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From YouTube: AMA with Priyanka Sharma, GM CNCF

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Priyanka Sharma is the General Manager of Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) and Edidiong Asikpo is a Developer Advocate at Hashnode.

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While we wait for bianca, um um maybe you want to introduce yourself and probably maybe speak a little.

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I mean, like you've, been within this place for quite some time now. um I I could.

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You know because.

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Like I said, I'm.

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A huge fan, so I followed her stuff, didn't see twitter. I.

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Could remember when you used.

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To work you was working at winter switch and then you tweeted about your google summer vlogs and.

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So I think you could probably share basically what you do and how youtube has been for you.

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Oh okay, um sardina was supposed to like this talk, but yeah yeah.

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It's actually yes, yeah. Actually, it's basically just a chat. You know just.

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Yeah that makes sense okay, so my name is um indeed your massive wall. Like you rightly said, I currently work as a developed advocate at hashnow, which is a blogging platform for developers who want to like get into technical writing or sharing content to develop our community.

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So, above my open source journey, I would say I definitely learned about like open source and like open source contributions from samsung sometime in either 2018 or 2019. I can't remember, I think it's 2018 yes, so like he definitely needs to talk a lot about open source at the time and why it was important to contribute- and I mean just pretty much- creating awareness around it. So I sent him a d and I was like hey. Can you tell me a bit about this?

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So that's when he introduced me to google summer of code at the time it was nothing like google season of dorks, and I was still in the university at the time, so that'll be cool. Let me just try out this stuff and I try to apply for a little somewhere. I could and how will sort of code works? Is you have to con first before you can apply right, so I never had any prior experiences like contributing, but I need that in order for me to submit an application I had to like make that contribution.

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So I looked at the different organizations to be the one that I was interested at the time um and I was um doing android development at the time right.

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I was talking to android development, so I saw this organization called open, beta kids and he was involved in like trying to create forms for environments that did not really have a lot of people or they were not really, I mean, like er environments, are trying to develop pretty much and it was like an interesting project, so I decided to check it out and luckily for me that also had like new fest um projects for beginners and stuff, like that, so I clicked on one of those projects.

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I think thinking about it now and I'm probably choosing another for requests to work on, but anyways I picked up. A regex um rejects issue and yeah budget is like actually difficult to think about it, but at the.

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Time I was like okay.

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I can do it, it didn't really know so difficult to, like truth, be told, but I ended up spending like oh my two weeks, just working on that um on that solution before I finally got got smart, but when we got met, I was just excited that I mean like something I made or like a feature and change like food would be used by the thousands of people who were already using that platform so exciting. For me, like I remember when I got a notification from github that your request has been met. I was like.

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So it was so so amazing for me that, like I couldn't even believe it and from what I read about there's already english, like thousands of people across the world, so I'm like okay, so someone who comes to this app now I like try to type something or use it and, like literally use something I contributed to so like that excitement.

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Exactly and and then you just keep checking you know after making that contribution you just keep checking on your.

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Yeah it was like absolutely fantastic, so but anyway I didn't get accepted into google summer of code, but I was like excited that I was able to make my first contribution and also learn how to write an application, because that was something I've never done and, like I said, I was still in school, so yeah after I graduated from school, then I kept on contributing to source.

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I started dabbling into more, like technical writing and like helping with communities are like sample codes for their apis and stuff, and I would say, working on that was like the thing got me my my former job at inter switch right, because I was able to share experience of of being able to like work on the product right, and this is someone who didn't have prior experience in an actual job, but that was like my first job but because I worked on a real life project right, which is open source.

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I was still able to get that opportunity. So for me I would say foreign, you know literally companies, don't really like employment people that don't know anything. Yet I mean you can be building websites and doing awesome stuff, but want to employ someone that has actually worked in like a company or like a maybe somewhere right. So because I was able to make those contributions to wikipedia. I was like about to share that experience and um at the time the company was looking for someone to work on their apis and like improve it and stuff.

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So it got me that job opportunity yeah. So that's like another interesting thing about open source, then um yeah. I got accepted into google season of docs, which is more focused on like bringing technical writers and opponents organizations um to like improve it and then work for three months and google like pu, for making those contributions.

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Yes, I think open source has definitely helped my career and diversity from like giving me access to meet amazing people, to making my first contribution in a real life project to um put more opportunities for like job roles and tons of that stuff. So I think it's it's like ecosystems participating.

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I think um contributing is absolutely important, so if you've not contributed yet, I think you should definitely give it a try.

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Yeah yeah, exactly like, like I totally relate to the story, I mean I I think you know the most important part was basically where you mentioned that if companies- basically it's very hard for companies to hire anyone that has disabled experience, and I that's what it gives you a starting point. You know like when I was in belgium and graffana and crawford labs, and I.

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Was lit, I was.

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I was expected to have a presentation basically, and I.

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What projects am I going to present now? This is the the small html and css sites I built. You know like two years ago. You know something like that. You know, so I would I needed.

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Something that could actually interest them and you know make them you know actually.

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And, of course, uh I've done some open source contributions to channels, and I was like yes.

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Is this is the project, so I.

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I took some time to work on my slides. I made sure that I pointed the values I was like giving out time. Yeah.

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It's open source and because it has, you know, users behind those projects. It was.

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Yes, I built this and then I know that it's actually helping out these results. You know so so.

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Yeah, I think that's like one of the.

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Best parts of contributing.

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Yeah thanks a lot for actually sharing that uh and I'm sorry, I'm actually digesting it a little bit, but I want to. I want to maybe touch more on the oscar event. So I don't know if you attended my talk, but basically I made a huge reference to the oscar. Now. First of all,.

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Yeah I was at the festival, then, of course uh you know. I came with my friends from know and you know I was really really interested in everything that was happening and so.

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My greatest surprise, I was.

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Wowed by you know the experiences like because I saw, and I think the best any real prospect is anyway.

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I owe you two bottles of beer like that. Guy is just so good, like you know, I think the best part for me at the conference was when you know the presentation.

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Yeah, that was amazing yeah I was I mean like I was just. I think that was basically the turning point for me. You know.

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I mean it's amazing at some point, even up till now, once once I just hope I can just you know, watch it to get inspired and connected so so yeah. um Maybe you could just touch a little bit on oscar because I know you are also part of the oscar, um the open source community, africa.

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We could talk.

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A little bit about oscar and how people can get involved with oscar how you can join the oscar community.

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Yeah sure um so, like the oscars created pretty much to try to expose more um africans like open source. Like I mentioned, I literally didn't know any single thing about it until I hooked up with something but like I think facebook at the time to like see his um posts now and about it. So there are still thousands of africans right. I still don't know anything about open source contributions, open source in general, and there are so many opportunities I can get from this thing right.

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So the fact that people don't know it would limit them from that opportunity. So the essence behind oscar is to try to sensitize more people about open source right. Let them know that hey this stuff exists, you could. You must not necessarily be a contributor, it could also be a builder. It could be like a maintainer. You could be the one who built the open source project right so trying to create more people who are like comfortable with sharing their source code. I feel like africa is a place where everybody's like hey.

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You have to do this on your own. You have to be like the best. It was a share and stuff like that.

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So try to create that, like experience or that environment, where people feel very comfortable like me, being open with, like your code based documentation like just trying to create that experience of people- and we I mean at the time we tried to work on like oscar first, we thought of how do we make it more like something that maybe when you come like you said it, like you rightly said, you were inspired to go back to make an open source contribution because of first pastor right.

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So we have come up with like really um awesome keynote speakers and then looking like a cfp where we got um people into the the program as well. So it definitely took a lot a lot of planning. I think we started planning like months before it happened, because we also have to like create a way for people to read this star. I mean because if you finish doing everything, nobody comes for the event. It's almost like. Oh okay, nothing happened right, so yeah.

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We have secrets like a lot of awareness for the event and I'm trying to bring like a lot of companies from the u.s involved. So I feel, like everybody knows that africa is like the next best thing. There are so many talented people in africa, so every company wants to get involved with the ecosystem and see how um they can like impact it, and we try to do stuff to make it better right.

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So we try to get all those companies involved as well and to see what we could do pretty much, and I mean I think in in summary, I would say it. It actually turned out turned out really great. We've definitely seen a lot more africans at prices like google, somewhere, of course, google seasonal doors outreachy. Like I think last last, the number of africans we had last year in google, some tribal seasoning of those that are twitchy, was like never seen before the number four that got accepted right.

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Usually you won nigerian, or maybe one um song from cameroon, but now you had like over like five to ten people who were like accepted, and these are like impacts from that event. In fact, from sharing and like let people know that you could have access to so many opportunities from contributing to open source or hosting or like building your own open source project in general. So I think I think it was cool.

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Yeah yeah I mean I couldn't agree more honestly because I mean like that event was my highlight for 2020, and I I mean I can't wait for oscar fest uh part 2.

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Next event, next oscar event, yeah.

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Yeah so we have bringing the call already.

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Yes, yeah, hello, everyone! So sorry, I'm late! I got my second shot of the vaccine yesterday and so I just uh slept like the dead.

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Sorry I mean it happens, it happens, it's cool. Thank you. So.

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Awesome, thank you very much for joining me. I know it's super early for you, uh but we are very grateful that you are able to join the call so for everyone. Thank you very much for staying with us up till now we started like I think, we've been streaming for the past seven hours so and uh quite a lot of people have stayed with us uh till this moment. So um priyanka is the general manager of cncf.

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She was my former boss before cncf still have promotes at gitlab yeah, so I will hand it over to eddie young and priyanka. This session is an ama session where uh eddie dion will be moderating. So if you have any questions, please ask in charts or in the live stream. If you are streaming the uh on youtube, so that I can pass it on over to eddie jones.

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um How are you going to send me the questions you send it to me via the via.

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Chat: yeah, okay,.

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Okay: okay, all right.

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Okay, okay: go ahead and start um hi everyone. Thank you for joining this ama session with the amazing priyanka franchise currently serves as uh sorry did. I pronounce your name correctly. She definitely confirmed that you.

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I know because people rarely pronounce my name, but also I definitely make. I try to make sure that I pronounce the name of the speaker correctly. All right, that's good, to know all right cool, so priyanka currently serves as the general manager for the cloud native com.

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She has been involved in this ecosystem for over six years, so she definitely has like a lot of experience about this. She's also worked for amazing companies, slap and google in the past and aside from actively participating in participating and contributing in the open source ecosystem priyanka also advises startups that street, which is an accelerator for developer products.

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To be honest, she is amazing, and I believe that we're going to learn from a world of experience that she's going to stress today. Thank you once again for agreeing to join this session. Priyanka.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Cool, so um so the first question: um I've definitely seen that you've like achieved a lot in your career. I mean even reaching the point where you're, not the general manager for cncf. That's like a very big deal. So can you talk a bit about your tech journey? How you got into tech and the experience so far, and what you're currently doing now.

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Sure happy too so tech journey, you know so I've always worked in technology. I uh I was born and brought up in india and I came to stanford university in the us for undergrad. I came on a scholarship at that time. I was not familiar at all with the more technical subjects, etc. I mean.

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In high school.

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I had taken sciences and computer science, but when I came to college I got involved with um this freshman year program called structured, liberal education, where they taught you the history of human thought from the past, like since the beginning of uh literate time. So I learned a lot about uh buddhism. I learned a lot about hinduism, a lot about, like plato, aristotle, uh all the modern uh philosophers, and that was a completely different world than technology.

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Right yeah, and then uh you know when I graduated, though like I was, um I applied everywhere as all and undergraduate students should. So, if there's anyone listening, that's my advice apply everywhere um and the job that was the best one that worked out for me was at google and uh I accepted the role and I started working there.

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I was in partnerships at adsense, but you know from that first year it very quickly became apparent that the type of work that I gravitated towards was always with engineers with product managers, and I helped launch some internal products and I actually got an offer to join the eng team uh with the goal to like go down the product path.

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uh At that time I had a lot of um what would you say like startup ambitions, and so instead of that, I ended up joining a startup which uh got acquired pretty soon, but I learned a lot about how small teams scrappy teams operate.

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um Then I met my but at this point you you have to know like I was in tech, but I wasn't working on developer tools or anything like that. Then I actually ended up working on a startup of my own.

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Yeah, thank you. uh Well, it didn't feel so amazing back there. It was really intense, but one of the things that we uh developed, the one that was most successful, was like time tracking applications for developers and that's when I really started working, you know with open source communities because we wanted to popularize our.

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And, like you know, other people, I encourage other people to contribute and there was an immediate click, um and so I that then slowly I ended up working at a company called light step. I was the first business hire and that's where I actually became an open source contributor to a project called open tracing, and it's at light step that I learned everything about distributed systems, how micro services work. What are containers?

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What are the problems in this space um and open tracing, was uh a spec for basically how to instrument your system to get tracing data out of it. Since then, uh open telemetry has risen and uh uh that's the new version, and it's in cncf as well. Just like open tracing was. It was through open tracing that I got to know cncf. We were the third project to join and, from the very beginning, the community just welcomed me.

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It's been an exceptionally welcoming community and um I just did everything I could to promote our project and got involved in lots of things uh built a lot of relationships and friendships. uh Then I went to work at git lab where I had actually known the founder.

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Since my own startup days and I built the developer evangelism team there, that's where I had the honor of working with abu bakr and then that's where I actually got elected to serve on the cncf board, and that was a really eye-opening experience, because the community is wide and massive and so warm. But the board is where you see: okay, all the real work that goes into, but into like, nurturing this world uh and then eventually jim zemlin, who leads linux foundation.

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He tapped me on the shoulder and said: hey. You should come run this foundation at first I was like oh you're kidding, but.

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Then we had some real conversations and I'd already like worked so much with dan khan and chris and his check and had such deep respect for them. uh When the opportunity presented itself, I was really honored. uh I accepted the job by the way I accepted the job pre-pandemic, oh and post. So a lot has changed.

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Yeah, a lot has definitely changed.

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uh Here I am that's kind of my journey. Toby wasn't too boring.

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No, it wasn't it's absolutely fantastic, and I love that. Like I mean you, it wasn't just hey you just woke up and you became like cmcf um general manager. You had to follow different processes right for you. Absolutely.

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You were like good enough for that position. So that's a really interesting journey. I think also speaks to the fact that nothing just happens immediately. It takes it takes in work and like um being open to connecting with people right. Just like how someone met you and said hey, I think you should run this foundation and the reason why that happened, because you were like open to like connecting like sharing the knowledge you had. So people knew that you were good enough for that opportunity.

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Well, you are right if the power of people should never be missing.

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Should never be.

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How do you say it sorry, it's already very like what is that yeah.

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Yeah exactly exactly because you know, even in our actually, especially in our world of technology and infrastructure and open source. It's the relationships that matter and the beauty of our community is that the relationships are more open. Like you can approach anyone you can have that conversation.

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I think in the more like traditional environments, it's not the case because there's so many barriers to get to the people who make decisions. That's not the case here. So people should really value that and reach out make friends help people out because they will help them in the future.

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Yeah, I totally agree to that plus plus one. There is this school platform that plays um um like soundtracks just get a second to find it, because what you just said deserves a cup yeah. So let me just do it.

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Okay at the cup yeah, I did do it again. Let me try again, did you do your hairs? No, no.

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Sorry headphones on, but.

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Really laughing about it all right cool. Thank you. So much for answering that question definitely gave a lot of insights to your journey. So um looking at the cncf landscape, it's quite I mean some would say it's quite overwhelming, so you suggested like a good path for someone to follow if they're interested in the cloud native like community or wanting more involved in the cloud ecosystem.

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Absolutely I think the cncf landscape is exactly that a landscape. So it's supposed to show you everything right and that's why it's so busy, but what you will see in the landscape is that there are categories right like there is um csd, I think, and then there's like security there's platforms, all kinds of stuff, so I see the landscape as useful one as a first glance for people to understand like. Oh, there is a lot going on here. That's great yeah!

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Second, it's useful when you know what you're looking for so, if you're looking for a security solution, if you're looking for some server-less insights, then it's super useful.

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Middle ground between knowing this is a vast ecosystem, and um you know, and knowing exactly where to look, is the more where to start question. For that, I would recommend that people actually um actually my opinion- is that the kubecon cloud native cons are the best way to get started. So these are chip events.

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They happen um three times a year once in well in the real world it used to always be u.s and than um asia pack and now, of course, everything is virtual, but that's a good thing, because anybody can join without the hassle of travel, so native con. uh You is actually happening next week and I encourage anyone and everyone to attend.

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um If you, um if you're a student, you can reach out and get a student code so happy to help with that. um Just so, you know like because of this need for beginner content, beginner understanding, we have a 101 track. We also have started a business value track. This time subtract, which is just like three four talks for people who, like literally like definitions in cloud native- how to uh sell open course to your boss, those kinds of like you know, really fundamental things.

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um So every time there's something new at kubecons and also you meet a ton of people you play games, you have fun, I'm doing happy hours, people jump all the time, so that's a good way to get like an intro into the community. I think events that we have restarted like kcd kcd africa, which is happening right now, are also a great option, um so I would say, go to where the people are to get started.

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Once you have built a little bit of knowledge, uh then you start going into the landscape to pick specific technologies that you may need. uh I would actually say there is an edx course on kubernetes fundamentals.

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That might be a really good one to look at too.

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All right also, I'm pretty sure you don't mind. Can you share like the link here like in the chat so that we could send so they could easily access it.

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Yes, I'm looking right.

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Now also, it's good to know that the um csaf is creating beginner-friendly content and making it much more welcoming for people who want to join um the foundation and the ecosystem. So that's that's fantastic to hear thanks for sharing absolutely yeah, there's this popular myth that federer will talk about. They believe that um open source contributions is only for software engineers. Do you believe? That's true um based on your answer. What are your thoughts on this on this myth?.

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Sorry, sorry, uh you said people's people say that open source is only for engineers. What.

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Yeah yeah, like people, believe that, if suffering from medicine I'll be like, no, I don't I can't where would I possibly find, like anything, design related to doing the open source ecosystem? So can you speak a bit more to the opportunities that other people can assess? Regardless of being software engineer,.

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Absolutely I mean think about this. Today we are the fastest growing community in open source. Why is that happening? Because so many for-profit companies have built products and offerings based on our open source projects and so the need for all types of professionals, whether it's a designer, whether it's a tech, docs writer, whether it's a marketer events producer everything is like so needed right.

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So first is that in the ecosystem that's created by cloud native technologies, there are companies and just like any company, they need all kinds of skill sets and you should totally apply because it's a hot industry. The second piece is the open source projects directly when you think of the open source projects. I agree that there's been this myth, or I would say just assumption that that open source is for and by developers, that's absolutely how it started. Yes, because they are contributing code, but the reality is now open source, much more sophisticated.

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It's used, it's so much more mainstream. We need documentation for those projects. We need websites for those projects, so we need design work. So there's um and then we need to like cncf is full of staff that works on. uh You know doing events doing marketing doing all of that for open source projects. So for each and every one of you there is a place in the open source community. Definitely the cloud native community so definitely consider joining us.

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Thank you. I think the last thing you said is like should be the highlight of this event. There is like space for everyone in the cncf, like whatever it is you're doing a technical writer. I could contribute to the website or the documentation.

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Are your desire to contribute to the designs make make it more accessible or more user friendly whatever it is? You're doing this like something you could actually contribute to.

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Absolutely- and I wanted to mention one thing which is mentorships something the cncf like pays a lot of attention to is, you know again uplifting as many people as we can and helping them.

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So one of the things we do is called lfx mentorships, which is that in the summer people well in the northern hemisphere summer, people can.

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To to do um and a mentorship with our open source projects and.

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Type in for it and they're paired with the projects to then uh work on different things, you would assume that it's all about just um again coding right, but no, like I heard, of someone who's. Actually. I just saw a video yesterday of this lady who is doing user research as as her mentorship like experience and so a big one to look at I'm gonna.

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Here's the general way, I'm trying to find the right link for you, uh I'm sure it's a good time yeah, but I would like to share that because it may be useful to some people over here. um So where is it sorry um where's the mentorships about? Well I'm in the linux foundation, I said: no, that's not! Where I'm trying to go! Okay, there we go mentorship cool, 2020., okay spring, oh actually, it turns out. We have terms sorry, I misspoke.

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uh We have terms so spring term is march to may. Oh, okay,.

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That's that that's like I.

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Agree and so here's the link you can share it with anyone once yeah not lost in the windows tabs. Okay, here you go. um This should help like you can definitely put this out there for anyone who wants to apply to be a mentor anywhere, please go ahead. um There are lots of options out there.

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Oh something so sharing we're going to share that in the general chat, so they could easily access it. Oh cool, oh, so there is this. um I remember this.

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I was having a conversation with like a group of people in the ecosystem and I think it was about how g gets like get opportunities right, and someone mentioned that contributing to open source can be one of those ways you could level up so that when you apply for a job, you could see that you have some level of experience working with a real life project right, but then some people they agree with this they're, like no, you can't say, contributes open source can help in any way. So what are your thoughts on that?

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Do you think contributing to process can level up someone's career or not.

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Absolutely my whole career is built on open source.

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Exactly yes, um I would say you know the big reason that is the case, especially now is not only are you building your skills when you're contributing, but also, as I mentioned, like, especially in the cloud native ecosystem, a lot of innovation that for-profit companies are doing is based upon open course, software, and so there is so many opportunities to be part of something that is uh going to be valuable to a company that you're, naturally improving your career chances. I think, because of that, it's also become like.

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Maybe it's become a little intimidating to join projects in, let's say cncf, because it's like all these experts are part of it. Now.

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And because you know like companies are campaigning people to be 100 working on open source and so in that world. I think it's really important to like you know: do the.

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Mentorship attend.

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The event develop your knowledge and uh then just start uh there's, especially for kubernetes, which is our flagship project. We have um this, like you know, contributor experience and like they try to offer new contributors. So you have a lot of help. You should absolutely go and do it because you will be noticed by all these people who are in the community. They all work places they're, always hiring they'll reach out to you. You can even ask them that hey, I'm looking exactly so it's the way to go for sure.

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It's the new version of networking. You know how networking used to be the thing yeah.

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Because yeah, because when you, when you think it's very contributes open source projects, chances are that project or the organization. They are like people from different places all over the world there, right so by contributing you're already making like um yourself known to those people right so you're, already building relationships and those will might help you get like your next job or maybe help you review your article they're like so many.

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So many things you could assess from just contributing to such open source organizations so yeah, I'm definitely on the side that open source can help. You level up your career.

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Absolutely it's like a must do, especially in this industry. I.

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Agree, I agree, so what would you say? I like some of the skills required to scale like cloud native ecosystem or like cloud in general.

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uh What are the skills that are required to.

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To scale like, if someone wanted to you start doing something like what I think you need to know in order to do, let's say a perfect first job, or you also do things on that scale like yeah and the ecosystem. Okay,.

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Okay got it because when you said scale I was like, because you know scale had so much technical meaning and like yeah like oh, how did they scale their production system.

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Yeah, that's not like it's very broad, so it could mean anything yeah, so it makes sense. But it's clarifying.

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No, no, no worries so okay. So what are the things people might need for their first job? I would say every first job's different. uh If we are talking about the what in general, I think, what's only going to help is be familiar with the definitions in cloud native and be familiar with. um You know the key projects, maybe look at all the graduated projects in cncf.

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Actually, you can actually use the landscape. For this thing, you can filter to look at your projects.

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Let me drop the link to that here.

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That's a good idea. Yeah um so be familiar with these things and then, um being, I think, being an active participant in the community and looking at like the technical problems that are interesting to you is a really good head start because then you'll seek out jobs like that and when you get into that job, you'll know more and you'll be uh able to be successful very quickly.

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That's that's fantastic! To be honest, it's actually great all right cool, so we have like um some organizations like, for instance, chicorafica, which recently started like a place where try to bring in more women into like the cloud ecosystem right so do they do the cncf have something like that something focused on, like maybe women, trying to promote more women to join the organization, um or maybe learn more about trying to make it more inclusive or diverse for people.

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Absolutely so, actually the mentorships I mentioned, we try our level best to you know it's like um like a diversity uh scholar, it's like diversity is a number one criteria and how we like people and that's gender demographic. That's all kinds of things right, um that's a factor, uh besides that, what we do in our flagship, kubecon cloud native cons, is we ensure that we? um How do I say it? um We have like, as many like female speakers as possible in.

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Ages, we tend to like do better than the regular talks, uh but.

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Working on it, but I think, like the number one is our like, and we also provide scholarships to kubecon events, especially in.

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Yeah and they are diversity and need base, so those are all some things happening in general. You know, I think, there's many places that you'll hear of programs and this and we, of course we have those, but it is my personal view that it's like you know you have to be committed to diversity and do something every day like it's a bit by bit like you, move the mountain and that.

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Person you talk to every time you come across someone who may be uh talented and interested in our space. Then it's about going.

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Our way to make sure we share opportunities with them, we offer ourselves as mentors. We offer ourselves like hey reach out to me, if you're ever looking for a job I'll, try to help you, and that thing me at least the cncf staff do like every day of our lives so and like we keep an open door. So, for example, my twitter dms are open, anyone can reach out, please feel free, the cnc of slack. Anyone can join that and learn and like reach out, ask questions.

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So there is this open door policy that there is this open door policy that helps us help. Anyone who needs something, and we have a big focus on diversity and inclusion, and that's through our programs and through our one-on-one efforts.

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That's not it's! It's really good to know that, there's something you said about being intentional about doing this. It's not just um something you just do wanna initiate your like boom with fixed diversity. It's like doing it consistently yeah, because it's not it's not something that is going to happen overnight right, it's something that has to be done consistently and with patients to make it a lot more inclusive for people.

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But it's really good to hear that the organization is working in that direction and trying to make inclusivity and um make it okay and better for everybody to feel involved. I feel, like part of the community.

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Yeah- and we also like try to set the example with the staff demographics like we are very diverse. We are there's so many women there's so many different countries represented. I have uh team members from ukraine from uh berlin, so germany uh us all kinds of there's. Someone in bali there's like.

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There's um there's also just you know in our a lot of our efforts like the center around mentorships uh scholarships to kubecon and also the programming at kubecon, so.

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See in kubecons that there are specific, specific deni initiatives like there's mentorship sessions, there is like networking career help, learning from each other, so there's a lot over there. That happens to encourage anyone and everyone to make progress.

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Yeah, that's absolutely fun, it's very good to hear to hear that, to be honest, so what would you say is like the next steps for a cncf right. You guys are already doing amazing things. What are like? What are we looking to do in the future for the community in general and trying to make the foundation a lot more, better.

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Yeah I mean that is actually the main thing that I think about all the time is like how are we, you know actually keeping pace with our very vibrant community that keeps on.

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uh So some of the programs that are fun like well one is this kcds. You folks are one of our flagship ones for kcd. You did a great job organizing um and we have now have kcds can be virtual, so they're ones like we have one in every continent, except for antarctica and so good um and soon they'll be back in person. The other is there's a launch happening soon of cloud native tv, which is our friend yeah. It's our twitch tv channel, so you can just go to cloudnative.tv and you'll.

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Go to the twitch page and june. 7Th is when they're going to launch and have like shows, and it's going to be. That's actually also going to be a really good amount of beginner content. There's a lot of like 100.

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uh Projects, 101 lots of stuff, there's also a show around specifically looking at de ni contributors, whether they're women of color, and how they are, how they have been successful. So that's coming and our hope there is to encourage and excite a broader audience. um So there are lots of programs a sister event. A sister effort that we have launched is inclusive naming initiative, and that is something that I've been working on, which is um based on the kubernetes project's efforts to remove uh racially problematic language from.

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Yeah, so we want to remove master slave. We want to remove whitelist blacklist, because such things should have no place in our code bases.

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Ini, actually that's what we call. It has gotten a lot of attention. We actually got a new york times. Article recently.

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And it's all based on the work we did at the in the kubernetes.

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And lots of companies are participating if anyone here has is working at a company that would like to make their code base. You know not not be richly problematic terminology yeah, they should consider looking at it. I'm gonna find the article and um share with you um sure, but yeah.

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So it's like lots of uh good stuff is happening, um and I also one more thing, though we in the staff, we can think of certain number of ideas we can think of certain number of uh plans, but really the community is what we want to leverage.

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So if anyone has a good idea that they want to share of like hey, this can be useful to people definitely bring it up and we will work with you to see if it's like, you know, doable and if it.

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Is definitely do it, so what channels can you bring up these ideas? Is they like choose a slack channel, or do you have like a dedicated place where about the communities can like share ideas or feature requests or something.

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That's actually a really good idea. We don't have like pretty sure.

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You work on that because we right now it's like ad hoc, like send me a dms and someone a slack message.

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Is right now, but I think actually we should build out like any suggestions for us kind of thing. So.

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Yeah, it will be a lot more easier to manage because everything.

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Just celebrates.

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Different people it might get lost in there, but they have a place where everybody knows that this is where you can like drop suggestion, and if you people pick up any other source, you can just like see here we're currently working on this or something they need to be great.

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That's a really good idea will do.

D

All right all right, thank you. So so much for answering all the questions. You definitely give me a lot of insights about cf in general, open source contributions on your journey. I definitely learned a lot and I believe that people who participated in this as well so thank you so so much for joining and it's super early over there. So I mean the father. You still decided to do it and this time means a lot. So thank you.

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So much thank you so much for having me you are such a great interviewer.

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And I hope I see you around more in the cloud native community.

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Sure all right take care myself. Goodbye.

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