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CNCF SIG Contributor Strategy 2021-01-19
A
A
A
A
B
A
A
Well
before
the
pandemic,
obviously
paul's
sister
spent
the
night
with
us
and
he
left
for
work
before
she
got
up
in
the
morning
and
she
woke
up
and
she
asked
me
where,
where
our
iron
was-
and
I
was
like,
I
know
we
have
one,
because
we
have
an
ironing
board
and
that's
big.
So
I
know
where
that
is
yeah.
B
A
B
The
because
you
know
oregon
is
not
exactly
a
big
permanent
press
state
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
this.
This
is
a
joke.
It
was
always
it
was
a
compromise
between
my
sweetie
and
me.
Is
that,
like
you
know,
we're
moving
to
oregon
and
yes,
that
means
that
you
can.
B
That
means
that
you
can
wear
sweats
all
the
time
if
you
want
to
yeah,
because
this
is
always
the
argument
with
me
is
anytime
we
were
going
out.
I
was
always
you
know,
putting
on
slacks
and
a
press
shirt
and
everything
else,
and
looking
at
her
putting
on
jeans
in
a
sweatshirt
and
going.
A
Yeah
anything
other
than
jeans
in
the
sweatshirt
tended
to
be
overdressed
in
oregon
yeah.
I
used
to
live
just
off
of
hawthorne,
hawthorne
and
43rd,
and
my
my
mom
really
loved
it
when
she
finally
figured
out
that,
like
she
could
walk
to
the
corner
store
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
block
in
her
pajamas,
and
she
would
see
other
people
walking
to
get
their
papers
in
their
pajamas
and
nobody
was
going
to
look
twice
at
it.
B
Yeah
the
yeah
well,
and
you
know
now,
thanks
to
covet,
I
have
an
entire
shelf
in
my
closet
of
pajama
pants
yup,
the
yellow
bean
coming
out
under
hello
being
it
was
lb.
One
of
those
catalogs
came
out
with,
like
a
bunch
of
new
patterns
for
pajama
pants,
the
okay.
Well
we'll
see
if
anybody
else
is
going
to
join
us.
A
B
Okay,
well,
the
automated
recording's
on
so
officially
cncf
governance
meeting.
We
both
know
about
the
code
of
conduct,
so
no
need
to
repeat
it
here
and
the
if
anybody.
B
No,
that
wasn't
what
it
was
supposed
to
say
at
all,
so
clearly
that
needs
to
get
changed
the.
So
let
me
open
up
the
version
that
the
pull
request
version,
oh,
which
I
could
do
from
the
notes,
the.
B
B
That's
interesting,
oh
hold
on
github
just
threw
an
error
at
me.
B
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
it
in
my
text.
Editor
then
so
it
is
what's
happening
with
the
steering
committee.
Is
the
steering
committee
consists
of
an
elected
appointed
representative
from
each
of
the
member
projects,
plus
a
maintainer
representative,
who
is
generally
elected.
A
A
B
So
so
you've
got
you've
got,
say
five
projects
under
this
umbrella.
Each
project
has
their
own
individual
maintainer
council
is
council,
two
grand
should
we
call
it
maintainer
committee
maintainer
group.
I
was
trying
to
come
up
with
a
word
that
would
make
it
clear
that
this
group
had
a
governance,
function,
yeah,
but
also
yeah
the
problem
with
it
being
called
councils.
It
kind
of
makes
you
think
that
there's
something
grand
that
there's
one
and
it's
for
the
whole
project,
as
opposed
to
being
for
each
individual
project.
A
Yeah,
so
I
yeah
that's
a
good
point,
I
think
maybe
maintainer
committee
might
be
better
than
and
I
think
trying
to
think
of
ways
to
ways
to
sort
of
solve
this.
I
think
that
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
so
you
talk
about,
you,
know,
members
of
that
project's
maintainer
council,
and
then
you
start
talking
about
the
maintainer
council.
B
A
Think
that's
where
I
got
wrapped
up.
I
was
like
oh,
the
maintainer
council,
it's
a
thing
for
the
whole,
the
whole
group,
and
then
I
think,
maybe
what
would
help
is
you
know,
maybe,
if
you're
just
clear
about
the
scope
like
right
up
front
like
somewhere
right
under
that
heading,
that
you
put
something
along
the
lines
of
there.
There
is
a
maintainers
council
for
each
individual
project
and
then
later,
when
you
talk
about
the
steering
committee,
you
should
say
that
you
know
something
along
the
lines
of
the
steering
committee.
A
B
A
B
A
B
So
the
and
you
know
for
a
template-
it's
not
completely
necessary.
It
was
something
that
conveyor
wanted.
B
The
and,
and
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
useful
to
show
as
an
example
of
you
know,
what
sort
of
a
composition
you
might
have
here
and
then
you
know,
and
then
I've
got
the
note
in
there
saying
depending
your
project,
you
may
want
to
have
other
kinds
of
representatives
such
as
an
end-user
representative
or
cncfc
representative
or
whatever
yeah
the.
I.
A
Wonder
I
wonder
if
it
would
be
worth
simplifying
it,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
what
I
see
more
commonly,
not
necessarily
in
cncf
projects
but
as
a
community
representative.
So
I
wonder
if
we,
I
wonder
if
we
say
general
community
representative,
instead
of
both
of
these
instead
of
trying
to
distinguish
between
the
two
of
these.
A
A
B
B
B
I
think,
having
I
think,
having
a
general
community
representative
is
a
good
idea
for
this
kind
of
project,
because
one
of
the
problems
that
you
can
actually
end
up
with-
oh
hey,
charles
welcome
hi
charles,
please
put
your
name
in
the
notes.
We're
discussing
the
sub
project
template
for
projects
that
are
sort
of
umbrellas
over
a
bunch
of
little
projects.
B
Yeah,
the
polar
plus
and.
B
And
dawn
very
helpfully
did
a
blind
review
of
it,
pointing
out
a
number
of
things
that
were
not
at
all
clear,
so
we're
trying
to
fix
those
the
so
yeah
so
put
those
in
as
examples.
B
So
the
advantage
of
having
this
sort
of
generally
elected
representative
there's
a
couple
of
advantages
of
it,
the
the
main
one
being
that
one
of
the
things
that
can
happen
in
these
sorts
of
projects,
where
you
have
representatives
coming
from
each
subproject,
is
like
the
problem
that
we
have
in
the
us
senate,
where
you
actually
have
over
representation
of
the
smaller
projects.
B
And
so
what
almost
inevitably
happens
with
the
quote-unquote
community
representative
is
since
they're
elected
generally
by
all
of
the
contributors.
They
end
up
being
an
additional
person
from
the
bigger
sub-projects
and-
and
you
actually
kind
of
want
that
right,
because
if
one.
A
B
A
B
Particularly
because
when
you
have
very
simple
maintainer
committee
management
into
the
individual
subprojects,
there
tends
to
not
be
quite
as
much
turnovers
you'd
like
the
okay,
so
yeah.
So
that
was
the
idea
of
that
and-
and
I
think
it
works
as
an
example,
but
I
think
you're
right.
If
we
don't
need
to
have
two
different
classes.
B
B
As
in
the
example,
and
if
we
call
it
a
community
representative,
then
it's
pretty
clear
that
it's
not
the
person
that
would
people
were
talking
about
individual
projects,
yeah.
A
A
And
then
the
other
one
that
was
confusing
for
me
is
down
in
the
adding
projects
section.
B
B
A
What's
what
you're
really
saying
is
that
the
if
I
run
a
project-
and
I
want
it
to
be
under
this
group-
yeah.
B
A
B
B
Right
because
the
problem
is
with
the
project,
is
that
a
lot
of
projects
who
are
aiming
to
join
don't
have
any
defined
governance
structure,
yep,
yep
and
but-
and
it's
also
important,
even
if
they
have
a
defined
governance
structure,
with
some
sort
of
majority
vote
for
joining
an
umbrella
project
and
effectively
joining
the
cncf.
At
the
same
time,
majority
vote
is
not
good
enough.
B
B
B
Okay,
the
and
the
experimental
projects
thing
was
was
okay
by
you.
B
B
The
okay.
B
Okay,
the
okay,
so
I
will
do
all
those
revisions
in
squash.
Merge
it'll,
take
a
little
while
put
that
in
there
cool
charles.
You
are
any
comments.
B
B
B
So,
okay,
okay
and
that'll
be
good
because,
oh
you
know,
general
elections,
maintainer
committee,
maintainer,
council
and
sub-projects
are
the
three
sort
of
major
governance
structures
I've
encountered
in
the
world
of
open
source.
I
mean,
I
guess
my
other
question
for
this.
For
for
this
group
is
once
we
have
those
three:
are
we
kind
of
done
with
our
generic
governance
structure
templates.
B
Yeah
well
the
other
thing
that
we
need
to
we're
going
to
need
to
do
in
association
with
this.
Is
I've
been
working
on
the
contributor
ladder
thing,
because
this
one
particular
the
sub-projects
relies
on
the
contributor
ladder,
the
elections,
one
kind
of
does
as
well,
and
so
that
really
needs
to
be
published
as
an
example.
A
B
B
So,
okay,
so
do
all
that
and
I'll
squash
merge
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
it's
when
it's
in
there,
so
you
can
re-review
cool.
The
other
thing
that
I
had
for
today
is
so
for
the
conveyor
project
which
is
being
composed
as
an
umbrella
project.
B
A
B
Where's
their
definition
of
open
governance.
I
can
point
to
when
there
really
wasn't
anything
that
I
regarded
as
a
sort
of
complete
list
of
criteria,
and
this
has
also
come
up
within
the
cncf,
because
I
recently
had
to
talk
to
a
project
where
they
had
one
position
within
the
governance
that
was
appointed
for
life
and
I'm
like
that's,
not
really
open
governance
and
they
were
like
well
where's,
the
definition
of
open
governance.
B
So
I
was
thinking
it
was
something
we
should
think
about
working
on
as
a
working
group
and
then
submitting
to
the
toc
for
approval,
because
not
having
that
definition
means
everybody
has
their
own
sort
of
interpretation
the.
So
I
put
down
the
criteria
I
was
using,
you
know
for
for
open
governance,
and
so
I'm
just
introducing
this.
B
If
people
could
have
a
look
at
that
and
add
you
know
to
see
both
whether
all
of
those
you
know
whether
all
of
those
criteria
are
necessary,
like
are
some
of
them
superfluous.
Do
a
definition
of
open
governance,
whether
or
not
we're
missing
things
that
are
kind
of
required
for
open
governance
and
and
whether
or
not
everything
is
clear.
A
The
one
at
first
glance,
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
see
is
anything
about
decision
making
processes
which
I
see
is
kind
of
a
key
to
open
governance
is
having
a
clearly
defined
decision-making
process
where
it's
clear
who's
making
those
decisions.
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
implied
in
a
couple
of
these,
but
yeah.
A
B
A
A
A
The
I'm
a
big
fan
of
number
four.
B
The
so
okay,
well
I
mean
give
the
exact
criteria,
some
thought,
because
it's
something
you
definitely
need
to
think
on
what
I
actually
wanted
to
bring
up
more.
You
know
with
you
and
charles
nihor
is
whether
or
not
this
is
something
we
want
to
think
about
proposing
to
the
toc
like.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
projects
to
have
a
clearly
spelled
definition
of
what
is
open
governance,
because
that
becomes
a
requirement
for
graduated
status.
B
But
without
that
criteria
I
would
be
willing
to
bet
that
not
all
the
members
of
the
toc
have
the
same
list
of
criteria
for
what
is
open
governance.
And
so
then
we
end
up
with
our
cl
problem
that
a
lot
of
projects
have
complained
about
right
that
whether
or
not
they
meet
the
criteria
depends
on
which
toc
member
they're
talking
to.
A
A
A
A
B
Yeah
somewhere
in
there
one
of
the
questions
I
want
to
throw
in
there
was
making
it
clear
what
eligible
means
in
that
you
know
when
we're
saying
that
somebody
is
eligible,
we're
not
saying
that
they
necessarily
get
that
status
automatically.
There
might
be
a
process
involved,
but
just
that
they
cannot
be
ineligible
due
to
externalities.
B
B
Good
okay,
I
do
this
also
run
this
by
chris,
a
because
I
know
he
was
spending
some
time.
Thinking
about
this.
A
B
A
B
I
had
never
heard
of
it
until
you
actually
mentioned
it
on
twitter,
so
the
which
is,
which
is
nice,
and
you
know
next
year,
when
we
can
actually
travel.
I
might
submit
something
or
even
go
depending
on.
B
The
it
would
be
nice
because,
actually
last
time
when
kubecon
was
in
berlin,
I
didn't
get
to
do
any
sightseeing
at
all.
A
B
Yeah
the
well,
we
can
dream.
B
It
took
me
a
while
to
miss
it
because
you
know
given
2019,
I
was
actually
a
little
burned
out
on
travel.
I
I
figured
out
that
I
actually
spent
over
a
hundred
days
on
the
road
in
2019,
wow
and
so
actually
the
first
six
months.
It
was
like
wow.
I
can
stay
at
home
and
even
now
I
have
to
admit,
I'm
very
happy
to
not
be
in
the
czech
republic
right
now
which
which
I
would
be
in
a
normal
year.
B
Yeah
well-
and
you
know,
czechia
being
inland-
is-
is
even
worse,
although
in
some
ways
it's
worse
because
it's
not
quite
cold
enough,
so
it's
not
all
snow.
It's
all
slush.
A
B
Yeah
well
before
so
last
year,
I
was
briefly
considering
doing
the
thing
where
you
you
know,
go
to
brussels,
but
you
don't
actually
attend
fosdem
itself,
because
there
were
enough
interesting
satellite
events
that
that
I
might
have
gone
to
all
the
satellite
events
and
and
considered
it.
You
know
done
because
I
really
don't.
I
don't
like
the
whole
san,
diego
comic-con
arrangement
of
of
the
talk
rooms
and
that
sort
of
thing
yeah.
I.
A
Was
talking
to
dirk
about
this
and
he's
like
you
know,
I,
we
don't
really
encourage
people
to
go
to
foster
because
they
don't
get
that
much
benefit
out
of
it,
but
I
was
like
going
to
fosdem
is
not
about
going
to
fosdem
it's
about
going
to
all
the
satellite
events
for
the
projects
that
you're
working
on
that
hold
events
there
like
for
me,
there's
always
a
to-do
group
meeting,
there's
always
a
chaos
con
yeah.
It's
about
all!
It's
not
necessarily
about
fosdem,
it's
about
all
the
stuff
that
you
can
attend.
That
goes
around
it.
B
Yeah
and
copy
left
con
interesting
to
go
to,
particularly
because
at
the
time
I
would
have
tried
to
get
them
to
take
a
stand
on
cal
but
the,
but
couldn't
quite
justify
it.
A
B
Particularly
because,
as
things
turned
out,
that
ended
up
being
my
last
chance
to
see
my
grandmother
so
the
so
I'm
glad
I
wasn't
at
fosdem.
Instead.
B
Okay,
well,
if
nobody
has
anything
else,
that
is
the
end
of
our
meeting
for
today
do
take
a
gander.
The
definition
of
open
governance
see
how
you
can
tweak
it,
etc,
and
if
it,
if
it
works
for
you
and
we'll
work
through
it,
probably
rediscuss
it
at
the
next
meeting
then
submit
it
to
general
sig
contributor
strategy
to
push
to
the
toc.