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Keynote: Linus Torvalds, Creator of Linux & Git, in conversation with Dirk Hohndel
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A
A
B
Think
anybody
really
likes
doing
presentations
I
do
not
like
doing
to
prepare
talks,
especially
when
I
don't
know
the
audience
that
well
so
what
happens
is
I
feel
stressed
out
by
the
situation
and
now
I
have
somebody
to
blame
when
he
asks
me
questions
and
if
they're
not
relevant
to
you,
it's
not
my
fault
anymore.
So.
A
B
I'd
say
Linux
and
last
it's
almost
15
years.
We've
had
a
very
good
model
for
doing
development.
It
took
us,
it
took
us
a
decade
to
really
figure
out
how
to
do
things,
but
these
days
we
don't
worry
about
individual
features
anymore,
particularly
not
me,
I
worry
about
the
process
of
getting
those
features
out
and
making
releases
and
that
really
hasn't
changed.
I,
don't
know
how
to
really
explain
that
to
you.
B
It's
one
of
those
things
where,
if
you
get
smart
people
together
and
you
motivate
them
with
a
common
goal,
good
things
happen,
and
that
is
really
that's.
The
only
way
I
can
explain
it
because
we
don't
I,
don't
even
have
a
5-year
plan.
I
don't
have
a
plan
that
spans
more
than
roughly
six
months.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
smooth
road
and
then
we
have
a
every
release.
A
B
We
also
end
up,
sometimes
just
being
unlucky
and
having
people
find
some
new
issue
that
doesn't
really
mesh
with
our
timing
and
it's
it's
something
we
learn
to
deal
with.
It's
not
a
big
deal
anymore
right
now,
we're
in
the
is
we're
supposed
to
be
in
the
latter
part
of
the
calming
down
period,
and
yes,
last
week,
was
actually
much
more
painful
than
it
should
have
been,
but
at
the
same
time,
this
is
something
that,
over
the
last
15
years,
we've
learned
to
deal
with.
So
it's
not
something
that
makes
me
worry
it.
A
B
But
when
you
move
to
a
new
kernel,
your
processes
will
not
break,
and
then
there
are
the
other
people.
The
people
like
me
how
many
kernel
developers
are
in
the
audience.
There's
probably
not
this
one.
Oh
there's
one
there,
that's
okay,
there
I'm
sure
there
are
others
with
the
lights.
I
can't
see
kernel
people
are
strange
people.
B
Sometimes
you
need
to
have
a
certain
kind
of
detail,
orientated
person
who
really
wants
to
know
exactly
how
the
machine
works
and
really
wants
to
control
every
single
detail
of
that
piece
of
hardware
in
front
of
you
and
it's
a
rare
breed.
But
one
of
the
things
about
being
on
the
Internet
is
even
if
you
rare
breed-
and
you
have
a
very
specific
interest
when
there
are
three
billion
people
with
internet
access
in
the
world.
A
It's
interesting
what
you
say
so
this
idea
of
engineering
excellence,
of
truly
understanding
the
details
of
the
code
versus
what
I
somewhat
derogatory.
We
call
click-and-drag
programming
of
people
just
throwing
together
big
blocks,
not
knowing
what
they
do,
isn't.
Isn't
there
danger
in
that
shouldn't.
We
want
to
understand
the
code
that
we
actually
run.
I.
B
B
This
is
why
we
all
specialize
and
some
specialize
in
maintaining
kernel
code.
Others
specialize
in
doing
you
eyes.
I
cannot
do
a
user
interface
to
save
my
life
and
that's
okay
and
again.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
open-source
allows
you
to
do
is
we
all
have
things
we're
interested
in
whether
they
are
making
pretty
interfaces
or
whether
they
are
tinkering
with
the
small
details
of
the
hardware
and
and
I?
Don't
think,
there's
a
us-versus-them
right,
although
sometimes
we
do
end
up
having
fights
about
how
things
should
be
done.
We.
A
B
A
B
I
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
when
it
comes
to
security,
you
should
not
focus
because
it's
everywhere
I
mean
over
the
last
two
years,
in
particular,
we've
seen
in
Colonel
and
very
painfully
how?
Sometimes
the
focus
is
not
on
suffer
at
all.
It's
on
the
hardware
and
and
the
way
to
have
a
secure
system
is
not
to
even
believe
that
you
have
one
entirely
impenetrable
wall
between
you
and
this
evil
world.
You
need
to
have
secure
hardware,
you
need
to
have
secure
kernels,
you
need
to
have
secure
libraries.
B
We
end
up
being
some
of
the
more
security
conscious
projects,
because
if
the
kernel
has
a
security
problem,
it's
a
problem
for
everybody,
so
we
do
take
in
maybe
more
seriously
than
some
other
projects,
but
I
do
think
that
everybody
needs
to
always
keep
security
in
mind.
Regardless
of
what
you
do
you.
A
Mentioned
hardware
and
the
surprises
that
Hardware
maybe
isn't
as
secure.
The
other
thing
that
has
happened
in
the
last
few
years
is
that
we've
clearly
seen
the
end
of
Moore's
law.
We've
seen
the
end
of
the
doubling
of
performance
every
18
months,
and
so
you
have
always
been
very
performance
conscious
in
the
way
you
you
look
at
software
and
the
way
you
develop
the
Linux
kernel
is
this
something
that
will
be
more
important
up
and
down
the
stack
in
the
future
in
order
to
be
able
to
write
more
complex
software
in
a
stagnating
performance
environment.
B
It's
going
to
be
interesting,
I've
been
saying
this
for
the
last
five
years
already
that
I
actually
think
that,
when
hardware
performance
stagnates
that's
going
to
put
pressure
on
a
lot
of
software
people
to
improve
in
performance
in
ways
they
have
not
had
pressure
before
and
and
I.
It
hasn't
maybe
quite
hit
a
wall
yet,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
going
to
be
very
healthy
for
the
software
ecosystem
to
no
longer
be
able
to
depend
on
Hardware,
improving
and
hardware
is
not
just
CPUs.
B
It's
obviously
every
piece
of
the
hardware
spectrum,
including
networking
and
I/o,
and
for
a
project
like
the
kernel
where
performance
is
always
being
one
of
the
primary
goals.
I,
don't
think,
will
be
taken
by
surprise,
but
I
suspect
some.
Some
other
projects
may
have
gotten
a
bit
used
to
the
fact
that
they
can
keep
drawing
their
code
every
year
and
the
hardware
will
improve
to
to
the
point
where
nobody
cares.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
interesting,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
shock
to
some
projects.
Other.
B
One
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
be
a
teaching
moment
for
other
projects.
Actually,
two
things,
one
is:
don't
break
your
users.
This
has
been
a
mantra
for
the
kernel
for
a
long
long
time
and
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
other
projects
seem
to
not
have
learned
in
order
for
a
project
to
really
flourish
in
the
long
term.
B
B
In
order
to
have
that
kind
of
long
life,
you
really
want
to
create
a
community
and
have
a
kind
of
common
culture,
not
necessarily
a
language,
because
people
work
together
even
across
language
barriers,
but
having
a
a
common
goal
is
important
in
order
to
work
together
for
a
long
term
and
it's
the
goal
cannot
be
something
very
specific
because
that
goal
needs
to
change.
So
what
we
in
the
kernel
community
kind
of
have
is
a
culture
of
not
what
we
aim
for,
but
what
kind
of
things
we
aim
for.
A
I
want
to
shift
gears
a
little
bit
and
talk
to
you
about
a
mod
generic
question.
So
if
you,
if
you
look
across
the
different
domains,
so
enterprise
embedded
desktop
in
the
work
world,
consumers
gaming-
what
do
you
think
are
the
important
the
relative
relevant
platforms
from
hardware
perspective
and
OSS
from
a
software
perspective?
So
where
is
Jim
said
wherever
Linux
goes,
Linux
wins
I.
Think
it's
a
little
more
differentiated
than
that.
A
So
when
you
look
at
when
you
look
at
say,
the
enterprise
space
we've
seen
Linux
and
x86
was
was
the
huge
leader
right
when
you
look
at
something
like
the
desktop,
especially
consumers
and
gaming.
I.
Think
it's
other
platform
and
other
OSS
who
are
leading
and
I
wanted
to
get
a
feeling
where
you
think
this
is
going
so.
B
B
B
What
the
market
is
and
who
is
going
to
win
I'm,
not
in
it,
for
winning
I'm
in
it
to
do
the
best
technology,
I
can
and
I
think
that
if
you
do
the
best
technology,
you
often
will
do
well
right.
You
will
not
always
win.
We've
seen
that
in
a
lot
of
areas
of
technology
being
first
is
more
important
than
being
best,
because
if
you
get
a
huge
community
around
yourself,
you
have
already
won,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
care.
B
It
is
actually
I
mean
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
big
things
about
open
source.
Is
you
can
do
new
and
exciting
things
and
what
Dirk
is
alluding
to
when
he
says
a
gamer
I'm,
a
fat
person,
and
what
I've
tried
to
do
for
the
last
couple
of
months
to
kind
of
not
be
asked
that
I
played
a
game
called
beat
Sabre
I,
don't
know.
B
B
You
care
about
your
goals,
and
you
want
to
take
as
much
existing
infrastructure
as
possible
to
make
it
easy
to
get
to
your
goals
and
Linux
has
obviously
been
a
huge
part
of
that
in
almost
every
setting.
So
the
only
places
where
Linux
isn't
completely
taking
over
tends
to
be
places
where
there
was
a
very
strong
established
market
already,
and
you
had
an
established
code
base.
If
you
do
something
new
and
exciting
and
interesting,
you
will
almost
inevitably
use
Linux
as
the
base,
and
that
includes
new
platforms
for.
A
Gaming-
and
that
was
really
where
I
was
trying
to
go
with
this,
because
in
so
many
of
these
spaces
there
are
perceived
established
proprietary
winners
that
you
assume
will
just
continue
to
rule
the
world.
If
you
had
asked
someone
in
2002
who
would
be
the
smartphone
platform
number
one,
they
would
have
said,
Windows,
Mobile
and-
and
maybe
that
didn't
work
out
quite
that
well,
so
one
of
the
things
I
always
try
to
do
is
always
try
to
make
you
make
predictions
about
the
future.
It
I
know
your
favorite
thing.
A
A
B
I,
actually,
don't
think
technology
moves
that
rapidly
I
mean
if
you
realistically,
if
you
look
at
what
Linux
does
today,
it's
not
that
different
from
what
operating
systems
did
50
years
ago
60
years
ago.
What
has
changed
is
the
hardware.
The
hardware
has
changed
enormously.
The
use
has
changed
enormously.
Linux
is
right
in
between
those
two
things.