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CNCF SIG Network 2020-02-20
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It
should
be
there's
one
caveat:
there's
some
users
they're
using
contour
that
are
no
willing
to
speak
about
it.
Publicly
I'm
gonna
have
to
figure
out,
you
know
either
you
guys
would
trust
us
I
want
to
say
leading
financial
institution
they're
using
it,
or
we
might
have
to
set
up
some
private
meeting
for
them
to
disclose
that
to
you,
ingress
is
one
of
those
things
that
people
are
trying
to
guard
fairly.
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By
the
way,
since
you
haven't
started
yet
I
have
a
quick
question
for
Matt,
Klein
and
Amy.
So
when
we
basically
push
contour
for
donation,
we
had
three
sponsors,
Alexis,
Matt
and
Joe
beta,
and
we
started
the
process
it.
You
know
we
did
the
TOC
presentation
and
now
it's
in
sig
review.
Are
we
gonna,
be
forced
to
go
back
and
find
new
sponsors
now
that
the
other
folks
are
no
longer
in
the
scene?
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I
mean
I,
wouldn't.
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Another,
a
short
call,
I
suspect,
which
is
probably
good
thing,
so
the
other
project,
that's
under
review
or
up
for
proposal
currently
is
service
fashion
interface,
SMI
I,
believe
we
are
in
context
of
sig
network
I,
believe
we're
done.
There.
I
think
we
for
those
that
were
on
the
call
when
I
proposed
we
did
the
gave
them
the
commensurate
questioning
questions
and
facilitated
good
point
pointing
over
to
PR
the
same
due
diligence.
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Template
isn't
necessary
for
SMI,
as
there
can
be
factoring
to
come
in
at
a
sandbox
level
and,
as
such,
I
think
did
the
most
important
criteria.
There
is
toc-toc
member
or
sponsorship,
so
the
the
link
to
the
PR
is
in
the
meeting
minutes
and
on
the
PR
I
believe
we've
got
Matt
as
a
as
a
you
know.
A
volunteer
sponsor
I
believe
Jeff
Brewer
as
a
second
and
so
Jeff
continues.
Jeff
is
with
all
the
TLC
change
up.
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Jeff
is
still
on
the
TX
wrecked,
which
is,
and
then
I
think
the
third
and
fourth
were
not
sure.
If
they're
open
question
marks
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
Michelle
and
Brandon
being
coming
from
the
I,
don't
know
in
terms
of
those
who
coming
from
Microsoft
kind
of
the
the
parent
company
of
the
project,
if
you
know.
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You
one
looking
to
have
a
conversation,
I
suppose
Matt,
maybe
with
Liz
or
with
the
TOC
at
large,
about
the
proposals
for
patterns
and
architecture
that
we
spoke
of
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
that
those
are
service
master
centric
in
nature,
which
is
fine.
There's
a
there's
a
lot
to
go
through
in
there,
but
I
think.
The
way
in
which
it's
couched
is
that
it
would
be
much
broader
for
all
cloud
native
architecture
and
patterns
which
which
I
don't
know,
is
that
any
any
particular
working
group
could
chew
through
that?
That
seems
pretty
gnarly.
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Oh,
it's,
you
have
a
lot
of
those
folks
and
but
they
seem
to
be
dry,
drawing
from
some
of
the
concepts
from
the
TOC
these
cloud
native
definition.
So
things
like
you,
know,
loosely
coupled
immutable
infrastructure
or
not.
Those
are
some
of
the
aspects
in
the
tox
definition
of
cloud
native
well
and
they're,
they're
generally
motherhood
and
apple
pie.
But
how
do
you
sort
of
project
those
down
into
a
different
domain
as
an
interesting
question?
Yeah.
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Another
yeah
on
this
particular
on
this
set
of
this
paper,
this
these
topics-
I
know
Dan
Khan,
has
I
think
helped
facilitate
the
some
of
this
work.
So
just
another
rent.
Another
touch
point.
This
is
also
someone
random
and
happenstance
that
the
individual
that
raised
up
this
question,
w
Watson,
who
was
on
last
the
call
that
we
had
had
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
think
he'll
actually
be
at
tonight's
meet
up,
and
so.
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Seems
like
there
there
could
be
some
I,
don't
know
that
recaps
and
some
casting
or
some
characterization
of
one
versus
the
next
and
helping
one
of
helping
each
of
them
lean
into
slightly
different
verticals.
If
you
will
or
slightly
different
layers,
maybe
it's
the
other
way
of
putting
it
and
ask
it
may
be
seeking
out
whether
or
not
there's
a
desire
to
collate
these
coalesced
knees
into
it.
A
Would
certainly
be
coalescing
is
possible,
that's
certainly
lovely.
You
know
it's
one
of
these
things
where
every
team
lee
said.
That's
another
thing
you
better
venues
to
Mindless
divergence
is
bad,
but
if
you
actually
are
dealing
with
the
problem
spaces
that
are
different
enough,
that
the
solutions
need
to
be
expressed
differently,
then
that's
perfectly
fine,
but
you
kind
of
figure
that
out
by
talking
to
each
other
yeah.
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So
so
mad,
if
you,
unless
you
have
different
thoughts
here
and
then
I-
think
the
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
do
is
gain
a
an
audience
with
Liz
who's
been
involved
in
the
other
suggestions.
Around
patterns
and
I
forget
what
it's
called,
but
the
the
ones
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier
from
Paul
bar
and
sure
I'm
too,
to
come
to
understand
whether
or
not
she'd
had
an
appetite
it
sounded
like
she'd
had
an
appetite
for
that
effort
to
be
not
just
I'm
cloud
native
networking,
but
cloud
native,
the
whole
kit
and
caboodle
yeah.
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I
mean
why
don't
we
talk
to
Liz
I'm
gonna,
be
honest
and
saying
that
I
don't
really
have
any
experience
producing
these
types
of
white
papers,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what
people
are
looking
for
and
and
the
right
process
by
which
we
will
find
resources
to
go
and
do
it
for
project
management.
Perspective
like
I,
said
before.
I
would
rather
see
us
start
small
and
targeted
and
do
something
that
covers
like
we're
saying
before
our
PC
and
pub/sub
and
maybe
service
fish.
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Yeah
I
totally
agree
that
there
is
a
need
to
cross
the
giant
thing,
but
that
that
would
need
to
be
its
own
sig
and
then
with
many
sub
working
groups.
I
would
think
that,
because
because
I
would
just
be
a,
there
was
at
one
point:
Dan
Khan
was
hosting
a
CNC
F
reference
architecture,
discussion,
I,
think
every
couple
of
weeks
once
a
month
and
part
of
that
was
a
reflection
and
refinement
of
the
CNC,
f
landscape
and
just
solicitation
of
opinions
from
those
that
those
that
would
attend.
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I
mean
very
much
like
the
notion
of
breaking
down
all
the
small
pieces.
I
think
trying
to
boil
the
whole
world
is,
in
addition
to
being
relatively
futile,
almost
guaranteed
to
produce
a
radically
suboptimal
outcome.
Well,
the
one
thing
I
would
say
that
we
might
be
helpful
is
to
have
enough
interaction
with
folks
to
help
because
I'm
also
with
you
man,
I'm
very
much
on
Team
I,
don't
even
I,
don't
read
white
papers,
I,
don't
write
them.
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Talking
to
them,
they're
fantastic
people
yeah,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
read
things
that
I.
Don't
I
understand
that
why
papers
are
very
important
for
people.
I
understand.
Academic
papers
are
very
important
for
other
people.
Neither
of
them
are
subjectively
important
to
me,
but
that
doesn't
mean
they're,
not
important.
Yeah
yeah.
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You
know
actually
I
just
since
we're
talking
about
this
I
think
that
there
is
just
even
to
the
extent
that
that
they
normalize
nomenclature
so
that
we
can
conversations
can
be
hastened
and
facilitated
through
a
common
use
of
a
word
or
descriptor
is
helpful.
I
didn't
post
into
a
chat
and
into
the
meeting
minutes
an
example
of
the
work
that
we
had
done
within
the
service
working
group
and
the
production
of
a
white
paper.
There.
D
There
was
a
parallel
or
a
corollary,
serverless
sub
landscape
or
a
sub
landscape
or
service
that
was
kind
of
part
and
parcel
to
the
creation
of
this
white
paper
as
well.
So
just
as
something
to
reference
in
terms
of
like
what
that
might
look
like
when
it
comes
out.
Mm-Hmm
and
Colin
I
yeah,
the
you
humanly
agree
with
Matt
in
terms
of
pub/sub
being
inclusive
to
that,
and
and
also
being
refreshingly
specific
vertical
to
to
actually
gain
traction
on,
get
something
down
on
and.
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Haylie
thanks
for
that,
so
my
name
is
Naveen.
I
work
for
a
telco
software
provider,
I
moved
from
so
a
lot
of
what
you
guys
are
talking
about.
It's
kind
of
relevant
to
me,
but
I'm.
Also
new
to
the
telco
world.
I
came
from
the
enterprise
because
they're
trying
to
do
containers,
I
work
for
a
company
called
mavin
ear,
which
is
very
small
lyrics
and
if
you
think
about
it
and
I,
hear
a
lot
of
things
in
the
tug
and
I
figured
I'll
hop
on
and
see
what
you
guys
talk
about
here.
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Or
Matt
others
anything
that
we
missed
doing
I,
don't
think
so
we
did
one
other
item
that
just
came
to
mind
was
there
was
a
couple
of
other
groups
that
we
want
to
intentionally
liaised
with
that,
for
my
part,
I've
done
a
bad
job
of
requesting
them
to
come
and
give
an
update
on
activities
within
there.
Those
groups
I
think
I,
UDP
UDP
a
is,
is
one
of
those
I
think
the
tug
is
another
one
of
those.