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B
Hello,
it's
my
first
time
here,
I'm
actually
looking
for
some
help.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
the
agenda
is.
A
Yeah
me
neither,
I
haven't,
heard
any
topics
for
this
session,
yet.
A
Yeah
there's
nothing
on
the
agenda
today
yet
so
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
natalie
before
we
just
let
drive
the
discussion
here.
C
Oh,
no,
nothing
for
me!
Oh
I'll,
have
my
camera
off
because
I'm
just
starting
down
the
side
but
happy
to
participate
in
that
discussion.
A
Cool
well
yeah.
You
want
to
tell
us,
tell
us
about
what
you're
working
on
and
what
you.
What
you
need
to
know
from
us.
B
Cool
yeah,
so
I'm
working
on
creating
a
buildback
to
meet
a
need.
I
already
actually
posted
in.
I
think
it
was
the
cloud
cncf
slack
channel
or
slack,
maybe
in
pacquetto.
I
can't
even
remember
at
this
point,
anyways
I've
already
posted
a
question
in
daniel
mccusa
gave
me
some
responses
that
were
helpful
to
get
me
going.
So
essentially,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is.
B
So
I've
I've
kind
of
created
a
build
pack.
That
does
that.
But
what
I'm
finding
is
that
the
java
build
packs
are
conflicting
with
it,
like
maven
is
actually
trying
to
create
it's
actually
trying
to
run
maven,
because
the
palm
file
exists
when
the
app
directory
is
scanned,
so
that
was
helpful
advice.
So
what
I've
done
now
is
I'm
I'm
running
against
the
target
directory
only
and
like
essentially,
I've
actually
switched
to
using,
instead
of
the
base
builder,
I'm
using.
B
So
I
have
it
actually
sometimes
building
a
container
for
me,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
getting
the
java
part
included
in
that,
and
so
basically
I've
just
been
running
pack
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
trying
different
things
using
a
shell
script
to
go
into
the
container.
That's
running
these
build
and
detect
scripts
to
try
to
see
what's
going
on,
and
it's
just
not
really
working
out
the
way
I
want
it
to
so.
B
What
I
was
just
hoping
is:
if
somebody
could
help
me,
I
mean
like
I
would
prefer
not
to
have
my
screen
share
recorded,
but
whatever
it
is,
what
it
is
sure.
A
Yeah
yeah
so
general
guidance
for
from
me
at
least
on
this,
is
I
always
sort
of
start
by
creating
my
own
builder
from
an
existing
builder.
If
I'm
kind
of
adding
a
build
pack
that
lets
you
sort
of
control
the
order
in
which
bill
packs
are
executed
as
well.
A
So
there's
like
an
order
tomml
and,
like
you
said
you
can
kind
of
get
rid
of
bill
packs
that
maybe
don't
need
to
participate
in
in
your
sort
of
use
case
and
then
another
one
is
obviously
like
you
can,
like
pack,
has
the
ability
to
pass
an
explicit
build
pack,
so
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
all
of
them,
detecting
like
if
you
pass
in
pack
build
and
then
dash
dash,
build
back
and
you
give
it
a
bill
pack.
It
will
only
execute
that
build
pack.
A
It
will
create
an
order
tunnel
on
the
fly
and
only
execute
the
build
packs
you
pass
in.
So
if
you
wanted
to
lean
on
the
paquetto
bill
packs
or
whatever,
then
you
could
explicitly
use
your
bill
pack
and
then
the
java
bill
pack
or
reverse
the
order.
If
you
need
to
and
then
then
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
detection
from
other
build
packs
executing
that
you
sort
of
aren't
expecting
to
use
and
then
finally,
as
to
kind
of
make
your
iteration
loops
a
little
bit
faster.
A
What
I
like
to
do
is
actually
do
like
a
docker
run
on
the
builder
image
itself
and
then
run
cnb
lifecycle
creator
from
there,
pointing
to
like
a
local
registry
that
doesn't
require
any
author
authentication
and
that
kind
of
gets
packed
out
of
the
way
and
so
that
you're
kind
of
there
when
things
fail,
and
you
can
kind
of
inspect
the
environment
a
little
bit
and
kind
of
see.
What's
there,
you
can
see
like
the
layers
folders
that
have
been
created,
take
a
look
at
the
cache.
C
A
B
That's
okay.
I
mean
like
I'll,
share
my
screen.
It's
fine
because
I
don't
have
anything
sensitive,
but
so
to
address
some
of
the
things
you
said.
So
I
am
I'm
already
using
like
the
ordering
part.
I
agree
that
has
to
be
handled
right
and
so
I'm
using
a
pro
a
descriptor
file
to
set
all
that
stuff
up
and.
B
Yeah
and
in
terms
of
the
builder
I
actually
created
my
own
builder,
but
the
build
pack
list
base
one
seems
to
be
sufficient
just
to
test
this
stuff
out
because,
like
I'm
not
really
doing
anything
complicated
other
than
or
at
least
the
goal
is,
I
want
to
have
my
app
directory
scanned,
do
some
work
and
then
give
it
the
j,
the
java
runtime
environment
as
a
layer
and
I'm
finding
that
I'm
just
not
getting
that
layer.
B
So
I
don't
know
it
might
be
easier
for
me
to
show
you
guys
what
I'm
talking
about.
Yeah.
A
B
Cool-
and
I
know
I
can
see
javier
joined-
are
you
just
here
to
help
her?
Did
you
want
to
talk
about
something
else?
I
don't
want
to
hug
all
the
time.
No,
please
hug.
C
All
the
time
or
hog
all
the
time,
yeah
I'm
just
here.
B
B
Cool
all
right,
yeah
I
mean
I've
spent.
I
have
a
million
tabs
open.
I've
been
just
reading
through
documentation
and
lots
of
trial
and
error.
I've
made
progress,
but
just
not
where
I
want
to
be
so.
Let
me
share
my
screen.
A
C
A
A
Yeah,
it
sounded
like
you
weren't,
too,
annoyed
to
share
your
screen.
So
if
it's
easier
just
leave
it
on,
let's
just
do
that.
That's
fine.
B
Let
me
make
sure
it's
sharing
the
right
one.
You
can't
tell
which
one
I
was
just
sharing.
A
Yeah,
it's
a
I
saved
the
entire
desktop
with
like
the
project
v7
tumble
at
the
top.
Yes,
okay,
good.
B
This
is
good
all
right,
so
you
can
see
many
versions,
many
iterations
lots
of
trial
and
error.
Okay,
so
I'll
just
show
you
just
generally
high
level
what
I
have
so
I've
got
a
project
domino
file
and
I'm
doing
something.
This
doesn't
even
matter
anymore.
I've
changed
this
so
many
times.
This
part
matters
so.
B
This
is
the
bill
pack
I
created
and
then
the
goal
is
to
use
this
buildback
to
do
some
transformation
of
the
data
in
the
directory
and
then
to
get
the
java
one.
I've
tried
putting
this
above
it
and
below
it,
and
when
I
put
it
above
it
it
builds
me
a
container,
but
then
it
doesn't
get
the
right
version
of
java,
which
I'm
setting
inside
my
build
pack.
B
So
I'll
show
you
the
contents
of
that
anyways
and
then
there's
some
environment
variables
which
aren't
that
important,
okay,
so
here's
my
bin
and
basically
I'm
looking
for
a
file
and
if
that
file
exists,
then
I
want
to
do
some
stuff
and
transform
the
directory
so
that,
ultimately,
I
create
a
little
shell
script.
That
runs
my
application.
B
So
you
know
with
that
part
done.
Then
I
set
some
environment
variables
right
in
here.
I
write
them
to
there's
the
layer
and
then
I
create
a
directory
for
environment
and
I
just
set
all
these
environment
variables,
I'm
including
this
one
here
and
I've.
This
part
I've
actually
tested
separately,
and
I
know
this
works,
so
you
know
like
it's
not
like.
I
haven't
figured
this
part
out.
C
B
B
Anyhow
so
yeah
there's
that
and
then
I
actually
wanted
to
have
a
specific
startup
process.
So
I
have
this
launch.tamil
and
this
seems
to
work.
It
creates
me
a
script
and
everything
looks
good
and
then
I
started
adding
this
to
try
to
capture
the
java
runtime
environment,
but
it
you
know
well
I'll,
show
you
what
happens.
B
Okay,
so
that's
the
build
script.
Any
questions
before
I
show
you
the
other
one.
B
Oh
okay,
yeah,
that's
fine!
I
also
have
this
little
weight
script
loop.
That
lets
me
go
into
the
docker
container,
that's
running
and
poke
around
and
see
what
it's
doing,
but
I
haven't
commented
out
right
now:
wrong,
folder,
okay
and
then
my
detect
script.
It's
basically
just
looking
for
that
file
and
if
it
sees
it,
then
it's
going
to
set
this
plan
originally.
I
wasn't
even
doing
this,
but
I
started
adding
this
in
here
because
it
seems
to
be
required.
B
Okay,
cool,
so
so
yeah,
basically,
let's
uncomment
this
so
yeah,
I
say
I
want
it
to
detect
that
I
need
a
java,
runtime
environment,
but
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
catch-22
here
but
anyways
like
if
we
can
get
around
that
issue
like
I
won't
even
worry
about
it.
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
detect
that
and
then
yep
all
right.
B
So
that's
that's
that
and
when
I
run
this,
so
I'm
doing
pack
build
I'm
passing
it
the
builder
that
we
talked
about
build
pack
list
space,
my
descriptor
file,
the
path
and
then
just
the
name
of
this
thing:
okay,
cool!
So
if
I
run
this,
it's
just
gonna
fail,
or
at
least
I
think.
A
Back
I
didn't
see
anything
that
stood
out
is
like
problematic.
The
build
plan
stuff
is
so
this
is
going
to
be
specific
to
the
other
buildback
that
you're
relying
on
right.
Like
I
don't,
I
know
nothing
about
the
paquetto
java
bill
pack,
but
you
may
have
to
provide
more
things
here.
B
Yeah,
so
that's
a
good
point.
I
started
doing
that.
Like
I
looked
at
the
dependencies
and
it
looks
like
it
does
ca
search
and
sift
originally,
I
was
just
trying
to
have
it
use
this,
but
this
won't
work
unless
you
pass
it
in
a
zip
file.
For
some
reason.
That
might
be
another
thing
that
you
could
help
me
with,
or
I
don't
know
not
to
com
confuse
things,
but
it
it
seems
to
be
doing
what
I
want
like
I've.
B
Looked
at
that
java
meta
build
pack,
and
I
think
I
just
need
one
of
the
java
runtime
environments
like
these
this
I'll
probably
add
later
once
I
get
it
to
work,
sure,
yeah,
okay,
so
yeah,
so
your
results.
A
B
No,
so
the
palm
xml
that's
for
the
maven
build
pack
which
I'm
not
using.
I
think
this
this
build
pack,
all
it's
doing.
Is
it's
going
to
look
for.
You
know
what
let's
try
doing
this?
B
A
B
I
can't
change
this
jvm
version
in
there,
which
is
fine.
I'm
aware
of
that.
I
can
deal
with
it.
Okay,.
A
A
B
Yeah
is
that
because
actually
I
had
it
that
way
before
and
then
I
changed
it
to
this.
I
was
like
trying
different
things.
A
Yeah,
it
should
be
in
the
types
table
these
days
as
long
as
your
fill
pack
version
is
over
a
certain
all.
B
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
it
seemed
to
be
working
nice
nicely,
but
maybe
the
thing
I'm
trying
to
do
is
just
more
complicated
than
it.
Then
it
seems
to
be
on
the
surface.
I
don't
know.
A
A
B
A
B
Jre,
I
can
actually
stop
it
and
we
can
take
a
look,
but
let
me
just
show
you
so
I
was
able
to
build
this
thing
successfully.
C
B
B
Just
get
out
of
your
pack
inspect
that
yep.
So
that's
that's
all
good
and
there's
my
build
packs
everything
everything's
working.
So
if
I
go
into
the
container
now,
if
it
works,
I'm
gonna
be
like
really
irritated
yeah,
okay,
so
yeah,
there's
no
java
and
then
when
I
go
to
layers
only
my
stuff
is
there.
B
So
I
don't
know
what
config
is.
B
A
Right
would
be
the
layers
stuff.
So
if
you
go
down
to
the
exporter
down
there,
where
it
says
like
layer
whatever,
so
if
you
don't
see
yeah
adding
layer,
then
that
means
that
there
was
no
other
layers
added
from
any
other
build
packs,
except
for
the
app
layer
itself.
So
you've
got
adding
layer
stem
cell,
then
you've
got
adding
one
of
one
app
layer,
there's
no
other
and
then
everything
after
the
app
layer
is
like
sort
of
configuration
like
life
cycle,
cnb
things
like
launcher
config.
A
A
So
I
imagine
the
reason
this
one
succeeds
is
because
the
detect
passes,
but
then
there's
no
build
plan
asking
for
the
jre,
because
if
you
look
at
the
the
keto
build
packs,
azu
azul
zulu
thing,
it
says
that
it
participates
if
any
of
the
following
conditions
are
met.
Another
bill
pack
requires
either
the
jdk
or
the
jre,
but
but
I
guess
you
are
supposed
to
be
requiring
the
jre
right.
Isn't
that
your
build
plan.
B
A
A
B
Yeah
that
part
is
commented
out.
That's
a
good
point
that
was
trial
and
error
yeah.
So
this
is
what
I
was
hoping
to
do
anyway.
B
And
I
have
this
other
one
too.
I
commented
this
like
they
both
basically
just
provide
jre
or
jdk
either.
One
of
these-
I
don't
know
why
we're
using
this
one,
but
this
is
what
we
started
messing
with
when
we
were
using
build
packs.
B
So,
okay,
anyhow
yeah,
if
I
put.
A
I
see
I
see
I
I
see
the
documentation.
I
think
that
we're
missing,
if
you
scroll
down
just
a
little
bit
on
the
left
there
yep
so
right
here
right
at
the
very
bottom
of
your
screen.
It
says
if
metadata.launch
equals
true
marks
the
layers
launch.
A
B
It
be
in
just
the
layers
build
actually,
no,
I
think
you
want
it
right.
A
Yeah,
it's
in
the
detect
it's
going
to
be
in
the
in
the
plan
and
it's
going
to
be
a
metadata
table
right,
yeah.
A
A
B
Yes,
thank
you.
Sorry,
I'm
just
multitasking
here
trying
to
might.
A
C
B
A
Yeah,
but
you
could
have
another
build
pack
before
this,
that
sets
the
environment
variable
through
the
buildback
mechanism
to
set
that
jvm
version.
But
you,
like
you
know,
if
you
don't
need
java
to
run
yeah
anyway,
you
could
probably
make
like
a
before
and
after
sort
of
build
pack
to
to
be
able
to
like
extract
what
you
need
to
do
set
up
some
information
for
the
upcoming
one,
but
a
lot
of
that's
supposed
to
happen
through
the
build
plan
anyway.
A
So
maybe
this
one
has
a
way
for
you
to
like
set
it
through
metadata,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
it.
B
I
mean
this
is
already
much
better
okay,
so
whatever
it
failed
yeah
I
knew
I
was
gonna
hit
this
at
some
point.
A
That's
what
I
always
do
something
like
that
or
something
I
don't
know.
A
B
A
C
A
Now
now,
whether
it's
the
right
one
or
not,
part
of
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion,
probably
with
the
pocketo
billback
folks
like
if
you
need
a
way
to
request
a
jre
version
with
your
bill
pack
coming,
you
know
before,
like
the
metadata
is
kind
of
the
bill
plan.
A
Is
the
place
to
usually
do
that
so
like
just
like
you're
able
to
ask
it
to
put
it
in
a
launch
layer
like
maybe
you
could
put
in
an
issue
or
pull
request
or
something
to
like
accept
a
version
through
the
build
plan
as
well
in
addition
to
the
invar
so
that
you
can.
Actually,
when
you
write
that
build
plan
say
I
need
jre
version
8
or
whatever.
A
A
Already
have
a
detect
running
right,
like
you
already
know,
like
the
bill
plan,
is
supposed
to
kind
of
be
the
place
to
do
that.
I
think,
like
you,
can
do
what
you're
saying
like
seven
invar
and
then
the
next
bill
pack
should
read
from
it
and
understand
that
you
want
that
version,
but,
like
you,
it
would
be
nice
if
you
could
just
do
it
all
in
the
plan
be
like.
A
B
B
So
all
we
have
is
a
couple
of
files
in
here,
but
in
this
directory
there
might
be
jar
files
or
war
files,
and
I
would
also,
I
think,
use
it
at
the
executable
jar
build
pack,
that's
a
picato
one
where
it
will
read
the
contents
of
it
and
then
extract
it.
B
A
A
So
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
bill
pack.
That's
that's
happening
there,
but
if
you
were
to
make
your
own
builder,
you
could
make
a
group
and
then
all
and
then
they
could
all
be
optional,
yep,
okay,
right
and
where
yours
could
be
required
and
then
the
other
ones
would
be
optional
and
then
like
they
would
be
able
to
skip.
But
as
it
stands
right
now,
I
think
that
anything
that
if
the
other
one
were
to
fail,
because
there
wasn't
a
jar,
then
you
would
your
whole
build
would
fail
because
it
didn't.
A
B
C
A
Same
thing
with
the
project
tumble
project
tom
was
really
only
processed
by
pac.
So
if
you
were
to
like
move
this
to
kubernetes
currently
like
you
would
end
up
having
to
have
a
kind
of
a
prepare
step
that
would
read
this
project
tommle
and
then
pass
those
bill
backs
into
the
life
cycle,
execution
directly.
Yeah.
B
Cool
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
because
I
think
I've
sure
gotten
my
questions
answered.
Is
there
any
like?
I
know
that
the
spec
there's
a
lot
of
documentation
on
the
spec
and
different
fill
packs
and
stuff,
but
is
there
like
a
documentation
or
some
kind
of
blog
post
or
something
that
says
like
you
know
these
files
do
this
these
files?
B
Do
that,
like
that's,
maybe
in
shell,
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more
accessible
to
people
who
aren't
using
go
and
are
not
using
like
the
lib
pack
or
packet
module
whatever
it's
called.
A
B
Okay,
so
yeah,
I
guess
just
keep
looking
through
that
and
trial
and
error
yeah.
C
B
C
We
do
have
this
build
pack
api
section
in
the
reference
section
of
the
box.
I
don't
know
if
you
encountered
that
already
or
if
it
is
really.
You
know
comprehensive
enough
to
answer
your
questions,
but
I
think
that.
B
C
B
I
did
find
that,
and
that
was
like
a
great
place.
I
think
the
part
that's
missing
is
you
know
I
got
the
the
the
requires
part
in
there,
but
then
the
metadata
part
I
was
missing,
and
maybe
I
just
need
to
write
this
all
down,
but
maybe
like
maybe
what
what
is
missing
is
like
just
a
simple
tutorial.
It
says
like
do
x,
y
and
z,
and
you
get
this
result,
but
that
might
be
more
for
my
benefit
than
for
others.
A
A
So
it's
going
to
be
bill
pack
specific
documentation
that
you're
going
to
have
to
hunt
through
and
sift
through,
and
whether
it's
even
documented
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
times
these
are
meant
to
work
together,
kind
of
in
concert,
because
there's
a
lot
like
a
group
of
10
build
packs
that
sort
of
loosely
relate
to
each
other,
and
hopefully
they're
documented
well.
But
the
provides
requires
is
one
of
those
more
flexible
apis
that
we
have,
which
means
that
you
can
kind
of
do
whatever
you
want
between
your
groups
of
build
packs.
B
C
A
That's
right,
usually,
these
meetings
are
just
kind
of
folks
that
are
in
the
other
meetings
who
use
it
as
an
extra
meeting
spot.
So
it's
it's
nice
to
have
someone
who
had
some
questions
and
get
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
outside
process
and
stuff.
Hey.
C
Hey
guys,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me
if
my
work's
working
properly
is
am
I
coming
through
yep
nice,
hey
thanks
for.
Let
me
join
office
hours
here
jesse,
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
me
or
not,
but
I'm
a
former
csa
at
heroku.
C
I
don't
have
to
recognize
the
name
or
not,
but
I
am
trying
to
do
something
with
clarinet
buildpax
and
I
was
hoping
to
get
some
guidance
or
answer
some
questions
just
like.
I
think
you
were
a
second
ago.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
kind
of
emulate
the
kind
of
heroku
build
process
just
using
cloud
native,
build
packs,
and
so
obviously
we've
got
the
heroku
builder
that
I
can
use
really
easily.
C
But
the
thing
that
I'd
like
to
do
on
top
of
that
is
to
be
able
to
use.
You
know
heroku
build
packs
since
there's
a
pretty
huge
library
of
those
build
packs
out
there
and
I'm
running
into
kind
of
two
problems
with
this.
First
of
all,
the
one
is
the
pack
command
kind
of.
C
Encode,
of
course,
I
don't
have
my
zoom
settings
set
up,
probably
at
one
second.
C
A
C
Yeah
so
I
tried,
I
tried
to
use
one
of
like
the
like
lincoln's
old,
mono
repo
build
pack
as
part
of
that
shim,
and
it's
not
available
through
that
shim,
and
then
I
tried
to
clone
it,
clone
that
repo
and
kind
of
publish
it
myself
to
the
registry
to
see
if
I
could
use
it,
and
it
looks
like
it's
not
possible,
there's
something
broken
in
the
heroic
registry
right
now
to
be
able
to
publish
that
using
the
shim.
B
C
Of
the
repo
and
so
right,
obviously,
if
I
try
to
run
a
pack
command
like
this,
it
just
fails
because
it
can't
find
the
code.
Obviously
I
could
pass
the
path
parameter
to
that,
but
I
also
want
to
do
this
in
a
repeatable
way.
So
I'm
using
things
like
the
techcon
and
the
clinic
build
you
know,
build
process
there,
and
so
getting
that
variable
into
that.
Tecton
task
is
not
straightforward,
and
so
I
was
hoping
that
there
was
some
way
I
could
either
leverage.
C
C
If
I,
if
I
back
up
a
couple
steps
here,
if
I
like,
like,
I
have
a
build
pack
kind
of
locally,
but
I
haven't
been
able
to
get
this
to
work
with
that
shim
layer
that
you
were
talking
about
and
in
addition
like,
there
was
no,
I
couldn't
get
any
of
the
those
shim
layers
working
or
any
of
those
build
packs
working
through
that
shim
layer.
So,
for
example,
let
me
also
share
my
my
browser.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
think
there's
any
way
now
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
don't
think
a
build
pack
can
change
like
the
cmb
app
directory
and
that's
where
that's
what
gets
passed
to
all
the
like
ben
detect
and
ben
executions,
and
so
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
way
to
like
your
bill
pack
would
essentially
have
to
like
execute
the
other
bill.
Packs
itself.
I
think
in
past.
Well.
C
What
I
was
hoping
to
do
like
what
we
used
to
what
we've
done
before
in
heroku
was
essentially
be
able
to
set
like
an
app
base
as
part
of
as
part
of
this
build
pack.
So
I
was
hoping
to
reuse
something
like
this
and
I
believe,
like
the
shim
was
something
like.
I
still
have
it
open.
I
might
have
closed
it.
C
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
the
I
think
if
you
were
to
give
that
to
it's
https
only
by
the
way,
I
think
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
currently
and
it
does
hps
okay
good.
So
I
think
you
try
to
give
that
url
to
pack
when
you
do
a
pack
build
okay
and
just
do
like
dash,
build
pack
area
exactly
and
then
give
it
the
full
url
like.
I
think
something
like
that
yeah.
A
C
I
clone
I
cloned
it
as
well
yeah
and
yeah
like
there's
something
there's
just
something
going
on
there
with
the
shim
layer,
obviously
not
necessarily
a
cnb
thing,
but
maybe
yeah
yeah,
yeah
yeah
for
sure
and
so
and
the
other
question
that
I
had
was.
If
I
use
the
heroku
builder
right
like
like
it,
has
all
the
the
build
packs
in
here.
A
A
C
Like
slash
node,
js,.
C
C
A
Yeah,
I
wonder
if
someone
changed
something
it
didn't
and
didn't
update
the
docs
or
whatever.
You
can
definitely
hit
me
up
on
the
cncf
okay
slack
and
I
can
I
can
poke
at
whoever
owns
that
now
I
can
figure
out
like
it's
no
longer
my
team,
so
sure
I
don't.
I
don't
know
why
it's
getting
a
400,
but.
C
No,
I
I
get
it
I
understand.
I
remember
yeah
yeah
all
right
so
that
I
will
keep.
I
will
keep
tinkering
with
this.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
the
guides.
Yeah
awesome.
A
B
Let
me
ask
a
quick
question
before
we
drop,
if
that's
all
right,
so
when
you
create
a
builder,
it's
not
actually
taking
the
build
and
run
images
and
storing
them
inside
the
builder
right.
It's
just
like
referencing
them.
A
B
A
A
Yeah
as
long
as
you
rebuilt
yours,
all
the
time
right
like
because
the
the
reference
to
the
run
image
is
on
the
paquetto
builder
right,
so
you'd
have
to
pull
and
rebuild
yours
frequently
as
well.
If
I'm
understanding
that
correctly,
because
I
doubt
it's
doing
a
floating
tag,
it's
probably
like
a
digest
tag
for
the
run
image.
B
A
Yeah
and
if,
depending
on
your
platform
like
if
you're
continuing
to
use
pack,
then
like
you
can
then
like
maybe
overriding
the
builder,
it
may
or
may
not
make
sense
for
you
to
do
it.
A
That
way,
I
know
you're
talking
about
doing
the
optional
stuff,
like
maybe
you
can
like
volume
mount
over
and
order
tunnels
on
top
to
kind
of
like
just
change
the
so
that
you're
always
using
the
paquetto
builder
technically,
but
then
you've
supplied
your
own
order,
tomo
file
like
just
using
like
the
because
I
think
pack
has
volume
mounting
right
out
here.
I
think.
B
A
It
exists
in
the
builder,
but
if
you
I
was
just
thinking
like,
if
you
could
abuse
the
pack
volume
mounting
to
like
put
your
own
order
tommle
in
place,
it
would
end
up
using
your
order
tunnel
that
you
have
nice.
C
C
And
you're
trying
to
create
a
custom
order,
not
just
because
you're
trying
to
add
your
build
pack,
but
because
you
want
to
have
optional.
Build
packs
as
well.
Is
that
right.
B
B
A
I've
I've
often
wanted
the
project
tommo
as
well
as
pack
to
be
able
to
specify
optional
when
you
specify
a
build
pack
for
this
very
reason
right,
because
sometimes
you
want
to
like
play
around
with
like
a
new
build
back
and
then
not
affect
not
require.
You
know,
detection
for
the
other
ones
that
you're
specifying,
but
I
don't
think
it's
been
put
on
any
road
map
or
anything
especially.
B
All
right,
well,
I
can
give
you
guys
10
minutes
back.
I
know
time
is
precious.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it.