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A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
end
user
lounge,
where
we
explore
how
cloud-native
technologies
are
adopted
by
end-user
organizations
across
different
industries
and
sectors.
Just
as
a
reminder,
the
cncf
end
user
community
is
formed
of
more
than
145
organizations
that
use
open
source
tooling
to
build
their
services,
but
they
don't
sell
it.
So
the
vendor
neutrality
is
quite
an
important
characteristic
for
for
our
community.
A
These
live
streams,
as
mentioned.
We
aim
to
bring
end
users
to
showcase
their
or
how
their
organizations
navigate
the
cloud
native
ecosystem
and
we'll
try
to
deliver
these
streams
to
you.
Every
first
thursday
of
the
month
at
9,
00
am
pt
as
well
just
some
housekeeping
items.
This
is
an
official
live
stream
from
the
cncf
as
such
is
subject
to
the
cncf
kind
of
conduct.
So
please
make
sure
that
you
are
respectful
to
all
of
the
attendees,
the
guests
and
the
hosts.
A
Today,
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
ask
them
in
the
platform
of
your
choice
that
you're
currently
watching
us
we'll
make
sure
to
monitor
them
throughout
the
stream.
So
you
can
ask
them
for
our
twitch
youtube,
linkedin
or
periscope
your
choice
of
the
platform,
we're
gonna
answer
your
questions
and
I
am
currently
extremely
delighted
to
have
jasmine
james,
which
is
our
guest
today
and
we're
going
to
talk
about.
How
can
we
elevate
the
developer
experience
using
cloud
native
tooling
before
we
deep
dive
into
some
of
the
starting
questions?
Jasmine?
B
Absolutely
thank
you
so
much
katie
for
having
me
very
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
great
and
new
live
stream,
so
hi
everybody,
my
name
is
jasmine
james,
I'm.
Currently
the
developer
experience
lead
at
twitter.
Previous
to
twitter.
I
worked
for
delta
airlines.
Working
in
the
devops
center
of
excellence
had
a
hand
in
implementing
not
only
the
tooling
that
enabled
modern
development,
but
also
our
cloud
native
journey.
I'm
so
very
delighted
to
be
here.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today.
I'm
super
excited
to
have
you
especially
that
you
have
been
pregnant
in
the
community
for
quite
a
while
and
now
you're
one
of
the
co-chairs
for
kubecon
and
cloud
nativecon,
north
america,
so
we're
going
to
deep
dive
into
some
of
those
areas
and
topics
as
well,
but
before
we
do
so,
would
you
be
able
to
maybe
introduce
some
of
your
motivation
to
become
a
developer?
B
Absolutely
so
I
kind
of
found
myself
in
this
role
by
way
of
becoming
or
being
a
quality
engineer
at
the
start
of
my
career
and
a
systems
engineer
when
I
transitioned
to
delta
and
historically
all
of
my
roles
have
been
supporting
the
software
development
life
cycle
through
writing,
test
automation,
providing
infrastructure
automation
to
make
it
easy
for
deploying,
but
never
actually,
software
development.
So
devops
is
where
I
found
myself
over
the
past
few
years
and
by
having
you
know,
a
large
interaction
with
developers
enabling
them
learning
about
their
woes
and
pain
points.
B
There
was
always
a
part
of
me,
like
you
know.
Well,
we
could
leverage
a
lot
of
these
automation
and
a
lot
of
the
capabilities
that
are
out
there
to
make
their
lives
easier.
So,
during
my
time,
at
delta,
we
did
that
through
a
variety
of
you,
know,
capabilities,
automation,
kubernetes
implementing
the
platform
as
a
service,
and
I
really
loved
kind
of
the
ease
that
it
provided
right.
You
didn't
have
to
worry
about
so
many
aspects
of
deploying
and
it
really
changed
individual's
life,
so
it
became
a
passion
of
mine.
B
Recently
I
found
myself
working
coming
into
twitter
and
leading
the
developer
experience.
Pillar.
The
primary
responsibilities
of
our
pillar
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
interacting
with
customers,
internal
customers
being
engineers
and
making
sure
that
they're
heard
and
learning
their
pain
points
throughout
their
development
process.
So
I
work
closely
with
product
management
to
make
sure
we're
talking
to
customers,
driving
data
data
gathering
and
making
sure
prioritization
of
our
internal
projects
address
the
most
impactful
and
impactful
ways
to
our
internal
engineers.
B
So
that
could
be
things
like
making
sure
that
our
laptops
are
performant.
That
could
be
things
like
making
sure
that
we
have
documentation
in
place
even
something
as
simple
as
making
sure
that
they're
supported
while
they're
using
these
tools.
So
those
are
the
core
responsibilities
of
my
pillar
right
now,.
A
That's
actually
quite
insightful.
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
your
background
story,
because
I
think
everyone
has
such
a
different,
unique
way
to
get
into
using
cloud
native
tools
or
being
within
this
community.
So
it's
kind
of
for
me
personally.
It's
always
interesting
to
to
deep
dive
into
that.
Now.
You've
mentioned
that
the
developer
experience
at
twitter
at
moment
is
quite
kind
of
a
cornerstone
or
one
of
the.
Maybe
the
features
that
your
team
is
focusing
quite
heavily
now.
B
A
A
B
B
So
our
focus
is
making
sure
that
we're
talking
to
everyone
right
and
understanding
the
themes
that
are
preventing
a
large
part
of
the
organizations
from
being
as
productive
as
possible.
So
we're
taking
this
information,
synthesizing
it
and
then
gathering
data
to
make
sure
we're
validating
the
hypothesis
of
what
the
improvements
could
be.
B
A
Now
this
is
really
cool
and
actually
being
responsive
to
the
feedback
within
the
organization.
I
think
it's
one
of
the
main
engines
to
drive
the
product
by
the
culture
inside
as
well,
and
I
would
like
to
maybe
ask
how
you
achieve
delivering
this
best
developer
experience
using
cloud
native
tools
and
what
motivated
your
transition
into
looking
to
cloud-native
tools
and
adopting
them
internally.
B
All
those
things
had,
we
not
taken
the
steps
that
we
did
and
you
know,
or
have
the
framework
in
place
to
even
re-architect
real
time.
It
probably
would
have
not
been
as
fast
or
successful
of
a
adaptation,
so
that
was
a
large
part
of
prompting
within
the
delta
environment
at
twitter.
However,
you
know
very
different
environment.
B
I
was
so
surprised
you
know
going
into
such
a
very
like
mature
organization
work
using
the
best
of
the
technologies
that
are
out
there
for
scale,
because
the
scale
of
twitter
is
just
so
it's
so,
and
it's
very,
very
large.
So
it
was
a
very
interesting
to
see
how
they
were
leveraging.
It
they're
in
very
specific
ways,
right
for
very
specific
capabilities,
because
a
large
part
of
the
platform
needs
to
scale
quickly,
so
they
were
using
the
best
of
breed
technologies
to
do
just
that.
So
those
are
the
two
things.
A
That's
really
cool
actually
and
now
that
you've
adopted
all
kind
of
experience
with
using
cloud
native
internally.
Could
you
maybe
share
some
of
the
the
current
challenges
that
you're
facing,
or
maybe
something
that
you're
looking
along
the
the
way
to
solve,
as
as
a
roadmap
item
or
anything
like
that,.
B
B
So
one
of
the
challenges
that
I
I
think
exists
is
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
abstracting
a
layer
away
so
that
when
we
do
switch
new
stacks
new
technologies
and
bring
them
into
our
environment,
it's
not
so
disruptive.
It's
still
easy
to
continue
to
deliver,
and
it's
not
something
that
slows
teams
down
whether
it's
for
performance
reasons,
whether
it's
because
you
know,
there's
a
new,
better
capability
that
we
want
to
start
to
leverage
new
features.
It's
make
it
as
least
least
disruptive
as
possible.
B
Another
thing,
a
challenge
I
think
we
have
is
just
making
sure
that
we
continue
to
have
customer
feedback
on
the
new
things
we
implement,
we're
in
both
the
public
and
private
infrastructure
spaces
without
within
twitter,
so
making
sure
that
we're
hearing
customers
and
acting
on
that
feedback,
which
is
my
job.
So
it's
challenging
because
twitter
organization
is
huge
and
very
opinionated,
which
is
great
but
making
sure
we're
bringing
all
that
together
so
that
it's
a
holistic
experience
for
everyone.
A
So,
looking
forward
to
the
the
questions
from
the
audience
as
well,
I
have
some
two
more
questions
on
the
developer
experience
and
one
of
them
is
how
would
you
define
a
good
developer
experience
and
if
you
have
any
guidelines
for
someone
who
would
like
to
maybe
improve
the
way
they
interact
or
collect
feedback
or
action
or
feedback?
Do
you
have
any
guidelines
around
that,
or
maybe
some
standards
or
resources
you
could
share
forever.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
in
my
experience,
a
good
developer
experience
has
a
few
different
sort
of
attributes.
It's
seamless,
when
I
say
seamless,
I
mean
that
it's
very
fluid
and
it's
easy
for
changes
to
go
through
the
process
with
little
to
no
manual
intervention
in
some
of
the
environments
that
I've
worked
in.
B
So
things
like
certificate
applying
certificates
within
the
environment,
very
mundane
activity.
You
have
to
do
it
yearly,
sometimes
more
often
depending
on
your
security
requirements,
so
automating
that
and
making
it
easier
for
developers
to
focus
on
the
delivery
of
that
value.
I
think
is
a
great
place
to
be
for
developer
experience.
B
Another
thing
I
think
is
important
is
to
reduce
the
amount
of
waiting
so
in
most
environments
that
I've
worked
in
there's
always
some
component
of
waiting,
whether
it's
a
human
human
you're
waiting
for
for
approval,
or
maybe
it's
capacity
constraints
that
don't
allow
you
to
move
as
quickly
as
you
want
from
a
build
perspective,
but
making
sure
you
have
infrastructure
or
processes
in
place
to
make
sure
that
people
are
not
waiting
very
long
periods
of
time.
Because,
with
that
comes
you
know,
kind
of
context.
B
And
lastly-
and
this
is
probably
a
huge
one
of
my
favorite
and
most
important
things-
I
think
you
can
do-
is
make
everything
that
you
can
self-service
right.
Developers
want
to
have
capabilities
that
they
can
go,
do
real-time
in
the
moment
and
get
things
done
quickly,
so
they're
all
really
related.
Now
that
I
say
them
and
they
kind
of
feed
into
each
other,
but
I
think
those
are
all
great
components
of
a
good
developer
experience
as
far
as
guidelines.
B
B
However,
you
do
that
just
make
sure
you
have
a
pulse.
Some
companies
choose
to
do
surveys.
Some
companies
choose
to
make
sure
they're
having
customer
advisory
boards
or
even
quarterly
business
reviews
with
leadership,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
you're
tapping
into
all
levels
of
the
organization
and
understanding
what's
important
to
them.
What
is
making
the
most
impact
to
their
productivity
and
then
working
with
them
to
solve
that?
Whether
that's
a
dedicated
team
of
engineers,
because
the
team-
that's
the
team,
is
doing.
B
A
I
couldn't
agree
more
to
be
honest
and
thank
you
for
sharing
all
of
these.
The
good
pointers,
one
thing
that
you've
mentioned
before
and
I
would
like
maybe
to
expand
on
this
you've-
mentioned
the
documentation
internally
now
do
you
have
any
maybe
advices?
How
can
we
create
this?
A
synchronous
communication
channel
that
is
effective
and
efficient?
At
the
same
time,.
A
Actually,
both
of
them,
because
I
think
when
it
comes
to
developer
experience
like
one
of
the
things
is
like
how
do
you
consume
a
feature?
So
is
it
me
going
to
a
different
person,
or
is
it
me
maybe
having
a
wiki
page
internally,
which
will
provide
all
of
the
right
information?
So
do
you
have
anything
in
place
now
or
again?
Do
you
have
any
guidelines
on
this?
One.
A
B
Think
at
twitter,
especially
asynchronous
communication,
is
very
important.
We
took
the
step
of
becoming
a
disper
like
globally
dispersed
company,
so
it's
very
I'm
high
priority.
First
to
make
sure
information
is
easy
to
find
and
also
readable
right,
and
it
actually
has
impact
on
on
what
you're
trying
to
do.
So.
I
think
that
what
you
can
do
within
your
organization
to
make
this
something
that
is,
is
helpful
for
your
users
of
your
features
or
people
that
are
working
with
your
tooling.
B
I'm
just
making
sure
that
as
you're
developing
the
documentation
is
a
part
of
the
definition
of
done
and
making
sure
that
not
only
are
you
continuing
to
maintain
that
documentation
as
you
iterate
on
the
product,
but
also
make
sure
that
even
outside
of
iteration
on
the
product
go
through.
It
make
sure
that,
from
the
customer
perspective,
it
still
makes
sense
based
on
the
use
cases
that
your
customers
have
so
use
cases
change
all
the
time.
B
People
use
many
different
tools
in
ways
that
I'm
sure
the
creators
of
those
tools
never
thought
so
just
always
examining
those
different
use
cases
and
making
sure
you're
maintaining
documentation
very
frequently,
because
this
is
a
place,
it's
a
central
place
and
you
can
cause
a
lot
of
toil.
If
it's
very
it's
not
there's
gaps
right,
you
can
cause
a
lot
of
toil
from
your
end
users,
so
just
prioritizing
that
I
think,
is
a
great
thing
to
do
within
your
company.
A
I
think
yeah,
as
you
mentioned,
iteration,
is
key
in
developing
any
features,
but,
more
importantly,
in
developing
and
maintaining
documentation
as
well,
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
distributing
nature
distributed
nature
of
the
teams
nowadays,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
you
that
currently,
we
know
that
developer
experience
aims
to
improve
the
complete
or
the
overall
software
development
life
cycle.
However,
I
would
like
to
ask
you
how
it
actually
having
a
good
developer
experience
internally?
How
can
it
impact
the
culture,
but,
more
importantly,
can
it
help
to
build
like
different
recruitment
strategies
by
any
chances.
B
B
I'm
sorry
a
competitive
advantage,
because
if
you
are
using
the
latest
and
greatest
tooling,
but
also
have
a
great
culture
of
your
developers
being
heard
right,
those
developers
their
feedback
being
taken
into
account
when
planning
future
tooling
decisions
or
even
process
decisions.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
our
developers
to
be
heard
and
word
of
mouth
is
so
powerful.
You
know
within
the
tech
community,
like
developers
talk
to
other
developers
right.
B
A
A
B
A
That's
great,
hopefully
going
to
get
a
lot
of
practitioners
from
the
cloud
native
applying
for
those
as
well
yeah.
Now,
the
the
next
thing
I'd
like
to
move
is,
of
course,
keep
going
and
cloud
native
con
north
america.
We
just
finished
the
kipcon
cloud
native
con
europe,
which
was
just
two
weeks
ago,
but
now
already
looking
forward
to
our
hybrid
event,
which
is
going
to
happen
in
los
angeles,
so
jasmine.
A
You
have
been
chosen
as
a
deferred
co-chair
for
for
this
conference,
which
I
I
would
like
to
give
my
biggest
congratulations.
I
think
this
is
absolutely
amazing
and
I
would
like
to
ask
what
are
you
looking
most
forward
within
this
role
being
a
co-chair
for
kipcon?
What
are
your
feelings
about
this
month?.
B
I
I
was
like
just
super
humbled
and,
like
I
felt
so
privileged
like
to
even
be
thought
of,
because,
like
being
a
part
of
this
community,
I
that
was
a
win
for
me,
like
learning
from
peer
companies.
Learning
from
peers
of
different
companies
like
that
was
the
win
for
me,
but
now
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
other,
like
veteran
co-chairs
like
steven
and
constance,
and
learn
more
about
the
process
of
how
this
experience
is
shaped
and
how
we're
like
fostering
and
nurturing
the
community.
It's
a
real
real
privilege.
B
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
going
from
a
participant
and
taking
the
gems
that
are
dropped
and
within
the
cfp
process
right
going
through
and
seeing
the
themes.
There
double
clicking
on
a
lot
of
them
to
understand,
like
the
perspective
of
abstracts
and
understanding,
exactly
how
we
can
shape
new
conversations
and
bring
about
these
new
perspectives
that
a
lot
of
presenters
will
bring
for
the
conference
outside
of
just
having
insight
into
the
themes.
B
A
This
is
great
actually,
so
currently,
I'm
definitely
looking
forward
to
the
keynotes,
which
are
going
to
be,
of
course
curated
by
by
the
co-chairs.
So,
yes,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
great
and
I
think
the
community
is
absolutely
blessed
to
have
someone
like
you
as
a
co-chair
as
well
and
moving
towards
more
of
the
technical
part
of
kubecon.
Now
that
capcom
europe
is
it's
complete.
A
We
have
some
seen
some
of
the
underlying
themes
and
maybe
some
categories
of
new
tooling,
such
as
like
wasm
or
security
edge,
I
think,
is
always
going
to
be
there
at
this
stage.
I
know
it's
quite
early,
but
do
you
envision
any
any
new
predictions
or
new
themes
that
are
going
to
be
covered
during
cape
cod
on
a
or
maybe
some
trends,
you've
seen
from
your
perspective
as
an
as
an
end
user
and
as
part
of
the
community
or
more
involved
in
the
community
nowadays,.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
it
is
quite
early,
but
based
on
kind
of
what
I've
the
pulse
like
out
there
of
what
I've
been
hearing
through
the
grapevine
twitter
places
like
that.
I
think
that
once
I
go
through
the
north
america
process,
I
have
a
much
better
idea,
but
I
I
just
I
think
that
the
new
technologies,
new
projects
like
wasm
you
mentioned,
are
going
to
be
highlighted
in
ways
as
they
start
to
get
adopted
by
additional
end
users
right.
B
So
finding
new
use
cases
and
ways
to
apply
these
new
technologies
is
what
I'm
most
interested
in
learning
about,
and
we've
seen
like
from
cloud
kubecon
eu
different
ways
that
people
are
applying
technologies
for
covid,
like
you
know,
utilizing
cloud
native
technologies
to
literally
save
the
world.
So
it's
it's
very
interesting
to
hear
those
really
impactful
in
user
stories,
so
I'm
hoping
that
they
start
to
reference
some
incubated
projects.
So
that
way
we
can
just
learn
new
use
cases,
new
ways
to
solve
problems
out
there
in
the
world.
A
Absolutely
so,
when
you're
mentioning
about
how
can
we
apply
cloud
native
technologies
to
real
use
cases,
priyanka
actually
had
a
great
keynote
on?
How
can
we
apply
this
within
the
the
copy
time?
So
I
definitely
would
would
encourage
everyone
to
to
see
that
keynote
and
watch
it
again.
I
think
it
it's
done
great
on
that
one.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
focus
on
as
well
is,
of
course,
jasmine.
You
are
a
big
advocate
for
diversity
and
inclusion
within
the
technology
industry,
so
I'd
like
to
kind
of
maybe
explore
your
view
of
what
do
you
think
or
where
do
you
think
the
diversion
inclusion
stands
at
the
moment
within
the
cloud
native
ecosystem.
B
Absolutely
so,
this
is
very
important
to
me,
and
I
I
feel
like
at
this
point
in
like
life
and
where
we
are
as
a
country
in
the
world
diversity.
Inclusion
is
definitely
a
part
of
a
lot
of
conversations
that
are
happening,
which
is
great.
It's
really
important
that
there's
acknowledgement
of
the
gaps
that
do
exist
within
multiple
spaces,
not
just
cloud
native
and
tech
in
general.
B
So
I
think
that
we
do
have
a
long
way
to
go,
but,
like
I
mentioned,
the
conversation
has
started.
I
do
think
there
are
companies
that
are
doing
great
things
to
make
sure
that
people
from
underrepresented
backgrounds
are
lifted
up
and
enabled
in
ways
that
they
weren't
before
you
know
the
cncf
process,
like
a
cncf,
you
know
conference
process
making
sure
that
we
have
allies
that
are
working
with
these
underrepresented
folks
to
work
on
talks,
making
sure
we
have
representation
within
all.
The
talks
are
really
great
things
to
do.
B
I
feel,
like
our
code
of
conduct,
the
things
that
we
do
to
make
sure
folks
feel
comfortable
will
also
help
make
sure
that
we
have
good
participation
for
folks
from
folks
from
other
groups
too.
So
I
think
we're
we're
doing
great.
We
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
go,
but
it's
just
a
continuous
conversation
that
we
have
to
just
kind
of
keep
top
of
mind.
B
Yes,
absolutely
so,
I
think
that
it's
important
to
just
to
be
there
as
an
ally
for
people
that
are
from
underrepresented
groups
and
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
making
them
feel
comfortable
right.
This
is
a
new
space.
It's
you
know,
making
sure
they
feel
comfortable,
contributing
whether
it's
you
know
to
the
point
of
contributing
to
even
some
of
the
projects
right,
if
a
folk,
a
person
does
not
have
a
traditional
background
that
it
may
be
a
little
daunting
to
kind
of
hop
into
open
source
contributions.
B
So
there's
someone
who's
interested
in
doing
that
support
them
in
that
process
and
use
it
as
like
a
mentoring
like
opportunity.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
great
leaders
within
the
cloud
native
community
that
we
have
and
using
everything
you
know
to
lift
someone
else
up-
is
such
a
such
a
great
thing
to
do.
It's
just
really
really
great
thing
to
do
so.
I
think
that
that's
one
thing
we
can
do
to
really
start
to
increase
engagement
and
pull
people
in
to
our
fantastic
world
that
we've
created
yeah.
A
I
couldn't
agree
more.
One
thing
that
I
want
to
mention
here
is
that
there
we
have
the
diversity
scholarships
that
you
can
apply
for
if
you'd
like
to
attend
kipcon.
So
if
you
a
part
of
this
one
underrepresented
groups,
you'll
be
able
to
join
the
conference,
we're
going
to
give
well,
the
cncf
is
going
to
give
you
a
ticket,
and
what
I
want
to
mention
here
is
that
that
was
my
first
experience,
how
I
got
into
into
the
community.
I
got
to
go
to
kubecon
in
seattle.
That
was
in
2018.
A
sounds
like
eight
years
ago,
but
that
was
one
of
these
still
personally,
for
me,
was
one
of
the
best
cube
cons
ever
it
was
in
seattle.
I'd
remember
the
keynote
stage
and
of
course
we
had
at
the
time
kelsey
hightower
giving
a
killer
keynote.
So,
for
me,
that
was
when
I
got
the
the
kind
of
the
maximum
proximity
to
the
community,
and
I
I
couldn't
be
delighted
more
and
that's
why
I
stayed
since
since
that
clipcon,
I'm
still
part
of
the
community
now.
A
B
So
that's
why
it's
so
great
that
cncf
is
scholarships
to
encourage
other
folks
who
don't
have
that
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
this
great
world.
So
during
my
time
at
delta,
I'm
not
even
sure
that,
like
you
know,
the
end
user
sort
of
term
or
status
was
a
thing,
but
there
was
just
always
great
stories,
always
great
stories
of
how
companies
were
applying
kubernetes.
B
You
know
different
type
of
capabilities,
messaging
capabilities
to
really
level
up
the
value
that
they
were
delivering
to
their
external
customers
and
at
the
time
we
were
very
early
in
our
cloud
native
journey,
and
one
of
the
main
focuses
that
I
had
was.
We
cannot
reinvent
the
world
right
one.
I
didn't
have
the
people
to
really
sort
of
like
develop
all
these
things
internally,
so
we
try
to
you
know,
do
it
any.
B
You
know
great
things
as
we
try
to
take
as
much
as
we
can
right
and
then
form
it
up
into
a
solution
for
our
purpose.
So
my
experience
was
just
focusing
on
those
stories
and
learnings
and
it
made
getting
started
with
cloud
native
a
lot
easier
because
we
didn't
have
to
go
through
the
sort
of
the
toil
and,
like
the
you
know,
the
failures
that
other
folks
went
in
to
like
it
was
a
very
transparent
conversation.
B
B
I'm
happy
to
still
be
in
the
end
user
sort
of
status
at
twitter,
although
it's
from
like
just
a
different
like
side
of
things,
but
it's
just
a
great
community
to
build
relationships
and
and
be
able
to
talk
transparently
about
your
challenges,
sort
of
like
a
support
group.
But
it's
you
know
a
little.
We
talk
about
how
we
can
get
past
those
things.
We
don't
just
dwell
on
the
failures.
A
A
B
Absolutely,
as
an
end
user,
I
feel
that
you
know
I've
taken
a
lot
of
stories,
a
lot
of
just
information
from
the
community
and
it's
important
to
give
back
right.
It's
the
you
know
reciprocal
relationship.
You
know
if
you're,
using
and
you're
learning
from
others
within
the
community
share
your
learnings.
How
are
you
applying
what
they
are
putting
out
there?
How
is
it
working
for
you?
B
So
working
with
like
partners
from
the
cnc's,
you
have
to
do
that
participating
in
streams
like
this
are
all
great
ways
to
tell
your
story.
Another
component,
I
think
that's
very
important-
is
if
you're
leveraging
cncf
projects
heavily
internally.
How
can
you
operationalize
giving
back
to
that
open
source
project,
making
sure
that
you
know
if
you
are
building
on
right,
the
open
source
component
with
internally?
Why
not
contribute
that
information
back?
A
Well,
that
was
truly
inspirational
and
fantastic
castro,
I
would
say
I
would
like.
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
take
these
these
advices
so
pretty
much.
These
are
all
of
the
the
questions
and
topics
we
wanted
to
cover
today.
Do
you
have
maybe
any
last
remarks
in
regards
to
the
upcoming
kubecon,
or
maybe
would
like
to
highlight
some
of
the
resources
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
wider
audience
anything
yeah.
B
Absolutely
I
would
just
encourage
everyone
to
register
for
cubecon
north
america.
You
know
it's
our
first,
hopefully
hybrid
event
on
fingers
crossed
that
in
la
we
can
all
you
know
see
each
other,
I'm
like
just
talking
to
katie
earlier,
I'm
very
excited
to
get
back
to
interacting
with
folks
and
sharing,
like
all
of
those
gems
that
we
talked
about,
especially
from
the
end
user
side
of
things.
So
you
know
the
website
is
you
know
kubecon,
north
america?
You
can
register
there.
B
Other
things,
just
you
know,
be
a
part
of
the
community
right.
We
have
we're
on
slack
we're
in
a
lot
of
different
places.
So
this
is
not
just
something
that
we're
doing
once
a
year
right.
The
community
is
always
there
and
ready
to
share
and
and
really
bring
people
in
from
the
diversity
and
inclusion
perspective,
I'm
always
open
to
help
people
form
up
cfps
for
future
conferences
if
you're
needing
help.
B
You
know
under
like
really
like
honing
in
on
your
topic,
I'm
so
happy
to
share
and
make
sure
that
everyone
feels
confident
in
submitting,
for
you
know
to
tell
their
story
on
the
cloud
native
con
and
kubecon
stage.
So
those
are
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention,
but
yeah,
and
just
thank
you
katie
for
having
me
today.
It's
been
a
real
pleasure.
Speaking
with
you.
A
A
So
with
this
I'd
like
to
thank
all
everyone
who
joined
us
for
the
latest
episode
of
cloud
native
endorser
lounge,
it
was
great
to
have
you
jasmine
and
talking
especially
talking
about
how
the
developer
experience
can
be
elevated
using
cloud
native
tools.
We
will
try
to
bring
as
a
reminder.
We
try
to
bring
these
streams
every
fourth
thursday
of
the
month
at
9am
pt.
So
please
join
us
in
june.
A
We've
recently
redesigned
our
end
user
page,
which
you
can
see
popped
up
here,
which
is
cncf.io
for
slash,
end
user
and
you'll
be
able
to
find
all
of
the
latest
case
studies
around
our
indies
organizations
and
all
of
the
benefits
of
being
part
of
our
community,
and
with
that,
thank
you
jasmine
again
for
for
joining
us
and
I
hope
to
see
you
in
the
future
streams
as
well.
Thank
you.