Some
folks
at
pivotal,
put
together
a
new
broker
for
sequel
server
and
to
be
clear,
this
is
for
an
on-premise,
Microsoft,
sequel
server
that
already
exists
somewhere
in
the
enterprise.
This
is
not
a
Bosh
deploy
at
Microsoft,
sequel,
server
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
a
broker
that
will
carve
out
no
databases,
users
etc.
G
So
Mike
Lloyd
from
our
pivotal
Microsoft
alliances
team
is
here
and
he's
he's
going
to
present
it.
One
other
thing
that
I
should
mention
before
we
go
is
that
we
we
have
little
built
this
broker
and
we've
been
working
closely
with
Microsoft
and
Microsoft
has
agreed
that
they're
going
to
be
participate
in
the
maintenance
of
it
going
forward
and
eventually
own
it
completely.
So
our
goal
is
to
get
it
into
the
into
the
incubator
so
that
you
know
it
can
be
out
there,
and
this
can
maybe
replace
the
broker.
G
H
Awesome
thanks
Zach
yeah
I
mean
Zach
touch
on
the
I'd,
say,
probably
the
biggest
points
you
know,
we'd
like
to
provide
a
newer,
more
recent
broker.
That's
designed
for
full-blown
single
server
instances,
some
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
focus
on,
or
multi-tenant
schemas
and
user
creation
right.
So
multiple
apps
can
use
the
same
signal
so,
for
instance,
with
differing
databases,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
credentials
could
be
shared
with
other
applications.
H
So
the
nice
part
about
this
is
we've.
Our
focus
has
been
on
making
sure
this
is
an
actively
maintaining
project,
because
the
previous
project,
by
the
is
no
one
that
maintained
a
lot
of
customers,
felt
that
sequel
server
wasn't
getting
an
appropriate
kind
of
priority
within
the
community.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
focus
very
heavily
on
the
fact
that
this
is
not
only
currently
maintained,
but
it
will
be
maintained
in
the
future
and
we
have
that
commitment
from
Microsoft
that
they
will
maintain
it.
H
So
some
of
the
ante
goals
that
we
have
for
this
project
are
you
know
we
don't
want
to
dynamically
provisioned
sequel
server,
instances
great.
We
can
provision,
databases
and
users
for
those
databases,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
trying
to
manage
single
server
deployments.
That's
it's
a
little
out
of
scope
for
this.
H
You
know
we
also
don't
want
to
make
sure
that
we
redeploy
or
heal
existing
employments.
If
something
goes
bad
just
leave,
it
create
a
new
one,
maybe
for
version
two,
but
not
for
right
now.
The
reason
we
want
to
submit
this
to
the
Cloud
Foundry
community
as
a
whole
is
that
this
has
been
a
collaboration
between
both
Microsoft
and
pivotal,
and
we
felt
that
it
was
gain.
Community
Trust,
by
having
it
be
open,
sourced
and
owned
by
the
foundation,
has
a
lot
of
legitimacy
to
the
broker
as
a
whole.
H
The
implementation
was
written
in
spring
boot.
Currently,
it
does
not
support
pivotal
Cloud
Foundry
toe.
However
Garrett
Gordon
pushed
a
new
branch
this
morning,
which
adds
new
features
right
now.
There
is
a
dependency
on
Redis,
however,
that
will
be
going
away
in
the
next
couple
days,
so
it
can
be
a
fully
independent
service
worker,
let's
no
other
dependencies.
H
A
F
H
I
H
H
H
H
The
repository
under
this
proposal
story
does
come
with
a
client
example
that
works.
If
you
wanted
to
play
it,
you
can
go
ahead
and
do
it
unfortunately,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
deploy
it
ahead
of
fun.
I
just
didn't
have
time,
otherwise,
it'd
be
a
demo,
but
you
can
find
the
client
example
here,
as
well
as
instructions
on
how
to
test
the
broker
for
yourself.
G
I
want
to
add
something
there.
There
are
some
samples
as
well
that
that
leveraged
the
broker
in
the
steel-toe
project,
so
you
may
have
heard
of
a
steel
to
open-source
project.
It's
basically
if
the
dotnet
SDK
for
Cloud
Foundry
and
includes
access
to
all
those
bring
cloud
services
tools
from
dotnet
clients,
there's
a
connector
for
it
effectively
the
same
thing
as
a
spring
boot
connector,
but
for
a
dead
app
that
leverages
this
sequel
server
broker
and-
and
there
are
samples
for
that
out
in
steel-toe
io
as
well.
A
H
G
H
H
And
then,
on
top
of
that,
we
actually
host
the
servers
burger
on
the
pivotal
ecosystem
network,
as
you
can
see
here,
so
we
have
a
couple
customers
that
have
given
this
a
test
run.
They
really
love.
It.
They've
had
some
good
feedback
for
us
and
stuff
like
that,
so
it's
definitely
been
tested
out
in
the
wild
and
we
have
a
customer
that
is
hoping
to
go
into
production
with
this
at
some
point
soon,.
A
H
To
answer
Brett's
question:
I,
don't
know
about
the
new
credentials
as
far
as
marketing
to
new
instances.
I
just
wants
me.
Unfortunately,
questions
for
Jared,
I'm,
just
feeling
impotent,
be
here
I
would
I
did
want
to
give
a
demo.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
a
single
server
instance.
Stood
up.
I
couldn't
get
one
set
up
in
time
because
I
was
travelling.
Yesterday.
I
I
A
different
light
if
I'm,
a
knowledgeable
sequel,
server,
user
and
I
come
to
Cloud,
Foundry
and-
and
you
know,
I
start
to
try
to
bring
sequel
server
into
my
life.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
feature
or
a
behavior
that
I
want
BR
to
ever
achieve
because
there
was
fictions
around
the
open,
serviceworker,
API
sequence,.
G
I
The
user
model
of
Jesus
being
created
shamed
within
a
space
I
guess
we
now
have
shared
service
instances
that
solves
that
problem.
If
they
didn't
share,
it
goes
not
a
smart
idea.
Yeah
any
I,
don't
know
the
ways
in
which
people
have
grown
used
to
claim
the
sequel
server
and
then
a
big
shaped,
the
yeah
yeah
big,
shared
sequel,
server
cluster.
H
This
broker
does
what
you
would
expect
to
get
from
DBA
right,
if
you
say,
hey
hold
like
a
database.
This
gives
you
a
database
and
it
gives
you
a
dedicated
user
for
that
database.
However,
their
you
know
their
limitations,
Radio
Active,
Directory
authentication,
if
you're
doing
any
type
of
sequel
clustering,
it
doesn't
expose
any
of
those
features.
A
G
G
He
is
the
head
of
dotnet
engineering
at
Microsoft,
he's
going
to
be
headlining
on
there's,
also
a
one-day
training
class
that
that
will
be
provided
by
pivotal,
plus
Kevin
Huffman
at
the
beginning
of
Cloud
Foundry
summit
and
then
stay
tuned
for
during
the
keynotes.
We've
got
a
couple
different
demos
that
will
be
leveraging
net
on
cloud
foundry
ins
in
different
ways,
including
the
steel-toe
project,
so
some
very
cool
stuff
in
that
space,
yeah.
A
Excellent
I
mean
getting
the
old
dotnet
world
into
cloud.
Foundry
is
brilliant.
Thank
you
for
that,
okay,
so
I
guess
next
we
have
another
engineer
from
pivot.
Also
stiffened
Devine
you,
you
guys
seen
him
before.
He
gave
us
an
overview
of
his
brilliant,
yet
local,
too,
and
now
he's
back
with
even
more
and
I
know.
Steven
had
one
of
the
best
talk
that
we've
had
in
the
cab
core.
So
here's
a
challenge
to
top
himself.
So
let's
see
what
you
can
do
see
this,
but
you
got
30
minutes,
25,
sorry,
but
sounds.
D
D
So
first
I
want
to
talk
for
a
second
about
PCF
des,
and
so
what
that
project
was,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it,
so
PCF
Deb
was
a
local
or
is
a
local
Cloud.
Foundry
experience
that
you
know
worked
on
top
of
VirtualBox.
It
didn't
have
a
community
version.
It
was
available
through
pit
net
which
had
a
barrier
to
entry
that
was
a
little
higher
than
we
like
and
didn't
have
Bosh.
D
That
was
a
big
limitation
to,
and
so
a
little
while
ago
we
decided
that
we
wanted
to
sort
reimplemented
of
a
little
differently
and
also
offer
a
community
version
of
it.
That
would
be
a
foundation
project,
and
so
that
is
yet
done
so
PC
of
Deb
isn't
going
to
go
away.
It's
just
gonna
be
an
extension
on
top
of
CFN
that
lets
you
deploy
PCF
the
sort
of
pivotal
woman,
except
really
won't
be
related
to
the
Cloud
Foundry
project.
D
You
know
we'll
keep
separation
between
the
two,
so
CF
dev
is
a
very
different
experience
from
PCF
Dev.
Although
the
user
experience,
though,
if
you're
just
using
Cloud
Foundry,
is
very
similar,
so
CF
dev
is
another
CF
CLI
plugin,
but
unlike
these
yep
dev,
it
works
on
native
hypervisors.
So
you
don't
need
VirtualBox
to
use
it.
It
has
a
full
box
director,
and
so
you
can
deploy
any
box
release.
Anything
that'll
successfully
deployed
a
box
flight
should
deploy
just
as
easily
to
see
of
dev,
but
CF
dub.
D
When
you
start
it
comes
with
full
CF
pre
deployed
and
starts
in
about
the
same
amount
of
time
when
I
say
native
hypervisor
I
mean
like
a
hyper
kit
on
Mac
using
the
native
hypervisor
framework
or
hyper-v
on
windows
were
KVM
on
Linux,
so
you
don't
need
anything
but
stuff
that
the
operating
system
is
providing,
and
so
we
already
have
a
release.
Oh
the
first
alpha
release
the
this
is
only
for
Mac
right
now.
We're
working
on
a
Windows
version,
that'll
work
on
hyper-v.
But
if
you
install
this,
you
don't
need
VirtualBox
or
anything
else.
D
Besides,
a
Mac,
OS,
C
or
greater,
we
do
have
a
bug
in
this
initial
alpha
release
that
makes
it
not
work.
If
you
haven't
ever
had
docker
for
Mac
installed,
but
you
can
have
it
uninstalled,
it's
very
strange.
So
if
you
run
into
that,
you
might
need
to
install
docker
from
X,
but
the
next
release
won't
have
that
limitation.
It's
just
the
configuration
change.
We
didn't
notice
the
augur
from
X,
meaning
that
this
elderlies
have
CF
eV
and
the
sort
of
the
new
implementation
we're
using
is
users
a
lot
of
similar
technology.
D
That's
a
doctor
from
X!
So
it's
using
legs
kit
with
the
VPN
kit
to
do
all
this
fancy,
networking
and
stuff.
So
we
get
we
get
benefits
like.
If
you
have
a
corporate
proxy,
you
don't
have
to
get
the
proxy
in
bars
and
everywhere
in
the
VM,
just
magically
figures
out
how
to
write
everything
through
your
proxy.
It's
pretty
fancy
stuff!
So.
D
E
D
Next
thing
is:
we
have
this
proposal.
We
submitted
this
yet
confused,
unfortunately,
similarly
games,
so
you
have
to
have
mailing
list
that
is
sort
of
proposing
incubation
for
CF
dub
I
encourage
you
to
check
it
out.
People
have
been
asking
a
lot
of
good
questions,
but
what
this
is
what
PCF
dev
was
you
know
what
our
motivations
are
and
things
like
that
I
definitely
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
and
definitely
reach
out.
If
you
have
questions
so
with
that,
I
am
going
to
deploy
spring
music
classic
app
for
the
classic
sample.
D
I
put
live
pounding
to
see
F
EE,
it's
gonna
be
a
very
short
demo.
I
want
to
leave
a
lot
of
time
for
questions
and
we
don't
have
services
available.
Yet
you
can
deploy
them
yourself,
but
they're
not
pre
deployed,
so
there's
not
all
that
much
to
demo.
Besides
the
standard
CF
features
that
you
know
you're
all
pretty
familiar
with.
So
with
that
people
see
this
terminal
here,
I
hear
I
didn't
want
you
to
wait
for
this
thing
to
start,
even
though
it's
not
too
slow,
I
know
and
take
a
long
time
during
the
demo.
D
D
That's
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
log
into
the
CFM
I
just
started
this
morning
and
excuse
user
passes
and
cadential,
as
you
can
see,
got
those
right
here
and
then
I
have
the
spring
music
app
that
I
already
built
a
jar,
so
you
wouldn't
have
to
wait
for
that
and
I'm
just
gonna
see
you
push
it
to
see.
If
that.
D
And
this
should
take
about
a
minute
to
push
you
can
see
here.
It's
running
for
the
detection
process.
I
found
a
jumbo
pack.
That's
your
standard,
push
experience
everything
in
and
see
if
that
is
what
you'd
expect
from
a
cloud
kind
of
installation,
no
John
build
packs
there.
Currently
this
is
running
a
CF
deployment.
One
well
I
think
we're
1:1,
it's
a
little
out
of
date.
The
next
release
should
have
you
runnin
elitists,
yet
between
them
and
yeah.
We'll
just
wait
for
this
after
finishing
really
quickly.
You
can
see
I
pushed
it
ahead
of
time.
C
E
D
So
we
don't
plan-
or
we
haven't
thought
about
that.
Yet
we
may
you
know,
fix
the
namespacing
issue
or
release
with
the
problem.
I
think
that's
referring
to
is
the
name
of
the
plug-in
once
you
installed
the
command
and
installs
as
dad's,
which
conflicts
with
the
PC
of
Devlin,
so
you
can't
have
both
installed
at
the
same
time.
D
Currently
we
didn't
think
that'd
be
a
problem
initially,
because
the
VMS
are
both
relatively
large,
so
you
wouldn't
want
to
have
both
started
at
the
same
time
and
you
can
leave
one
running
if
you
uninstalled
uninstalling,
a
plugin
doesn't
shut
down
the
VM,
so
you
can't
install
one
plug-in
install
the
other
one.
Is
that
whatever
that
is
not
the
best?
You
don't
usability
experience
and
on
Mac
it
is
possible
windows.
It's
not
possible
to
run
hyper-v
in
VirtualBox
at
the
same
time
anyways.
So
it's
not
not
an
issue
on
Windows
but
a
Mac.
D
You
can
run
VirtualBox
and
hyper
hyper
kit,
and
so
we
may
look
into
addressing
that,
but
we
don't
think
there
are
a
lot
of
use
cases
for
it
and
it's
already
kind
of
possible.
So
you
may,
you
may
not
end
up
doing
that.
I
will
think
about
it.
So
you
can
see
that
so
you
can
see.
This
is
sorry
kind
of
someone
meet.
There's
some
background
noise
there.
Okay,
so
you
can
see
a
screen
music
push
successfully
I'm
gonna
grab
there
to
route
it
generated
randomly
then
go
back
to
my
web
browser
here
and
tada.
D
Music
running
locally
from
this
domain,
which
was
pointed
at
a
pointing
back
at
your
machine
at
actually
at
an
alias
interface
on
your
loopback
interface,
is
how
VPN
you
think
it
does
the
networking
it's.
That
was
pretty
interesting.
So
we
don't
have
services
yet,
but
I
can
show
you
gosh,
so
we
can
deploy
your
own
services
if
you
want
to
so
here.
I'm
gonna
do
CF
launch
and
you
can
see
there's
only
one,
so
you
have
to
have
off
command
available,
which
is
this
n
bar
thing?
D
So
if
you
see
if
that
box-
and
you
get
this
selection
of
environment
variables,
these
are
temporary
generated
secrets
and
that,
supposing
anything
anybody
can
pack
into
here
and
the
if
I
source,
that
using
eval
run
that
using
eval
against
now
my
gosh
CLI
has
full
access
to
the
Bosh
director
running
inside
of
C
I've
done
so
pretty
Bosh
releases.
You
can
see
all
my
releases
from
C
up
deployment.
Are
there
and
maybe
five
deployments
you
can
see
my
CF
installation
is
there
and
has
all
those
releases
deployed
as
using
the
Bosh
lights
themselves.
D
This
is
the
Box
aspects
of
this
are
similar
to
Bosh
light.
I
mean
it's
using
a
the
same
director.
Bosh
light
does
with
the
same
CPI,
so
that's
about
it
eventually
will
be
able
to
bother.
You
can
currently
bashed
employee
we've
tested
rabbitmq
already
and
that
deploys
really
easily.
If
you
just
change
the
box
flight
routes,
then
RabbitMQ
repo
and
get
it
to
play
rabbit
you
service
in
there
eventually,
we'll
have
flags
like
the
current
CF
CLI
does
little
light
you
to
play
services,
but
probably
you
could
probably
be
more
dynamic.
D
D
D
Yeah,
so
we
plan
to
offer
the
minute
you
can
download
the
manifest
in
this
box
director
using
Bosh,
and
so
you
can
download
make
changes
to
it
and
redeploy
if
you
want
to
and
that
that
works
completely
fine,
you
can,
you
can
undo,
play
CF
and
deploy
a
new
CF.
If
you
want
to
that
all
works,
we
are
planning
an
option
to
just
give
you
the
box
tractor
with
nothing
else
to
make
it
kind
of
like
a
box
light
experience
on
the
native
hypervisors.
That
would
let
you
deploy.
D
We,
when
we
do
the
service
flags,
you
know
we
can
offer
more
services
than
we've
offered
in
the
past,
because
we
don't
have
to
bake
them
in
the
moment
that
we
offer
you
co,
dev
I
mean
and
so
there'll
be.
You
know,
custom
ops,
files
and
and
or
manifests
for
all
that
that
you'll
be
able
to
download
and
use
to
play.
You
know
sort
of
wider
selection
of
services
than
the
three
or
four
we
have
right
now.
I
Nick
a
question
on
the
resource
requirements
so
about
three
years
ago:
I
bought
a
brand-new
Mac
air
and,
and
it
still
works,
really
good
right
up
until
I
tried
to
see.
If
there's
the
CF
damn
looks
like
it
uses.
Almost
10%
of
my
500
gig
SSD
drive,
which
three
years
ago
is
pretty
fancy
drill.
Ethical
I
think
you
and
I
like
it,
and
when
I
went
to
try
to
play
more
things,
my
machine
became
very
unhappy
that
that
I
was
trying
to
do
all
this
stuff.
I
D
For
this
first
alpha,
you
probably
want
a
machine
with
16
gigs
of
ram
or
more
and
quite
a
bit
of
free
disk
space.
I
haven't
even
looked
too
much
at
much
to
space.
It's
taking
up
in
the
latest
release
and
the
latest
acceptance
builds.
We
haven't
applied
many
of
the
optimizations
we
made
to
PCF
deaths
too,
so
you
have
done
quite
yet
and
still
in
the
backlog
we
wanted
to
get.
D
The
fresh
lease
out
was
just
something
that
worked
and
then
cover
that
later,
so
we're
hoping
to
get
to
a
similar
footprint,
it's
gonna
be
a
little
bit
bigger
because
bond
the
box
director,
they're,
not
box,
agents,
running
and
stuff
like
that,
but
we're
hoping
that
will
be
you'll
still
be
able
to
run
it
in
a
machine
with
eight
gigs
of
ram
and
put
a
few
amps
as
the
goal
the
optimizations
we
haven't
applied
yet
or
things
like
their
perform.
There
are
some
JVM
options.
D
I
D
D
Deploying
it's
deploying
from
scratch
the
it's
just
it's
like
if
you
deployed
CF
to
bash
light,
but
we
made
some
changes
to
flashlights
that
you
know
improve
that
experience
and
they're,
mostly
upstream,
might
actually
and
the
we've
seen
on
the
native
hypervisors
on
Mac,
at
least
that
that
process,
if
done
with
all
the
right
that's
locally
and
with
that
it
doesn't
have
to
download
anything
during
the
process
and
stuff,
doesn't
take
that
much
longer
than
the
PCF.
The
PC
of
devs
process,
where
all
the
pre
deployed
services
would
start.
D
E
D
So,
relatively
soon,
that's
that's
coming
up
pretty
quickly.
We
are
fixing
one
or
two
bugs
on
on
Mac.
First
right
now
we
need
to
make
sure
PCF
deploys
to
it
well
and
then
we're
gonna
tackle
hyper-v.
We
would
not
call
it.
You
know
we
wouldn't
say
it's
finished
until
hyper-v
support
works
just
as
well,
as
you
know,
support
on
Mac.
That's
that's!
You
know
critical
part
of
my
roadmap.
It's
definitely
something
that
we'll
get
to
soon
and
just
we
started
in
that.
D
First
awesome,
so
Tuesday
right
not
like
on
Tuesday,
but
but
you
know
soon
the
we
do.
We
are
thinking
about
windows
cells,
support,
also
the
ability
to
draw
on
Windows
machine
or
if
you
can
run
a
Windows
VM
deploy
Windows
apps
like
that
net
apps
to
it.
That's
that's
something
we're
thinking
about.
We
definitely
care
a
lot
about
our
Windows
users,
especially
because
our
PC
of
death
integration.
We
think
we
largely
used
by
Windows
users,
because
that's
who
you
know
most
most
of
the
user
basically
slept
at
right
now
is
Windows.
D
E
Sure
so
I
was
actually
kind
of
stumble
on
to
see
if
dev
and
was
working
with
it
a
little
bit.
So
basically,
I
was
looking
to
do
some
application
monitoring,
so
I
wanted
I
did
a
deployment
for
Prometheus
to
do
just
like
I
said
some
app
monitoring
but
I
had
some
issues.
I
ran
into
some
networking
problems
trying
to
get
access
to
the
web.
Ui
is
associated
with
it,
and
maybe
I
could
talk
to
you
after
the
call
or
something
like
that
to
maybe
get
some
tips
on
that
yeah.
D
Sure
that
sounds
good,
the
networking
and
PCF
that
is
rated
networking
and
see
if
that
is
kind
of
interesting,
it's
more
more
interesting
than
it
wasn't
PC
up
depth
with
VPN
kit
there.
So
you
know,
I
can
definitely
imagine
that
there
be
maybe
some
issues.
There
are
some
issues
with
box
networking
in
the
alpha
2
that
should
be
fixed
in
the
next
alpha
release,
the
one
of
there's
a
Bosch
subnet,
that's
not
routing
correctly
in
the
office
that
may
be
what
you're
running
into.
But
let's,
let's
chat
afterwards
perfect.
E
D
A
This
is,
this
is
like
Wayne,
said:
eBook
awesomeness
I
think
he
said
it's
really
really
cool
Stephen.
So,
of
course
you
know
with
after
reading
your
proposal,
you're
talking
also
about
services.
How
are
you
gonna,
I
guess
support
that?
Maybe
you
can
mention
briefly
what
what
that
is
again,
so
that
people
can
be
even
more
excited
and-
and
maybe
you
can
finish
with
a
timeline
of
when
to
expect
this
and
I'm.
A
Get
them
there
well,
I
mean
it
depends
right,
like
it,
I
think
what
you,
what
you've
done
with
local,
and
this
is
to
make
it
easy
for
me
as
a
developer,
to
just
get
started
with
a
foundry
without
having
to
deploy
if
a
foundry
and
manages
and
you're
making
all
that
easy.
But
obviously
any
developer
needs
to
start
when
you,
when
you
start
using
a
foundry,
you
need
services,
so
I
expect.
A
D
D
But
then,
if
you
want
extra
services,
you're
going
to
do
something
like
this
MQ
and
mass
or
something-
and
if
you
do
that,
then
we'll
pre
deploy
those
services
at
when
CFM
starts
you'll,
be
able
to
do
CF,
create
service
and
find
the
services
to
grab
anything
like
that.
This
is
probably
the
current
experience
with
TC
at
that
give
that
everything
is
baked
into
the
DM,
and
so
you
know
we
we
always
start
services
except
for
spring
cloud
services.
D
A
D
And
it's
just
pasta
ploy
underneath
okay,
we're
using
the
standard,
you
know
like
yeah
Frank,
you
release,
Redis
release,
no,
those
those
things
and
you
can
deploy
them
right
now.
You
don't
need
this.
This
is
just
a
convenience
function.
You
can
go
and
clone
this
repose
and
do
you
know
change
it
much
light
routes
to
be
freed
up
piece,
you
have
to
add
IO
and
do
a
box
deploy
and
we
pushing
rabbit
rabbit.
A
Other
question
you
know
usually
with
workers
you
have
to
enable
the
worker,
for
particular
organ
and
I,
guess:
space
in
CFD
F.
You
give
me
a
organ
space
and
if
I
create
new
organ
space
and
those
would
have
to
be
added
like
you'd
have
to
add
them
to
like
the
services
would
have
to
be
enabled
for
those.
A
D
D
A
D
D
A
A
D
Thanks
that
I'm
happy
to
give
this
demo
and
and
I'm
glad
people
are
excited,
I
also
want
to
mention
again.
If
you
have
questions
you
can
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
or
Scott,
also,
basically
IMing
this
with
me.
It's
far
more
product
focused
than
I,
am
so
I'm
really
still
an
engineer,
so
you
know
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
him
very.
D
A
Okay
and
then
you
be
in
Boston
lets
you
know.
If
you
want
to
meet
him,
the
team
I
guess
comes
you,
okay.
Is
there
any
question
we
top
of
the
hour
we
got
a
flow
is
remember.
Next
month
it's
gonna
be
in
Boston
and
we're
doing
it
live
so
come
it
will
be
fun.
Okay,
until
then,
talking
to
you
next
time,
Cheers
bye,
everybody.