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A

um I'll just announce it real, quick, hey everyone, we just started the meeting and then we realized we should record it. uh We weren't very far in it's uh the september 8th 2021, github working group events, committee, weekly meeting, um here's a link to the there's link to the agenda.

A

um I started writing down what a few folks had said. So um I don't know if uh someone actually, I started recording, but that doesn't mean I need to moderate. It would would someone else like to moderate this.

B

Yeah I'll, moderate, okay, cool and I'll take notes.

B

So um yeah we were, we were just discussing the giveaways and how that's gonna work and, um uh let's see aubry, you were saying that you were doing these giveaways on seats. Yes,.

C

So so last I heard- and I can confirm this: if it's helpful, um we were told we could leave giveaways on the seats of attendees before the event starts. We were also considering doing shirts at one point and there was a question from our events team back to cncf. If we did shirts would we be allowed to hand those out at the back of the room, so people can go through sizes and the number of touch points basically that you'd have. um So that's why we ended up doing like a standard.

C

If you will giveaway versus something we need to customize a little bit so.

D

Maybe that has something.

C

To do with the qr piece that you were talking about, but it sounds like we've gotten some pretty different information.

E

No, I didn't even got that much. I literally told oh, it's just placed on a table and people can do it from there. Okay, so I like the chair, wasn't even I didn't. I wasn't even aware, but there's like a, um but there will be a room with chairs set up. Okay,.

B

So I it sounds like your giveaway is functioning.

A

Oops can can you still there can anyone here? I can't hear him. Okay, you mute for some reason. Yeah.

B

You can't hear me there.

C

You are all right.

B

Hey, can you hear me now.

F

B

All right sorry, um it sounds like it's a different kind of giveaway that you're doing because you're just putting it out on seats and sonya you're talking about having a form for like a raffle right.

E

Yeah correct: that's why I also asked if there's virtually something done, but they told me no, it's only for people in the room.

B

Okay, because I think I think we were interested in doing like a raffle kind of thing- yeah fill out a form, so those are always nice to do live and you can call out people like you know in between stuff, but I don't think we built anything into the schedule to do that.

A

Is there anything else I should note down, because I I was trying to listen sonia, but I was also trying to figure out like stuff with the notes right when you and aubrey were talking about the sponsor stuff. You mentioned something about a raffle. Should I is there anything else? I should note about that. Besides, like in our notes. Besides.

B

uh That I think the question is: should we build time into the schedule to allow for a raffle to be done live we can always do it after the event I mean you can always put out like forms and stuff that say, hey fill this out, but um I don't know who all's doing one, but if there was like, if there's like three of them, we could probably accommodate three five-minute raffle.

B

You know segments, you know what I mean. If there's ten of them, then we probably can't.

A

And also is the raffle primarily for for uh can it be for remote participants as well for what participants remote participants, yeah, okay,.

E

So the cncf told me no, it is only for people in the room which then raises my question about the raffle, so I have to be physically present and to hand it out. It's you know, sort of confusing, especially when aubrey had different instructions. It's very confusing. Now.

B

Yeah, okay, so this I'll take this as a question to the cncf and share back what I hear because to me it's like well! If we, if we did take five minutes to do a raffle, why wouldn't we put it online and why wouldn't I mean unless, unless you're telling me we've worked, wouldn't want to ship something to somebody or wouldn't give them a chance to participate?

B

um It seems pretty reasonable to me to like build in a couple of short sessions for people to be like hey. This is what we're giving away thanks for coming out, uh go fill out this form to enter, to win and we'll do the raffle at the end of the day or we'll do a raffle in five and I'll. Give you three minutes to everybody, putting their information and then we'll do the giveaway right now and we'll announce the winner and we'll do one live, and one virtual tonight.

E

It may not seem.

B

Reasonable yeah.

E

Can I um it does, can I ask um if you have any idea about registration numbers for this, especially for in person, because I also I'm curious how much travel really will be happening?

E

I think out there I heard that they still have 4 000 registrants for the show itself, but it wasn't broken down further. So I was quite curious.

B

That's right and I asked about the number- and I think that they thought that I was just asking for overall and I clarified, and they haven't gotten back to me. So I've got kind of a couple of open items that I'm chasing with the cncf right now and that's one of them.

E

Oh cool thanks.

C

Appreciate that what is the overall number right now dan? Can you share that it.

B

Was like four 000 in person was playing. Oh.

C

For get ops con itself, no for.

B

Kubecon come.

C

On okay, do we have the numbers for gaps con as a whole, yet no.

B

They didn't, I think she misunderstood when I asked and she was like we're.

C

Not releasing any.

B

More information about registration numbers- and I was like well like no for like our day, though like we want to know.

A

B

Can we bring enough swag, you know whatever yeah, I think we can accommodate like 400 people, something like that.

C

I think that the number- and this is a really old number, but the number they gave our events team for ordering swag- was um 250, but that's like a four to six week old number. Okay, it was a total swept in the dark. I think.

B

All right, so that's another note, um scott. If you want to put down an action item for me there, uh that's for me to take I'll go chase that around with the cncf.

B

um Let's see and then feel free to add stuff to the agenda as we go through because we're we're kind of just uh freewheeling it here. But if anybody has any hot items that they want to discuss, please jump them in. Otherwise I'm going to keep on bringing stuff up.

A

I do have a hobby.

B

Is it the wave works panel or the the get-offs panel.

A

No, it's really just this, I'm actually going to copy and paste it into the into the dog one. Second,.

E

I do have a um I do, have a progression, um so is it correct that speakers at get ups con will have to purchase a cube con registration.

D

I heard yes last time. I asked that question.

E

Okay, that's what I heard as well. I wanted to make sure that everybody is there on the same page too,.

A

What what I was trying to cut and paste, and now I'm like tight, um I know we gotta.

E

And upscan we'll have to buy a kubecon registration, so they're not automatically registered and they cannot only have a speaker registration for getupscon. They have to purchase a cubecon registration.

E

Because I ran into this with two of my um team members.

E

Sounds like everybody did.

B

Yeah, I I wonder like because we're saying the scenario is that we, someone is registered just basically for github's con and they come in and just go to that, but they're not planning to go into doing these sessions and stuff like that. It's.

E

Speaker, registration right, like I'm talking about somebody, oh.

B

Just specifically for speakers yeah.

E

Specifically for speakers, I might understand that the regular attendee obviously have to do both um since it's a co-educated event, but I found it interesting that the speaker has to have basically purchased a coupon registration in order to participate in their speaking event at get off's fun.

D

Yeah, so it's kind of weird so since, um since I guess some of us are speaking at both kubecon and in getupscon um that registration was included but you're right there's. If there's a situation where someone's speaking at get ops con they have, but not at kubecon, they would have to buy kubecon yeah.

E

Okay, I ran into two of my team members yeah. I find it really interesting.

A

E

Something that's.

A

Definite or is that something that we want some more clarity on or no.

E

A

E

A

Me, okay in email, so are we concerned that any of our speakers that we invited to speak might not have known this and might not be able to come.

E

I do not know, I cannot answer that question.

A

Okay, maybe we can cross that bridge when we come to it. If.

B

Yeah, let's, let's add another action item scott thanks for doing this, um for uh while I'm all following up with the cncf, uh how many speakers have already registered so that we can see if there's any issue with um people potentially missing.

E

Yeah that'd be good because it is a um it's. Not it's not coupon registration is not cheap.

A

All right and if we need to push back on the policy that get ups con speakers would need to purchase.

A

Coupon ticket okay.

A

Yeah so because I'm clear as of now, what this would look like if, for example, a number of our speakers that you're really depending on we're just like wait a second I'm speaking at kucon, and it's it's it's for this, it's for specifically this co-located event, but but still, I need to pay for my ticket why you know, uh and maybe.

C

That may be fine.

A

For for folks who we've invited that are from major companies, um but perhaps others who are still very important speakers that don't necessarily have that, might be thrown off and it might, it might draw off our agenda. So we might okay well I'll, put that on an action item for you to check.

B

Okay, thank you.

D

And you're you're, muted, now dan.

B

I'm really good at this today, um scott, you wanted to talk about prep for the welcome instead of get ops with, uh I think it's you and I.

A

Yeah, just just a quick note, because this is something that also could, I want to say it's not just on uh the six of us or anyone else, who's on the evidence committee. That's not in this meeting. This is really for. Ultimately, it's it's up for, let's see, ultimately, it is on the responsibility and dan just because we signed up for it. um I think probably it's also the responsibility of all the co-chairs, so that also includes leo just to make sure that that the group is um initially well represented.

A

You know in a summary, but I think like also it really is something that is up to all the working group members to be able to contribute to if they want. If there's something, that's important, that's that group members want to highlight.

A

We should we shouldn't give everyone in the group the opportunity to to bring that up and put that on the agenda um and we'll have to, of course, massage at the end and see we have time for and what's really high importance, but, but uh so I just wanted to bring it up to see if, first of all, if that sounds okay to all of you, if the basic plan of of sending out an email- or you know to the mailing list and to slack um to all the working group members um and then raising it at our next meeting, sounds like a good way to go.

A

uh Does anyone have any problems with that or have any things that already as working group members you're like hey, we need to add that.

B

Sounds good all right, so you.

D

You and I will take.

B

It then uh and we'll work on it. Okay,.

D

Cool, when is the next all all group meeting tomorrow? Oh um no, I don't. I thought they changed right. It.

A

Did right so here's the thing we actually have to we actually have to. We just talked about this in the last meeting. Oh.

C

A

And leo yeah, I know it's a little bit uh confusing because we just changed to it to a two, a fortnightly schedule for for everyone, and the only additional meeting. That's regular right now from the committees is the this one for the events committee, because we're counting down to to get off to county kud. So um every other committee is free to meet when they want to. You know like um they just have to make it clear to the group and to anyone who might want to participate. That is happening.

A

So don't just do it secretly, you know for transparency, um and then that's really it so we then we only have one regular, we'll have only one real regular meeting for the get out to working group.

A

Two weeks now last week, since the last time we said it was two was was uh last week, so we actually missed that one. So, um since we're kind of all busy doing other things, my suggestion to the other co-chairs was hey. Can we just do it next week that way, we'll still keep it on a two-week cadence?

A

We just missed that one week and it seems like everybody's cool with that, so we'll announce it, but the next the next all-group meeting is going to be next wednesday at this time and we'll and we'll rearrange the events committee meeting around it cool.

A

B

A

Could everyone do that.

B

Yeah we could yeah that'll, probably work: okay, yeah, um okay. So the next thing is: uh oh wait, I'm confused now and then looking at the agenda. I had added an item here, but I don't see it anymore, um which was just to talk about the panel. Talk that um I don't know who all's been following this, but we have a panel discussion with basically all like the working group members, so aws is represented.

B

I'm on the panel sonia uh sorry um cornelia was on the panel and then jesse butler from aws was on the panel. Since cornelia went to aws, um there was a desire to have a different representative from weave works.

B

um So one of the concerns that was had was that cornelia was our only female representative on the panel, and so we were thinking. We really really definitely don't want to lose her, uh so jesse butler from aws basically said well, I know cornelia is still interested in get ops, I'm going to talk to her about taking my spot, so she would be represent taking the aws spot and then we would have presumably a different spot for someone at get offs.

B

Some someone at weave works- and um I don't know if you had any thoughts about who that would be, uh or if you've been into this discussion I suggested hey scott could do it. Maybe alexis would be on station, could do it. I think uh leonardo is not traveling, so he won't be there.

E

I think yeah, I think leo's traveling um yeah. I know it's it's really tricky um I might have. I could.

E

I potentially could ask somebody on my team, um a female representative from the engineering team. Potentially, um if we wanted to keep um you know the gender ratio or well trying to keep something.

B

In a ratio that would improve it because.

G

B

I think is, unless she says no, I think we're gonna she's gonna represent.

E

Yeah, I think so too yeah. I did hear that she's still very interested, and I also believe that she's able to do it, I don't think, there's a conflict of interests, um so it should be fine. um I could um scott I'm thinking of liz if we could ask her potentially.

E

On our team, so that might be an option sure.

A

Yeah, that sounds that sounds great to me. I think you know maybe.

E

Because yeah, I'm struggling, usually with that too quite frank there's just too many of you boys around.

A

I know I know you know, um but.

E

Yeah, so I could reach out and see if that's an option: um she's our vp of engineering, so that might be an interesting one, um she's coming from a financial background. um So that might be a really interesting one potentially to add to the mix.

A

That sounds great to me. um You know. Basically, I think I think all of us- hopefully um you know, are definitely allies and want to make this both as diverse and to have this the most subject matter: experts um in each area possible and to balance those things as well as we.

B

A

B

A

That sounds like.

B

Mm-Hmm, that sounds like a good plan. Are you on that email thread sonia and scott.

E

Maybe in the depths of my inbox, potentially I'm not sure let.

B

Me let me look and make sure because, um like the discussion.

E

Is already happening, I don't think I read all my emails from last week to be quite honest with you yeah I'm behind I'm sorry, four-day four-day work weeks are not they're.

B

E

B

You're you're not on it, so I'm gonna add you and uh christian's on it. So he's he's aware, but um I'll add uh sonya and scott from weaver.

E

And she's also brand new to us, so it'll be nice. She can really draw a lot from her background. You know, which would be nice from uh you know, from a neobank she's coming from metal, so interesting background. I think and then, if I can't think of anybody else I'll let you know.

A

Yeah, that's that seems really cool. I think.

E

um Did we ask, may large from state farm? That's the other person that I can think of. Did we check with her on that.

A

No! No, not about that. Not about that um we're talking about um the panel right, the not the p wait. Are we.

D

A

Yeah, so so um right, so so right, there's two panel like so one is the kubecon panel that we were just talking about and by the way before we move on to the one that you just mentioned, sonia the the user panel with may um another person that that potentially would would fit that bill very nicely, and I think do very well is allison from the dx team um at weaveworks.

A

So that could I mean really. We can just talk more about what we think you know who would be best there, and maybe we can offline that one. Since it's a sponsor, yeah, okay, yeah.

E

And me might be befitting for the kubecon panel too, because of her background as well right. So that's that's how I bring her up again, um that's the other one. I can think of she's very outspoken and she likes um she likes to um talk about tech, so yeah with the right background. So these are yeah yeah, all good options. I think.

A

So what you're saying is like, I think we confused me for a second, because I was somehow thinking that the folks from our sponsor spots would be working at the companies that are sponsoring, but um maybe they don't necessarily have to.

A

That's interesting: okay, yeah! I got you, I got you sorry, so you were right. I was confused for a second. I was thinking about the uh the end user panel, which he is on.

E

Yeah he's on that um okay, yeah loop me in and then I'll reach out to liz. uh We can reach out to allison. I can discuss, see um who's available, able, I don't think either of them will travel. I think both of them will be virtual. I don't know if that matters, but because both of them are in the uk.

A

Got it so I'm gonna make an action item for dan to loop. Awesome does.

E

D

I think it does, I think it's like.

E

D

E

Okay, then I'm running into problems, because I don't think that I'm not I'm trying not to ship anybody from europe to the us right now. It's too complicated. It's.

B

Really hard to get people from europe right now, yeah.

E

B

I'm gonna lose like half my team. Yes,.

E

It's very very difficult um and the I don't know what the um I just don't know what the entry requirements will be in october. Either I mean the us is banned right now for europe, so that way it doesn't work, and then I don't know the opposite and it's very complicated right now too, I think we never. I think the us never opened again to european travelers, so yeah.

G

You guys are traveling the state department's website. I tried the other day, it's very hard to so.

B

G

My understanding is that if you're an.

B

Eu citizen, if you're eu citizen, you need to get you need to like apply for a visa. Essentially- um and I don't know how likely are you you are to get them, but that's what we're doing right now for a few people.

E

Yeah, I think it's a um specific business reason behind it right because it's not only the essa requirement anymore, there's more to it right, yeah, okay, yeah! I I'm trying to stay clear.

B

So wait, do you do you, then you don't have a speaker um represent. We works right now.

E

In the u.s, I might not not a female speaker.

B

Okay, I mean, I think it's like it's one of those things where we all would prefer that, and I think with the original plan was cornelia and then all the other speakers were male, which is you know, I mean at least there's a little bit of representation.

B

It's not you know, you know, there's not that many people involved in the project, so it's uh it's it's a little tough to to, uh and we obviously want more people to get participate, but I think like if we still have cornelia at least representing and then should be representing from aws.

B

You know, I don't think we would be grudge, weave works if, um ultimately, what we're talking about is not changing the original makeup anyway, from a diversity standpoint. Obviously we all it's so hard to talk about everybody's like no. We really want it to be, but also- but my point is that if you're not changing the makeup of the of the group anyway, then I wouldn't consider it like you know a total fail.

B

I think it's it would be great to have if we can, but if you're saying like hey the speaker literally can't make it into the country that we would have it do it so we're going to have you know leonardo sit in instead, yeah, that's something.

E

Let me um let me, let me see.

B

All right, well you're, looped in on the thread, so feel free to take it forward and uh thank you and uh see what we can do from the webwork side. um Well,.

A

Christian is that correct you gotta fly into mexico and then drive in.

E

No, you, you guys are laughing hey.

D

You never know.

E

You can do three days bahamas.

D

D

Yeah, I know I'm in l.a, yeah yeah.

E

That sounds pretty great yeah. This is right: they've been to bahamas for three days yeah. As long as there's no hurricane coming along that way, yeah everybody will be happy.

D

B

um Okay, so are there? Are there any other implications of the get ops con event from cornelia uh moving to aws that we need to address, and I can't remember what what's happening on the schedule or if we're still locked in and good to go.

B

I think this is a weave works question. Are you guys looking at the schedule right now.

A

I am not, I might let sonia take this one. um Let me.

E

E

Navigate to it, okay, so what was your question again.

B

uh I was wondering if there were any implications of cornelia, because cornelia went to aws if there are any implications to the didops con schedule that we need to be worried about.

E

I'm looking right now, I don't think so.

E

I don't think so.

B

We have this birds of a feather session with tracy reagan, and I aren't there more people on that hold.

E

On, where is that, oh friend, or no.

B

Oh, no, I'm looking at get up summit. I'm sorry.

E

I was like, I don't even see that guys.

A

So many things.

E

I have like four events: okay in the next three months or whatever I'm like I'm just like go away all all of you and half of them.

D

E

Half of them virtual, I'm like wow, uh no, I think it should be all good. um I don't think so.

G

Why can't I even find the event page right? That's that's.

B

Why I was struggling and is it still happening? Are we still doing this event that we all planned and then cfp's for and have sponsored no.

E

It's all fine, um there shouldn't be any implication towards it. um It should be all good.

E

B

All right well uh I'll say that the onus is on you. If, if there's, if there's anything to work out, you're representing we've worked so I'll, let you do it.

E

No, it's all good. Thank you thanks for pointing it out, though, appreciate it.

A

The one thing I wanted to note that I didn't put on the agenda is like it's really our.

A

I think it's really up to the events committee here to to make sure that all of our speakers who who are going to be remote or who think they might have to be remote, send in a recorded a recording of their session by friday. That's two days from now.

A

You know I mean this was known beforehand, so it's not like, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but cncf and cncf should have sent this email to all the speakers as well yeah, but just because we're organizing this, it would be really nice to know if anybody's, if anybody's, projecting having trouble with that, you know, don't you think yeah.

A

What should we do? I mean it's kind of interesting, because now we have cncf, basically linux foundation, cncf event, organizers, kind of managing some pieces of this and we're managing some pieces of it. So is that all completely in their wheelhouse? Is that something that.

E

I would, I would think, that's all in the cncf wheelhouse now yeah.

D

Yeah yeah, I I agree because since they're, the ones that are going to be like wheeling out the tv screens right and like throwing all the recording, um I figured that that's in their in their wheelhouse. Okay,.

A

Well, I guess they'll kick it back to the program committee for each event and that's us if something's yeah, okay,.

D

I think so well, we should probably double check that, but yeah I would assume so I.

E

Have no overview who was planning on doing virtually or in person, so I wouldn't even know how to go about that. I mean that's all with those cncf yeah.

D

E

As a speaker, you should have registered by september 3rd, and I know that because two of my team members ran into this registration problem, but or do I need to pay 1500 now for kubecon thing, um so yeah.

B

So I you know what scott um add it to my action item since I've talked to the cf cncf anyway, here uh just to double check. um If we're good with all the virtual speakers- and I can report all this stuff back into the slack channel once I get the information.

D

The only issue, one.

B

Big email right dan, it's just gonna- be one big email for me. Basically, I might make it a document that they can edit. You know just.

C

Fill in your box.

B

The uh yeah, the the only issue with the schedule that I see right now beyond the question about doing giveaways, is that 9 20 a.m. Tales from the branches get ups in the real world. Is I'm moderating that discussion, but I'm not listed on the thing so I'll. Take that to get myself listed on it um yeah sure, and then we do have cornelia davis there listed as representing the works in that event.

B

B

If you're fine with it, I'm fine with it.

B

um Okay, cool, that's that's all the stuff that I had anything else. Anybody else wants to bring up.

D

I have one thing I put on the agenda: just really really quick yeah, um so this is dan. This is about- and I pinged um scott and sonia about this before about getting those little graphic things. um I posted a link um during the the session we had tweeted out. Hey next is coming up this person next coming up this first next coming up this person so uh part two of scheduling the tweets. I would like to get some of these beforehand.

D

I could have sworn I. I saw an issue where someone designed these, like, I don't think it was any of one of us that designed that- or maybe it was- I don't know- I think.

A

It was, I believe, it was sonia.

F

Yeah, so here's.

E

What do you want.

F

You want the edible files yeah well so.

D

That would be awesome.

A

You've already shared those.

D

Yeah, well, not the not the um the ones that are edible. um I think yeah I don't have. I would have to get chris short to help me. Okay, so I'll wrangle him. He he's the one that has like photoshop and illustrator. So.

E

I have so I can invite you, um I probably can invite you to our canva, um because it's all on there, I did it on there. I didn't even do a real. That's why I don't have editable files, and you know canva likes to lock you down to use their platform gotcha. So I can try and invite you to it, and then you don't need zero skills, because I have zero skills on making those. Yes.

A

Okay, well, they looked fantastic, so I mean.

D

Yeah I liked them.

A

I was like who did this before. That looks great.

D

Yeah yeah, let.

E

Me try and do that christian um and see how I can get you on our camera. Thingy.

D

E

D

Yeah and then I'll uh edit, that spreadsheet and then I'll I'll wrangle chris chris short to schedule those tweets out and then we will actually be ahead of the tweet. So that'll it'll just happen automatically, which would be cool.

A

Oh, my god, I have two more items: oh no shut, this up. Okay, I know I don't know why. I'm saying it like that's a dire thing, but I think aren't we over our time? Oh wait. We're not.

B

Yeah we're doing great on schedule. We have 22 more minutes all.

A

Right and I'm and I'm back and I'm back um yeah, so let me write it down real, quick, um there's, the uh the tweet and basically I wanna. We should change our pen tweet.

A

Right now, the pen tweet still is like asking people to submit cfp.

A

Important thing maybe yeah yeah you're right and then uh um do we want to like okay.

A

So we know that as a working group, we we, our our primary goal, is to shepherd all things, get ops right for cncf, ultimately um and to try to and to try to uh to work with everyone in this space to set standard shared standards really for, like the whole, the wider tech community, um the the goal for lasting documents, programs uh and uh whatever else any code that might come with it- um is to live in the open, git, ops project and one of the primary goals of github's working group is to is to get the get out.

A

I'm sorry the open, getups project really rolling so that it runs smoothly as a project, and at that point we will. We should no longer need the working group. This will all be including events run via open, get-offs, ultimately, the same people and hopefully others. You know. um But my question is now that we are going to. We have a big event that we're going to announce the opengitops project at um we have an opengl website. We have other things where we're moving.

C

A

Moving pieces over um do we want to.

A

As the events me do we do we want to um what am I really trying to say, I guess: do we want to change our process in any way, so that we're kind of doing this through open, git ops, or do we want to kind of target to do that after kubecon? Does anyone have any thoughts on that.

D

I would do it after kubecon, um although I do understand, maybe trying to do it before so that way like the announcement comes and like everything is set, so I I get that it's just I don't know if anyone has enough cycles to try to retrigger everything yeah right right, because it's like we're literally we're about a month away right. So like basically days at this point right, um so I'm I would incline to like do it after.

A

Okay, maybe what we can do, as our strategy is um we'll we'll continue to work on the pieces that we already have slated out. You know, as we can um you know it is. It is an open source project.

A

After all, you know um and uh and just announce that this change is happening and that there will be some pieces that will continue to happen after kubecon, but folks should start looking at the open, git ops project and the reason I'm mentioning this too in relation to the events is that do we want to, for example, tweet from the open getups?

A

Do we want to kind of use this as the occasion to sort of like you know, get folks to follow the open, githubs, twitter and the open you know, uh and so on.

B

I would just post to both for a while to be honest, you do what I I would post to both for a while and if we, if we have some operational energy, um I actually would probably want to start planning the next get ops con for next year uh and scoping that out.

B

um So I don't know I I I think you're absolutely right scott to be concerned about it, but I I think I would probably let it just sit and and when we, when we put stuff forward, we put forward open get-offs, you know and and direct people that way, but I don't feel I feel like it's still a little premature as we get closer to one. I don't know, maybe we'll feel differently once we have 1.0 release candidate out, hopefully, by the end of the week, yeah.

A

Yeah exactly- and I was also thinking that, in terms of you know like what actually builds momentum for people to want to follow a social media account. It's that they're publishing content, that's relevant right, and so, if we continue to publish content, including uh this, um including getupscon, where we're announcing opengetups from the working group account only what's the incentive for anyone to follow opencaps, you know when's our next. When it's gonna be our next big event and we'll have the same problem, you know, maybe we should potentially publish to both yeah. That's.

B

What I would do I would just publish the both pronouns is that, okay, with you christian since you're, taking on a lot of the social stuff.

D

Yeah, I know that's, I think um I was about to joke that. That's like a um you're, talking blue green deployment right or right here as you're doing you're doing like a canary or something right like we're, basically deploying to both and then, as you know, as we evolve we're just then we'll just start posting the.

A

D

Yeah we'll do like a canary deployment perfect.

A

So yeah like a canary.

D

If anything goes back, we'll roll back to the old, if.

B

Yeah we're getting 30 fewer retweets on the new handle, so we need to roll back so.

D

Yeah, we need to yeah start driving traffic. The other way.

B

Wow cool, so are we good on that top topic? Scott and yeah? I think you said you got another.

A

One, uh no, those were the two, um the the just, the one quick pinned tweet thing: changing that and then the uh the move from working group to open getups for media and other pieces. Like that, that's it.

B

Okay, well, perfect: I think we can give everybody 15 minutes back. Then, thanks.

D

B

Go chase that stuff down at the cncf and let you know when I did an answer.

D

Cool sounds good. Thank you.