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From YouTube: CNCF CNF WG Meeting - 2023-01-23
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Don't miss out! Join us at our upcoming event: KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe in Amsterdam, The Netherlands from 18 - 21 April, 2023. Learn more at https://kubecon.io The conference features presentations from developers and end users of Kubernetes, Prometheus, Envoy, and all of the other CNCF-hosted projects.
A
A
Give
it
a
couple
more
minutes,
see
who
else
will
join.
A
B
A
So
Cloud
native
Telco
day
is
happening
was
approved
and
cfps
are
currently
open.
A
I'm
gonna
get
in
we're
also
still
looking
for
sponsorships
for
that
which
will
help
with
various
activities
there,
as
well
as
ongoing
for
the
event.
So,
if
you
don't
know,
anyone
would
be
interested,
there's
stuff
like
batches
and
the
lunch
as
well.
Besides,
the
overall
sponsors
you
can
come
in
at
different
levels
will
be
highlighted.
A
A
C
Well,
I,
even
though
you
you
mentioned
the
open
source
Summit
in
North,
America,
I,
guess
the
open
source
Summit
Europe.
It's
also
publishing
the
website.
I
just
need
to
watch
when
are
the
dates
but
yeah
it
is
there
all.
E
E
A
Are
you
attending
yourself
or
know
that
anything
from
I
guess
your
the
group?
That's
more
Telecom
focused
anybody
go
into
any
other
events,
but
you
think
may
be
relevant
for
us
to
take
a
look
at.
E
C
Thank
you.
No,
in
my
case,
I
still
need
to
discussed
with
my
manager
and
see
if
their
proof
I
mean
business
travel.
So.
E
Not
yet,
if
you're
waiting,
you're
doing
the
planning
doing
these
days.
A
I
mean,
besides
the
tube
kind.
You
know:
click
coupon,
Cloud
native
Telco
day.
We
we
want
to
meet
with
as
much
folks
and
try
to.
A
Get
people
engaged
in
conversation
started
for
the
EU.
We
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
that,
the
the
folks
that
we've
been
working
with
that
are
involved
with
say,
Silva
and
other
stuff
that
I
think
the
EU
side
is
going
to
be,
at
least
with
some
travel
restrictions
and
stuff
that,
like
you're
you're
dealing
with
that
we've
seen
and
they
weren't
able
to
come
to
the
North
America
I
think
the
EU
is
going
to
be
a
big
deal,
but
connected
America
would
be
an
interesting
one.
A
It
seems
like
the
type
of
work.
There,
though,
is
longer
term
related
to
like
government
stuff.
There's
all
the
regulations
and
everything
else
I
think
there's
overlap
there
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
we
would
approach
it,
but
I
I
think
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
do
here
with
regard
to
security
and
other
stuff
that
can
tie
in
with
compliance
could
go
into
conversations
there.
A
Mwc
Barcelona
would
be
great,
but
that
one's
a
harder
one
to
deal
with
this
big
five
I
think
would
be
another
one
that
were
seriously
considering
there's
so
many
events.
You
know
you
got
to
decide
if,
if
you're
not
going
to
all
of
them,
you
know
trying
to
cut
and
which
we're
not
then
cut
it
down.
So
any
insight
into
this.
A
There
seems
to
be
from
the
conversations
that
we've
had
with
folks,
including
people
that
have
contributed
into
the
you
know
the
different
Community
efforts
like
the
working
group
and
the
test
suite
and
stuff
mwc
Barcelona
seems
to
be
where
more
of
them
are
going
to
be
for
sure
versus
mwc.
America
Americas
is
a
maybe
for
some
but
I.
Think
for
us.
The
Americas
is
more
likely
to
be
a
place
to
be
able
to
plan
out
to
thank
you.
C
Well,
in
terms
like
attend
this
they're,
giving
the
option
to
be
virtual,
so
I
mean
having
a
hybrid
conferences,
the
sparkle
two
ages,
so
yeah.
Normally
people
are
going
to
try
to
review
some
some
cost
and
and
just
attend
virtually
the
the
only
opens
are
some
that
I
have
attended
in
person
was
without
nothing.
C
C
That's
that's
my
point
of
view
about
open
source
Summit
in
general.
Thank
you
regarding
the
cloud
native
talk
today.
I
think
it's
great
I
hope
you
have
the
space
I,
don't
know
he's
he's.
I
I
know
that
Joe
Bella
mentioned
a
couple
of
things
in
his
Twitter
account
about
Playstation
keys
and
all
these
things
and
I
don't
know
if
the
cncf
has
change
or
did
something
regarding
that
there
are
not
those
particular
appreciation
fees
so.
C
Yeah
yeah
I'm
I
would
like
to
see
more
like
more
than
half
of
a
day,
but
the
things
are
that
they
were
they
the
way
they
are
so
and
also
trying
to
encourage
the
nephew
Community
to
participate
in
in
those
events.
I
guess
we
awesome
to
see
more
nephew,
Rivera
stuff
and
trying
to
understand
a
little
more.
What
naturally,
is
bringing
into
the
equation.
C
C
So
that's
why
I'm,
trying
to
I
mean
I
I'm,
pushing
Hardware
to
speak,
speaks
more
about
Matthew,
I
I
think
that
they
are
going
to
do
it
because
they're
looking
for
spaces
where
they
can
announce
and
share
what
they
have
been
doing
so
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
someone
is
going
to
submit
something
soon,
because
even
they
consider
NWC
in
Barcelona
as
a
way
to
meet
up
the
community,
but
unfortunately
the
feedback
or
like
the
number
of
responses
that
they
got
it
for
slow.
C
So
so
it
seems
like
keep
going,
could
be
the
best
way
to
to
meet
up
the
community.
A
I'd
like
to
think
about
maybe
discuss
a
something:
that's
structured,
talk
or
event.
That
brings
folks
together.
We
did
have
years
ago.
There
was
a
CNF
working
group
talk
where
we
ended
up
with
quite
a
few
people,
and
it
was
like
a
half
day
or
multi-hour
type
of
thing,
and
maybe
because
it
wasn't
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
one
of
them
went
pretty
well,
where
there's
a
lot
of
discussions
and
one
of
them
ended
up,
even
though
it's
supposed
to
be
more
structured,
I
think
part
of
it.
We
had
folks
running
over
time.
A
Ideally,
the
cloud
native
tokade
would
be
a
place
where
we
can
get
an
fio
and
Silva
and
other
folks,
all
in
and
I
think
there
was
someone
that
was
interested
in
submitting
for
a
Silva
talk
at
Cloud
native
Toca
day.
I.
Think
I
heard
that
some
last
week,
maybe
so,
ideally
we
could
have
that,
but
maybe
we
need.
A
A
It
seems
like
there
needs
to
be
a
focus
to
have
the
conversation
and
it
doesn't
end
up
either
people
that
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
about.
Don't
care
to
spend
time
or
it
can
go
all
over.
But
some
a
some
Focus
point
that
everyone's
interested
in
the
networking
Sig
multi-network
those
sessions
set.
Kubecon
I
think
they
went
pretty
well
as
far
as
bringing
in
a
lot
of
folks
that
weren't
normally
part
of
just
the
Sig
multi-network.
A
Here's
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
about
this
and
how
it
can
impact
or
whatever
I
think
that
could
be
positive
and
maybe,
with
a
goal
of
you,
know,
figure
out.
What
is
the
goal?
What
what
are
we
going
to
take
from
this
and
then
you
know,
go
and
do
and
Victor.
That
could
be
something
at
least
if
we're
going
to
drive
it
from
the
the
working
groups
side,
then
maybe
something
that
we
would
take
on
with
Tom
to
think
about.
A
A
A
What
is
the
target
thing
that
would
have
that
real
value
for
the
different
communities
or
the
members
specifically
that
are
involved
in
those
communities?
You
know
vendors
going
to
say
hey.
This
is
an
outcome
as
important
to
me.
So
I
want
to
be
involved
in
the
conversation
service
provider.
Same
thing.
C
One
of
the
topics
that
tell
is
have
been,
lastly,
discussed
about
the
the
natural
communities
about
the
The
Operators.
It
has
provided
a
lot
of
material
and
chair
she's,
a
point
of
view
and
things
like
that.
So
not
sure
if
that
could
be
or
not
so
a
good
starting
point,
I
mean
operators
are
great
like
they.
C
The
the
argument
that
Talis
is
mentioning
like
yeah
operates
are
great
for
certain
cases,
but
in
order
to
to
make
them
more
accessible
or
like
easier
to
implement
or
easy
to
implement
in
a
correct
way,
it's
very
hard
so
he's
proposing
new
ideas
and
different
ways
to
implement
all
of
them,
not
using
operator
framework
just
like
not
using
another
out
of
the
standard
methods
so
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
could
be
also
a
good
topic
or
thing
to
bring
as
a
point
to
this
course
like
like
how
they,
the
Telecom
operators,
have
been
approaching
the
develop
of
these
are
units
operators,
then
they
have
best
practices
or
takeaways,
or
things
like
that.
C
Because
it
also
is
like
an
essential
part
of
nephew
nephew
relies
too
much
on
those
operators,
one
of
the
ways
to
Implement
tnf,
so.
D
A
Put
out
now
and
again
Victor
if
you're
up
for
it,
I'd
like
to
talk
more
about
this
and
kind
of
look
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
time
also
to
just
plan.
What
are
we
doing
in
the
working
group
for
the
year
but
schedule
some
time?
Does
anyone
else
have
any
input,
thoughts.
B
Have
anything
at
the
moment,
nothing
to
add.
A
Presence
at
for
a
cloth
night
of
Telco
day.
B
Good
question:
let
me
do
this
I'll.
Take
that
as
an
action
I
can
bring
that
up.
We
meet
on
Monday,
so
unfortunately
it
won't
be
until
next.
Next
meeting
next
meeting
but
I
can
ask
about.
If
there's
anyone
going
to
be
part
of
that,
I,
unfortunately
will
not
be
joining
the
this.
We
do
have
some
travel
restrictions.
A
All
right,
what
about
any
of
the
other
events
Oliver
like
connected
America
I,
feel
like
that
might
be
North
Central
I
can't
remember:
big
five
is
going
to
be
in
Austin.
That's
all
the
way
out
in
May,
but
thinking
about
it
ahead
of
time
is
easier
with
the
travel
restrictions.
D
B
Yeah
I
mean
essentially
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
it's
it's
all
the
semantics,
but
I
mean
we
don't
have
a
heart.
We
don't
have
a
hard
travel
restriction,
it's
more
where
you
know
we're
making
choices
right
so
yeah,
so
I
I
mean
I.
Think,
for
example,
let's
see
here
it's
a
little
bit
further
down
there,
maybe
on
the
list.
B
But
if
there
is
a
cloud
native
Toco
day
for
North
America,
then
you
know
that
is
most
likely
going
to
you'll
see
at
least
myself
there,
but
I
mean
Matrix
is
definitely
going
to
be
a
Mobile
World
Congress,
but
I
will
not
be
there.
A
A
A
All
right
take
a
look
at
the
explore
Quest.
Well,
this
one
is
very
old.
It's
the
only
one
am
I
in
the
right
one:
yeah,
okay,
working
great.
A
A
C
Yeah,
just
playing
a
new
format
which
is
more
readable,
I
guess.
D
C
You,
if
you
go
to
the
file
change
it,
you
can
see
your
if
you
clicking
the
file
view
or.
A
A
A
A
Sure
I've
looked
at
so
many
of
those
diffs
I
just
didn't
even
think
about
it.
Let's
see
it's
interesting,
it's
not
giving
the
option
for
the.
A
E
A
This
isn't
a
template
type
that
looks
pretty
nice.
A
Well,
let's
get
to
May
foreign.
A
C
A
All
right
well
be
nice,
if
maybe
gurga
can
join
us
in
the
future.
A
Be
speaking
with
gergeson
I
guess
they
had
had
some
messages,
and
so
maybe
just
having
a
call
to
dig
in
further
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
microservice
paper,
Cloud
native
microservices,
related
for
Telco,
stuff
and
I
think
General
Cloud
negative
usage
that
either
gone
out
or
going
out
Lucinda.
Do
you
recall
if
if
that
was
published
or
is
it
being
published,
the
microservice
paper.
A
All
right
so
I
know
he
was
planning
on
talking
and
there'd
probably
be
content
to
put
in
here
over
that.
But
do
you
do
you
want
to
talk
about
this
at
all
right
now
or
hold
off
until
gurga
or
someone
can
join
us.
C
You're
talking
to
me,
yeah
well,
I
just
want
to
mention,
like
I
I,
try
to
invest
it
even
more
the
results
behind
that
I
found
in
13
information.
So
obviously
there
is
like,
like
because
I
really
was
mentioned
about
performance
impact,
on
on
having
some
scenarios
where
you
can
be
affected,
having
just
one
process
per
container
and
is
using
certain
resources.
C
So
so
I
invest
here
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
there's
no
I
couldn't
find
any
any
place
actually
in
some
places
I
found
like
they
were
not
prohibiting
to
have
multiple
processes
per
container.
So
basically
the
only
strong
argument
to
to
run
multiple
processes
or
using
a
process
manager
inside
of
the
container
so-
and
there
are
multiple
tools
to
achieve
that.
So
so
I
don't
know
if
we
should
have
changed
the
the
the
proposal
like
like
saying.
C
Well,
obviously,
it's
much
better
to
deal
with
a
single
process
in
terms
like
a
log
trace
the
tracing
logs,
and
you
would
see
more
one
thing
you
know.
Actually,
the
principle
is
is
name
it
as
a
one
single
concern
like
so.
The
only
thing
that
you
have
to
concerning
one
in
the
container
is
one
single
process
and
that's
easier
to
manage
and
troubleshoot
and
everything.
C
But
if,
for
some
reason
you
have
to
do
it,
you
have
to
make
sure
that
the
the
entry
point
is
pointing
to
a
con,
a
container
manager
who
can
properly
propagate
the
signals
to
The
Container
runtime.
C
So
so
that
was
my
investigation,
so
but
I
I
couldn't
find
any
other
disadvantage
like
performance
or
he's
using
resources
or
anything
like
that.
A
A
Experienced
Community
everything
else
saying
here
is
what
we
think
is
the
guideline
for
that.
Not
that
there's
other
cases
and
I
think
that
distinction
is
important.
We
have
a
lot
of
times
where
the
conversations
can
get
stuck
on
the
my
minority
as
cases
edge
cases
and
everything
else
versus
what
are
Best
Practices
the
default.
A
A
Which
is
related
to
microservices,
and
that
concept
is
very
very
way
older
than
openstack
and
kubernetes
and
virtualization.
Unless
you
go
back
and
start
thinking
of
like
actually
where,
where
did
virtualization
come
from
and
the
VMS
and
stuff
on
hardware,
and
even
there,
you
actually
did
a
lot
of
separation
of
what
you're
doing
for
control
it
just
tied
into
physical
parts
of
the
system
so
anyways.
A
A
So
when
you're
looking
at
using
supervisors
and
stuff,
yes,
you
can
do
do
it
and
you
can
start
having
multiple
process
and
doing
it
well,
but
you're
not
having
separation
of
that
behavior
and
what
what
each
service
is
gonna
maintain
and
not
that
it's
not
you
turn
out
performance
is
required
or
whatever
else
it
may
be.
That
says
well
in
this
case,
we
need
it,
but
it's
the
in
general
case
you
can
use
a
supervisor
and
still
have
one
process
type.
C
Actually,
actually,
the
second
paragraph,
it's
talking
a
little
bit
about
that
case.
I
mean
I
found
in
that
in
the
link
yeah.
If
you
click
in
the
trivial
yeah
that
link,
it
is
giving
an
example
of
one
app
which
is
having
just
it
was
contaminated,
but
it
was
not
propagating
the
the
signaling.
A
So
then,
it's
not
handling
properly
diagnosed
properly.
So
one
of
the
things
that's
occurring
right
now,
as
far
as
in
the
test
Suite,
which
and
related
to
write-ups
for
I.
Think
more
in-depth
technical
papers
is
related
to
this
around
handling
different
signals
and
stuff,
and
we're
looking
at
being
able
to
test
the
individual
ones.
I
don't
know
if
those
would
make
it
specifically
into
like
Essential,
Best
Practices,
but
definitely
part
of
the
whole
tool
set.
A
Where
you
say
we
don't
have
a
single
process
type,
but
all
of
our
processes
that
are
running
handle
signals
correctly
or
we
do
have
a
single
process
type
and
we
handle
this
correctly,
but
not
these
others.
So
there's
a
larger
Suite
of
things
that
we're
checking
for-
and
this
will
definitely
be
part
of
it.
Sig
tournament
said-
kill
specifically.
C
A
Yeah,
how
do
you
determine
if
a
container
is
actually
alive
versus
a
zombie
container.
D
A
I
I
think
that
would
be
related
to
another
effort.
That's
happening
around
some
more
in-depth
testing.
One
of
the
efforts
is
around
using
lib,
pcap
and
rape,
doing
replays
of
network
traffic
and
ideally
from
from
the
test.
Suite
side
there
will
be
some
way
of
there
will
be
a
a
hook
and
some
way
of
dropping
in
traffic
to
send
a
little
bit
more
advanced
traffic
into
a
CNF
than
what
might
be
tested
with
the
liveliness
and
Readiness.
A
Potentially,
you
could
have
a
CNF
respond
to
life,
loveliness
and
readiness
tests
that
make
it
seem
that
the
CNF
is
okay,
at
least
to
the
kubernetes,
for
not
throwing
the
container
away
and
starting
a
new
one
and,
and
yet
the
CNF
is
actually
maybe
has
a
process,
that's
running
as
a
zombie
or
something
because
of
signals
handling
improperly
so
having
a
way
to
run
real
traffic.
A
A
Handling
versus
having
something
around
like
having
this
container
should
have
one
process
type
I
mean
that
this
is
related
for
sure,
and
you
know.
A
I'm
thinking
of
12,
Factor
apps
and
where
things
are,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
under
this.
Let's
look
at
like
this
one.
A
This
is
a
pretty
it's
it's
not
as
detailed
out
like
this
isn't
talking
about
signal
handling,
but
there's
going
to
be
when
we're
talking
about
the
processes
and
running
these
as
stateless
okay,.
A
C
Also,
give
that
to
I
was
just
saying
that
yeah
that
also
opens
they're
supposedly
to
run
one
or
more
things
from
the
beginning.
It's
not
limiting
single
one
process.
A
A
A
A
Thanks
for
the
the
link
there
Lucina
and
it's
whenever
that's
ready
for
public
consumption,
I'll
be
published
there,
but
we'll
bring
that
over
as
well.
All
right,
we're
I,
think
we're
close
enough
to
time.
Does
anybody
have
anything
else
or
we
can
stop
here
and
then
we're
going
to
come
back.