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From YouTube: Fireside chat with Priyanka Sharma
Description
Executive Director at Cloud Native Computing Foundation, Priyanka Sharma provides insights into KCDs, KubeCon Amsterdam, and events in general.
A
A
So
thank
you
so
so
much
if
you
haven't
heard
already,
we
are
very,
very
lucky
that
Priyanka
Sharma,
who
is
the
director
of
the
cloud
native
compute
Foundation,
is
on
the
call
with
us
right
now.
We
have
a
couple
of
questions
to
ask
her
and
she
has
very
graciously
agreed
to
come
and
talk
to
us
all
here.
So
can
we
connect
there?
We
go
and
Priyanka.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,.
A
A
Really
appreciate
everyone
awesome.
Thank
you,
so
so
much
so
got
a
couple
of
questions
here
that
we
came
up
with
a
little
bit
earlier
this
week.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
little
bit
about
the
cloud
native
space.
So
what
are
the
biggest
changes?
You're
Expecting
in
the
cloud
native
space
in
the
coming
year,
and
where
do
you
think
you
see
the
cncf
in
a
year
or
two
from
now.
B
B
I
also
think
that,
with
the
proliferation
of
kubernetes,
even
the
work
we
are
doing
within
kubernetes
for
its
infrastructure,
the
multi-cloud
movement
is
going
to
gain
more
and
more
traction.
I
think
I
speak
with
lots
of
folks
in
the
space,
and
they
often
are
talking
about
just
how
they
want
to
make
Cloud
portability
a
reality
and
I
think
Greer
strides
will
be
made
in
this
field
in
this
field,
through
various
vendors
and
open
open
source
contributors.
B
So
that's
one
thing,
I
think
in
general,
I
would
also
say,
like
four
end
users
who
we
spend
a
ton
of
time
with,
because
they
are
the
they
are
the
people.
We
are
all
serving
I,
it's
very
clear
that
they
there
was
the
initial
Euphoria
of
like
the
cloud
will
solve
all
your
problems
and
now
they're
very
mature,
much
more
nuanced
in
their
perspective
and
fin
Ops
or
you
know,
cost
management
is
a
big
Focus
for
them.
Cncf
has
a
project
called
open
cost
that
helps
in
that
direction
and
I.
B
You,
you
may
or
may
not
know.
We
recently
hosted
the
cloud
native
security
Con
in
Seattle
and
it
was
such
an
amazing
event.
It
was
so
many
people
close
to
800
plus
and
everybody
there
was
like.
Oh,
this
feels
like
the
original
coupons
and
I
think
that
that
moment
in
time
happened
because
security
is
front-end,
Center
open
source
s-bombs
will
be
everywhere.
Cloud
native
security
is
going
to
play
a
critical
role
and
more
and
more
people
will
come
to
this
community
to
solve
their
problems,
because
this
is
where
we
get
things
done.
B
So
that's
what
I
expect
from
a
technology
perspective,
how
do
I
see
cncf
changing
as
an
organization
in
the
next
two
years?
Well,
I
hope
we
are
always
changing
to
keep
to
meet
the
needs
of
this
community,
which
is
ever
growing
so
just
in
the
last
year,
I'll
tell
you,
as
executive
director,
I
have
the
same
title.
B
My
job
has
completely
changed,
which
is
awesome,
because
now
we've
brought
in
some
senior
leadership
into
the
organization,
because
we
want
to
put
more
power
behind
our
community
programs
supporting
maintainers
and
contributors,
and
you
will
see
more
and
more
of
those
efforts
coming
out
of
the
cncf.
You
will
also
see
a
renewed
and
enhanced
focus
on
trainings
and
certifications,
because
kubernetes
is
having
its
Linux
style
moment
right.
So
that
means
more
and
more
people
need
to
be
educated
and
upscaling.
So
we'll
put
a
lot
of
energy
there.
A
I
definitely
will
do
and
I'm
really
glad
they
brought
up
sustainability,
so
we
we
had
actually
more
than
one
talk.
Just
during
this
kcd
talking
about
sustainability
on
kubernetes,
we
had
a
couple
of
Open
Source
projects.
Talking
about.
You
know
how
you
can
reduce
your
kubernetes
workloads
when
you
don't
need
them.
So
it's
really
great
to
see
that
the
sustainability
side
of
Cloud
native
Computing
is
really
coming
into
the
focus
now
cool.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
answer.
Next
question.
I.
A
B
Oh,
my
gosh:
what
are
we
not
looking
forward
to
it'll?
As
you
said
right,
we
were
supposed
to
be
there
three
years
ago,
so
it's
just
going
to
be
lovely
to
finally
make
that
happen
and
be
in
Amsterdam
again
something
I
always
love
about
coupons
is
about.
50
of
attendees
tend
to
be
first-timers,
and
that's
projected
to
be
the
case
this
time
as
well
and
I'm
very,
very
happy
about
that,
because
that
means
we
bring
more
and
more
people
into
the
cloud
native
ecosystem.
B
A
B
Out
of
control,
we
had
so
many
and
that's
awesome
right.
That's
because
so
much
is
happening
in
this
ecosystem,
but
we
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
around
how
it
was
it
was
too
much.
It
was
a
full
week
of
just
a
lot,
so
we've
streamlined
the
co-located
events
into
a
one
day
and
made
them
shorter
so
that
people
have
more
bite-sized
bite-sized
information
grabbing.
We've
also
simplified,
like
the
ticketing,
alongside
that,
but
I
I'm
eager
to
hear
what
people
say
of
this
new
experience
around
co-located
events.
B
We're
also
changing
up
how
we
do
some
of
the
social
stuff
around
the
welcome
booth
and
the
party,
so
all
of
that
I'm
hoping
to
hear
feedback
on
because
it's
all
brand
new.
So
that's
something
and
then
I
would
say
one
of
the
things
that's
close
to
my
heart,
which
is
work
in
progress
right
now,
so
you're
the
first
to
hear
it
as
a
group
is
we're
looking
at
a
startup
subtract.
B
So
as
Cloud
native
matures,
more
and
more
companies
have
done
great
things
here,
and
that
includes
as
big
as
hyperscaler
and
as
small
as
a
two-person
startup.
We
want
to
explicitly
cater
to
this
startup
crowd
with
a
subtract
where
they
get
educated
on
how
to
plug
into
the
cloud
native
ecosystem
and
receive
by
giving
and
so
we're
looking
at
the
exact
programming,
but
check
out
your
agenda
for
the
startup
hashtag
in
in
the
business
value
track.
So
those
are
some
of
my
my
favorites
to
come.
A
C
I'm
I'm
I
was
at
my
name,
is
Bart:
I
was
attending
always
the
pre-conference
sessions
two
days
and
and
now
I
understand.
I
have
to
fly
twice
a
year
to
attend
a
conference
and
I'd
rather
fly
once
than
well
this
time,
I'm
going
to
buy
bicycle,
but
that's
another
case.
So
so
why?
Why
do
we?
Are
we
forced
to
fly
twice
to
cncf
event,
instead
of
having
them
all
condensed
in
one
location
once
a
year
or
twice
a
year.
B
B
It's
hard
to
get
in,
but
in
Seattle
we
were
able
to
hold
more
than
double
the
people,
and
next
year
we
expect
to
hold
even
more,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
travel
to
attend.
That
and
pubecon
will
not
have
security
content.
That's
absolutely
not
the
case.
The
security
track
actually
gets
more
robust
by
splitting
off
this
event
and
there's
also
gosh
how
much
am
I
revealing,
but.
C
B
Gonna
be
things
like
security
Village
things
like
that,
so
by
no
means
will
the
content
for
security
or
any
other
topic
that
splits
off
into
an
event
right,
such
as
there's
one
github's
Con
coming
on
that
doesn't
mean
kubecon
will
not
have
that
content.
It
just
means
we
can't
hold
all
the
people
interested
so
we're
providing
an
extra
Avenue
for
it.
A
A
B
Sure
I
think
kcds
are
instrumental
in
making
Cloud
native
ubiquitous
because
they
take
us
Global
in
a
way.
We
really
can't
in
a
through
any
other
mechanism.
Kubecons,
for
example,
at
the
previous
person
who
asked
the
question
pointed
out:
oh,
how
do
I
get
there?
There
are,
like
you,
know,
security
con.
How
do
I
get
there?
It's
like
too
many
times
of
flying
kcds
come
to
the
person
where
they
are
and
that's
what
makes
them
so
wonderful.
You
know.
B
Recently
we
were
speaking
with
folks
who
organized
kcd
Pakistan
and
it
went
so
well
and
their
primary
focus
was
growing
their
speakers,
our
student
community
and
they
showcased
a
lot
of
first-time
speakers
and
those
folks
journey
in
cncf,
encouraging
the
Next
Generation
right
and
that
would
be
not
possible
or,
let's
say
much
harder
to
accomplish.
Without
this
programming
in
place.
B
B
We
gotta
address
that
because
the
community,
as
fast
as
we
can
so
overall
I,
think
we're
creating
endless
opportunities
for
people
by
having
this
program
we're
also
working
as
I
told
you
we're
always
evolving
we're
also
working
to
supercharge
kcds
in
2023
for
for
2024,
so
that
we
can
support
you
all
organizers,
with
more
and
more
things
that
you
can
provide
us
value.
Add
to
your
attendees.
B
So
those
are
some
examples
of
pcds,
particularly
even
coupons
right.
We
have
the
Dan
con
scholarship
through
which
needs
based
or
diversity
folks
they
can
apply
and
attend
I.
It's
so
sweet
every
every
cubecon
I
go
and
they're
suddenly
like
a
gaggle
of
students
who
are
so
sweet
and
so
happy,
and
they
Rush
up
to
me,
and
they
tell
me
hey,
are
you
Priyanka
and
I?
Say
yes,
we're
the
dead
con
Scholars
and
they
tell
me
their
stories.
B
It
invariably
happens
on
its
own
and
it's
the
most
gratifying
time
for
me
at
the
conference,
and
they
tell
me
just
how
important
it
is
that
they're
there
and
how
they
plan
to
stick
around
and
make
a
difference
here
and
how
for
them
their
life
is
changing
because
school
colleges
Etc
they
provide
you
curriculum.
They
don't
provide
you
the
level
of
understanding
of,
or
access
that
things
like
this
can
so
I'm
really
glad
we
can
help.
A
That's
awesome
what
a
lovely
story
as
well
I'm
gonna,
pause
here
before
I,
ask
my
last
question
to
see:
if
there's
anybody
in
the
audience
who
has
a
question
for
Priyanka
yep,
we've
got
a
couple
here,
because
I
feel
bad
standing
on
stage
and
just
asking
questions
that
I've
recorded
too
much
I
I
yeah.
So.
D
Do
we
also
I
found
myself
trying
out
some
projects
and
I
find
projects
that
haven't
changed
in
four
or
five
years,
I'm
here
for
a
long
time,
so
and
and
then
I
look
at
the
kids
repository
and
it
hasn't
even
had
a
chance
for
two
years.
Are
we
also
shaking
the
tree
and
slimming
it
down,
or
can
we
be
more
proactive
in
that
way,
probably
to
keep
it
alive
and
to
keep
it
vibrant.
B
B
Vision
I
am
a
proponent
of
us
archiving,
more
projects
that
that
have
kind
of
stalled
for
a
long
enough
time
with
with
you
know,
with
the
right
parameters
in
place,
so
I'm
in
agreement
with
you,
I
think
the
chat
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
TOC
here.
So
please
understand
that.
But
from
what
I
observe,
the
challenge
that
they
face
is
that
they
have
so
much
inbound
due
process.
B
So
many
star
projects
applied
and
to
get
in
by
either
a
Sandbox
level
or
incubation
that
perhaps
the
archival
process
could
use
a
bit
more,
could
use
a
bit
more
time
and
attention
than
it
is
able
to
get
just
because
their
top
priority
is
serving
the
community
and
there's
so
much
inbound
that
they
have
to
handle.
But.
D
Are
you
yes,
I
think
we
should
be
more
critical?
Is
it
still
being
used
or
are
there
changes
being
added
and
perhaps
not
immediately
deprecate
projects,
but
just
put
them
in
in
a
holding
position
or
whatever
right?
You
can
always
bring
them
alive.
I
mean
things,
can
change,
but
we
shoot
card
I,
think
the
portfolio
and
be
critical
that
it
stays
special,
the
way
it
was
a
few
years
ago
and
that
it's
not
being
a
Dumping
Ground
for
all
kinds
of
half
death
projects.
B
D
Incubation
I
looked
at
Birth
two
weeks
ago,
and
it
was
the
same
as
what
it
was
four
years
ago
and
today
I
heard
that
the
sponsoring
I've
tried
a
Tinkerbell.
For
instance,
it
never
worked,
and
today
I
heard
that
even
the
project
of
the
the
business
at
sponsor
did
that
it
has
gone
broke
or
whatever
they're
not
alive
anymore.
So
I
think
there's
those
are
valuable
projects.
But
if
it's
not
being
grown
just
two
examples
on
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
are
a
lot
more.
B
No
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
sharing,
because
I
think
sandbox
is
a
place
for
all
kinds
of
things
happening,
but
incubation
enough
I
agree
with
you
that
we
need
a
more
rigorous
sort
of
eye
on
where
some.
What
is
the
activity
level
at
I
will
take
your
feedback
to
the
TOC
and
try
to
push
them
on
this
and
get
their
perspective
as
well,
but
I
also
encourage
you
I.
A
A
Okay,
I
have
one
last
question
for
you
which
I
came
up
with
I
hope
it's
not
too
boring.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
know.
Obviously,
now
the
in-person
events
are
coming
commonplace
again.
Do
you
have
any
highlights
from
virtual
events
from
the
last
couple
of
years?
You
know.
Obviously
this
is
a
little
bit
biased
as
an
organizer
of
an
event.
We
try
to
do
our
best
during
the
two
years
to
do
something
virtual.
A
B
I
think
being
able
to
go
virtual
in
the
pandemic
was
essential
for
our
ecosystem.
As,
as
you
said
you
you
organize
events
as
well
and,
like
the
two
years,
were
tough
right.
It's
like
how
do
we
support
our
ecosystems
when
we
cannot
see
people,
we
didn't
know
how
and
we
buy
being
able
to
go
virtual,
whether
it's
through
simple
mechanisms
like
Zoom
Google
meet,
or
it
is
through
more
robust
platforms
that
came
about
it
was
a
lifesaver
I.
B
Think
all
of
the
cloud
native
Community
was
able
to
stay
together
and
support
it
itself
and
each
other,
because
we
had
that
option
and
we
come.
We
did
all
the
creative
things
right,
connect
the
coupon
platform
have
slack
with
it.
Alongside
do
the
happy
hours
on
Zoom,
we
all
made
the
best
of
it
and
the
the
benefit
we
received
out
of
it
is
that
our
reach
was
bigger.
More
people
could
attend.
Like
you
said
what
we
have
also
found,
though,
that
the
hankering
for
in-person
is
real.
B
That
said,
I
think
the
the
longest
lasting
impact
that
the
hybrid,
the
virtual
event
time
period
will
have
for
us,
is
that
the
events
will
be
more
accessible
online,
even
if
they're
back
in
person,
so
I
do
believe.
In
hybrid
events,
I
will
say
my
personal
opinion
going
through
the
pandemic
is
that
the
tooling
was
not
ready.
C
C
B
For
it-
and
it
was
so
cool
I
mean
there
were
challenges.
Let's
just
say
there
were
challenges,
so
in
my
opinion
the
hybridization
of
events
will
not
rely
or
will
not
continue
to
rely
on
Taxi
Technologies.
It
might
simplify
so
that
you,
somebody
who
is
not
attending
in
person,
is
still
able
to
get
the
content
still
able
to
engage
on.
You
know
places
like
slack
Discord
but
and
then
the
sort
of
more
programmed
aspect
happens
in
person.
That's
that's
my
perspective,
but
that's
I'm,
one
individual.
B
A
E
A
E
Obviously,
when
the
students
go
into
the
industry,
they'll
have
an
opportunity
to
like
quickly
learn
the
new
stuff,
but
at
least
in
my
opinion
will
be
very
beneficial
to
show
them
the
way.
Even
before
that
happens.
So,
for
instance,
let
me
give
like
the
simplest
example
like
instead
of
running
a
simple
container
with
a
database.
They
just
install
some
very
obscure
Enterprise
distribution
when
they're
dealing
with
their
databases
courses.
B
Yes,
I
wholeheartedly
believe
in
that
I.
As
a
as
I
said
there,
the
next
generation-
or
you
know
next
cohort
of
folks
who
are
going
to
make
Cloud
native
ubiquitous,
so
we
gotta
reach
them.
I.
Think
our
events,
scholarships
and
the
mentoring
program
that
we
run,
but
through
Google
summer
code,
as
well
as
our
own
LFX
mentoring,
are
good
starts,
but
I
have
definitely
toyed
with
the
idea
that
you're
talking
about
of.
Can
we
have
a
like?
You
know
a
campus
ambassadors
program
and
I.
B
Think
we've
really
only
been
limited
by
bandwidth
of
cncf
is
a
small
staff,
but
I
would
love
to
see
such
a
program
start
emerging
in
the
community
and
cncf
could
hop
in
and
support,
because
I
agree
with
you
that
the
curriculum
and
universities
and
colleges
may
be
a
little
bit
behind
sometimes
and
definitely
not
connected
to
real
world
examples.
And-
and
you
know,
and
projects
that
happen,
the
the
interesting
thing
is
I
think
it's
the
connecting
the
dots
is
what's
required
because
you
have
the
mentorship
programs,
you
have
the
event
attendance
possibilities.
B
You
have
the
job
boards,
it's
more
getting
the
information
there
to
to
the
students.
I
mean
I'll.
Tell
you
this.
So
my
brother
I
have
a
much
younger
brother
he's
doing
his
Masters
right
now
at
computer
science,
and
he
knows
all
about
coupons,
because
my
whole
family
knows
everything
about
kubecons
yeah.
It's
like
everyone,
you're
like.
Oh,
you
can't
come
and
don't
just
go
back
and
so
I
he
knows
about
it
and
I've
encouragement
go
many
times
and
he's
not
showed
up
yet
and
then
I
was
talking
to
him.
B
The
other
day
about
how
to
advance
his
career
and
I
was
like
open
source
contribution
is
number
one.
You
really
need
to
get
involved
and
I
started
sharing
how
I
coupon
that's
what
happens
here?
Like
you
know,
visibility
is
given
to
contributors.
Maintainers
people
tell
those
stories
he's
like
really
you
folks
talk
about
open.
I
was
like
you've
known
kubecon
for
this
long
and
you
didn't
realize
that's
what's
going
on,
and
so,
if
that
can
happen
to
my
brother,
who
cares
about
this
all
the
time
I
feel
like
we
really
need
to
disseminate
this
information.