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From YouTube: Chaos Engineering WG Meeting - 2018-05-10
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A
A
C
A
A
So
cool:
that's
someone
from
Pulaski,
okay,
cool
awesome,.
A
A
E
F
A
A
Meet
you
Karthik.
Thank
you,
alright.
So
it's
about
five
minutes
past
generally
kind
of
the
buffer.
We
give
folks
so
I
I
kind
of
want
to
thank
everyone
for
attending
this
kind
of
bootstrapping,
meaning
for
building
a
chaos.
Engineering
working
group,
in
particular
I,
like
kind
of
like
to
thank
you,
know,
Sylvain
and
then
Tammy.
A
You
know
kind
of
what
our
expected
outcomes-
and
you
know
how
we'll
be
forming
this
over
the
next
few
months,
but
before
we
fully
get
started,
might
as
well
introduce
myself
so
many
presenters
I
got
the
fun
job
of
running
the
CNC
F.
You
know
cloud
native
computing
foundation,
that's
part
of
the
Linux
Foundation,
so
it's
been
kind
of
an
interesting
journey.
A
Seeing
this
foundation
grow
over
the
last
couple
of
half
years,
so
we've
kind
of
have
all
major
cloud
providers
involved
with
a
variety
of
kind
of
startups
that
are
operating
in
the
container
and
cloud
native
space.
So
you
know
that's
me
so
I
know
some
of
you
have
met
your
names,
but
I'd
love
to
kind
of
go
around
and
you
know
feel
free
to
say
something
a
little
bit
about
yourself,
where
you
work
and
kind
of
how
you're
involved
with
chaos,
engineering.
I
J
G
G
Brian
Hammonds
solutions,
architected
awls,
so
I
was
over
at
CN
CF
and
was
able
to
kind
of
sit
in
to
one
of
the
workshops,
and
I
was
really
resonated
with
me.
So
I'm
actually
kubernetes
SME
over
here,
so
I
want
to
kind
of
see
how
how
it
kind
of
applies
with
with
that
type
of
containerized
methodology
and
kind
of
explore
that
a
little
bit
more
awesome.
K
D
Is
a
even
Cockroft
here,
AWS
been
talking
about
chaos,
engineering
and
the
architectures
for
this
for
a
while
and
been
talking
to
you
know,
Sylvain
also,
the
board
read
for
CNCs
and
I've
been
working
with
a
room.
They
were
good
to.
The
two
of
us
are
kind
of
in
the
key
C&C
have
people
at
AWS.
So
let's
see
this
container.
E
E
H
So
I'm
abuse
posed
by
chaos,
cube
Pumbaa,
it's
a
tram
for
and
in
the
startup
it's
been
before.
Cube
corn
was
really
interested
with
what
they
were
going
to
do
with
chaos.
Engineering
looking
at
here's
engineering
as
a
tool
to
as
a
method
to
just
the
vessel
in
C
of
P
storage
solution
non.
This
rope,
maybe
is
for
stapler
bar
close
and
gentle.
Oh.
L
F
This
is
Deepak
sannyasin
I'm
from
Kaplan
I'm,
a
software
engineer
here,
so
chaos
engineering
has
been
evolving
in
our
organization
here,
it'd
be
doing
some
exercises
a
production
level.
We
have
a
homegrown
solution
as
well,
but
I'm
also
interested
in
partnering
with
the
community
and
then
talk
about
the
best
practices
and
collaborate
here.
M
N
C
Hey
I'm
that
for
Nasseri
I'm,
a
CTO
and
co-founder
gremlin,
which
is
aimed
at
bringing
chaos
engineering
to
the
masses.
I
got
my
roots
in
cows,
engineering
back
in
2010
over
at
Amazon,
when
we
were
running
game
days,
it's
on
the
retail
website,
so
that
was
real
fun
to
see
back
in
about
early
early
days.
C
O
O
P
B
Hey
this
is
silver,
so
I'm
just
here
to
balance
Americans
versus
Europeans,
now
I'm,
a
city
of
chaos,
IQ-
and
you
know
the
main
maintainer
of
kill,
circuit
and
I
was
doing
those
strokes.
You
saw
at
copán
again
there
you
go.
A
A
A
So
you
kind
of
keep
moving
forward
with
this
and
then
just
is
kind
of
opening
up
the
questions
to
kind
of
share.
What
people
feel
about
this
group
so
feel
free
to
stop
me
at
any
time.
If
you
have
any
questions,
but
let's
let's
kind
of
get
going,
so
there
are
introductions,
cass
engineering,
so
you
know,
like
I
said
you
know,
you
know
me
being
kind
of
new
to
this
space.
It's
been
interesting
to
kind
of
see
the
interest
in
the
CN
CF
membership
community.
A
You
know
around
chaos,
engineering
and
you
know
from
from
my
perspective,
you
know:
Cass
Engineering
is
basically
table
stakes
for
building
like
large
cloud
native
resilient
systems.
You
kind
of
really
need
to
have
a
chaos
engineering
practice
to
ensure
that
these
systems
are
are
resilient,
so
I've
been
doing
some.
You
know
explorations
in
the
community
learning
a
little
bit
more
about
the
tools,
the
history
and
so
on.
I
found
this
crazy.
A
You
know
coggle
diagram,
that
someone
put
together
kind
of
linking
the
different
commuting,
different
tools
out
there,
so
huge
thank
you
to
whoever
do
whoever
kind
of
put
that
together
cuz.
It
kind
of
helped
help
me
a
little
bit
to
kind
of
understand
some
history
and
folks
involved
in
the
community.
So
a
little
background
for
folks
of
you
know
what
is
CNC
F.
We
were
founded
about.
Oh
boy,
it's
been
like
about
two
and
a
half
three
years
kind
of
late,
December
2015.
A
You
know
basically
with
the
intention
to
be
a
home
for
Kirby
Nettie's,
which
is
a
fairly
popular
orchestration
platform,
but
also
to
be
a
home
for
more
than
just
urban
at
ease.
So
essentially,
the
idea
was
to
promote
notion
of
cloud
native
computing,
which
essentially
means
running
services,
package
and
containers
at
high
scale,
and
you
know,
we've
kind
of
grown
to
accommodate
a
variety
of
projects
and
working
groups
to
kind
of
help.
You
know
accommodates
this.
This
mission
of
cloud
native
computing.
We
have
over
200
members
a
variety
of
companies
involved.
A
A
All
right,
I'll
soon
know
so
you
know
moving
on.
You
know
really
two
things.
You
know
we're
in
neutral
home
for
collaboration.
You
know
across
companies
organizations
you
know
whether
they're
you
know
academic
or
research
focused
or
just
businesses.
So
we
have
a
set
of
values
that
I
expect.
You
know
a
working
group
to
kind
of
follow.
That
is
consistent.
You
know
with
CNC
F,
so
I
listed
them
here
on
this
slide,
but
you
know
simply
just
basic
things
like
you
know:
we're
open
and
we're
fair,
there's
kind
of
no
way
to
play
things.
A
We
have
a
strong
technical
identity
associated
with
our
efforts,
we're
platform
and
cloud
agnostics
and
and
so
on,
so
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
kind
of
spin
this
up
so
CNC
of
working
groups.
You
know:
we've
had
a
handful
of
these
within
C
and
C
F.
You
know,
essentially,
the
purpose
of
these
things
are
basically
to
study
a
particular
focus
area
and
kind
of
make
recommendations
to
the
wider
community
and
our
kind
of
technical
board
on
you
know.
A
You
know
potential
project
ideas,
maybe
producing
kind
of
a
landscape
of
the
different
technologies
out
there
or
even
kind
of
like
a
white
paper
just
detailing
like
what
is
this
particular.
You
know
topic
area,
so
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
concrete
example
of
kind
of
how
this
works
with
in
CNC
F.
Is
we
recently
spun
up
a
service
working
group?
It's
probably
been
about
a
year.
A
You
could
feel
free
to
look
at
it
on
github,
but
it's
in
they
produced
two
things
that
are
kind
of
like
this
working
group
to
to
kind
of
help
produce.
One
was
a
simple
like
kind
of
lexicon
white
paper
of
different
terminology
involved
in
chaos.
Engineering.
You
know
from
talking
to
a
lot
of
folks
on
this
column
within
a
community
I've
realized
like
there's
even
different,
different
aspects
of
chaos.
A
Engineering,
you
know,
I
was
introduced
to
there's
some
crazy
folks
kind
of
using
doing
like
security,
focused
chaos,
engineering
well,
they're,
purposely
introducing
security
issues
to
kind
of
see.
You
know
how
their
systems
react,
which
is
I
thought
was
pretty
cool,
so
basically
working
to
kind
of
define
these
different
areas.
In
a
paper
that
we
kind
of
share
with
the
wider
community
would
be
awesome,
you
could
kind
of
look
what
the
service
folks
did.
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
good
example
to
go
on.
A
Another
thing
is
almost
every
CN
CF
member
that
has
a
fairly
large
cluster
of
you
know
a
kubernetes
cluster,
whatever
they're
using
certainly
has
created
a
tool
so
like
the
folks
from
Bloomberg
written
from
eco,
have
created
up
how
powerful
steel
is
a
bunch
of
other
ones
out
there
that
kind
of
been
created
so
just
kind
of
indexing
and
cataloging
the
different
solutions
out
there.
We
have
this
notion
of
a
landscape
in
CN
CF,
so
I
linked
to
it.
If
you
go
to
s
dot,
CN
CF
thought.
A
Oh,
you
could
see
all
the
service
ones,
but
I'd
love
to
produce
something
for
the
different
chaos
engineering
projects
out
there
that
kind
of
been
collected
and
built.
You
know
over
over
the
years,
so
I'm
looking
for
help,
especially
from
this
community,
to
kind
of
help.
This
kind
of
build
this
out
so
before
I
move
forward.
Oh,
this
is
the
chaos
or
this
is
the
service
landscape
example.
To
kind
of
want
to
see
like
a
concrete
of
how
this
looks
like
so
before,
I
can
I
move
forward.
B
A
So
yeah
so
generally
the
word
the
the
way
it
works
is.
You
know
we're
essentially
what
we
consider
in
bootstrapping
phase,
so
we're
getting
together
a
bunch
of
people
that
are
interested
in
forming
a
working
group.
You
know
I,
from
the
cnc
of
staff,
will
kind
of
help
drive
this
kind
of
in
the
bootstrapping
phase.
Eventually,
we'll
have
someone
from
our
technical
board.
We
call
the
TOC
that
will
sponsor
the
working
group
and
kind
of
be
involved
with
it,
but
kind
of
like
we're
in
wearing
this.
A
Like
bootstrap
information
phase,
I'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
work
paired
with
you
know.
Whoever
else
is
interested
in
helping
drive
this.
Sometimes
we
have
a
like
a
working
group
chair.
So,
if
there's
folks
that
are
interested
working
with
me
and
kind
of
you
know
setting
up
the
basic
agenda,
meaning
minutes
and
all
kind
of
all
the
boring
stuff
behind
the
scenes.
A
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
volunteers,
but
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
drive
things
while
we
kind
of
get
things
grown
and
I
know
that
I
think
Sylvain
and
Tami
have
both
expressed
interest
in
helping
kind
of
chair
or
kind
of
move
things
along,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
volunteers
from
the
community.
Does
that
answer
your
question
a
little
bit
or
no
does.
A
Cool,
so
so
moving
on,
so
you
know
I
kind
of
talked
about
this,
a
little
bit
of
why
we're
essentially
doing
this
like
I
mentioned,
like
you
know,
at
any
scale,
most
of
our
members
kind
of
have
experienced
either.
You
know,
wit,
chaos.
Engineering
have
written
their
own
tools,
I've
listed
a
couple,
at
least
from
you
know
that
are
kubernetes
centric,
but
there's
you
know.
A
People
have
obviously
built
chaos,
engineering
tools,
you
know
all
different
types
of
systems,
but
smallest
here,
the
other
kind
of
I
guess
you
know,
sulfus
interest
I
have
is
I've,
noticed
a
trend
where
there
are
cloud
providers
out
there
that
have
started
to
offer
bas
engineering
api's
for
a
lack
of
a
better
term.
So,
like
you
know,
juror,
for
example,
has
like
this.
You
know:
chaos,
engineering,
API,
wicked,
start,
chaos,
stop
chaos
and
producer
report.
A
I,
don't
know
if
other
cloud
providers
are
offering
this
I
have
not
dived
in
I,
don't
know
maybe
Adrian
to
share
from
the
from
the
AWS
side.
But
I
I
expect
this
to
be
a
continuing
trend
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
kind
of
get
together
and
maybe
you
know
help
you
know
you
know
right
out
of
spec
or
have
a
kind
of
a
standard
interface
in
place.
Potentially
I
don't
know,
there's
also
startups
out
there
like
gremlin,
ok
ice
like
you
that
are
kind
of
interested
in
offering
kes
engineering
as
a
service.
A
So
you
know
one
big
aspect
of
CN
CF
is.
We
would
like
to
ensure
that
we
could
build
stuff
that
you
know
aids,
you
know
portability
and
makes
the
lives
of
our
members
and
community
easier
and
potentially
trying
out
these
different
tools.
So
that's
kind
of
my
selfish.
You
know
point
of
view
and
also
in
general
chaos.
Engineering
is
still
kind
of
new
to
a
lot
of
folks
and
I.
Think
we
could
do
a
great
job
and
kind
of
spreading.
You
know
in
formalizing
this
practice,
at
least
within
the
C&C
of
community
and
lighter
industry.
A
So
those
are
my,
you
know,
kind
of
selfish
goals,
sylvain
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
speak
to
this
or
you
know
Adrian,
you
want
to
comment
on
kind
of
your
background.
Cuz
you've
been
involved
in
this
for
a
long
time,
but
I
kind
of
love
to
hear
you
know
other
other
folks
thoughts
on
this
on
this
idea.
So.
D
They're
doing
it,
there
are
some
AWS
capabilities
that
aren't
very
well
known,
which
let
you
do
chaos
things
like
the
aurora.
My
sequel
database
has
some
sequel
queries,
which
will
actually
cause
nodes
to
fail
and
partitions
to
happen.
So
there's
some
services
that
do
that.
You
also
got
some
ways
to
do
zone
isolation
that
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at.
D
We
just
came
up
with
something
recently
where
you
can
basically
cut
off
a
zone
from
an
API
perspective,
so
not
exactly
this
sort
of
stark
chaos,
kind
of
thing,
but
I
think
where
you
can
gather
together
a
number
of
capabilities
to
come
up
with
something
like
that
missus.
This
is
very
helpful
and
I
think
there's
a
good
summary
of
where
we
are
right
now.
So
it
looks
good
to
me.
A
B
A
People
together
shared
some
kind
of
tools
out
there.
You
know
what
the
different
Kollek
revisers
are
working
on,
what
the
startups
are
doing
and
kind
of
go
from
there
before
necessarily
targeting
a
specific
project
like
kubernetes
cuz.
You
know
honestly
I'd
love
to
see
some
of
our
other
CN
CF
projects,
kind
of
offer,
chaos,
engineering,
specific
abilities,
at
least
that's
how
I
view
things
and
I
know
that's
easy
if
it's
more
than
just
kubernetes
or
other
kind
of
orchestration
systems
out
there
that
are
involved
in
the
community
sounds
good.
D
M
D
That,
yes,
some
of
it,
is
at
a
bit
of
iptables
it's
a
bit
of
killing,
though
it's
a
bit
of
you
know
doing
configuration
changes
so
mostly
it's
manipulating
the
configuration
in
certain
ways,
and
then
you
know,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
chaos
toolkit,
it's
basically
having
a
hypothesis
that
if
you
make
this
change,
that
something
else
won't
change,
you
know.
Hopefully
now
you
can
break
this
thing
and
nobody
will
notice.
Is
the
general
idea
of
this
so
setting
that
up
is
something
that
we
can
sort
of
gather
to
yeah.
A
Q
E
M
Q
This
is
a
good
good
start.
I
guess
you
know
he
summarized
it
and
we
are
planning
to
contribute
as
much
as
possible
from
the
stateful
workloads
perspective.
I'll,
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
you
know
overall
how
to
put
things
together
and
be
happy
to
volunteer
little
bit
more
on
defining
a
landscape
because
from
others
yeah.
Okay.
Thank
you
for.
E
D
G
E
Default
right,
some
people
don't
even
know
that
they
have
that
enabled
on
their
service,
but
you
know
a
new
tool.
We
have
is
an
opt-in
model
right
now
and
hopefully
eventually
we
will
evolve
it
to
an
opt-out
model,
but
all
of
our
cash
tools
operate
under
the
assumption.
If
I
run
this
experiment
or
if
I
run
this
chaos
test,
I
expect
I
will
be
resilient
to
it.
If
we
know
ahead
of
time
that
you
know
this
will
cause
customer
pain
or
it
is
going
to
cause
some
sort
of
pain,
there's
a
definitely
a
different
process.
E
D
M
D
What
one
level
of
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
say:
I
want
my
application
to
be
resilient
to
various
types
of
chaos
and
they're.
Those
are
mostly
hitting
the
kubernetes
api
is
or
maybe
container
api's
or
network
api
is
to
disrupt
certain
things
within
the
application
right.
So
so
that's
one
area
that
is
particularly
interesting,
and
it's
also
interesting
for
me,
because
it's
a
a
much
more
portable
way
of
doing
this,
rather
than
customizing
this
for
every
every
customer
and
every
place
and
every
vendor
yeah.
M
D
D
Layer
is
kubernetes
itself
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
chaos
at
the
to
the
control
plane
to
the
nodes
and
say
we
have
a
multi
zone
and
eventually
those
Federation
and
multi
region.
We
need
chaos,
engineering
to
basically
attack
kubernetes
itself,
to
prove
that
this
is
that
the
see
what
the
platform
does
under
certain
types
of
failure
mode.
It's
really
got
nothing
to
do
with
the
application
level.
At
that
point,
you
want
to
make
sure
the
application
keeps
running
the
thing.
C
D
C
A
That
would
be
part
of
the
white
paper
and
so
for
me,
like
I'll,
be
upfront
like
I,
am
new
to
this
community,
so
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
understanding
of
kind
of
you
know.
I
know,
Netflix
was
kind
of
a
regional
steward
of
what
is
like
the
chaos
principles
or
something
but
like
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
like
whatever
we
do,
has
input
from
everyone
and
we
kind
of
have
a
you
know,
we
put
forward
something
that
doesn't
kind
of
cause.
A
C
A
I
mean
you'll,
be
part
of
the
white
paper.
Essentially
and,
like
you
know,
we
could
say
hey
here:
here's
what
we've
done
based
on
her
research
within
the
community.
Here's
the
opinion
of
the
working
group
of
you
know
the
different
values
and
what
chaos
engineering
is,
and
my
whole
thing
is
I
would
definitely
make
sure
that
we
have
end-user
is
reflected
within
within
the
group,
not
just
only
vendors.
That's
a
key
tenant
of
scenes.
Yes,
any
any
other
thoughts.
A
Otherwise
you
know
I'll
kind
of
go
into
the
logistics
of
you
know
how
we're
gonna
move
forward.
So
you
know
very
simply:
I
prefer
to
do
most
of
our
work
stream
stuff
just
on
github
and
through
Google
Docs.
This
is
kind
of
how
it
works
well
for
other
working
groups
than
CN
CF.
You
know,
I
am
fine
kind
of
leading
all
these
specific
things
and
kind
of
organizing.
A
But
if
you're
interested
in
you
know
helping
with
the
white
paper,
please
ping
the
github
issue
and
will
kind
of
start
moving
from
there
if
you're
interested
in
kind
of
providing
it
put
the
landscape.
Please
Pingping
yourself
on
the
github
issue
and
will
basically
start
collecting
all
this
information
via
google,
docs
and
kind
of
build
this
out
and
kind
of
over
time.
You
know
presents
kind
of
new
ideas
and
what
we
find
to
the
working
group.
A
Every
time
we
meet
the
kind
of
structure
of
how
we
do
these
things
within
CF
is
generally
we'd
like
to
meet
regularly
every
two
weeks.
The
way
we
kind
of
structure
a
meeting
is
yeah.
We
have
a
brief
agenda.
We
always
like
to
have
demos
from
the
community.
So
personally,
for
me,
like
I,
would
love
to
see
a
demo
of
some
of
the
work
from
you
know:
a
Power
seal.
A
You
know
gremlin
and
the
open
abs
folks
castle
kit,
maybe
what
what
netflix
is
doing
from
Nora
so
I,
you
know,
I'd
love
to
kind
of
you
know,
find
volunteers
to
kind
of
showcase.
What
they're
doing
because
that's
kind
of
how
we'll
learn
from
each
other
and
then
just
kind
of
updates
on
where
we
are
with
landscape
definitions
and
so
on,
which
will
help
with
so
for
me,
coming
up
with
a
time,
is
painful:
I,
don't
know
what
works
best!
I
know,
since
we
have
folks
with
Europe
involved.
A
Q
N
A
So,
okay
I'll
throw
out
a
doodle
poll
for
8:00
a.m.
on
specific
days
that
try
not
to
conflict
with
any
other
students.
You
have
specific
things
and
and
we'll
just
kind
of
land
and
pick
a
pick
a
day
and
do
it
every
two
weeks,
so
some
other
kind
of
small
tidbits.
You
know
else:
oh
yes,
I'm!
Looking
for
volunteers
for
demos,
so
if
you're
interested
in
demoing
in
our
meeting
in
the
next
two
weeks,
let
me
know
think
sylvane's
volunteer,
kiss
okay
but
I'd
love
to
have
find
one
more
demo
from
the
group.
A
So
please
reach
out
to
me
after
calling
in
and
we'll
kind
of
get
you
scheduled
so
kind
of
tidbits
before
we
kind
of
open
things
up
for
questions
and
kind
of
ideas
from
the
group
is
the
folks
from
Glen
gremlin
have
created
an
event
called
cask
off,
which
is
great.
You
know
we
love
to
kind
of
see.
You
know
events
in
the
community
kind
of
around
specific
topics.
It's
really
how
you
get
together.
Cn
CF,
you
know,
has
sponsored
the
events
and
you
know
basically
essentially
donated
the
money
for
the
purposes
of
diversity.
A
Inclusion
for
scholarships.
So
we're
super
excited
to
support
that
and
support
the
event
in
general,
and
thank
you
for
grumbling
on
on
putting
this
on
it's
a
bit
of
a
challenge
always
put
on
events.
It's
a
huge
time
sink.
A
lot
of
people,
don't
realize
what
a
what
a,
what
a
pain
in
the
ass
it
is.
We
just
put
on
Q
con
last
week,
so
it
was
we're
still
recovering
from
that.
A
So
hopefully,
we'll
see
a
lot
of
folks
there.
So
so
thank
you
again.
We
also
have
an
event
coming
up
in
Seattle
in
December
for
the
clown
Aida
of
Stan's
yep
and
carbonated
community
I'm
totally
open
having
a
chaos,
engineering
or
resiliency.
You
know
what
you
know,
whatever
name
of
it,
I'm
open
to
essentially
providing
a
track
for
this
community
there.
So
if
people
are
supportive,
I'll
just
make
it
happen,
so
please
please,
let
me
know
I,
don't
hear
anyone
opposed
I'll
just
make
it
happen.
It's
good.
A
Doing
awesome
all
right:
let's
talk
about
some
boring
governance
rules,
so
you
know
the
unique
thing
about
CN
CF.
You
know
compared
to
other
open-source
foundations.
We
generally
allow
projects
basically
define
how
they
kind
of
run
themselves
right
as
long
as
it's
done
in
a
fair
and
transparent
way,
and
so
I,
just
basically
cargo
coltd,
you
know
kind
of
what
other
working
groups
have
done
so
generally,
you
know
you
know
we're.
We
represent
different
organizations
and
companies
here,
and
you
know,
I'd
really
like
us
to
just
operate
as
much
as
possible
by
rough
consensus.
A
If
there
is
something
that
kind
of
flares
up
and-
and
you
know,
we're
not
sure
how
to
proceed-
and
we
need
a
votes,
you
know
will
essentially
employ
a
rule
where
you
know
single
organizations
essentially
get
one
vote
associated
with
a
specific
issue.
So
I
added
you
know
kind
of
this
policy
and
the
governance
that
worked
on
file
in
the
github
repo.
If
you
would
like
to
be
considered
a
maintainer,
please
send
a
pull
request,
because
these
are
the
groups
of
folks
that
were
essentially
will
use
for
for
voting.
So
please
send
a
PR
there.
A
A
A
All
right
so
yeah
so
to
kind
of
wrap
things
up.
You
know
I'm,
basically,
gonna
open
it
up
to
kind
of
the
you
know
community
here
on
this
call
to
see
kind
of
what
they
would
want
to
see.
Any
particular
topics
to
discuss
into
adrian
has
kind
of
mentioned,
separating
out
work
streams,
but
I'd
love
to
kind
of
hear
from
folks
what
they
would
kind
of
like
to
talk
to
talk
about.
Next
I
would
like
to
firm
up
presentations
for
next
meetings.
So
I
know
Sylvain
has
volunteered
kis
toolkit.
A
Is
there
anyone
else
that
kind
of
wants
to
move
forward
and
kind
of
do
like
it's?
Basically,
a
15-minute
presentation
to
kind
of
how
you're
doing
chaos,
engineering
or
a
tool
that
you
kind
of
built
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
community
to
kind
of
get
feedback
and
input
on
justjust
for
learning
purposes.
A
All
right,
so
we
got
to
that.
That's
perfect
on
you
know,
essentially
we'll
just
I'll.
Add
it
to
the
Google
Doc
that
lists
the
meeting
agenda
and
we'll
just
try
to
get.
You
know
to
trying
to
do
a
cadence
of
to
kind
of
community
presentations
per
you
know,
per
meeting
for
and
the
purpose
of
sharing
and
learning
from
each
other,
so
cool.
Thank
you
so
other
than
that,
like
what
you
know,
what
other
folks,
you
know
out
there
kind
of
want
to
see
from
this
effort.
A
So,
like
you
know,
I
see
the
concrete
outputs
being
the
landscape
lights
paper
and
just
like
learning
what
people
have
built.
You
know
I'd
love
to
kind
of
get
feedback
from
folks.
Otherwise
we
could
kind
of
end
this,
and
this
call
early-
but
you
know
I'm
here,
to
basically
help
from
a
ciencia
perspective,
because
this
is
just
a
super
interesting
topic
for
our
membership
and
community,
and
we
love
to
kind
of
promote
the
problem.
You
know
promote
the
practice
of
chaos,
engineering
across
the
industry
and
our
membership.
D
A
No,
no
absolutely
I
mean
there'll,
be
a
time
when
we,
when
we're
a
little
bit
further
along
that,
we
will
formally
present
this
to
the
CN
CF
technical
board.
/,
you
see
to
kind
of
you
know,
get
it
approved.
I'm
gonna
try
to
do
that
over
the
next
next,
probably
four
to
four
to
six
weeks
once
we're
kind
of
a
little
bit,
you
know,
moving
along
and
kind
of
you
know
have
a
good
cadence
going
and
then
presenting
to
the
SIG's-
and
you
know,
relevant
working
group
sounds
sounds
like
a
good
idea.
Adrian.
M
A
So
yeah
I
mean
ideally
somewhere
on
github
right
I
would
start
with
in
our
repo
at
least
referencing,
where
things
may
live
in
different
projects
and
and
so
on.
So
you
know,
there's
also
discussions
of
us
making
recommendations
to
the
scenes
you
have
to
go
see
of
like
hey,
maybe
I,
don't
know
piracy
or
something
or
whatever
project
could
could
come
into
C
and
C.
F
has
a
kind
of
a
sandbox
thing
or
recommend
that
effort,
or
we
just
create
our
own
project
that
lists
these
things
and
propose
it
down
the
road.
A
B
A
So
I
I
have
some
ideas
on
that.
In
terms
of
you
know,
kind
of
once
we
produce
you
know
a
paper
or
kind
of
a
you
know.
Opinion
piece
from
the
group.
The
CN
CF
could
help
promote
that
new
problem.
I
also
have
some
very
fun
ideas
around.
We
kind
of
have
these
kubernetes
certification,
exams
and
I'd
have
kind
of
like
a
little
selfish
idea
of
adding
like
chaos,
engineering
to
that
or
like
how
to
how
to
do
it.
A
You
know,
within
your
systems
from
a
system
administrator
perspective,
at
least
that's
kind
of
a
selfish
goal
of
mine
to
to
push
later
on
as
kind
of
an
education
thing,
and
we
also
have
courses
that
we've
kind
of
partnered
with
organizations
like
edx.org
so
like
if
we
actually
wanted
to
do
like
a
intro
to
chaos,
engineering
and
have
it
freely
available
on
edx.org
that
scene
CF
is
more
than
happy
to
kind
of
sponsor
that
initiative.
We've
done
that
for
kubernetes.
We've
done
that
for
Linux
and
other
efforts.
So
that
could
be
an
idea.
F
F
Talked
about
the
API
is
in
specs
for
actually
create
conducting
natural
chaos
in.
Are
you
right?
So?
Are
we
also
going
to
come
up
with
probably
a
structure
around?
What
are
we
violating
out
of
this
resiliency
like
how
am
I
going
to
put
up
a
report
out
of
it?
Like
are
my
alerts,
firing
or
my
resiliency,
and
probably
some
good
examples
around?
That
will
be
helpful,
I
believe
yeah.
D
A
D
M
A
D
A
I
would
do
it
there
just
create
a
new
there's,
a
section
on
resources.
I
could
create
like
a
sub
section,
or
this
doc
needs
a
little
bit
more
love
in
terms
of
organization
and
so
on,
but
I'm
hoping
as
more
people
go
involved.
They
kind
of
have
ideas
on
how
to
structure
things
on
the
landscape
side.
I
have
a
personal
like
how
do
people
like
break
up
these
different
tools,
like
you
know,
from
from
ciencia
perspective,
like
there's
some
for
me
that
are
like
kubernetes
native.
A
There
are
some
that
maybe
focus
on
security
like
like
having
an
idea
from
the
group
of
how
they
think
about,
and
how
to
break
apart
on
these
different
tools
would
be
great,
because
if
you
look
at
a
if
you
look
at
a
server
list
landscape,
for
example,
we
have
a
these
kind
of
subsections.
We
have
like
you,
know
things
that
are
related
the
security
tools.
A
What
we
call
you
know,
platforms
which
in
this
case,
make
kind
of
map
to,
like
maybe
hosted
chaos,
engineering
as
a
service,
things
like
like
gremlin
and
then
chaos,
IQ
and
so
on.
So,
having
idea
of
how
to
like
break
these
things
apart
in
different
areas,
would
be
super
useful
for
me,
I,
don't
know
if
people
have
thoughts
here,
I'm
sure
you
do,
but
those
are
kind
of
things
that
I
need
to
kind
of
figure
out
to
kind
of
move
forward
on
on
generating
a
landscape.
D
A
Alright,
if
there's
no
other
questions,
I'll
end
it
a
little
bit
early
to
give
us
about
ten
minutes
back
I.
You
know
personally
want
to
thank
everyone
that
has
attended
this
first
kind
of
bootstrapping
meeting.
Thank
you
to
you,
know
Sylvain,
Tammy
and
other
folks
that
have
done
a
great
job
in
terms
of
introducing
me
folks
in
this
community.
I
think
this
is
gonna,
be
a
super
useful
project
for
a
lot
of
us
and
I
kind
of
look
forward
to
us.
A
You
know:
outputting,
a
landscape,
white
paper
and
kind
of
bringing
the
practice
of
chaos
engineering
to
the
wider,
sensitive
community
in
industry.
So
thank
you
all
and
I
also
now
to
doodle
poll
to
figure
out
when
we're
gonna
meet
next
in
two
weeks.
Okay,
thank.