Cloud Native Computing Foundation App Delivery Special Interest Group, 20 May 2020

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CNCF App Delivery 2020-05-20

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Hello boys, can you hear me.

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Yes, I, can you sorry now people are showing up.

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And so Harry I can hear you now I couldn't hear and see, don't see anybody right before that one. So everybody please add yourself again to the meeting you slept, which is posted here after mega chat momentarily.

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So, let's maybe wait a couple more minutes and see what about more people are joining for the meeting today.

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Okay, since we have a lot of people joining today, Harry I saw that you typed some updates in there too. Let's just briefly go over the updates here and the system most likely going to be a quick meeting adult, whereas a more complete tenant the next time, especially from the working group, chicks that wanna taste, okay, so automatic.

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Just as we say, hey, we have the N here with Kris here.

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I always appreciate your background alloys thank.

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You that's why my best you.

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Get me every time, I'm like really no okay, no, no.

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Yeah, we don't have a lot of people joining today. I still would go over the meeting and I take it as next. Nothing for me to ensure that the working group leaders are showing up and presenting back but I'll take this one off line. Obviously I'll just start with some quick ones.

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Last meeting we discussed about questions on the landscape, so the outcome was that people had said: okay before active talking about the landscape and landscape definitions, let's define end-user answers and there was a lot of enthusiasm to say yes, I know exactly which questions we are dealing with, what we're deploying applications with what here's a little breakdown so far, I have not will be talking any input on that one I also posted it again post it down the mailing list, I'm happy to push it forward just for the people over here.

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Please provide your input in there moving this forward last time. It was a lot of people who brought this up and the point is to share their input, but so far we haven't received anything. The question was: how is it structure the landscapes of this park? To later on, project.

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Scopes of the project or a specific questions that the end users approaching us and the idea was here around end users.

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We don't have anybody for air gap and operated joining us today. Let me just share my screen. Just realised I mean I.

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Think that the biggest fear is for this operator to avoid working group was the operator definition document and I work on this with the team. It seems like there's like massive number of comments on the dock that need to be worked into this and get into a stable form. We should be in a stable form, already I'll put back that you could really have something within the next two weeks that we can leave you and send off to a broader audience here, but it doesn't seem to be a lot of input here.

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I'll talk to the working group cheers to clean up the document here and moving it forward hey. This is for that one.

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Nobody's here they had a presentation from XenApp again for air gap. I can repeat what we discussed the last time. If you have best practices for younger delivery, please share them with the air gap working group they're. Looking for examples, we have currently one from krei, which is currently the only one, and if you have best practices, maybe Diane. This would also be something for rectus. You muriatic as a best practice for ill-kept installation of of kubernetes filter somebody within bracket who wanted to share the best practices. That would be awesome. Okay, when.

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Is the air gap working group meet.

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Its meeting every other Friday at a time- that's brutal for me, but should be fine for you, so efficiency is yes. Calendar.

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Friday, for me, it's 7:00 p.m. which makes it 11, yeah, Friday, 7 p.m. is really awful for me, but the good thing is I think it makes it on the East. Coast I think it's 11.

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Yeah I'm on West Coast time, I, look.

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And see who is the chair for the air gap? One it's.

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Jeremy Richert I was thinking that the Charter here so.

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Just throw the link to that into into my into the chat, and that would be great.

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See if I can Sean Hurley will always talk about that. So.

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So the other support here.

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Chechen scheme, yes,.

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I'm just soon confused right now, one should assume that not to be spending so much time on zoo. We know where we're on this so.

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Link, that's the Charter. They.

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Also have so what you're looking for someone to talk about best practices for air gap? Yes,.

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They figured they document from Crais on how to deploy it binary, so good they're, focusing on Cuba leaders and the next step will be applications running on kubernetes. But how long do we install using the air gap environment like with all the problems that come from it I? Can't it access the public container registry and all things that come with it? Let me see what I can do yeah so like reaching out to Jeremy would be a good starting point here.

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Looking for information on installing kubernetes itself in an air-gapped environment, not just applications, that's.

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What they decided to do they wanted to go for kubernetes first and then for applications and leaves as its the bootstrapping issue. If we can't get coupon it is there. How do you get that vacations on the standards of the working group decided, but eventually, because suppose you to look into both.

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Met profile, picture and zoom is confusing, but looks like you actually have a camera turned off that you don't have your camera toward our camera turned on and that's deliberate see more people doing this right now. Okay,.

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That's not a lot of updates, so here you were topping it up, play-doh eggs! Do you want to talk about where we are on this one yeah.

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So I think the issue is quite tricky because we we actually gotten feedback from toz and the community that we do have a technician of any user or the adapters. Those definitions are very simple. Just saying that any unit to not still cannot clone alien technology. Well, in this case, this actually means our criteria for incubation project. You need really need some room. Is it because it says it must have three at least adapters? They are. They have to be any users, but actually they are projects, for example on a t-bill CAC.

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The adapters are mostly vendors according to this definition, so the best kind of node in the users either doctor most of them are Google, Cloud or linear or Microsoft cloud. So that is the issue, and we may want to discuss. Oh, oh, we can just already because just a pastor- maybe this week already built at, do didn't, conduct to toc, because the rest of the doc is just I. Think it's already good. The only issue is that the criteria section is not, and now it's not fitting to the incubation label.

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Honestly speaking, but I think the issue is I think we also have internal speaking. Videos is that maybe we want to change the criteria, but this is again others in the scope of stick aptly I. Think right. That is a yes.

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I agree: I think this is definitely huge. Secret II find her OTC end users, and there are obviously protests for over cm. Let's book that way, an end user should be somebody who is a like in not selling cloud native technologies and using the product and using the open-source project. In this case, it is mostly obviously kept for my purse, because that's what bell pegs and masses are used for negative did.

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He is for it to you see if you eventually decide, but they should usually have problems coming up with somebody who uses Bill Pegg as the primary way to build their containers. Yeah.

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That's you so so I think. Maybe all added is the recommendation or comments in the you diligent dark. Then we can past clone ad bill back to TSA to do the final revaluation. So we cannot do further recommendation at the stage of its this big yeah.

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And also take the calculators this case also the ones which are the main contributor. So it seems it looks right now like a very closely persistent, but eventually it's up to the to see to this item on this yeah.

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Yeah the second questions about sandbox projects and yeah I think that's.

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Yeah the situation.

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We have to wait out right now, so maybe we can give the sig here and update, because not everybody might have to use equals sure. Do.

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We have time line for the newsstand about the first days, mask I'm, not sure about it.

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Not yet we are currently in discussions, so, okay.

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So so I think it suggestion to be temporary. Hold the upcoming projects, donation right.

E

Know, what's actually not true, um things are still rolling as they are going. This was presented two weeks ago at the TOC meeting. We talked again about it yesterday and we're still kind of working through some of the details, but at the moment no one is on hold as far as being able to take projects in I mean.

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For the upcoming new project, so there are still other projects. You know we thought that they are pushing like they seek so should we just make them present and present and then gonna be the normal process. Yes, okay, I got it.

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Is there a plan from the TOC to update the project.

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Still working about around like the existing sandbox proposals and the existing sandbox project, so I anticipate this is gonna, be at least another month or so you.

D

Think it would be ready by June.

E

Well, given is June is in like two weeks, probably not.

E

Our next year, see meeting is going to be a June 2nd. So this is actually a great opportunity to be able to say: hey so get delivery. You'll be presenting there I'd love to be able to.

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Bring it up again because.

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Part of this process and.

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So this is an item I added, so I'm, actually I'm trying to approaching there were other projects. Music using this era and I noticed akima akima is actually I think it speaks to stake out the balcony we very little, but it got ricotta rejects the proposal stage, but at that time we do not have a state mechanism, actually so I'm, not sure, there's any valuation we clean. We want them to do a presentation or it's done so.

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Third, one I.

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Think I looked at it is for the it's done. Mostly persevere, right, yeah.

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It's a project from ASAP.

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I would I think, irrespective of whether we take them in as a project into sea. Captain every I think it would be good for them to present like on some of their at the core concept. How do you do things she promised to Museum where they presented the last time?

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It would be I think definitely good to have a presentation, because this is an active audience that is interested in what you're doing so I'm hoping to even have the presentation, even if you think well we're not sure where we want to be part of CN CF r enough, but having F delivery, related projects make sense and technically be almost empowered to see not just technical TM parts to CN CF landscape because they know opens was a project by one of the CNCs members, so I think even for this, the sake of discussion I think it makes sense to present there do.

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You know somebody as.

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If, from from FEMA, not.

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Yet but I'm trying to talk with them, I hope they can do some presentation in the sake, because I I personally think they are actually in the scope of this very well. So, let's see.

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In case, you need some pointers to si P if they don't reply by the meeting, the stuntwomen, OS, okay.

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Some of the count, people and SAT in to help there, okay.

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Sure sure I don't have contact contact people for now. I won't try to approach the on it. So all right, I feel right. I will talk to you, yeah.

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Get people to open on the issue from here and then I can do.

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Because I don't really want to do a vote with like a million of these but I will you know.

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We have some people, wingy likes peace or what's the ants, what have to do I.

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So yeah, let's get people trying you have some people weighing in and then restricted to those like the top three and then take those I.

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Would also ask myself: okay, I, think that's pretty much everything we had on the agenda for today.

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How do you ever think about? Maybe we can change the the C gap near a questionnaire for less give to a Google Form, so we can send out to people to fill instead of working on this documentation. Do you think that.

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All right that.

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Would be easy, I can do that. Okay, yeah.

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I think the formal go be either for people to feel we need. We can send it to everyone, they can. We got feedback yeah.

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Hopefully we get a bit more houses still shared with people yeah.

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Alright, that we don't have anything else on the agenda for today.

B

Okay, I'll keep I'll back there at the workgroup just to have a bit more 2% for the next two weeks. Wait two weeks from now. Okay, then, let's call it I'm.

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Sorry I just jump in at the end, so my name is Akash I'm just here, actually not for a reason of kheema for totally different reasons. Just wanted to show us to see how he work but and I heard Harry mentioned keema. So I was actually working in chemo a few months back. I know.

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Contact points from keema that I can give you, so we should probably sing somehow or find okay, so I think I can approach you do this lag right: yeah, I'm, I'm! Still on my available.

A

Okay, yeah I will try to ping you today. So I can get some detail about this project. Maybe you guys can't do a presentation in the future yeah.

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Yeah, okay, then that's it for today assume thanks. Everyone see you in two weeks, all.

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