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From YouTube: Panel: Magma End Users - Moderator: Phil Ritter
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Panel: Magma End Users - Sascha Dech, Deutsche Telekom, Jim Mains, Shoelace Wireless, Boris Renski, FreedomFi, Jesse Rauche, Baicells, representing WiConnect, Ayush Sharma, MotoJeannie, & Mariel Triggs, Muralnet Moderator: Phil Ritter, Facebook
A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
our
panel
on
magma
and
how
it's
being
used
in
various
businesses
and
various
deployments.
Today
we
have
a
group
of
six
leaders
in
the
industry
who
have
all
found
new
and
novel
ways
to
use
magma
to
build
business
or
build
product.
I'm
going
to
do
a
brief
introduction
and
I'll.
Let
them
tell
their
a
little
bit
about
their
story.
A
B
B
Magma
enables
those
modern
day
networking
requirements
without
being
tied
to
a
specific
vendor
in
a
more
agnostic
way.
It
provides
programmability
openness,
disaggregation
it
is
developed
and
and
and
and
by
the
community
and
for
the
community.
So
so
this
is
a
perfect
fit
for
motogeni
to
leverage,
magma
and
contribute
back
and,
and
hopefully
it
will
lead
to
wider
and
mass
adoption.
A
Thanks
ayush
so
sasha,
it's
interesting
to
see
a
very
large
mmo
operator
taking
an
interest
in
a
product
like
magma.
This
is
not
a
typical
thing
that
the
major
network
operators
typically
do,
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you're
doing
and
how
you've
come
to
join
into
the
magma
experience.
C
Yeah,
of
course,
I
think
it
all
started
with
the
tip
wi-fi
program,
so
I'm
I'm
doing
wi-fi
business
for
quite
a
while
and
yeah.
We
had
this
idea
of
bringing
together
the
data
that
we're
collecting
from
various
places
into
one
place
where
it
actually
makes
sense,
and
we
can
derive
some
kind
of
network
intelligence
out
of
it,
and
I
think,
by
the
time
we
met
shaw
and
all
of
the
team
of
the
of
of
magma
and
yeah.
Those
guys
were
really
really
amazing,
and
you
know
we.
C
This
is
a
is
a
learning
and
understanding
experience
and
also
giving
us
some
new
insights
how
we
could
also
solve
problems,
how
we
could
tackle
problems
differently
and
yeah,
I
think
also
for
the
for
the
disaggregation
and
software
softwarization
of
the
telco
industry.
It's
it's
quite
necessary
that
we
join
open
projects
that
we
work
together
as
a
community
and
that
we
understand
that
something
like
magma
can
only
help.
All
of
us
in
the
industry
also
us
mnos
to
get
better
and
faster
time
to
markets
and
reduce
our
tco.
A
Thank
you
sasha.
That's
that's
actually
very
intriguing
to
hear
how
you're
seeing
magma
as
a
target
to
help
reduce
the
cost
of
ownership,
which
is
really
a
major
focus
of
what
the
project
is
all
about.
Marielle.
You
are
working
in
a
space
that
is
especially
fascinating
to
me
and
serving
a
community
that
has
been
largely
ignored
by
the
large
mobile
operators
or
where
it
hasn't
been
economic
for
the
mobile
operators
to
bring
service
to
them.
Tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you're
doing
and
how
magma
has
helped.
You
support
your
community.
D
Sure,
thanks
phillip,
my
name
is
marielle.
I
run
a
non-profit
mural
that
and
we
work
with
the
native
communities
in
order
to
control
their
internet
access
future
and,
like
you
said,
for
a
lot
of
our
role
partners.
There
is
no
return
on
investment.
So
when
it
comes
to
how
they're
going
to
get
connected,
it's
they're
going
to
have
to
connect
themselves
in
2017,
we
started
our
first
pilot
and
I
believe
the
first
field,
deployment
of
magma
with
the
havasupai
tribe
at
the
bottom
of
the
grand
canyon.
D
So
this
is
a
location,
that's
the
most
remote
community
in
the
lower
48
states
and
with
the
the
tech
core
that
we
had.
It
was
a
buy
sales
equipment
and
it
was
the
first
magma
core
and
we
were
able
to
get
the
broadband
to
the
bottom
of
the
grand
canyon
within
half
a
day's
work
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
So
what
this
allowed
for
is
for
broadband
in
a
place
that
never
had
it
and
that's
the
important
part
of
it
and
why
we've
definitely
stuck
with
magma.
D
D
We
ended
up
deploying
a
lot
of
emergency
networks,
so
what
magma
allowed
us
to
do
is
quickly
and
cheaply
get
people
online
fast
within
the
tribal
communities,
and
every
single
one
of
our
emergency
and
pilot
deployments
grew
into
full
deployment
or
are
growing
into
full
deployments.
We
are
helping
with
over
probably
around
two
dozen
networks
right
now
and
we
have
over
a
hundred
clients
that
we
consult
with.
D
So
what
I
see
in
magma
is
this
flexibility
of
both
the
hardware
that
it
can
work
with
it's
agnostic
there,
but
also
that
you
can
run
of
a
core
on
the
cloud.
That's
completely
and
easy
to
support
or
if
they're
more
concerned
about
data
sovereignty
and
want
to
have
complete
control
their
network.
It
can
be
on
a
local
core.
D
It
can
change
and
grow
as
they
need,
and
what
magma
allows
mural
net
to
do
is
to
be
the
support
that
is
necessary
at
the
different
phases
as
the
tribes
grow,
their
networks
and
their
network
vision,
so
that
they
can
eventually
realize
and
control
their
internet
future.
So
that's
what
I
love
about:
magma,
the
flexibility,
the
fact
that
it's
tech,
agnostic
and
open
to
almost
everything
it
seems
and
that
it
allows
for
for
our
clients
to
grow.
A
Thanks
marielle,
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
what
I
want
to
do
is
next
go
to
jesse
and
you
have
actually
very
similar
story.
But
a
very
different
kind
of
community
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
happened
with
we
connect
and
how
magma
was
able
to
allow
you
to
to
do
a
deployment
in
a
place
that
was
underserved
or
unserved.
E
E
So,
for
example,
the
layer
2
bridging
functionality
within
magma
that
was
added,
really
makes
it
more
wi-fi,
like
you
know,
to
the
point
they
can
use
their
own.
You
know
ghp
server
to
do
the
assigning
the
addresses
so
bridging
that
technical
gap
and
complexity
that
is
normally
inherent
with
an
lcd
core
that
that
really
supports
the
adoption
of
these
networks.
E
But,
of
course,
the
the
cost
is
also
a
huge
factor
and
by
having
the
solution,
that's
widely
available
in
open
source
space
plus
having
you
know,
the
companies
in
this
case
require
connect
like
freedom,
5
commercializing,
the
solution
having
very
affordable
gateways
that
could
be
deployed
at
each
power
site.
You
know
that
makes
this
technology
available
and
a
possibility
to
deploy
in
these
ultra
role,
situations
to
the
point
where
subscriber
counts
could
be
less
than
10,
and
you
can
still
make
some
roi
sense.
F
Sure,
thanks
phil
and
also
working
heavily
with
my
buddy
there
sasha.
So
macma
is
a
critical
opponent
for
us
to
enable
the
adoption
and
deployment
of
our
technology
and
what
we
focus
on
is
the
market
challenge
of
insatiable
mobile
internet
demand.
You
know,
as
fast
as
an
operator
builds
out
a
network.
F
It
gets
consumed
which
creates
a
lot
of
stress
on
their
infrastructure
and
business
models,
and
that
was
fine
when
used,
operators
are
going
from
2g
to
3g,
4g
and
so
on,
where
they
can
actually
make
more
money,
but
not
only
you
know,
5g
and
6g
becomes
challenging,
especially
when
unlimited
plans
so
and
then
in
the
oven
of
five
dollar
unlimited
plants
in
some
part
of
the
country.
You
know
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
different
models.
F
I
think
one
of
the
things
sasha
said
that
you
know
our
approach
is:
is
that
we
look
at
the
world
differently
so,
instead
of
looking
from
the
network
out,
we
look
from
the
user
of
the
device
back
and
there's
plenty
of
spectrum,
and
if
you
can
intelligently
harvest
it,
so
we've
developed
client
technology,
that's
multi-path,
traffic,
steering
and
switching
and
aggregation.
So
we
can
take
advantage
of
any
available
and
accessible
licensed
and
unlicensed
spectrum
to
provide
great
connectivity
experience
at
affordable
cost
for
operator.
F
So
what
magma
key
component
that
offered
is?
We
need
to
make
it
easy
for
this
capacity,
whether
it's
wi-fi
or
private
lte,
to
be
augmented
into
the
network,
so
we
can
leverage
both
of
those
spectrum
and
then
be
able
to
intelligently
steer
that
traffic
and
the
other
key
thing
you
know
it's
been
invaluable
for
us
for
magma
is
that
it
brings
us
to
a
wealth
of
innovative
partners.
I
mean
boris
has
helped
us,
I
think
we've
obviously
sasha,
but
countless
other
ones
that
you
know
trying
to
do
it
alone
yourself.
F
G
A
Thanks,
boris
that
that's
actually
a
very
keen
insight
on
the
types
of
projects
that
tend
to
be
successful
or
dominant,
open
source
projects
and
how
a
project
like
magma
fits
into
that
for
the
rest
of
this.
I
don't
want
to
direct
questions
throughout
the
team,
but
I'll
just
toss
a
couple
of
questions
out
and
see
if
anyone
wants
to
take
a
shot
at
answering
them
and
how
you
can
build
on
that.
A
A
B
Yeah
so
I
mean
for
any
startup
to
succeed
and
thrive.
It's
very
important
to
innovate.
You
know
at
speed
and
in
a
frugal
manner,
so
how
we
are
leveraging
magma
and
how
it
is
helping
us
in
all.
These
three
elements
is,
first,
is
frugality
right,
so
we
are
able
to
use.
You
know,
obviously,
the
the
the
commodity
hardware
here
so
that
enables
us
to
to
have
a
frugal
systems
built-
and
second,
is
innovation
and
boris
touched
upon
it
and
we're
working
with
boris
on
several.
B
People
who,
where,
where
we
engage
with
the
audience
so
and
those
are
decoupling
of
folding
plane
with
with
the
control,
plane
and
forwarding
plane,
would
be
in
the
5g
specifically
moving
forward.
We
would
we'd
not
only
see
a
trend
that
you
know,
forwarding
plane
would
be
much
more
simplified,
on-prem
and
rest
of
the
functions
could
be
ported
onto
the
cloud.
So
innovation
point
of
view
having
a
very
light
weight
system,
on-prem
and
rest
of
the
heavy
processing
could
be
done
in
the
cloud.
B
It's
very,
very
important
from
access
technology
point
of
view
having
agnostic
to
just
the
lte
or
cbrs
having
wi-fi,
as
well
as
other
systems
being
enabled
in
future
satellite.
Perhaps
leo
satellites
enables
us
to
do
things
faster,
because
some
of
the
stadiums
will
not
just
have
private
lte
or
cbrs,
they
will
have
wi-fi
existing
and
we
can't
we
will
have
to
work
in
a
retrofication
mode
or
we
will
have
to
work
in
a
brownfield
scenario
rather
than
just
rip
and
replace
mode.
So
this
this
is,
is
very,
very
innovative
solution
for
us.
A
Thank
you.
I'm
I'm
actually
fascinated
by
the
insight
that
you've
made
on
costs
that
it's
not
just
that
magma
is
available
as
a
free,
open
source
software
system
that
you
can
use
without
direct
cost,
but
the
impact
that
magma's
design
principles
have
on
on
the
cost
of
the
rest
of
the
products
that
you
run
it
on
the
product
or
platform,
agnostic
approach
and
the
open
interface
to
different
different
radio
vendors
and
radio
suppliers
has
on
that
total
cost
of
ownership.
A
A
D
You
see
my
starting
blocks
well,
a
lot
of
it
because
of
the
open
source
nature
is
actually
being
taken
care
of.
So
we
work
on
a
network
of
our
engineers.
We
have
engineers
that
we
hire,
but
we
also
have
a
huge
volunteer
corps
that
kind
of
help
us
figure
out
what's
happening
in
the
future,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
needed
actually
was
stability
and
support,
and
product
and
freedom
buy
actually
helped
a
lot
with
that
when
it
comes
to
the
wii.
D
D
You
know
we
have
clients
that
have
I
I
t
staff
of
a
couple
dozen
and
they
want
to
log
on
to
github
and
they
want
to
see
where
this
is
going
and
they
want
to
see
what
it's
about
and
see
its
guts
and
because
of
its
nature,
they
feel
like
they
get
to
know
the
system
more
so
than
the
proprietary
cores
out
there.
And
it's
funny.
D
I'm
here-
and
I
usually
one
of
the
things
that
often
happens-
is
that
there's
a
huge
sticker
shock
when
it
when
they
realize
how
easy
it
is
to
run
their
own
private
lte
network
and
the
cost
savings
that
they
have
and
the
flexibility
they
have
in
choosing
your
equipment
that
they're
not
beholden
to
cpes
that
necessarily
cost
seven
hundred
dollars.
I
know
they
can
buy
a
hundred
dollar
cpe
and
know
the
risks.
D
This
is
what's
been
huge,
the
transparency
so,
as
our
clients
grow,
they
can
see
what
you
know,
what
where
they
want
to
go,
and
it
helps
them
form
their
vision
and
the
now
commercial
pieces
that
are
surrounding
it,
so
that
they
can
also
do
the
handoff
where
they
want
to
do
the
handoff.
If
they
just
want
to
fund
office,
they
can
just
run
up
on
office.
D
A
E
I
mean
kind
of
build
off.
I
think
merrell's
key
point
is
the
support.
Obviously
you
know
it's
an
open
source.
You're
not
gonna,
have
with
the
traditional
vendor
right
that
level
of
different
tiered
support.
I
think
companies
like
freedom5
definitely
fill
in
a
lot
of
that
gap
and
void.
So
you
know
more.
I
think,
partners
like
that
are
helpful.
My
understanding
is
also
teams
also
looking
to
potentially
have
some
some
support,
like
sessions,
potentially
with
a
with
a
team.
E
So
I
think
things
like
that
would
definitely
help
the
more
you
know
more
commercialization
and
more
deployments
of
magma
for
sure,
because
that's
always
the
I
think,
the
the
most
skittish
point
that
you
know
most.
I
guess
operators
that
speak
with
you
know
whenever
they
have
with
magmas.
You
know:
what's
the
support
I'm
gonna
have,
if
I
have
an
outage,
who
do
I
reach
and
things
like
that,
but
yeah
that
transparency
is
also,
you
know
a
big
bonus.
You
know,
you
know
against
underside
they're
going
to
be
afraid.
E
You
know
coming
from
myself
being
on
vendor
side,
you
know
you're,
usually
usually
pretty
careful
on
providing.
You
know
what
the
actual
road
map
is,
because
things
can
change
and
you
try
not
to
you
know,
share
too
much
for,
for
you
know
certain
reasons.
You
know.
Obviously,
that's
more
of
the
open
source
nature
of
magma,
but
being
able
to
see
like
very
clearly
what
the
road
map
looks
like
you
know
what
everyone's
working
on
you
can
get.
E
You
know
up
to
the
the
day
status
and
you
know,
look
at
github
see
what
the
commits
are.
It's
it's.
You
know
that
is
very
refreshing.
I
think
for
for
a
number
of
people,
but
yeah
the
support
is,
you
know,
I
think
that's
really
the
key.
So
it
was
us,
you
know
if
we
have
a
decent
support
there.
I
think
that
that
would
probably
be
the
the
last
road
blocker.
I
think
that
some
might
have
with
magma
feature
wise.
E
You
know
make
my
actually
does
have
the
majority
of
at
least
much
of
the
operators
I'm
working
with.
I
already
support,
so
I
already
need
so
that
you
know
obviously
roadmap's
looking
good
to
add
more,
I
think
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
more
enterprise
type
applications
they're.
Looking
for
more
of
a
true
wi-fi
bridge-
and
you
know
to
support
something
like
that-
you
know
you
kind
of
need
like
a
another
layer
on
the
top
of
everything
to
truly
bridge
devices
behind
the
user
or
the
ue.
E
So
with
that,
you
know
vxlan
gre
protocols,
things
of
that
nature
are
kind
of
required.
My
understanding
was
work,
or
some
testing
is
being
done
in
that
area.
But
if
those
kind
of
protocols
can
be
supported
to
support
true
bridging
to
the
devices
behind
the
cpu
ue,
that's
going
to
open
up
all
the
enterprise
cases
for
sure.
A
F
I'll
make
a
point
in
terms
of
the
two
things
that
we're
working
on
now
with
magma
and
involving
sasha.
Two
he's
participating
in
is
is
what's
critical,
that
we
see
what
magnus
do
and
you
alluded
to
it
earlier.
Phil
is
in
terms
of
how
do
we
just
increase
the
capacity,
how
we
serve
the
underserved
and
how
do
we
make
the
existing
efficient?
F
So
the
two
initiatives
that
we're
working
on
is
one
is
a
schema
framework
actually
session
and
open
schema,
and
what
that
does.
Is
it?
Let
us
understand,
what's
going
on
the
network,
because
you
don't
know
necessarily
how
do
you
decide
where
to
put
your
assets
out
there?
If
you
don't
know,
essentially
what
the
the
challenges
are,
so
a
a
standardized
way
to
collect
data
from
the
ue
and
also
the
access
technologies.
F
The
devices
themselves
is
critical
component,
so
anybody
wants
to
participate
that
there's
a
magma
channel
on
slack,
it's
called
open
schema,
so
you
can
participate
in
that
activity.
The
other
one
that's
equally
excited
is
once
you
know
this
information
you
have.
That
is
how
do
we
harvest
all
this
capacity?
Like
I
said,
unlicensed
inspection,
the
majority
of
the
time
that
you
use
your
mobile
phone
wi-fi
is
around,
but
not
necessarily
use
so
there's
a
motivational
aspect
out,
but
there's
also
simplification.
How
do
we
make
it
simple
for
these
capacity
providers?
F
You
know
first
wi-fi,
but
eventually
it's
gonna
be
predominantly
private
lte
to
join
what
we
call
an
augmented
network,
so
we're
working
with
the
magnet
team
with
shaw
and
jenny
and
and
sasha,
and
some
other
partners
to
develop
a
smart
contract
based
on
augmented,
augmented
network
roaming
solution.
So
you
know:
there's
there's
around
750
billion
access
points
out
there.
So
how
do
we
harness
all
that
energy
to
reduce
the
cost
for
the
operators,
so
they
can
expand
in
serving
other
areas
or
providing
new
services.
C
C
A
A
But
one
of
the
difficulties
of
that
in
in
using
those
products
commercially
is
the
ability
to
support
those
those
activities
and
both
marielle
and
jesse
touched
on
the
value
that
having
freedom
fi
available
to
them
got
them
in
having
a
support
model
for
an
open
source
project.
Tell
me
your
thoughts
in
just
how
valuable
that
that
independent
support
model
that
you're
building
is
in
building
that
dynamic
community
that
lets
magma
as
a
whole
be
more
successful.
C
G
G
However,
the
cost
efficiency
and
the
many
pluses
only
come
out.
If
you
know
there
is
a
a
way
to
kind
of
a
package
and
consistently
kind
of
commercialize
and
support
the
project.
So
I
guess,
let
me
just
try
to
rephrase
it
if
any
one
of
the
organizations
presenting
here
wanted
to
go
and
use
magma,
and
there
were
nobody
in
the
ecosystem
that
could
provide
a
kind
of
a
supported
commercial
version
of
it.
G
So
this
way
on
one
hand,
you
kind
of
you
know,
leverage
the
community
contribution
to
the
r
d
and
development
and
the
open
roadmap
side
of
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
it's
pre-packaged
in
such
a
way
that
you
know
it's
fairly
straightforward
to
use,
for
you
know
anybody
who's
trying
to
take
advantage
of
it.
So-
and
this
is
specifically
a
kind
of
you
know
the
journey
that
we're
on
at
freedom
fight
today,
and
I
would
say
that
you
know
we're.
G
A
Well
that
we're
at
time
we're
actually
a
little
bit
over
our
time.
So
I
want
to
thank
our
panelists
for
coming
and
sharing
this
diverse
view
of
how
a
product
like
magma
can
impact
communities
can
support
the
growth
of
business
and
can
enable
new
and
novel
technology
uses
within
the
telecom
community.