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From YouTube: CNCF Governing Board Session - Arun Gupta, Apple; Aparna Sinha, Google; & Priyanka Sharma, CNCF
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CNCF Governing Board Session - Arun Gupta, Head of the Open Source Program Office, Apple; Aparna Sinha, Group Product Manager for Kubernetes, Google; & Priyanka Sharma, Executive Director, CNCF
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A
A
A
I
love
working
in
this
community
and
supporting
it
every
day,
and
I
do
that
with
the
help
of
a
wonderful
board
of
directors.
It's
to
today
we
have
about
28
people,
I
think,
on
the
board,
and
they
are
a
very
diverse
set
of
folks.
Some
some
people
are
from
startups.
Many
are
from
large
companies
who
are
platinum
members
and
then
many
are
somewhere
in
the
middle.
So
good
diverse
audience
now
here
today
with
me,
I
have
two
very
key
board
members
in
cncf.
A
First
is
arun
gupta,
who
is
our
representative
from
apple
and
also
our
latest
cncf
board
chair
so
and
the
second
is
aparna,
who
is
on
the
zoom
and
she
is
a
board
member
from
google
and
she
used
to
be
chair
until
like
a
week
ago,
and
she
had
a
tenure
of
two
awesome
years.
So
arun
and
aparna
I'd
love
for
you
to
introduce
yourself.
Do
you
want
to
go
first,
aparna.
B
You're
happy
too
hi
everyone,
I'm
aprina
sinha.
I
have
been
part
of
the
cncf
since
I
joined
the
kubernetes
project,
which
was
in
2016
and
the
cncf
was
just
getting
started.
I'm
a
director
of
product
at
google
cloud
where
I
run
the
developer
platform
and
it's
been
a
real
privilege,
working
with
dan
cohen,
initially
and
then,
of
course,
priyanka
and
everyone
else
on
the
governing
board.
C
All
right
yeah,
my
name
is
arun
gupta.
I
head
the
open
source
program
office
at
apple.
I've
been
with
I've,
been
doing
cloud
native
for
a
while.
I
was
the
person
who
made
amazon
joined
cloud
native
computing
foundation.
Was
their
primary
board
representative
over
there
joined
apple
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
since
then
have
been
their
primary
representative.
C
C
It's
a
mutual
thing
and
just
clarification:
we
are
a
governing
board.
We
are
not
a
board
of
directors.
Board
of
directors
is
for
the
linux
foundation.
We
are
a
governing
board
in
that
sense,
because
cncf
is
a
subsidiary
of
linux
foundation.
Yeah.
No,
I
mean
I've
been
doing
cloud
native
for
a
very
long
time,
at
apple,
of
course,
anything
around
open
source
efforts.
Where
I
get
deeply
involved,
my
team
gets
deeply
involved.
C
Tim
and
paris
are
from
my
team
they're
here,
they're
deeply
involved
in
the
kubernetes
community,
so
we
do
a
lot
of
internal
events,
a
lot
of
internal
enablement,
education,
cloud
native
principles.
We
did
a
kubernetes
summit
last
year.
We
did
an
infrastructure
summit
earlier
this
year
end
of
this
month.
We
are
getting
ready
for
an
inner
source
summit.
So
all
that
concept
of
you
know,
principles
that
are
available
out
in
the
public,
we're
trying
to
bring
inside
apple
as
well.
It's
a
lot
of
fun
things
that
are
happening
at
apple
today.
A
Awesome
well,
thank
you
for
sharing
about
your
journey
and
your
experiences.
So
today,
folks,
this
is
the
first.
As
I
said,
this
is
the
first
time
we're
doing
a
gb
session
and
what
I
thought
might
be
nice
is
just
to
for
me
to
interview
our
two
board
members
ask
about
their
experiences
and
generally
introduce
the
board
to
you.
Folks,
and
I
would
love
to
welcome
audience
participation.
Questions
from
y'all
are
very
much
welcomed.
I
think,
if
jill's,
okay
with
it,
I
can,
we
can
actually
sprinkle
them
as
we
are
going.
A
C
A
Sure,
yes,
so
the
way
cncf
is
structured
is
that
there
is
the
technical
oversight
committee,
which
is
made
up
of
elected
volunteers
who
are
who
are
created,
who
are
sort
of
our
technology.
Taste
makers,
they're,
the
folks
who
are
determining
what
projects
join
into
the
cncf.
What
projects
you
know
go
through
the
various
stages
of
sandbox
incubated
graduated
and
then
maybe
some
projects
that
get
retired.
A
So
that
is
the
technology
taste
makers
they.
On
a
parallel
level.
There
is
the
end
user
community,
which
is
the
community
of
end
users
that
are
members
of
cncf
and
supporters.
We
have
two
categories
and
they
get
together
in
bi-weekly
sessions
to
talk
through
the
various
projects
in
cncf
how
our
technologies
are
being
utilized
and
it's
a
safe
private
space
for
end
users
without
any
vendors
to
go,
have
conversations
about
how
to
go
cloud
native
so.
A
A
C
A
A
Right,
paris,
who's
the
developer
representative
as
well.
So
you
hear
me,
I
said:
oracle
apple,
google
and
then
developer
representative.
So
our
board
is
made
up
of
different
kinds
of
folks
and
we
have
two
developer
reps
to
always
stay
close
to
our
roots,
to
the
engineers
and
then,
in
addition,
of
course,
various
companies,
either
by
election
or
by
benefit
of
membership
or
part
of
the
board.
The
board's
focus
is
on
the
strategic
direction
of
cncf
and
I
work
for
me
and
my
staff.
A
We
work
closely
with
the
board
on
our
yearly
objectives,
how
we
are
doing
the
budget
that
we
pass
all
that
stuff
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
technical
oversight
committee
is
a
separate
committee
and
they
do
their
totally
independent
body
and
users
have
representation
in
both
these
bodies.
So
in
toc
there
are
some
seats
that
are
for
end
users,
which
has
turned
out
to
be
a
really
successful
move
on
our
part
and
then
also
in
the
board.
We
have
end
users
represented
as
well
and.
C
Because
governing
board
is
purely
for
administrative
financial
functions
and
no
say
in
the
technical
matter
that
oh
kubernetes
should
go
this
direction.
No,
that's
purely
like
a
kubernetes
steering
committed
decision,
but
then
again
influenced
by
the
toc.
So
we
keep
those
functions
like
a
separation
of
concerns.
B
Yeah,
I
would
love
to,
I
think
you
know
a
little
bit
of
the
historical
perspective
is
perhaps
useful
as
well
yeah.
I
think
that
you
know
that
the
cncf
sort
of
originated
with
you
know
the
kubernetes
project
it,
the
kubernetes
projects
really
needed
a
home.
You
know
not
just
for
the
trademark,
but
also
for
the
project
itself,
such
that
it
would
have.
B
You
know,
a
very
rich
and
diverse,
thriving
community,
and
so
that
is
why
you
know
google,
which
was
the
company
that
the
kubernetes
project
came
from.
Originally,
you
know
worked
with
at
the
time
the
linux
foundation
for
the
founding
of
the
of
the
cncf,
the
cloud-native
computing
foundation,
and
I
think
it
has
really
grown
and
evolved.
B
There
are
so
many
more
projects
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
biggest
there
are
so
many
different
services,
and
so
many
different
benefits
that
the
cloud
native
computing
foundation
provides.
But
one
of
the
early
ones
was
to
really
organize
and
provide
a
landscape
of
how
these
different
technologies
and
how
these
different
product
projects
fit
together.
B
And
that
is
the
kind
of
central
purpose
in
the
beginning
of
the
of
the
technical
oversight
committee.
So
they
dealt
with.
How
do
we,
you
know,
figure
out
which
projects
should
move
from
a
sandbox
stage
to
a
graduated
stage,
and
initially
there
were
no
graduated
projects,
and
then
you
know
kubernetes,
graduated
and
prometheus
graduated,
and
so
that
the
technical
oversight
committee
really
came
up
with
the
principles
for
what
constitutes
cloud
native
and
what
are
the
projects
that
should
be
part
of
the
landscape,
and
how
do
we
graduate
these
projects?
B
And
that
is
still
a
process?
That's
an
ongoing
process.
Of
course,
more
recently,
the
the
technical
oversight
committee
has,
as
the
cloud
native
community
has
grown,
they
have
specialized
with
these
tags
or
technical
advisory
groups
into
various
areas,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
just
to
point
out
that
the
projects
themselves
are
self-governing.
B
It
is
not
that
the
cncf
is
governing
the
projects.
Each
of
the
projects
has,
you
know
at
for
the
appropriate
size
and
stage
of
the
project.
They
have
their
own
code
of
conduct,
they
have
their
own,
you
know
governance
rules
and
they
have
their
own
steering
committees
and
the
cncf
does
an
excellent
job
of
providing
a
basic
infrastructure
and
guidance
on
all
of
these.
You
know
this
is
what
the
code
of
conduct
should
be.
B
A
A
Yeah,
you
know
it's
it's
interesting,
you
ask
this
question
and
it's
great
timing
for
it,
because
just
yesterday
we
did
a
board
strategy
session
and
this
was
one
of
the
major
topics
that
kept
coming
up,
which
is
that
as
the
complexity
grows
off
the
landscape,
but
to
be
honest,
I
feel
like
two
years
ago
we
were
in
the
same
same.
The
question
was
the
same.
The
projects
were
lesser,
but
the
question
was
the
same,
but
it's
like.
A
How
do
we
help
folks-
and
there
is
talk
of
you-
know-
figuring
out-
maybe
some
kind
of
reference,
architectures
and
materials
like
that.
For
us,
it
is
tricky
because
we
have
to
stay
true
to
a
few
things.
One
is
you
can't
recommend
one
stack
for
everybody:
it's
definitely
not
going
to
work
right,
different
workloads,
different
issues,
etc,
etc.
A
C
Yeah
so,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
the
overall
landscape,
you
know,
I
think
a
constituency
somebody
was
showing
it
yesterday
or
cornelia
actually
was
showing
it
how
we
have
placed
tags
on
top
of
those.
So
let's
say
observability
is
an
area
that
matter
to
you,
so
you
can
start
attending
the
tag
observability
and
start
getting
some
guidance
over
there
share.
From
my
perspective,
like
we
talked
to
a
lot
of
teams
inside
apple
who
are
trying
to
adopt
cloud
native
stack,
do
they
want
to
adapt
the
same
stack?
C
No,
each
conversation
is
very
unique,
very
nuanced,
and
this
goes
back
to
my
amazon
days
when
I
was
talking
to
a
lot
of
customers
that
hey
we
want
to
adopt
cloud
native,
okay,
what
is
cloud
native
to
you?
So,
let's
help
them
understand
that.
So
I
think
each
conversation
in
that
sense
we
cannot
give
like
a
here
is
my
prescription
that
will
work
for
everybody.
So
I
think
that
each
conversation
is
very
unique,
very
nuanced
and
she
was
right
that
there
is
no
king
maker
here.
You
know
if
the
there
is
a
different
stages.
C
Cncf
in
that
sense,
does
provide
guidance
in
terms
of
hey.
What
is
the
maturity
of
the
project?
Is
the
project
used
heavily?
Is
it
graduated?
Is
it
meeting
a
certain
bar?
Is
it
just
an
experimental
project?
That's
why
it's
a
sandbox
project
so
be
willing
that
you
know
it
may
break
backwards
compatibility
so
things
like
those
matter
to
you.
So,
at
least
in
that
sense
we
are
providing
guidance.
B
Yeah
I'd
like
to
add
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that's
really
important
is
to
provide
choice
because
cloud-native
computing
is
still
a
very
nascent
and
fast-moving
area
of
technology.
So
you
know
when
I
was
first
starting
out
with
kubernetes.
Everything
would
change
every
six
months
completely
different.
B
Of
various
things,
and
so
you
would
see
you
know
different
types
of
container
runtimes,
you
would
see
many
different
types
of
network
network
plugins,
networking,
plugins
you'd,
see-
and
it
has
you
know
in
general
cloud
native
computing-
involves
a
modular
architecture
where
many
different
components
can
plug
in.
So
that's
why
there
is
so
much
variety.
I
think
that
it's
a
good
thing,
certainly
the
no
king
making
principle
is
important,
however,
allowing
that
variety
is
also
important.
B
B
The
cncf
is
fairly
confident
that
you
know
this
is
a
project.
That's
there
to
stay,
because
there's
a
significant
amount
of
end
user
adoption
and
there's
a
lot
of
diversity
in
terms
of
the
contributor
base.
They
we
look
at
things
like
you
know,
what's
the
level
of
contribution?
What's
the
longevity
of
the
companies
that
are
contributing?
So
if
you
have
major
companies
like
red
hat,
google
et
cetera
and
they're
actively
contributing,
then
you
know
that
that
project
is
important
and
you
have
companies
like
apple
that
are
using
that
project.
A
A
A
A
Oh
yes,
absolutely
so,
if
I
tell
me
if
I
get
this
right,
the
question
is
that,
from
the
end
user
perspective,
verticalization
is
super
important,
because
you
know
the
needs
of
the
automotive
industry
may
be
very
different
from
the
needs
of
the
web
scalers,
and
so
how
do
we
accommodate,
for
that?
Is
there
a
way
for
reference
architecture
specific
to
different
types
of
industry
verticals?
A
And
I,
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
that
I
think
this
is
in
its
early
stages,
so
you
know
be
patient,
but
I
am
starting
to
see
a
verticalization
of
the
cigs
and
working
groups
that
are
happening
in
the
end
user
community
and
around
it.
So
I'll
give
you
two
examples.
One
is
in
the
telco
operator
world
right
we
from
what
I
have
heard
from
each
and
every
telco.
A
I
talked
to
they're
very
excited
to
go
cloud
native
and
they
are
at
different
stages
of
maturity
in
that
process,
as
they
are
trying
to
do
their
best
to
get
going
with
it
defining.
What
is
a
cloud
native
network
function
is
a
bit
of
a
everybody
thinks
slightly
different
things
and
everybody
wants
their
thing
to
be.
A
Now,
alongside
that
working
group,
there
is
a
cnf
test,
suite
testbed,
where
you
can
actually
run
a
cnf
and
get
like.
You
know
this
passes,
or
this
does
not
pass
and
our
plan
is
to
work
once
we're
starting
to
feel
good
about
these
best
practices.
Our
plan
is
to
work
to
do
a
certification
around
that,
so
that
and
we
wanna
do
it
in
a
cloud
native
way.
So
we
wanna
keep
it
very
low
footprint.
A
A
The
second
example
is
something
that
just
recently
came
up,
which
is,
I
was
actually
in
europe
a
month
month
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
met
a
bunch
of
automotive
companies
and
it
just
really
coalesced
in
the
conversation
that
we
need
a
working
group,
that's
specific
to
these
types
of
companies,
since
we
have
realized
that
the
plain
people
and
the
trained
people
are
also
in
similar
boats.
So
maybe
it'll
be
a
mobility
working
group
still
figuring
that
out.
A
Oh
wait,
telco
thinks
mobility
is
something
else
anyway,
we'll
figure
out
the
naming,
but
that
is
a
different
type
of
working
group.
That's
gonna
spin
up
for
these
folks
to
come
together.
So
I
see
this.
My
hunch
is
that
this
will
continue
to
happen.
I
will
tell
you
a
very
practical
challenge
that
we
are
going
to
face
from
in
being
successful
with
these
working
groups
is
getting
the
right
folks
in
the
room
and
creating
self-governance
structures
so
that
these
groups
can
multiply
without
linearly
needing
to
increase
cncf
staff
to
host
and
manage
them.
C
Areas
that
matter,
because
you
know
one
person
saying-
doesn't
really
help
too
much,
so
you
know
potentially
gather
people
from
your
industry
like,
for
example,
yesterday,
at
the
strategy
meeting
we
were
discussing
iot
strategy.
You
know
what
does
it
mean
to
run
kubernetes
in
a
cloud
native
way
in
on
the
edge.
So
there
are
folks
around
that.
There's
a
working
group
around
that.
So
I
think
there
are
pockets
and.
A
C
Then
you
know
them
staying
motivated,
because
you
need
that
thread.
That's
going
to
drive
that
discussion
take
it
forward
and
it's
got
to
kind
of
think
from
a
person
who's
participating
their
company
perspective.
It
needs
to
kind
of
tie
it
back
to
the
business
somehow,
because
if
you're
doing
this
for
the
fun
of
it,
then
it
just
becomes
a
passion
and
a
hobby
yeah.
B
Another
was
you
know,
cis
benchmarks
and
best
practices
sharing
across
financial
and
services
institutions
of
how
to
adopt
kubernetes.
In
that
case,
and
I
think
that
really
helped.
Now
we
find
that
there's
tremendous
adoption
in
financial
services
because
really
has
security
container
security
has,
I
would
say,
cross
the
chasm
different
things
matter
to
different
industries,
and
this
is
one
way
of
influencing.
A
E
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
so
transparent
and
opening
to
us.
My
question
is
in
regards
to
meet
up
organizers,
I'm
one
of
the
meetup
organizers,
co-organizers
for
an
official
cncf
meetup
in
bucharest
in
romania,
and
I'm
curious
a
bit
about
your
vision
on
the
meetup
organizers
and
like
your
plan.
How
do
you
see
this
fitting
in
the
in
the
cncf
community.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
if
you
saw
that
and
the
whole
idea
there
is
to
bring
the
community
in
one
place
where
we
can
then
cross-populate
them
to
different
cloud
native
interests
like
let's
say,
there's
a
meet
up
about
or
even
a
kcd
happening
locally
or
there's
a
meetup
about
a
technology
topic
that
two
three
other
meetup
members
might
be
interested
in.
So
the
hope
is
that
by
bringing
in
this
bevi
technology
we
can
enhance
the
experience
of
the
meetup
organizers
as
well
as
all
the
attendees
who
join
in.
A
So
that's
something
we're
doing
on
a
very
tactical
level,
but
I
think
the
hundred
percent,
the
must
do
for
us
strategically,
is
to
make
sure
organizers
like
yourself.
We
keep
rewarding
you
and
creating
a
positive
feedback
mechanism
for
you,
so
that
your
ranks
grow
and
the
numbers
keep
growing,
and
one
second
piece
is:
this
is
something
just
I'm
toying
with
in
my
head.
Is
I'm
trying
to
think
of
end
user
specific
type
meetups
that
could
happen
on
a
localized
way
which
might
bring
out
more
people
than
we
have
traditionally
seen?
C
I
think
meetups
are
really
essential
for
any
these
grassroots
technology
industry
super
important
super
critical
role,
because
not
everybody
can
come
to
kubecon,
not
everybody
can
go
to
a
community
day,
yeah
having
those
meetups
in
each
and
every
street,
essentially
where
it's
like
a
bar.
You
just
hang
out
and
talk
about
hey,
I'm
building
my
kubernetes
architecture
like
this.
What
do
you
think
about
this
and
having
those
discussions
over
a
pizza
and
a
beer
are
much
more
meaningful,
as
opposed
to
like
you
know,
going
to
kubecon?
A
B
In
my
10
years,
chair
great
question:
well,
I
think
one
of
the
things
I'm
proudest
of
is
when
I
joined
I
wanted
to
work
on
two
things.
One
is
to
work
on
strategy
and
I
have
a
framework
for
the
board
to
come
together
to
work
on
strategy.
As
you
can
imagine,
it's
a
lot
of
different
companies.
Not
all
of
them
are
cooperative
and
so,
but
bringing
them
together
in
the
context
of
the
cncf,
and
I
think
that
we
have
accomplished
that
well,
especially
in
partnership
with
priyanka.
B
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
you
have
done
priyanka
is
that
you've
made
the
cncf
governing
board
more
open,
so
we've
started
publishing
our
minutes
actually
a
couple
a
year
or
so
ago,
and
you
know
now
we're
having
these
type
of
these
type
of
panels
that
we
will
continue
to
have,
and
it's
been
much
more
inviting
when
I
first
joined
as
chair.
One
of
the
problems
was
that
the
community
felt
disconnected
from
the
governing
board
and
I
think
that
we
have
come
a
long
way
towards
addressing
that.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
aparna,
your
words
are
so
kind,
and
your
support
and
partnership
has
been
essential
for
me
to
ramp
up
in
this
role
and
then
work
with
you
to
execute
on
all
these
things.
We
wanted
to
do
with
the
board,
and
I
agree
that
the
feel
and
the
vibe
in
the
board
meetings
is
completely
different
now
from
when
we
started
off.
So
thank
you
for
everything
you
did
arun.
I
have
a
similar
question,
but
different
in
that.
What
are
you
most
excited
to
work
on
and
accomplish
in
your
upcoming
tenure
as
chair,
I.
C
Think
aparna
set
me
up
for
success
here
already
because
you
know
she
build
that
framework
around
transparency
over
there.
I
want
to
extend
that
forward.
I
want
to
bring
that
empathy.
That's
the
word
that
I
want
to
use.
I
want
to
have
that
empathy
for
each
one
of
you,
whether
you
are
a
provider
as
she
would
correct
me
or.
C
I
want
to
have
an
empathy
for
each
one
of
you.
I
want
to
be
able
to
talk
to
end
user
members.
I
want
to
be
able
to
talk
to
gold
members
silver
members,
all
of
them,
whether
you
are
a
paid
member
or
an
unpaid
member.
Tell
us
tell
us
more
and
more
priyanka,
and
I
were
talking
about
how
we
want
we're
going
to
have
this
kind
of
a
session
at
each
kubecon
going
forward.
You
should
have
the
right.
No,
you
are
a
cncf
member.
You
should
be
able
to
tell
us
what
is
happening.
C
What
is
not
happening,
so
that's
one
thing
that
I'm
excited
about
empathy.
The
second
one
is
kind
of
bringing
more
neutral
end
user
voice,
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
apple,
is
an
end
user.
We
are
a
large
consumer
of
cloud
native
technologies.
I
want
to
bring
more
people
like
apple,
more
teams
like
companies
like
apple
to
cncf,
so
hopefully
educate
them
that
why
did
we
join?
C
D
I
see
any
company
from
china,
so
I
know
there
will
be
upcoming
virtual
conference
in
china,
but
still
I
I
just
wondering
how
will
sensef
and
to
address
continue
these
challenges
in
particularly,
we
don't
want
to
create.
We
won't
have
a
single
community
right,
so
my
talk
and
I
have
a
co-present
and
author
in
the
community
from
alibaba
we're
collaborating,
but
still
I'm
missing.
The
personal
interaction
right
so
far
looks
like
we
have
completed
two
different
words.
I
know
a
lot
of
the
political
other
thing,
but
just
from
cncf
community
perspective.
D
A
Yes,
this
is,
this
has
become
a
bigger
challenge
than
I
hoped
it
would
ever
be,
of
course,
for
all
of
us
we
couldn't
meet
until
right.
Now,
right
and
most
people
from
outside
the
u.s,
some
countries
have
been
able
to
attend,
but,
generally
speaking,
it's
mostly
all
u.s
attendees
here,
and
so
we
have
been
kind
of
nationally
isolated
in
some
ways,
and
that
is
really
a
covered
effect.
We
are
doing
the
virtual
event
in
china
end
of
the
year,
and
you
know
we
are
just
waiting
to
see
what
happens
next
year.
A
I
am
a
little
nervous
because,
from
what
I've
heard
is
that
the
restrictions
for
travel
going
into
china
might
might
not
ease
by
q3
next
year,
which
would
be
a
problem
for
us
to
host
an
in-person
event.
So
it's
one
of
those
things
where
there
is
literally
nothing
we
can
do.
The
only
thing
we
can
we
could
do
if
which
we
are
talking
about
is
potentially
folks
in
china
meeting
in
person,
but
just
kind
of
like
we
did
here.
A
C
Just
to
add
color
to
that
like
yesterday,
that
one
of
the
topics
was
exactly
on
that
that,
what's
going
to
be
the
event
strategy
for
fy,
22
and
angela,
she
runs
all
of
the
events
for
lf.
She
was
deeply
engaged
in
that
strategy
and
she's
been
thinking
far
ahead,
and
we
don't
know
what
the
next
three
six
months
nine
months
are
gonna,
look
like
so
really
constantly
like
keeping
a
tab
on
it
and
evolving,
and
one
thing
that
I'm
assured
of
looking
at
how
we
have
handled
events.
C
A
Yeah
we're
all
in
this
together
really
because
we
are
being
pulled
by
so
forces
beyond
ourselves,
but
until
then
we
just
use
you
zoom
as
best
as
we
can.
I
think
we
are
oh
yeah.
We
are
definitely
over
time
now.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
came.
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
want
to
thank
my
panelists,
aparna
and
arun
for
such
a
great
session.