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Join us for Kubernetes Forums Seoul, Sydney, Bengaluru and Delhi - learn more at kubecon.io
Don't miss KubeCon + CloudNativeCon 2020 events in Amsterdam March 30 - April 2, Shanghai July 28-30 and Boston November 17-20! Learn more at kubecon.io. The conference features presentations from developers and end users of Kubernetes, Prometheus, Envoy, and all of the other CNCF-hosted projects
Panel: Tech Community Share Out: Maintaining a Healthy Balance with Work - Chris Lentricchia, SUSE; David McAllister, Scalyr; PJ Hagerty, DevRelate.io, OSMIhelp.org; Nanci Lancaster, Linux Foundation; & Amanda Brazzell, Brazzell Business
The digital age has brought us multitudes of advancements - from cost and convenience to connectivity - but those advancements have also left us fundamentally unbalanced, and often, unhealthy. As we advance further into an always-on culture that has developed through over-connectivity, overwork, and constant sensory overload, it has become essential to maintain a healthy balance with both work and technology. At KubeCon + CloudNativeCon in Barcelona, the OSMI Handbook did a great job of outlining some tips that attendees can use to maintain their mental health at such large events. We’d like to take that conversation a step further by talking about some techniques that the Cloud Native Community can use in their lives, both personally and professionally. Join us for a diverse panel discussion to share ideas on maintaining a healthy and balanced mental state.
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A
Oh,
so
welcome
glad
y'all
could
manage
to
make
it
over
here
from
our
power
outage.
In
the
other
side,
I'm
Dave
McAlister
I'll
be
our
moderator
for
today's
panel,
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
sort
of
how
to
maintain
a
healthy
balance
of
your
work
in
your
life.
This
is
pretty
important
as
a
topic
set
and
we
actually
can
see
quite
often
where
things
have
happened.
Likewise,
our
panelists
have
suffered
through
this
themselves,
but
we
want
to
find
out
ways
that
we
can
help.
You
avoid
this
as
well
as
teach
ourselves
a
little
bit
about.
A
B
C
Hi
everybody,
my
name
is
Chris
Chris
L,
just
to
make
it
simple
for
everybody.
The
first
thing
I'm
gonna
do
is
throw
my
biggest
fear
right
out
there.
So
my
biggest
fear
is
that
I'm
gonna
choke
up
talking
to
you
all
today
about
something
that's
really
personal,
but
I
feel
as
it
needs
to
be
shared,
because
it's
it's
important
that
I
talk
about
this
succinctly.
Just
to
sum
it
up.
C
D
E
Everyone
I'm
Amanda,
Brazil
I,
am
formerly
from
digitalocean.
That's
my
connection
to
the
tech
community.
Nowadays,
I
actually
own
my
own
business
with
my
husband.
It's
called
Brazel
business,
where
we
do
some
special
events
and
then
some
media
related
to
photography
and
videography,
but
that
the
entire
basis
of
that
entire
direction
is
just
meeting
with
people
connecting
with
community
and
just
general
generally
advocating
for
you
enjoying
your
life.
Cuz
work
is
only
a
small
portion
of
that
and
I'm
excited
to
be
here
today.
F
Hi
everyone
can
you
hear
me:
I
am
Nancy
Lancaster
I,
actually
work
for
the
Linux
Foundation.
My
role
is
with
content
specifically
working
with
speakers
with
the
schedule
with
the
co-chairs.
All
of
that
fun
stuff
previously
I
was
at
digitalocean
and
I
worked
on
events
there
as
well.
I
have
experience
with
burnout
taking
on
too
much,
not
knowing
the
word.
No
always
saying
yes
to
everything.
F
My
family
also
has
a
lot
of
a
background
in
mental
health.
My
brother
has
schizophrenia
and
my
mom's
very
passionate
with
the
National
Alliance
for
the
mentally
ill
and
through
that
we've
we've
really
kind
of
honed
in
on
different
skills
and
paying
attention
to
mental
health
and
trying
to
erase
the
stigma
all
together.
So
it's
something
that's
very
passionate
in
my
life
and
I
have
used
those
to
make
sure
that
I
don't
burn
out
again
and
with
the
work
that
I
have
the
Linux
Foundation.
A
A
A
I'd
almost
raise
two
hands,
but
I
got
to
hold
the
mic
on
one
of
this
and
then
finally,
how
many
of
y'all
visited
puppy
Palooza
today,
unfortunately,
we
didn't
get
bubbly
Palooza,
because
we
were
off
doing
something
else,
but
did
it
help?
Yes
glad
to
see
that?
So
that's
really
interesting,
so
to
kind
of
kick
it
off
here,
let's
start
with
the
question:
how
did
you
recognize
the
problem
and,
let's
start
with
PJ
on
this.
D
So
for
me,
I
kind
of
recognized
the
problem
when
I
had
established
myself
in
doing
something
for
my
career
and
I.
You
know
I'd
researched
things,
I
had
learned
things,
I
was
building
things
and
they
were
great
and
I
had
no
respect
for
what
I
was
doing
myself
and
it
took
someone
else.
Stepping
in
and
saying
like,
hey
listen,
you
beat
yourself
up
every
day
and
you're.
D
You
know
you're
on
a
fast
track
to
burnout
and
yet,
at
the
same
time
like
we
all
think
you're
doing
great
and
it
took
an
outside
perspective
for
me
to
actually
internalize
what
was
going
on
with
myself
like
I
realized,
I
was
irritable,
I
wasn't
sleeping
I,
you
know,
I
have
kids
and
I
wasn't
like
kind
to
my
children.
I
wasn't
with
my
children.
It
wasn't
super
kind
to
them
either.
Everything
was
secondary
to
me,
focusing
on
the
fact
that
you
know
I
was
failing
everything,
so
it
took
you
an
outside
perspective.
D
Like
listen,
you're,
doing
great
things.
Are
you
have
a
successful
career,
a
great
family?
Why
don't
you
take
a
step
back
and
realize
that's
the
case,
and
so
it
really
took
in
external
influence
to
look
it
back
and
say:
yeah,
you
know
what
I
do
you
know?
Things
are
pretty
good,
yeah
sure,
there's
problems,
but
at
the
same
time
like
if
I
just
don't
acknowledge
that
there's
problems
and
I
only
focus
on
on
the
fact
that
I'm
never
going
to
get
them
done
fast
track
to
to
end
of
life
issues.
A
F
F
Just
that
simple
thing
of
another
task
at
it,
even
though
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
trip
to
relieve
stress
that
little
task
was
too
overwhelming
to
me,
that
is
not
normal
and
when
I
got
to
Miami,
I
was
also
a
miserable
mess
and
I
was
trying
to
juggle
tasks
while
on
vacation
and
knowing
I
didn't
have
any
backup
and
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
I
make
this
work
and
I
couldn't
unplug?
It's.
C
C
So
I
didn't
notice.
There
was
a
problem
and
that's
why
I'd
like
to
talk
a
lot
about?
How
do
we
know
what
the
signs
are,
because
sometimes
we
don't
whether
we're
not
familiar
with
those
signs
or
in
my
case
honestly
I
was
I,
was
hopped
up
on
my
own
arrogance,
I,
wouldn't
listen
to
anybody.
I
thought
I
was
doing
great.
You
know
I'm
getting
great
feedback
at
work,
so
I'm
just
gonna
keep
on
doing
it.
Man,
but
I
didn't
notice.
There
was
a
problem.
E
E
So
I
just
felt
as
like
part
of
my
responsibility
in
that
workload,
is
to
just
show
up
and
suck
it
up,
and
it
caused
so
much
damage
in
my
life.
So
I
had
to
take
a
step
back
and
be
like
yeah.
This
isn't
normal,
even
though
it
feels
like
everyone
is
dealing
with
this
right
and
it's
not
something
that
I
have
to
subscribe
to.
You,
though
yeah
I
just
felt
so
unhappy.
All
of
the
time
waking
up
going
to
bed
scared
to
check
my
phone.
It
was
just
very
overwhelming.
A
Just
a
reminder
feel
free
to
ask
questions
of
our
panelists
as
well,
and
panelists
feel
free
to
discuss
among
yourselves
as
well
for
this.
So
let's
kick
it
off
a
little
bit
this
this
gets
into.
What
can
we
do
to
help
ourselves
really
and
I'd
like
to
I?
Think
I'd
like
to
start
with
Amanda
on
this
one.
E
So
I
once
I
realized
that
there
was
a
problem
and
that
I
was
really
struggling.
I
I
made
my
commitment
to
myself.
First
I
had
simple
practical
things.
That
I
knew
could
benefit
me
that
I
hadn't
actually
put
any
application
to
right.
So
a
lot
of
this
we're
gonna
share
with
you
is
not
revolutionary
information,
but
rather
how?
Much
of
it
are
you
actually
applying?
E
So
for
me,
I
started
with
my
morning:
routine
I
would
wake
up
I
would
check
my
phone
I
would
see
my
emails
and
I'd
be
stressed
from
the
moment
that
I
woke
up
so
I
committed
to
myself
that
I
wouldn't
do
it.
That
work
could
wait
the
extra
hour
and
a
half.
So
that
was
my
first
priority
and
it
was
really
really
challenging
because
I
I
was
in
a
people
facing
role.
People
needed
me.
E
I
was
kind
of
the
face
in
that
internal
HQ,
so
I
knew
that
I
was
needed,
but
I
I
needed
myself
to
take
care
of
myself.
First,
so
I
changed
my
entire
morning,
routine
I
didn't
I,
didn't
use
any
screen
time
before
I
got
to
work.
I
began
stretching
in
the
morning
and
that
helped
me
feel
a
little
bit
more
grounded
and
calm
I
actually
had
like
five-minute
breathing
exercises.
E
That
I
would
do
and
then
tried
to
engage
with
some
resources
media
as
far
as
well
books
and
reading
before
I
even
got
started
with
the
day
and
that
helped
alone
just
grounding
myself
before
I
got
involved
and
then
the
the
greater
portion
was
letting
people
know
how
I
felt.
So
there
was
a
bit
of
accountability
to
that
right,
like
I
was
trying
to
be
better
for
myself,
but
we're
all
going
through
this
and
sharing
that
experience
trying
to
get
people
on
board
with
what
the
support
that
I
needed
also
helped
with.
A
E
E
Yeah
yeah
right,
yeah,
absolutely
communication
in
general,
letting
people
know
that
like
I'm
not
available,
and
yes,
there
are
situations
where
that's
outside
of
you
know
what
what
can
be
expected,
but
the
communication
in
general
was
absolutely
one
of
the
main
portions
of
it
and
then
just
sticking
to
my
guns
right,
like
I'm
not
available
and
I
will
not
be
responding
during
these
like
blocked
off
hours
and
I
do
have
hours
on
my
slack
for
a
reason.
That
is
because
there's
a
lot
of
other
life
that
I
am
attending
to
that
I
cannot.
E
F
To
add
to
that,
it
could
be
there's
some
fear
and
communicating
that
when
we
had
this
always-on
culture
absolutely
so
when
you
say,
I
am
NOT
going
to
be
always
on
and
you
need
to
follow
up
like
follow
through
with
with
my
boundaries,
because
everybody
else
assumes
that
we
always
need
to
be
on.
We
always
need
to
have
slack
on
our
phone.
We
always
need
to
have
our
work
email
on
our
phone,
and
so
you
know
there's
that
fear
that
you
that
if
you
say
that
it
sounds
like
oh
well,
you're
not
committed.
F
E
D
D
I
think,
and
the
key
thing
there
too,
is
like
you
talked
about
setting
boundaries
and
then
communicating
those
boundaries,
and
you
did
it
for
your
personal
health,
but
at
the
same
time,
kind
of
setting
up
those
boundaries
a
lot
of
times.
When
you
just
say
listen,
you
know:
here's
the
deal,
I
work
from
9:00
to
4:00.
That's
when
you
can
communicate
with
me.
D
That's
when
I'll
respond
to
email
and
even
an
hour
in
between
there
I'm
going
to
be
eating,
peanut
butter
and
jelly,
and
you
can't
talk
to
me,
but
you
set
those
boundaries
and
like
granted
at
first
people
are
taking
it
back.
But
after
that
they're,
like
hey,
you
know
this
is
actually
a
great
idea,
and
you
do
this
actually
in
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
European
cultures,
where
they've
actually
made
it
like
in
France
it's
a
law,
you
cannot
email
an
employee
after
5:00
p.m.
D
yeah
that
is
not
allowed
and
people
have,
companies
have
been
found,
follow,
find
for
it
and,
like
you
know,
as
long
as
the
community,
everyone
understands
those
boundaries
are
communicated
properly.
That
generally
becomes
a
positive
thing
at
first.
You
know
people
will
be
taken
aback
and
say
why.
Why
wouldn't
you
want
to
always
be
on
there's
also
kind
of
the
realization
that
a
lot
of
the
things
we
do
are
not
contingent
they're,
not
life,
threatening
things
like
if
the
server
goes
down
and
we
can't
sell
three
more
pairs
of
shoes
on
our
awesome
ecommerce
site.
D
No
one
gets
hurt
by
that.
I
mean
I
think
this
is.
This
is
an
overarching
problem
intact,
but
people
don't
tend
to
understand
that,
and
you
know,
even
if
you
have
five
nines
availability,
things
will
go
down,
people
will
live.
Ninety
nine
percent
of
us
are
not
working
in
a
place
that
is
actually
like
taking
care
of
people
in
terminal
conditions,
yep.
A
G
A
G
So
what
about
someone
who
maybe
is
starting
out
in
a
new
career
or
is
in
a
really
junior
position
and
a
company
and
doesn't
feel
like
they
can
set
boundaries?
What
you
know
or
say
they're
their
boss
is
like
yeah.
We
no
one's
gonna
die,
but
we're
gonna
lose
a
whole
lot
of
money
and
sure
that
he's
gonna
be
mad
at
me
and
that's
gonna
get
me
in
trouble.
So
I
don't
want
you
to
do
those
things
like.
What
do
you
say
to
that?
Well,.
D
Part
of
that
is
in
some
ways
it's
it's
about
voting
with
your
feet,
even
if
you
are
junior,
even
if
you
are
a
member
of
an
underrepresented
group
or
you're
brand-new
to
the
team,
sometimes
that
job
search
needs
to
be
put
out.
Like
you
know,
you
need
to
make
these
things
clear
in
an
interview.
You
say:
hey,
listen,
you
know,
I'm,
not
you
know,
I
will
do
my
best
for
this
team.
I
feel
really
good
about
the
product
that
culture
here
is
a
good
fit.
However,
I
work
from
9:00
to
5:00.
D
D
And
that's
but
but
it
is
also
difficult.
Sometimes
you
will
have
to
suffer
along
in
a
place
that
doesn't
let
you
communicate
your
boundaries
until
you
can
find
the
place
that
does
that's
I
mean
I.
Didn't
I
didn't
make
it
that
way,
but
I
feel
bad
about
it
and
I
feel
the
more
that
you
have
people
who
are
willing
to
support
you.
If
you,
especially
if
you
are
in
the
voiceless
position,
maybe
it's
better.
D
Instead
of
going
directly
to
the
manager
and
saying
these
are
my
boundaries
get
some
co-workers
and
say:
hey,
listen,
I've
been
thinking
about
this.
Like
you
know,
I've
been
reading
a
lot
about
burnout
and
depression
and
anxiety
in
the
workplace
and
I
really
think
it'd
be
cool.
If
we,
as
a
team
start
to
talk
about
because
when
there's
more
than
one
person
that
always
makes
it
easier
right.
C
C
So
I
was
in
a
situation
where
you
really
couldn't
do
anything.
My
best
piece
of
advice
is
to
get
someone
externally.
Who
can
coach
you
through
it?
I
was
really
lucky
to
meet
a
guy.
I
will
not
mention
his
name.
Guy
had
been
through
the
gamut
in
corporate
America
eventually
lost
his
wife
due
to
his
job.
G
E
So
I'm
glad
that
you're
all
here
and
I
hope
that
you
take
that
information,
because
we're
in
this
together
and
we
we
need
to
care
about
each
other
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that,
starting
that
conversation
and
being
a
collective
will
drive
that
kind
of
importance
up
and
there,
because
it
begins
to
be
more
of
an
accountability
for
that
and
I.
Think
like.
F
F
General
you
it's,
someone
were
to
say:
oh
I
feel
like
I,
don't
have
a
voice;
well,
it
doesn't
hurt
to
just
try.
You
know
like
go
to
your
manager
voice.
Their
concerns
say
this
is
too
much
you
know
and
if
they
come
back
and
say
well,
I'm,
sorry,
you
know
everybody's
doing
this,
so
you
have
to
take
it.
Then
that
should
be
a
red
flag
like
do
whatever
you
can
to
get
out
of
there
I
mean
my
my
sister.
Actually,
she
was
laid
off
recently.
F
She
had
two
job
offers
at
these
companies
and
she
started
the
first
week.
She
said
I
need
to
work
from
home
on
Wednesday.
For
my
kids,
they
had
an
issue
with
it.
She
took
off
went
than
other
company
who
is
all
remote
I
mean
she
was
able
to
do
that
because,
right
out,
the
gate
like
they
weren't
gonna,
accommodate
her
needs
and
so
I
think
just
voicing
your
concerns
having
those
options
out
there.
You
know
there
are
options,
you
aren't
stuck
where
you
are
I.
H
They're,
just
so
the
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
once
you'd
learn
you
need
boundaries
it.
So
it
really
is
an
expectation.
You
start
day
one
if
you,
if
you
let
yourself
be
taken
advantage
of
again
and
again,
you
will
be,
it
will
be
assumed
that
people
can
do
that,
and
we
all
know
people
who
don't
do
that
and
we
all
know
people
that
do,
and
so
it's
you
know
once
you
learn
because
they're
not
going
to
know
it
day,
one
yeah,
that's.
H
Is
I
think
on
the
management
and
the
people
around
you
to
help
you
with
that?
If
they
don't,
then,
once
you
learn
it
you
you
have
to
do
it
because
you
know,
and
and
people
will
be
fine
with
it
it's
just
when
you
be
you
know,
people
don't
have
issue
one
way
or
the
other
I.
Don't
think
it's.
When
you're
sort
of
you
know
you,
they
can't
figure
you
out
right,
but
if
they
can
figure
out,
they
say
fine.
I
know
that
person
five
o'clock
they're
gone
not
going
to
find
him
yeah.
C
D
I
think
you,
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
to
that
I
think
is
really
important
is
like
you
know
you
you've
had
a
long
career
in
tech.
I've
had
a
long
career
in
tech.
We've
all
had
experience,
detect
it's
kind
of
our
responsibility
to
spot
those
things,
and
when
we
see
someone
who's
voiceless
and
coming
through
the
door
and
clearly
you
know
maybe
they're
just
out
of
college
and
they
don't
know
yeah,
don't
wait
for
them
to
come.
Ask
you
for
help
spot
it
and
say:
listen.
D
D
So
what
the
hell
are
you
doing
here
till
eight
o'clock
like
I,
know
you're
trying
to
set
a
tone
but
you're
actually
setting
the
wrong
tone,
especially
anyone
who
comes
in
whether
they're,
junior
developer
or
they're
trying
to
come
in
and
say
they're.
The
next
10x
developer
that
you're
pulling
in
tell
them
to
stop
it's
not
healthy,
because
if,
in
the
same
way
that
you
know,
one
bad
person
in
an
environment
creates
an
entire
toxic
environment
management
is
not
really
willing
to
step
in
and
stop
it
as
long
as
production
stays
up.
So.
A
That
actually
is
a
great
segue
to
the
next
question,
so
we've
been
talking
about
what
we
as
individuals
can
do.
What
do
we
feel
like
can
happen
with
work
where
the
work
policies
that
can
can
change?
Remember
that
both
both
things
that
can
make
life
a
little
better
for
all
of
us.
Let's
start
with
Chris
this
time,
you've
been
quiet.
C
More
philosophical
comment
on
the
part
of
both
the
company
and
ourselves
and
I-
don't
mean
this
in
any
type
of
offense,
where
we're
all
very
passionate.
That's
why
we're
here,
but
we
have
to
understand
that
there's
more
to
life
than
what
is
here
for
me.
I
have
a
dog
I
love
going
hiking
with
them
again:
I
tutor,
kids,
one
of
my
dreams
one
day
is
to
move
one
of
those
kids
into
college.
It's
gonna
be
the
best
day
of
my
life.
C
D
B
D
There
in
a
protective
company,
but
they
also
have
the
information
on
how
the
company's
protected
themselves.
So,
when
you're,
going
through
an
interview,
process
or
you're
going
through
a
time
of
trouble,
find
out
like
what
is
the
company's
policy
on
mental
health,
do
they
do
do
they
give
you
time
for
that
or
do
they
cover
psychological
or
physical
on?
You
know
not
just
physiological
issues
with
the
health
insurance
that
are
providing
you
do
they
provide
health
insurance?
It's
supposed
to
happen,
but
it
doesn't
always
is
anyone
on
staff
trained
in
mental
health?
D
First
aid
I
mean
it's
it's
a
one-day
program.
It
cost
$150
anywhere
in
the
United
States
every
organization
that
has
more
than
five
or
six
people,
and
it
should
have
someone
who's
trained
in
mental
health.
First
aid
find
these
things
out
and
there's
great
part
like
a
lot
of
people
put
this
into
their
policy,
and
you
hear
a
lot,
especially
in
the
startup
world.
These
people
that
say
we
want
to
make
our
employees
lives
better.
A
D
D
But
yeah
I
mean
like
really
like
when
they
say
we're
trying
to
make
our
developers
life
better.
We're
trying
to
make
our
employees
lives
better.
Go
straight
to
this,
so
you
either
go
to
HR.
If
you
can
go
to
one
of
the
founders
and
say
how,
how
are
you
helping
me
make
my?
How
are
you
insuring
I?
Don't
have
suffer
from
burnout.
How
are
you
ensuring
that
it's
not
work
before
my
regular
life
and
again
in
the
interview
process?
If
you
can
make
things
clear,
you
know
say
things
like
you
know:
hey,
you
know.
D
I
I
have
an
active
lifestyle.
I
go
hiking
with
my
dog,
you
know,
I
have
kids
I'm
a
hockey
coach
I'm.
Also
in
a
band,
you
should
come
see
our
show.
They're,
never
gonna
come
see
your
show,
but
like
just
making
those
things
clear
that
you
have
these
things
that
you
want
to
do.
Dave
and
I
worked
together
for
a
while
and
we
actually
helped
to
run
a
place
called
MH
prompt
org,
which
was
like
before
Oh
SMI.
I
Back
of
the
room,
so
I
lead
a
site,
reliability,
engineering,
team
people
in
lots
of
different
time
zones.
I
agree
that
mental
health
is
a
priority
but
and
I
also
agree
we're
not
running
heart
monitors
or
things
keeping
people
alive.
But
what
about
the
people
who
whose
job
descriptions
do
include
being
on
call
24/7?
D
Sure,
and
and
you've
got
a
great
point-
there
I
mean
sometimes
you
work
in
mission,
critical
systems
or
you're
an
SRE,
and
you
have
to
have
an
on
call.
Having
someone
on
call
is
important.
Have
an
on-call
rotation
yeah,
but
I
mean
like
like
finding
like
making
sure
that
someone
isn't
saying,
like
you
know:
they're,
not
volunteering
their
time
beyond
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
If
you
have
the
understanding,
yes,
you're,
going
to
be
on
call
you'll
be
on
call
for
24
hours,
no
one
likes
to
be
on
pedro
duty.
D
No
one
wants
to
be
there,
but
it
does
happen
but
making
it
comfortable
so
that
a
they're
trained.
If
something
does
happen
like
you're
on
call
that
doesn't
mean
you're
going
to
be
called
if
you
are
called
you're
in
a
comfortable
enough
situation
to
make
sure
whatever
shots
need
to
be.
Whatever
steps
need
to
be
taken
can
be
taken.
D
That's
really
what
it's
all
about!
I
mean.
We
know
that
there's
parts
of
the
job
that
are
gonna
require
outside
of
regular
hours,
but
managing
that
as
best
as
possible
and
make
sure
it
doesn't
rely
on
such
a
small
group
of
people
or
a
single
person
is
what's
key
to
making
sure
people
are
comfortable
and
can
do
it.
So.
F
F
Out
America,
she
is
phenomenal.
I
am
very
blessed
with
the
manager
that
I
have
because
she's
she's
so
good
at
that
she
will
say:
hey
you've
been
working,
you
know
45
hours,
50
hours
this
week
take
off
Monday.
She
will
make
sure
and
that
I
have
that
balance
and
I'm,
not
gonna
burn
out
and
I'm
I'm
forever
grateful
and.
E
That
there
there
are
those
structures,
but
then
you
also
have
things
that
you
can
personally
control
right,
like
how
deeply
are
you
breathing?
Are
you
filling
your
lungs?
Have
you
eat
in
nutritious
food?
Are
we
surviving
on
Red,
Bulls
and
chips
like?
Are
we
sitting
in
positions
that
support
that
right?
Do
you
have
enough
support
in
your
chair?
Are
you
standing
up?
Are
you
getting
some
movement
in
your
body?
E
All
of
those
are
factors
that
contribute
to
your
wellness
and
and
your
focus
and
your
productivity,
and
yes,
I'm,
saying
those
things
but
really
checking
on
ourselves
and
truly,
are
you
drinking
water
like?
Are
you
hydrated?
These
are
all
factors
that
might
feel
so
small,
but
significantly
contribute
to
your
mental
wellness.
B
So
what
advice
do
you
give
to
people
that
are
like
a
remote
workforce,
so
I
work
from
home
I
find
it
really
hard
to
step
away?
It's
not
it's
not
work.
Pressuring
me
I
just
enjoy
it.
I
do
but
they're
like
when
I
used
to
work
at
a
job.
You
know
I'd
shut
my
laptop
and
drive
home
and
it
would
be
like
the
decompression
time,
but
now
I
don't
feel
like
I.
Have
that
anymore,
like
it's
so
easy
to
go
downstairs
and
just
you
know,
get
a
dog
you
could.
C
F
To
start
hours,
so
I
work
from
home
as
well
and
I
like
it
I
have
my
own
personal
boundaries.
So
you
have
your
boundaries
that
you
might
set
with
your
coworkers.
You
have
to
have
boundaries
for
yourself
as
well,
right
so
say
I'm
signing
off
at
6
p.m.
I'm
as
if
I
go
into
an
office.
You
know
I
I
go
in
8
9
in
the
morning,
but
I
sign
off
at
6:00
and
then
I
have
you
know
dinner
with
my
boyfriend
and
I
have
my
life
in
the
morning.
F
B
I
B
D
I've
been
working
for
moe
for
eight
years,
and
one
of
the
biggest
things
I've
done
is
I.
Have
a
work.
Computer
I
have
a
personal
computer
when
I'm
done
working
that
computer
is
done.
It
stays
in
my
office,
the
personal
computers
for
side
projects
packing
on
stuff
recording
stuff,
whatever
it's
a
separate
entity
altogether,
so
I
have
to
stop
working
like
my.
My
setup
is
completely
different
and
the
different
machines,
so
even
that
little
step
makes
a
difference
between
work,
stuff
and
other
stuff.
I
do
on
computer
outside
of
work
time
and.
G
E
Would
give
them
literally
practical
information
about
that
like
treat
it
like
you're
going
to
work,
get
up,
put
your
clothes
on
and
then
and
eat
breakfast
before
you
even
start
the
day.
You
have
to
be
intentional
about
that.
Otherwise,
your
your
personal
space
bleeds
right
into
it.
So
you
have
to
have
those
mile
markers
even
with
your
family
members.
It's
like
I'm
done
working,
but
I
have
this
half
hour
where
I
can
engage
with
you,
because
this
is
my
commute
and
decompress
time
that
is
so
important
and
make
space
for
that.
A
F
I
said
for
me:
it's
all
about
setting
those
boundaries
and
one
of
the
the
most
important
phrases
that
I
have
learned
is:
when
do
you
need
this
by
so
often
you're
sent
like
hey?
Can
you
do
this
right
now?
Hey?
What
can
you
take
on
this?
Can
you
do
this
and
you
think
it's
ad-hoc
and
just
have
to
do
it
right,
they're
like
oh,
yes,
I
can
do
it
ever
since
I
switched
to.
When
do
you
need
this
bye?
It's
normally
like.
Oh
I,
just
need
it
in
like
a
week.
F
E
D
B
A
D
My
final
comment:
I
mean
it's
it's
kind
of
cliche,
but
I.
You
know
it's
been
said
so
many
times.
Nobody
sits
there
on
their
deathbed,
saying
man
I
really
wish
I
got
more
work
done.
Take
take
that
destryed,
like
you
understand
like
you
know,
work
is
work
and
it's
great.
It's
important.
We
learn
from
it
and
we
build
our
lives
from
it,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
it's
a
means
to
an
end.
It's
not
everything.
It's
not
all
encompassing
take
time
to
be
with
people
take
time
to
focus
on
yourself.
D
D
So
hey
start
caring
about
you
look
at
yourself
if
you're
not
lucky
like
Chris
and
I,
to
have
someone
externally
and
come
and
say
something
analyze
yourself
say
you
know
what
the
very
least
I
could
do
if
I'm
not
finding
anything
wrong
is
I
can
schedule.
One
appointment
and
go
see
a
therapist
and
just
talk
for
an
hour
and
see
how
I
feel
afterwards
take
that
step
and
see
if
that
helps
improve
your
life.
Okay,.
A
So
a
couple
of
things
under
each
of
the
names
up
here
are
our
respective
twitter
handles.
If
you
want
to
just
reach
out
and
talk
to
any
of
us,
one
on
one
will
be
around
after
this
panel
feel
free
to
grab
us
as
well,
but
feel
free
to
reach
out.
You
know,
just
while
we
were
putting
this
panel
together,
the
insights
and
the
the
compassion
through
this
panel
really
came
through,
and
so
I
really
do.