Cloud Native Computing Foundation Contributor Strategy Special Interest Group, 18 Jun 2020

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CNCF SIG Contributor Strategy 2020-06-18

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My god, that's recording you schedules out of me. Oh my gosh I was like and then I forgot that I had joined early. Only oh, my god,.

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Inside the computer.

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huh I feel like this week, it's not my week. Y'all I took I took an L I took an L yesterday on the work tip. It was just like the list that I created for myself that day I think I crossed off like one out of 20 I have.

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This new system, more like I, just I, turn over a page and if it wasn't done, come up again yeah you know, I got tired of carrying things.

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Over, like I know, my lie: I've been I've been keeping. This like recurring, stand up document for my boss and I'm just been like copying and pasting the next like yeah, like.

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Some overwhelming.

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Trying this again trying this right, yeah like this, is not the year for to do this.

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The space of lik contributor strategy, stuff I, am I'm thinking about this as far as like. If our communities are not going to be as productive as we would normally expect them to be, then what let's bring it back in towards, like you know the topic at hand, but.

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Part of that is sort of like because there was kind of this expectation that we would basically see each other to keep Khan and and like. It would be like a magical deadline that, if you didn't have your together by then everyone with no.

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And that's not really present anymore. So in the absence of that, what other pieces can we kind of look towards? So that is what I am thinking about. These.

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These crushing anxiety, I mean.

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That's that's one method. Shame driven development is also fun. No, but really more serious are thinking about like what happens. If we hit, like you, know like as we hit like November 4 on Boston and and we don't have releases, and we don't have thing it's like: what do we do? We.

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Just a really stable products, yeah I'm, Lee framing then okay,.

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Reframing of, like you know, we would focus on stability and we would focus on, like you know, being able to like you know, bug fixing right, I mean.

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That's what we're doing you know on my team actually is just refocusing on other things. Instead of catching up on Keeping Up, with upstream.

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33 after let's get this party started, I will assume so we can chill.

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Yes, agendas in chat, I already put on all of our names on it. I personally only have one thing today: I do have to skedaddle at 11:00 and does anybody else have any topics or agenda or discussion items? Actually I do have another discussion, which is the hotel stuff.

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Open telemetry I'll fill y'all little nut.

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Okay, anybody else have any other discussion points or anything for the agenda.

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Not me all right, so we are like I, feel like two seconds away from shipping the survey and the end all of the verbage, which is awesome. Now we are at the stage of who's, doing what why? How who a April has already taken some stuff in chat.

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That's saying that I said in chat still stands I'm down to do the majority of this, but I know like Carolyn you're tied to some other communities internally, so it might be weird for me to like do it when you can just do your own kind of community thing same thing with a or you might want to take some of these. Some of them have like ambassador stuff April's, taking the slack the private slack Channel, though, but if we could all assign owners to this, we could ship this today for sure Carolyn.

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What do you think about? Do you want to do.

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These all of them, because I'm typing communities that aren't seen see actually well. Your are you tied to helm a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah I can bring this to home yeah, okay,.

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About brigades Brigade for Chocolate and aza or Microsoft for CNC of projects.

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I mean we could we could also ask the ambassadors to help spread the word amongst their own communities. Yes,.

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Yeah like if I I know I said that you know I volunteered to share it in the ambassador's slack but like if a wants to do like a coordinated effort where we ask the ambassador's to kind of share the the survey and everything with their own communities like I. Think that would be great and yep.

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I just want to make sure that all forty five-plus communities are hit. That's my yeah, my concern so I'm saying I can like we can just blast the blast. The dev lists or y'all can individually contact your own, so I'm gonna put gar PC on the not blast list and then I'll also put also take off helm, I'll, say Carolyn's doing, helm or Karen doesn't matter I just figured. It would be better. Coming from your voices than mine like who is this I mean they're, my co-workers, so it's mean that's how much.

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We can yeah yeah.

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Everybody knows who you are and.

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Alright and then owner for maintainer list, I think that should probably be Josh or somebody so I'm gonna put Josh jitan cuz. He doesn't have much you're.

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Also out of the office until like I'm gonna, say Monday: okay I mean like it.

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Fine, if you want to be able to do that, just the expectation is yep.

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Nope I didn't know, thank you very much and then TOC we've got that covered private dev channel we've got that covered.

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Ambassador's got that covered the next one out, so CN CF is going to also do a blog put the blog in the slack channel as well. Julie health Julie was super helpful and got that drafted for us. We just need to review it.

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I told her hold until after all of this stuff is done so probably sometime next week, I figured that personal reach out would be better than people seeing on our blog first or at least the opportunity to have personal reach outs kind of thing, but that's it so I mean that's pretty much our timeline, I'd say by not tomorrow, but following Friday, pretty much everybody in the community should least have at least have heard about us looked at skip to skimmed an email header like or some kind of thing. One.

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Note on timing, I am seeing a lot of people to include us have tomorrow off. It may be worth being able to blast. Oh.

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Yeah, rather than being able.

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To blast it today, you.

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Can make all that lands today? That's.

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Completely fine I, just I'm starting to be aware of people not looking at their email.

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Because I don't.

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Like to do any communication.

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Like the day before weekend, especially three days weekend, a lot.

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Of people have had this come up some kind of suddenly as.

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So Quinn's, like.

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Today is kind of like Friday and it's never good to launch on a Friday.

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If you cannot have like input then, but this you actually want input, so, okay, so I.

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Call sorry helping Monday June 21st, yes, so and then I'll tell Julie, then probably Thursday for we've.

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Got a few other blog posts coming out earlier in the week, so I think that's totally fine. You know just from a timing perspective. I know that you wanted to be able to say everybody knows about this by next Friday I'm, like kind of yeah.

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Yeah, like I, think the same like with it like by the time like a five to eight day period or like we know from our send out or whatever that's all alright. Well, that's all I really wanted to get done right now. I'm, not gonna lie to you. I just wanted to see who was new one as far as this is concerned, but as far as the open, telemetry, stuff, I I, know, I tag my name tag. I gave everybody the link and slack. Let me pull it up.

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They were talking about getting like some advice for kind of like how to set up community infrastructure that would allow them to start outreach for.

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For under rehearse ended contributors, so I thought that might be cool for something that we can think about in the future. It's like best practices or for stuff. We do with the contributor growth working group. I did tell them to feel free to come to any one of our meetings.

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I told them that we could come to them, I just figured. We need to kind of take that advisory approach with them, but they're also discussing kind of like the the meta issue of like. Do they need a community manager. Do they need a cig like that kind of thing, which is really awesome, because that's what we want the projects to do I think now as well. They kind of see. Oh wow. We really need to focus on this. So that's the open, telemetry back story. There.

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Anything else going on in the community community.

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Inclusive language I did set an issue for that as well and kate's. That's what I'm doing at 11:00 super daddy is forming a working group. I'm gonna see what's going on there because I know container D and a bunch of other projects are also asking for lists because they've changed some of the other keywords already I know. The container D team has already done a lot of different I.

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Don't know the specifics, but I know they've done a few different words, but they actually specifically asked if C and C F would help out with some kind of inclusive list of things. So Celeste with sick docks and kubernetes actually already started a list. So I'm gonna see what comes of this, and if we can surface this kind of stuff and and things like that, these.

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Words like for use and documentation and repos are like okay. It.

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Sure what the full context was and is it are they? Are they looking at like a band last words.

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Or how on the list? That's the lesson. Sig Docs has now it's inclusive language, a non racist language for components, documentation pretty much anything on your technology stack and what they're doing is um I, think they're doing kind of like a fan option or a this is better than option or they're, giving a couple different layers of advice and they're also, but it's also uh actually hold on. Let me I have the link I didn't know if.

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It was like here's, a resource for being more inclusive and the things that you say or if it was more of like it's, not the project, never say these other things. You know give maintainer.

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X', who want to be able to adopt more inclusive language, a ability to say the CN CF- recommends these without having to tackle defending, why they want to adopt differently, which isn't explain each and every one like this is why we're doing allow blacklist. This is why we're changing master domain right. This is why we're doing XYZ and having to fight each individual battle themselves they can refer up to. This is what the CNC up recommends, and let us explain once.

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Was just curious kind of how the approach was for it, but I think it's a great resource for people to have for sure yeah.

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Like I saw the Google one was good. I won't lie, I thought that was nice. The the Google developer, one and I know a couple. Other companies and stuff have put out like some guidelines and like we might even want to look at all that stuff as well, but I've got the here's. The Lincoln I.

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Lied hold on I'm, not gonna, hit copy. Here we go happy.

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Alright, I'll put it in chat to Zack.

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And then what up? Actually that was just the link to the actual threat itself: here's the link to the doc. There we go there. We go that's ugly.

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Everybody get it.

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Yeah, this is great. Oh, my gosh, yes, I would love to see. Some of these words switched out.

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It's just pretty much giving some kind of like context background and then also like technical justifications things along those lines, and this is happening in Cadiz and I'm, trying to figure out how to just bubble this up, because the other thing is I know a lot of CN CF projects are actually gonna, be at this.

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The cigar context, you're meeting listening to what they're doing so I'm just wanting to make sure that everybody is collectively coming together on this, instead of realizing that you know they're recreating wheels, if you will so I thought this could also be a good maintainer circle topic for work. Whenever we can kick kick that off, hopefully soon, so that's it for me, folks, ye or what's up with you lately.

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News is that good news.

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Is there three days we can't somewhere outside of my city for the first time, instruments sounds.

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Very exciting April, with some of you how it's Jared, PC.

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Jess fantastic, as always, we have pancakes, has not done anything recently.

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He's not going anywhere. I mean that's the thing like he should have been. Where were we supposed to go for Kuk on this chair? Don't even remember: Dan was ieu.

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Should have been to Amsterdam, he should have seen some tulips. I was actually really looking forward to having the sticker of like pancakes running through a field of tulips, but sadly yeah so yeah he's just sitting at home doing nothing a tool to pipeline yeah. The gr PC conference is next month, so everyone should attend.

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Carolyn, how are you and your projects- oh my.

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Gosh I am so excited. My team has interns.

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Fun, it's great I'm having a blast.

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So what are they all over or they.

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Are working on Sina, bundles with me and uh crustless, the rust, oh yeah, and it's great I'm not wearing so much fun, I love them! It's like every week we have caps check real talk time where we talk about things, have nothing to do attack and uh it's really.

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Love it love it. We need that stuff in ours, but the problem with that is our chill sessions usually end up his work talk. So oh.

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No, no, we talk about all sorts of like things going on in in, like the industry talked about negotiating pay and like how to like I, don't know all sorts of things, keeping friends when you switch companies like when would you actually want to work in open source I? Don't we start with like career, ranging problems and I love it? Because my interns are thinking about big stuff?

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Yearning for that kind of stuff right now yearning for that. Like me, earning alright well, y'all are paddy bunches.

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Amy, how are you.

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The CNC F said I am delighted to be able to have the TOC review with the new sandbox process next week.

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That one is just TOC, but it's gonna be recorded and published, and the conversation is really like. We are gonna, go through and just be able to review public comments on the spreadsheet. So we are still in public comment period for that particular document and let me go see if I can't find that tab, but I think millions of tabs that I have.

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I was actually being like fairly like reasonable about this I made an entirely separate spreadsheet so that the form isn't going to be like lambasted with like public comments. But my challenge right now is actually running into the Google Docs problem of someone made a comment in here somewhere, no idea where it is.

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But yeah lots of stuff in here really looking forward for that on, like the kind of CN CF contributor, like bringing a new project side frankly, so I think.

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It's the problem. People really excited about changes is.

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And unfortunately, a lot of these people have been sitting out for like a while from, like. You know, a large variety of reasons, some of it like the project got busy and some of it was like man. We had a lot of questions and like it's just it's Kent all over the board, so yeah.

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Yeah I'm curious about how this is gonna go down and, of course, like that people come in and put comments in here about like that. You didn't get this right and I'm like.

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Then, as soon as like the recording comes through I'll publish it and that sort of thing the intention right now is just like the trial run for people to come in, and you know see how this goes and and all of that and we were. We were supposed to be able to have this a couple weeks ago, but we had a maintainer diversity issue come in and frankly needed some immediate attention. So all things am meetings.

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Pacific time oh well, yeah, but yeah Paris, that's that's like the the fun stuff going on from my side as it relates towards like contributors and strategy and all of that and how we're frankly like we were looking for input. So, oh.

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You know what it's I'm sure it's too late at this point, but I wonder if we should have some kind of maintainer circly thing for cube con 17th through 20th virtual.

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Drop an email to speakers and and we'll start like tracking for that, because the thing is that each of the SIG's actually do get their own sessions here and I am not sure. If you guys put in for a session, and if that was the case, then that would be an appropriate use of your session.

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The past I have hosted a maintainer kind of birds of a feather session. I cancelled that for cube con, because my understanding was everybody was gonna, be on so many zooms they'd be dreaming and zoom, but if I want to bring that back, I'm completely fine with being able to reschedule that or just frankly make it yours, I, don't know anything about it. I.

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Wanna make it worthwhile I, like your saying I, just don't want it today. Another zoom so I mean yet another zoom with purpose, but yeah yeah I would yeah. Purpose is good, so I'm out. So this is my zoomed out face. I was.

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Trying to be kind to folks understand it like we have another two months of this I hope you like it.

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Sorry, April dates and calendar and reclusive may appear other fun thing.

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Of outside the scope, the to do group is roasting, a track for open source summit North America. So that's kind of other things running around.

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Close enough, there should be a blog post coming out. Frankly, as soon as I mash merge on some of the to do stuff, yeah.

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There they're gonna be out in force that Trek is Monday. The 29th.

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Run to another meeting, so it's good to see all of you yeah.

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Darren I didn't even know you're here, working hi.

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Oh, my gosh, no I I, like I, clicked off the participants tab after lay I.

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Solo is just five of us, oh my god. I did not total I, like would have said like what's up Karen. Oh my gosh I'm. So sorry, okay, how are you I'm good, mainly just like.

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Things up to do count cloud native next week, yeah yeah, I'm, we gotcha yeah, no I would have liked it. I bet. You hear me talking about how no I came out after that. I was in. The same meeting goes Carolyn. We had like this like brunch thing with our interns. I was a fool, know the.

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Survey and they like to send out about like who we are, why we're here is pretty much done and I figured. It would be probably be better off if it was sent from like our folks who are helping us. I represent their own communities. Yeah, like I mean especially if you have your own voice, so Carolyn said that y'all could handle I'm like Helmand Brigade and some stuff like that.

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So just let me know which ones you do so we don't blast them, because the ones that we don't hit, we'll just we'll, send them to their dead per contributor lists. So it's about filet, 45 projects, okay,.

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Cool um is it just a link, that's in the agenda. Yep, okay, cool I. Don't take a look yeah.

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Yeah and I'm their own slack. Obviously, if you have any questions at all cool all right, well transient, so sorry here and I swear I did not beat I posted an plugins tab clicking off to chat tab. Oh it's just chilling so and King I'm. Sorry, Karen! No.

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Worries I didn't have my video on okay.

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Thanks I'll see you soon: okay,.

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