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From YouTube: Network Service Mesh WG Meeting - 2018-08-10
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A
A
D
B
A
E
Well,
I
guess:
I'll
throw
something
out
there.
So
I
see
I
see
John
on
the
call.
There
was
one
item
that
came
out
of
my
review
of
John's
PR
247.
So
all
I'll
add
that
to
the
agenda
it
was
John.
This
was
the
item
of,
like
you
know
it
kind
of
entry,
verses
out
of
three
plugins
and
and
if
their
entry,
the
directory
structure
you
proposed
I
thought
we
should
discuss
that
as
a
broader
team.
Yeah.
C
E
A
A
A
E
That
was
that
was
me,
so
I'm
definitely
happy
to
discuss
so
so
this,
so
one
thing
that
I've
noticed
over
the
last
couple
of
months
is
a
lot
of
times.
Well,
I'm,
basically,
are
the
art
of
our
dependencies
end
up
being
out
of
date
fairly
frequently
and
I
noticed
this.
When
you
know
I
want
to
go
and
specifically
update
a
dependency
and
I'll
do
def
ensure,
and
it
will
pull
in
lots
of
other
updates
on
top
of
that
right.
So
so
I
did
a
little
bit
of
looking
into
this
and
I
found
this.
E
This
dependable,
which
will
which
is
essentially
it,
does
exactly
that
it
will
just
simply
go
through
and
push
PRS
and
for
basically,
this
is
the
people
that
wrote
this
code.
The
code
is
the
code
for
the
bot
is
all
open
source.
They
actually,
you
know,
have
a
company
around
it
called
depend
about,
but
for
open
source
projects,
it's
free
to
use
it.
You
can
hook
it
up
so
I
liked
it,
because
the
code
was
actually
available.
E
If
we
ever
wanted
to
do
this
ourselves,
we
could
but
it
actually,
if
you
but
two
updates,
that
I
merge,
that
it
pushed
they're
actually
incredibly
detailed
updates
that
include
all
the
changes
from
the
new
dependency,
and
you
know,
including
a
bunch
of
links
of
everything
like
that
as
well.
So
it
seems
like
something
that
was
super
useful
I,
also
like
that
it
just
pushes
the
PRS
and
we
get
a
chance
to
review
them
and
decidedly.
If
we
want
them
or
not.
So
that's
from
anyone
else
seems
good.
A
A
E
Definitely,
in
fact,
let
me
let
me
one
second
here
and
I:
will
I
will
show
I
will
post
a
link
to
to
to
some
of
these
actually
hold
on
in
one
way,
it's
a
little
bit
easier.
Is
this
just
a
sec?
So
here's
an
example
and
I'll
put
it
in
the
chat,
so
people
can
take
a
peek
there's
an
example
of
what
the
Box
proposes
and
what
they
look
like
from
a
pull
request
perspective.
So
it's
actually
the
pull
request
is
super.
Thank
you.
Seeing
up
for
for
sharing
that.
E
F
D
D
A
So
one
question
comes
to
mind:
I
I
took
a
quick
view
of
the
go
of
the
dependency
stuff,
and
perhaps
I
got
this
wrong,
but
does
does
it
only?
Does
it
perform
this
action
for
all
dependencies
or
does
it
only
perform
them?
The
module
ization
specifically
for
for
the
go
project
itself,
with
updating
like
the
the
go
packages
that
aren't
part
of
the
core
SDK
but
are
still
provided
by
by
the
go
team
has
like
extensions,
are.
H
F
Yeah
well,
I
mean
I,
haven't
tested
it,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it
takes
a
dependency
file,
doesn't
matter
which
packages
you
have
and
it
converts
into
the
modular.
So
like
it's
not
just
the
googoo
components.
All
the
packages
will
be
treated
in
different
way.
I
mean
yeah
I'd,
like
the
modular
way,
but
I
haven't
tested
it.
So
I'm
still
waiting
for
official
111
release.
I
don't
want
to
play
the
beta
yeah.
A
E
E
F
It
becomes
obsolete,
so
the
depth,
it
goes
away
with
a
new
approach.
Completely
I
mean
they
have
a
transition,
so
you
can
convert
when
when
that
new
we
go
modular
away,
gets
activated.
It
can't
detect
that
you
have
a
dependency
file,
it
converts
it
into
the
modular
list
and
then
you
from
from
that
point
on
you
use
it
for
you
in
future.
D
D
And
then
we
also
need
to
think
a
little
bit
about
how
bleeding-edge
we
want
to
be
in
terms
of
the
requirement
on
the
go
compilers,
not
everyone
leaps
forward
to
the
newest
version,
the
first
big
it
comes
out
so
I
I
think
this
is
fascinating
and
and
really
interesting.
We
should
definitely
look
at
it,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
probably
gonna
make
a
call
today
and
probably
not
immediately
upon
when
what
eleven
comes
out
will
have
to
sort
of
get
used
to
it
a
bit
first.
Does
that
make
sense,
yeah.
A
B
B
E
It
should
be
so
if
you
submit
a
PR
that
adds
new
dependencies,
that
your
PR
will
include
those
and
then
what
the
dependent
Bob
will
do
is
it
will.
It
will
detect
those
new
ones
or
the
next
time
it
runs,
and
so
it
will
then
check
for
updates
going
forward
to
those
dependencies.
So
so
you
won't
have
to
deal
with
the
updates.
So
does
that
make
sense?
Oh
absolutely.
B
A
Oh
well,
we'll
go
ahead
and
we'll
we
have
a
pretty
big
topic
that
we
we
want
to
jump
on.
Top
of
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
I
give
dependable
a
shot
and
see
how
it
works
and
with
that
I
want
to
push
it
towards
the
draft
of
the
email
proposing
for
the
network
service
mesh
work
group.
So
Edie
you
have
the
floor.
D
Yeah
cool
so
Oh
excellent.
Thank
you
so
much
Lucy
not
much
appreciated.
So
basically,
there's
been
we're
sort
of
ramping
up.
The
suggestion
we
got
from
Signet
working
was
to
seek
to
be
accurate,
working
group
and
apparently
there
is
an
email
that
you
send
to
sort
of
kick
that
process
off,
and
so
I've
been
trying
to
work
together
with
various
folks
to
draft
that
email,
and
I
wanted
to
sort
of
float
it
up
to
the
broader
community,
so
that
folks
could
comment,
and
we
could
take
a
look
at
it.
D
We
can
take
a
quick
look
at
it
here,
but
you
know
it's
also
comment
below
if
you
from
the
link,
so
you
can
definitely
please
go
and
add
comments.
We
would
like
to
send
it
out
sometime
early
next
week,
so
if
folks
could
comment
today
or
over
the
weekend,
that
would
be
super
super
helpful.
If
you
want
to
just
go
ahead
and
scroll
down,
we'll
walk
through
a
little
bit
the
email
and
by
the
way,
much
of
the
pros
here
was
stolen
from
Frederick's
excellent.
What
does
NSM?
D
You
know
document
that
he
wrote
so
you
needed
the
executive
summary.
The
network
service
measures,
a
novel
approach
to
solving
complicated
l-2
and
l-3
use
cases
and
current
eddies
they're
tricky
to
address
assisting
networking
model.
Inspired
by
s,
do
you
know
we
mount
those
concepts
to
l2
and
l3
payloads,
and
this
is
a
request
for
a
kubernetes
working
group
or
on
network
service
mash.
Then
we
sort
of
talked
about
the
problem
right
we
go
through
and
talk
about
the
issues
with.
If
you
know,
telcos,
SPS,
5g,
etc.
D
D
And
then
you
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
you
know
current
generation
assumptions
about
things
that
are
going
on
and
the
you
know
these
assumptions
and
kubernetes
narking
application
work
beautifully
for
existing
app
developers.
You
know
and
should
not
be
changed
in
a
way
that
makes
them
less
useful
for
app
developers,
but.
I
D
Out
those
interpret,
you
super
helpful
to
me
I'm
aware
of
those
use
cases
in
the
generic
sense,
but
I
think
you're
a
lot
closer
to
those
use
cases
that
I
am
okay
but
I
think
that
actually
helps
a
great
deal
making
it
less
telco
focused
because,
especially
since
for
kubernetes
you
know
there
is
a
much
bigger
market
and
enterprise
than
there
is
in
telco.
So
I
think
that's
really
really
good.
The.
C
Other
thing,
too,
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
something
we
want
to
stress.
Is
people
like
Google
and
Amazon
in
Azur
are
basically
locked
down
in
ac-9
infrastructure.
It's
like
their
sea
and
ice
when
you
use
their
infrastructure,
so
you
can't
really
extend
networking
so
with
NSA,
mechanics
and
networking
I'm,
not
quite
sure
to
say
that
or
even
what
is,
even
if
you
want
to
go
into
that
rat
hole.
D
D
D
I
mean
so
this
out
there,
which
is
okay,
so
we
let's
go
back
up
to
the
top
of
the
executive
summary.
So
we
have
this
executive
summary
if
we
were
to
have
keep
the
executive
summary
and
the
if
we
were
to
keep
the
executive
summary
and
the
use
cases,
the
executive
summary
and
then
have
the
references
at
the
end.
What
would
we
want
to
add
to
the
executive
summary
briefly
to
make
it
relatively
complete
because
they
did
there's
their
two
dynamics
at
play
here
right.
D
The
first
dynamic
with
which
both
Kyle
and
Sergei
are
right
about
is
that
people
don't
read
along
emails.
The
second
dynamic,
which
is
also
true,
is
that
they
often
don't
follow
links
from
emails,
and
so
we
want
to
get
the
shortest
possible
thing
in
the
executive.
Summary,
that's
sufficient
and
then
probably
just
drop
to
the
references.
D
D
Things
that
we
need
to
sort
out
is
weird
service.
Mesh
is
going
to
get
really
fascinating,
for
a
lot
of
folks
is
as
we
mature
and
we
settle
out
what
the
API
is,
for
example,
particularly
the
MSM
data
7
communication,
because
you
know
my
guess-
is
that
most
people
will
probably
just
deploy
the
network
service
manager
that
we
provide
to
their
their
committees
cluster,
although
they
are
free
to
write
their
own.
D
But
when
you
talk
about
external
network
service
managers
and
proxy
network
service
managers,
there
are
going
to
be
lots
of
other
people
who
are
going
to
want
to
write
those
and
so
I
think
being
able
to
document
the
architecture
and
the
API
is
involved
as
it.
Matures
also
is
something
that
we
want
to
want
to
call
out
as
a
goal
for
the
working
group.
J
Yeah
and
L
Morten
I
I
was
I'm
struck
with
the
idea
that
what
we
want
to
replicate
is
exactly
the
description
that
they
have
for
current
working
groups,
except
for
a
network
service
mesh
and
and
that
way
becomes
sort
of
a
very
consumable
thing
that
you
know
they've
already
read
for
existing
working
groups
and
I,
think
that
covers
the
scope,
comments
and
and
so
forth.
What
we
well,
when
things
go
what's
out
of
scope,
I
that
sounds
like
a
good
way
to
approach.
It.
Ok,.
D
So
we
can
definitely
take
a
look
at
that
link
at
the
top
to
the
recent
IOT
edge
email.
This
is
the
one
that
was
just
successful
with
the
IOT
edge
working
group
and
they
were
relatively.
You
know
they
were
relatively
unstructured,
which
is
part
of
why
you
know
they
they,
basically,
you
know,
talked
through
okay.
You
know,
we've
got
these
things
going
on.
D
You
know
some
of
those
things
we've
identified
are
this
some
of
the
people
who
are
interested
or
that
and
then
they
didn't
really
talk
a
whole
lot
about
what
they
were
going
to
do
or
the
in
scope
or
out
of
scope.
I
think
those
are
both
excellent
suggestions
and
if
you,
it
sounds
like
you've
seen
more
structured
proposals
that
might
be
good
to
creep
off
of.
Is
that
so.
J
Yeah,
but
not
in
CN,
CF
I
mean
I
started
to
started
to
search
for
that
and
then
realized
I
better
get
back
to
the
screen
I'm
supposed
to
be
looking
at,
but
that's
I
mean
I.
Think
that
would
ultimately
that's
what
people
sort
of
want
in
projects.
You
know
goals
colossal
non
goals
and
you
know
we're
what
we're
gonna
mess
with
and
what
we're
not
and
I
am
so
stealing
the
phrase
colossal
on
goals.
J
That's
what
I
love
I
I
saw
him
write
a
document
anymore
without
putting
one
sentence
about
that.
These,
the
I,
guess
that
the
you
know
the
real
advantage
is,
you
know
to
be
clear
and
and
also
I,
think
the
background
information
should
basically
say
now.
We've
been
meeting
for
two
months
and
and
it's
this,
these
twenty
five
people
and-
and
you
know,
and
here's
our
repo
and
and
stuff
like
that
to
really
show
that
this
is
real.
D
A
D
B
Agree
with
Fred
to
list
the
number
of
affiliations
just
indicates
the
broad
base
we're
building
in
the
community,
but
doesn't
really
imply
how,
because
it's
new
yet-
and
some
of
those
companies
may
not
be
quite
ready
to
to
build
a
strategy
around.
You
know
around.
Oh
this,
this
future
or
end
current
project,
yeah.
D
To
be
really
clear
and
I,
the
reason
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
is
I.
Absolutely
don't
want
to
get
anyone
in
any
trouble.
Right,
you
know,
is
the
way
I
would
phrase
it
is
their
participation
in
the
network
service.
Mass
community
from
you
know
from
you,
know
various
companies,
and
so
just
simply
keep
it.
If.
C
D
Yep
no
I'm
totally
down.
For
that.
My
my
main
point
is:
we
have
sort
of
two
competing
interests,
one
of
which
is
overwhelming.
The
overwhelming
interest
is
not
getting
any
of
it
a
in
trouble
and
then
the
the
at
be
the
second
interest,
which
is
also
large
but
not
overwhelming,
is
we
want
to
show
that
we
have
a
broad
base
of
support,
so
it
sounds
like
I
need
to
go.
D
Take
another
turn
the
crank
on
this
email
to
shorten
it
and
make
it
more
focused
on
goals
colossal,
on
goals,
participation
from
individuals
from
that
kind
of
stuff.
Does
anyone
else
want
to
help
with
the
drafting
process?
I
am
more
than
delighted
to
add
rights
to
people
who
want
to
help
with
the
drafting
process.
D
C
A
D
So
the
good
news
is
the
link
to
this
is
publicly
comment
upon
meeting
anyone
with
a
Lincoln
at
a
comment,
so
the
apnic
asked
was
who
else
would
like
to
help
dropping,
because
such
people
need
to
have
edit
rights.
So
it
sounds
like
I
need
to
add
Tom
to
that
list
and
I'm
delighted
to
do
that.
Anybody
else,
I'm.
A
D
A
D
A
A
Okay-
let's
see
so
we
have
the
cross
factor,
X,
Factor,
CNF.
The
reason
it's
an
X
right
now
is
because
we
don't
know
how
many
numbers
there
will
be
so
that
we
have
a
few
people
from
who
were
not
a
present
last
time
that
I
wanted
to
discuss
about
this
particular
idea
from
especially
from
the
a
from
the
Volk
group,
and
so
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
I
am
hoping
for
that
we
can.
A
A
You
have
some
number
of
cloud
native
function:
heuristics
you
can
follow
that
that
help
you
develop
and
maintain
and
operate
cloud
native
functions,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
doing
is
I've,
been
going
through
the
toe
factor,
app
heuristics
and
in
detail.
So
that
way,
I
can
I
can
either
just
make
sure
that
I,
like
I,
already
have
a
good
understanding.
This
will
factor
app.
A
So
it's
like
it's
review
for
me,
but
I
want
to
to
make
sure
that
I
get
those
finer
points
and
actually
have
a
website
you
can
go
to
for
those
that
are
interested.
So
if
you
type
in
toe
factor
out
into
your
favorite
search
engine,
the
first
hit
should
be
total
factor
that
you
know
factor
apps
websites
and
they
have
a
list.
And
each
of
this
item
there's
a
bit
of
a
discoverability
issue.
A
When
when
they
talk
about
a
particular
topic,
then
they
go
into
full
detail
as
to
what
what
they
really
what
they
really
mean
by
that,
and
so
suppose
that
you
had
someone
like
what
do
they
mean
by
config
store
configuring,
the
environment
and
then
what
do
they
really
mean
by
that
yeah
so
loose
a
it?
Has
the
example
of
soul
factor
that
you
know,
or
they
say
that
they
support
concurrency
and
scale
a
Viking
by
concurrency
like
what
do
they
mean
by
that
now?
A
The
reason
I'm
suggesting
we
don't
go
with
just
chill
factor
app,
that's
vanilla
is
that
the
context
is
significantly
different.
So
the
context
is
around
building
scalable
web
applications
and
what
we're
looking
at
is:
how
do
we
build
scalable
cloud
native
functions
and
ultimately
reach
scalable
cloud
network
services
and
an
edge
and
and
IOT
and
and
so
on,
and
it
may
even
come
to
it
might
even
be
that
we
might
have
pretty
different
in
the
long
run
and
create
different
flavors
of
these
type
of
of
heuristics
but
yeah.
A
What
I
would
like
what
I
would
love
to
see
is
some
work
towards
towards
pushing
on
this,
and
you
know
if
we
can
come
out
if
we
come
in
even
with
just
some
type
of
a
draft
for
the
ons.
Sorry
I
did
not
doing
this.
The
open
source
summit
CNF
get-together
that
we're
having
on
Tuesday
like
I,
think
that
that
would
help
push
the
push
the
community
along.
D
D
I
Watson
I
like
the
idea
as
well
the
12
factor.
One
thing
is
well
factored
game.
It
was
kind
of
harvested
out
of
a
lot
of
pain
from
deploying
and
doing
things
and
it
kind
of
took
the
best
practices
out
with
as
far
as
CNS
being
kind
of
new,
it
seems
like
we're
having
to
draw
from
maybe
Anna
fees
and
other
projects
like
own
app
and
some
of
these
other
projects
for
kind
of
a
base
for
the
best
practices.
A
Yeah,
that's
an
excellent
point
and,
to
be
clear,
the
toy
factor
act
was
was
created
primarily
where
it
was
driven.
I'll,
say
not
not
created,
but
driven
primarily
by
one
of
the
cofounders
of
Heroku,
and
so
they
certainly
had
the
context
to
build
such
a
such
documents
do
a
good
job
with
it,
and
you
know
it's
it's
clear
that
any
one
group
where
new
one
at
this
particular
point
in
this
space
likely
doesn't
have
that
context.
Yet
so
that's
actually
a
really
a
really
good
point.
I
think.
D
Actually
is
even
stronger
argument
for
keeping
the
X
Factor
because
effectively
we're
the
backdrop
really
settled
out
of
okay.
We
out
for
a
lot
of
experience,
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
The,
X,
Factor
CNS
is
trying
to
distill
that
the
experience
as
we
discover
it,
it's
more
of
an
active
process
rather
than
a
codification.
B
I
wonder
I'm
thinking
about
this
and
I'm
thinking
about
like
when
you
try
to
codify
best
practices
and
stuff,
which
is
what
this
is
effort
to
do
and
in
one
of
my
other
lives,
we've
tried
to
do
some
of
that
and-
and
it
gets
to
a
certain
point
sometimes
when
it
gets
controversial.
The
the
issue
with
network
implementing
pieces
of
the
network
is
sometimes
you
have
to
break
rules
that
other
people
think
are
good
practices
and
the
same
thing
goes
with
what
used
to
be
called
embedded
in
IOT.
B
So
we
might
be
care
a
little
bit
careful
about
this
early
in
the
project.
I,
don't
know
you
know,
sitting
down
some
too
many
guidelines,
I'm
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
may
be
creating
more
some
I
I,
don't
know,
I
think,
let's
just
move
toward
toward
the
advantages
of
CNF,
but
not
really
sound
like
we're
dictating
people
how
to
code
their
CNF,
yet
anyway,
we're
just
we're
providing
a
platform
to
make
it
easier
to
build
CNF
I'm,
not
sure.
Yet
we
care
what
is
inside
them.
You
know.
B
A
Think
they're,
I
think
they're
excellent
points
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
was
looking
at
this
is
so
when
I
was
when
I
was
looking
at
early
adoption
of
docker
and
early
adoption
of
kubernetes
and
so
on.
These
type
of
these
type
of
techniques
and
and
so
on,
were
not
very
we're,
not
very
apparent
upfront,
and
it's
like.
Where
should
you
keep
your
configuration,
you
know
and
I've
we're?
We
saw
deployments
range
from
baked
it
into
your
image
down.
A
These
are
the
type
of
benefits
that
were
that
we're
looking
for
and
and
identifying
what
other,
what
other
organizations
or
not
organization
what
other
communities
do
to
solve
some
of
these
issues
and
start
pulling
them
together
like
so,
for
example,
when
you
start
talking
about
ability,
even
those
EMFs
may
have
different
purposes
and
have
different
inputs
and
outputs
from
your
standard,
provector
app,
there's
still
only
a
limited
way
to
scale
things
out.
You
either
scale
vertically
or
you
scale
horizontally,
or
you
make
your
process
that
much
more
efficient.
A
It's
been
a
tough,
a
crap
site
as
well
like
total
factor,
app,
considers
everything
to
be
a
resource
and
prefers
support
binding
and
we
are
the
port
binding,
and
so
it's
so
some
of
them
start
to
to
fall
apart
in
that
particular
area
and
coming
up
with
what,
with
the
organizational
structure
of
such
a
set
of
heuristics
would
look
like,
and
where
do
we
draw
the
line?
I
think
it's
gonna
be.
A
We
have
to
be
very
careful
with
that,
assuming
that
we
decide
to
proceed
in
this
direction
at
all
and
just
be
very
sensitive
to
the
diversity
of
the
community,
because
I
also
think
this
community
is
is
going
to
be
even
though
it's
gonna
be
a
smaller
community.
He's
going
to
be
a
much
more
diverse
community,
then
the
type
of
applications
that
you
generally
see
in
in
the
standard
and
a
cofactor
app
world.
You
know
in
diversity,
in
the
sense
of
technologies,
the
technologies
that
we
use
in
the
ways
we
communicate.
A
A
A
Ask
other
people
to
contribute
and
then
in
time
and
you're
down
the
line,
two
years
down
the
line
etc,
which
continue
to
refine
and
saying
these
are
the
best
practices
that
we
found,
and
here
are
the
problems
that
we
found
and
then
we
can
eventually
come
up
with
something
that
says
this
is
how
we
build.
You
know
you're
you're,
a
newcomer.
This
is
how
you
or
your
new
employee,
of
one
of
these
companies.
This
is
how
you
built
so.
A
A
There
have
been
issues
with
this
REO
V,
you
actually
posted
something
on
the
IRC
channel,
so
I
will
copy
and
paste
that,
but
unfortunately,
the
standard
bills
or
configurations
of
the
packet
net
do
not
like
they.
They
show
that
I
that
s
RR
io
v
is
there,
but
he
cannot
actually
create
any
VF
s
out
of
them
and
so.
D
D
K
D
So
one
of
the
thing
that
I
got
Michael
and
I
confused
for
days
was
we
did
we
try
and
bind
to
the
bf,
and
we
would
see
a
colonel
interface
for
both
of
me
up
in
the
PF,
and
we
were
sure
that
something
was
wrong
and
I
reached
out
to
some
friends
at
Mellanox.
They're
like
no
here
is
linked
to
explanation
of
the
fact
that
this
is
a
real
thing.
K
I'm
able
to
get
and
the
virtual
interfaces
to
show
up
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
other
settings.
So
it's
besides
what
type
of
packet
server
you're
on
and
it
may
or
may
not
be
enabled
in
grub.
So
you
may
need
to
do
that
and
then
a
lot
of
items
make
sure
you're
not
on
an
AMD
machine.
You
got
everything
else
right,
and
that
may
be
the
case
and
that
doesn't
work
so.
A
But
they're
not
willing
to
they're,
not
either
willing
or
able
I
would
not
can't
tell
the
difference
at
this
point
to
set
BIOS
parameters
when
you
spin
up
an
on-demand
system.
So
if
the
lowest
cost
option
supports
just
r
io
v,
then
what
option
that
we
have
is
to
provision
a
couple
of
those
I
think
there
were
in
at
$50
a
month.
So
it's
not
not
too
bad,
and
we
essentially
reserve
those
for
the
use
of
of
are
absolutely
testing.
I.
D
Know
one
of
the
things
also
is
apparently
the
Intel
NICs
work,
much
more
I,
don't
know
if
it's
that
Intel
makes
work
better
for
this
purpose
or
that
more
people
are
familiar
with
how
to
make
them
work.
It's
a
little
hard
to
tell,
but
I
do
know
that
there
that
we
have
people
who
know
how
to
achieve
success
with
sorry,
okay
with
Intel
X,
and
so
if
we
were
going
to
stand
up,
you
know
dedicated
boxes
for
some
reason.
I
do
know
the
right
people
to
petition
for
donation
of
NYX.
A
Nice
and
that's
something
that
that
the
packet
net
people
have
told
me
is
that
they
do
have
the
capability
to
stand
up
hardware
for
us,
and
if
we
can
get
them
Nick
cards,
they
should
be
able
to
drop
them
in
as
well.
So,
of
course,
we
want
to
verify
this
more
formally
before
we
were
to
perform
some
form
of
a
transfer.
But
initial
discussions
sounds
like
we
can
like
special
hardware
in
yeah.
D
D
You
know
the
various
you
know
or
their
various
points
that
need
to
take
action,
whether
it's
Mellanox
or
a
DVD,
K
or
V,
V,
P
or
whatever,
to
make
sure
that
these
Mellanox
necks
are
supported
it
as
well,
because
they
are
pretty
common
and
pretty
popular
next
I
know
that
VPP
does
really
well
with
the
Kinect
x5,
but
I
have
very
sketchy
reports
actually
have
no
reports
of
the
miss
stuff
here,
even
packet
about
working
with
kinetics
for
kinetics
three,
because
the
the
people
really
really
interested
or
mostly
interested
in
connecting
five.
You.
A
Know
one
thing
that
would
be
good
to
know
as
well
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we
have
time
to
get
into
this
right
now,
because
we
have
about
nine
minutes
left
but
but
to
be
understand
why
they
prefer
five
over
three
and
four,
and
so
that
way,
when
we
go
it'll
help
not
only
with
our
understanding
and
terms
of
network
service,
mash
and
and
implementation,
but
also
it's
data.
We
can
take
to
groups
like
packet
on
that
and
say
why
is
connected
I've
so
important.
A
B
A
Know
it's
that
way
we
can.
We
can
discuss
and
and
maybe
even
demo,
to
people
who
who
asked
about
it
on
the
fly
but
yeah
and
I'll
see
about
I'll,
see
if
I
can
get
the
some
details
from
from
me
and
about
whether
or
not
the
the
low-cost
option
with
our
Intel
NEX
would
be
good
enough
to
just
demonstrate
yes,
Ari,
yes,
ROV
side.
K
If,
if
we
can
use
the
c
NX,
for
probably
the
c
to
medium,
is
the
best
choice.
The
main
issue
that
we
saw
was
the
network
setup
if
you're
gonna
have
more
than
one
node.
So
it's
looked
like
in
the
bias
of
the
c
to
medium
and
m2x
large.
Those
are
the
ones
with
CN
explore.
It
was
already
enabled
the
network
connection
of
though,
if
you
have,
if
you
spin
up
two
different
nodes
and
you're
wanting
them
to
talk,
doesn't
it's
not
set
up
in
a
way?
That's
gonna
be
highly
performant.
D
I
traveled
a
little
bit
with
some
of
the
folks
of
packet,
and
apparently
there
is
some
knobs
somewhere
that
you
can
twist
in
order
to
get
your
servers,
because
every
server
has
to
mix
coming
in
by
default.
They
port
binding
them
and
they
do
all
their
network.
You
know
free.
There
are
things
that
you
can
do
to
uncork
bind
them.
There
are
knobs
for
that
and
then
have
one
of
them
be
your
normal
l3
interface
and
the
other
one
be
an
interface
into
an
l2
domain
of
some
kind.
B
D
I
am
absolutely
not
convinced
yet
that
it
isn't
a
problem
of
familiarity
at
this
stage.
Right,
which
is
you
know
with
all
of
these
SRA
movie
things.
There
are
the
magical
incantations
you
do
to
make
them
work
yes,
so
happens
that
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
people
are
very
familiar
with
those
incantations
for
the
Intel
mix
and
I
have
a
lot
of
trouble.
D
Finding
people
who
are
familiar
with
them
for
the
Mellanox
necks
and
released
the
ml,
X,
3
and
I'm
like
since
4
I
do
have
people
are
familiar
with
ml,
X,
5
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
really
clear
that
it
could
just
be.
We
haven't
figured
out
what
all
the
magic
incantations
are,
and
maybe
you
have
to
sacrifice
a
sheep
instead
of
a
goat
where
you
want
to
get
back
snakes
to
work,
I
don't
know
so.
A
With
with
your
contacts
and
Mellanox,
do
you
think,
because
they
have
to
have
some
form
of
CI
testing
around
this
or
the
hardware
equivalent
of
it
I?
Do
you
think
that
they
could
potentially
give
us
a
little
bit
of
someone's
time
in
order
to
work
out?
If
we
have
our
match
incantation,
correct,
oh
I,.
D
Can
reach
out
again
I've
reached
out
to
them
previously
through
a
couple
of
different
channels?
I
can
reach
out
again
through
a
couple
of
different
channels.
Let's
say
look
you
know.
We
now
have
two
communities
here
that
are
going
to
be
crucial
to
you:
network
service
match
and
the
VNS
comparison
or
both
stock,
and
it
behooves
us
to
get
unstuck.
D
A
K
Jacob
Edie
packets
been
very
helpful
and
responsive
to
all
the
issues
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
cns
comparison
project
as
well
as
cross
cloud.
Ci
and
IDI
also
is
very
involved
on
the
the
cross
cloud
CI
stuff,
so
I'll
reach
out
to
them
and
and
ask
maybe
about
the
CN
x5
another
doing
updates
there
and
if
there's
other
questions,
I'm
happy
to
talk
with
them
about
it.
I
do.
D
G
A
G
A
G
A
In
time
we'll
we'll
work
out
once
we
stabilize
we'll
work
out
how
to
get
stable
versions
onto
onto
the
docker
hub.
So
that
way
you
can
stick
a
specific
version
and
not
complete
the
latest
bleeding-edge,
but
for
now
it's
it's
going
to
be
master
master
2
to
the
head
of
the
docker
hub
images
for
for
this
moment.
So
just
just
be
aware
of
that,
but
not
expecting
to
cause
major
issues
at
this
point,
but
it
is
a
moving
target
with
that
I
is
there?
A
With
both
ed
and
Jacob
a
little
bit
but
I
think
we
good
it'd
be
good
to
ask
again
to
see
if
there's
good
has
been
a
little
while
since
we've
asked,
and
so
with
that,
thank
you,
everyone
for
for
attending
and
as
always
we're
available
on
IRC
and
that
service
miss
channel.
You
can
also
send
this
email
on
to
the
network
service,
fish
groups
and
we'll
see
we'll
see
you
all
next
week.