Cloud Native Computing Foundation Network Function Working Group, 6 Feb 2023

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Hello, Lucina and Oliver good morning.

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Hi Victor, how are you good.

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Good yeah, very first of the week.

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Yeah exactly exactly foreign.

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Good morning,.

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Hello, everyone.

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All right I did not. It is time to start um foreign.

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Also make sure to put it in agenda.

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So probably the first item in the agenda is about the cloud native calculator, so um yeah, probably the major announcement is like the the cfp was extended to February 12th. So if you have any particular um topic or anything that you want to expose or share with others, um we you still have time to to propose it. um It's a great it's a great way to to share with others and and also learn from from that so I don't know um anything else that I just miss it or um you've.

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Seen anything that you want to add.

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Yeah that sounds good. um There are nine different tracks for Telco day to encourage a wide variety of topics and speakers from different Telco verticals. The newest ones, for this Cloud native Telco day include sustainability in Telco. So if you're Elco has environmental sustainability goals would like to share the challenges and the plan.

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That is a new track. Another new track is telecom operator expectations and vision of cloud native.

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How operators expect to run networks with dnfs Cloud native Network functions, fans and their new track is production and Commercial launches of cnfs, so as Cloud native PSPs move forward in their Journey using kubernetes and other Cloud native tools, things are maybe going into real world production, so we'd love to hear use cases and experience with that.

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In addition to existing tracks, like Cloud native best practices, networking applications, which is group focuses on developing and testing Cloud native Network functions.

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How people are using Telco services in the cloud native way, networking and kubernetes sharing approaches and challenges, integrating helpful applications with kubernetes and existing Network environments, they're also interested in seeing observability resilience, service, availability and Telco environment if anyone's using multi-cloud or hybrid cloud Elko use cases and experiences are we're interested to hear about that too? So it will be a half day event, and so, if we get a variety of csps, then hopefully we can have a program that is well-rounded.

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Yeah the other team is like this is only um on in-person event, so there's not going to be a chance to to watch all these sessions remotely so.

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In person, real-time aspect aspect that the events team is really good at putting the content on YouTube within 24 to 48 hours, so it will be available to view, but if you're able to travel to Amsterdam, if your company doesn't have any travel freezes and it's safe to travel, to keep on your.

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The coupon now has a all access in-person ticket that provides access to kubecon, as well as all cncs co-hosted. Co-Located events.

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um So if you do plan to go through coupon in person.

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Be able to submit a safety for tell coding.

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Great, so any any question any comment, any anything about the alternative day.

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All right, if there is now any question about it, um the other team is regarding the common events. um Probably the most closest is um the elephant developer testing Forum, which is going to be virtual and free.

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So you can you can access to that, and there are a few few interesting topics there, which I encouraged to take a look at them.

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um The others are here I'm showing that screen. um We just mentioned about um also the clothing, um the open source Summit. um So.

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Anyone interesting on going on any of these events.

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So probably we can jump just jump to the to the PRS and it's costs. uh What we have open.

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Okay, um I just opened this PR, um it's quite simple, just fixing a few things, especially the linking issues.

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um As far as I remember, someone was reporting. Probably the major thing it's like um this, which is not was a typo, was more like a fixing, a definition.

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So we have uh versus Rowling and forwarding, which is we were just missing. The Dan makes a totally different and the other thing is uh talks, just change the the way to pass the environment variables I, just instead of why spaces are using commas.

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And the lender was complaining about the the headers, um given that we were mixing the headers I had to just to change it to to be consistent using uh the same the same, the same format, a few I guess the other are just few uh missing words other than that are I. Think yeah, it's it's quite straightforward, um so I don't know if we can just merge it or like, uh or someone has any any in your opposition to this. uh His change.

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No opposition from me I'm happy I'm, happy to approve it. If I can.

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Yeah, likewise,.

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Let me just speak there into the chat. The.

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I think that we have some news- probably the latest one- was this one um better. Do you want to mention about this one or just give an overview? I mean this is just mainly to to move the location of the files right you want just to put in there yeah.

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Just to make it um where we have a consistent place to go, I mean no pull requests yet, but is anyone have any thoughts on that?

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Them to do the work, but.

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They used to put user stories and user cases under without folder right. Everything under that directories.

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Yeah, um okay, yeah go ahead.

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No, no I I just tried to display these. uh What are the the cvpp is uh something that yeah.

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I think I added that one um after as well I just didn't put a link to it, move best practice folder. That would be the CBP piece.

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Okay and it seems like we have a volunteer so um yeah, probably we need to help them help him to to make sure that he understands that what he has to do and all these things.

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Yeah um moves the folder, and then we probably want some sub test saying update all the links.

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Oh that's right! Yeah because probably we have some cross-referencing internally yeah.

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I mean if it's I guess, if it's going to be, you know just someone random, that's taking it which, when you, when you add the good first issue tag, then there's people that are just searching for this and that's probably how they found it.

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um It might be good to split it out, but we could. We could just see as long as we add the tech you know the foreign. This is just moving. The folders We need to say, move them and then update the links. I'll go add that to the issue.

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Realize the subject business has a misspelling fixer.

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Yeah, the other thing that I was thinking is how I don't know how much time we can give him to respond to this I mean this.

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um Definitely any any help on this is appreciated, but uh we don't have to rely too much on, but I'm probably I was just thinking, maybe like giving a chance to like one or two weeks. If he's not responding, probably I'm gonna sign in and try to find another volunteer, but yeah it's it's just, let's give it a chance. Pearson, let's see how he responds it's too, it's too early to make conclusions for now, as.

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Soon, as we feel like it, then we can do it if he's done it by then then that's fine, that's how I say it.

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Well, whenever that is, we got other things to work on right now. This is a little priority, but.

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Yeah, that's right all right.

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um How's that for the is there anything else for I added to that ticket and go back in it.

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Yeah good enough.

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I think it's much much better uh I like it.

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I mean other links outside of the repo will, you know not work, but we can only deal with what we know about sorry, I. Think, okay,.

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Let's, let's move on to the to the next one, um so I think this. This seems to be that we can just start into start, creating like kind of a trap for for this one.

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um The last time that I checked in the the glossary- and they have another terms like uh like non-trivial terms, like I, think it did Ops or yeah like devops. That's a cops and Edge Computing. So so I think it's it's. It's a good time to start thinking about tnf us a new term in the glossary.

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um Probably yeah, I know that there is a lot of discussion. What is as you can have, and how can, especially from the starting point like um some some consider, like CNF as a container Network function, another let's say like a cloud native Network function, but whatever like we, we consider that is a proper definition. I think that we have to start the discussion, probably here, um proposing something and maybe receiving feedback from from that point, instead of like trying to get a consensus between us. um What's.

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Under Edge computing.

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Yeah, it's computing all right, yeah! That's that's, usually the template that they are following. uh They split the term in in, like three main paragraphs.

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I didn't know if this was a category or a just a term, so everything on the left is a term. Yes, yes, okay,.

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There are few which are not like following this. uh Currently, let me see if I found like a a good one, for example. This is like more like a property.

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So yeah and they have some special tags. uh Let me see if I.

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So internally, what they have is uh we were seeing H right.

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So in the age they have like Visa resection um and they explained like a different categories. Technology or um let me see if I went home, another one Computing could be concept and they have some special attacks like um so they are using those things to group uh the concepts and everything in the in certain areas um and also they have well. Let me go back and different styles, so I think only this.

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The terms which are in convenience status are going to be displayed in the in the web page, but you can submit others under um feedback appreciated uh status. uh Let me see if I can copy find something in that category.

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I, don't know it's going to be hard to yeah. All of these things are.

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Yeah, probably it's going to be hard to find you just want to pull in under that particular session, but um yeah. We can also use data status like submitting something like a draft and and looking for feedback and try to move from from that point.

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So probably gonna start collecting that information and do the proposal if you wanna uh so so. What do you think do you.

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Think sure I mean we have I think a pretty good definition already that we can put forward for cloud native Network function and then, if you go into go to their glossary, they have a cloud native apps.

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On the you can go to.

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Yep um yeah, it's.

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Another concept first.

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Foreign that one's pretty minimal they had something else, but um I was trying to think. If you can reference existing terms, then that can be good to tie everything together, which is what we've done somewhat with the cloud native Network function.

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But our definition of cognitive applications is a little bit more expansive than what this is.

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Yeah, the other thing is, we have to think about this particular answers to uh what questions to answer right, the the problem that we are trying to address and try to simplify that explanation.

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And I have seen like others, especially.

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Yeah upscaling yeah, for example. This has a definition, is a property, but it's referring to other terms like horizontal or virtual scaling, um but I I think that in our case, uh it's more like a it's, not a property. It's like more, like a I, don't know which has a. There are three two questions.

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Yeah, but probably just starting the submitting that concept here, maybe we can just initiate the discussion and the good thing is like they can help us to um just simplify the concept. Maybe I mean some of them are Technical and contributors. So in terms like Emerson the concepts um but others are like, especially like Catherine. He she's like uh she has a marketing background.

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So it's going to be nice to have non-technical uh point of view of or definition.

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And obviously this is going.

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To be true seems like a good effort, yeah I like the idea of working on some of this, um does it anyone have um can. Can you go back to the issue Victor this.

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Yeah, let's go ahead and maybe in the comments we can add some ideas for.

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Terms that we want to Define Maybe but well I, guess you have definition, CNF definition, I is there any other ones that we want to put in here suggest.

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Other one that I was.

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Thinking is service management. Yes, is here if I remember correctly. Yes, it was nice here.

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Are you thinking of the mesh or the the the end points um something about? What are you thinking about for that.

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Well, just just in general I mean I, guess probably this is good enough. Does it think that we can start thinking is uh checking or reviewing the the existing best practices and all the documents in the in all the documentation that we have try to find some terms of? We have the final, probably exporting.

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Anyway, uh Oliver Tom.

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Okay, Tom had to drop.

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Good night.

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All right, let's I guess we can come back to this one. If, um unless Oliver you had anything or anybody else to add yeah.

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Nothing to add all.

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Tom credits issue.

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In December.

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So the thing that everything is still under discussion here uh so I, don't know if Tom has had something or modifier from.

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Yeah because I personally remember he he was still working in this particular graph, so probably he's on he's still on.

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What else uh this seems to be also has some time, but probably we haven't discuss it or like.

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Things in in this particular proposal and.

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Maybe the the only one which could be interesting is like this one, but I haven't heard anything from Gregory and and Watson. So.

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Should we just continue doing that discussion or start proceeding with the creation of the the draft for for these best practice,.

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uh I I think I mean I, see where you're going Victor I think I mean as far as trying to push it forward, but it would be good to hear back from yeah I didn't you know whether that's Watson or only uh gergy, but it would be interesting to hear um I mean I have asked internally within you know in terms you know in Matrix as well just to sort of get the views.

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You know- and there are a lot of discussions on this topic uh as well so um and related to sort of the right level of granularity. If you will in per per my you know, per container or you know, for microservices, but um yeah I don't know I, guess it would at least just be good to see get back. You know to the response that you that you had written um before moving forward, but other than that um I understood Taylor's point last time too I mean best practices.

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You know you may step away from some of them. I, obviously I think we should encourage people or not encourage them. I should we're, hopefully the best practices align well. They won't always lie to everyone. So I get that point.

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Is interesting and it's also kind of controversial, so you.

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Have to find it.

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Yeah I mean I, think that would be.

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Well, I, don't know I mean. Maybe this is a stupid comment, but I think in some ways we're looking at you know: Cloud native Network, you know applications functions whatever you want to in whatever term we want to use there. um I would think that some of that would also Drive some Evolution or some change or some you know, maybe some differences that you know exist to what has existed in the past.

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Otherwise that would basically suggest there's no challenges that you know for for for the particular error that we're looking at um so I don't know.

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Yeah also, uh maybe the best practice is not to for and to not to use this particular approach, probably, um but it would be nice to have strong arguments to not following that. I mean I like what Gregory was uh saying, like probably in terms of performance and all these things, but but if, if this is affecting the performance, just show me the numbers like okay or at least a simple use case where anyone can experiment and say well, yeah, that's true, yeah.

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Okay, yeah I I mean this is a I think you've brought up a good point here too I mean this. You know, I I, don't know how other people, maybe people can talk to all these topics, but I know that you know for myself.

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um There are times when I can bring someone who I think is more relevant. You know, or has some more experiences to to share with the group, but I don't know when those are going to be. You know, don't necessarily know when they'll be discussed. So, for example, if we wanted to say you know next next Monday we want to have a conversation on this particular item. I can look and see if I, if I have someone I think that could maybe bring something to the to the conversation right.

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um If it's not me, yeah um and you know pres or you know, comments Pro, you know for or against right and to your point, just that's I think that we're looking for is trying to understand.

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You know different difference of opinions and as then you know what what are we backing it up with? Do we have any do we have any facts.

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Yeah otherwise I mean the the styling here could be like I'm I. Don't know like like a.

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This proposal uh so but yeah any any, anyone that you know can provide any uh interesting point or anything here is very valuable in terms like starting the discussion and or like.

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Not continuing.

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The discussion because the discussion had been started so yeah try to try to encourage anyone to to to help on this discussion. I mean any any particular comment or is is valuable, uh so the main idea is to provide a best practice and be nice to have all the different perspectives and point of views. So absolutely.

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Do you remember this one Taylor, um it seems to be something that is easy, easy to do it or.

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I I, don't remember why we he's going to be honest.

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It was just like.

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So go ahead and go open it. It's probably easier after saying this, the merging the final paragraphs, um current Focus Etc. So let's go over.

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It's so that yeah we've we actually did clean it up. um What what does it say? Well now, I can't see because it says three days ago, um if you, when in the history I think we did this a couple of months ago. um We did something to clean it up and remove a few things, but the.

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Test Suite is mentioned at the start and then there's a paragraph at the bottom, so that that was really just for readability. Readability, there's some redundancy and stuff that could be adjusted.

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In in this particular section right.

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What's that no.

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No I was just saying that there redundancies in this in this particular section right.

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Yeah so that last sentence of the first paragraph and then I don't know it's I. The whole thing could just be cleaned up and make sure that we're.

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Clear about our is our purpose still aligned- or we put you know, one of the things we did was make that best practice for CNF Developers. We added that made sure that it was visible quickly in the readme at the top. Okay, that's all.

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Do you think that we should add a good first issue to this, and probably the things needed for for the issue? Like probably, we can have some fresh eyes on this and give us an.

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I think it'd be harder to have it as a first issue. With that more content, um the.

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There's also the concepts and like Mission, whatever all the different things that we're thinking about for this, that you wouldn't have context it's harder to put that sort of thing out, I think as a first issue. If there's a specific item that doesn't require as much context or we can describe it explicitly, then you can make it a tag it as a good first issue.

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I think that one's something for us, internal, though, and and more of if it's a kind of a lower.

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Priority maintenance item that we need to get around to, but not there's other issues, I think that are more important to focus our time on.

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I think is it still.

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I'm, just trying to remember about these uh remember they'll, be great I mean one of the sessions. uh You know trying to remember like.

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Yeah these, this was something where, when we were like modifying the structure of the the template or.

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So it is, it is not done, it seems like it is on right.

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Because you know do.

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You know and to the to oh okay is so we don't have. Can you go open? The add to the table of contents. I think that's for the CNF Dev best practices.

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Under yeah yeah go down to the bottom dock.

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Best practices process, MD.

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But this doesn't have like the security. Oh.

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um huh Oh Adam to the table of contents consider the best practice proposal. I, don't know where was this supposed to be this? You know we're add the list of the scene of best practices process to publish. Oh it's under docs. This is more of the confusion.

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But it is here right.

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Oh it's there. So this issue is done or not. Lucina.

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Oh, it's completed.

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We should just close it right, yep.

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Yeah, we could do one um all right, uh any other issue to discuss. We still have 15 minutes, but I don't know if we have anything else to discuss or any particular um topic.

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um No, maybe next time hear about the Nephi of them.

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Oh yeah yeah yeah that that's right.

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I didn't quite catch that what did you say, Taylor nephew? What were you saying about nephew.

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We can have that as a topic for maybe next week. Oh okay, gotcha.

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I'm by the way, uh regarding nephew that, um given that we also mentioned about the the next coming event, um yeah they're, going to there's a lot of people, adding topics in in you know: elephant developerative testing Forum. So one of those are matching.

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All right um well, if that is everything that we have in the agenda, and there is not anything else to discuss in the meeting that we can just conclude. It.

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So all right thanks. Everyone thanks.

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Victor, thank you Victor. Why see you next week.